Should Heisman be stripped? - Bush Reportedly Got Over $100K From Agents

[Al-Gebra]

1.  They might raise an eyebrow, but they still wouldn't know my finances.  They wouldn't know if the house was rented, whether I saved and invested for the last ten years to buy, whether a rich relative died and left me money, etc.  And I'd never live anywhere near Diamond Head.     He wasn't living with his parents at the time.

2.  He allegedly received direct benefits.  The primary benefit allegedly went to his parents.     

1. "allegedly" . . . forget juries for a moment . . . you know he did. I don't understand why you're being intentionally naive about this.

2. he can plead ignorance about his parents' actions . . . if i were an NCAA lawyer, i would look into Bush's relationship w Michaels.  I'm sure Michaels will be willing to cooperate at this point.

[Dos Equis]

1. "allegedly" . . . forget juries for a moment . . . you know he did. I don't understand why you're being intentionally naive about this.

2. he can plead ignorance about his parents' actions . . . if i were an NCAA lawyer, i would look into Bush's relationship w Michaels.  I'm sure Michaels will be willing to cooperate at this point.

1.  I'm not being naive.  I just haven't read enough about the facts to say definitively that he received improper benefits.  He very well may have, but I'll wait till something a little more reliable than yahoo.com provides information. 

I do believe players, agents, boosters, etc. cheat all the time. 

2.  They can look into his actions, but I doubt there is a smoking gun.  Plus they already let Jarrett off the hook.  No question he received a direct benefit from Leinart's father (paying most of Jarrett's rent):


"In June, the NCAA revoked Jarrett's eligibility because he paid only $650 a month toward the $3,866-a-month rent on the apartment. Leinart had also paid $650, and his father paid the rest. The NCAA reinstated Jarrett a few weeks ago, but he must pay about $5,000 to charity over the course of his eligibility."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-jarrett24aug24,0,4147147.story?coll=la-home-sports

[Al-Gebra]

 

2.  They can look into his actions, but I doubt there is a smoking gun.  Plus they already let Jarrett off the hook.  No question he received a direct benefit from Leinart's father (paying most of Jarrett's rent):


"In June, the NCAA revoked Jarrett's eligibility because he paid only $650 a month toward the $3,866-a-month rent on the apartment. Leinart had also paid $650, and his father paid the rest. The NCAA reinstated Jarrett a few weeks ago, but he must pay about $5,000 to charity over the course of his eligibility."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-jarrett24aug24,0,4147147.story?coll=la-home-sports

If Michaels is a smart man, there is really only one outcome.

USC boosters will pay him a huge sum to make any evidence he has that Bush was aware that griffin was receiving benefits to interfere w him disappear.

[Camel Jockey]

IMO, it doesn't really matter now, he's making his mark in the NFL, making millions and was the rookie MVP last week. I'm pretty sure the NCAA rules are clear reguarding gifts and he and his handelers I'm sure knew, I say strip the Heisman!

The school and the NCAA made millions off of Bush and he can't get a few gifts, such as limo rides and housing?

The Heisman trophy is given to the best players in college football, and that's what Bush was last season regardless or whether he recieved gifts or not.

[bmacsys]

The real villain here is the NCAA. The schools make millions off these kids while most of the kids never make it farther than collegiate athletics. Lots of these kids are very poor and not very mature. The NCAA is made up of the biggest fucking hippocrits.

[bmacsys]

I don't think the Heisman goes back. 

Fuck, OJ still has his Heisman!

[Mr. Intenseone]

The school and the NCAA made millions off of Bush and he can't get a few gifts, such as limo rides and housing?

The Heisman trophy is given to the best players in college football, and that's what Bush was last season regardless or whether he recieved gifts or not.

Hey, that doesn't just apply to Heisman winners or even the football programs, it applies to all NCAA sports.....why should he be treated any different that any other collegiate athlete?

[bmacsys]

How can you strip Bush when officially OJ is still the 1968 Heisman Trophy winner.

[Al-Gebra]

The real villain here is the NCAA. The schools make millions off these kids while most of the kids never make it farther than collegiate athletics. Lots of these kids are very poor and not very mature. The NCAA is made up of the biggest fucking hippocrits.

regardless of what the NCAA does, it's a character issue . . .

the NCAA and BCS should do a better job of making sure that the money college football generates goes back to the colleges and universities in the right manner. 

[Camel Jockey]

Hey, that doesn't just apply to Heisman winners or even the football programs, it applies to all NCAA sports.....why should he be treated any different that any other collegiate athlete?

Let's face it, not every other collegiate athlete was Reggie Bush. He probably single handedly made millions for the NCAA, so I think he should be given a free pass.

