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How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« on: August 14, 2011, 01:31:51 PM »
Any day now, we should see stories in the media about Perry being "crazy," attacking his family, his religion, his sexual orientation, etc., etc.  Probably very little on the performance of the Texas economy during his tenure as governor.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 01:32:39 PM »
Ah yes, candidate vetting is now considered gotcha journalism in this era of pussification.


In 1959, we would have known about JFK's painkiller addiction.  Think about that one ;)

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2011, 01:34:25 PM »
 ::)  I fully expect "Palin faked her pregnancy" stuff from liberal lackeys.  Stay tuned.   :)

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 01:35:20 PM »
Any day now, we should see stories in the media about Perry being "crazy," attacking his family, his religion, his sexual orientation, etc., etc.  Probably very little on the performance of the Texas economy during his tenure as governor.

I don't think the gay rumors/history are that big of a deal.  Bachmann's hubby speaks with a lisp and takes federal money to "un gay" people and it was barely a blip on the radar.

As far as perry's performance - tell me about that, Beach Bum, since you brought it up.  I heard the TX debt has TRIPLED under Perry.   I also heard he used a lot of Obama federal stim $ to create these jobs.  Oh, and that TX leads the nation in min wage jobs.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 01:37:57 PM »
This will never be about Perry as much as Barry wants it to be....Barry fails on an hourly basis and thats what the election will be about.
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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2011, 01:40:20 PM »
This will never be about Perry as much as Barry wants it to be....Barry fails on an hourly basis and thats what the election will be about.

Tell me about it.  One of the most telling things about his presidency (at least to me) was how the market tanked while he was speaking last week and really nose-dived after his speech.  He reeks of incompetence. 

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 01:41:53 PM »
This will never be about Perry as much as Barry wants it to be....Barry fails on an hourly basis and thats what the election will be about.

You're probably right - The 2012 election will be an Up/Down vote on Obama's performance.

The candidates aren't going to do things that much different - None of the GOP field are perfect.  Let's be honest.  Romney IS weird.  Bachmann IS nutty.  Palin IS stupid.  Perry DID borrow to create all those jobs.

But in office, I'll be honest, they'll all do a fairly decent job.  Their handlers won't let them gamble nuclear football codes on poker games, etc.  There's enough of check/balances in place.

it's fun to discuss candidates.  They're an interesting group.  newt meltting down on a conservative host - because he asked an honest question about the state of Newt's campaign team all jumping ship - said a lot about how these candidates need to just toughen the fck up and get thru it.  Hell, Perot's daughter had naked photoshopped pics out there (before everyone had photoshop).  THAT is some dirty shit.  Bush was calling voters implying Mccain had an illigitimate black daughter.  THAT is dirty shit.

Asking "Hey Netwie, your campaign team all quit and you're broke - how realistic are your chances here" - That's completely fair.  Tough up GOP.  It's about obama, not you - hh6 is correct.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2011, 01:42:42 PM »
::)  I fully expect "Palin faked her pregnancy" stuff from liberal lackeys.  Stay tuned.   :)

Give 180 a month or so.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2011, 02:31:33 PM »
As far as perry's performance - tell me about that, Beach Bum, since you brought it up.  I heard the TX debt has TRIPLED under Perry.   I also heard he used a lot of Obama federal stim $ to create these jobs.  Oh, and that TX leads the nation in min wage jobs.

Beach, what were Perry's chief accomplishments as Governor?   Thanks!

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2011, 02:44:17 PM »
Beach, what were Perry's chief accomplishments as Governor?   Thanks!

I'll help Bum out on this one:

http://newamericamedia.org/2011/08/rick-perrys-texas-miracle-con-job.php

Rick Perry’s “Texas Miracle” Con Job

Texas Governor and reported GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry is the nation’s greatest political con artist. With greater scrunity, his so-called Texas economic miracle doesn't hold up.Yet, Perry with generous help from conservative business leaders, tea party acolytes, and suddenly revved up evangelicals will keep the con very much alive. The so-called economic miracle that Perry and his backers peddle is of course that Texas is the runaway national model for how to create lots of private sector jobs, with minimal government red tape, and with a pittance of taxes. It’s the state where the good times are supposedly rolling for everyone, while the bad times are piling up for everyone in every other state.

