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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Devon97 on February 18, 2007, 06:28:40 AM
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
Because they want to, what are you looking for a psychological profile?
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Because it's a free country. The govt has no business telling people if they may or may not use steroids in the first place.
Second, some guys just wanna look good, or wanna feel stronger and enhance their performance at the gym. Nothing wrong with that. Or maybe the dude has some psychological complex. Or maybe the dude is taking steroids to offset nature's cruelty and prevent some of the downsides of dwindling natural test levels...
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when im on the gear i get more pussy.
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that's like asking Why do guys who dont compete bodybuild? ::)
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Why do people that arent pornstars have sex? ???
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OK but none of you guys have given me a concrete reason.
Why have the health risk and risk the legal issues if you have nothing to gain from it? I mean its not like you really gain anything from competing in a bbing show....but you get the picture
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that's like asking Why do guys who dont compete bodybuild? ::)
Naw bro not really, BBing isnt illegal and doesnt carry health risks.
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Naw bro not really, BBing isnt illegal and doesnt carry health risks.
I once dropped a weight on my foot.
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So the real question is: why are steroids illegal? Why is Big Brother sticking his nose into my business?
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"Everybody want to be a bodybuilder, but no one wanna lift no heavy ass weight"
-Ronnie Coleman 8x Mr. Olympia
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Same reason people who have never competed feel compelled to come to a bodybuilding discussion board and rip on those who do.
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So the real question is: why are steroids illegal? Why is Big Brother sticking his nose into my business?
Thats an entire diff story my friend, and I honestly couldnt tell you. But lets stick to the original topic....
Can you give me a tangible reason?
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Thats an entire diff story my friend, and I honestly couldnt tell you. But lets stick to the original topic....
Can you give me a tangible reason?
whats your question again? why people lift weights? is that the question? or why they eat a lot of chicken breasts, considering the dangers of doing so?
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Same reason people who have never competed feel compelled to come to a bodybuilding discussion board and rip on those who do.
Yeah but you do suck.
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Same reason people who have never competed feel compelled to come to a bodybuilding discussion board and rip on those who do.
Once again bro there are no legal issues or negative health risks associated with a message board.
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A far better question would be why not EVERYBODY take steroids :D
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Yeah but you do suck.
And you swallow, what's your point? Oh right you don't have one. Pnwed.
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whats your question again? why people lift weights? is that the question? or why they eat a lot of chicken breasts, considering the dangers of doing so?
Bluto, how many of your 185lb models you worship would you guess took a little gear to harden up for a shoot?
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And you swallow, what's your point? Oh right you don't have one. Pnwed.
Spelling pwned "pnwed" = pwned :D
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Nice comeback artard.
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Bluto, how many of your 185lb models you worship would you guess took a little gear to harden up for a shoot?
no idea, but if anything they can take or use would greatly enhance their chances of landing a contract with calvin klein or whatever, they would be stupid NOT to take/use it.
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insecurity
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OK but none of you guys have given me a concrete reason.
Why have the health risk and risk the legal issues if you have nothing to gain from it? I mean its not like you really gain anything from competing in a bbing show....but you get the picture
My boy is juiced to the gills and has no interest in competing, and has a great physique. I've asked him the same question, why juice and not compete? His reply, "I like the way I feel, I like being strong". Good enough for me.
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why do girls get beast enlargement? because they feel the need to have every guy look at their chest.
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why do girls get beast enlargement? because they feel the need to have every guy look at their chest.
actually there's a number of reasons why girls get breast (not beast) enlargement
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Athletic purposes, and to look better and pick up more chicks. Both better reasons than taking gear in order to win a BB contest and a plastic trophy and next to no money.
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Same reason people who have never competed feel compelled to come to a bodybuilding discussion board and rip on those who do.
Shut up you little bitch
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OK but none of you guys have given me a concrete reason.
Why have the health risk and risk the legal issues if you have nothing to gain from it
Yeah winning a plastic trophy is a fucking good reason to take juice.
you are a fucking idiot
hope this help
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to be as big and strong as possible...... so i can swat you down, and fuck your girl with ease :D
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god what a stupid question ::)
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god what a stupid question ::)
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bump for the truth
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Nice comeback artard.
Hahahah you are a vagina. I would be horrendously embarrased to post after that whole Goodrum/ Adonis/ Fight ordeal
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Yeah winning a plastic trophy is a fucking good reason to take juice.
you are a fucking idiot
hope this help
Son you couldnt survive 1 single year as a natty in the game of life.
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Athletic purposes, and to look better and pick up more chicks. Both better reasons than taking gear in order to win a BB contest and a plastic trophy and next to no money.
What athletic purposes? With all the Heated roid issues in the media about pro sports the risk is VERY great of getting caught... not worth the risk to lose a potential big pay day.
If you need roids to look good chances are you dont look very good to begin with and they wont help much.
If you cant pick up chicks already... roids really wont help much ... sorry guys
Besides once you stop cycle you pretty much lose everything after enough time passes.
Still looking for 1 solid reason.
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Because I wanna compete, and I don't wanna do natural shows with a bunch of guys who look like pigeon poop and an audience of 5 people.
Is that reason enough?
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what makes juice any worse than alcohol, cigarrettes, or weed?
these days everybody uses atleast one of those
atleast you have something to gain while using juice
why is that so hard to understand ???
and no the risk of getting caught with juice isn't great in sports, do you really think shawne merriman was the only guy juicing? ::)
only the idiots get caught
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Because I wanna compete, and I don't wanna do natural shows with a bunch of guys who look like pigeon poop and an audience of 5 people.
Is that reason enough?
Well if you DO COMPETE or are in PREP for a show this thread is not for you my friend... it is for people who do NOT compete.
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what makes juice any worse than alcohol, cigarrettes, or weed?
these days everybody uses atleast one of those
atleast you have something to gain while using juice
why is that so hard to understand ???
and no the risk of getting caught with juice isn't great in sports, do you really think shawne merriman was the only guy juicing? ::)
only the idiots get caught
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Ok I will repeat the reasons again,
Cigs and alcohol are not felony to possess.
If you get caught in Pro sports ( doesnt really matter since no one on this board plays on a professional sports team) You will lose endorsements and potentially get banned from the league.
You WILL lose almost every single bit of gain you made while on cycle with-in a year, even with proper PCT.
Still looking for a solid , educated reason to cycle if you dont compete.. Can anyone give me one?
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Ok I will repeat the reasons again,
Cigs and alcohol are not felony to possess.
If you get caught in Pro sports ( doesnt really matter since no one on this board plays on a professional sports team) You will lose endorsements and potentially get banned from the league.
You WILL lose almost every single bit of gain you made while on cycle with-in a year, even with proper PCT.
Still looking for a solid , educated reason to cycle if you dont compete.. Can anyone give me one?
Total bull shit!