Taking Hiesman trophy now wouldn't resolve anything. They should just strip USC of some scholarships.

[bmacsys]

regardless of what the NCAA does, it's a character issue . . .

the NCAA and BCS should do a better job of making sure that the money college football generates goes back to the colleges and universities in the right manner. 

Your right. But I think the NCAA should get off its high moral horse and start reforming itself. Get rid of these archaic rules. These kids are mostly poor blacks. They deserve more than a scholarship. They have no money, their families are often destitute. Its hard to blame these kids if they come from nothing and see an oppurtunity to help their families. At least thats what I think.

[Dos Equis]

How can you strip Bush when officially OJ is still the 1968 Heisman Trophy winner.

Because OJ was never caught cheating (not saying Bush cheated).  He is a murderer, but that really has nothing to do with the Heisman.

But it irritates me too.    

[Al-Gebra]

Your right. But I think the NCAA should get off its high moral horse and start reforming itself. Get rid of these archaic rules. These kids are mostly poor blacks. They deserve more than a scholarship. They have no money, their families are often destitute. Its hard to blame these kids if they come from nothing and see an oppurtunity to help their families. At least thats what I think.

They do deserve more than a scholarship, they deserve an education . . . and the NCAA should make sure they get it.  they should use some of those millions.

Talent doesn't equate being paid. Talent that is usable equates being paid. to have usable talent, you need character.  Following rules and getting an education help develop character. four years is not a long time to wait for your payday.

[bmacsys]

Because OJ was never caught cheating (not saying Bush cheated).  He is a murderer, but that really has nothing to do with the Heisman.

But it irrigates me too.   

Didn't somebody steal OJ's Heisman from USC?

[bmacsys]

They do deserve more than a scholarship, they deserve an education . . . and the NCAA should make sure they get it.  they should use some of those millions.

Talent doesn't equate being paid. Talent that is usable equates being paid. to have usable talent, you need character.  Following rules and getting an education help develop character. four years is not a long time to wait for your payday.

Four years can be a long time when your family doesn't have a pot to piss in. Some guys come to school with zero spending money, one pair of pants and one shirt, shoes with holes. Give these student athletes some of the money from bowl games, licensing of jerseys etc...

[Dos Equis]

Didn't somebody steal OJ's Heisman from USC?

Fred Goldman seized and sold it. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2401021&page=1

[Al-Gebra]

Four years can be a long time when your family doesn't have a pot to piss in. Some guys come to school with zero spending money, one pair of pants and one shirt, shoes with holes. Give these student athletes some of the money from bowl games, licensing of jerseys etc...

if they're that poor, the families are eligible for other forms of assistance.  student athletes who are moneymakers for their schools are well taken care of . . . they need the extra benefits to ride around in a blinged out car

[knny187]

They should just let it go.


These guys have enough to deal with while in College.  If someone paid for this or that for them...I don't see the harm.

[bmacsys]

Fred Goldman seized and sold it. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2401021&page=1

He is suing OJ again as we speak. I guess OJ gets paid well for speaking engagements and he isn't paying up. What I can't understand is who the fuck would hire OJ to speak?

[Dos Equis]

if they're that poor, the families are eligible for other forms of assistance.  student athletes who are moneymakers for their schools are well taken care of . . . they need the extra benefits to ride around in a blinged out car

 Schools with big time college football programs make out like bandits.  Yes the athletes get a free education, room, and board, which is a great benefit, but the school receives millions on the backs of these kids.  The schools get their money back many times over from ticket, merchandise, T.V., and bowl revenue.  The schools that get the major bowl payouts receive about $8 - $10 million.  I'd like to see them share more of that money with the athletes. 

[Al-Gebra]

Schools with big time college football programs make out like bandits.  Yes the athletes get a free education, room, and board, which is a great benefit, but the school receives millions on the backs of these kids.  The schools get their money back many times over from ticket, merchandise, T.V., and bowl revenue.  The schools that get the major bowl payouts receive about $8 - $10 million.  I'd like to see them share more of that money with the athletes. 

and how do you propose they share it?

[Dos Equis]

and how do you propose they share it?

Stipends.  Set amount for every player. 

[a_joker10]

Stipends.  Set amount for every player. 

Exactly, that is how it is performed in for Major Junior Hockey in Canada. This kids are 16-20 and are given a decent living allowance through stipends.

[Al-Gebra]

Stipends.  Set amount for every player. 

every position would make more sense.

starting qb=$ rather than Matt Leinart=$

i can see that.

[Dos Equis]

every position would make more sense.

starting qb=$ rather than Matt Leinart=$

i can see that.

Nah.  Too inconsistent.  Players lose their jobs all the time due to performance and injury.