Another IFBB Pro to PDI

[bigdumbbell]

Lee will never be black or 5'11" or near 300lbs.  And not to sound Alexxx-ish but Lee is allot better looking than Ronnie to.

lee speaks english not jibber jive

[onlyme]

Plus wait till the Olympia is over and the Weider contracts are up.  The PDI will have really good guys coming over then.  

[Lift Studios]

Isaac I thought we already established you don't qualify to voice your opinion or make remarks cause of your stature and mental compacity.  Please let the people who care about where BB is going and the how they are treated and how much money they can make for their future.  Your bias views and kiss-ass appraoch to defending the IFBB is exhausting and disgusting at the same time.  You defend an organization that doesn't give a shot about their members and have proven it over and over again for many many years.  That says volumes on your integrity and morals when you defend an organization like this.  Give it up already you lost and you are just hanging on.  Your like the soldier in Monthy Pythons Holy Grail where he gets all his limbs chopped off yet still comes for more.

Right, right Keith and you of all people qualify to be the voice of reason.  You had no problem being part of the IFBB before and promoting their amatuer organization, sounds a bit hypocrytical to me. When you can be part of the org. and attempt to make money you have no problem being part of it. Lose money, realize you don't stand a snowballs chance in promoting another NPC much less get sanctioned for an IFBB show you take a stand that you care about the athletes. Uh huh - riiiiiiiiiight.

[240 is Back]

The PDI will be putting on the most visual and creative show in BBing history, according to the athletes and Wayne.  

The FIBB just cancelled the PPV.  And there are many saying the O will be sold after this year's event.

You tell me who is on the downward slide here.

[sarcasm]

The PDI will be putting on the most visual and creative show in BBing history, according to the athletes and Wayne.  

The FIBB just cancelled the PPV.  And there are many saying the O will be sold after this year's event.

You tell me who is on the downward slide here.

are you suggesting that the Mr. Olympia will be held at the local little league field next year, 240?

[240 is Back]

are you suggesting that the Mr. Olympia will be held at the local little league field next year, 240?

Between innings.

[sarcasm]

Between innings.

hahaha, oh brother, free nachos and popcorn in the bag to the winner.

[240 is Back]

hahaha, oh brother, free nachos and popcorn in the bag to the winner.

For the posing routine, Rodney St Cloud will find a creative way to make a Louisville Slugger completely disappear.

[sarcasm]

For the posing routine, Rodney St Cloud will find a creative way to make a Louisville Slugger completely disappear.

[Lift Studios]

LIFT, you are giving your rubberstamp endorsement to the IFBB, which cheats people (Hi Rusty!), fixes some shows (Hi Doz and Ronnie!), and it limiting the amount of money it's independent athletes can earn.  All while being a nonprofit organization! 

You're welcome to call me annoying.  Because you're not debating the above points.  You're attacking me.  You can't argue the IFBB is fair, the athletes are well-paid, or that the IFBB cares about its athletes.  So you attack me.  Self-defeat.

You sure like to point out that I'm "not an athlete".   You sound like an insecure dude when you say that.  Using that as a point in your debate shows you're trying to make me lose face by insulting my physique, not my argument.  You lose a point for that    I hit the gym like many here, but just because I choose not to go to extremes and compete, I am not an athlete? 

Finally LIFT, since you made it personal with "asspony" and love to insult my athletic prowess... I've seen your pics, and while you love to call me a clown, etc, in real life, we both know you wouldn't step to me.  You just wouldn't. I'm now 208 and 5'10 at 12% BF, and a scrapper at that.  You look like a soft schmoe, a company man, chum in the water.  So if you want to see an ass pony, come on out to the orlando PDI and take a shove at the clown you call 240... Don't talk trash, step up and take a shot.  WIMPstudios.

I'm not attacking you - I'm pointing out the obvious. You've got yourself wrapped around Wayne's nuts so tight it's making you more delusional then usual. You need the PDI without it you're nothing but a guy taking potshots with his animated gifs and doughboy reports towards IFBB pros. The PDI provides you with something new to be part of.

Rob give up the attempt in being a web designer and look into becoming a lawyer. You do a great job of twisting words and attempting to present them as truths. I pointed out that you're not an athlete, because you said yourself that the athlete's rep shouldn't be a competitor, sounds more like you have the inferiority complex there. I never insulted your phsqiue, no need to it speaks for itself and has nothing to do with anything. You can compete - if Vince can get on stage anyone can, stop making excuses.

HAHAHA - Now you're flexing your internet muscles telling me I wouldn't step to you? Wow that's tough and you want to talk about class?

[240 is Back]

I'm not attacking you - I'm pointing out the obvious. You've got yourself wrapped around Wayne's nuts so tight it's making you more delusional then usual. You need the PDI without it you're nothing but a guy taking potshots with his animated gifs and doughboy reports towards IFBB pros. The PDI provides you with something new to be part of.

