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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #400 on: September 07, 2006, 11:50:17 AM »
No you aren`t.

You were fat and unhealthy because you overate.

If you fat off of Chicken and Rice, you will be just as unhealthy.

It has more to do with quantity than type of food.  Obesity is a health risk, not the foods.

Limiting calorie intake one can eat anything and remain lean,continue to gain muscle and be very healthy.

I love how you shove it in everyones' face that they were fat because of what they did, "you're fat and unhealthy because you over ate" but when you talk about the time you did dc you say it "made you fat" maybe it made you fat cause you were lazy and over-ate?  
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #401 on: September 07, 2006, 11:51:09 AM »
You guys don't get it do you??  TA is the office gofer and all these meals that he claims to eat are the ones he gets for his bosses and other higher ups, all the while he is sitting at his cubical chewing tuna like skoal and chugging water like its the Beast.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #402 on: September 07, 2006, 11:51:43 AM »
Im sure chickens in factory farms all over america will be happy to hear this.

WHy not try vegetarianism? What do women need all the protein for anyway?

Yeah really.

For them it is even a bigger waste as their Testosterone levels are so low. Their Protein Requirement to build muscle is INCREDIBLY low.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #403 on: September 07, 2006, 12:04:39 PM »
Yup.

Look it up.

80 mg of Cholesterol in a Big Mac
Cholesterol 119 mg 40%  in 5 ounces of chicken


1.  There's also 30 gms of fat and 10 gms of saturated fat in a big mac --- and around 3 gms of fat in the equivalent amount of chicken breast. Chicken Breast 1, Big Mac 0

2.  You just said cholesterol is more important in regards to genetics than what you eat. Make up your mind. Dietary cholesterol is important for testosterone production also. Chicken Breast 2, Big Mac 0

3. The thermogenic effect of protein is higher than an equivalent amount of carbs or fats = your body burns more calories eating the chicken breast than it does eating a Big Mac with a bun, sauce etc. You get the protein it needs, plus you burn more calories as a result. And how is McDonalds better for you? Chicken breast 3, big mac 0...

I only respond for the sake of the newbs, a 17 pg thread about eating ice cream should have been laughed off after pg 1.  Anyway, TA you remind me of a guy I went to school with, he walked around in almost contest shape year round, told everyone his secret was ice cream (seriously) for breakfast and skittles every day with a straight face, but if you ever caught him in the cafeteria eating by himself he had nothing but boiled egg whites and rice on his plate with a gallon of water...

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #404 on: September 07, 2006, 12:14:24 PM »
I love how you shove it in everyones' face that they were fat because of what they did, "you're fat and unhealthy because you over ate" but when you talk about the time you did dc you say it "made you fat" maybe it made you fat cause you were lazy and over-ate?  

Natural AL,

He Recommends Outrageous Protein Amounts way too high in Calories,I would hate to know a DC trainers cholesterol, Minimal work at the gym and, Nonsense approaches to Carbs and Fat.
Simply he advocates too many calories and not enough work.
He has produced no real results because he has yet to prove that he has made a Natural go ABOVE and BEYOND the norm like he claims he has done.

If anything promotes laziness it is his routines and diet advice.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #405 on: September 07, 2006, 12:15:47 PM »
Are you just trying to get us all fat TA?

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #406 on: September 07, 2006, 12:16:22 PM »
1.  There's also 30 gms of fat and 10 gms of saturated fat in a big mac --- and around 3 gms of fat in the equivalent amount of chicken breast. Chicken Breast 1, Big Mac 0

2.  You just said cholesterol is more important in regards to genetics than what you eat. Make up your mind. Dietary cholesterol is important for testosterone production also. Chicken Breast 2, Big Mac 0

3. The thermogenic effect of protein is higher than an equivalent amount of carbs or fats = your body burns more calories eating the chicken breast than it does eating a Big Mac with a bun, sauce etc. You get the protein it needs, plus you burn more calories as a result. And how is McDonalds better for you? Chicken breast 3, big mac 0...