Debunking Perry’s con is easy. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics found that Texas’ jobless rate has steadily crept up in recent months, not plunged to zero as Perry would have the nation believe. Unemployment was over 8 percent in June. New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Wisconsin, and a slew of other states had lower unemployment rates. And New York and several other states that outshined Texas did it without gutting environmental and labor regulations, slashing taxes, and with bare-boned spending on education, housing, unemployment benefits and health services, as in Texas.

Even the 8 percent plus figure on Texas unemployment, though below the national jobless rate of just above 9 percent, is horribly misleading. In the state’s big cities, such as Houston, the jobless rate matches the national figure, and in rural, impoverished areas, the jobless rate soars to double-digit figures. This means only one thing. More and more people in the state have sunk into or never risen out of poverty. The quality of life indices on Texas amply confirm that. And an increase in the number of poor people invariably translates out to more children in poverty, greater income disparities, a dearth in quality prenatal care, and higher teen birth rates. Texas ranks in the bottom 10 (out of all states) in every one of these areas and is a rock bottom number 50 in the nation in the number who graduate from high school by age 25.

Then there are the types of jobs that have been created. Perry has little to say about them. And there’s a good reason. Nearly 40 percent of them are bottom rung, minimum wage retail and service industry jobs. Texas, along with Mississippi, lead the nation in the number of minimum wage workers.

There’s a good reason for that too. Texas, like most southern and southwest states, is a staunch right-to-work state. Unions are treated as virtual pariahs by Perry and Republican state officials. The result is minimal to nonexistent labor protections and pension benefits. The same holds for health care. Texas is again the national leader in having the highest number of residents without health insurance. Only slightly more than half of the state’s construction workers – who face the highest levels of workplace toxic exposures, injuries and fatalities -- are covered by workers’ compensation.
There’s virtually no chance any of this will change soon, and the reasons again aren’t hard to find. The state makes bare minimum investments in graduate and higher education for professional and job skills training. The state is in the bottom tier in the percentage of jobs that require a college education or degree. Yet, the state’s penny-pinching on education, health care, and professional job investment hasn’t made for a bulging state treasury.

The legislature had to scramble to close a $4 billion deficit in the current year’s budget. Texas officials did the one thing that officials everywhere are adept at doing when faced with budget deficits. They make even more slash-and-burn cuts to the favorite targets -- education and health care, at the expense of the poorest and neediest, and continue their all-out assault on state workers. Here is one glaring example. State officials axed funding for pre-kindergarten programs that served about 100,000 low income children.

The biggest reason, though, for there being little likelihood of change is who runs the state. Democrats hold majorities in a few Texas big cities, but they are an endangered species in Texas state government. The executive branch is run by Perry, and the state legislature is under lock down GOP control. In the 2010 elections, the GOP took a supermajority in the state’s House and even managed to capture two Hispanic-majority seats in south Texas.

Labor hostility, laissez faire taxes and business friendliness, and scorn for regulations, are virtually the sacrosanct Holy Grail in the state legislature and Perry’s state house. Perry genuflects before the grail deeper than nearly all the current crop of GOP presidential candidates. Now that he’s in the presidential race, he’ll take his Texas miracle con job to the nation. The terrifying prospect is more than a few just might buy it.


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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2011, 02:48:54 PM »
Hey straw let's make the nation like cali rigfht?

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2011, 02:50:07 PM »
Hey straw let's make the nation like cali rigfht?

can you ever stick on the topic

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2011, 03:01:14 PM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304760604576428262897285614.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Rick Perry's Crony Capitalism Problem The presidential candidate's signature economic development initiative has raised questions among conservatives  By CHARLES DAMERON Gov. Rick Perry's presidential pitch goes something like this: During one of the worst recessions in American history, he's kept his state "open for business." In the last two years, Texas created over a quarter of a million jobs, meaning that the state's 8% unemployment rate is substantially lower than the rest of the nation's. The governor credits this exceptional growth to things like low taxes and tort reform.

It's a strong message. But one of the governor's signature economic development initiatives—the Texas Emerging Technology Fund—has lately raised serious questions among some conservatives.

The Emerging Technology Fund was created at Mr. Perry's behest in 2005 to act as a kind of public-sector venture capital firm, largely to provide funding for tech start-ups in Texas. Since then, the fund has committed nearly $200 million of taxpayer money to fund 133 companies. Mr. Perry told a group of CEOs in May that the fund's "strategic investments are what's helping us keep groundbreaking innovations in the state." The governor, together with the lieutenant governor and the speaker of the Texas House, enjoys ultimate decision-making power over the fund's investments.