Also what are the health risks you associate with gear??? Just what you heard from the message boards, or did you hear it on the local news???
Educate yourself and you will find that the risks are very minimal to none!
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What do u mean the risks are small? Don't you know steroids will shrink your dick?!!!!!!
I went to gnc the other day and bought some musseltek steroids and took them for three days now my penis is barely 4 inches long it shrunk so fast from teh steroids!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok I will repeat the reasons again,
Cigs and alcohol are not felony to possess.
If you get caught in Pro sports ( doesnt really matter since no one on this board plays on a professional sports team) You will lose endorsements and potentially get banned from the league.
You WILL lose almost every single bit of gain you made while on cycle with-in a year, even with proper PCT.
Still looking for a solid , educated reason to cycle if you dont compete.. Can anyone give me one?
who cares that they are illegal?
it is also illegal to drive drunk yet these idiots do it every friday and saturday night and WEED IS ILLEGAL
yeah merriman really suffered he went to the pro bowl and almost won defensive player of the year the league really cared ::)
again ONLY THE IDIOTS GET CAUGHT
the high these idiots get from drugs or alcohol doesn't last as long as the results from juice
yeah it's probably better to not use them but you can't tell me a person that regularly uses alcohol, cigs, or any rec drug is more respectable than a person that uses juice
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What do u mean the risks are small? Don't you know steroids will shrink your dick?!!!!!!
I went to gnc the other day and bought some musseltek steroids and took them for three days now my penis is barely 4 inches long it shrunk so fast from teh steroids!!!!!!!!!!!
I worked all night and I dont need this kind of comedy! LMAO fuggin funny...
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Total bull shit!
Also what are the health risks you associate with gear??? Just what you heard from the message boards, or did you hear it on the local news???
Educate yourself and you will find that the risks are very minimal to none!
You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Once your normal hormone levels return to normal they will not be able to support the NEW MUSCLE which was gained by exoggonous (sp?) administration of hormones.
C'mon hoss, Im not going to start a debate on all the health risks of gear weather great or small.
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I worked all night and I dont need this kind of comedy! LMAO fuggin funny...
Based on the fact you worked all night you either worked as a bouncer or work in a foundry, therefore you have little if any education and knowledge... then factor in your comments and avatar and it confirms that belief .
Please dont speak again! :-X
Hope this helps.
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Based on the fact you worked all night you either worked as a bouncer or work in a foundry, therefore you have little if any education and knowledge... then factor in your comments and avatar and it confirms that belief .
Please dont speak again! :-X
Hope this helps.
Why do people who arent professional footballers play football? Because they want to and they enjoy it.
Thankyou, next question please.
Btw ::)
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only the idiots get caught
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Or guys who's wife dime them out like mine!!! >:(
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I meant pro athletes like shawne merriman
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Athletic purposes, and to look better and pick up more chicks. Both better reasons than taking gear in order to win a BB contest and a plastic trophy and next to no money.
;D
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Still looking for a solid , educated reason to cycle if you dont compete.. Can anyone give me one?
looks like nobody can come up with a good reason.
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
Sounds liek you hit a lot of nerves....
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Why do people who arent professional footballers play football? Because they want to and they enjoy it.
Thankyou, next question please.
Btw ::)
For recreation and the competitive spirit. Once again my autistic friend, backyard Football is not a fellony and does not give you gyno and premature baldness.
Still no reasons... anyone?
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Sounds liek you hit a lot of nerves....
Of course! I was ON-POINT with everything...
NOONE has YET to give me a solid reason why a NON competitor should take AAS?
One clown said he gets more chicks when he is on cycle lol. Poor guy, chances are if you cant get chicks when u are clean getting on a Dball cycle wont really help LOL Sorry
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you are an imbecile, competing shouldn't make steroid use a good thing.
if the guy competes or not, it changes nothing
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Ok here's the reasons so Listen up.
We all are going to die at some point.... can't deny that.
Every freaking thing you do can possibly dictate your health... if your telling someone not to take aas for the health risks, you might as well tell people not to drink alcohol, or smoke cigarettes , or eat at mcdonalds, or eat ice cream. All that shit damages your body and causes you to die earlier, and the fact remains there is not 1 death strictly associated with the use of AAS, in fact there has been no health risks in healthy adult males using proper dosages except for acne and some loss of hair and breast tenderness.
AAS don't kill, fast food, and cigarettes, and alcohol, all things pushed on the people of society as being great is what is killing people.
If you want to go around saving lives then go to a cigarrette board and yell at those people because a million of smokers will die in the next year and 0 AAS users will.
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a better question would be
why do some guys who compete don't use AAS...That is stupid to me...Yet their Supplement bill is $200 a month.... :-\
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Of course! I was ON-POINT with everything...
NOONE has YET to give me a solid reason why a NON competitor should take AAS?
One clown said he gets more chicks when he is on cycle lol. Poor guy, chances are if you cant get chicks when u are clean getting on a Dball cycle wont really help LOL Sorry
The only good reasons to juice are:
(1) if you have a wasting-type disease and have a legitimate medical need for them(2) you're a high level competitive athlete who stands to financially gain a lot by taking steroids (enough to offset the risks associated with them)
Getting on a stage and posing for a cheap trophy is not a good reason to juice, case closed. I know some guys who rationalize juicing by competing, claiming that they need to do it.
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a better question would be
why do some guys who compete don't use AAS...That is stupid to me...Yet their Supplement bill is $200 a month.... :-\
Good point actually!
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The only good reasons to juice are:
(1) if you have a wasting-type disease and have a legitimate medical need for them(2) you're a high level competitive athlete who stands to financially gain a lot by taking steroids (enough to offset the risks associated with them)
Getting on a stage and posing for a cheap trophy is not a good reason to juice, case closed. I know some guys who rationalize juicing by competing, claiming that they need to do it.
YES!!! FInally Good reasons! ;D
We have a winner!
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YES!!! FInally Good reasons! ;D
We have a winner!
So what's my prize?
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Based on the fact you worked all night you either worked as a bouncer or work in a foundry, therefore you have little if any education and knowledge... then factor in your comments and avatar and it confirms that belief .
Please dont speak again! :-X
Hope this helps.
Actually I'm a programmer, and I probably make more in one month then you make all year! I work at night because I choose to.
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YES!!! FInally Good reasons! ;D
We have a winner!
TA gimmick account
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You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Once your normal hormone levels return to normal they will not be able to support the NEW MUSCLE which was gained by exoggonous (sp?) administration of hormones.
C'mon hoss, Im not going to start a debate on all the health risks of gear weather great or small.
Not quite set-in-stone truth. Overstretched fascia do not return to their former size. Also, it is theorized that some degree of permanent increase in androgen receptor sites can occur. Will you lose a substantial amount after stopping? Yes, given years. Will you end up as low as if you'd never used them? The jury is still out on that one.