Rob give up the attempt in being a web designer and look into becoming a lawyer. You do a great job of twisting words and attempting to present them as truths. I pointed out that you're not an athlete, because you said yourself that the athlete's rep shouldn't be a competitor, sounds more like you have the inferiority complex there. I never insulted your phsqiue, no need to it speaks for itself and has nothing to do with anything. You can compete - if Vince can get on stage anyone can, stop making excuses.

HAHAHA - Now you're flexing your internet muscles telling me I wouldn't step to you? Wow that's tough and you want to talk about class?

I'm telling you that if you want to call me an asspony, you're more than welcome to try to test your theory and give me a nice push when you see me   I don't think I have resorted to namecalling in this argument. 

I've only done 5 PDI projects.   So it's a pretty small portion of my overall income.  I actually make more money now doing small network setups in my town than I do from fitness websites. 

And no, I'm not wrapped around anyone's testes, Isaac.  I would like to see the PDI success so the IFBB will lose its stranglehold on the sport.  They're greedy and they are not fair.  Another org will change that.  Everytime a guy is pissed at a placing or he is robbed for political reasons, he can jump to the PDI and have a fresh start.  Options become available, and the IFBB would then have to play nice or lose talented guys. 

And if Wayne does a lousy job, I will make my opinon heard on that too.  And when a new Pro league wants to start next year, I'll try to work with them to, to grow it and create awareness, and to make it even more equitable for the athletes.

[Lift Studios]

hahaha no name calling? "Don't talk trash, step up and take a shot.  WIMPstudios." Waaaa. Like it matters to me, you you're still the annoying nappy dog that will continue to get punted and you will keep coming back for more, we've all grown to accept it here.

I will bet you a thousand dollars that someone will feel they got screwed at the first PDI show in their placings. Care to take that bet? It doesn't matter if they are with the IFBB or the PDI there will always be unhappy competitors who feel they got screwed. It will always be part of bodybuilding and it doesn't matter what organization they are with.

[240 is Back]

I will bet you a thousand dollars that someone will feel they got screwed at the first PDI show in their placings. Care to take that bet? It doesn't matter if they are with the IFBB or the PDI there will always be unhappy competitors who feel they got screwed. It will always be part of bodybuilding and it doesn't matter what organization they are with.

Guys will always disagree with final placements.  BUT when there is only one game in town- the IFBB- there is nothing a guy can do if he gets the shaft regularly.   WIth the PDI in town, the IFBB will know that hey, if we gift a 3rd to gustavo, we might lose dexter.  It we keep screwing mustafa, he might call up wayne.  Rockel... 14th at the O... say hello to the NOC...

[240 is Back]

LIFT, would you consider yourself an athlete?

[kmhphoto]

My beef with the IFBB is not whether they succeed or fail it is being truthful, honest, and treat their members right.  

Nice sentiments.
So how do you justufy the fact that Wayne was a part of the IFBB for 20 years, was responsible for fining bodybuilders and preventing them from competing?
Please try to be a little bit more creative than "He was only following orders" or "He'd had enough and that's why he left"

[kmhphoto]

lift and "big" Kevin Horton are melting down faster than a snowball in the sun.

The level of discussion in this thread may get a little too intelligent for you so I suggest you either call your Mom for help or get back to work, The chicken shit is piling up son.
You'd be better off starting another of your "I told a 140lb boy in a T-Top he was a BEAST!" threads.

Ckuck Cluck - is that your girl calling?

[240 is Back]

Nice sentiments.
So how do you justufy the fact that Wayne was a part of the IFBB for 20 years, was responsible for fining bodybuilders and preventing them from competing?
Please try to be a little bit more creative than "He was only following orders" or "He'd had enough and that's why he left"

Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years?  Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him?  Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization.  While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint.  Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.

If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?

[kmhphoto]

Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years?  Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him?  Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization.  While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint.  Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.

If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?

At last you're prepared to be critical of Wayne!
I'm not sure if the term "fleecing" is the same in the US but in the UK it means "ripping off" or cheating someone of something - usually money.
All I asked was why Keith justified his support of him. when for 20 years Wayne was a part of the organisation he so strongly objects too,
So for all those years Wayne was part of the problem, now he's suddenly seen the light and decided to be the saviour of bodybuilding?
Or has he just decided that an easy way to make some quick money is to start a new organisation, charge promoters $10K+ non- refundable sanction fees, then blame "pressure from the IFBB" for the cancellation?

