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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2006, 12:04:10 AM »
But why should the worst BB get more money? Isnt capitalysemd based on competition?
A CEO can get millions but he got 30K employes that work for minimum wager,is that wrong?
Should everyone get the same salary? You do know that communisem didnt worked well....

As I said before,the IFBB job isnt to pay them.If they get an andorsment deal they will get money and to get that they need to deserve it.The IFBB pays the top since the top is what people come to see.

Do you really think that is you take you the top 5-8 at the O they will fill 5K seats? Hell no.

But- if the firm was losing money, and 90% of the employees were below the poverty level, things would have to be re-examined.  If they were selling off company picnics and selling accounts left and right because they didn't have the resources to sustain, the stockholders would have the right and duty to remove mgmt and put in a new regime.

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« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2006, 12:06:45 AM »
But- if the firm was losing money, and 90% of the employees were below the poverty level, things would have to be re-examined.  If they were selling off company picnics and selling accounts left and right because they didn't have the resources to sustain, the stockholders would have the right and duty to remove mgmt and put in a new regime.


1.The stockholders are Joe and Ben Weider.
2.Its the employes problem they are poor,they can change jobs.
3.Are you sure the IFBB is losing money?

Talk facts dont start a hypotetical discussion about what the non existent stock holders should do.

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« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2006, 12:07:45 AM »
I think a real degree would be in medicine or exercise science. That takes plenty of intelligence to comprehend. I do some engineering in my factory making gym equipment. I enjoy the challenge of making good equipment that works and is used by my members at my gym.

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« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2006, 12:12:41 AM »
I think a real degree would be in medicine or exercise science. That takes plenty of intelligence to comprehend. I do some engineering in my factory making gym equipment. I enjoy the challenge of making good equipment that works and is used by my members at my gym.

Engineering includes tons of science in it.We basicly do the same courses as Physics or Math majors.
I study EE engineering so its quite high in the science requirement.

I personly think that medicine is overated,most of its is memorizing.But I got lots of respect for people who research medicine.Practicing it seems easier to me.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2006, 12:15:12 AM »
1.The stockholders are Joe and Ben Weider.
2.Its the employes problem they are poor,they can change jobs.
3.Are you sure the IFBB is losing money?

Talk facts dont start a hypotetical discussion about what the non existent stock holders should do.

AMI is the company which puts on Flex and the O.  IFBB just collects a sanction fee.  And yes, I am sure AMI is losing money.

And yes, the men can change jobs.  PDi is coming to town :)

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2006, 12:17:41 AM »
AMI is the company which puts on Flex and the O.  IFBB just collects a sanction fee.  And yes, I am sure AMI is losing money.

And yes, the men can change jobs.  PDi is coming to town :)


So...whats your damn point?! The IFBB is hardly related yet all the complains are towards them. ::)

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2006, 12:18:58 AM »
1.The stockholders are Joe and Ben Weider.

that's the problem.  they want to claim they are a non profit sports federation, and if they are, then the athletes are the equivalent of their stock holders

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2.Its the employes problem they are poor,they can change jobs.

that's another problem.  the IFBB is for all pratical purposes a monopoly, and they are using their monopoly powers to intimidate athletes from entering the NOC.

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3.Are you sure the IFBB is losing money?

shows are losing money, but the IFBB and NPC still get their membership dues and contest fees

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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2006, 12:22:44 AM »
that's the problem.  they want to claim they are a non profit sports federation, and if they are, then the athletes are the equivalent of their stock holders

that's another problem.  the IFBB is for all pratical purposes a monopoly, and they are using their monopoly powers to intimidate athletes from entering the NOC.

shows are losing money, but the IFBB and NPC still get their membership dues and contest fees

1.You can think the athletes are equivalent but you arent the one to decide it.There are specific laws for that.

2.Since its a federation you cant call it a monopoly,they have no real power.If someone with enough money will come to get something good they will lose thier status.Fact is all previous attempts were lame.

3.Since suposedly have no direct control over the contests they have no way to intemidate athletes out of anything.

4.Its the shows problem they lose money,no one make them keep doing them.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2006, 12:42:47 AM »
AMI is the company which puts on Flex and the O.  IFBB just collects a sanction fee.  And yes, I am sure AMI is losing money.