As for the original question: people should be able to use steroids simply because they want to. Unless you are a communist, you should recognize that as being the single most important reason there is.
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i compete so i hide behind the 'i take gear to compete' excuse,, but realy it all boils down to enjoying your self in the gym and getting more out of your training.. theres nothing better than hitting the gym, injury free, full of food and jacked up... i find it much more enjoyable than goin clubbing and gettin pissed/gettin high,,, everyone needs a vice
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Ok here's the reasons so Listen up.
We all are going to die at some point.... can't deny that.
Every freaking thing you do can possibly dictate your health... if your telling someone not to take aas for the health risks, you might as well tell people not to drink alcohol, or smoke cigarettes , or eat at mcdonalds, or eat ice cream. All that shit damages your body and causes you to die earlier, and the fact remains there is not 1 death strictly associated with the use of AAS, in fact there has been no health risks in healthy adult males using proper dosages except for acne and some loss of hair and breast tenderness.
AAS don't kill, fast food, and cigarettes, and alcohol, all things pushed on the people of society as being great is what is killing people.
If you want to go around saving lives then go to a cigarrette board and yell at those people because a million of smokers will die in the next year and 0 AAS users will.
Hahahaha...here is 'the general publics' SWORD about how deadly steroids are...ready?
"...what about Lyle Alzado? It killed him! "
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So what's my prize?
a 12'' mulatto dildo.
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What do u mean the risks are small? Don't you know steroids will shrink your dick?!!!!!!
That's the funniest comment about bodybuilding in general. Taking gear will shrink your balls, but that's about it. And bodybuilding in general increases a sex drive. The small dick comment was created to knock someone who has a great physique, when the person saying it probably looks like shit. These guys are priceless.
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Ok I will repeat the reasons again,
Cigs and alcohol are not felony to possess.
If you get caught in Pro sports ( doesnt really matter since no one on this board plays on a professional sports team) You will lose endorsements and potentially get banned from the league.
You WILL lose almost every single bit of gain you made while on cycle with-in a year, even with proper PCT.
Still looking for a solid , educated reason to cycle if you dont compete.. Can anyone give me one?
lol, if you're looking to be a pro athelete, unless you're exceptionally genetically gifted you will need roids to be able to compete at the highest level.
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Actually I'm a programmer, and I probably make more in one month then you make all year! I work at night because I choose to.
I thought I told u not to speak again! Tell that to the guy who sweeps the floor at the foundry( you choose to) lift brake drums all night at.
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lol, if you're looking to be a pro athelete, unless you're exceptionally genetically gifted you will need roids to be able to compete at the highest level.
DO you think Michael Jordan took gear? What about Steve Nash? What about Tiger Woods? What about Vince Young?
If you dont have the God Given Athletic Ability to play Professional sports then gear wont do much for you hoss.
If you just arent fast enough or cant jump high enough or have the instincts or hand/eye coordination& skill level to play a chosen sport then taking some D-ball or winny wont get u there big hoss.
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i compete so i hide behind the 'i take gear to compete' excuse,, but realy it all boils down to enjoying your self in the gym and getting more out of your training.. theres nothing better than hitting the gym, injury free, full of food and jacked up... i find it much more enjoyable than goin clubbing and gettin pissed/gettin high,,, everyone needs a vice
Ok fair answer, but here is my reply to the " getting more out of your training"
If you need gear to "get more out of your training" and " injury free" and " jacked up" then I would argue that you have yet to maximize your natural training potential and unless you are into your late 40's and have exhausted many different strength training programs and followed many diff nutritional programs then you have yet to hit yoru natural "Celing".
BTW... I would feel sick as shit if I hit the gym " Full of food" :-X
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DO you think Michael Jordan took gear? What about Steve Nash? What about Tiger Woods? What about Vince Young?
If you dont have the God Given Athletic Ability to play Professional sports then gear wont do much for you hoss.
If you just arent fast enough or cant jump high enough or have the instincts or hand/eye coordination& skill level to play a chosen sport then taking some D-ball or winny wont get u there big hoss.
LOL, how do you know they didn't? Unless you're watching them 24/7 you don't know! Regardless of how much god-given ability you have to jump, run, whatever, fact is you'll be better on gear. Sure some d-bol won't make me an NBA pro at 5'8" and a half inch vertical, but for some guy who's just on the edge of making it to the pros, a little gear could be what he needs. How do you know they don't juice, especially offseason? There's no testing then.
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LOL, how do you know they didn't? Unless you're watching them 24/7 you don't know! Regardless of how much god-given ability you have to jump, run, whatever, fact is you'll be better on gear. Sure some d-bol won't make me an NBA pro at 5'8" and a half inch vertical, but for some guy who's just on the edge of making it to the pros, a little gear could be what he needs. How do you know they don't juice, especially offseason? There's no testing then.
How do you know what gear will do for a professional BBall player?
Have you coached a Professional athlete before? Have you yourself ever played professional basketball or any sport for that matter? How do you know if " a little gear could be what he needs"? You have ZERO , NONE, NADA experience coaching training or spending time around professional athletes, therefore you have NO IDEA what they do or dont do or take or dont take.
I have trained and coached several current NFL & NBA players and at the time I trained them NONE of them took gear and gear would have NOT been " what he needs" to put them over the edge.
Yo dawg! Spike Lee would give Spreewell some Anavar to improve his 3-point shot ... LOL
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Ok media and society make out like the aas are the worst thing ever created yet look at the health problems with smoking or drinking dont even satrt with obesity how many people die a year from that yet nobody is going to make that a crime but aas use or possesion is.I know people say how they not alcoholic etc etc well
with aas is the same there is a fine line between use and abuse.
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It helps them achieve their physique goals faster and usually gives them a better self esteem, although I don't think one should base their self worth on how they look.
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I take them because it pisses bitches like you off.
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It helps them achieve their physique goals faster and usually gives them a better self esteem, although I don't think one should base their self worth on how they look.
I agree!! Isnt it sad though that some people base their self value on how much they bench or how much they weigh?
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I agree!! Isnt it sad though that some people base their self value on how much they bench or how much they weigh?
If you dont care at all about working out why are you on this site?
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How do you know what gear will do for a professional BBall player?
Have you coached a Professional athlete before? Have you yourself ever played professional basketball or any sport for that matter? How do you know if " a little gear could be what he needs"? You have ZERO , NONE, NADA experience coaching training or spending time around professional athletes, therefore you have NO IDEA what they do or dont do or take or dont take.
I have trained and coached several current NFL & NBA players and at the time I trained them NONE of them took gear and gear would have NOT been " what he needs" to put them over the edge.
Yo dawg! Spike Lee would give Spreewell some Anavar to improve his 3-point shot ... LOL
Well steroids are obviously not going to help anyone from a technical standpoint, but last time I checked, in BBall you need to jump high, and make quick bursts across the court. Not to mention they could help make one more aggressive, which is important in that sport.