 National Review correspondent Robert Costa on last night's GOP presidential debate and Saturday's Iowa straw poll.
.Among the companies that the Emerging Technology Fund has invested in is Convergen LifeSciences, Inc. It received a $4.5 million grant last year—the second largest grant in the history of the fund. The founder and executive chairman of Convergen is David G. Nance.

In 2009, when Mr. Nance submitted his application for a $4.5 million Emerging Technology Fund grant for Convergen, he and his partners had invested only $1,000 of their own money into their new company, according to documentation prepared by the governor's office in February 2010. But over the years, Mr. Nance managed to invest a lot more than $1,000 in Mr. Perry. Texas Ethics Commission records show that Mr. Nance donated $75,000 to Mr. Perry's campaigns between 2001 and 2006.

The regional panel that reviewed Convergen's application turned down the company's $4.5 million request when it presented its proposal on Oct. 7, 2009. But Mr. Nance appealed that decision directly to a statewide advisory committee (of which Mr. Nance was once a member) appointed by Mr. Perry. Just eight days later, on Oct. 15, a subcommittee unanimously recommended approval by the full statewide committee. On Oct. 29, the full advisory committee unanimously recommended the approval of Convergen's application. When asked why the advisory committee felt comfortable recommending Convergen's grant, Lucy Nashed, a spokesperson for Mr. Perry, said that the committee "thoroughly vetted the company."

Starting in 2008, Mr. Perry also appropriated approximately $2 million in federal taxpayer money through the auspices of the Wagner-Peyser Act—a federal works program founded during the New Deal and overseen in Texas by Mr. Perry's office—to a nonprofit launched by Mr. Nance called Innovate Texas. The nonprofit was meant to help entrepreneurs by linking them to investors. It began receiving funding on Dec. 31, 2008, soon after Mr. Nance's previous company, Introgen Therapeutics, declared bankruptcy on Dec. 3. According to state records, Mr. Nance paid himself $250,000 for the two years he ran Innovate Texas. Innovate Texas, whose listed phone number is not a working number, could not be reached for comment. (Two phone calls left for Mr. Nance at Convergen's offices went unreturned.)

ThromboVision, Inc., a medical imaging company, was also the recipient of an award from the Emerging Technology Fund: It received $1.5 million in 2007. Charles Tate, a major Perry contributor, served as the chairman of a state committee that reviewed ThromboVision's application for state funding, and Mr. Tate voted to give ThromboVision the public money. One month after ThromboVision received notification that it would receive a $1.5 million state grant in April 2007, Mr. Tate invested his own money in ThromboVision, according to the Dallas Morning News. The Texas paper later found that by 2010 Mr. Tate owned a total of 200,000 preferred shares in ThromboVision.

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.According to a Texas state auditor's report, ThromboVision failed to submit required annual reports to the fund from 2008 through 2010, when the company went bankrupt. The report noted the tech fund's managers were "unaware of ThromboVision, Inc.'s bankruptcy until after the bankruptcy had been reported in a newspaper." ThromboVision's bankruptcy filing revealed not only that Mr. Tate had been a preferred shareholder in ThromboVision, but so had prominent Perry supporter Charles Miller, who owned 250,000 preferred shares in the company and has donated $125,000 to the governor's campaigns. Three phone calls and an email seeking Mr. Tate's side of the story went unreturned.

All told, the Dallas Morning News has found that some $16 million from the tech fund has gone to firms in which major Perry contributors were either investors or officers, and $27 million from the fund has gone to companies founded or advised by six advisory board members. The tangle of interests surrounding the fund has raised eyebrows throughout the state, especially among conservatives who think the fund is a misplaced use of taxpayer dollars to start with.

"It is fundamentally immoral and arrogant," says state representative David Simpson, a tea party-backed freshman from Longview, two hours east of Dallas. The fund "opened the door to the appearance of impropriety, if not actual impropriety."

In April, the state auditor's office called for greater transparency in the fund's management, and some legislators began looking for ways that the fund might be reformed. With the state facing a $27 billion budget shortfall in the last legislative session, Mr. Simpson filed a motion in the Texas House in May to shutter the fund and redirect the money to other portions of the budget. That measure passed 89-37 to cheers from the chamber. But the fund was kept alive by the legislature's conference committee. The fund currently has $140 million to spend, according to the governor's office.

