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http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/outposts/post/rare-albino-deer-bagged-11-year-old/
An 11-year-old Michigan hunter last week killed a rare albino deer while on a hunting trip with his father.
This week, the story is generating a wide range of emotional feedback on Facebook.
Gavin’s father, Mick Dingman, told WZZM 13 that he and his son had spotted the white deer several times in recent the years, and that other hunters had talked about trying to bag the animal.
An admittedly nervous Gavin used a crossbow from 30 yards to harvest the 12-point trophy buck, and the news quickly spread in hunting circles.
“He kind of feels like a rock star right now,” Mick Dingman said. “Everyone is calling, all of the hunting shows and hunting magazines.”
Sentiments being expressed on the WZZM 13 Facebook page, where the albino deer story has been shared more than 4,000 times, are somewhat mixed.
“He should have let it live. There are plenty of others out there,” reads one of hundreds of comments.
“If it’s rare, why the hell would he kill it?” reads another.
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What a hero. ???
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If he didnt bag and tag it someone else would have. I give props to the kid for bagging an awesome trophy!!! But then again I'm from Ohio where I think everyone but me hunts hahaha!
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So much for white privilege.
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Stupid white rednecks "hunting for fun" homos :D
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I couldn't do it. Neither do I want to. There will be a lot of kids in school hating on that kid.
The father is an idiot. Pure and simple.
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A lot of delusional meat-eaters ITT that pay somebody else to kill animals for them.
At least the kid understands what he does.
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:D
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A lot of delusional meat-eaters ITT that pay somebody else to kill animals for them.
At least the kid understands what he does.
There's a difference in killing for survival and to eat and there's numb nuts that kill for trophies and as a "sport"
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There's a difference in killing for survival and to eat and there's numb nuts that kill for trophies and as a "sport"
And you are positive that you can tell the difference from an online article? Some people here in the states require game to supplement their winter supplies.
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Are they sure it was a 11 year old boy and not Branch Warren standing on platform heels?
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What a piece of shit parent, albino's are retarded easy to hunt, and retarded rare in the wild for that very reason.
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Racism still rife
If it was a brown deer no one would care
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What a piece of shit parent, albino's are retarded easy to hunt, and retarded rare in the wild for that very reason.
Do regale us with your experience hunting albino game.
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me personally i would let it live cause its rare man,i mean its a beautiful site to see wandering the hills and forest.imo they shoulda made it a protected species thing with that white deer,as far as hunting goes i could see if this was 100yrs ago and we needed to kill animals just to feed our families but just to end that animals life so u can brag to freinds or use a trophy is just not right in my opinion,but hey to each their own and im not bashing hunters its just that im not into it at all,fishing yes all day but not hunting
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me personally i would let it live cause its rare man,i mean its a beautiful site to see wandering the hills and forest.imo they shoulda made it a protected species thing with that white deer,as far as hunting goes i could see if this was 100yrs ago and we needed to kill animals just to feed our families but just to end that animals life so u can brag to freinds or use a trophy is just not right in my opinion,but hey to each their own and im not bashing hunters its just that im not into it at all,fishing yes all day but not hunting
Because fish have less of a right to live?
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There is a reason why ALBINO deer are rare in the wild. They stand out so much that even a 11 yr old with a crossbow can kill one from 30 yards out. They stand out more than Lee Priest at a Basketball camp.
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There is a reason why ALBINO deer are rare in the wild. They stand out so much that even a 11 yr old with a crossbow can kill one from 30 yards out. They stand out more than Lee Priest at a Basketball camp.
Except in the winter.
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Except in the winter.
True, but that is if they make it to winter. And if it actually snows.
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Also, albinism frequently carries a whole host of genetic disorders including diminished hearing and sight. More than likely, removing this "beautiful" animal has strengthened the herd.
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True, but that is if they make it to winter. And if it actually snows.
It does in Michigan.
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Love the stance of Tbo there!
Is it the pose of "cancer"? :D
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Brave young man
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Because fish have less of a right to live?
From my understanding, many trophy fish are usually released.
Now, of course you do have some places that the fish are brought to shore and weighed, measured, pictured, etc and I don't know what happens after that.
But, in general, specisism does play a part. Furry animals tug at the heart strings of humans, and we can relate more to them than a cold fish.It does in Michigan.
It does in Michigan.
It does in Michigan.
I'm sure it does. But that is one part of the year.
Also, albinism frequently carries a whole host of genetic disorders including diminished hearing and sight. More than likely, removing this "beautiful" animal has strengthened the herd.
Quite true, so let that animal die naturally, from predators. And we are assuming that it hasn't already mated or passed on it's genes.
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Love the stance of Tbo there!
Is it the pose of "cancer"? :D
Warrior crab stance :D
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(http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/modcentral/halflife/crossbow.jpg)
aaah, those were the days... 8)
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aaah, those were the days... 8)
half life?
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yup. :)
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Add raging redneck to the list of AJ ailments :D
Deep down, I think he would love a post apocalyptic world.
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Add raging redneck to the list of AJ ailments :D
Deep down, I think he would love a post apocalyptic world.
Today, I am a raging homeowner as the nor'easter is bringing water into my basement.
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http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/outposts/post/rare-albino-deer-bagged-11-year-old/
An 11-year-old Michigan hunter last week killed a rare albino deer while on a hunting trip with his father.
This week, the story is generating a wide range of emotional feedback on Facebook.
Gavin’s father, Mick Dingman, told WZZM 13 that he and his son had spotted the white deer several times in recent the years, and that other hunters had talked about trying to bag the animal.
An admittedly nervous Gavin used a crossbow from 30 yards to harvest the 12-point trophy buck, and the news quickly spread in hunting circles.
“He kind of feels like a rock star right now,” Mick Dingman said. “Everyone is calling, all of the hunting shows and hunting magazines.”
Sentiments being expressed on the WZZM 13 Facebook page, where the albino deer story has been shared more than 4,000 times, are somewhat mixed.
“He should have let it live. There are plenty of others out there,” reads one of hundreds of comments.
“If it’s rare, why the hell would he kill it?” reads another.
future serial killer right there, he's got the eyes of madness... his mother should be proud....
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Give him some slack, he is a kid. Most kid's don't understand to value life. I used to torture insects or my neighbours puppy for fun.
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Ah yes, hunting threads, bringing out all kinds of hypocritical holier than thou types vehemtly attacking others via illogical, emotional outbursts.
Great thread.
FYI, most hunters eat what they kill. I havent hunted since i was a kid, and i only used to hunt ducks and geese with my old man, but we ate everything we shot. People that rail against hunting usually have zero clue what actually happens and zero clue how hypocritical they are.
Carry on.
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I would kill the deer if it were legal. In Tennessee shooting a true albino that has pink eyes and pigmentation of the ears is illegal.
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A lot of delusional meat-eaters ITT that pay somebody else to kill animals for them.
At least the kid understands what he does.
Exactly.
All the haters had better be vegans...or they should shut the fuck up.
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Exactly.
All the haters had better be vegans...or they should shut the fuck up.
This. Young kid learning the responsibility to use a weapon, respect animals, and the woods. That animal needed to be taken out of the gene pool.
Guys who are against this probably have sons that never turn off their playstation and would catch a cold if they went outside for more then 10 minutes.
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This. Young kid learning the responsibility to use a weapon, respect animals, and the woods. That animal needed to be taken out of the gene pool.
Guys who are against this probably have sons that never turn off their playstation and would catch a cold if they went outside for more then 10 minutes.
The issue is when people hunt for fun, not food.
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This. Young kid learning the responsibility to use a weapon, respect animals, and the woods. That animal needed to be taken out of the gene pool.
Guys who are against this probably have sons that never turn off their playstation and would catch a cold if they went outside for more then 10 minutes.
