It's all about genetics baby!! woot woot!!

[Woten]

i did my first cycle in the fall of 99 at age 27, 5'11" 220lbs., i was 242 by March 2000, i used 500mg. Sustenon/week and 5 pink d-bols per day.

Precisely, YET, Dante dogshit would have us believe that Ronnie - after using high doses of IFG1Lr3, GH, Insulin, Interleukins, and all manner of other shite (schmoe sperm etc) - has only managed to cobble together marginally more gains than your fragrant self?

Yeah ok, what a slag!

[sarcasm]

Precisely, YET, Dante dogshit would have us believe that Ronnie - after using high doses of IFG1lr3, GH, Insulin, Interleukins, and all manner of other shite (schmoe sperm etc) - has only managed to cobbled together marginally more gains than fragrant self?

Yeah ok, what a slag!

Dante's a moron who has been on mayhem too long where they all think it's about how much chicken and rice you eat i consider myself pretty average genetically and i even put on 20 pounds, Ronnie would be 215 completely natural.

[DOGGCRAPP]

300lbs and 253lbs (which was just speculation, I have no idea what he would be and you dont either) arent a big difference in your book?

[Woten]

Dante's a moron who has been on mayhem too long where they all think it's about how much chicken and rice you eat i consider myself pretty average genetically and i even put on 20 pounds, Ronnie would be 215 completely natural.

Exactly, shit, what next? Paul Dillets 'how to gain 15lbs in a year with Test/Anadrol/IGFand Insulin'

For fucks sake, did Dante read that crap before posting it?

Piss off back to Mayhem, someone 'might' give a fuck, failing that, I can start a thread about some cunt that sells eggwhites or some other shit?

[sarcasm]

yea 300lbs 

True Adonis said he talked to Ronnie at an expo once and Ronnie said his heaviest he was 262 on stage, and supplement companies inflate the numbers.

You are pulling shit out of your ass if you think Ronnie could 253lbs ripped naturally.   

monster honesty.

[Woten]

300lbs and 253lbs (which was just speculation, I have no idea what he would be and you dont either) arent a big difference in your book?

You speculated that Ron - if he had remained natural - would have grown to 253, thus, DE CUNTING FACTO, you believe Ron would have/has put on [based on the 253 hypothesis] only 40-50lbs (47lbs in this case) once gear had been introduced to the equation

www.sesamestreet.com

Just face it, you pulled the bullshit 253 figure out of your arse as part of your condescending 'look at me' post to Matt earlier

[sarcasm]

Garreath claims he has 254lbs of muscle.  hahahaha

hahaha, even at 242 i was FAR MORE than 18 percent, i'm man enough to admit that, i was pretty fat at that weight.

[DOGGCRAPP]

yea 300lbs 

True Adonis said he talked to Ronnie at an expo once and Ronnie said his heaviest he was 262 on stage, and supplement companies inflate the numbers.

You are pulling shit out of your ass if you think Ronnie could 253lbs ripped naturally.   

They did official weigh ins at the Ironman a couple years back and 5'8" Tom Prince weighed in at 276lbs and 6'2" Mohamed Anouti weighed in at 279lbs, are you going to say a 5'11" Ronnie is smaller than those guys? No way  

[Woten]

I went from 210 to 260 in a year naturally...then from 260 to 310 in another year w/ drugs (bout 18% bf the whole time - never dieted). Does this mean I'm a genetic god?  

Your'e a fucking hunk of a man, dont underestimate your ability to turn straight guys on yourself

[Woten]

They did official weigh ins at the Ironman a couple years back and 5'8" Tom Prince weighed in at 276lbs and 6'2" Mohamed Anouti weighed in at 279lbs, are you going to say a 5'11" Ronnie is smaller than those guys? No way  

shit, we are on the ropes now lads

Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims

FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue

Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along

nobody here gives a fuck either way,

[sarcasm]

shit, we are on the ropes now lads

Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims

FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue

Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along

nobody here gives a f]uck either way,

plus Tom had about 10 pounds of clothes on in that weighin, that was the one where all the competitors wore the big max Muscle long sleeved jerseys, sweatpants and shoes, plus Tom has a HUGE bone structure, much bigger than Ronnies so a lot of Toms weight is there.

[Woten]

If Ronnie is 5' 11" then Arnold must be 6' 5"

Shit, next you will be saying: 'hey doesnt ronnie look small next to a WAY UNDER 300lb Arnie and Triple HHH? even though they have suits on, I dont believe Ron is anywhere near 300lbs

Heaven forfend that anyone would make such a statement for fear of the little Colemaniacs running to the defence of their Speak and Spell loving moron idol

[DOGGCRAPP]

shit, we are on the ropes now lads

Note the TOTAL avoidance of the natural/juiced bodyweight claims

FFS, Dante, everyone knows TP is allergic to scales, True Adonis OWNED the dialysis loving wanker on that very issue