If you don't think any NFL players are on steroids, you are sadly mistaken. Do you think that those linebackers who are running around at 6 foot 240+ lbs with shredded abs are all natural? I'll admit there are a few genetic freaks out there, but there's no way all of them are natural. Patrick Arnold, the scientist who created steroids used in the BALCO scandal, said himself in Sports Illustrated that many of the players in the NFL do a cycle of steroids in the offseason, when testing is lax, and then use GH during the season to maintain their gains. Lastly, in a sport as active as football, it is very hard to put on mass while you are burning so many calories running around 3+ hours 5 or more days a week. You do realize that bodybuilders need to eat and sleep much more than the average person just to put on muscle, yet those NFL players look as good as any natural bodybuilder, if not better, all the while spending so much time practicing football. Sounds fishy to me...
Also, why the hell would Spike Lee be providing a pro athlete with steroids???!!! Last time I checked he was a f*cking movie director!
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
do me a favour my friend and dont ruin 50% of the market,,
thank you in advance ;)
seriously now,,and ill say it once,,
lifters go on hormones to break a platue,,naturally it would take them 2 years or never while on hormones it would take them couple months,,some cant get over 175lb naturally while in phenominal condition,,,some can,,,it has a lot to do with what god gave you,,
while on hormones you can allow yourself alot more mistakes then you think,,,you can do a lot of things that naturally would burn you out and slow your gains to a point of zero gains what so ever,,
it is a very bad mistake to think that gains out of hormones stop at 20lb,,it all depends on how serious you are when it comes to bodybuilding and how much you live it,,
gains from hormones can be as high as 100lb of pure lean muscle mass,,ofcourse it takes years,,
the average joe that sits at 180lb with 16-18% bodyfat after going on hormones will increase his size up to 220-230lb with 16-18% bodyfat if done correctly and then will be able to go back to that 180lb he used to have before but this time at 6% bodyfat,, and girls like it and most of the time see it as natural blessed genetics,,those people do it for looks,,same as plastic surgeries etc etc
and there is A HUGE DIFF between 165lb 6% and 180lb 6% when the lifters are same height,,,HUGE DIFF
even 5lb!! of lean muscle mass is a huge huge huge diff on a ripped physiqe
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I agree!! Isnt it sad though that some people base their self value on how much they bench or how much they weigh?
How you look does show alot about who you are, but it shouldn't be a end all to yourself. At least that is what I think.
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
My God, you mean we actually have people with intelligence, reason, logic, and common sense, posting on Getbig!???
Mods, we can't have that...ban this poster immediately!!!
Why??!!! Because THESE STRICTLY RECREATIONAL BBers are INSECURE, WANT "INSTANT GRATIFICATION", are LAZY, and are NOT PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK!!!
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My God, you mean we actually have people with intelligence, reason, logic, and common sense, posting on Getbig!???
Mods, we can't have that...ban this poster immediately!!!
Why??!!! Because THESE STRICTLY RECREATIONAL BBers are INSECURE, WANT "INSTANT GRATIFICATION", are LAZY, and are NOT PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK!!!
JEEEEEEESUS.....is there ever a post where you don't meltdown?
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Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
Because they are DUMB FUCKS
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JEEEEEEESUS.....is there ever a post where you don't meltdown?
Oh, I get it now...merely taking an unpopular stand on some subject is called a "meltdown" on Getbig?!
Just like just being a fan of FBB makes you a "schmoe"!
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Oh, I get it now...merely taking an unpopular stand on some subject is called a "meltdown" on Getbig?!
Just like just being a fan of FBB makes you a "schmoe"!
Actually, I agree with you on the "drugs" issue.......
But to each his own, you know?
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So according to your logic Richard, the best reason to cheat is to win?
Thanks for the clarity.
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my question is, why compete? brutal faggotry for plastic prize.
not why take drugs.
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hey devon why do you drink on friday and saturday nights?
do you need that liquid confidence to talk to that pretty girl at the club ;)
E
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So according to your logic Richard, the best reason to cheat is to win?
Thanks for the clarity.
Count, I guess every since at least 776 BC, the approximate start of the ancient Greek Olympic games, ATHLETES have been trying to use every means possible to gain an edge over their competitors...fair of unfair!! No, its not "morally/ethically right" to "cheat to win"...but, at least, you can understand the "logic" behind the athletes reasoning (i.e. if I think that the competitor next to me is taking BB drugs to try to gain an edge over me in physique/lifting competition, then I better be taking them too, to be playing on a level playing field).
But the insanity is, IMO, if you are an "average joe" just doing rec. BB to stay in shape and improve your appearance, etc., we all know that you can build a far above average physique over time, NATURALLY. Why risk your PRECIOUS health and potential longevity taking BB drugs (w/o medical supervision...and who in the hell does it with "medical supervision"!??) for just adding a few extra inches in muscle size in a shorter period of time!??
I mean, I would rather have my 17.5 - 18.5 in. arms, built naturally, and live a long, healthy, life like say Jack Lalanne (into my 90's) and weigh 190-200 lbs., rather than use BB drugs, bloat up to 260-280 lbs., build 23-in. arms, and run the very real risk of associated poor health and being dead at 45-55 yrs. of age!
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To each their own.. some people care more about physical appearance then others, I don't want to wait till I'm 40 to have the body I want. Using gear pushes you past plateaus like GH15 said, also for those that have never done it, don't slam it.. you don't understand the kind of pump and well being that gear gives you. It's not about being insecure or not confident enough, it's about wanting more and getting it, some people are happy with their natural 190lb bodies @ 15% bf.. others want to push the envelope and get to a lean 250 :) who cares if you compete or not? you should be working out/bodybuilding for yourself and your own goals. Not for the adoration of those that can't achieve these goals and physiques themselves.
On a final note, this is exactly like women getting plastic surgery, botox, colagen, restilyn, etc. Some people want perfection and they will go to the ends of the earth to get it, how many women with implants/colagen do you see that are porn stars or models??.. 'nuff said.
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Even the guys that take drugs to try to make a LIVING are dumbasses, IMO.
Why in the hell would you CHOOSE a vocation which REQUIRES you to BREAK THE LAW to be successful at it? You might as well be a mob hit-man or a damn bank-robber. It pays a hell of a lot better.
Guys that try to make a living off of bodybuilding (or that even do local shows) are in it for EGO. PERIOD. Some lying scleps will throw "gloryfying God" out there like Gay for Pay Dugdale when they know it's all a HUGE LIE. It's ALL to boost their own ego and satisfy their huge craving for exposure. These guys that ride the "God" reason for competing/bodybuilding crack me up.