I hear this cliche saying all the time (that kids who learn how to hunt are learning how to respect mother nature and all that crap). Show me the evidence of this. Is there any indication that because one learns how to hunt, that one is going to respect mother nature? In fact, I think the opposite would happen. I think man's continued assumption that he can dominate and pillage mother nature and not respect her would be influenced by hunting. Youre teaching a young kid that if he wants anything from nature, he can just take it by force by using a weapon. Is his father really teaching him about the biodiversity of life, the repercussions of certain actions against nature, the cycles of the earth, etc. I doubt it. Not a very egalitarian way to live with nature. I never learned how to hunt or shoot a gun when I was younger and I still have respect for mother nature (the woods).
As stated above, the whole bullshit statement of, "These fine young boys are learning how to respect mother nature by shooting an innocent dear" (or however you want to phrase it) is so cliche. Its a hunters most famous line when teaching his young son how to kill something.
You realize you can easily bring your child into the woods and have them explore mother nature without killing anything. I knew someone who had his PhD in Ecology. Him and his children used to go into the woods and explore the plants, wildlife, etc. They never killed anything. His kids respect the woods. The father used to teach them all sorts of interesting facts about mother nature. That is how you get someone to respect something else. Not just by blowing away a dear.
My post has little to do with meat eaters or vegans. If someone kills and eats their food I am fine with that. I just hate the bullshit statement (that is almost always used) that this kid is learning respect for mother nature. It seems like many of these little kids who go out and kill stuff have the exact same mentality as their fathers, i.e., pompous, manly, "we are better than everyone" attitude about them. Grrrr, we killed an innocent dear 100 yards away with a rifle. So manly and tough. :-\ :-\
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I hear this cliche saying all the time (that kids who learn how to hunt are learning how to respect mother nature and all that crap). Show me the evidence of this. Is there any indication that because one learns how to hunt, that one is going to respect mother nature? In fact, I think the opposite would happen. I think man's continued assumption that he can dominate and pillage mother nature and not respect her would be influenced by hunting. Youre teaching a young kid that if he wants anything from nature, he can just take it by force by using a weapon. Not a very egalitarian way to live with nature. I never learned how to hunt or shoot a gun when I was younger and I still have respect for mother nature (the woods).
As stated above, the whole bullshit statement of, "These fine young boys are learning how to respect mother nature by shooting an innocent dear" (or however you want to phrase it) is so cliche. Its a hunters most famous line when teaching his young son how to kill something.
You realize you can easily bring your child into the woods and have them explore mother nature without killing anything. I knew someone who had his PhD in Ecology. Him and his children used to go into the woods and explore the plants, wildlife, etc. They never killed anything. His kids respect the woods.
My post has little to do with meat eaters or vegans. If someone kills and eats their food I am fine with that. I just hate the bullshit statement (that is almost always used) that this kid is learning respect for mother nature. It seems like many of these little kids who go out and kill stuff have the exact same mentality as their fathers, i.e., pompous, manly, "we are better than everyone" attitude about them. Grrrr, we killed an innocent dear 100 yards away with a rifle. So manly and tough. :-\ :-\
If you grow up hunting you learn to take care of that environment. The only evidence I can show you is the amount of trash I carry out of the woods with me. I love to hunt and I love the woods I spend all day in. Therefore I take care of it, so it will remain such a place.
I live near a very large and popular nature center with a hundred miles of walking trails. Theirs wrappers and trash all over the place. The state forest that everyone hunts in is clean as it was 1,000 years ago.
That's great that your friend takes their kids out, but if you have an issue with hunting your just a modern day wimp. Your statement about taking whatever you want from nature with force tells me you've never spent any amount of time in the woods.
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If you grow up hunting you learn to take care of that environment. The only evidence I can show you is the amount of trash I carry out of the woods with me. I love to hunt and I love the woods I spend all day in. Therefore I take care of it, so it will remain such a place.
I live near a very large and popular nature center with a hundred miles of walking trails. Theirs wrappers and trash all over the place. The state forest that everyone hunts in is clean as it was 1,000 years ago.
That's great that your friend takes their kids out, but if you have an issue with hunting your just a modern day wimp. Your statement about taking whatever you want from nature with force tells me you've never spent any amount of time in the woods.
ha, yes, and I am sure you are such a manly man because you hunt ::) ::) Oh brotha, another idiot who equates hunting with being a man. another Branch Warren-type. Grrrr.
There is a difference between hunting and taking something by force. If you can't see the difference, than you're an idiot.
If you consider me a wimp because i am against this sort of cruelty (hunting elephants for tusks) then consider me a wimp. To me, this sort of barbarism, is taking something by force. I do not need to spend time in the woods to know this.
(http://www.tusk.org/userfiles/image/poaching/_med/poached-elephant.jpeg)
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That elephant was killed by poachers, not by hunters. If you knew anything about hunting in Africa, you'd know that even trophy hunters in Africa give the meat to the indigenous people. And they eat it.
Plus, now that the anti-ivory laws are in place, the plains are overrun with elephant and the game wardens shoot them from helicopters with machine guns. So much for your love of nature.
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I don't know if I would have killed the deer. I'm not against hunting on principle but I think if I saw an albino dear I would have let him live even if it was for one extra day as thanks for the unique opportunity I was granted to something so rare up close.
I have venison in my freezer right now.
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this deer was winning the battle against nature, because it was born without camouflage.
white people ::)
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ha, yes, and I am sure you are such a manly man because you hunt ::) ::) Oh brotha, another idiot who equates hunting with being a man. another Branch Warren-type. Grrrr.
There is a difference between hunting and taking something by force. If you can't see the difference, than you're an idiot.
If you consider me a wimp because i am against this sort of cruelty (hunting elephants for tusks) then consider me a wimp. To me, this sort of barbarism, is taking something by force. I do not need to spend time in the woods to know this.
(http://www.tusk.org/userfiles/image/poaching/_med/poached-elephant.jpeg)
I guess I am because that's hunting by definition. Pretty tough to kill an animal without force. Your comparing a good clean legal kill to poaching which is illegal and wrong. At least you admit you have no knowledge of nature.
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this deer was winning the battle against nature, because it was born without camouflage.
white people ::)
In defense of the white kid, the deer had just stolen cigars from a local liquor stores minutes before he was killed.
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ha, yes, and I am sure you are such a manly man because you hunt ::) ::) Oh brotha, another idiot who equates hunting with being a man. another Branch Warren-type. Grrrr.
There is a difference between hunting and taking something by force. If you can't see the difference, than you're an idiot.
If you consider me a wimp because i am against this sort of cruelty (hunting elephants for tusks) then consider me a wimp. To me, this sort of barbarism, is taking something by force. I do not need to spend time in the woods to know this.
(http://www.tusk.org/userfiles/image/poaching/_med/poached-elephant.jpeg)
Thats poaching...which is horrific and completely different than hunting, which practices sustainability and not wasting anything...kind of the polar opposite of poaching.
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yup. :)
lol
Played half life2 . A lot
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I guess I am because that's hunting by definition. Pretty tough to kill an animal without force. Your comparing a good clean legal kill to poaching which is illegal and wrong. At least you admit you have no knowledge of nature.
If you were such a man, then why do you need a high powered rifle to kill an animal? Surely, our ancestors didn't kill that way. Do you really think it takes a man to kill a deer from a 100 yard away with a high powered rifle? I mean, if an 8 year old kid can to do it, then clearly it really doesnt take a manly man to do such a thing.
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In defense of the white kid, the deer had just stolen cigars from a local liquor stores minutes before he was killed.
Impossible. The deer is clearly white.
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lol
Played half life2 . A lot
I remember Doom II, Quake II, Half Life, Half Life 2, Jedi Knight, etc etc etc
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Impossible. The deer is clearly white.
White privilege didn't save him.
