Vince Basile?

[legbreaker]

your showing some right now old timer................... ..............

god bless

Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you?  He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development.  The 80's till the mid 90's as well.  One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show??  Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show?  A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy.  When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.

[legbreaker]

Here you go. I haven't put many images up on my Smugmug site yet.

http://ovincez.smugmug.com/gallery/1337225

That's a great front db, Vince...you fall into it just like the guys of the era.  Posing IS a lost art.

[chris_mason]

There are three experiments done on animals that have potential for humans. Gonyea and his strong cat, the stretching with fowl, and the severing of gastrocnemi in rats. Those studies have immense potential if applied to human hypertrophy. It is my conjecture that perhaps training a muscle for 8 to 12 hours a day for a month or more might lead to hypertrophy that has not been attained before. Individuals trying this might exceed any potential they had from conventional training. They might not exceed the monsters of today but will get bigger than what they thought was possible for themselves. If genetically gifted bodybuilders employ these protocols then who knows what is possible for them. My fear is that some pros would do something like this but use plenty of chemicals as well! You gotta love the desire to be the best in the world and get all that fame. When I read what Hypertrophy Specific Training advocates I smile to myself. Why limit yourself like that? Surely there are young guys out there who are crazy enough to try some extreme protocols? If anyone is that crazy I don't advocate jumping in on the long training sessions. You have to gradually apply the stress. Keep the suntanning approach as a guide. That is you wouldn't go outside in the hot sun and stay there all day the first day you wanted a tan! You cannot train the whole body everyday all day and expect to grow all your muscles. I would do one bodypart and recommend trying arms. If you get your arms growing then all the surrounding muscles should grow as well. It is possible to do this every 2nd or 3rd day and then do other muscles in the off days.

Vince, you have been espousing this stuff online for several years now yet you have nothing to show for it.  You own a gym, correct?  Train some young buck with your theories and prove they are valid. 

I think your ideas such as the one above are pure folly.

[Laura Lee]

Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you?  He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development.  The 80's till the mid 90's as well.  One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show??  Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show?  A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy.  When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.

Well if you continued to read on you would have seen that Mike thought Vince was a gimmick account and later appologized via PM to Vince himself (Vince confirmed in this thread).

[michael arvilla]

Mike, I complimented ya when you brought your weight down and developed a respectable physique, not for nothing your a f--- wise ass guy. Did this guy ever insult you?  He's been training lots of years, owns a gym and competed and the years he spent in this game 70's were some of the best years of physique development.  The 80's till the mid 90's as well.  One more question buddy...do you think you will ever even win 1 show??  Just one...it could be the Mr.La Fitness for all I care, but just one show?  A few post ago you said you would know when to "bow out with dignity", well I guess that's very subjective because a lot of people wouldn't have even competed at your physique development because they wouldn't want to lose dignity of their own. You did good for you...and that is a comendable thing, took a lot of hard work and focus, but the end result for a guy at your age was not anything special, buddy.  When I read the first post here I figured you were just bustin chops, but then I read and saw you were serious....that's too bad.

ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out, that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself

[240 is Back]

ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself

Mike, you used to be one of the most gentle guys on here.  If you are able to transfer this newfound spark/aggressiveness to the gym then the stage, you're gonna be kicking the crap outta some people at the next show!

When are you competing again?  What weight do you think you'll be onstage this time?

[michael arvilla]

Mike, you used to be one of the most gentle guys on here.  If you are able to transfer this newfound spark/aggressiveness to the gym then the stage, you're gonna be kicking the crap outta some people at the next show!

When are you competing again?  What weight do you think you'll be onstage this time?

june 10th (West Palm Beach show again)
hopefully ................225 or so

lol thanks Rob!

(just get pissed when after 7 pages of back n forth then burying the hatchet,someone starts talking outta there ass
without reading the whole thing)
 

[240 is Back]

june 10th (West Palm Beach show again)
hopefully ................225 or so

lol thanks Rob!

(just get pissed when after 7 pages of back n forth then burying the hatchet,someone starts talking outta there ass
without reading the whole thing)
 

shit... 225... that'll put you 25 pounds heavier than before. You'll look like a different person up there.  taking a whole year off?

you've always been a nice guy, which is good and all.  But I always thought that if you put away that friendly side, just said F the world, and stopped caring what others thought, you'd have more success.  Just my 2 cents

[Vince B]

Hey, Mike, maybe we should have a friendly contest and see who can build the biggest arms by September 2007. I will do it naturally and you can use whatever you like. I am talking about pure size and not contest condition. I need some motivation to train hard. Neither of us have anything to lose. From looking at some of your photos I would say you need a lot more size, especially on the arms. I doubt you could beat me in calves so we don't have to worry about that body part. What do you think? Might make this thread have some purpose, afterall. I can then answer guys like Chris Mason who don't believe much about what I write.

To answer legbreaker and his comment about posing. I used to pose for 20 minutes every night before a contest. I used a rear view mirror to see how I looked from the back. What some have trouble with is knowing how to improve their poses and which ones suit them the best. I never had any help with my posing.

