Another IFBB Pro to PDI

[dr.chimps]

Yeah, I think we're in agreement.  I do respect the business you run, and I do try to learn from you.  You are a former client and I"m not attacking your work there.   Real life and business are separate

I am, however, going at you for monster allegience to the sinking IFBB ship.  And since I think you are just a little bit crazy, I'll be going at your for that too

Just reading these posts, the sinking ship analogy is apt -ie. re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic. However, To me, those in the pro-IFBB side seem to be suffering the 'Brooks Hatlen' syndrome - "after long enough you get so you depend on 'em. That's institutionalized." Sad. 

[240 is Back]

The IFBB shills love to say the PDI doesn't matter.  Then they spend hours of their time trying to convince a bunch of strangers why.

If the PDI was really destined to fail, they'd ignore it.  They wouldn't diss Wayne on the radio show.  They wouldn't get Mayhem to ban all PDI information.  They wouldn't delete my threads about the PDI on BBing.com. 

They're scared they'll lsoe the little monopoly they have on the sport.  When they do ,the execs will make less money and the athletes will make more.  How much $ would a frank mcgrath have made in the IFBB this year?  Zero?  What are his lifetime IFBB earnings?  But in the PDI- a place where the aesthetic guys without guts will get a second look - Frank will make some loot.

[Tre]

Dexter Jackson

Interesting.

That's not a bad move on his part, I'd say.

[Tre]

Looking at the ad for the PDI's first show it's clear that sponsors are taking less interest in sport.

That's a very good point.

Ok, we've seen that the PDI wishes to keep secret its list of sponsors...that's fine.  I can accept that. 

But why hasn't *any* company - other than 300website.com(?) - come forth to announce itself as a 'proud sponsor' of the PDI? 

[Chick]

240 cant figure out why his 'PDI" thread got deleated off the IFBB section of BB.com...lolol


BTW...Darrem and 3 other athletes have yet to be paid from the Orlando nshow...about $12,000 is still outstanding.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The IFBB shills love to say the PDI doesn't matter.  Then they spend hours of their time trying to convince a bunch of strangers why.

If the PDI was really destined to fail, they'd ignore it.  They wouldn't diss Wayne on the radio show.  They wouldn't get Mayhem to ban all PDI information.  They wouldn't delete my threads about the PDI on BBing.com. 

They're scared they'll lsoe the little monopoly they have on the sport.  When they do ,the execs will make less money and the athletes will make more.  How much $ would a frank mcgrath have made in the IFBB this year?  Zero?  What are his lifetime IFBB earnings?  But in the PDI- a place where the aesthetic guys without guts will get a second look - Frank will make some loot.

Frank McGrath is a legit IFBB pro unlike Galanti or London but you're acting like he's a big.



Frank McGrath came in the backdoor by winning the Canadian Championships which is impressive since only one winner can be chosen however he doesn't have the funds or sponsorship nessesary to actively compete and prepare for competition.  His last show was in 2004 at the Toronto Pro and he took 12th.  Now 12th place isn't good but what makes it even worse is that he placed so low in his own freaking country.


Frank McGrath being an addition to the PDI adds a slight "residue" of legitimacy but doesn't help one bit to further add to the people who will get their asses kicked by Lee Priest. 

The PDI is going to need more truely legitimate powerhouse pros other than Lee Priest, Gary Strydom, and Vince Taylor.  When the money runs out all three of these people are going to head to the hills  especially Lee and all we'll be left with is some 2nd tier NPC competitors battling it out for a winner takes none showdown.  There will also be a steaming pile of Rhino shit on stage because Mr London will exit stage right and get back to his career in the NABBA which is where he should be. 

