Geroge has a right to speak his mind - that is what is great about Getbig and the boards, as long as it is no malicious bashing. He is cool about me posting his emails to me - I asked him if it was ok - so here are some more of them... I am all for discussion and debate on female bodybuilding, perhaps the sport will change back to symmetry and physique rather than just muscularity.
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As I told you in my last email...if you ever learn one thing about me... it's that I don't lie. That being said, I just got an email from one of your members... who does agree with me... and he included your post... I guess it must
have been from yesterday or today.... You're almost there Ron.... The issue isn't really about opinions pro or con...the issues is how those opinions are expressed. Calling a female bodybuilder a tranny?...come on... you know thats bs.... it's a stereotype... and then someone posts pictures that were clearly morphed to prove a point?.... that's what I mean... I have no problem with differing opinions.... none whatsoever....in fact criticizm may be a good thing...but like I said before... if done responsibly...and not using low life comments....
Actually Ron, I do get along with a lot of people...and I'm in contact with many pros and amateur bodybuilders....male and female...loyalty, trust and friendship are hard things to just give away... I don't... not to sound high and mighty... you or people in general have to earn them from me. I'm not a young guy...I'm almost
55 so I'm not some highschool kid whose wet behind the ears.
I explained to you that I too don't really like the idea of the women jucing beyond recognition... but the reality is... just like it is with the men... they feel they have to in order to compete/win.... yes... it's wrong... for both
sexes....and in my opinion...it's cheating!...but until the federation judges get it...until they start awarding the win to athletes with asthetics, symetry and conditioning rather than monster hugeness.... nothing will change.... and the monster men and women will keep on coming...
And the reason I declined to be "interviewed" is that I know you and Issac are working together....but I won't have anything to do with Isaac. I have my reasons...and they really don't involve anyone else but he and I. I see that you mentioned the bashing was over... I take it you meant you will start to delete the malicious posts?....if so...I appplaude you...but...I have to be honest with you...I'm going to take the wait and see stance...
I wouldn't say anything in an email that I wouldn't say in public unless it were a protected conversation...i.e. I was asked specifically not to reveal the info from a protected source... like my source from the pecker meeting in which he stated..."those women will never be on my stage"...I believe I was the one who broke that story...and it spread around the net.. However.when asked not to divulge information I always comply...that's the reason I'm trusted by most...
I know for a fact that Betty Pariso officially submitted it to Manion at the IFBB meeting... and not to Bob as the letter wasn't address to Bob it was addressed to Manion, IFBB, et al....and anyone saying that she didn't is a liar
plain and simple!
No woman I know of FBB or otherwise, would want to show up to a meeting called by the male rep.... especially since he was the one who had just trashed them publically in national print....As far as caring...you have a point. I've been saying it for years in several broadcast emails to the women that they have to stop the me... me... mentality and take on a we... we... mentality.... and just like the men... it never happens....
The Blame Game: The premise that the women have no one to blame but themselves is partially true. No one forces them at gunpoint to take enhancement substances (drugs/steroids,HGH...whatever). However, much of the blame falls directly on the shoulders of the federations and their judges.
A) for consistantly awarding higher placement to women with size over women with aesthetics, symetry, and
conditioning... B) for not using a consistant criteria to determine placement... C) for total disregard of the federations own mandate of 20% less muscularity... albeit that mandate is arbitrary at best... 20% less water?... 40% less weight?... D) the abolishment of weight classes....and lastly....politics...whi ch I see NO solution to.....
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As a ps to the previous post....you said the FBB's asked for zero changes?.. .wrong... What they asked for was justice... which fell on deaf ears and was swept under the rug....Just for your edification, I've included a copy
of the official complaint that was presented at the IFBB meeting....you be the judge... it used the IFBB's own rules and code's as a basis for the complaint.... so you see Ron.... they have every right to be pissed....
October 11, 2005: Betty Pariso, IFBB Women?s Athlete Representative
In regards to: Bob Cicherello, IFBB Mens?s Athlete Representive
Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional Division
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
USA 15230
Attention: IFBB Professional Committee Members:
As the IFBB Women?s Representative I, Betty Pariso, am filing an official complaint on behalf of the IFBB Professional women in response to Bob Cicherello?s comments in FLEX Magazine. We are exercising our right to file a complaint pursuant to the IFBB Constitution Article 5.1, number 14 which states an object of the IFBB is ?to discipline Members whose acts are judged contrary to the Constitution and Rules.?
Please note the following excerpt from the article in question featured in FLEX magazine (September 2005 pg. 55) by Julian Schmidt:
CHICK ON CHICKS
Cicherillo explains, "It has never been viable. Year after year, women's bodybuilding has consistently lost money. One year, the Ms Olympia sold 38 tickets... 38! So the fans have spoken: from a business perspective, it
doesn?t make sense, because it doesn?t survive; nor can it survive. "It?s a niche market, say its advocates. No, men?s bodybuilding has its niche market; women?s bodybuilding has no market; what little market it has
is made up of schmoes and fetishists.
Women's bodybuilding is an oxymoron. Nothing in the term or the concept matches up. Beautiful, sexy and muscular do not make a harmonious package. Notice the hopeless desperate trend: when women?s bodybuilding became bestial and alienated all interest, women?s fitness had to be created to fill the gap.
When that became too muscular and abandoned its audience, it had to be replaced with figure. What?s next, bikini contests?
"There is something to be said when Ms. Olympia herself, Lenda Murray - a lovely feminine lady - drops out of the sport because it has become ugly. Sure, they train hard, but they should be trying to become better women, not better men. End it, once and for all. It?s dragging down the entire sport."
Our complaint is supported in several areas of the IFBB 2005 Professional Rules and the IFBB Constitution Code of Ethics:
Article 14.5, Unsportsmanlike Conduct: an athlete cannot attack another athlete, judge or official, whether verbally or through malicious innuendo, gossip and/or rumor mongering,
Article 14.6, Public comments (including, but not limited to, those made via print publications, websites, public gatherings or other public forums) by registered IFBB athletes or officials made against other athletes or officials,
the IFBB or the sport in general, which are deemed personal, abusive, slanderous, libelous or prejudicial to the good image of the sport, are contrary to the IFBB Code of Ethics and will result in disciplinary measures
being taken by the Pro Division against the person responsible for the comments.
Athletes section # 6 of the IFBB 2005 Constitution Code of Ethics: athletes should ?assist the IFBB in the promotion of the sport by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport in a positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the sport and the IFBB.?
We respectfully request the Professional Committee take action as per Section 14.5 of the IFBB Professional Rules which state: ?If an athlete attacks another athlete, judge or official, whether verbally or through malicious
innuendo, gossip and/or rumor mongering, that athlete will be subject to a fine of US $10,000.00 and a one year suspension.
Respectfully,
Betty Pariso, IFBB Athlete Representative