[chris_mason]

Vince, you have issued such an arm challenge before and yet you do nothing. 

I will say no more on the matter but I find it frustrating that you make bold statements about how big you can get your arms and then do nothing.

[backday]

Hey, Mike, maybe we should have a friendly contest and see who can build the biggest arms by September 2007. I will do it naturally and you can use whatever you like. I am talking about pure size and not contest condition. I need some motivation to train hard. Neither of us have anything to lose. From looking at some of your photos I would say you need a lot more size, especially on the arms. I doubt you could beat me in calves so we don't have to worry about that body part. What do you think? Might make this thread have some purpose, afterall. I can then answer guys like Chris Mason who don't believe much about what I write.

To answer legbreaker and his comment about posing. I used to pose for 20 minutes every night before a contest. I used a rear view mirror to see how I looked from the back. What some have trouble with is knowing how to improve their poses and which ones suit them the best. I never had any help with my posing.

Big arms in a big fat body does not do the cut man and I think Mike`s arms and shoulders are pretty good

[michael arvilla]

Big arms in a big fat body does not do the cut man and I think Mike`s arms and shoulders are pretty good

Thanks B !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vince B]

To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.

I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.

I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.

[Laura Lee]

I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.

Question Vince:  Why are you stating this (in red), when you already posted these (below)?

No worries, Mike. There are so many people using fake ID online that everyone has a right to be sceptical. I never post as anyone else online. I guess it takes guts to post using our real names. I wish more people would do that. It might stop most of the nastiness around here. On the other hand there is a lot of stirring going on and in real life I am one of the best stirrers. You people haven't seen that side of me yet!

The bad thing about living in Australia is that we go to bed when you are at work. We post on Getbig late at night then get up in the morning and find heaps of posts that we couldn't respond to.

I suppose it is difficult to know who others are on the internet. I think Mike assumed I was some young kid having fun on the board. Well, he is wrong. I will be 64 on September 21.

He is right about one thing. It takes a lot of nerve to get on stage in contest condition.

Mike sent me a PM about the 'gimmick account' so I think we should leave it there.

One more thing.  You stated you wanted this contest to go on "pure size and not contest condition"...I'm sorry but that wouldn't be fair considering ones bodyfat count...would it?  Conditioning would definitely be a factor.  Hell one of you could have a 18" fat arm that has some muscle and the other 18" lean muscular arm.

[chris_mason]

To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.

I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.

I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.

Vince, if you want to prove something then do it and stop talking about it.  That is my point.  You type all of this bravado and then do nothing.  You don't need a competition to build your arms.  Just do it and prove you have something of interest or talk about other things. 

[michael arvilla]

Vince, if you want to prove something then do it and stop talking about it.  That is my point.  You type all of this bravado and then do nothing.  You don't need a competition to build your arms.  Just do it and prove you have something of interest or talk about other things. 

Chris has been very good to me so i take what he says as fact,................Vince i don't get this "challenge" ?
(do things because you want to better yourself/physique not to beat me)
my arms get very big in the offseason.....
why are you challenging people online??....i don't get it?

[legbreaker]

ill win a show......hell yea
and you?
my "physique development" garnered me third place in a tough tough open heavyweight division
my first time out, that is something special "buddy"
oh yea "buddy" one more thing..................g o f**k yourself

Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him.  That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix.  Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old.  I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.

[michael arvilla]

Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him.  That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix.  Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old.  I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.

it's pathetic and sad that Vince at 65 or whatever is challenging people online
and the only thing you beat................is your meat

[Laura Lee]

Mike, like I said you did good in your prep, but your end result wasn't even as good as Vince in his 1975 pix above...and you insult him.  That says a lot for Vince because the drugs were completely different...with gh and the amounts guys use today that same physique Vince posted would be 20 pounds heavier that those pix.  Don't worry about me and contest, I would have beaten you at 17 years old.  I'm gonna stick to the reason I posted, your a wise ass and for no reason personally insulted this guy.

Excuse me Mr. Legbreaker, but you really need to go back and read the whole fricken thread before continuing to post regarding this matter.  But let me just summarize it for you seeing you are obviously to lazy to do so.  Mike insulted Vince, yes, because he thought it was a kid with a gimmick account.  He found out that Vince was not a gimmick account and appologized to him via PM.  Vince posted that he understood right here in this same thread, had you read further...you would have noticed it.

MOVE ON WILL YOU!?!?!  

[legbreaker]

No problem, Mike, i aint gonna get going with insults on a message board...but I hope your not as much a wise ass in person because one day you'll end up doin it to the wrong guy.  Good luck.

[michael arvilla]

No problem, Mike, i aint gonna get going with insults on a message board...but I hope your not as much a wise ass in person because one day you'll end up doin it to the wrong guy.  Good luck.

im totally different in person (actually a very nice guy)
thanks for your good wishes

Mike

[J. Chimpo]

To answer Chris Mason. I made some statements on HST forum and tried to get a few guys to try my ideas. They weren't interested so I guess most of us are rather stubborn when it comes to our pet theories.

