Anal, you apparently don't understand the criticisms made about Yates. He was awesome in 1993; probably top five physiques ever after Haney, Ronnie, Arnold and Oliva. However, after 1994, Yates was a shell of his former self. If Levrone ever worked hard enough to get a back and Dillett trained even a bit; Yates would have been dethroned quite easily. His conditioning, while usually good...cough 1994, 1997...cough...could not hide his pathetic symmetry and lack of vascularity or stirations. His density is well known and never was questioned; it was the lack of a flowing package that looked like a Mr. Olympia that was the problem. I agree, right now, Ronnie looks nothing like a Mr. Olympia. He better bring it in the next few months or Gutler or Jackson will be the new champ assuming the compettion is judged fairly. Obviously, that is not always the case as can be seen in Haney 1989, Yates 1994/1997 (even 1996 is debateable), and Ronnie 2001/2002. Regardless, I enjoy your comments as they have biting wit about them.