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If you were such a man, then why do you need a high powered rifle to kill an animal? Surely, our ancestors didn't kill that way. Do you really think it takes a man to kill a deer from a 100 yard away with a high powered rifle? I mean, if an 8 year old kid can to do it, then clearly it really doesnt take a manly man to do such a thing.
This is a retarded line of questioning and completely beneath you.
Animal predators evolved teeth and claws. We evolved brains. And invented tools.
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Didn't the indians revere the mystical white buffalo? They would never dream of killing one.
Generation nothingness.
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This is a retarded line of questioning and completely beneath you.
Animal predators evolved teeth and claws. We evolved brains. And invented tools.
Say it for what it is AJ. The majority of hunters don't need to kill for food.
They do it, because it's legal to shoot and kill things.
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This is a retarded line of questioning and completely beneath you.
Animal predators evolved teeth and claws. We evolved brains. And invented tools.
Then how do you explain shizzo? ??? ??? :-\ :-\
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If you were such a man, then why do you need a high powered rifle to kill an animal? Surely, our ancestors didn't kill that way. Do you really think it takes a man to kill a deer from a 100 yard away with a high powered rifle? I mean, if an 8 year old kid can to do it, then clearly it really doesnt take a manly man to do such a thing.
I'm assuming your a female? Our ancestors used barbaric methods to kill. They used deadfalls and snares that are illegal today. They had to stick dozens of animals to take it down. Indians often shot a deer and tracked the blood trail for days trying to shoot it again.
The kid used a crossbow not a high powered rifle. The manly thing is being able to get out in the wild, deal with the elements, and get your own food. The beef you eat was killed with a high powered rifle at point blank range in the head. But it comes in a plastic container for you so your ignorant ass doesn't have to think about it.
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Can we all agree that dynamite fishing is stupid?
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Say it for what it is AJ. The majority of hunters don't need to kill for food.
They do it, because it's legal to shoot and kill things.
It's true. They can pay the local butcher to kill for them. MUCH more moral.
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It's true. They can pay the local butcher to kill for them. MUCH more moral.
That has nothing to do with it imo.
It has everything to do with hunters enjoying the killing.
Better than killing humans right?
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I'm assuming your a female? Our ancestors used barbaric methods to kill. They used deadfalls and snares that are illegal today. They had to stick dozens of animals to take it down. Indians often shot a deer and tracked the blood trail for days trying to shoot it again.
The kid used a crossbow not a high powered rifle. The manly thing is being able to get out in the wild, deal with the elements, and get your own food. The beef you eat was killed with a high powered rifle at point blank range in the head. But it comes in a plastic container for you so your ignorant ass doesn't have to think about it.
Why don't you go and wrestle a bear or take down a moose by its antlers? ??? ???
Another manly man who thinks he is doing a mans job by taking out a helpless dear from 100 yards away. Plus, that crossbow is sort of high powered. The kid should have used one of these. Then he would have earned his man stripes
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Murricans and there killing instruments of peace....
Out of curiosity, is it mainly bible thumpers who practice such peacefull things with instruments of peace?
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Then how do you explain shizzo? ??? ??? :-\ :-\
I have proven myself as a man of both brains and braun.
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Can someone chop this guys head on the kid. Thanks
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Can someone chop this guys head on the kid. Thanks
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where is ironmeister when you need him. ;D ;D
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Why don't you go and wrestle a bear or take down a moose by its antlers? ??? ???
Another manly man who thinks he is doing a mans job by taking out a helpless dear from 100 yards away. Plus, that crossbow is sort of high powered. The kid should have used one of these. Then he would have earned his man stripes
(http://images.all-free-download.com/images/graphiclarge/bow_with_arrow_117570.jpg)
They reacon the draw weight on an english long bow was 120lbs, pulled right back to the ear and held to aim....
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Why don't you go and wrestle a bear or take down a moose by its antlers? ??? ???
Another manly man who thinks he is doing a mans job by taking out a helpless dear from 100 yards away. Plus, that crossbow is sort of high powered. The kid should have used one of these. Then he would have earned his man stripes
(http://images.all-free-download.com/images/graphiclarge/bow_with_arrow_117570.jpg)
So now your saying killing an animal will make you a man? If the natives had the tools we have today they would use them. Just leave the hunting to those who do it. I'll leave the barbaric meat industry you buy from alone as well.
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This woman killed a black deer and they wanted to charge her with a hate crime
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This one was faster than all the others and got away
(http://www.outdoors-411.com/news/wildlife/images/071116-black-mule-deer.jpg)
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They reacon the draw weight on an english long bow was 120lbs, pulled right back to the ear and held to aim....
exactly. thats a real man!!!
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So now your saying killing an animal will make you a man? If the natives had the tools we have today they would use them. Just leave the hunting to those who do it. I'll leave the barbaric meat industry you buy from alone as well.
you were the one who implied that hunting and being in the woods is what makes you such a manly man. ??? ??? ???
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This woman killed a black deer and they wanted to charge her with a hate crime
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Mud shark >:(
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I remember Doom II, Quake II, Half Life, Half Life 2, Jedi Knight, etc etc etc
Unreal tournament was great.
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Unreal tournament was great.
I remember one of my first jobs was in an office working on a computer. All of us would play games like these all day.
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Ah yes, hunting threads, bringing out all kinds of hypocritical holier than thou types vehemtly attacking others via illogical, emotional outbursts.
Great thread.
FYI, most hunters eat what they kill. I havent hunted since i was a kid, and i only used to hunt ducks and geese with my old man, but we ate everything we shot. People that rail against hunting usually have zero clue what actually happens and zero clue how hypocritical they are.
Carry on.
I fail to see the hypocrisy as one animal is wild and the other was bred in captivity specifically for the purpose of being eaten.
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The issue is when people hunt for fun, not food.
Hunting for food is completely unnecessary given the strength of our breeding programs which are specifically for eating.
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Hunting for food is completely unnecessary given the strength of our breeding programs which are specifically for eating.
People that hunt boast all day about how they do it for the food, to be a man, to learn about mother nature, etc. its all bullshit. most hunters these days do it to impress their other hunting friends. if they were doing it for the reasons stated above, why post a picture of yourself on fb with the dead animal? Hunters hunt to prove to another hunter who has the biggest dick, via the biggest kill. thousands of years ago people hunted and respected the kill. now its just a bunch of self-righteous idiots who are trying to be badass. yet, they cloak their need to kill behind, "I am learning more about nature." ::) ::)
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People that hunt boast all day about how they do it for the food, to be a man, to learn about mother nature, etc. its all bullshit. most hunters these days do it to impress their other hunting friends. if they were doing it for the reasons stated above, why post a picture of yourself on fb with the dead animal? Hunters hunt to prove to another hunter who has the biggest dick, via the biggest kill. thousands of years ago people hunted and respected the kill. now its just a bunch of self-righteous idiots who are trying to be badass. yet, they cloak their need to kill behind, "I am learning more about nature." ::) ::)
Its a powertrip. Its sad and primtive.
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Hunting would only be a fair sport if the Deer could fire back.
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I came up with these alternatives the other day actually to REALLY make it a sport and a fair one at that.
It should be legal to hunt, however you have to register your name in a database. The database is then accessible to anyone and allows for you to be shot and hunted at any moment in your life by anyone wanting to hunt you. That puts you as fair game and allows you to truly get in the sport of things. That would be fair.
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There should be a designated area of land set aside just for hunting, but the rule is anything is allowed to be shot which includes any person.
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Hunters have to wear a Deer costume when they go hunting at all times.
I think that would probably be the fairest way to make hunting a sport.
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I fail to see the hypocrisy as one animal is wild and the other was bred in captivity specifically for the purpose of being eaten.
i wasnt getting specifically into either side or the meat issue, just that these arguments bring out the hypocrisy and emotion driven outbursts.
Thread so far is a great example.
