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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2006, 01:52:22 PM »
didn't jay say "the IFBB is the only place you can win Mr. Olympia"?
If so then he is dead right.
but the PDI is the only place you can win The NOC!
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2006, 01:54:31 PM »
The fact is you guys where banking on Cutler getting fucked to make the pdi look like the place to be over the Ifbb. jay shows up looking crazy gets a fairly judged show and you guys feel screwed because it breaths new life into the ifbb.

I hope the pdi succeeds. I am rooting for it. But do not taint Cutler win with shit for your own gains.

You can find plenty of things the ifbb does without claiming a deserved win by cutler was a fix due to the ifbb being scared of the pdi.

It could be cool someday to see the best from the pdi battle the best from the ifbb. I wish you guys success. I just do not agree with the theory you present.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2006, 01:55:50 PM »
Yeah..Jay has how many homes ..hummers, mercedes, bmws ,jaguars, at various times, travels the world, has an awesome wife, and is financially set for life after bb'ing.....and you guys bust his balls for not biting the hand that feeds him? At the end of the road you assholes are the same ones who post that wow Dorian looks small now....Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway. You may as well at least be financially set after risking your health and sacrificing for so long....... Lets all go into work tomorrow and tell our bosses to fuck off and see how far it gets us. Jealous ,angry,  people who hide behind being "My own Man". Play the game, and make your dough...thats the way life works boys, in any occupation. To Jay...This is a business.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2006, 02:00:46 PM »
Quote from: body88 on October 01, 2006, 11:54:22 AM
See I think this is bullshit. Onlyme Rob and all the other PDI guys are claiming a fix as this is going to make it ALOT harder for them to succeed. I like the PDI. I hope it succeeds. I think the ifbb can be shysters. I also think you guys are the same people bashing the IFBB for screwing cutler in 01. You guys would be the same ones screaming how shitty the ifbb is and how cutler should have won had Ronnie taken the show. And how people should come on over to the PDI ::). I hope the PDI succeeds and I hope big name  pros go over there. Stop shitting on Cutlers win for your own gains. Use some true bullshit events. Not one where he clearly won the contest.


Guys the first pdi show was cool. But if you think the IFBB is scared enough of that federation to alter the MR O you are in lala land. Jay won. Many top pros and people in the industry had him in first the whole time. Stop acting like this is some kind of big bullshit fix like when franco won.
  Great post...I agree!!
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2006, 02:01:58 PM »
Quote from: Old-Skool on October 01, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
Yeah..Jay has how many homes ..hummers, mercedes, bmws ,jaguars, at various times, travels the world, has an awesome wife, and is financially set for life after bb'ing.....and you guys bust his balls for not biting the hand that feeds him? At the end of the road you assholes are the same ones who post that wow Dorian looks small now....Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway. You may as well at least be financially set after risking your health and sacrificing for so long....... Lets all go into work tomorrow and tell our bosses to f**k off and see how far it gets us. Jealous ,angry,  people who hide behind being "My own Man". Play the game, and make your dough...thats the way life works boys, in any occupation. To Jay...This is a business.

Awesome post Old Skool! ;)
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2006, 02:04:06 PM »
Quote from: Old-Skool on October 01, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
Yeah..Jay has how many homes ..hummers, mercedes, bmws ,jaguars, at various times, travels the world, has an awesome wife, and is financially set for life after bb'ing.....and you guys bust his balls for not biting the hand that feeds him? At the end of the road you assholes are the same ones who post that wow Dorian looks small now....Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway. You may as well at least be financially set after risking your health and sacrificing for so long....... Lets all go into work tomorrow and tell our bosses to f**k off and see how far it gets us. Jealous ,angry,  people who hide behind being "My own Man". Play the game, and make your dough...thats the way life works boys, in any occupation. To Jay...This is a business.

amen.  congrats big brother.  i told you this was your year.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2006, 02:08:56 PM »
I hope the PDI succeeds too. From what I've seen, Jay won last night. No question. And Jay is intelligent and probably wanted to capitalize on the IFBB/PDI thing to show his loyalty and the fact that he pays attention to whats going on in the industry. Every time I've corresponded with Ronnie about anything other than lifting heavy weights and eating grits he's shown complete ignorance. Nothing against the guy, he's a great bodybulder and from what I've heard a really great guy, but he is not smart or well spoken. Hell, even BSN has said that he can't speak worth a damn, and he's their spokesman. And when you think about it, the more the IFBB goes on the defensive against the PDI, the more competition there is and the more both of them get talked about. If the IFBB didn't say shit about the PDI it would not be as controversial and talked about as it is now. Everyone who defends the PDI says competition is good for business. I agree. And the IFBB is doing everythng they can to create that competition. I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but it is working, everyone's talking about it.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2006, 02:10:34 PM »
Quote from: Old-Skool on October 01, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
Yeah..Jay has how many homes ..hummers, mercedes, bmws ,jaguars, at various times, travels the world, has an awesome wife, and is financially set for life after bb'ing.....and you guys bust his balls for not biting the hand that feeds him? At the end of the road you assholes are the same ones who post that wow Dorian looks small now....Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway. You may as well at least be financially set after risking your health and sacrificing for so long....... Lets all go into work tomorrow and tell our bosses to f**k off and see how far it gets us. Jealous ,angry,  people who hide behind being "My own Man". Play the game, and make your dough...thats the way life works boys, in any occupation. To Jay...This is a business.