And yes, the men can change jobs.  PDi is coming to town :)


Rob dammit you're still online bro? We all went to bed 1-2hrs ago and you're still here!  :o
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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2006, 01:02:27 AM »
1.You can think the athletes are equivalent but you arent the one to decide it.There are specific laws for that.
What laws are you talking about.  You mean "rules".  And Joe and Ben wrote those rules to benefit themselves not the athlete.  Thats a fact that is non-disputable by anyone.  The athletes are not equal.  Manion and Weider have dictated in the past who will win.  That to is a fact.  As much as I would love to name names (and one is obvious), there are 3 others still with the IFBB and NPC that I know and are in constant contact with.  I don't know anything that these people who are right there in the thick of things know.

2.Since its a federation you cant call it a monopoly,they have no real power.If someone with enough money will come to get something good they will lose thier status.Fact is all previous attempts were lame.
Hello McFly!  No power!  Are they not telling their members what to do with their lives.  Are they not controlling how their members make money.  Even when not competing.  Ummmmmm?  Things that make you go ummmmmmmmm?

3.Since suposedly have no direct control over the contests they have no way to intemidate athletes out of anything.
Sorry but aren't they controlling who enters the contests.  Just wondering.  Do you not have to have a pro card from the IFBB to compete.  So in essence they control the contests.  DO they not require a entrance fee and sanction fee.  Are they not the governing body of shows.  Aren't the judges IFBB?  Doesn't the IFBB govern the rules of how the show is to be judged?  And isn't their a closed door meeting with the judges before major contests?  you are right, the IFBB has no control over the contests. 


4.Its the shows problem they lose money,no one make them keep doing them.
The only point which is 100% correct!  And they are some of the dumbest people on the planet.  Except a select few.  Does anyone think the IFBB would step forward to promote shows if every promoter would quit.  NO Way! That is a great employer!    Has there been any proof over the years that steroids fuck up a person mind so much they see stuff thats not there and they believe the IFBB cares about them.  Just wondering



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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2006, 01:03:44 AM »
But why should the worst BB get more money? Isnt capitalysemd based on competition?
A CEO can get millions but he got 30K employes that work for minimum wager,is that wrong?
Should everyone get the same salary? You do know that communisem didnt worked well....

As I said before,the IFBB job isnt to pay them.If they get an andorsment deal they will get money and to get that they need to deserve it.The IFBB pays the top since the top is what people come to see.

Do you really think that is you take you the top 5-8 at the O they will fill 5K seats? Hell no.

Anna Kornikova comes to mind.  As does Sean Ray.  Sorry Anna.  They were not the best and they did not win the majority of the time but they made as much money as the #1 guy.

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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2006, 01:07:02 AM »
1.The stockholders are Joe and Ben Weider.
2.Its the employes problem they are poor,they can change jobs.
3.Are you sure the IFBB is losing money?

Talk facts dont start a hypotetical discussion about what the non existent stock holders should do.

The IFBB itself is NOT losing money.  HOW?  What costs do they have that could possibly put them in the red. Salaries are the biggest expense.  Basically all the IFBB does is collect money.  They print a half ass magazine, no way spent more than $300 on their website (no bash on you Rob), they don't even pay for travel to the shows.  The promoter pays everything.  And like I said Manion spends as much as he can when he travels to.  Example: $40,000 a week in Vegas for him and his family.

For the Olympia alone right now they are getting paid $400,000 from AMI and a major percentage of the GROSS receipts.  YOu do the addition.  Thats just the Olympia

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2006, 01:14:19 AM »
Anna Kornikova comes to mind.  As does Sean Ray.  Sorry Anna.  They were not the best and they did not win the majority of the time but they made as much money as the #1 guy.

Anna never made most  of her money of contests,she was basicly a model that had a niche as an athelte.

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« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2006, 01:17:49 AM »
Anna never made most  of her money of contests,she was basicly a model that had a niche as an athelte.

Yes but she didn't make it big because she was a model playing tennis.  She made it big from being a tennis player who modeled.  She got paid a million dollars to play in tournaments she was certain to lose.  Cause when she played the stands were packed.