Newsflash: It's all about YOU! I don't see guys like Dugdale out telling people to live the lifestyle he does. You know why? Because he would have to say, "Well, do as I say, not as I do...". What a crock of shit. Dugdale has top-level amatuer disciples of his who play the "God-card" as well when talking about why they compete. Yeah, I'm sure Jesus injected 1,000 mg. of test right before he distributed fish and bread in the Bible. In fact, I bet Jesus just LOVES the thought of making up for genetic deficiencies by using drugs for purposes of VANITY.
It's all about YOU, God-Card flashers. Don't continue to live the lie...and don't continue to allow your girl (s) to use drugs, BTW. Looking like you're 35 when you're in your early 20's is a problem for women....
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I agree Richard, but competition doesn't make it right, ethical, acceptable or any less dangerous. I don't
think it's fair to seperate the two.
Count, I guess every since at least 776 BC, the approximate start of the ancient Greek Olympic games, ATHLETES have been trying to use every means possible to gain an edge over their competitors...fair of unfair!! No, its not "morally/ethically right" to "cheat to win"...but, at least, you can understand the "logic" behind the athletes reasoning (i.e. if I think that the competitor next to me is taking BB drugs to try to gain an edge over me in physique/lifting competition, then I better be taking them too, to be playing on a level playing field).
But the insanity is, IMO, if you are an "average joe" just doing rec. BB to stay in shape and improve your appearance, etc., we all know that you can build a far above average physique over time, NATURALLY. Why risk your PRECIOUS health and potential longevity taking BB drugs (w/o medical supervision...and who in the hell does it with "medical supervision"!??) for just adding a few extra inches in muscle size in a shorter period of time!??
I mean, I would rather have my 17.5 - 18.5 in. arms, built naturally, and live a long, healthy, life like say Jack Lalanne (into my 90's) and weigh 190-200 lbs., rather than use BB drugs, bloat up to 260-280 lbs., build 23-in. arms, and run the very real risk of associated poor health and being dead at 45-55 yrs. of age!
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Because they make you feel like KING FU**ING KONG.
(http://www.darki.com/Bilder/06/januar/king_kong/king_kong.jpg)
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Lifting on gear is actually healthier than doing it Naturally. If one decides he wants to be 40 lbs heavier he will be much safer doing it with steroids. To make the same gains naturally as you would on gear, would take a lot more pounding and wear and tear on your joints. It will cost more in time and injuries. Gear helps prevent injuries, saves time and helps your muscles and everything else heal quicker and more efficiently. You accomplish your goals in a shorter time and save your joints and tendons.
Now keeping it on is another story and thats where science will help us hopefully someday soon. See myostatin thread.
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Lifting on gear is actually healthier than doing it Naturally. If one decides he wants to be 40 lbs heavier he will be much safer doing it with steroids. To make the same gains naturally as you would on gear, would take a lot more pounding and wear and tear on your joints. It will cost more in time and injuries. Gear helps prevent injuries, saves time and helps your muscles and everything else heal quicker and more efficiently. You accomplish your goals in a shorter time and save your joints and tendons.
Now keeping it on is another story and thats where science will help us hopefully someday soon. See myostatin thread.
LMAO
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Vanity :-\
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OK but none of you guys have given me a concrete reason.
Why have the health risk and risk the legal issues if you have nothing to gain from it? I mean its not like you really gain anything from competing in a bbing show....but you get the picture
Because the media has built up all this scare about steroids will kill you shit. Hell they have pretty much begun saying that testosterone is the fountain of youth. You just keep benching 135 and cursing the big boys...
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Because the media has built up all this scare about steroids will kill you shit. Hell they have pretty much begun saying that testosterone is the fountain of youth. You just keep benching 135 and cursing the big boys...
hahahahaha, this coming from a guy who admits that he only benches 225 for sets of 5, on GH, roids and insulin. ::)
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Maybe the question should be why would anyone want to bodybuild without gear? Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear. WHy risk joint damage permanent tendinitous, nerve damage, and crushed disks and future arthritis. Maybe gear will prevent all those things for you. Discuss
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Maybe the question should be why would anyone want to bodybuild without gear? Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear. WHy risk joint damage permanent tendinitous, nerve damage, and crushed disks and future arthritis. Maybe gear will prevent all those things for you. Discuss
no offense man, i like you but that's the weakest thing i've ever heard.
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Maybe the question should be why would anyone want to bodybuild without gear? Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear. WHy risk joint damage permanent tendinitous, nerve damage, and crushed disks and future arthritis. Maybe gear will prevent all those things for you. Discuss
maybe if you lifted correctly and dont be sloppy with movements and poundages, then all those bad things wouldnt happen. hahah your just mad that you dont respond well to AAS.
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Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear.
well, whadda ya mean by "huge weights?" most lifetime naturals that i see (even the ones with good physiques) don't move crazy numbers.
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Even the guys that take drugs to try to make a LIVING are dumbasses, IMO.
Why in the hell would you CHOOSE a vocation which REQUIRES you to BREAK THE LAW to be successful at it? You might as well be a mob hit-man or a damn bank-robber. It pays a hell of a lot better.
Guys that try to make a living off of bodybuilding (or that even do local shows) are in it for EGO. PERIOD. Some lying scleps will throw "gloryfying God" out there like Gay for Pay Dugdale when they know it's all a HUGE LIE. It's ALL to boost their own ego and satisfy their huge craving for exposure. These guys that ride the "God" reason for competing/bodybuilding crack me up.
Newsflash: It's all about YOU! I don't see guys like Dugdale out telling people to live the lifestyle he does. You know why? Because he would have to say, "Well, do as I say, not as I do...". What a crock of shit. Dugdale has top-level amatuer disciples of his who play the "God-card" as well when talking about why they compete. Yeah, I'm sure Jesus injected 1,000 mg. of test right before he distributed fish and bread in the Bible. In fact, I bet Jesus just LOVES the thought of making up for genetic deficiencies by using drugs for purposes of VANITY.
It's all about YOU, God-Card flashers. Don't continue to live the lie...and don't continue to allow your girl (s) to use drugs, BTW. Looking like you're 35 when you're in your early 20's is a problem for women....
Oppps...another intelligent, informed, well-written, post! We can't have that on these boards, mods.!!
Look out there EgoCrusher, don't try not to sound too well-informed/intelligent/logical, or passionate, on a subject...or, the moron-majority on these boards will accuse you of having a "meltdown"...duhhh, ugh, grunt, snort, fart...yuk, yuk, yuk!!!
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Maybe the question should be why would anyone want to bodybuild without gear? Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear. WHy risk joint damage permanent tendinitous, nerve damage, and crushed disks and future arthritis. Maybe gear will prevent all those things for you. Discuss
You get so much stronger so much faster when on a lot of gear that it is harder on your joints and tendons,in my opinion.