I tore a biceps in 1978 and I can't train it too hard. So the idea that I would challenge just anyone is not something I would do. It would be interesting to see what I could do. However, to do the experiment I need to have no injuries and commit myself to that training. I just don't seem to have the right conditions and a schedule that would allow me to do it. When one is young it is possible to make training a priority. Nowadays I have to build equipment, do repairs, etc., and I don't always get to my gym which is about 30 miles away.

I don't think I would have trouble exceeding what Michael has achieved. If he thinks he can insult me then why not see who can build the biggest arms by Sept 21, 2007 when I turn 65. What the heck has he got to lose? I love challenges but prefer mental ones and not primitive ones like hypertrophy. Still, it passes the time and so many on this forum are hooked on big muscles that I guess some of that passion rubs off on all of us. Michael doesn't have to accept any challenge but who out there doesn't want bigger arms? I might even prepare a biceps and triceps machine to use here at my factory. Then instead of going on the internet so much I can do those long training sessions to see how the muscles adapt. So few people are doing original experiments that it should be interesting.

I thought you guys were cool, why the nasty comback 

[Vince B]

Look, do any of you people think I want to blast away at my arms for a year just to prove I can make them grow? That is lunacy. However, if I have a goal and a purpose then perhaps that can motivate me. Mike fails to appreciate this about others. Some of us can feed off negativity. Arnold was like that. If people like me told him he would never be a great actor that made him try harder. I can see the fun has already gone out of this thread. How on earth can anyone here imagine that an egotistical guy like me would ever use a gimmick account? I have been posting here for years now and always under my own name. I have been interacting with guys like Only me and I have posted that I knew many of the guys who came to my place and so on. It might be true that few gym owners bother to post here and I understand that. Not many guys who have won titles post here, either. How many Mr Canadas post here? Not many.

I was astonished that Mike and his offsider attacked me and sustained it. Yes, from their point of view it was all a misunderstanding and I accepted that. However, the damage was already done. As far as physiques go I guess Mike is another person who loses a lot of size when he prepares for competition. A lot of guys lose too much muscle when they seek that ultra-defined look. As far as I am concerned I prefer to not get so cut but then we all know the standards have changed over the years and judges today demand to see striations everywhere. I think this has gone too far and definition is scored too highly. Well, the lack of definition is considered reason to not win or place high in contests.

Mike apologized for his misunderstanding which is fine, but then he keeps up this thing about old guys challenging others and so on. I remember when Lou challenged Arnold and said he was going to bring Arnold's head on a plate. That sort of bravado is good for some colour in this sometimes lackluster sport. I could care less about beating anyone today and won't compete in contests. That doesn't mean that challenges are not fun. I sort of envy guys who have not won a contest because they still have something to aim at.

[Laura Lee]

Look, do any of you people think I want to blast away at my arms for a year just to prove I can make them grow? That is lunacy. However, if I have a goal and a purpose then perhaps that can motivate me. Mike fails to appreciate this about others. Some of us can feed off negativity. Arnold was like that. If people like me told him he would never be a great actor that made him try harder. I can see the fun has already gone out of this thread. How on earth can anyone here imagine that an egotistical guy like me would ever use a gimmick account? I have been posting here for years now and always under my own name. I have been interacting with guys like Only me and I have posted that I knew many of the guys who came to my place and so on. It might be true that few gym owners bother to post here and I understand that. Not many guys who have won titles post here, either. How many Mr Canadas post here? Not many.

I was astonished that Mike and his offsider attacked me and sustained it. Yes, from their point of view it was all a misunderstanding and I accepted that. However, the damage was already done. As far as physiques go I guess Mike is another person who loses a lot of size when he prepares for competition. A lot of guys lose too much muscle when they seek that ultra-defined look. As far as I am concerned I prefer to not get so cut but then we all know the standards have changed over the years and judges today demand to see striations everywhere. I think this has gone too far and definition is scored too highly. Well, the lack of definition is considered reason to not win or place high in contests.

Mike apologized for his misunderstanding which is fine, but then he keeps up this thing about old guys challenging others and so on. I remember when Lou challenged Arnold and said he was going to bring Arnold's head on a plate. That sort of bravado is good for some colour in this sometimes lackluster sport. I could care less about beating anyone today and won't compete in contests. That doesn't mean that challenges are not fun. I sort of envy guys who have not won a contest because they still have something to aim at.

What is wrong with you?  What damage was done?  Are you going backwards or something...returning comments on his original posts?  You are the one challenging him after everything was explained and you supposedly understood.  He responded to your challenge.  If you feel you have something to prove...prove it to yourself.  There is no need to prove anything to anybody on a message board.

[sarcasm]

What is wrong with you?  What damage was done?  Are you going backwards or something...returning comments on his original posts?  You are the one challenging him after everything was explained and you supposedly understood.  He responded to your challenge.  If you feel you have something to prove...prove it to yourself.  There is no need to prove anything to anybody on a message board.

Vince is old as dirt, that might explain it, he's so old he has an autographed bible.