[getfast81]

So based on your previous experience are you saying you're pleased there's no PPV or not?
I agree about the bench press, too risky to try live. The Challenge Rounds have been an attempt make the show more interesting but unfortunatley didn't work out as hoped.
I know the people working behind the scenes at the O are doing everything they can to ensure it's a success for the fans and athletes.
Not sure what you mean about Gustavo's routine but I'll respect your interpretation.
How is the legacy unfolding?
240 complains about the Olympia but he's never been to one just like the majoruty of the complainers on here.
So it got moved from the Mandallay. Good, the place went down hill rapidly over the last few years it was held there and most people who went to the O while it was there, chose to stay elsewhere.
Don't like the Orleans, great, don't stay there. Choose one of the other hotels in the area. There's quite a few I believe?
Now I agree that having the expo in a different venue is a bit awkward but right now there's no alternative. I'd suggest staying at the Hilton so you're close to the Expo then taking a cab ride over to the venue, which is far superior to the Mandallay's.
Or you could do what 240 does and sit at home and watch it on the computer and bitch and moan about production values, Bob's commentary, the IFBB suck, when did the cheques clear, etc etc. while he's on the phone to his boss - Wayne - sucking up.

Whoa Kev.  I cant say anything negative about the venue, hotel, or etc because honestly I have never been to Vegas and don't plan on going and thats why I watch PPV.  As far as Bob, I agree and disagree with some things he says but I do respect him because I am not a pro bb or do I ever plan on competing.  I just lift and supplement. 

I dont give a rats ass about cheques clearing thats 240s business.  I was just glad to see some of the CO pro show on the webcast.  I dont think the IFBB sucks completely but the game has gotten worse.  Olympia productions, physique mandates, guys being overlooked, favoritism, etc.  Its gone downhill.  Just like any other business you have to go out and do something to drum up momentum which the IFBB does not I believe. 

The IFBB I THINK believes theyre are the only game in town and that every fan will eat theyre crap forever.  That wont happen.  I love the spring shows because there is more intrigue.  The Arnold, Olympia?  Dexter, Ronnie.  We got it already!

[Santa Claus]

No.  Jay is still in love with the O dream.  I'm talking about a man who has been wronged by the IFBB.  No more clues now! lol... I can't confirm, but I hear things.  Bottom line, more names are going each month, and the BIG ONE will be near the end of the list, but when he goes, there will be a pretty big 'holy shit' from the world of BBing.

It's got to be Chris Cormier. Mark my words.

[kmhphoto]

That's a very good point.

Ok, we've seen that the PDI wishes to keep secret its list of sponsors...that's fine.  I can accept that. 

But why hasn't *any* company - other than 300website.com(?) - come forth to announce itself as a 'proud sponsor' of the PDI? 

Well if it was an IFBB show, the PDI employees on here would be claining that it was proof that the IFBB's ship was sinking. Because it's one of their shows, the resident business expert would claim that it was a strategy designed to attract the maximim amount of publicity for the minimum amount of outlay.

Personally, I don't think they have any.

[onlyme]

Aah yes, thanks for that Tim; I may be competing in the IFBB Universe (World Amateur Championships) one day myself. That competition alone has seen the nurturing of legends like Robby, Mentzer and even Big Ron.

Yea right. if so post your pics and name.  I doubt you will.  And if you I bet you are justa little kid who is just another internet tough guy hiding.  See son I don't have to hide.  That's my advantage.  I am may be out of shape now but that is only temporary now, and I have paid my dues.  You haven't done shit yet or from the sound of it ever will.  Sit back and read.  And your infactuation with Sean exhibits the type of person you are so right their you are starting off in the loser round.

[240 is Back]

240 cant figure out why his 'PDI" thread got deleated off the IFBB section of BB.com...lolol

Well, there was no PDI section.  BBing.com obviously has that same anti-athlete attitude shared by mayhem.

Bob, no offense, but if you don't want the athletes to have a shot at $150,000 this sept/oct, you're not their rep.  PERIOD.