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I could see if someone really enjoyed BBing and liked to compete as a hobby and needed gear to compete on a local stage or if someone had to get in top condition for a paid shoot, but why do local gym idiots with 15%+ Bodyfat and average muscle take AAS? WHat are they trying to acomplish? DO they think they will gain 'Alpha Male " status with an additional 20 lbs of watery muscle? DO they think a 350lb benchpress will have every stripper in town trying to hook up with them? I talked to a guy a few years ago at my gym who was setting up this 15 week cycle with 5 diff compounds in it. I asked him what show he was getting ready for and he said he didnt compete, I then asked him if he must be getting ready for a paid photo shoot .. " No" he replied.
Why do guys who dont compete take AAS?
The same reason why people drink a beer or smoke a joint. Because its their business and knowone else's.
PB
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Oppps...another intelligent, informed, well-written, post! We can't have that on these boards, mods.!!
Look out there EgoCrusher, don't try not to sound too well-informed/intelligent/logical, or passionate, on a subject...or, the moron-majority on these boards will accuse you of having a "meltdown"...duhhh, ugh, grunt, snort, fart...yuk, yuk, yuk!!!
Schmoe meltdown...... go jerk it to that guy Melissa you like so much
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One of the "moron-majority" speaks out...need I say more!??
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One of the "moron-majority" speaks out...need I say more!??
Dont you have to go outside and attempt to tell neighborhood kids about your lifts from the 50's and show them "recent" pictures taken in 1971
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Gears are the best thing since slice bread, Morons
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Ahhh...and yet another thread, with an interesting, thought-provoking, subject, turns into the usual juvenile, moron-level, name-calling, insults, and personal attack posts...ho hum!
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I don't know but my motto is if you aint cheating you aint trying. I worked out naturally from ages 16-22 and i'm currently 24 I've been taking aas for about two years with proper cycles and pct. I do not compete and really don't plan to at this moment. In two years i saw pretty good gains but, not only did I gain size but I got reallly defined.Now to answer your question Over the counter supplements excluding protein and creatine really don't work as good and are over priced. I can get twice the results from a $60 bottle of test than an $85 bottle of 1ad or maxtest etc. so the answer is I get more bang for the buck bottomline.
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You guys that use are in COMPLETE denial about this subject.
I'm not sure if you all realize it, but you sound like morphine or heroine addicts trying to justify their addictions, and you do have an addiction.
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I don't know but my motto is if you aint cheating you aint trying. I worked out naturally from ages 16-22 and i'm currently 24 I've been taking aas for about two years with proper cycles and pct. I do not compete and really don't plan to at this moment. In two years i saw pretty good gains but, not only did I gain size but I got reallly defined.Now to answer your question Over the counter supplements excluding protein and creatine really don't work as good and are over priced. I can get twice the results from a $60 bottle of test than an $85 bottle of 1ad or maxtest etc. so the answer is I get more bang for the buck bottomline.
WORD!!!!
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Count, I guess every since at least 776 BC, the approximate start of the ancient Greek Olympic games, ATHLETES have been trying to use every means possible to gain an edge over their competitors...fair of unfair!! No, its not "morally/ethically right" to "cheat to win"...but, at least, you can understand the "logic" behind the athletes reasoning (i.e. if I think that the competitor next to me is taking BB drugs to try to gain an edge over me in physique/lifting competition, then I better be taking them too, to be playing on a level playing field).
But the insanity is, IMO, if you are an "average joe" just doing rec. BB to stay in shape and improve your appearance, etc., we all know that you can build a far above average physique over time, NATURALLY. Why risk your PRECIOUS health and potential longevity taking BB drugs (w/o medical supervision...and who in the hell does it with "medical supervision"!??) for just adding a few extra inches in muscle size in a shorter period of time!??
I mean, I would rather have my 17.5 - 18.5 in. arms, built naturally, and live a long, healthy, life like say Jack Lalanne (into my 90's) and weigh 190-200 lbs., rather than use BB drugs, bloat up to 260-280 lbs., build 23-in. arms, and run the very real risk of associated poor health and being dead at 45-55 yrs. of age!
Die at 45-55 years old? Are you aware that no Mr. Olympia winner, all of whom have juiced, are dead? Look it up, even Larry Scott is still alive!
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Die at 45-55 years old? Are you aware that no Mr. Olympia winner, all of whom have juiced, are dead? Look it up, even Larry Scott is still alive!
Well, we REALLY don't know what has happened in regard to the actual health of former Mr. Olympia competitors, because it is one of the most closely guarded/hidden secrets in all of BB!! But, we do know that several pro. card-carrying IFBB BBers have died, before their apparent time, or have had horrendous health problems...like open heart surgeries! I mean, what little TRUTH that "leaks out" on the subject is overwhelmingly NEGATIVE!
As a matter of fact, one of our most informed, intelligent, Getbig members/posters "Disgusted" posted a long "laundry list" of top-level pro. BBers, a while back, who were either deceased, or had MAJOR health problems; very apparently due to the long-term monstrous stacks of BB drugs they injest/inject.
Disgusted, sure would love to see that "laundry list" posted again!?
Of course, we could all just re-read that excellent Iron Man article, titled "The State of Pro Competitive Bobybuilding" on the "wonderful benefits" of BB drug stacks...
http://www.robertlagana.com/content/view/86/85/
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to be as big and strong as possible...... so i can swat you down, and fuck your girl with ease :D
I don't know why the discussion went past this comment. Case closed.
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I find it amazing how much naturals (esp. these so called lifetime naturals) care about other lifters steroid usage.. I'm also shocked that croatch hasn't had a major meltdown in this thread yet as he's usually the one advocating natural training and slamming those of us that chose to enhance our bodies and take them to the next level.
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I find it amazing how much naturals (esp. these so called lifetime naturals) care about other lifters steroid usage.. I'm also shocked that croatch hasn't had a major meltdown in this thread yet as he's usually the one advocating natural training and slamming those of us that chose to enhance our bodies and take them to the next level.
I would agree with that. You never here someone who made a decision to juice, speak down upon somebody that is natural. Either way should make no difference to anybody. Unless you compete as a natural and juice, other than that who cares?
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I would agree with that. You never here someone who made a decision to juice, speak down upon somebody that is natural. Either way should make no difference to anybody. Unless you compete as a natural and juice, other than that who cares?
dont you 'juice' X factor?
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all you need to do is go to these bodybuilding shows and you'll see lots of meatheads in the Audience who look like they're competing. I'm surprise sometime to see tons of these MuscleHedz at the Expos, we're talking about guys who never set foot on a stage.
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all you need to do is go to these bodybuilding shows and you'll see lots of meatheads in the Audience who look like they're competing. I'm surprise sometime to see tons of these MuscleHedz at the Expos, we're talking about guys who never set foot on a stage.
do you ever tell any of these guys about your massive 525 bench at 190, "hugepecs"?
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dont you 'juice' X factor?
I have. I took 400 mgs of test. And will start my second one soon. Probably test and decca.
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My God, you mean we actually have people with intelligence, reason, logic, and common sense, posting on Getbig!???
Mods, we can't have that...ban this poster immediately!!!