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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2006, 02:22:54 PM »
Hey whether Jay won or not the scenario of what I said is not beyond what the IFBB would do.  That is a fact.  I just find it humorus that in the other years that people thought Jay won Ronnie won.  And now the PDI is off the ground and so many things are happening and the fact that some IFBB pros are and will consider coming over to the PDI that this happens.  I mean I wonder how many guys are now thinkinig wowo Jay won maybe I have a chance now at the Olympia and hang in there for another year to try next year.  I have a feeling that many different IFBB pros are going to start winning some money just so they stay in the IFBB.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2006, 02:24:49 PM »
Seriously.....


How many Pro's have we heard wanting to go over to the PDI?


I can't say I heard of that many. 
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2006, 02:28:44 PM »
What would you have said if Ronnie was to beat Cutler for the O this year?


You would have used it as an opportunity to bash the ifbb for unfair judging and promoted the pdi. Used it as evidence that pros should jump ship to a fair origination.

I hope the pdi succeeds but you guys need to stop using the ifbb as an example of why pros should join. They know the deal.

why is there no theory that the ifbb is scared of the pdi so they judged a show fair for once in there life. It is automatically a fake set up. I would be willing to bet this is 100 percent speculation and you have no proof.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2006, 02:57:07 PM »
If the PDI hadn't touched a nerve in the IFBB, nobody would have been banned from competing in its shows, no press cards would have been pulled, & nothing would have been said about it (indirectly) at the finals.  That it has gotten this reaction suggests its importance & potential value in pro bodybuilding. 
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2006, 03:00:28 PM »
Quote from: Old-Skool on October 01, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
Yeah..Jay has how many homes ..hummers, mercedes, bmws ,jaguars, at various times, travels the world, has an awesome wife, and is financially set for life after bb'ing.....and you guys bust his balls for not biting the hand that feeds him? At the end of the road you assholes are the same ones who post that wow Dorian looks small now....Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway. You may as well at least be financially set after risking your health and sacrificing for so long....... Lets all go into work tomorrow and tell our bosses to f**k off and see how far it gets us. Jealous ,angry,  people who hide behind being "My own Man". Play the game, and make your dough...thats the way life works boys, in any occupation. To Jay...This is a business.

Great post, skool.....I wish I wrote it!
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2006, 03:04:45 PM »
Quote from: onlyme on October 01, 2006, 02:22:54 PM
Hey whether Jay won or not the scenario of what I said is not beyond what the IFBB would do.  That is a fact.  I just find it humorus that in the other years that people thought Jay won Ronnie won.  And now the PDI is off the ground and so many things are happening and the fact that some IFBB pros are and will consider coming over to the PDI that this happens.  I mean I wonder how many guys are now thinkinig wowo Jay won maybe I have a chance now at the Olympia and hang in there for another year to try next year.  I have a feeling that many different IFBB pros are going to start winning some money just so they stay in the IFBB.

Was Ronnie comming in looking garbage part of the IFBB conspricy as well?
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2006, 03:12:35 PM »
[..Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway.
[/quote]  ...take Lee Haney...here's a guy that won 8 Mr.O's and half the guys on getbig don't even know who he is...Flex magazine give him a one page question and answer in the back of their rag...You sure don't see any Muscle Tech ads with his mug...he pretty much is forgotten :(
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2006, 04:58:32 PM »
Quote from: Bones on October 01, 2006, 03:12:35 PM
[..Get all you can Jay because this sport forgets you the second you retire anyway.
  ...take Lee Haney...here's a guy that won 8 Mr.O's and half the guys on getbig don't even know who he is...Flex magazine give him a one page question and answer in the back of their rag...You sure don't see any Muscle Tech ads with his mug...he pretty much is forgotten :(

This is true.   I was with Sergio Oliva for about 5 hours sitting him at the ASC in 2003 and people would look over and I could read their lips.  Half of them were saying "who is that" to their friends.  then they would look down on the table and see all hisposters and finally realize it was Sergio.  Then they would go crazy and come over and talk to him. It's too bad that the IFBB doesn't take care of the guys who made them.  I mean they should give veterens some kind of pension plan or medical benefits when they retire.  Especially at least the Mr. Olympias.  They should have medical paid for their rest of their lives and a pension.  I mean they have made BB and the IFBB.  Every BB should treat BB as a business.  That is a great thing.  WHich means they should be able to go after any means to make money.  That is why the IFBB rule of banning is bullshit.  These guys risks their lives for nothing.  At least let them make some money along the way.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2006, 05:01:30 PM »
Quote from: onlyme on October 01, 2006, 04:58:32 PM
at the ASC in 2003 and people would look over and I could read their lips.  Half of them were saying "who is that" to their friends.