I only respond for the sake of the newbs, a 17 pg thread about eating ice cream should have been laughed off after pg 1.  Anyway, TA you remind me of a guy I went to school with, he walked around in almost contest shape year round, told everyone his secret was ice cream (seriously) for breakfast and skittles every day with a straight face, but if you ever caught him in the cafeteria eating by himself he had nothing but boiled egg whites and rice on his plate with a gallon of water...


You are wrong on number 3 by a longshot.
The thermogenic effect of protein is not molecularly superior at all.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #407 on: September 07, 2006, 12:18:20 PM »
I love how you shove it in everyones' face that they were fat because of what they did, "you're fat and unhealthy because you over ate" but when you talk about the time you did dc you say it "made you fat" maybe it made you fat cause you were lazy and over-ate?  

I will also have you know that I have been PMed by a DC paying client the other day asking me for help.

He paid DC and went from 225 lbs to 295 of pure fat.  He did not realize it as Dante kept telling him he was making Tremendous progress.

What a shame that a scam artist he is.

I should post the PM.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #408 on: September 07, 2006, 12:19:40 PM »
It's too long to post on here so here is the answer to the effect of different levels of carbohydrate, fat and protein intake on protein metabolism and thermogenesis:


http://www.unu.edu/unupress/food2/uid07e/uid07e0h.htm
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #409 on: September 07, 2006, 12:28:51 PM »
You are wrong on number 3 by a longshot.
The thermogenic effect of protein is not molecularly superior at all.


See Cheri's article (among others) -

"This thermogenic response is often called the thermic effect of nutrients; it depends on the absorption, processing and storing of the nutrients. The carbohydrate-induced thermogenic response is about 7% of the glucose energy administered (SCHUTZ et al., 1983), whereas the thermic effect of fat is approximately 3% (THIÉBAUD et al., 1983). By contrast, the stimulation of energy expenditure following protein ingestion or amino acid infusion is close to 30% of the energy administered (FLATT, 1978), which is mainly due to the stimulation of protein synthesis, gluconeogenesis and ureogenesis."

 - You were actually the one who was wrong by a long shot.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #410 on: September 07, 2006, 12:31:18 PM »
Im sure chickens in factory farms all over america will be happy to hear this.

WHy not try vegetarianism? What do women need all the protein for anyway?

Yes!  I've eaten - and still eat alot of days - almost completely vegetarian...and guess what, I still look exactly the same.  

YOU DON'T NEED ALL THAT PROTEIN, especially from ANIMALS...and that goes for everyone!!!
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #411 on: September 07, 2006, 12:32:17 PM »
See Cheri's article (among others) -

"This thermogenic response is often called the thermic effect of nutrients; it depends on the absorption, processing and storing of the nutrients. The carbohydrate-induced thermogenic response is about 7% of the glucose energy administered (SCHUTZ et al., 1983), whereas the thermic effect of fat is approximately 3% (THIÉBAUD et al., 1983). By contrast, the stimulation of energy expenditure following protein ingestion or amino acid infusion is close to 30% of the energy administered (FLATT, 1978), which is mainly due to the stimulation of protein synthesis, gluconeogenesis and ureogenesis."

 - You were actually the one who was wrong by a long shot.

Actually not.
Your study is from 1978.
I guess you didn`t get the memo.
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #412 on: September 07, 2006, 12:34:53 PM »
Does Thermogenesis Help You Lose Weight Fast?
One of the many reasons everyone and their mother seems to recommend eating a high protein diet to lose weight and burn fat is because of this "thermogenic" effect.

People are under the misconception that you can lose a lot of weight real fast without if you eat a high protein diet.

This is because protein DOES have a thermogenic effect on the body...........but not enough to make an impact!

"Thermogenesis" or something that has a "thermogenic" effect on the body refers to anything that causes the temperature inside your body (sometimes your temperature on the skin is different from the temperature inside, your core temperature) to rise, to increase.

Well, we all know from school that the average / normal core body temperature is 98.6 degrees.

However, when your core temperature increases, even by just 1 or 2 degrees, it is said that this higher temperature causes the body to turn into a "furnace", raising the metabolism, which results in fat being burned. Here's where everyone is missing the point.

