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AbrahamG

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2025, 06:17:44 PM »
I did both moderna and pfizer and have been double dipping on boosters. i am up to 14 right now and unless someone cuts me off or stops me I will keep getting them until I can't.

I've had more than that.  The first two years, I used my fake ID (the one that I use to vote multiple times) to double dip.  Next month will be my 20th shot or 18th boost. 

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2025, 08:02:32 PM »
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u r quite the blowtard.

can any of your ancestry b traced back to india, at all?

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2025, 08:15:06 PM »
ya my readings are also 2 points higher on waking

i can keep my A!C in the 6.5 range which Im happy with considering it was 12.5 4 months ago
When I train super heavy and do a reading say an hour after its rocket high--as high as 11
when i do lighter training with cardio it can shootu p to 8 but i can get it back into the 6s pretty quick
when i do only cardio its very good and i have had it down to 5.5

zero doubt heavy training shoots it way up
You get a high reading after working out because your body has been mobilizing glucose stores to supply you with energy. Its not anything to be concerned about.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #53 on: Today at 03:48:29 AM »
u r quite the blowtard.

can any of your ancestry b traced back to india, at all?

I do have a bindi

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #54 on: Today at 04:16:14 AM »
I've had more than that.  The first two years, I used my fake ID (the one that I use to vote multiple times) to double dip.  Next month will be my 20th shot or 18th boost.

Mind blowing retardation. Fucking hell how scared are you of a flu?

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #55 on: Today at 04:19:59 AM »
I did both moderna and pfizer and have been double dipping on boosters. i am up to 14 right now and unless someone cuts me off or stops me I will keep getting them until I can't.

True to your name retard.

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« Reply #56 on: Today at 04:22:50 AM »
I've had more than that.  The first two years, I used my fake ID (the one that I use to vote multiple times) to double dip.  Next month will be my 20th shot or 18th boost. 

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« Reply #57 on: Today at 04:23:26 AM »
Mind blowing retardation. Fucking hell how scared are you of a flu?

Are you autistic? this feels like projection.

We are joking obviously ffs. Ya man he used his fake id which he used to vote fraudulently to horde vaccine shots in his anus.

Just in case you still don't understand whats going on here, I have one shot as I had to for work.


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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #58 on: Today at 04:25:12 AM »
I am just trying to be helpful here, I am a doc, while no endocrinologist this stuff and particularly neuropsychiatric stuff is my bread and butter (cause I am insane and work out :D). I say that just so I dont have to be posting 20 pubmed links as I am lazy and currently doing a teaching rotation  ;D

It can elevate cortisol quite acutely, it's well documented. So much so that it can cause impaired memory and learning. Which is likely related to cortisols effect on the hippocampus.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8957269/

Weight lifting is a hormetic stressor- technically damaging (so are fruits and veggies actually) but the response of the body is beneficial, only if and thats a big if, the allostatic load of the system can get back to allostasis. Heavy weights increase neural drive and recruitment and a higher HPA response because of the intensity.

His system with type 2 has systemic inflammation- its the likely cause of type 2 and most diseases- basically resistance causes oxidative stress and myokine/cytokine responses. The liver struggles to handle the load as well and that leads to all kinds of pro-inflammatory mediators being released into the system. Over time it worsens and beta cells begin to fail from oxidation amongst other things and you get type 2.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22252015/

you generally see higher crp, tnfa and nuclear factor kappa beta activation in type 2.

You are correct on the supplement, I was just fucking about.

What is likely going on here is he is lifting heavy, causing stress to the system which is already in overdrive, cortisol is released to dampen things, he has insulin resistance which cortisol is exacerbating leading to more insulin release then needed hence the fatigue and feeling shitty. There is likely a counter release of glucagon which does some odd shit to the body as well.

Oh, so you wanna get into a pubmed posting war, huh?   ;D

I can totally agree with the acute spike of cortisol, but again so many make cortisol out to be worse than agent smith.  Yes, the heavy lifting can elevate it because the HPA axis thinks we’re trying to not get Clegged. We can agree that in a healthy system, that’s adaptive: cortisol mobilizes glucose and fats, then insulin cleans up the mess.