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People that hunt boast all day about how they do it for the food, to be a man, to learn about mother nature, etc. its all bullshit. most hunters these days do it to impress their other hunting friends. if they were doing it for the reasons stated above, why post a picture of yourself on fb with the dead animal? Hunters hunt to prove to another hunter who has the biggest dick, via the biggest kill. thousands of years ago people hunted and respected the kill. now its just a bunch of self-righteous idiots who are trying to be badass. yet, they cloak their need to kill behind, "I am learning more about nature." ::) ::)
Hunters don`t know anything about "mother nature". Most don`t even believe in evolution.
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Hunting would only be a fair sport if the Deer could fire back.
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I came up with these alternatives the other day actually to REALLY make it a sport and a fair one at that.
It should be legal to hunt, however you have to register your name in a database. The database is then accessible to anyone and allows for you to be shot and hunted at any moment in your life by anyone wanting to hunt you. That puts you as fair game and allows you to truly get in the sport of things. That would be fair.
OR
There should be a designated area of land set aside just for hunting, but the rule is anything is allowed to be shot which includes any person.
OR
Hunters have to wear a Deer costume when they go hunting at all times.
I think that would probably be the fairest way to make hunting a sport.
Here is a fun thought experiment I came up with for a class.
Would you think it would be fair to allow an alien species who are as far removed from humans in intelligence and civilizations as we are from other animals like deer to hunt us?
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Hunting would only be a fair sport if the Deer could fire back.
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I came up with these alternatives the other day actually to REALLY make it a sport and a fair one at that.
It should be legal to hunt, however you have to register your name in a database. The database is then accessible to anyone and allows for you to be shot and hunted at any moment in your life by anyone wanting to hunt you. That puts you as fair game and allows you to truly get in the sport of things. That would be fair.
OR
There should be a designated area of land set aside just for hunting, but the rule is anything is allowed to be shot which includes any person.
OR
Hunters have to wear a Deer costume when they go hunting at all times.
I think that would probably be the fairest way to make hunting a sport.
Another alternative is to install motion mounted guns in the hunting grounds that are controlled by computer by anyone wanting to hunt the hunters.
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Deer mounted guns that automatically fire back using Iron Dome technology.
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Here is a fun thought experiment I came up with for a class.
Would you think it would be fair to allow an alien species who are as far removed from humans in intelligence and civilizations as we are from other animals like deer to hunt us?
Only if we had equal weapons and technology to fight back I suppose.
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The hypocrisy I see here is, people want to say bodybuilding is not a sport, yet somehow hunting is. ::)
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The hypocrisy I see here is, people want to say bodybuilding is not a sport, yet somehow hunting is. ::)
Funny you brought that up. I remember reading how a lot of the things we do now became "sports" or Olympic sports was because we no longer need to do them anymore and "gentlemen" in the modern world wanted to see who was better at them within their own pool. So, rowing became a sport, horseback riding became a sport, and shooting clays/skeet became a sport. And I guess you add "hunting".
Notice that rowing and horseback ridic are what we used to do for transportation. And now, drive cars and ride boats, and guess what? Those are included as sports---race car drivers and boat racers.
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Another alternative is to install motion mounted guns in the hunting grounds that are controlled by computer by anyone wanting to hunt the hunters.
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Deer mounted guns that automatically fire back using Iron Dome technology.
Or you could go to the ranch and kill the bull yourself.
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TA, only one registered troll per thread. You know the rules. Go find your own playground. I am sure that there is someone out there preaching IIFYM.
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I don't care much for hunting either way (unless it's an illegal hunt or the animal is endangered) but the pictures of these hunters standing proudly next to their kill are embarrassing.
Yeah, shooting an defenceless animal from 100 yards away with a high powered rifle is real tough. ::)
Funny thing is that if you put these guys on a real battlefield against people who fire back, they would shit their pants. :D
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Or you could go to the ranch and kill the bull yourself.
real men bulldog their steers...
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I don't care much for hunting either way (unless it's an illegal hunt or the animal is endangered) but the pictures of these hunters standing proudly next to their kill are embarrassing.
Yeah, shooting an defenceless animal from 100 yards away with a high powered rifle is real tough. ::)
Funny thing is that if you put these guys on a real battlefield against people who fire back, they would shit their pants. :D
i think you are confusing "hunters" with "Europeans"
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I hear this cliche saying all the time (that kids who learn how to hunt are learning how to respect mother nature and all that crap). Show me the evidence of this. Is there any indication that because one learns how to hunt, that one is going to respect mother nature? In fact, I think the opposite would happen. I think man's continued assumption that he can dominate and pillage mother nature and not respect her would be influenced by hunting. Youre teaching a young kid that if he wants anything from nature, he can just take it by force by using a weapon. Is his father really teaching him about the biodiversity of life, the repercussions of certain actions against nature, the cycles of the earth, etc. I doubt it. Not a very egalitarian way to live with nature. I never learned how to hunt or shoot a gun when I was younger and I still have respect for mother nature (the woods).
As stated above, the whole bullshit statement of, "These fine young boys are learning how to respect mother nature by shooting an innocent dear" (or however you want to phrase it) is so cliche. Its a hunters most famous line when teaching his young son how to kill something.
You realize you can easily bring your child into the woods and have them explore mother nature without killing anything. I knew someone who had his PhD in Ecology. Him and his children used to go into the woods and explore the plants, wildlife, etc. They never killed anything. His kids respect the woods. The father used to teach them all sorts of interesting facts about mother nature. That is how you get someone to respect something else. Not just by blowing away a dear.
My post has little to do with meat eaters or vegans. If someone kills and eats their food I am fine with that. I just hate the bullshit statement (that is almost always used) that this kid is learning respect for mother nature. It seems like many of these little kids who go out and kill stuff have the exact same mentality as their fathers, i.e., pompous, manly, "we are better than everyone" attitude about them. Grrrr, we killed an innocent dear 100 yards away with a rifle. So manly and tough. :-\ :-\
There is no evidence of this. There are more hunters around me than probably anywhere in the US. Right now as I type this, I hear gunfire and it won`t stop until around 9-10 PM. They all use big trucks and drive on the land to get to their spots so I fail to see how that is doing any good to the terrain. Also, some use dogs or packs of dogs and the treatment of these dogs is horrendous in my opinion. They are kept only for that purpose and usually live shitty lives outside. Lost hunting dogs come on my property all the time with lots of injuries. Just last week we had two band together that were lost and attack a deer outside my window and try to bring it down because they were hungry. Sucks, because it was a deer I had been feeding and helping because it was tiny and I am sure that the rest of them were shot and killed. I usually go out and feed them some Watermelon and they have several places to drink from.
I don`t blame the dogs though but there are tons of them roaming around and its sad what happens to them. Last year, I watched one tear apart a cat in two seconds because it was hungry. If they would respect mother nature, these hunters would not treat these dogs like that.
They are just schmucks with guns in the woods.
Here are some of my deer earlier this month. One of these was attacked by the dogs. I think she made it okay because I chased them away, but they had her by the throat and she was hurt. >:(
(http://s30.postimg.org/feebvyk4h/IMG_2311.jpg)
(http://s7.postimg.org/nemucrugb/IMG_2101.jpg)
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Or you could go to the ranch and kill the bull yourself.
Why? Do you not understand the concept of animals being specifically bred for meat versus an animal that is not? Furthermore, I have always said I would LOVE to have the lab grown meat replace factory farming. It will definitely happen in the future. Not only do you get a better product, you are not killing anything. You can grow as much as you want from a single cell and do not have to house any animals. You can grow any lean to fat ratio you want. Its amazing really and the cost savings all around would be tremendous.
The cattle industry would be out of work though, but that is what happens when technology improves. I say bring it on.
