Hmm I don't seem to remember you being there hanging out with us. And funny, you'd think with my friend living there with him he would have noticed him juicing, or I would have noticed the guy making dramatic gains.
Just because you sell steroids doesn't make youan expert on all things related to bodybuilding. It just makes you a drug-dealer. If you think that steroid use is such a problem in high schools, why don't yo try not selling to high school kids, jerkoff.
ok,,first,,i am PRO IFBB BODY-BUILDER. 2006 O TOP 15 (yes the won jason cutler won),, so you calling me drug dealer does nothing but gets you where you started to beging with - denial.
when i decide to participate and give you 10 min of my time,,,you better unerstand that i do not do it for any other reason beside to put the truth on the table.
i am VERY femiliar with every group of athletes in usa and abroad and with their drug needs and ofcourse use and abuse,, from marathon runners to cyclists to boxers to football players to powerlifters and ofcourse bodybuilders.
what i say on getbig is out of years of experience and years of actually
working with natural athletes,,clean athetes,,and hormonized athletes + working on my own self both naturally and hormonized.
when you want to be called natural,,, you will know how to do it even if you use hormones. it is your first priority and NO ONE else will know it but you. when you aim at pleasing and being at the top where drugs are seen as absolute horror and end of career with big stain,,you will do whatever it takes to swim with the fish even though youre a shark. you will end up eating them but you will always swim around them comfortably if you know what youre doing.
the 190-192lb guy i seen in oneof the posts above is at 6-7% BF. it is possible naturally at the heights mentioned. if you get there naturally you are one lucky dude. that is where it will stop though.
now,, i never said adonis had the best natural physiqe! i said adonis with 10-15 extra lb at 5-6% is where it stops naturally. he does not have the best physiqe because that dady mady boy is washing the floor with him.
i got nothing else to add to this dicussion because you will learn it sooner or later in your bodybuilding endevour.
good luck