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xpac2 · « **Reply #125 on:** August 11, 2006, 05:28:31 PM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on August 11, 2006, 11:28:08 AM

Monster blue thong

Vince B · « **Reply #126 on:** August 11, 2006, 05:59:32 PM »

The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.

I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.

He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.

I missed exchanging posts with The Adonis. For what it is worth I have to say that muscle size is easy to lose if you go on a diet. The body loses muscle before fat. At least that is what it does when you get older. Lots of guys look huge about 6 weeks out from a contest then appear on stage in a quite depleted condition. I cite Dorian Yates for example.

Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.

michael arvilla · « **Reply #127 on:** August 11, 2006, 06:44:38 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on August 11, 2006, 05:59:32 PM

The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.

I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.

He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.

I missed exchanging posts with The Adonis. For what it is worth I have to say that muscle size is easy to lose if you go on a diet. The body loses muscle before fat. At least that is what it does when you get older. Lots of guys look huge about 6 weeks out from a contest then appear on stage in a quite depleted condition. I cite Dorian Yates for example.

Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.

id like to believe I'm man enough to admit when im wrong................... ....

i was wrong............i apologize

Mike

Vince B · « **Reply #128 on:** August 11, 2006, 06:55:19 PM »

No worries, Mike. There are so many people using fake ID online that everyone has a right to be sceptical. I never post as anyone else online. I guess it takes guts to post using our real names. I wish more people would do that. It might stop most of the nastiness around here. On the other hand there is a lot of stirring going on and in real life I am one of the best stirrers. You people haven't seen that side of me yet!

Mr. Michael Moore · « **Reply #129 on:** August 11, 2006, 06:58:50 PM »

Hello, everyone !

Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.

Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....

Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....

The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:

BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS FUCK FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.

I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!

Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.

At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.

Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!

I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.

It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.

And that's that!

HERACLES · « **Reply #130 on:** August 11, 2006, 07:05:18 PM »

Quote from: BroadStreetBruiser on August 11, 2006, 02:55:07 PM

500% less gay

Yeah he had an awesome physique back in the NGA days. AWESOME hamstrings..I remember we wer ein the pump up room, getting ready and he was cool as ice, just had his headphones on, relaxing..lol..

xpac2 · « **Reply #131 on:** August 12, 2006, 12:14:25 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Michael Moore on August 11, 2006, 06:58:50 PM

Hello, everyone !

Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.

Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....

Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....

The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:

BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS f**k FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.

I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!

Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.

At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.

Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!

I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.

It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.

And that's that!

Me1tdown

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #132 on:** August 12, 2006, 01:50:50 PM »

I have just read this thread shaking my head. You guys have a guy (Vince) who is a master engineer of exercise equipment posting on this board and he gets put down. Vince come back to the good site. Vince is 64 and training without juice. I bet he looks better than you 20,30, and 40 year old juice heads when you go off the sauce for 6 months. Saying Vince's physique was nothing special while comparing him to GH,steroid, insulin, synthol, speed, thyroid, HCG and anti estrogen using cosmetic freaks makes me embarrassed to be interested in bodybuilding.

On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.

dorkeroo · « **Reply #133 on:** August 12, 2006, 04:50:46 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on August 12, 2006, 01:50:50 PM

I have just read this thread shaking my head. You guys have a guy (Vince) who is a master engineer of exercise equipment posting on this board and he gets put down. Vince come back to the good site. Vince is 64 and training without juice. I bet he looks better than you 20,30, and 40 year old juice heads when you go off the sauce for 6 months. Saying Vince's physique was nothing special while comparing him to GH,steroid, insulin, synthol, speed, thyroid, HCG and anti estrogen using cosmetic freaks makes me embarrassed to be interested in bodybuilding.

On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.

Asking for logical, reasonable thoughts on this board is like asking a bear to shit in a toilet. Maybe try the other boards around here like the Bodybuilding Fans one. It might be more to your taste. Cheers.

Laura Lee · « **Reply #134 on:** August 12, 2006, 05:02:40 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on August 12, 2006, 01:50:50 PM

On a side note anyone who says they beat drug abuse and then sticks a syringe of anabolic steroids into his butt is a fool you can't debate with.

Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.

Vince B · « **Reply #135 on:** August 12, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »

It is a challenge to post on this board and avoid being bagged by someone. It is an interesting forum and open slather. I don't participate in bagging others but I am sure I give some a few serves myself. In person, I don't take any crap at all. Guess these boards sort of level the playing field.

I am amazed at the condition modern guys get into and especially their thighs. However, many end up looking like freaks. I don't mean size wise but just general appearance. If that is the result of doing whatever it takes then I say no thanks. Most of us looked better back before gynocomastia became rampant. I have exposed a rather cavalier attitude of many towards those drugs. Who would have thought that there could ever be complacency regarding steroids and other substances used to get bigger. I guess almost everyone believes you need those chemicals to be big so that is what they do. I wonder if we can reverse this mindset? I doubt it.

schwarzenpecker · « **Reply #136 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:33:06 PM »

Vince, how about posting some photos from your 1970 Mr. Canada win?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #137 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:48:59 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Michael Moore on August 11, 2006, 06:58:50 PM

Hello, everyone !

Well , regarding the whole can of worms Arvilla opened when he attacked Vince, I won't comment for 2 reasons: a lot others have expressed the exactly feelings I have in Vince's defense - the guy , at a minimum, is a bodybuilding encyclopedia and just for that should be respected, if his attackers still refuse to look into his huge array of other qualities; secondly, since Mike just thought it was a gimmick account, I'm sure he must have regreted the insults.

Now back at you, Adonis. I can't let that slide.....

Back in 2004, when I started posting here, it was around the time I started my preparation for my very first competition. I started it on march, and it lasted 'till june 18th, the day of the show. I got my ass handed to me in the form of a 7th place out of 12 guys. I was less than happy, to say the least.....

The point I want to enphasize here is this, and bare this in mind forever, kid:

BODYBUILDING CONTEST PREP IS FAR AS f**k FROM EASY, AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it was the very first time I used gear, and did a very shitty cycle, which comprised, as the highest amount of juice taken in a week, 150 ml of DECA, as it was the first phase of the cycle - ONLY THAT THIS CYCLE WAS A REVERSE PYRAMID, WHICH MEANS EVERY SUBSEQUENT DOSE WAS 50 ml LESS, 'TILL THE FINAL SHOT COMPRISED 25 ml, ONLY.The rest of the cycle consisted only of Winstrol injectable.

I only posted the juice part just to show that I'm old school, and relied the brunt of load on hard work, which means training as a mad man, cardio at night up to 1 hour, 1 hour and a half after work (the only time of the day available, as the weights were hit on mornings) and a volume of food soooooooo low that my mothers poodle puppie ate far more and better !!! Oh, the food consisted of plain chicken breasts, potatoes, salad, water and black cofee.......for 4 STRAIGHT MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF CHEATING, NOT EVEN ONE CHEAT MEAL IN THOSE 4 MONTHS!!!

Mike Arvilla could not have stated better when he said you start to get a completely diferent view of life in general, and to say you respect much , much better the pros is an understatement.

At that time when I used to post here, when the members asked for me to put up the contest shape pics, I was ripped apart by some real assholes , like a regular here that is m.i.a. these days, called V.P. (don't know if you know him form the boards), and he was like you, a guy that never ever faced what remotely resembled what a contest diet/training is, but nevertheless insisted on adding his priceless 2 cents on each and every thread that talked about training and dieting geared towards competing.

Now this is not a diss at you, man. I 'm only saying that you can't grasp the concept of how fucking painful it is to get damn ripped, as in contest ripped to get NOTICED onstage (thanx, Mr. Hutch!), so whenever you insist on saying 'how easy' is to get in contest shape, tou don't know how much you make yourself look like a dork!

I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR EVERY MAN THAT ACTUALLY GET HIMSELF READY FOR COMPETITION AND COMPETES , INDEED, LET ALONE THE PROS.

It take a totally diferent kind of animal to have the guts of set his ass on getting up that bodybuilding stage, nothing short of this.