[onlyme]

Not a shot at Bob either but the fiasco at the Colorado Pro should be addressed.  No matter how you look at it, what happened with the prize money shouldn't have happened if the IFBB handled the situation like they are supposed too.  No favortism.  If their are rules about the prize money being submitted frist before granting a sanction and it is supported for every promoter, then it should be for EVERY promoter including Sean.  He is nothing special in the promotion world.  He never even had a show under his belt.  Yet he was granted some sort of special treatment and look what happened.  It would NOT have happened if he was treated as a promoter and the rules were followed.  Why does the IFBB even have rules, they do not abide by them.  They are worthless sentances in a weak ledger. 

And you should have NOT stepped in, to take up with the promoter and defend him, before defending the people you say you represent.  THAT IS A FACT.  This shoudl never happen again.  And every IFBB show that is scheduled you need to personally verify there are funds there for the competitors, in a separate escrow account.  I know one thing as a former professionala athlete I would have been pissed if any check I ever received from playing or competing bounced or not not cashable immediately.  And any pro who says they aren't a little disturb that their check didn't go through is lying or scared of what will happen if he does complain.

[bigdumbbell]

Not a shot at Bob either but the fiasco at the Colorado Pro should be addressed.  No matter how you look at it, what happened with the prize money shouldn't have happened if the IFBB handled the situation like they are supposed too.  No favortism.  If their are rules about the prize money being submitted frist before granting a sanction and it is supported for every promoter, then it should be for EVERY promoter including Sean.  He is nothing special in the promotion world.  He never even had a show under his belt.  Yet he was granted some sort of special treatment and look what happened.  It would NOT have happened if he was treated as a promoter and the rules were followed.  Why does the IFBB even have rules, they do not abide by them.  They are worthless sentances in a weak ledger. 

And you should have NOT stepped in, to take up with the promoter and defend him, before defending the people you say you represent.  THAT IS A FACT.  This shoudl never happen again.  And every IFBB show that is scheduled you need to personally verify there are funds there for the competitors, in a separate escrow account.  I know one thing as a former professionala athlete I would have been pissed if any check I ever received from playing or competing bounced or not not cashable immediately.  And any pro who says they aren't a little disturb that their check didn't go through is lying or scared of what will happen if he does complain.

i never met anybody who didnt care that their pay check bounced. it's disrespectful, insulting and un-American.

[Lift Studios]

Bob, no offense, but if you don't want the athletes to have a shot at $150,000 this sept/oct, you're not their rep.  PERIOD.

WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep. Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.

Keith why do you care what happens with the IFBB? You've made it clear you're permanently attached to Wayne's sack. Constantly spewing your anti-IFBB hate only solidifies your spot in the douche bag hall of fame. BTW - when is your first show so we can make sure to belittle your efforts all along the way?

Amusing how it's the same ass ponies who have to turn the tables back on Bob or the IFBB whenever something is brought up about the PDI.

[240 is Back]

WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep.

Amusing how it's the same ass ponies who have to turn the tables back on Bob or the IFBB whenever something is brought up about the PDI.

Actually, Bob made it clear early on that he represented ALL athletes, and that all the guys came to him for advice.  Then, as the PDI gained some more athletes and the beef ensued with Priest, Bob suddenly stopped giving a shit about those men and decided he only represented IFBB guys.  But early on, he did state that he represented the interests of ALL BBing pros.  You can deny, delete, whatever, but BOb said it veyr early on.

"Ass ponies"?  Wow, LIFT I expected a little more class from you.  A nice argument, maybe something witty.  But yesterday Horton, and today Isaac, have resorted to crass name-calling.  That's not the behavior of unworried industry leaders.  That's the behavior we see from nervous men trying to endear themselves with higher-ups.

[timfogarty]

The PDI is going to need more truely legitimate powerhouse pros other than Lee Priest, Gary Strydom, and Vince Taylor.

you know, I don't think they do need guys who have been in the IFBB pros for 10-20 years.  People want fresh faces.  Look at the reaction to Phil Heath.