Why??!!! Because THESE STRICTLY RECREATIONAL BBers are INSECURE, WANT "INSTANT GRATIFICATION", are LAZY, and are NOT PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK!!!
Richard, Im not sure if you support my stance or not?
Please clarify if you think guys who do NOT compete should take gear...( medical or HRT issues aside)
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do you ever tell any of these guys about your massive 525 bench at 190, "hugepecs"?
of course, I do. we just had to find a local gym after the show. World's Gym in columbus will be packed on friday march 2nd. The place is packed with local gym rats and some of the Pros. it's the fun part of the weekend
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Even the guys that take drugs to try to make a LIVING are dumbasses, IMO.
Why in the hell would you CHOOSE a vocation which REQUIRES you to BREAK THE LAW to be successful at it? You might as well be a mob hit-man or a damn bank-robber. It pays a hell of a lot better.
On point..! Aint that the TRUTH! Just think EGO, there ar eguys who BREAK THE LAW with no profit at all! How dumb is that!
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Fixed.
HAHA!
Where the hell have ya been, Matt?
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I think once you take gear for a few years then stay clean for 2+ years but eat/train/rest smarter you begin to see that you could have been almost as lean/muscular had u by-passed the gear.
I know SQUADFATHER mentioned this in another thread, how once he was clean for 3 years he re-gained natty close to what he acomplished back when he was on gear.... and he did it this time with out negative sides or committing a felony.
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I think once you take gear for a few years then stay clean for 2+ years but eat/train/rest smarter you begin to see that you could have been almost as lean/muscular had u by-passed the gear.
I know SQUADFATHER mentioned this in another thread, how once he was clean for 3 years he re-gained natty close to what he acomplished back when he was on gear.... and he did it this time with out negative sides or committing a felony.
honestly that's the biggest thing for me, i would just rather avoid all the drama that goes along with buying and using gear, the money, the hassles, the worrying, the needles, etc.
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honestly that's the biggest thing for me, i would just rather avoid all the drama that goes along with buying and using gear, the money, the hassles, the worrying, the needles, etc.
Exactly, just think Squad, there are guys who do this for year on end for no other reason then "Because I like the way it makes me feel and chicks like it" if thats the truth , then there is a place for you guys.. its called REHAB!
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Exactly, just think Squad, there are guys who do this for year on end for no other reason then "Because I like the way it makes me feel and chicks like it" if thats the truth , then there is a place for you guys.. its called REHAB!
dude i used to train with a powerlifter, a middleweight, who was on FOR 24 YEARS STRAIGHT WITH NO BREAK!!!! hahahahaha, can you imagine?
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Exactly, just think Squad, there are guys who do this for year on end for no other reason then "Because I like the way it makes me feel and chicks like it" if thats the truth , then there is a place for you guys.. its called REHAB!
What about doing a line here and there and does that make you bad to?
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What about doing a line here and there and does that make you bad to?
First of all I dont drink, smoke or do rec.drugs. But to answer your question yes it is even WORSE to do a line since thats a schedule I narcotic( I think, it might be schedule II, depends on what is was a line of). AAS are schedule III.
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dude i used to train with a powerlifter, a middleweight, who was on FOR 24 YEARS STRAIGHT WITH NO BREAK!!!! hahahahaha, can you imagine?
Did he ever come off? Was or IS he on HRT?
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What about doing a line here and there and does that make you bad to?
Alcohol, Nicotene( sp?) and Rec drugs are all PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE! Often times people have to enter Rehab or AA groups or take the patch to break the habit and addicition. BUT AAS are NOT PHYSICALLY addictive, emotionally and mentally addictive perhaps but the human body does NOT have withdrawl symptoms if you dont take them , so comparing Alcohol, cigs and rec drugs to taking AAS is a VERY POOR analogy.
Keep posting your lame excuses people.
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AAS is MENTALLY ADDICTIVE.
Let someone take away the gear of someone who's juiced for YEARS, someone trying to get a pro-card, etc. and flush it down the drain in front of them. Their reaction will be EXACTLY like that of an alcoholic, heroine addict, cocaine addict, etc. They can't LIVE WITHOUT IT. They can't imagine life the way they want to live it WITHOUT THEIR GEAR. That, my friends, makes them ADDICTS.
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Alcohol, Nicotene( sp?) and Rec drugs are all PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE! Often times people have to enter Rehab or AA groups or take the patch to break the habit and addicition. BUT AAS are NOT PHYSICALLY addictive, emotionally and mentally addictive perhaps but the human body does NOT have withdrawl symptoms if you dont take them , so comparing Alcohol, cigs and rec drugs to taking AAS is a VERY POOR analogy.
Keep posting your lame excuses people.
Exactly, Just like I said earlier, HOWEVER your body will NOT go into withdrawl symptoms if the AAS are removed, but I will agree that sometimes counseling is necessary to overcome that addiction. My point is that At least peeps who take Rec drugs can say they are PHYSICALLY addicted, AAS users can NOT make that claim.
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Alcohol, Nicotene( sp?) and Rec drugs are all PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE! Often times people have to enter Rehab or AA groups or take the patch to break the habit and addicition. BUT AAS are NOT PHYSICALLY addictive, emotionally and mentally addictive perhaps but the human body does NOT have withdrawl symptoms if you dont take them , so comparing Alcohol, cigs and rec drugs to taking AAS is a VERY POOR analogy.
Keep posting your lame excuses people.
Lame excuses? What? Do you believe in premarital sex?
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Lame excuses? What? Do you believe in premarital sex?
lol nice try hoss, but premarital sex is NOT physically addictive.
Lets stick to the topic of AAS use in NON competitors please.
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lol nice try hoss, but premarital sex is NOT physically addictive.
Lets stick to the topic of AAS use in NON competitors please.
No was just curious. I noticed god/religion had been brought up a few times in this thread, that had relevance to that.
Why would you be so judgmental, you know what bodybuilding entails and you are on chat forum called getbig for christ sakes?
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No was just curious. I noticed god/religion had been brought up a few times in this thread, that had relevance to that.
Why would you be so judgmental, you know what bodybuilding entails and you are on chat forum called getbig for christ sakes?
Sorry Bro but I think its a stupid thing to do something that is a FELONY and brings you no material or financial gain at all.
EgoCrusher had a excellent post at the top of tha page that will answer your question, you should read it.
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Sorry Bro but I think its a stupid thing to do something that is a FELONY and brings you no material or financial gain at all.
EgoCrusher had a excellent post at the top of tha page that will answer your question, you should read it.
Guess I would have to disagree. I break the law if I do a bump once in a while, or exceed the speed limit, or run a stop sign, I have gone upwards of 120 mph in my car, and I think that is a felony. All of these things don't make me a bad person, I pay taxes, have a good job, nice home, am an active voter, and treat others in my life very well. What is so wrong with doing a cycle? Let's be real here, anybody who has done a cycle knows that you could never ever get that strong in that short amount of time. It's fun and done safely is fine.