And that's that!

Iv`e gone longer than 4 months without a cheat and way less calories and will be leaner than you at your competition, yet you don`t hear me whining.

This shit is too easy.

TheAnimal · « **Reply #138 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:49:10 PM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on August 12, 2006, 05:59:00 PM

I have exposed a rather cavalier attitude of many towards those drugs. Who would have thought that there could ever be complacency regarding steroids and other substances used to get bigger. I guess almost everyone believes you need those chemicals to be big so that is what they do. I wonder if we can reverse this mindset? I doubt it.

My god I wish these performance enhancing drugs never existed...
Imagine how much we would be talking about genetics and those who work hard etc..
We would REALLY know how to train as those who have the most effective methods would reign supreme, but now we dont know due to drugs
These days you see a big guy, but is it a reflection of his superior genetics, training and diet or just a vast knowledge and application of drugs..
Anyway I am dreaming but when you flash multi-million dollar contracts into the sporting industry there will always be research into getting the edge for football, endurance sports,baseball and other events... just happens to be drugs
Its hard not thinking that you need drugs to get anywhere in bodybuilding, going natural is a tough road in a midst of syringes and vials...

xpac2 · « **Reply #139 on:** August 12, 2006, 10:05:41 PM »

Quote from: Cheri Lane on August 12, 2006, 05:02:40 PM

Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.

Monster delusion

The True Adonis · « **Reply #140 on:** August 12, 2006, 10:17:05 PM »

Quote from: Cheri Lane on August 12, 2006, 05:02:40 PM

Although both are illegal, you truly cannot compair hard-core addictive drugs such as Extasy, Cocaine, Oxycontic, Heroin, etc. to anabolic steroids.

Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.

That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.

They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.

Vince B · « **Reply #141 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:37:43 AM »

'The Animal' is right about bodybuilding. Even though there are bodybuilders who compete naturally the vast majority of competitors try the shortcuts. What happens is that people start looking for help in the wrong places because they do not believe training alone will give them the results they seek. This belief is now entrenched in bodybuilding and if I say it is possible to get big without drugs I am considered a lunatic. How would we know what is possible if no one is trying? That is the problem. Sure training is important but if guys are using and training then what exactly is responsible for their gains?

If scientists could be encouraged to do more research into hypertrophy I believe it might be possible to find out how to get big without steroids and other drugs. It has to be possible. We need more knowledge. The universities are not doing the relevant research and what a pity that a former Mr Olympia cannot gets funds directed into the research that we all need. I see all that money spent of law enforcement a monumental waste of money and manpower. Imagine if part of those resources were spent on hyertrophy research?

How sad is it when stalwart guys like Chick cannot even voice an opinion about doping. He accepts it like almost everyone else does. I am considered out of the loop so that means what I say is irrelevant. Well, Chick, you have no argument and your position on drugs is a disgrace. How are we going to solve this problem if you guys won't even consider it is a problem?

Laura Lee · « **Reply #142 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:33:24 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 12, 2006, 10:17:05 PM

Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.

That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.

They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.

I believe in the "mental" addictiveness, but not physical addictiveness. I believe you see yourself growing and therefore mentally feel you can't get big without them so you keep doing cycle after cycle. But I don't believe you go through physical with-drawls like the other drugs I stated. I don't believe you would need drug intervention or the Betty Ford clinic to stop taking steroids.

sarcasm · « **Reply #143 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:39:20 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 12, 2006, 10:17:05 PM

Thats bullshit. How many times have you heard of someone just doing one cycle and then thats it.

That usually is never the case. I see the same people, once they try something, always looking to either stay on looking to get back on.

They must be mentally addictive as well as physically addictive.

brutal truth.

dorkeroo · « **Reply #144 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:42:11 AM »

Quote from: Cheri Lane on August 13, 2006, 08:33:24 AM

I believe in the "mental" addictiveness, but not physical addictiveness. I believe you see yourself growing and therefore mentally feel you can't get big without them so you keep doing cycle after cycle. But I don't believe you go through physical with-drawls like the other drugs I stated. I don't believe you would need drug intervention or the Betty Ford clinic to stop taking steroids.