[240 is Back]

you know, I don't think they do need guys who have been in the IFBB pros for 10-20 years.  People want fresh faces.  Look at the reaction to Phil Heath.

Frey, McGrath, and the slew of euro guys will bring that to the States.

[Lift Studios]

Actually, Bob made it clear early on that he represented ALL athletes, and that all the guys came to him for advice.  Then, as the PDI gained some more athletes and the beef ensued with Priest, Bob suddenly stopped giving a shit about those men and decided he only represented IFBB guys.  But early on, he did state that he represented the interests of ALL BBing pros.  You can deny, delete, whatever, but BOb said it veyr early on.

"Ass ponies"?  Wow, LIFT I expected a little more class from you.  A nice argument, maybe something witty.  But yesterday Horton, and today Isaac, have resorted to crass name-calling.  That's not the behavior of unworried industry leaders.  That's the behavior we see from nervous men trying to endear themselves with higher-ups.

Simply a response of annoyance. You're like the little nappy dog that latches onto your pant leg and doesn't let go. You can be nice to it or you can punt it and it still comes back with the same bit of annoyance. It has nothing to do with being nervous and every bit about your continual stream of annoying claims of knowing what's best for this industry.

Again... Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.

[onlyme]

WTF is so hard to get Rob? Bob has stated repeatedly he is the IFBB's athlete rep. Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.

Keith why do you care what happens with the IFBB? You've made it clear you're permanently attached to Wayne's sack. Constantly spewing your anti-IFBB hate only solidifies your spot in the douche bag hall of fame. BTW - when is your first show so we can make sure to belittle your efforts all along the way?

Amusing how it's the same ass ponies who have to turn the tables back on Bob or the IFBB whenever something is brought up about the PDI.

My beef with the IFBB is not whether they succeed or fail it is being truthful, honest, and treat their members right.  I don't it when anybody or any company takes advantage of anyone.  I hate it and when I can do somethign about it I do.  The IFBB is just an easier target cause they do so much wrong and treat so many like shit it is easy.  They are bogus and now with the PDI coming, I truly think that now the same people who have been taken advantage of and the future guys who would have been taken advantage of now have a choice.  If they or anyone chooses the IFBB more power to them but when they get fucked like others have before them, then they have only themselves to blame.  Till now they had no where else to go so I can't blame guys who want to compete so bad to have to put up with what comes with it.  Well now the PDI is offering an alternative.  ANd in a few years I am pretty sure the prize money will be just as good if not better.  

I am on Waynes side cause he has been the only guy with balls to go up against the Weiders and the IFBB (other than Vince who knew nothign about BB).  No matter what the people say about Wayne at least he wants and is doing something to better BB.  Anyone who puts that down is stupid and really knows nothing about it.

And you are saying BOB is the IFBB rep, then why didn't Bob step up to the plate to defend the competitors on the bounced check inceident instead he stepped up for the promoter.  How do you explain this.  There were 8 competitors whose checks bounced.  SUre they are blaming thebank but NO ONE has seen an official bank document stating the facts.  Just a typed portion.  Where is the faxed copy that has been requested for at least 10 times.

And you ask why I am on this so much.  Cause like everythign else the IFBB or Sean does wrong gets put under the rug so people will forget about it.  WHY?  Why don't they just have some balls and take the responsibility.  Lets blame the bank and then everyone will leave it alone.  Sorry, I don't work that way.  No one steps up and say we made a mistake the money should have been in escrow and released fo the show.  No they admit that no money was in the account and the bank made a mistake in transferring it to the account to cover the checks.  Jeez, you honestly believe this and accept this.  I bet if the Colorado Pro happens next year the competitor list will be not only horrible but at least 30% smaller.  Competitors are not gig to put up with having to get paid and their own rep not stepping in nor the IFBB stepping up and doing something about it.  Other than 1st place the prize money was nothing special.  So why would they come back.  