Sure, protein causes the body to work harder to digest it, which causes the body's internal temperature to rise, but it is NOT enough to really make a dent in burning fat or preserving muscle mass.

Researchers at Arizona State University examined individuals that ate a high protein diet and compared them to another group that ate a high carb diet.

What they found was that eating a high protein diet resulted in an average of 30 calories per meal being burned in digestion.

Read that again.......30 calories per meal.

Whoop-tee, doo!!!

30 calories!

Okay, then let's say you eat 5 meals a day.

30 calories per meal, 5 meals a day, that equals 150 calories.

So, you would only be burning an extra 150 calories a day if you were to go on a high protein diet.

Big deal!!!!

150 calories is 1 cup of milk.

It's 2 eggs.

It's half a candy bar.

150 calories isn't going to make any difference whatsoever in helping you gain weight, build muscle mass, or burn fat.

Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, but you can eat more protein lose a ton of fat weight because of the thermogenic effect".

Give me a break........150 calories.....I rather just cut out 1 can of soda a day and get the same effect!

Don't be fooled by the "high-protein" fans.

They just want you to go out and spend your hard-earned money on their bucket of protein.

If you are looking to lose weight and tone up, concentrate on the overall calories.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #413 on: September 07, 2006, 12:36:31 PM »
Natural AL,
He has produced no real results because he has yet to prove that he has made a Natural go ABOVE and BEYOND the norm like he claims he has done.


Really? Travis Macduff ABA INPA natural pro, started training him 2 year ago and he won it last year---wheres your pro card by the way? On that back of that Breyers ice cream Jug?

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #414 on: September 07, 2006, 12:36:37 PM »
Did you just say that there's lower cholesterol eating a BigMac than a chicken breast??

Mcdonalds has the big mac at 80mg cholestrol, while the usda has 1 cup of skinless, chicken breast at 119mg
http://www.firkey.com/food/NutInfo.php?search=05064&Amount=1&Measure=cup,%20chopped%20or%20diced&Weight=140

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #415 on: September 07, 2006, 12:37:45 PM »
I will also have you know that I have been PMed by a DC paying client the other day asking me for help.

He paid DC and went from 225 lbs to 295 of pure fat.  He did not realize it as Dante kept telling him he was making Tremendous progress.

What a shame that a scam artist he is.

I should post the PM.

Post it--I absolute dare you too...and dont forget to include his name (this should be good)

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #416 on: September 07, 2006, 12:39:38 PM »
You forgot these numbers:

Calories in BigMac: 560
Calories in Chicken: 231

Total Fat in BigMac: 30 g
Total Fat in Chicken: 5 g

Sat Fat in BigMac: 10 g
Sat Fat in Chicken: 1.4 g

Trans Fatty Acids in BigMac: 1.5  g
Trans Fatty Acids in Chicken: 0 g

Dietary Fiber in BigMac: 3 g
Dietary Fiber in Chicken: 0 g

Sodium in BigMac: 1010 mg
Sodium in Chicken: 104 mg

Sugar in BigMac: 8 g
Sugar in Chicken: 0 g

Protein in BigMac: 25 g
Protein in Chicken: 43.4 g

Calcium in BigMac: 0 g
Calcium in Chicken: 21 mg

I'll stick with the Chicken.  I like Grilled Chicken over Fried Beef anyway.   ;D

How does mcdonalds get trans fat in the beef anyways.  Straight from their website

Beef Patty
100% pure USDA inspected beef; no additives, no fillers, no extenders.
1 gram of trans fat

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #417 on: September 07, 2006, 12:40:04 PM »
Natural AL,

He Recommends Outrageous Protein Amounts way too high in Calories,I would hate to know a DC trainers cholesterol, Minimal work at the gym and, Nonsense approaches to Carbs and Fat.
Simply he advocates too many calories and not enough work.
He has produced no real results because he has yet to prove that he has made a Natural go ABOVE and BEYOND the norm like he claims he has done.

