The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...

[jwb]

If this makes sense, he's made a difference for the competitors, but what has he done for the industry as a whole?

he handled the Titus incident with the media pretty well.... the nbc interview was excellent saying titus had steered away from the sport long before things went to shit for him and kelly - not to mention their "personal assistant"

[Chick]

Answer the question instead of putting a spin on it!

Here's a few for starters...



I.  CALL TO ORDER

Mr. Manion welcomed and called the meeting to order at 4:00 p.m.

II.  AGENDA ITEMS

Women’s Bodybuilding    No Proposals    Betty Pariso
Fitness       No Proposals    Adela Garcia
Figure     No Proposals   Jenny Lynn
Men’s Bodybuilding   Eight Proposals    Bob Cicherillo

The following items were proposed and voted upon by members of the IFBB Professional Division Management Team:   

A. For all IFBB Pro competitions, a bodybuilder from Italy proposed having two weight classes; under 200 pounds and over 200 pounds. 

            Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

B. Upon the promoters approval, request registered IFBB Pro’s receive two free tickets to all IFBB sanctioned shows upon presentation of current IFBB Pro card.

          In regards to this proposal, the following items were discussed:

      - IFBB Pro’s must contact the promoter and request the tickets at least two weeks 
         prior to the competition date.
      - Must act accordingly
      - The tickets will be designated by the promoter.
      - IFBB Pro’s may be asked to participate and present trophy during competition.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

C.  Recommend the IFBB guarantee’s purses for IFBB sanctioned competitions.  Mr. Manion informed group that from this point forward, if a promoter did not pay the purse, he (Mr. Manion) would take on this expense and make all payments.   

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

D.  Recommend all official information related to IFBB competitions be added and updated accordingly on the official site of the IFBB, www.ifbb.com/Pro Division.  Mr. Tony Blinn is the webmaster for the site and all information related to competitions will be sent to him in a timely manner so he can post it.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

E.  Recommend judges individual scores to be made public after completion of contest.

- An IFBB judge will e-mail or fax scores to Tony Blinn to be posted on website. 

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

F. Recommend current IFBB scoring format be replaced by NPC system of scoring and/or amended, specifically the posing round.

-Eliminate posing round except for entertainment value.
-All registered male and female bodybuilding athletes must vote.  Registered athletes will be contacted by their respective athlete rep.  Please send vote responses to respective reps by 15 Dec 05. 
-Optional for the promoter to provide prize money or a trophy.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted however, awaiting voting results from registered athletes (Item Open).

G.  Recommend a mandatory number of athletes (4 – 6) be provided free airfare/hotel costs by the promoter.

 - This item is left to the discretion of each promoter.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

H.  Recommend Olympia qualifying placing to extend to next highest placing athletes in the event of athletes already being qualified in the top three.

- If top three are already qualified for the Olympia, then the fourth place will winner will qualify for the Olympia.
- If the top four have already qualified for the Olympia, no additional qualifications will be permitted.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

I.  Recommend purse of IFBB sanctioned shows to have a mandatory increase of 10% of total purse, every third year of shows existence (applicable to shows with total purse under 50K).  Shows with 50K + purse to increase 5% every third year.

- Promoters will try to increase prize money when possible however, they strongly disagree with being mandated to increase the prize money.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was denied.

III. CLOSING COMMENTS:

- In regards to registered IFBB athletes competing and/or providing seminars to other organizations, the following rule from the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), will be enforced: 

[jwb]

Ok - first Mr. Intenseone - give me an update of your training with Rory. Now to your question, and since I met you at the Ironman - are you serious

Lets just go back ten years.  Did you think 10 years ago that the Olympia, Ironman, Arnold, Colorado Pro would have expos the size of what we have now with hundreds of booths and companies coming to support. Did you think that you would have 20,000+ people going through these expos.  Do you not see the prize money go to record heights in the Olympia. Very well at the Arnold. The Colorado Pro.

If you remember 10 years ago, even at the Olympia in Long Beach and New York, all they were was the show, and about 20 booths. That is it. Same with the Arnold, in the old VIP Dinner room. Look at these events now.

With the rise of supplement companies, starting with Metrx, ABB and others, they brought more money into the sport than ever before. At least 40-80 pros and many amatuers have some sort of contracts, maybe even more.

Nothing was like this 10 years ago. And if you can't even admit that - get real. 

Lets get ready to rumble on Getbig...

 

I think Joe (INTENSEONE)is talking more about the moral state of the sport more than anything... the girl side of thing es[pecially has gone straight into the gutter...