Yes it's the same ass-wipes who stand up for the IFBB whenever shit hits the fan.  All it shows is how dumb you really are and the deperate reaction to hang on to obviously sinking ship of the IFBB.  Better grab your life vest Issac cause you are going to need it.  I'll throw you an achor if I see you.

[sarcasm]

Actually, Bob made it clear early on that he represented ALL athletes, and that all the guys came to him for advice.  Then, as the PDI gained some more athletes and the beef ensued with Priest, Bob suddenly stopped giving a shit about those men and decided he only represented IFBB guys.  But early on, he did state that he represented the interests of ALL BBing pros.  You can deny, delete, whatever, but BOb said it veyr early on.

"Ass ponies"?  Wow, LIFT I expected a little more class from you.  A nice argument, maybe something witty.  But yesterday Horton, and today Isaac, have resorted to crass name-calling.  That's not the behavior of unworried industry leaders.  That's the behavior we see from nervous men trying to endear themselves with higher-ups.

lift and "big" Kevin Horton are melting down faster than a snowball in the sun.

[onlyme]

Isaac I thought we already established you don't qualify to voice your opinion or make remarks cause of your stature and mental compacity.  Please let the people who care about where BB is going and the how they are treated and how much money they can make for their future.  Your bias views and kiss-ass appraoch to defending the IFBB is exhausting and disgusting at the same time.  You defend an organization that doesn't give a shot about their members and have proven it over and over again for many many years.  That says volumes on your integrity and morals when you defend an organization like this.  Give it up already you lost and you are just hanging on.  Your like the soldier in Monthy Pythons Holy Grail where he gets all his limbs chopped off yet still comes for more.

[Lift Studios]

My beef with the IFBB is not whether they succeed or fail it is being truthful, honest, and treat their members right.  I don't it when anybody or any company takes advantage of anyone.  I hate it and when I can do somethign about it I do.  The IFBB is just an easier target cause they do so much wrong and treat so many like shit it is easy.  They are bogus and now with the PDI coming, I truly think that now the same people who have been taken advantage of and the future guys who would have been taken advantage of now have a choice.  If they or anyone chooses the IFBB more power to them but when they get fucked like others have before them, then they have only themselves to blame.  Till now they had no where else to go so I can't blame guys who want to compete so bad to have to put up with what comes with it.  Well now the PDI is offering an alternative.  ANd in a few years I am pretty sure the prize money will be just as good if not better. 

I am on Waynes side cause he has been the only guy with balls to go up against the Weiders and the IFBB (other than Vince who knew nothign about BB).  No matter what the people say about Wayne at least he wants and is doing something to better BB.  Anyone who puts that down is stupid and really knows nothing about it.

And you are saying BOB is the IFBB rep, then why didn't Bob step up to the plate to defend the competitors on the bounced check inceident instead he stepped up for the promoter.  How do you explain this.  There were 8 competitors whose checks bounced.  SUre they are blaming thebank but NO ONE has seen an official bank document stating the facts.  Just a typed portion.  Where is the faxed copy that has been requested for at least 10 times.

And you ask why I am on this so much.  Cause like everythign else the IFBB or Sean does wrong gets put under the rug so people will forget about it.  WHY?  Why don't they just have some balls and take the responsibility.  Lets blame the bank and then everyone will leave it alone.  Sorry, I don't work that way.  No one steps up and say we made a mistake the money should have been in escrow and released fo the show.  No they admit that no money was in the account and the bank made a mistake in transferring it to the account to cover the checks.  Jeez, you honestly believe this and accept this.  I bet if the Colorado Pro happens next year the competitor list will be not only horrible but at least 30% smaller.  Competitors are not gig to put up with having to get paid and their own rep not stepping in nor the IFBB stepping up and doing something about it.  Other than 1st place the prize money was nothing special.  So why would they come back. 

Yes it's the same ass-wipes who stand up for the IFBB whenever shit hits the fan.  All it shows is how dumb you really are and the deperate reaction to hang on to obviously sinking ship of the IFBB.  Better grab your life vest Issac cause you are going to need it.  I'll throw you an achor if I see you.