For Josh's type 2, the “cleanup crew” is on strike. What is interesting (and confusing to me) is that he is using metformin and berberine and shouldn't be getting this kind of spiking (safe assumption).  I will admit that I am not highly knowledgable about the drug side of things. Could it be that with the low carb and then meds, his pancreas is still trying to pump out insulin, while glucagon is acting like DJ181818181??

HArd to argue that resistance training is not still the best way to fix the mess—it as it will improve insulin sensitivity and "lowers" inflammation—but in the short term the hormonal rollercoaster is a bit rougher when the system’s already overloaded.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #59 on: Today at 04:27:51 AM »
Are you autistic? this feels like projection.

We are joking obviously ffs. Ya man he used his fake id which he used to vote fraudulently to horde vaccine shots in his anus.

Just in case you still don't understand whats going on here, I have one shot as I had to for work.

Must be then.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #60 on: Today at 04:28:56 AM »
Berberine has far better evidence and actually works for other things. However, he is already on an AMPK activator so the overlap would be moot for the most part.

Shit, acetic acid has better evidence then those items.

Also, have you heard of the dawn phenomenon? even normal cortisol release can exacerbate glucose levels and cause normal gluconeogenesis in the liver to be problematic.

Wouldn't the berberine + metformin control dawn phenomenon by slowing down the liver’s “sugar dump.” Obviously the dose of the two, carb intake, and timing matter, but thats why I was suggesting tracking glucose to make sure he's not fixing the dawn rise by creating problems later.  Again, When it comes to pharms...thats not my forte'.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #61 on: Today at 04:34:07 AM »
" oatmeal with protein powder and 2 eggs
protein shake
chicken andbeef on brown rice and veggies (EDO)
protein bar
chicken breast 2 pieces of carbonaut seeded bread
protein shake
50 grams protein of ground beef sometimes with a salad
protein bar
4 whole eggs 3 whites cheese omelette
maybe another protein shake

l carnitine preworkout
electrolytes/creatine during workout
15 grams creatine spread out"

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What's in the protein shakes and bars?  Any carbs?
Finely powdered whey can spike glucose levels and thus insulin levels.
Excess protein also gets converted to glucose.
No need to eat 300+ g of protein a day.

Type 2 is an indication of insulin resistance.

Hope you took the time to watch the video I posted above.

I think the whey protein thing has to be taken in context....when comparing fast-absorbing whey isolate or hydrolysate with casein, yes...whey will raise BS.  I don't think there is any product called 'coarse' whey protein.  Where did you see this with "fine powdered"?

Also, to clarify...protein doesn't get converted to glucose.  SOME amino acids are gluconeogenic...while others are ketogenic.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #62 on: Today at 04:37:58 AM »
I did both moderna and pfizer and have been double dipping on boosters. i am up to 14 right now and unless someone cuts me off or stops me I will keep getting them until I can't.

Rookie numbers...  ;D

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #63 on: Today at 04:40:33 AM »
Wouldn't the berberine + metformin control dawn phenomenon by slowing down the liver’s “sugar dump.” Obviously the dose of the two, carb intake, and timing matter, but thats why I was suggesting tracking glucose to make sure he's not fixing the dawn rise by creating problems later.  Again, When it comes to pharms...thats not my forte'.

It should but it would depend on the severity of the type 2 and the normal cortisol spike in the am that blunts insulins action. Metformin mostly acts through ampk and so does berberine, there are other mechanisms but hitting other pathways may be the best way to combat it.

I don't know if its the case but I think acetic acid (apple cider vinegar) before bed might help as well.

If he could lose weight the dawn phenomenon shouldn't be an issue mostly.

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Re: Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights
« Reply #64 on: Today at 04:48:42 AM »
It should but it would depend on the severity of the type 2 and the normal cortisol spike in the am that blunts insulins action. Metformin mostly acts through ampk and so does berberine, there are other mechanisms but hitting other pathways may be the best way to combat it.

I don't know if its the case but I think acetic acid (apple cider vinegar) before bed might help as well.

If he could lose weight the dawn phenomenon shouldn't be an issue mostly.

Side question, not to derail Josh's thins, but what are your thoughts on a small carb meal before bed.  Been reading more on producing tryptophan and melatonin before bed helps.  I am not a big fan on exogenous consumption of melatonin.  Currently I do about 150gm of cottage cheese with a slice of bread and a blend of frozen tart cherry mixed with some magnesium, GABA, and l-theonine