Well some people do get depressed though. I imagine there are those who do indeed need help getting off the drugs. You are playing with your endocrine system. That isn't a small thing, and as far as long term consequences, the studies just aren't there as far as I know.

Laura Lee · « **Reply #145 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:48:42 AM »

Quote from: dorkeroo on August 13, 2006, 08:42:11 AM

Well some people do get depressed though. I imagine there are those who do indeed need help getting off the drugs. You are playing with your endocrine system. That isn't a small thing, and as far as long term consequences, the studies just aren't there as far as I know.

Of course they get depressed. You are introducing a chemical testosterone into your system, overloading your otherwise natural balance, your own body then stops creating natural testosterone and when you stop taking the steroid you are left with little or none. Some may never get their natural testosterone going again and will have to rely on chemical test, but it doesn't make them an addict to steroids. And you certainly don't go thru the same kind of DTs a person who had been taking Oxys or the equivalent. IMO the "addiction" to steroids is more of want for size and fear of losing size.

Heywood · « **Reply #146 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:14:33 PM »

It's a shame when "old school" bodybuilding refers to only taking X amount of Deca versus X + Y.

Yes, the results you get from steroids cannot be attained otherwise. Female b/bers prove this - they'd NEVER get that way in 100 years of training. Look at the female US Olympic lifters who are tested. Next to the female b/bers they are very small.

But without the drugs, that muscle dissolves away. Your muscles are tied to a "lease agreement" with the drug company (or drug pusher) and there is no purchase option available.

Vince B · « **Reply #147 on:** August 13, 2006, 06:27:56 PM »

Yes, Heywood, women definitely suggest that anabolics help them get much bigger than they might be able to do without those drugs. I think the evidence is overwhelming. However, I am not so sure this applies to the men. There might be a threshold below which it is unlikely you will ever get big. There might be some men who can get huge without any drugs. If we go back to the pre-steroid era we know many built up large muscles. Things have improved since the 1940s and we can speculate what those guys might have achieved with better equipment, training information and nutrition. The science in physiology has transcended anything known in those days. We literally do not know what is possible because most of the best bodybuilders use drugs and it is unlikely we can determine exactly what is causing more hypertrophy. We need more knowledge and more testing. If even one bodybuilder can get huge naturally it might be possible that others can, too. If no on believes that it is possible to get huge naturally then that belief can surely prevent anyone from trying to find out.

Heywood · « **Reply #148 on:** August 13, 2006, 06:40:18 PM »

I agree, Vince. I don't like to think in terms of putting limits on potential either.

I have no problem with anyone getting as large as they want - if it's done without the help of drugs.

Vince B · « **Reply #149 on:** August 13, 2006, 07:11:27 PM »

There are three experiments done on animals that have potential for humans. Gonyea and his strong cat, the stretching with fowl, and the severing of gastrocnemi in rats. Those studies have immense potential if applied to human hypertrophy. It is my conjecture that perhaps training a muscle for 8 to 12 hours a day for a month or more might lead to hypertrophy that has not been attained before. Individuals trying this might exceed any potential they had from conventional training. They might not exceed the monsters of today but will get bigger than what they thought was possible for themselves. If genetically gifted bodybuilders employ these protocols then who knows what is possible for them. My fear is that some pros would do something like this but use plenty of chemicals as well! You gotta love the desire to be the best in the world and get all that fame. When I read what Hypertrophy Specific Training advocates I smile to myself. Why limit yourself like that? Surely there are young guys out there who are crazy enough to try some extreme protocols? If anyone is that crazy I don't advocate jumping in on the long training sessions. You have to gradually apply the stress. Keep the suntanning approach as a guide. That is you wouldn't go outside in the hot sun and stay there all day the first day you wanted a tan! You cannot train the whole body everyday all day and expect to grow all your muscles. I would do one bodypart and recommend trying arms. If you get your arms growing then all the surrounding muscles should grow as well. It is possible to do this every 2nd or 3rd day and then do other muscles in the off days.