Ronnie says he was better than Dorian

[Wiggs]

Yates 93, the best of all time.

It would go like this,

1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay

[beakdoctor]

Dorian wins - How many times did Dorian beat Ronnie
& Ronnie beat Dorian when Competing.  😊

That is not a reliable argument.  The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.

Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.

Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms.  So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.

[obsidian]

Ronnie is right, but he wasn't the only one. Levrone, Wheeler, Haney and Cormier were all better than Dorian

You're smoking crack. 1993 Dorian was better than all of them.

[obsidian]

No it's not and that's from 1994

Wow, ok my bad! Dude was majestic!

[Rambone]

It would go like this,

1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay

Very racially balanced. I know he’s dead to most of us, but no Arnold ‘74?

[obsidian]

That is not a reliable argument.  The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.

Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.

Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms.  So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.

Ronnie in 03 and 04 was huge, but was he better? 98 Ronnie looked a lot better than 03 Ronnie.

[AbrahamG]

Dorian’s 1993 physique takes the edge in:

1. Side Triceps
2. Front Lat Spread
3. Ab and Thighs
4. Side Chest

Ronnie dominates in:

1. Back Double Biceps
2. Front Double Biceps
3. Rear Lat Spread
4. Most Muscular

It's a close battle. Dorian was extremely grainy and hard. He had amazing calves. Ronnie had unreal arms, thigh mass, glute mass and striations. Both had long legs and a shorter torso - ideal proportions. Ronnie's legs looked a bit odd because the thighs overpowered his calves. Dorian's thighs were a little on the light side - but he had deep cuts in his legs from the side and decent hamstrings. Both had great forearms and lats.

In the end, I’d call it a draw.

I agree with you, basically.  I think Dorian won his 4 poses more convincingly that Ronnie won his.  I also think Dorian is much better and more polished on the quarter turns.  To me, that gives Dorian the tie breaker. 

[illuminati]

That is not a reliable argument.  The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.

Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.

Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms.  So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.

What & you think yours is 😂🤣😂

Opinions vary.

When they did compete with each other Dorian was clear winner
Everything else is if & buts & pure speculation.

Do you not think Dorian wouldn’t of raised his game if He'd needed to beat
Ronnie. 👊🏻

[illuminati]

It would go like this,

1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay

Yates 93 , Jay 09 , Arnold 74  - Damn those 3 all on stage at same time
That would be a very tough Call.

[obsidian]

This shot of Dorian in 93 always impressed me. Too bad there aren't higher resolution versions online. It was small even in the magazines. He is the focal point, the others disappear.

More 93 Olympia pics here:

https://www.ambal.ru/compt.php?c=8&im=323721

[obsidian]

[obsidian]

[SF1900]

I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.

Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.

[obsidian]

[illuminati]

I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.

Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.

I don't think Ronnie compares to Dorian.

Ronnie was great and all - Calves abs forearms lack of separation in thighs
and tight grainy condition left a lot to be desired.

Dorian 👊🏻

[obsidian]

I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.

Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.

Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.

Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.

[Rambone]

Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.

Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.

Thought that was Urs for a second

[Methyl m1ke]

Dorian’s 1993 physique takes the edge in:

1. Side Triceps
2. Front Lat Spread
3. Ab and Thighs
4. Side Chest

Ronnie dominates in:

1. Back Double Biceps
2. Front Double Biceps
3. Rear Lat Spread
4. Most Muscular

It's a close battle. Dorian was extremely grainy and hard. He had amazing calves. Ronnie had unreal arms, thigh mass, glute mass and striations. Both had long legs and a shorter torso - ideal proportions. Ronnie's legs looked a bit odd because the thighs overpowered his calves. Dorian's thighs were a little on the light side - but he had deep cuts in his legs from the side and decent hamstrings. Both had great forearms and lats.

In the end, I’d call it a draw.

Ronnie gets front and rear dbl and thats it. No draw, Dorian crushes him.

[SF1900]

Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.

Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.

I think Ronnie wins most  mandatories. There was one year, I forgot which one it was, but many people think it was the best any bodybuilder has ever looked.

[Wiggs]

Start at 1:20

Start at 1:20

Ronnie wins. 

[Irongrip400]

It would go like this,

1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay

You don’t have Flex 93 Arnold in this list.

[Wiggs]

You don’t have Flex 93 Arnold in this list.

This is only based on list in the video.

My personal top 5 are 98 Ronnie (sans gyno), 93 Flex, 93 Dorian, 2012 Phil, 91 Haney

[beakdoctor]

What & you think yours is 😂🤣😂

Opinions vary.

When they did compete with each other Dorian was clear winner
Everything else is if & buts & pure speculation.

Do you not think Dorian wouldn’t of raised his game if He'd needed to beat
Ronnie. 👊🏻

No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart.

So, is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? I suppose Greg Deferro is better than Haney too. And Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali too then?

We are talking head to head peak condition and overall career.

I mean, of course you are entitled to your opinion but neither Dorian or Ronnie had aesthetic physiques. In 93 Dorian blew everyone away with those B&W photos that leaked out- and to be honest here never produced that look on stage. His strength was his sheer size and Ronnie had more of it with just as good conditioning.

15 pro wins vs. 26 pro wins
6 O's vs 8 O's
257 lbs vs. 292 lbs?

Idk, it seems pretty obvious to me. And its not like we're talking about vastly different eras.  Like comparing Larry Scott to Big Ramy where you can take into account differences in nutrition,  supplements,  drugs etc. The same shit was available to both Doz and Ron. Doz just quit before he completely destroyed himself unlike Ron who was determined to destroy his body.

[illuminati]

No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart.

So, is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? I suppose Greg Deferro is better than Haney too. And Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali too then?

We are talking head to head peak condition and overall career.

I mean, of course you are entitled to your opinion but neither Dorian or Ronnie had aesthetic physiques. In 93 Dorian blew everyone away with those B&W photos that leaked out- and to be honest here never produced that look on stage. His strength was his sheer size and Ronnie had more of it with just as good conditioning.

15 pro wins vs. 26 pro wins
6 O's vs 8 O's
257 lbs vs. 292 lbs?

Idk, it seems pretty obvious to me. And its not like we're talking about vastly different eras.  Like comparing Larry Scott to Big Ramy where you can take into account differences in nutrition,  supplements,  drugs etc. The same shit was available to both Doz and Ron. Doz just quit before he completely destroyed himself unlike Ron who was determined to destroy his body.

You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.

As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.

Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.

On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.

[AbrahamG]

You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.

As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.

Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.

On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.

96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.