Michael Quinn Sullivan, the president of Texans for Fiscal Responsibility, sees in the Emerging Technology Fund a classic example of the perils of government pork. "The problem with these kinds of funds is that even when they're used with the best of intentions, it looks bad," says Mr. Sullivan. "You're taking from the average taxpayer and giving to someone who has a connection with government officials."

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2011, 03:07:14 PM »
TA already posted some stuff about him being gay and having a gay affair.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2011, 03:08:44 PM »
Any day now, we should see stories in the media about Perry being "crazy," attacking his family, his religion, his sexual orientation, etc., etc.  Probably very little on the performance of the Texas economy during his tenure as governor.
You mean like the type of shit Karl Rove pulled against opponents all the time?

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2011, 03:10:41 PM »
Lmao.  While not to my liking, those numbers are a decimal point compared to the garbage obama has pulled w gs, ge, citi, aig, solynadra, etc.  Perry is not my choice, but compared to what he have now, its not even close. 

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2011, 03:31:42 PM »
Hey straw let's make the nation like cali rigfht?

I'll take CA over TX any day but what doe that to do with Perry shitty record ?

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2011, 03:56:47 PM »
Again...its about your fucking idiot president not Perry. We're a center right country....Perry is a hell of alot more right then that communist piece of shit in the white house now. Anybody would be better then Obama. The Tea Party isn't gonna get a hard right candidate elected so forget it.
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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2011, 04:18:02 PM »
Would he do a worse job than Obama has? I doubt it.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2011, 04:38:45 PM »
TA already posted some stuff about him being gay and having a gay affair.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.  Attacking his politics and his record is fine.  What I expect to see are the kinds of tactics used against Palin, Bachmann, and Romney.  They want to portray Romney as "weird."  Attacking Bachmann's husband.  Attacking Palin's family. 

Because it looks like Perry will be a frontrunner and poses a threat to Obama, I expect him to be next. 

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2011, 04:39:08 PM »
let's focus upon his performance as he asked.

He tripled Texas' debt.  

Would he do a worse job than Obama has? I doubt it.

From 2001 to 2010, Texas' state debt under Perry grew from $13.4 billion to $37.8 billion , according to the Texas Bond Review Board

So yes, it looks like Perry is outperforming Obama in terms of amassing debt....


The national debt is up a very dismal 35% under Obama.

From 2001 to 2010, Texas' state debt under Perry grew from $13.4 billion to $37.8 billion , according to the Texas Bond Review Board

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2011, 04:52:04 PM »
This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.  Attacking his politics and his record is fine.  What I expect to see are the kinds of tactics used against Palin, Bachmann, and Romney.  They want to portray Romney as "weird."  Attacking Bachmann's husband.  Attacking Palin's family. 

Because it looks like Perry will be a frontrunner and poses a threat to Obama, I expect him to be next. 
I like how you make is sound as if only liberals/dems do this lol...  figures...

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2011, 04:55:35 PM »
it's so funny to step back..


Perry is a former Al Gore campaign manager, who got a D in economics, who TRIPLED his state's debt in two terms.

And repubs are forced to defend him.  LMAO.  Look at the bucket of shit you're defending.  Former lib who just can't stop spending - and a globalist at that.  LMFAO.  You dumb shites. 

Granted, I'll vote perry over obama for the reduction in spending alone.  But it is dogshite funny to see the level of defense you have here - Perry is a spendhappy globalist - and you guys are defending him.  LMFAO.

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2011, 04:56:06 PM »
I like how you make is sound as if only liberals/dems do this lol...  figures...

Where did I say that?  And what does that have to do with calling Perry a homosexual, etc.?  

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Re: How long before the attacks on Perry begin?
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2011, 04:56:45 PM »
it's so funny to step back..


Perry is a former Al Gore campaign manager, who got a D in economics, who TRIPLED his state's debt in two terms.

And repubs are forced to defend him.  LMAO.  Look at the bucket of shit you're defending.  Former lib who just can't stop spending - and a globalist at that.  LMFAO.  You dumb shites.  

Granted, I'll vote perry over obama for the reduction in spending alone.  But it is dogshite funny to see the level of defense you have here - Perry is a spendhappy globalist - and you guys are defending him.  LMFAO.

You're one of the biggest liberals on this board. You should be worshiping the guy. He's like a better version of Huntsman, who you couldn't stop praising a few months ago.

By the way, you've logged at least 20,000 posts praising Obama, you fucking hypocrite. Pot meet kettle.