Glucose Taking a Beating From Weights

[CalorieKing]

I was diagnosed type 2 7 months or so ago. Took me 3 months to get it back to normal readings and kept them there, until,....I started lifting really heavy (for me) again and consistently see massive spikes and feel like fuking trash for a few hours after training. Im absolutely loving lifting heavy but at what point do I take my type 2 into consideration and train more suited for that?

Why does high intensity exercise cause a glucose spike?
During high intensity exercise, the body requires more energy to fuel the muscles. To meet these demands, the liver breaks down stored glycogen into glucose, which is then released into the bloodstream. The glucose spike occurs as a result of this process, as the body releases more glucose than is needed for the activity.

Furthermore, high intensity exercise can cause the release of stress hormones, such as adrenaline and cortisol. These hormones trigger a response in the liver to release more glucose into the bloodstream, further contributing to the spike in glucose levels.

It's important to note that these high blood glucose levels are generally temporary and not harmful for most individuals. However, for those with diabetes or at risk of developing the condition, it's essential to monitor blood sugar levels and consult with a healthcare professional before starting a high intensity exercise program.

[IroNat]

Interesting.
How many carbs are you eating on a daily basis?
I feel pretty trashed after training heavy myself so that's pretty normal to me (age 67).
Usually, I train about an hour after waking and having a mug of coffee with halfnhalf.
Eat first meal between 10-12noon.
I don't eat many carbs except on weekends.

[CalorieKing]

Interesting.
How many carbs are you eating on a daily basis?
I feel pretty trashed after training heavy myself so that's pretty normal to me (age 67).
Usually, I train about an hour after waking and having a mug of coffee with halfnhalf.
Eat first meal between 10-12noon.
I don't eat many carbs except on weekends.

Id ballpark it in the 120 grams per day range

[IroNat]

Id ballpark it in the 120 grams per day range

Cure Type 2 naturally...

[Van_Bilderass]

I doubt 'heavy lifting' has negative effects on diabetes in the longer run? At least I never heard of that... I don't know how relevant transient spikes are if at all

[CalorieKing]

I doubt 'heavy lifting' has negative effects on diabetes in the longer run? At least I never heard of that... I don't know how relevant transient spikes are if at all

ya i dont think it does at all, i have no doubt it spikes it up for a few hours, but not long run

i need to suck it up and take my carbs down to 50g or so per day

[NaturalWonder83]

Has your doctor or have you done any changes with your fat intake?

I had recently learned that for some people, dietary fats can mess with insulin resistance.

I had dealt with bad blood sugar issues for a long time…but once I lowered/severely limited dietary fats, my body feels so much better.

Just curious your opinion on this?

[Van_Bilderass]

ya i dont think it does at all, i have no doubt it spikes it up for a few hours, but not long run

i need to suck it up and take my carbs down to 50g or so per day

I'd be curious what effect actually having some quick-ish carbs before the workout might have on your glucose spikes, drops etc I just had the wild thought that some carbs might blunt the adrenaline/cortisol from hard training but I might be totally wrong... I'm in the camp who doesn't think carbs/insulin are evil even for diabetics. I mean the glp-1 drugs which help with insulin sensitivity and glucose control in diabetics actually increase insulin if diabetic when glucose gets high, yet weight goes down.

Were you prescribed Metformin or something else? Did you take them?

[CalorieKing]

I'd be curious what effect actually having some quick-ish carbs before the workout might have on your glucose spikes, drops etc I just had the wild thought that some carbs might blunt the adrenaline/cortisol from hard training but I might be totally wrong... I'm in the camp who doesn't think carbs/insulin are evil even for diabetics. I mean the glp-1 drugs which help with insulin sensitivity and glucose control in diabetics actually increase insulin if diabetic when glucose gets high, yet weight goes down.

Were you prescribed Metformin or something else? Did you take them?

ya im on 500mg metformin 2s day and have never missed it once

i know how to get it back into the correct range, i did it fast before and can do it again, i just need to stop fucking around in the food department
think ill stay on the heavy weights and drop the carbs wayyyy down

[CalorieKing]

Has your doctor or have you done any changes with your fat intake?

I had recently learned that for some people, dietary fats can mess with insulin resistance.

I had dealt with bad blood sugar issues for a long time…but once I lowered/severely limited dietary fats, my body feels so much better.

Just curious your opinion on this?

doctor didnt do anything and i never really thought about the fats
i have mct oil and fish oil, food fat i guess mostly comes from red meat

[Krankenstein]

ya i dont think it does at all, i have no doubt it spikes it up for a few hours, but not long run

i need to suck it up and take my carbs down to 50g or so per day

I don't think that would be smart to go that low.