If anything promotes laziness it is his routines and diet advice.

no, you're oversimplifying it.  First 1.5g of protien per pound is not outrageous, you might think it is but since you're loading up on protien first, you're not taking in as many calories from fats and carbs so you're overall calorie consumption is minimal when you think about it.  Now people can go out of thier way to stuff thier face and that's fine but it's up to an individual to monitor thier bodyfat.  As far as minimal work, if you read the dog logg which I'm sure you have , what does he say about cardio?  45 minutes first thing in the morning everyday except leg day, so you could essentially be doing cardio everyday of the week except for one.  Now if you're smart and you're eating alot of protien and carbs and still getting fat there's nothing saying you can't up your cardio and lower your carb/fat intake.  You also supplement with green tea which is known to spike the metabolism etc.  There is also a thermogenic effect when you eat protien, how many calories does it take to burn protien vs. fat or carbs?  The ratio is pretty substantial.

This is going off the logg and my personal observations, I'm not trained by Dante and have only read stuff off of message boards but there are methods to the madness.  Dante does not let his clients share individual dieting methods and the stuff on the net is a guideline, you still have to use you're head.
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #418 on: September 07, 2006, 12:40:52 PM »
Post it--I absolute dare you too...and dont forget to include his name (this should be good)

Here is just one of a few I have from some of your FORMER disgruntled members.

They ought to bring suit against you for your SHIT ADVICE.

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  I sent you an email I was wondering if you received it. I've done DC and was up to 275, but was carrying too much fat. I had to take awhile off and got down to 220, bc I was still doing cardio. I do cardio twice a day and lift 4 or 5 times a week right now. Eating about 300 grams of protein & 90 carbs on most days with some cashews, nat. pb & a few other things.
  What would you advise? Thanks if you have time.
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #419 on: September 07, 2006, 12:41:52 PM »
This guy Perez has a lot of "anti bodybuilding style" views:
  http://search.msn.com/results.asp?FORM=sCPN&RS=CHECKED&un=doc&v=1&q=%22Jonathan%20Perez%22

but who the hell is he?  I can't find anything with his credentials on it. 
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #420 on: September 07, 2006, 12:43:51 PM »
Really? Travis Macduff ABA INPA natural pro, started training him 2 year ago and he won it last year---wheres your pro card by the way? On that back of that Breyers ice cream Jug?

hahhahahah.

What a Joke.
I was expecting to see a person under 6 ft over 210 lbs ripped like you CLAIM IS POSSIBLE.

You are a fat pathetic scam artist.

Get off my fucking thread you fat huckster.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #421 on: September 07, 2006, 12:45:32 PM »
Like anyone wants a pro card ::)

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #422 on: September 07, 2006, 12:46:09 PM »


30 calories per meal, 5 meals a day, that equals 150 calories.

So, you would only be burning an extra 150 calories a day if you were to go on a high protein diet.

Big deal!!!!






but what would that be over a years time, how much fat would be lost? It might add up to something substantial and since it was done slowly, less excess skin and no cravings.

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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #423 on: September 07, 2006, 12:46:48 PM »
Here is just one of a few I have from some of your FORMER disgruntled members.

They ought to bring suit against you for your SHIT ADVICE.

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Adonis-
  I sent you an email I was wondering if you received it. I've done DC and was up to 275, but was carrying too much fat. I had to take awhile off and got down to 220, bc I was still doing cardio. I do cardio twice a day and lift 4 or 5 times a week right now. Eating about 300 grams of protein & 90 carbs on most days with some cashews, nat. pb & a few other things.
  What would you advise? Thanks if you have time.
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Re: Why you SHOULD be eating ICE CREAM to get ripped.
« Reply #424 on: September 07, 2006, 12:47:44 PM »
hahhahahah.

What a Joke.
I was expecting to see a person under 6 ft over 210 lbs ripped like you CLAIM IS POSSIBLE.

You are a fat pathetic scam artist.

Get off my fucking thread you fat huckster.

how tall are you and how much do you weigh?  BTW, anyone DC would have posted a pic of you would have typed that exact same thing, no matter what.
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