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Why? Do you not understand the concept of animals being specifically bred for meat versus an animal that is not? Furthermore, I have always said I would LOVE to have the lab grown meat replace factory farming. It will definitely happen in the future. Not only do you get a better product, you are not killing anything. You can grow as much as you want from a single cell and do not have to house any animals. You can grow any lean to fat ratio you want. Its amazing really and the cost savings all around would be tremendous.
The cattle industry would be out of work though, but that is what happens when technology improves. I say bring it on.
Think of all the land that would be freed up from having fewer cattle.
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Think of all the land that would be freed up from having fewer cattle.
And the money saved.
50,000 tons of meat grown in vitro can easily be stored in a small corner of a large warehouse.
50,000 tons of meat grown conventionally with animals is going to require a shit ton of space, time and resources to feed the hogs. One 250 lb hog will only yield around 144 lbs of retail cuts and you are looking at around 300-700 dollars to feed just one hog until slaughter.
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Why? Do you not understand the concept of animals being specifically bred for meat versus an animal that is not? Furthermore, I have always said I would LOVE to have the lab grown meat replace factory farming. It will definitely happen in the future. Not only do you get a better product, you are not killing anything. You can grow as much as you want from a single cell and do not have to house any animals. You can grow any lean to fat ratio you want. Its amazing really and the cost savings all around would be tremendous.
The cattle industry would be out of work though, but that is what happens when technology improves. I say bring it on.
So I can just say the deer are bread in the wild to be hunted. They are owned and regulated by the government. You must buy a permit to hunt them from the government. You must report the kill to the government. How is that any different. Just use a play on words so you can go on with your argument. Its the same thing. Its the killing of the animal.
Would you be against cows that were allowed to be free then killed? Or must they be inside a fence for you to eat them before they are shot?
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These people are assholes on a professional level, nothing more and nothing less
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Bison Hunting. ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg)
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I have made a list of things I don't like. What I need now is to confiscate your capital through taxes to pay for a new government department that will use force "and the threat of force" to make sure you don't do the things I don't like.
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So I can just say the deer are bread in the wild to be hunted. They are owned and regulated by the government. You must buy a permit to hunt them from the government. You must report the kill to the government. How is that any different. Just use a play on words so you can go on with your argument. Its the same thing. Its the killing of the animal.
Would you be against cows that were allowed to be free then killed? Or must they be inside a fence for you to eat them before they are shot?
The deer were not bred in captivity specifically for the purpose of consuming. Besides, hunting is inefficient and not cost effective at all and the meat is not going to be near as good as meat that is bred for the purpose of consumption. As I said, its completely unnecessary and pointless to even do. Factory farming does also provide a more humane way to kill versus your average hunter. I take it you have not really hunted much or been around it at all because you would know that the animal usually does not die instantly from a single shot. The potential for suffering is great and it happens all the time whereas in factory farming the actual killing is humane as possible with no suffering.
There are problems with factory farming for sure and I also abhor the conditions the animals are kept in, but luckily there are many alternatives. Free range, pasture fed animals for instance. Most morons think it makes for better beef, but what it really is for is to provide better welfare for the animals.
As I said earlier, the day Lab Grown meat is available, which is feasible, I will never bother with any other type of meat again.
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I have made a list of things I don't like. What I need now is to confiscate your capital through taxes to pay for a new government department that will use force "and the threat of force" to make sure you don't do the things I don't like.
Blame Abe Lincoln for that. He started that and did exactly as you said, created the income tax and used the threat of force and force to invade the South.
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(http://i61.tinypic.com/6zxxlg.jpg)
should have made him 'lowering' himself onto the antlers
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He's clearly very powerful.
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The deer were not bred in captivity specifically for the purpose of consuming. Besides, hunting is inefficient and not cost effective at all and the meat is not going to be near as good as meat that is bred for the purpose of consumption. As I said, its completely unnecessary and pointless to even do. Factory farming does also provide a more humane way to kill versus your average hunter. I take it you have not really hunted much or been around it at all because you would know that the animal usually does not die instantly from a single shot. The potential for suffering is great and it happens all the time whereas in factory farming the actual killing is humane as possible with no suffering.
There are problems with factory farming for sure and I also abhor the conditions the animals are kept in, but luckily there are many alternatives. Free range, pasture fed animals for instance. Most morons think it makes for better beef, but what it really is for is to provide better welfare for the animals.
As I said earlier, the day Lab Grown meat is available, which is feasible, I will never bother with any other type of meat again.
That makes perfect sense. I'm never going hunting again and I will join you in the fight to stop this practice!
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Does anyone really think Branch Warren needs any more protein? ???
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Bison Hunting. ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg)
add Passenger Pigeons...
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you've obviously never had bear
you can't possibly be serious.
I am serious and its a fact.
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Do regale us with your experience hunting albino game.
No one hunts em you stupid fuck.
There's an unwritten rule(might actually be law here), that you don't kill these things.
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No one hunts em you stupid fuck.
There's an unwritten rule(might actually be law here), that you don't kill these things.
God, you are retarded.
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There is no evidence of this.
No what you mean is there no evidence of this where your from. It's as obvious as this.
Who do you think appreciates cars more, the kid who crossing the costco parking lot on saturday with his dad, or the one that spends half the day with his dad in a garage fixing his hot rod..
The intimate interaction with nature and the intensity of the experience is what creates the respect. When your cold in the woods for hours without food, with nothing but squirls to keep you company, you grow a respect for large game.
There are more hunters around me than probably anywhere in the US. Right now as I type this, I hear gunfire and it won`t stop until around 9-10 PM. They all use big trucks and drive on the land to get to their spots so I fail to see how that is doing any good to the terrain. Just last week we had two band together that were lost and attack a deer outside my window and try to bring it down because they were hungry.
Meh this depends on where you live.
Where I grew up everyone hunts. Yet you never hear gunshots if you did, that means the moose can hear em and so no one is catching anything.
It's not easy it takes days not hours, and you only get one kill per season.
Granted if it's super market style hunting I could understand.
But when you actually have to track your target, and spend days it's totally different.
They are just schmucks with guns in the woods.
Again we have american tourist come up here on hunting expeditions all the time, no one really cares what they're like, they bring a whole lot of money into our economy.
Regardless my dad and everyone he knows spends a majority of their time in the woods. It's just a lifestyle they live. To think they don't understand or connect with nature is absurd.
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I'm assuming your a female? Our ancestors used barbaric methods to kill. They used deadfalls and snares that are illegal today. They had to stick dozens of animals to take it down. Indians often shot a deer and tracked the blood trail for days trying to shoot it again.
The kid used a crossbow not a high powered rifle. The manly thing is being able to get out in the wild, deal with the elements, and get your own food. The beef you eat was killed with a high powered rifle at point blank range in the head. But it comes in a plastic container for you so your ignorant ass doesn't have to think about it.
Damn that was brutal lol
SF1900 should have quit while ahead , poor fella watched to many Disney films as a kid
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Damn that was brutal lol
SF1900 should have quit while ahead , poor fella watched to many Disney films as a kid
Actually, it wasn't brutat at all.
hate to break it to you, but that crossbow he used is probably "highpowered" compared to what was used 3000 years ago, numbnuts. ::) ::) And if you actually thinking that hunting today is the epitome of manliness, then youre a bigger idiot than he is. :D :D Then again, thats not too far of a stretch, considering your 3000 page thread on who was better, ronnie or dorian. ;) ;)
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Actually, it wasn't brutat at all.
hate to break it to you, but that crossbow he used is probably "highpowered" compared to what was used 3000 years ago, numbnuts. ::) ::) And if you actually thinking that hunting today is the epitome of manliness, then youre a bigger idiot than he is. :D :D Then again, thats not too far of a stretch, considering your 3000 page thread on who was better, ronnie or dorian. ;) ;)
Awwwww someone is a little sensitive ;)
You're getting bitch-slapped left-and-right in this thread and your responses are proof you know it too lol I'm still laughing at ' high powered ' ;D
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this thread reminds me of that movie POWDER, when the guy shoots the deer and powder(gifted kid with unusuall powers) grabs the deer and the guys arm and the guy feels the suffering of the deer that he shot and passes out and vows never to hunt again
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Damn that was brutal lol
SF1900 should have quit while ahead , poor fella watched to many Disney films as a kid
Too bad its not even true and is a stupid argument. Our "Ancestors" did a lot of things that would be pointless and stupid to do today. So because our "Ancestors" did something means we should do it now? ::)
Our Ancestors did not need vaccines or antibiotics, might as well live like that right?