[Chick]

In addition...I've set up a Group Health Plan for all IFBB pro's,
helped increase the prize money,
increased the purse for places 11-20/ Olympia to $4,000 ea. where previously it was 0,
 helped in seetting up a financial team to help athletes with investing/ 401K,
 and a legal team to help in filing suit on companies using athletes pics/ images without consent.
worked with the Olympia promoter to get the women back on the main stage/ Olympia.
set up the ist annual Flex Awards last year awarding $1,000 to each athlete voted the best in their category

need more?

[jwb]

Wait a second chick...

did you table a proposal from a single (1) athlete regarding weight divisions?

why can't you table a proposal from a single athlete regarding competing in another league then instead of needing a majority of athletes asking for it as you keep saying?

[rocket]

In addition...I've set up a Group Health Plan for all IFBB pro's,
helped increase the prize money,
increased the purse for places 11-20/ Olympia to $4,000 ea. where previously it was 0,
 helped in seetting up a financial team to help athletes with investing/ 401K,
 and a legal team to help in filing suit on companies using athletes pics/ images without consent.
worked with the Olympia promoter to get the women back on the main stage/ Olympia.
set up the ist annual Flex Awards last year awarding $1,000 to each athlete voted the best in their category

need more?

I notice there were no proposals by Betty, shouldn't she be the one getting womens bodybuilding back on the olympia stage?

[Ron]

I notice there were no proposals by Betty, shouldn't she be the one getting womens bodybuilding back on the olympia stage?

It was noted before that Bob, the IFBB rep for the men had 8 motions, while the other reps (figure, fitness, female bodybuilding) didn't have any. None. Zero.  Here is hoping that the next meeting, they will have a few set down in writing so they can be discussed at the meeting. (They need to be sent in before the meeting, I think)

[Chick]

Wait a second chick...

did you table a proposal from a single (1) athlete regarding weight divisions?

why can't you table a proposal from a single athlete regarding competing in another league then instead of needing a majority of athletes asking for it as you keep saying?

That wasn't my proposal...



Rocket-

That was last years meeting. I'm sure Betty has a few for this year on the womens side.

I'm on the Olympia commitee, and do what I can for ALKL athletes, not just the men.

[jwb]

That wasn't my proposal

So a pro can lobby the pro commitee directly without going through you then?

[Mr. Intenseone]

Ok - first Mr. Intenseone - give me an update of your training with Rory. Now to your question, and since I met you at the Ironman - are you serious

Lets just go back ten years.  Did you think 10 years ago that the Olympia, Ironman, Arnold, Colorado Pro would have expos the size of what we have now with hundreds of booths and companies coming to support. Did you think that you would have 20,000+ people going through these expos.  Do you not see the prize money go to record heights in the Olympia. Very well at the Arnold. The Colorado Pro.

If you remember 10 years ago, even at the Olympia in Long Beach and New York, all they were was the show, and about 20 booths. That is it. Same with the Arnold, in the old VIP Dinner room. Look at these events now.

With the rise of supplement companies, starting with Metrx, ABB and others, they brought more money into the sport than ever before. At least 40-80 pros and many amatuers have some sort of contracts, maybe even more.

Nothing was like this 10 years ago. And if you can't even admit that - get real. 

Lets get ready to rumble on Getbig...

 

As far as Rory and I, we'll start training next week sometime, his wife is having some health issues, I already started!

Now, I'm in full agreement what the suppliment companies are doing at the expos and since you mentioned it there are alot of people that go through those expos......more than attend the show, great for the suppliment companies not so great for attendance....so who making the money? Beside's Ron, I'm talking about the legitimacy of the industry. Seems to me if someone really wanted to make the industry better they would clean it up and........again, make it more appealing to the general public. The rule books are basically holding the "ahtletes" accountable for their actions but the officials refuse to enforce those rules.....why?

[rocket]

Interesting question

[Mr. Intenseone]

I think Joe (INTENSEONE)is talking more about the moral state of the sport more than anything... the girl side of thing es[pecially has gone straight into the gutter...

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Chick....why are you posting these meeting? I already said you have done alot for the competitors.......it the industry as a whole...thats what I'm talking about and that starts with enforcing the written rules.

[Chick]

So a pro can lobby the pro commitee directly without going through you then?

It was some guy from Italy, I'm not sure what his position was...

The whole purpose of a representative, is that they reflect the general ideas/ requests from the entire group...single requests will be considered, but not necessarily submitted.

[Mr. Intenseone]

As far as Rory and I, we'll start training next week sometime, his wife is having some health issues, I already started!

Now, I'm in full agreement what the suppliment companies are doing at the expos and since you mentioned it there are alot of people that go through those expos......more than attend the show, great for the suppliment companies not so great for attendance....so who making the money? Beside's Ron, I'm talking about the legitimacy of the industry. Seems to me if someone really wanted to make the industry better they would clean it up and........again, make it more appealing to the general public. The rule books are basically holding the "ahtletes" accountable for their actions but the officials refuse to enforce those rules.....why?