Come on Kieth, just own up to being bitter towards the IFBB. You love being devil's advocate on anything related to the IFBB. Bob stated that none of the athlete's called him in regards to the checks, if they did he would discussed it with them and taken the proper steps, since none did why is it still an issue? You read it, but you can't let it go.

You're part of the PDI, great!!! That's fantastic but does trying to undermine the IFBB make the PDI a better solution? It appears that is your tactic in trying to promote your first PDI show. Guys who haven't and will never place well in the IFBB, of course the PDI is a great choice for them, never said it wasn't. What happens when Lee Priest becomes the Ronnie Coleman of the PDI - will you guys complain about that?

[240 is Back]

Simply a response of annoyance. You're like the little nappy dog that latches onto your pant leg and doesn't let go. You can be nice to it or you can punt it and it still comes back with the same bit of annoyance. It has nothing to do with being nervous and every bit about your continual stream of annoying claims of knowing what's best for this industry.

Again... Why don't you step up and become the PDI athlete's rep? We know you're not an athlete, so no conflict there.

LIFT, you are giving your rubberstamp endorsement to the IFBB, which cheats people (Hi Rusty!), fixes some shows (Hi Doz and Ronnie!), and it limiting the amount of money it's independent athletes can earn.  All while being a nonprofit organization!  

You're welcome to call me annoying.  Because you're not debating the above points.  You're attacking me.  You can't argue the IFBB is fair, the athletes are well-paid, or that the IFBB cares about its athletes.  So you attack me.  Self-defeat.

You sure like to point out that I'm "not an athlete".   You sound like an insecure dude when you say that.  Using that as a point in your debate shows you're trying to make me lose face by insulting my physique, not my argument.  You lose a point for that   I hit the gym like many here, but just because I choose not to go to extremes and compete, I am not an athlete?  

Finally LIFT, since you made it personal with "asspony" and love to insult my athletic prowess... I've seen your pics, and while you love to call me a clown, etc, in real life, we both know you wouldn't step to me.  You just wouldn't. I'm now 208 and 5'10 at 12% BF, and a scrapper at that.  You look like a soft schmoe, a company man, chum in the water.  So if you want to see an ass pony, come on out to the orlando PDI and take a shove at the clown you call 240... Don't talk trash, step up and take a shot.  WIMPstudios.

[sarcasm]

Isaac I thought we already established you don't qualify to voice your opinion or make remarks cause of your stature and mental compacity.  Please let the people who care about where BB is going and the how they are treated and how much money they can make for their future.  Your bias views and kiss-ass appraoch to defending the IFBB is exhausting and disgusting at the same time.  You defend an organization that doesn't give a shot about their members and have proven it over and over again for many many years.  That says volumes on your integrity and morals when you defend an organization like this.  Give it up already you lost and you are just hanging on.  Your like the soldier in Monthy Pythons Holy Grail where he gets all his limbs chopped off yet still comes for more.

hahaha, yes Keith he's like Paul Newman getting his ass kicked by George Kennedy in Cool Hand Luke..............stay down, Luke!!

[onlyme]

Come on Kieth, just own up to being bitter towards the IFBB. You love being devil's advocate on anything related to the IFBB. Bob stated that none of the athlete's called him in regards to the checks, if they did he would discussed it with them and taken the proper steps, since none did why is it still an issue? You read it, but you can't let it go.

You're part of the PDI, great!!! That's fantastic but does trying to undermine the IFBB make the PDI a better solution? It appears that is your tactic in trying to promote your first PDI show. Guys who haven't and will never place well in the IFBB, of course the PDI is a great choice for them, never said it wasn't. What happens when Lee Priest becomes the Ronnie Coleman of the PDI - will you guys complain about that?

Lee will never be black or 5'11" or near 300lbs.  And not to sound Alexxx-ish but Lee is allot better looking than Ronnie to.