Just admit you pulled the figures out of your arse, then run along

nobody here gives a fuck either way,

Im not avoiding anything, you just dont make sense. You look at 47lbs of muscle mass like its pitiful. If a guy trained for 10 years natural and was 210 onstage ripped and then juiced and was 257lbs onstage he would be absolutely monstrous. 47lbs is incredible especially when its all muscle mass. Ronnie trained for a heck of a long time clean and built up a great deal of muscle mass clean. There is a huge difference between jumping on a stack in your second year of lifting and jumping on a stack after lifting clean for 10 years. There would of been a natural progression of things anyway

[Woten]

Im not avoiding anything, you just dont make sense. You look at 47lbs of muscle mass like its pitiful. If a guy trained for 10 years natural and was 210 onstage ripped and then juiced and was 257lbs onstage he would be absolutely monstrous. 47lbs is incredible especially when its all muscle mass. Ronnie trained for a heck of a long time clean and built up a great deal of muscle mass clean. There is a huge difference between jumping on a stack in your second year of lifting and jumping on a stack after lifting clean for 10 years. There would of been a natural progression of things anyway

OK, sit yourself down, change your [now dark orange] pissbag and listen

You claimed Ron would have a realistic off-season bodyweight of 270 if he had remained natural, fine...

... what is Rons current off-season bodyweight again?

At this point, you might now want to revise your line re: 'hey, 50lbs of muscle and fat gain from gear is a tremendous gain' although, I could care less if you want to make such a claim, you will only succeed in making yourself look quite the olympic level retard cunt

Please come back for a fourth time and tell us these figures have gone over your head

[alexxx]

Tom Prince is built like a cow without the cuts.

[DOGGCRAPP]

OK, sit yourself down, change your [now dark orange] pissbag and listen

You claimed Ron would have a realistic off-season bodyweight of 270 if he had remained natural, fine...

... what is Rons current off-season bodyweight again?

At this point, you might now want to revise your line re: 'hey, 50lbs of muscle and fat gain from gear is a tremendous gain' although, I could care less if you want to make such a claim, you will only succeed in making yourself look quite the olympic level retard cunt

Please come back for a fourth time and tell us these figures have gone over your head

330lbs offseason now....Im speculating he was 270 or so when he dieted down to 228 and probably was alot smoother than his 330 now if he is coming in at 300....your point? because you dont seem to have one. Your talking about the elite of genetics here where it really doesnt apply in the general sense of things

[Woten]

Out of curiosity, does anyone on here consider training to be a more important factor in bodybuilding than hormones?

On mayhem, that point of view seems to prevail where they want to attribute all their gains to juice.

To which I would respond: train naturally and compete.  Simple.

Jesus Matt, sometime you really do come across as a guy that has NEVER used (funny that, eh )

Matt, its ALL fucking important, the food, the training, the gear and the hot tranny action

THE THREE PILLARS

But, you cannot make a silk purse form a sows ear my friend

(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)

[sarcasm]

Jesus Matt, sometime you really do come across as a guy that has NEVER used (funny that, eh )

Matt, its ALL fucking important, the food, the training, the gear and the hot tranny action

THE THREE PILLARS

But, you cannot make a silk purse form a sows ear my friend

(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)

you mean "True Protein" isn't better than every other whey protein out there?

[alexxx]

you mean "True Protein" isn't better than every other whey protein out there?

Sarcasm you have a serious case of menstipation.

[Woten]

330lbs offseason now....Im speculating he was 270 or so when he dieted down to 228 and probably was alot smoother than his 330 now if he is coming in at 300....your point? because you dont seem to have one. Your talking about the elite of genetics here where it really doesnt apply in the general sense of things

JESUS, YOU HAVE JUST REPEATED MY POINT, WELL DONE, YOU HAVE NOW WON THE GOLD IN THE SIMPLETON 4X4 MEDLAY

You speculated Ron to have been 270.. natural, thus, you are de facto stating that Ron has only managed to put on 50lbs of mass (fat and muscle, based on an off-season weight of 320lb that we are all aware of)

MONSTER GAINS!!!!

BRUTAL BEEF WASHING SPAS!!!!!

[alexxx]

Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:

Looks awesome and he is natural!

[sarcasm]

Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:

what a shame he looked incredible there.

[DOGGCRAPP]

(BTW, shit supps from Dante are not part of the essentials)

Well since Trueprotein's customer list is a who's who of professional bodybuilders, national bodybuilders, and professional and college sports athletes, I have to tend to disagree with you. But hey this whole thread for you has been about "hey look at all the cussing i can do guys, aint I cool?" anyway so I wont give it a second thought

[Woten]

Here is a picture of Ronnie at the 1991 Nationals when he passed the drug test:

Matt, PM me a secure address, I fucking swear I am going to send you some Iranian test and  Russian D'Bol

You will have to arrange the hot tranny, BUT BY CHRIST, you need a fucking break, really!!!!

[sarcasm]

Well since Trueprotein's customer list is a who's who of professional bodybuilders, national bodybuilders, and professional and college sports athletes, I have to tend to disagree with you. But hey this whole thread for you has been about "hey look at all the cussing i can do guys, aint I cool?" anyway so I wont give it a second thought

come on you know that pro bodybuilders are the biggest paranoid copycats out there, one top guy takes something and the rest don't want to feel like they're at a disadvantage so they take it too regardless of whether they see anything from it.