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Too bad its not even true and is a stupid argument. Our "Ancestors" did a lot of things that would be pointless and stupid to do today. So because our "Ancestors" did something means we should do it now? ::)
Our Ancestors did not need vaccines or antibiotics, might as well live like that right?
Humans are animals , animals hunt other animals. It's innate , it's biology. I don't hunt , have no desire to hunt , but respect people who do.
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Humans are animals , animals hunt other animals. It's innate , it's biology. I don't hunt , have no desire to hunt , but respect people who do.
Stupid argument again. We have control over our genetics and instinct. Biology and instinct says you probably should have sex and rape females when you are aroused if possible. Biology says that you should probably accept disease and physical ailments and do nothing. We are not shackled to any of this.
What is there to respect, just curious? I don`t understand.
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Humans are animals , animals hunt other animals. It's innate , it's biology. I don't hunt , have no desire to hunt , but respect people who do.
i hear u but every other animal except humans have to hunt and look for food to survive,humans just pull into a super market n bingo,everything there we need.dont get me wrong if i had to hunt to feed my family i would but i guess i like animals to much to do it for sport
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Stupid argument again. We have control over our genetics and instinct. Biology and instinct says you probably should have sex and rape females when you are aroused if possible. Biology says that you should probably accept disease and physical ailments and do nothing. We are not shackled to any of this.
What is there to respect, just curious? I don`t understand.
I know you like to play Getbig's contrarian but I'm not going to dignify your nonsense. ;)
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I know you like to play Getbig's contrarian but I'm not going to dignify your nonsense. ;)
Thats because you are unable to do so. ;)
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Good for the kid, even harder with a bow.
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The issue is when people hunt for fun, not food.
And that's why it's mostly whites who become serial killers and ones that kill their whole entire family without blinking an eye :D ;D
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And that's why it's mostly whites who become serial killers and ones that kill their whole entire family without blinking an eye :D ;D
Nope. The white serial killer is a myth. There is a book about to come out about it.
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Nope. The white serial killer is a myth. There is a book about to come out about it.
Just like how blacks don't like watermelon, fried chicken, not tipping, and are mostly incarcerated....
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I know you like to play Getbig's contrarian but I'm not going to dignify your nonsense. ;)
awwwwww, getting bitch slapped by TA and hiding behind a guise of "I'm not going to dignify your nonsense." :-* :-*
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Stupid argument again. We have control over our genetics and instinct. Biology and instinct says you probably should have sex and rape females when you are aroused if possible. Biology says that you should probably accept disease and physical ailments and do nothing. We are not shackled to any of this.
What is there to respect, just curious? I don`t understand.
Exactly. There are tons of things that are innate. However, we are also equipped with a prefrontal cortex that helps us "override" such primitive and innate desires. The fact that we have an innate tendency to hunt other animals is not a solid debate.
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And that's why it's mostly whites who become serial killers and ones that kill their whole entire family without blinking an eye :D ;D
yea but the brothers make up for it when they do drive bys and kill half the block ;D,honestly i always thought serial killers where all white guys,my theory on that is there r prolly some black guys trying to b a serial killer but everytime they get to close to a girl the girl goes oh shit a big black guy n they run :D,where as guys like dahmer looked like a boy scout and the women felt safe and trusted him,fatal move
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Awwwww someone is a little sensitive ;)
You're getting bitch-slapped left-and-right in this thread and your responses are proof you know it too lol I'm still laughing at ' high powered ' ;D
Yeah, moron, look at his crossbow. It has a scope on it. I typed in "high powered crossbow" into google and these images came up. Looks like my statement still stands and youre wrong. :D His crossbow is not exactly like the one pictured below, but close enough.
MANTIS © Recurve Crossbow
The Mantis © hunting crossbow in its original recurve limb format fully equipped with Energy Wave Technology © and the Crossforce Limb System © of which has been specifically designed and engineered to be as aero dynamic and as strong as possible. Offering a a more traditional approach to modern high tech crossbow hunting. The bowspan at rest is only 26" wide and an amazing 13" when cocked. It is one extremely powerful and accurate hunting crossbow. This incredible no non-sense, high powered recurve hunting crossbow can effortlessly produce arrow/bolt speeds up to 400+ fps and you can shoot arrows/bolts from 300 grns to 1,000 grns offering the crossbow hunter so much more scope than any other very high powered crossbow. With the Mantis recurve you got that something extra when you need it most. Be the very best with the incredible Mantis recurve hunting crossbow.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/123uoeu.jpg)
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awwwwww, getting bitch slapped by TA and hiding behind a guise of "I'm not going to dignify your nonsense." :-* :-*
You think his bullshit saves you from the ass pounding you got? ;D
He's trolling and you're just simple :-\
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Yeah, moron, look at his crossbow. It has a scope on it. I typed in "high powered crossbow" into google and these images came up. Looks like my statement still stands and youre wrong. :D His crossbow is not exactly like the one pictured below, but close enough.
MANTIS © Recurve Crossbow
The Mantis © hunting crossbow in its original recurve limb format fully equipped with Energy Wave Technology © and the Crossforce Limb System © of which has been specifically designed and engineered to be as aero dynamic and as strong as possible. Offering a a more traditional approach to modern high tech crossbow hunting. The bowspan at rest is only 26" wide and an amazing 13" when cocked. It is one extremely powerful and accurate hunting crossbow. This incredible no non-sense, high powered recurve hunting crossbow can effortlessly produce arrow/bolt speeds up to 400+ fps and you can shoot arrows/bolts from 300 grns to 1,000 grns offering the crossbow hunter so much more scope than any other very high powered crossbow. With the Mantis recurve you got that something extra when you need it most. Be the very best with the incredible Mantis recurve hunting crossbow.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/123uoeu.jpg)
"High-powered" isn't an exact term of art. For reference, I use a "hi-powered" PWO and it don't do shit.
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Exactly. There are tons of things that are innate. However, we are also equipped with a prefrontal cortex that helps us "override" such primitive and innate desires. The fact that we have an innate tendency to hunt other animals is not a solid debate.
I said this yesterday: Human civilization may not have made it this far had we behaved or solely acted according to or on our genetic desires.
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You think his bullshit saves you from the ass pounding you got? ;D
He's trolling and you're just simple :-\
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You think his bullshit saves you from the ass pounding you got? ;D
He's trolling and you're just simple :-\
I agree, I am "simple" when it comes to hunting. Ive never gone hunting, nor have I ever really had an interest in acquiring knowledge about it.
TA is not trolling. His statement is 100% correct and you're wrong.
But you calling someone else simple is pretty ironic. Just saying :D :D
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I agree, I am "simple" when it comes to hunting. Ive never gone hunting, nor have I ever really had an interest in acquiring knowledge about it.
TA is not trolling. His statement is 100% correct and you're wrong.
But you calling someone else simple is pretty ironic. Just saying :D :D
You're simple for a host of reasons , not only because you're ignorant on hunting. You don't know how to argue for shit I would say you're trolling as well but you're not smart enough.
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Yeah, moron, look at his crossbow. It has a scope on it. I typed in "high powered crossbow" into google and these images came up. Looks like my statement still stands and youre wrong. :D His crossbow is not exactly like the one pictured below, but close enough.