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« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2006, 01:20:04 AM »
Yes but she didn't make it big because she was a model playing tennis.  She made it big from being a tennis player who modeled.  She got paid a million dollars to play in tournaments she was certain to lose.  Cause when she played the stands were packed.

When low tier Kamali type will get milions to buy tickets and shoes or whatever Im sure he will get better pay.

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« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2006, 01:50:50 AM »
Let me spell out what has happened to bodybuilding and compare that to other sports.

Let suppose a family is watching TV and the Superbowl is on. I bet a lot of boys would dream of playing in the Superbowl one day. Young black lads might imagine themselves being a top basketball player. Others want to be the fastest man and so on. All of those dreams are 'possible' in the sense that kids don't really know how tall they are going to be and most know they can get bigger and stronger by lifting weights, etc. The dream exists as long as it might be possible to achieve. I think people watch and go to games because they like the spectacle and know that the athletes trained long and hard to be where they are today. Same goes for tennis and lots of other sports. As long as you have a lot of people wanting to be a champion in that sport the audiences will be there and sponsors naturally advertise the popular sports and its stars.

Has anyone considered semantics and bodybuilding? I mention this in the lead up about what I want to say. Well, in most of the world 'fat' is a negative word. Having a fat body is not something anyone dreams about getting and most fat people feel ashamed of their size and weight. There are people who admire those fat people so it is not all gloom for them. Anyway, if 'fat' is bad then you would think that 'muscle' is good. Our soft tissue is composed mostly of muscle or fat. If both are bad what the heck is good about the human body? Well, I guess the absence of too much fat and not too much muscle.

Okay, suppose a movie is on TV and Superman is the hero. Won't kids want to be big and strong like Superman? The same goes for Tarzan, Hercules and many other superheroes. It is natural for kids to dream about transcending themselves and being someone better. Surely having a muscular body is an advantage in our society? Well, up to a point. You can have abs and look athletic but you don't want to be too big? Why not get really big? Well, society over the millennia have declared that people with big muscles are all brawn and no brain, or wanting big muscles is not smart and is not what good people do or want. They don't want to be fat, either, because that implies one is excessive re indulgence and lacks control. Imagine if a report comes on TV and a family are watching the guys pose. What do you think the comments will be? I have witnessed this exact thing happening. The young lads all said out loud, "They use steroids!" Were the kids wrong? Were mum and dad wrong? Nope, they were spot on unless a natural bodybuilding contest was featured. We all know that seldom happens.

So the bottom line is no one wants anything to do with steroid users and goodness knows what else bodybuilders use to prepare for some contests. How on earth did such a great pastime degenerate into the biggest drug sport on the planet? Imagine if professional athletes in other sports could use any drugs at all to compete. Does anyone believe that would be tolerated by the public? No, and that is why those caught cause scandals.

The plain truth is no one wants to associate with an activity that requires dangerous drugs to win. That is a fact and that is what is buried under the carpet and that is why bodybuilding sucks. I am ashamed of bodybuilding and what it has become. Gone is the healthy look that we used to boast about. We knew we were healthier and not only stronger than the unconditioned and smaller people. The benefits of resistance training outweighed the criticism and knocks and we plodded on and enterred contests for the title and trophy alone. It wasn't necessary to win money or prizes. The championship physique was enough reward. What a shame champions are not celebrated universally and rewarded for their excellence. Instead most are bagged as desperate idiots who don't care for their health or longevity.

Bob comes on here arguing about what is best for professional bodybuilders. Yeah, sure. He hasn't convinced me and he will never convince the public while this sport is drug-infested. He and the other officials are a laughing stock and have no credibility from other sports or organizations. What could have been has been squandered because they were too concerned about dominating and controlling bodybuilding instead of promoting the sport to the public.

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« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2006, 02:23:01 AM »
Let me spell out what has happened to bodybuilding and compare that to other sports.