A little correction...I meant to say that there are more people that attend the expos than the shows themselves. While at the Ironman I ran into alot of people that said that they are there for the expo and not the show!

[Chick]

I've got a better question...what have you, Chick or any other IFBB official done to better the INDUSTRY (it's not a sport)? Please Remind me. I've been either in or around this industry for the last 32 years and it's gone to shit!!

Probably because THIS is your post...

Furthering the athletes IS furthering the sport/ industry.

What would you suggest we do?

[jwb]

It was some guy from Italy, I'm not sure what his position was...

The whole purpose of a representative, is that they reflect the general ideas/ requests from the entire group...single requests will be considered, but not necessarily submitted.

I know the purpose of a rep but thanks for the clarification...

So how did an italian guy bypass the athlete's rep and get his proposal before the pro committee? gotta hand it to him...

[Mr. Intenseone]

Probably because THIS is your post...

Furthering the athletes IS furthering the sport/ industry.

What would you suggest we do?

1. Start with enforcing the rules as they are written, they seem pretty clear, if they don't seem clear, hire a council (Attorney) to interprate. That goes for anything that would be degrading to the industry (doing porn, caught or arrested for drug possession etc,etc).

2. Suspend anyone under investigation for anything illegal until they have been ex honerated.

3. Anyone found guilty before an appeals board are to be sanctioned.

These are just a few.

Look, if you want to play like the big boys (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc) you have to act like the big boys!

Also, you would think since the IFBB has been a federation for about 75 years there would be alot more prize money instead of dividing $500,000 between 18 or so competitors. Shit, I was watching Beyond the Glory the other day with Tony Hawk (a skateborder) and this guy was pulling down $10mil deals!

[thisiskeith12]

I still think live score updates via scoreboards are needed. There is still no logical reason NOT to have such.

[onlyme]

1. Start with enforcing the rules as they are written, they seem pretty clear, if they don't seem clear, hire a council (Attorney) to interprate. That goes for anything that would be degrading to the industry (doing porn, caught or arrested for drug possession etc,etc).

2. Suspend anyone under investigation for anything illegal until they have been ex honerated.

3. Anyone found guilty before an appeals board are to be sanctioned.

These are just a few.

Look, if you want to play like the big boys (MLB, NBA, NFL, etc) you have to act like the big boys!

Also, you would think since the IFBB has been a federation for about 75 years there would be alot more prize money instead of dividing $500,000 between 18 or so competitors. Shit, I was watching Beyond the Glory the other day with Tony Hawk (a skateborder) and this guy was pulling down $10mil deals!

Tony is an idol to millions of kids around the world.  Not many people want to be BB when they grow up.  Tony is a huge marketing magnet.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Tony is an idol to millions of kids around the world.  Not many people want to be BB when they grow up.  Tony is a huge marketing magnet.

Point being Keith, IFBB has been around for 75+ years and hasn't done a fraction of what skatebording has done in 15years...shit, even 5 years for that matter!

[timfogarty]

E.  Recommend judges individual scores to be made public after completion of contest.

- An IFBB judge will e-mail or fax scores to Tony Blinn to be posted on website.

Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote:  Motion was accepted.

am I missing something?  on the ifbb pro division website I see the scores broken down by round, but not by judge.

[jwb]

am I missing something?  on the ifbb pro division website I see the scores broken down by round, but not by judge.

I was gonna mention that one next...

[Adam Empire]

empire had a technical point about the rule book not being enforced and noone above mike in that show being tested for diddly as per the rule book requirement...

Exactly.  Mike is this one who followed the rules - looking the best he could clean (yes, I do know it was for health reasons). BUT...  he did follow the rules none the less.  I am willing to bet he was the only one clean and IF the rules were followed he would be $120,000 + a new car richer.  That is why I think he (or others in a similar position) could sue the IFBB.

[newmom]

Yeah, and Derek Anthony will give up his man-whoring to become a Doctor, and help out children in South America..........

i dont normally agree with u but that is fucking classic lmaoooooooooooooo

[donrhummy]

I really don't understand you guys here. Is the IFBB/system perfect? I agree: no way, far from it. Is Bob Chick doing a crappy job as rep? No way, far from it. He's done a LOT with what little he's been given. Remember, as athlete rep Shawn Ray said he got nothing done because the position was powerless and no one would listen to him. Well, Bob Chick took that position and as he pointed out, brought health insurance to the athletes as well as money for all non-placing athletes (in addition to other things). That's pretty impressive.

And while I am all for competition (and hope the PDI brings good benefits for bodybuilders), is it a mere coincidence that Wayne leaves the IFBB and suddenly the athlete rep is able to get those benefits for the bodybuilders?