LMAO in desperation mode now , posting pictures of poachers and equating it to hunting , posting pictures of a ' high powered bow ' and claiming it's ' close enough ' like I said you can't argue for shit. Keep trying while your ass heals ;D
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You're simple for a host of reasons , not only because you're ignorant on hunting. You don't know how to argue for shit I would say you're trolling as well but you're not smart enough.
(https://amerinfidel.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/pot-kettle.jpg)
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LMAO in desperation mode now , posting pictures of poachers and equating it to hunting , posting pictures of a ' high powered bow ' and claiming it's ' close enough ' like I said you can't argue for shit. Keep trying while your ass heals ;D
Its high powered compared to this: :-\ :-\
(http://www.crafts-gifts.com/paintings/indian-bow-arrow.jpg)
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Pot meet kettle. :D :D
Thanks for the private message meltdown lmao Kid don't take it to seriously it's only Getbig ;)
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Here are a few questions for recreational hunters. Why hunt if you don't have to? What about hunting is enjoyable? Is it the killing? Does modern tech make hunting less challenging? I'm asking these questions just to ask them so don't get mad at me.
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Thanks for the private message meltdown lmao Kid don't take it to seriously it's only Getbig ;)
Not a meltdown. I always like to be in good spirits with people on here.
The only person I dislike is shizzo. :D
i have no problem with hunting, but I do have a problem with the way it is portrayed and the way people like to say, "I am learning more about nature by hunting" is a crock of shit. I don't buy into the fact that this kid is learning anything significant about nature by killing a deer.
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Foraging was the main form of subsistence for our early ancestors by the way, not hunting. So the argument that "our Ancestors" did it is not only moronic, its Scientifically not true in terms of what the majority of their diet consisted of.
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Not a meltdown. I always like to be in good spirits with people on here.
The only person I dislike is shizzo. :D
i have no problem with hunting, but I do have a problem with the way it is portrayed and the way people like to say, "I am learning more about nature by hunting" is a crock of shit. I don't buy into the fact that this kid is learning anything significant about nature by killing a deer.
Fuck you too pal.
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A lot of delusional meat-eaters ITT that pay somebody else to kill animals for them.
At least the kid understands what he does.
Ive killed animals. Not endangered ones. If you don't see the difference between conservation and consumption you're a moron. Look at fish stocks. They are dwindling to the point cod are hard to find whereas you could stick a basket in the water off maine 200 years ago and get cod. Now fish fingers can't be labelled cod cos of overfishing.
I know this is different but would it be such a burden to kill a regular deer? Fuck knows there are enough of them. We need a cull here but bleeding hearts won't allow it. We have no natural predators like wolves so tuey are everywhere.
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Ive killed animals. Not endangered ones. If you don't see the difference between conservation and consumption you're a moron. Look at fish stocks. They are dwindling to the point cod are hard to find whereas you could stick a basket in the water off maine 200 years ago and get cod. Now fish fingers can't be labelled cod cos of overfishing.
I know this is different but would it be such a burden to kill a regular deer? Fuck knows there are enough of them. We need a cull here but bleeding hearts won't allow it. We have no natural predators like wolves so tuey are everywhere.
You should have seen how many there were before humans ruined everything.
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Ive killed animals. Not endangered ones. If you don't see the difference between conservation and consumption you're a moron. Look at fish stocks. They are dwindling to the point cod are hard to find whereas you could stick a basket in the water off maine 200 years ago and get cod. Now fish fingers can't be labelled cod cos of overfishing.
I know this is different but would it be such a burden to kill a regular deer? Fuck knows there are enough of them. We need a cull here but bleeding hearts won't allow it. We have no natural predators like wolves so tuey are everywhere.
Why not just introduce more Wolves? :D
Oh I know why, hunters will soon want to kill those too. :-\
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Who really gives a shit what color it is. People shoot and eat deer all the time. I'm sure this one taste the same as all the rest. Good for the kid.
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Why not just introduce more Wolves? :D
Oh I know why, hunters will soon want to kill those too. :-\
Last wolf here was killed in 1759 or something. Somehow they have a record of when and who but I doubt that one could have bred much anyway...
There is talk of reintroducing them in parts of europe but when politicians go to mumsnet for electioneering I see little chance of that getting through.... even though excess deer destroy land and kill drivers. There could be ten road fatalities caused by deer. Who cares. One person killed by a wolf and all hell would break loose.
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Who really gives a shit what color it is. People shoot and eat deer all the time. I'm sure this one taste the same as all the rest. Good for the kid.
It was white that's why it matters.
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You should have seen how many there were before humans ruined everything.
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It was white that's why it matters.
No it doesn't.
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I would take that as a hippy comment but does it not piss you off seeing there were sabre tooth tigers and mammoths before while humans lived? I know humans didn't kill these off (not mammoths anyway) but when you read there were rhinos the size of a 2 storey house doesn't it make you wish we had them? Or sloths that were 6m tall? We have no need for them like we don't need lions but if we just had what we needed earth would be a lot less interesting.
You think a zoo like jurassic park would make more money than your local zoo? If so, why?
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People should hunt to keep their skills up. Civilizations and conveniences come and go. It's best to be practice independence and self-sufficiency.
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It was white that's why it matters.
i agree with u about being a beautiful white deer,think about how what a nice scenery that would of been if u where walking with your family,i got a son and wife and im sure they woulda been amazed at seeing a albino deer compared to the regular brown deers they see tons of all the time.they shoulda let it go on its way and gave it a pass cause of its uniquness.just my opinion tho and i respect everyones even if they dont agree
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People should hunt to keep their skills up. Civilizations and conveniences come and go. It's best to be practice independence and self-sufficiency.
Thats stupid. You would be better off learning flora and fauna how to forage for food and agriculture and farming practices, animal husbandry instead. Hunting alone is not sustainable for an individual and certainly not for a society of civilization.
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Lots of Duck Dynasty retards in this thread.
Those are the type of people who like to hunt.
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Lots of Duck Dynasty retards in this thread.
Those are the type of people who like to hunt.
I like to hunt, and I can't stand Duck Dynasty. :-\
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I like to hunt, and I can't stand Duck Dynasty. :-\
Do you hunt for the thrill of the kill?
Most people hunt because they are bored, and want to shoot shit up, legally.
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I like to hunt, and I can't stand Duck Dynasty. :-\
if u r eating your kill i can understand a little more but i know this guy that kills deers and he lets them spoil in his yard after he takes the antlers off,thats not right man
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Who really gives a shit what color it is. People shoot and eat deer all the time. I'm sure this one taste the same as all the rest. Good for the kid.
Exactly. I've killed deer, elk, turkey, pig, javelina, oryx.... all meat on the table. Quite Tasty too. Look up the protein profile on elk or bison, extremely high quality.
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First of all I don't give a shit if the deer is white , black ,brown ,blond , blue eyes ...........etc , I have no problem with people hunting .
I know 100's of hunters , 99% of them don't hunt for the meat ,they hunt for pleasure ,the thrill of killing ,usually is a family tradition.
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Exactly. I've killed deer, elk, turkey, pig, javelina, oryx.... all meat on the table. Quite Tasty too. Look up the protein profile on elk or bison, extremely high quality.
You should try eating ants and crickets. Fun to hunt and better protein.
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if u r eating your kill i can understand a little more but i know this guy that kills deers and he lets them spoil in his yard after he takes the antlers off,thats not right man
Depending on the state, this practice is highly illegal.
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Do you hunt for the thrill of the kill?
Most people hunt because they are bored, and want to shoot shit up, legally.
Both. I harvest all kills. Bird hunting is a lot of fun. Deer and hog hunting is just for meat.
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The funny thing about people who hunt is that they are shit at cooking.