Let suppose a family is watching TV and the Superbowl is on. I bet a lot of boys would dream of playing in the Superbowl one day. Young black lads might imagine themselves being a top basketball player. Others want to be the fastest man and so on. All of those dreams are 'possible' in the sense that kids don't really know how tall they are going to be and most know they can get bigger and stronger by lifting weights, etc. The dream exists as long as it might be possible to achieve. I think people watch and go to games because they like the spectacle and know that the athletes trained long and hard to be where they are today. Same goes for tennis and lots of other sports. As long as you have a lot of people wanting to be a champion in that sport the audiences will be there and sponsors naturally advertise the popular sports and its stars.

Has anyone considered semantics and bodybuilding? I mention this in the lead up about what I want to say. Well, in most of the world 'fat' is a negative word. Having a fat body is not something anyone dreams about getting and most fat people feel ashamed of their size and weight. There are people who admire those fat people so it is not all gloom for them. Anyway, if 'fat' is bad then you would think that 'muscle' is good. Our soft tissue is composed mostly of muscle or fat. If both are bad what the heck is good about the human body? Well, I guess the absence of too much fat and not too much muscle.

Okay, suppose a movie is on TV and Superman is the hero. Won't kids want to be big and strong like Superman? The same goes for Tarzan, Hercules and many other superheroes. It is natural for kids to dream about transcending themselves and being someone better. Surely having a muscular body is an advantage in our society? Well, up to a point. You can have abs and look athletic but you don't want to be too big? Why not get really big? Well, society over the millennia have declared that people with big muscles are all brawn and no brain, or wanting big muscles is not smart and is not what good people do or want. They don't want to be fat, either, because that implies one is excessive re indulgence and lacks control. Imagine if a report comes on TV and a family are watching the guys pose. What do you think the comments will be? I have witnessed this exact thing happening. The young lads all said out loud, "They use steroids!" Were the kids wrong? Were mum and dad wrong? Nope, they were spot on unless a natural bodybuilding contest was featured. We all know that seldom happens.

So the bottom line is no one wants anything to do with steroid users and goodness knows what else bodybuilders use to prepare for some contests. How on earth did such a great pastime degenerate into the biggest drug sport on the planet? Imagine if professional athletes in other sports could use any drugs at all to compete. Does anyone believe that would be tolerated by the public? No, and that is why those caught cause scandals.

The plain truth is no one wants to associate with an activity that requires dangerous drugs to win. That is a fact and that is what is buried under the carpet and that is why bodybuilding sucks. I am ashamed of bodybuilding and what it has become. Gone is the healthy look that we used to boast about. We knew we were healthier and not only stronger than the unconditioned and smaller people. The benefits of resistance training outweighed the criticism and knocks and we plodded on and enterred contests for the title and trophy alone. It wasn't necessary to win money or prizes. The championship physique was enough reward. What a shame champions are not celebrated universally and rewarded for their excellence. Instead most are bagged as desperate idiots who don't care for their health or longevity.

Bob comes on here arguing about what is best for professional bodybuilders. Yeah, sure. He hasn't convinced me and he will never convince the public while this sport is drug-infested. He and the other officials are a laughing stock and have no credibility from other sports or organizations. What could have been has been squandered because they were too concerned about dominating and controlling bodybuilding instead of promoting the sport to the public.



You shuold seriously make cliff notes to your posts.lol

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2006, 11:50:22 AM »
that's the problem.  they want to claim they are a non profit sports federation, and if they are, then the athletes are the equivalent of their stock holders

that's another problem.  the IFBB is for all pratical purposes a monopoly, and they are using their monopoly powers to intimidate athletes from entering the NOC.

shows are losing money, but the IFBB and NPC still get their membership dues and contest fees

And if the ones who have never made a dime of the IFBB changed jobs you would have about 10 ifbb pros left.

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« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2006, 12:06:20 PM »
And if the ones who have never made a dime of the IFBB changed jobs you would have about 10 ifbb pros left.

So? Whats the point? That the IFBB should be a charity organization now? It should donate lame BB money so they can drug themself with no future in the sport?

Lee before I saw your posts I THOUGHT you are a cry baby,after seeing them I KNOW you are THE cry baby.

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« Reply #119 on: August 04, 2006, 12:07:53 PM »
So? Whats the point? That the IFBB should be a charity organization now? It should donate lame BB money so they can drug themself with no future in the sport?