1) How many carbs are taking prior to training?
2) What do you eat post workout?

[CalorieKing]

I don't think that would be smart to go that low.

1) How many carbs are taking prior to training?
2) What do you eat post workout?

i eat a small amount of oatmeal mixed with about 40 grams protein powder
post workout chicken/beef with small amount brown rice and veggies

[Van_Bilderass]

i eat a small amount of oatmeal mixed with about 40 grams protein powder
post workout chicken/beef with small amount brown rice and veggies

Not saying it's good or bad but I get the worst "sugar crashes" from whey shakes

[Lartinos]

I like the idea to experiment with lower carbs.

Maybe R-Ala or Berberine could be an option too.

[CalorieKing]

I like the idea to experiment with lower carbs.

Maybe R-Ala or Berberine could be an option too.

ooo good reminder i took berberine right after i got diagnosed and it probably helped lower my A1C so fast

[Griffith]

Alpha Lipoic Acid can reduce blood sugar levels.

L-Cysteine (NAC) as well.

[Van_Bilderass]

Alpha Lipoic Acid can reduce blood sugar levels.

L-Cysteine (NAC) as well.

ALA could theoretically improve insulin action on the cells making it work more effectively. For lowering glucose it doesn't seem very effective though. It's prescribed in Germany for example to diabetics to hopefully reduce diabetic nerve damage and symptoms.

If I didn't have pancreatitis I personally would get on a glp-1 like retatrutide to increase insulin sensitivity among other things. Like I said these actually increase insulin levels if there is a "need" without worsening sensitivity.

I was reading about a supp for bodybuilders which promises to increase glucose disposal by increasing insulin levels without worsening sensitivity and without hindering muscle growth as apparently PPAR agonism can do.

This is a sales page obviously but it explains some mechanisms in the write-up of some GDA (glucose dispoal agent) ingredients popular in the supp world. For nerdy guys LOL

https://masupps.com/product/insuligen/

[Krankenstein]

i eat a small amount of oatmeal mixed with about 40 grams protein powder
post workout chicken/beef with small amount brown rice and veggies

Here's what I would look at.  Testing blood sugar at various times.

1) Immediate after training
2) Immediate after the PW meal
3) 30 min after
4) 60 min after

someone already suggested but alpha lipoic acid supposedly helps....also the ol' chromium POLYnicotinate

[Necrosis]

You need to go keto my guy or get on a better drug.

The weights are jacking up your cortisol most likely and that is causing insulin resistance. It's also frying your nervous system if you are going heavy which is coping with increased demand from glycation.

Keto is the solution.

[Humble Narcissist]

Steak & eggs diet will cure all your ills.

[CalorieKing]

You need to go keto my guy or get on a better drug.

The weights are jacking up your cortisol most likely and that is causing insulin resistance. It's also frying your nervous system if you are going heavy which is coping with increased demand from glycation.

Keto is the solution.

Im not a fan of keto so i think im gonna lift lighter and lower carbs

Love lifting heavy bit it really fucks me up

[Necrosis]

Im not a fan of keto so i think im gonna lift lighter and lower carbs

Love lifting heavy bit it really fucks me up

you need to add in some HIT as well then.


Why dont you like keto?

Resistant starches would work as well.

[CalorieKing]

you need to add in some HIT as well then.


Why dont you like keto?

Resistant starches would work as well.

i like the odd carbs once in a while and just simply have no desire to do keto,...i can admit im not disciplined enough

[Krankenstein]

You need to go keto my guy or get on a better drug.

The weights are jacking up your cortisol most likely and that is causing insulin resistance. It's also frying your nervous system if you are going heavy which is coping with increased demand from glycation.

Keto is the solution.

He doesn't have cushings disease.  Love how so many vilify cortisol....just like they do insulin. 

Please expand on the "frying the nervous system" statement

[Necrosis]

He doesn't have cushings disease.  Love how so many vilify cortisol....just like they do insulin. 

Please expand on the "frying the nervous system" statement

He doesn't need to have cushings to have cortisol spike post workout from heavy lifting, its pretty common particularly in metabolically challenged individuals.

Heavy weights increase CNS recruitment and require enhanced neural drive and can lead to overreaching pretty easy if there is already a poor metabolic milieu. I don;t know what this guys HBA1C is but diabetes is associated with abnormal HPA signalling as well and a bunch of other issues if you would like me to get into them?

I never vilified either, he has type 2 (maybe its type 5 or 6  ) or maybe type 1.5 lol, either way he has high insulin and systemic inflammation. Likely has  masld (being a bodybuilder and all).