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The funny thing about people who hunt is that they are shit at cooking.
The majority of the population are shitty cooks regardless of whether they hunt or not. :-\
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The funny thing about people who hunt is that they are shit at cooking.
Hunters would rather kill a 20 point, 10 years old buck that taste like absolute shit (uneatable) , than a tasty 2 years old doe
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Hunters would rather kill a 20 point, 10 years old buck that taste like absolute shit (uneatable) , than a tasty 2 years old doe
We are at a point in society where its totally unnecessary.
At least Twaddle admits he does it for fun I guess. :-\
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We are at a point in society where its totally unnecessary.
At least Twaddle admits he does it for fun I guess. :-\
I do it for fun, pleasure, and cheap, tasty meat. :D
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Hunters would rather kill a 20 point, 10 years old buck that taste like absolute shit (uneatable) , than a tasty 2 years old doe
So you live in Brazil? This sounds like an American talking.
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Hunter i was working with years ago told me a story of one hunter who shot a deer and went to skin it. But the deer was still alive and kicked out. Caught the guy in the belly and disemboweled him, apparently the hoves are as sharp as razors. Guy died. What goes around comes around I guess.
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People should hunt to keep their skills up. Civilizations and conveniences come and go. It's best to be practice independence and self-sufficiency.
Is that what's going on here? I say they are overcompensating for their small dicks.
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Is that what's going on here? I say they are overcompensating for their small dicks.
Must be right
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Is that what's going on here? I say they are overcompensating for their small dicks.
This to me looks like a business. Taking skins and selling for profit. It has nothing to do with my comment that a man should know how to hunt and be self sufficient. It's one of many skills a man should have like farming, building, problem solving, cooking, etc.
Man should be good at multiple tasks...specialization is for insects.
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Lots of Duck Dynasty retards in this thread.
Those are the type of people who like to hunt.
Haven't the Duck Dynasty guys been seen as phonies after one of their little girls did Dancing with the Stars with homoerotic dancers?
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This to me looks like a business. Taking skins and selling for profit. It has nothing to do with my comment that a man should know how to hunt and be self sufficient. It's one of many skills a man should have like farming, building, problem solving, cooking, etc.
Man should be good at multiple tasks...specialization is for insects.
Nonsense. Back in colonial India wealthy Brits would go on hunting parties with elephants and the locals. It was not unusual for them to kill upwards of a hundred tigers. This practice is one of the main reasons that tigers are endangered. I have no problem with killing for food. Hunting for trophies is a bitch move.
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Nonsense. Back in colonial India wealthy Brits would go on hunting parties with elephants and the locals. It was not unusual for them to kill upwards of a hundred tigers. This practice is one of the main reasons that tigers are endangered. I have no problem with killing for food. Hunting for trophies is a bitch move.
Hunting for trophies is a right of passage in every culture in history. The trophy signifies an act of courage and is displayed to show the prowess of the new male joining the adult part of that local society. Does it get corrupted? Of course...as your picture of the tigers clearly communicates. Welcome to human nature...it does fucked up things ::)
But those incidents don't overrule the general principle behind that specific right of passage or the important life lessons that can be learned from those types of trials.
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Im more interested to hear if theres any logical arguments for why people SHOULDN'T be allowed to hunt.
I mean, the rules for hunting in the US cover most peoples emotional arguments.... no hunting endangered species, game limits to prevent the animals from being overhunted, sporting rules such as only 3 shells in a shotgun to prevent people from just blasting over and over.
What right does anyone feel they have to tell another US citizen they shouldnt be allowed to hunt? I mean, were supposed to be the country that allows everyone their opinion and liberty/pursuit of happiness as long as it doesnt physically damage someone elses life/liberty/happiness....
I dont even hunt anymore, but i cannot see a logical argument of why citizens shouldnt be allowed to hunt. Everything ive seen is 'youre killing cute cuddly animals, its not fair, they cant fight back!!!", or showing pictors of horrendous treatment at the hands of poachers, which is not hunting.
Im open to any logicsl argument, im interested if people just dont like the idea, or if they truly think hunting shouldnt be allowed, and if so, what there hustification is for taking such a benign passtime away.... also, if so, are they going to ban fishing? If not, why?
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Morgan Freeman is finally showing signs of age.
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Im more interested to hear if theres any logical arguments for why people SHOULDN'T be allowed to hunt.
I mean, the rules for hunting in the US cover most peoples emotional arguments.... no hunting endangered species, game limits to prevent the animals from being overhunted, sporting rules such as only 3 shells in a shotgun to prevent people from just blasting over and over.
What right does anyone feel they have to tell another US citizen they shouldnt be allowed to hunt? I mean, were supposed to be the country that allows everyone their opinion and liberty/pursuit of happiness as long as it doesnt physically damage someone elses life/liberty/happiness....
I dont even hunt anymore, but i cannot see a logical argument of why citizens shouldnt be allowed to hunt. Everything ive seen is 'youre killing cute cuddly animals, its not fair, they cant fight back!!!", or showing pictors of horrendous treatment at the hands of poachers, which is not hunting.
Im open to any logicsl argument, im interested if people just dont like the idea, or if they truly think hunting shouldnt be allowed, and if so, what there hustification is for taking such a benign passtime away.... also, if so, are they going to ban fishing? If not, why?
I don`t think it should be banned or anything like that. I just don`t think it makes any logical sense to hunt at all. Its not cost effective, its unnecessary and its a waste of more animal life. No point in killing more animals than already killed for meat at the grocery store or which aren`t bred for consumption purposes.
Also, I brought up the dog issue which is a very real one. A lot of times hunting dogs are treated very poorly and are treated as expendable trash. Sometimes even, at the end of hunting season, they will just let them go in the woods if they don`t feel like taking care of them (which usually consists of being locked in a tiny pen, living in their own feces) anymore or releasing them if they are injured. Its a bad situation and could be cleaned up. I know some hunters do treat their dogs as they should be treated and are model pets, etc, but I think registering dogs as hunting dogs with Game and Wildlife and having them at least do some animal welfare checks would be a good decision.
What I make fun of most though is just people`s justification for hunting. The only one that makes sense is actually the most barbaric one in my opinion- "its fun", but at least its honest. The other reason I could see is if someone wanted to or liked the taste of certain animals, but the funny thing is, most suck at cooking anyways, so why waste the time? Maybe they like the animals for house decor, which is understandable-but its cheaper to buy animals that were stuffed decades ago then it is to have a new one stuffed and mounted. So that reason is not a very good one.
The other reasons are just absurd and are not really logical in 1st world countries anymore.
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Hunting for trophies is a right of passage in every culture in history. The trophy signifies an act of courage and is displayed to show the prowess of the new male joining the adult part of that local society. Does it get corrupted? Of course...as your picture of the tigers clearly communicates. Welcome to human nature...it does fucked up things ::)
But those incidents don't overrule the general principle behind that specific right of passage or the important life lessons that can be learned from those types of trials.
Your argument might have some historical validity, certainly it was a right of passage among a lot of primitive tribes. It meant something to send a boy out into the forest with just a spear to come back with a lion or food for the family. After that he was no longer a boy but a man. But in today's world someone shooting a high powered rifle from a back of a pickup truck or the safety of 100 yards, just doesn't qualify as a right of passage. But I guess in today's world if you own someone on the internet I guess that makes you a man.
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Your argument might have some historical validity, certainly it was a right of passage among a lot of primitive tribes. It meant something to send a boy out into the forest with just a spear to come back with a lion or food for the family. After that he was no longer a boy but a man. But in today's world someone shooting a high powered rifle from a back of a pickup truck or the safety of 100 yards, just doesn't qualify as a right of passage. But I guess in today's world if you own someone on the internet I guess that makes you a man.
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The kid's a freak who will most likely be a serial killer or rapist. He's probably having sex with the dead animal right now.