Lee before I saw your posts I THOUGHT you are a cry baby,after seeing them I KNOW you are THE cry baby.
you're just angry that Lee tells the truth.
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« Reply #120 on: August 04, 2006, 12:13:00 PM »
you're just angry that Lee tells the truth.


Why the hell would I be angry? I have nothing to win or gain from either sides.
Fact is Lee AAAAALWAYS complain.

As Ronnie said "WHY!! complain :D "

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« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2006, 12:50:02 PM »

As Ronnie said "WHY!! complain :D "

That's like Donald Trump telling a homeless person, Hey, cheer up?

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« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2006, 01:08:21 PM »

Why the hell would I be angry? I have nothing to win or gain from either sides.
Fact is Lee AAAAALWAYS complain.

As Ronnie said "WHY!! complain :D "

I think complaining is different from stating facts and speaking his mind.  Lee has as much if not more insight on the IFBB than anyone one here.  How can you argue with someone knows volumes more than you doabout the IFBB,Manion, Weiners and the BB industry.

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« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2006, 01:17:12 PM »

The plain truth is the sport is dead. Especially women's bodybuilding. You guys haven't accepted it yet. The whole darn sport is contaminated. Everyone who has some muscle is tarred by the same brush that you officially are doing bugger all about. Steroids, other drugs, diuretics, synthol, silicon, and who knows what else is used to enhance a physique instead of building muscle. You guys have lost the plot. The fact that DeMilia is waiting in the wings with his alternative contests means you cannot do drug testing in a rigid and strict fashion because most of the big guys would go over there unless and until they test, too.



Vince,

While your point about rampant drug use is valid, I think the powers-that-be in the IFBB realize something you are not considering. If they tested stringently for drugs, then amateurs would be bigger and more cut than the pros. And if that were the case, why would casual bodybuilders go to shows or buy magazines of guys who are smaller than themselves? Why would a non-bodybuilder want to buy legit supplements or read about training secrets from guys who are smaller than his own cousin Tony, with the acne? Professional bodybuilding and the entire industry would fold like a lawnchair overnight. It would suddenly be that much more obvious to the average guy who hadn't already figured it out that the drugs were more responsible for the pro's size than their supposed work ethic and nutritional regimen. Look at Hulk Hogan for an example.

Sure, pros have good genetics, but it's their genetic response to juice that sets them apart. If anabolic compounds did not exist, I'd wager that only a third of the top current pros would still be on a competitive stage. It's so easy for them to say it's not all about the juice while they are still on the juice.

At least in established sports like track, football and soccer, the best in the world clearly had a gift before their first cycle. You often see and hear the story of the once-skinny bodybuilder who became a giant, but you don't hear too many stories of the slow kid who went on to become a speed demon. Since bodybuilding is only about muscle, and not about god given fast-twitch fibers or a natural ability to make good split-second decisions, the most naturally gifted and hard working are not the ones getting pro cards. Can you imagine the heat track and field would take if the best runners in the world actually became slower, once they turned pro and started getting tested for drugs? Would anyone watch the Tour de France if the competitors used to be faster and better as non-tested amateurs? That is what would happen if the IFBB tested for drugs.

So while it may sound like I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not. In fact, I'm going one step further and say this; since anabolics cannot be uninvented, and since steroid users in the general population have little or no fear of seeing a jail cell, bodybuilding will not only continue to die, but this demise was an inexorable part of a larger sequence of events that began long ago. The non-prosecution or persecution of casual users by the Fed means that the IFBB's hands are tied. The IFBB can't let the gap between what their athletes and the general population look like falter or reverse itself and still expect to be in business. And even if the Fed started going after casual users, they'd soon have to go after the more obvious users, such as pro athletes and bodybuilders or risk a public outcry of "Payoff!"

As bad as drugs are for bodybuilders, and as bad as they are for bodybuilding, the genie is out of the bottle. Remove them at this point and no one will bother watching bodybuilders at all. They'll just go see their cousin Tony, who has bad acne, but can bench a truck and has arms two inches bigger than the pros.

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Re: IFBB Rules? Is Lee Priest right?
« Reply #124 on: August 04, 2006, 01:20:31 PM »
They'll just go see their cousin Tony, who has bad acne, but can bench a truck and has arms two inches bigger than the pros.

Tony is cool.