[240 is Back]

At last you're prepared to be critical of Wayne!
I'm not sure if the term "fleecing" is the same in the US but in the UK it means "ripping off" or cheating someone of something - usually money.
All I asked was why Keith justified his support of him. when for 20 years Wayne was a part of the organisation he so strongly objects too,
So for all those years Wayne was part of the problem, now he's suddenly seen the light and decided to be the savious of bodybuilding?
Or has he just decided that an easy way to make some quick money is to start a new organisation, charge promoters $10K+ non- refundable sanction fees, then blame "pressure from the IFBB" for the cancellation?

Horton, I have no problem being completely honest about anyone.  If the PDI sucks, I'll be the first guy on here breaking it down.  I want change, competition for the IFBB.  Wayne is a good alternative, but time may show him to not be perfect.  Or, he might flourish.  I don't know.  I'm not going to stand up and blindly follow anyone (except my wife, of course!)

I just wanna see more than one game in town. 

[Lift Studios]

LIFT, would you consider yourself an athlete?

Athletic, yes but what does that have to do with the price of corn in China?

[kmhphoto]

Horton, I have no problem being completely honest about anyone.  If the PDI sucks, I'll be the first guy on here breaking it down.  I want change, competition for the IFBB.  Wayne is a good alternative, but time may show him to not be perfect.  Or, he might flourish.  I don't know.  I'm not going to stand up and blindly follow anyone (except my wife, of course!)

I just wanna see more than one game in town. 

How are you determining that Wayne is a "good alternative"? Shouldn't you wait until he has proven what he wants to do and not just talked it?
As I said before, for over 20 years Wayne was part of whatever it is you dislike about the IFBB. He fined athletes, barred them from competing at shows. Hasn't happened since he "left" has it?
Let's not forget that one of his first press releases contained a blatant LIE - about the medical testing?
If the NOC turns out to be a technical nightmare are you going to as critical as usual?

If come September, the NOC and the PDI's Euro Tour is cancelled, what would you accept as a reason


By the way, best cure for being led around by the wife is to get her an extraa credit card - at least you don;t have to follow them dress shopping so often

[Lift Studios]

Let's not forget that one of his first press releases contained a blatant LIE - about the medical testing?

Oh you mean McLean Hospital, the mental hospital?

McLean Hospital Mission Statement
McLean Hospital is a comprehensive health care system committed to providing a full range of high quality, cost effective, mental health services to our patients, their families and the larger community.

The Hospital is also dedicated to the training of mental health professionals and to supporting basic and clinical research to understand the causes of mental illnesses and to develop effective new means for their prevention and treatment.

How do you explain that - Keith, rob?

[Hedgehog]

Horton, I have no problem being completely honest about anyone.  If the PDI sucks, I'll be the first guy on here breaking it down.  I want change, competition for the IFBB.  Wayne is a good alternative, but time may show him to not be perfect.  Or, he might flourish.  I don't know.  I'm not going to stand up and blindly follow anyone (except my wife, of course!)

I just wanna see more than one game in town. 

Here's my take.

By being objective, making equally critical assessments about all players in the field (PDI and the IFBB in this case), one is helping to keep things progressing.

It doesn't mean however, that you have to make one negative post for IFBB whenever you do it for the PDI.

It's not about balance. If one of the players in the field is more corrupt, there is no justification to post even numbers of negative posts.

But the critical assessment of all parties helps.

The interview Ron conducted helped DeMilia as much as any soft interview would've. DeMilia was able to answer tough questions.

The point is, brown nosing will help the PDI as much as smearing will.

JMO of course.
YIP
Zack

[onlyme]

Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years?  Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him?  Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization.  While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint.  Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.

If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?

What Kevin nor Issac understands about this is that the reason Wayne was kept on was that he allowed them to use him as the front man.  He did exactly what he was told to do by the Weiders.  While they hid behind him.  It made Wayne look bad but what does he care.  He was doing his job.  Vince, Kevin and Issac for some reason can't get this through there head.  EIther they are very dense and have very low comprehension skills or they have never dealt with the Weiders.  They are control freaks 100%.  And if you don't know this then you know absoultely nothing.  Wayne did it cause it was his job.  Get it.

He got tired of all the bullshit and started PDI.  Simple as that.  It is so effident how important Wayne was just from the way the IFBB is run now and the Olympia.  Both has sucked more and more since Wayne left.  Someone asked on here before why Vince Taylor and Lee switched to the PDI and Wayne was the guy who fined them all the time.  Well Lee answered, he said Bens signature and everything was on the letters,  It was Bens who instructed Wayne to issue the fines as he was numerous times. 

Its really too bad how a select few IFBB hanger-oners will hang on till the last drop.  No matter what the IFBB can't do wrong no matter how evident it is.  It's sad being controlled like that.  Well guys hang on cause your ship is sinking.

[240 is Back]

Makes no sense.  A guy is putting on 5 shows, and saying he doesn't care if you compete in the IFBB too.

A guy is putting 150k out there for pro BBers to win.

And it's not the athletes complaining- it's photographers.  LMAO...