Keith....they were talking about you

lol

just teasing

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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2006, 06:05:30 PM »
Quote from: Matt C on October 01, 2006, 01:44:48 PM
I'm going to make it a point to cover the PDI as deeply as possible on my website from now on.  Just to spite these dumb fucking pricks who have the nerve to think speech can be restricted.

That's only - what - 100,000+ unique people a month - just as many people read my site as there are who read Muscular Development.

DUMB FUCKS!

If I was Ryan Deluca I would be FUCKING you so hard right now it wouldn't even be funny.

Just watch out who you assholes piss off - you never know who will get somewhere in this industry later on and put it right back in your face.

who is Ryan Deluca?
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2006, 06:13:48 PM »
I support the right of the PDI to exist and I also feel Ronnie was off and, going by the criteria the IFBB uses, that Jay should have won.

That said, I'd be happier with a Dexter or Victor win and I hope Ronnie either 1) comes back to win next year, proving he was just off--although the lat and tricep tear and the years of drug abuse to the point where your body just stops responding like it once did speak against this, or...

2) Ronnie retires now and doesn't return like Samir and others to get owned year after year.

As far as Victor being next Mr. O... he's got to show us more than he can get in shape once every three years before he gets the nod.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2006, 06:14:11 PM »
Quote from: Matt C on October 01, 2006, 05:03:15 PM
All Jay had to do is send an e-mail to the judges saying he would go PDI if he didn't win and they would have given it to him.

Could you imagine if Jay went to the PDI?  Or any of the top 10 guys for that matter?  Look at the ruckus Lee caused.

You just lost all credibility with that garbage. You sound like a few other posters. Funny how people on this site get into little groups and sound like one another in every post. You used to think for yourself and be unbiased.

You said Jay was "wider". His back is freking crazy. You know it, I know it and the judges knew it. Look at this picture. Stop being a little sour hater and admit the facts. Jay looked sick. Ronnie was off. Jay won.

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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2006, 06:19:31 PM »
Quote from: Matt C on October 01, 2006, 01:49:31 PM
You and I should both try to be more proactive about getting somewhere in this industry.  Think about it - we're smarter than pretty well everyone who runs the show currently and we don't restrict speech and give in to corruption and politics ($).

Honestly, let's get a few websites on the go and feed off our traffic.  Who is to say we can't be way up there as far as a platform to be heard in quick time?  I think we can.

you got that right.  
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2006, 06:19:57 PM »
Quote from: Matt C on October 01, 2006, 06:18:39 PM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=91122.0

I'm not saying it happened - but if he had done that it would have happened.

You where indirectly saying it happened. When has Jay been anything but a professional at any point in his career. You really think he would do that? You think a guy that works that hard would not want to win it with hard work and determination?
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2006, 06:20:19 PM »
Quote from: Lee_a_priest on October 01, 2006, 10:26:29 AM
Did Manion write Jays speech about the IFBB being the only place to compete.The guy wins hi first O and he thinks of saying stuff like that huh.Even Raymond from muscletime had his press pass pulled for covering the PDI show.Samir didn't get his free tickets Robin Chang was told not to give them to him as he is suing weider....not to mention all the other crap the ifbb was saying all weekend.Boy and they are not worried....Then let it go have your shows the PDI will have theres no big deal...carry on...


Hey Lee, hope you enjoyed the Olympia.  I'm glad Jay said that because quite frankly the PDI is nothing more than a bunch of smoke and mirrors which people that have as much right to being called Pro Bodybuilders as I do. 


Samir didn't get his free tickets???  So what??  He can buy them himself, its not like he's broke or anything like that.

Raymond's press pass getting pulled....good....Should n't be advertising for the PDI or maybe my warning I posted months ago wasn't heard.  I told you folks what would happen if you started spouting off that PDI crap at the Olympia.  I got good sources on my info, bro.  You're just lucky you didn't say squat about the PDI at the booth or you may have been thrown out   


You getting dissed by Melvin.  So what??  You put his name in the mix on the boards last month, remember.  He's just returning the favor.


Jay making the statement about the IFBB being the only place to compete....good for him.  He knows the real deal.



Vince Galanti, Vince Taylor, TJ...they all smartened up when they saw between the lies.  The only reason you're competing in the PDI is because its easy money for you to beat some rank amatuers,








That's the way it is Lee, deal with it
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2006, 06:22:17 PM »
This thread is so stupid. Every single guy in this thread was hoping to milk the fact that jay was screwed over again to promote the pdi.

I find it funny Jay looks amazing while Ronnie is off and these guys are acting like this is the O Franco won on a fix.
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Re: Jays Speech
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2006, 06:28:40 PM »
This is all Lee has left...

Cheap shots at the IFBB.
Next thing you know he will be standing in line behind Onlyme in the buffet blaming the IFBB for all the missing PDI t-shirts. 

Your "Blaze of Glory" fizzled Lee.  Go back to driving and fade away.  Stop pretending you care.

FYI:  There were more people standing in line to see Ronnie Coleman then there were at the NOC, comp tickets included.  Who's ship is sinking?
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