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Why do we do it? To get you to ask questions:) By the way... there IS legal gear out there (think superdrol clones, pheraplex clones, promagnon-25, epistane, etc...) So the legality issue can be worked around and be completely safe from the law. Personally, l like it because I like to feel stronger, and I had below normal test levels natty already (enough that an anti-aging clinic would prescribe me something if I wanted) simply put... it makes me feel good:) If I loose my gains 3 or 4 years down the road staying natural, so be it... if they are not abused, have long enough stretches in between cycles (only 2 or 3 a year tops) and followed with the proper pct and support supps, people end up just fine. So who's to say we shouldn't? BTW... if you need proof that people dont loose ALL their size down the road and are perfectly healthy with low dose moderate AAS use, look at Larry Scott.
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Sorry Bro but I think its a stupid thing to do something that is a FELONY and brings you no material or financial gain at all.
EgoCrusher had a excellent post at the top of tha page that will answer your question, you should read it.
Where are you getting this felony bullshit from !?!? do you have any idea how easy it is to get a prescription for steroids from a doctor, legally ??! hell, aside from one or two other countries the states seems to be the only place where steroids are perceived as being so bad and evil (all thanks to pro sports and the money they generate). Most other countries you can walk into a pharmacy and buy steroids over the counter without a prescription.
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There are always ways to get around the legality issue...whether it be through a prescription or the legal designers they have out... so it really ISNT an issue, is it? I can't believe how many anti-steroid threads there are on this board... do angry mothers visit here and post often???? Cause that's the only explaination I can think of with all these bullshit threads trashing anabolics... bodybuilding has ALWAYS BEEN about steroids as far back as the 1st mr. olympia. And he's doing just fine today... looks better and is in better shape/health than 99.99 percent of the country. If I wanted to read about the "dangers" of steroids, I'd watch the news... cause they love to sensationalize a story over NOTHING as long as it boosts ratings. If you ask why someone who doesn't compete want to use steroids, you might as well be asking why people bodybuild at all, because you are gonna get the same answer.
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A more pressing question,why get on stage and prance around in skimpy posing trunks? ???
AAS if used correctly and in libral amounts to help acheive certain training goals pose no health risk imo.
Whats wrong with topping your bodys hormone levals up so you can get a little bit more ripped or stronger?
Same with girls that get breast inhancements and even work out so they can get attention from the opposite sex and glears of envy from there own.
"You come into this world small and wrinkled ,you also leave this world small and wrinkled - how you look in between is up to you"
Or somthing like that :-*
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Where are you getting this felony bullshit from !?!? do you have any idea how easy it is to get a prescription for steroids from a doctor, legally ??! hell, aside from one or two other countries the states seems to be the only place where steroids are perceived as being so bad and evil (all thanks to pro sports and the money they generate). Most other countries you can walk into a pharmacy and buy steroids over the counter without a prescription.
If you have AAS in your POSSESSION with out a script then it is a FELONY.
C;mon even the most progressive MD isnt going to write u enough gear to do much of a meaningful cycle. A/f all What are u going to get from a MD anyway>? A 10ml vile of test and deca once every 3 months? And pay 4 x what u can get it for on the black market?
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Whats wrong with topping your bodys hormone levals up so you can get a little bit more ripped or stronger?
Same with girls that get breast inhancements and even work out so they can get attention from the opposite sex and glears of envy from there own.
But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
Which is it?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
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But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
Which is it?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
The bottom line is that no natural trainer will EVER look anywhere as good as he would with AAS (provided he knows what he's doing) that's the bottom line, the body cannot and will not hold on to that much lean muscle naturally. Ever heard of homeostasis? this is what the human body is trying to maintain - in other words; equilibrium, the human body does not want to be a shredded 260lbs. and it will do everything possible to thwart those efforts.
If you have AAS in your POSSESSION with out a script then it is a FELONY.
Wrong again, maybe in the united states but not in the rest of the world. I've been pulled over (for speeding) by cops with bottles and bottles of gear in the cup holder of my car, all the cop did was ask if that was steroids , I said yes and that was the end of it. He never said another word about it.
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But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
Which is it?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
Some people just don't have the genetics, bud ::)
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Some people just don't have the genetics, bud ::)
I love this excuse... and here is my reply:
1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.
2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.
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I love this excuse... and here is my reply:
1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.
2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.
exactly although i think the trainer/coach and supplements are overrated.
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The bottom line is that no natural trainer will EVER look anywhere as good as he would with AAS (provided he knows what he's doing) that's the bottom line, the body cannot and will not hold on to that much lean muscle naturally. Ever heard of homeostasis? this is what the human body is trying to maintain - in other words; equilibrium, the human body does not want to be a shredded 260lbs. and it will do everything possible to thwart those efforts.
LOL whatever Cap. EQ, I am sure your nutrition, supplementation, training is on such an 'Elite" level that you cant make anymore progress as a natty.
Wrong again, maybe in the united states but not in the rest of the world. I've been pulled over (for speeding) by cops with bottles and bottles of gear in the cup holder of my car, all the cop did was ask if that was steroids , I said yes and that was the end of it. He never said another word about it.
Bro WTF are you talking about.... I have no CLUE nor does this topic have anything to do with what goes on in other countries.
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exactly although i think the trainer/coach and supplements are overrated.
Good point but I believe that a educated professional in the strength training industry who has walked the walk and trained dozens of athletes as well as the general public can often spot "deficiencies" in even the most seasoned bbers /lifters programs.
As much experience as I have training myself and other athletes I BELIEVE Louie Simmons from Westside could still add value and improve my workouts if he were to critique them.
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Good point but I believe that a educated professional in the strength training industry who has walked the walk and trained dozens of athletes as well as the general public can often spot "deficiencies" in even the most seasoned bbers /lifters programs.
As much experience as I have training myself and other athletes I BELIEVE Louie Simmons from Westside could still add value and improve my workouts if he were to critique them.
yeah, that's a good point.
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I love this excuse... and here is my reply:
1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.
2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.
I agree with you to some extent... people can build solid physiques with the proper training/diet/etc protocol, TO A POINT, because of genetics, and that point might not be good enough for some people. I just want to know why its so wrong to use a responsible, moderate AAS cycle (whether the legal designers or from a doctors scrip) if someone knows what they are doing to surpass genetic limitations? What do you have against it? Does it effect you at all? If not, why should you be concerned if another responsible, educated adult decides what they wants to do with their body? Because the legality issue isnt an issue... and health-wise, it isn't an issue either in responsible usage... you can look at all the ironage bodybuilders as proof of this... so whats the deal with you?
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But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
Which is it?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
Oh you can get to a certain leval naturaly,I totaly agree with you but drugs will give you that little extra edge to take you that one step further,once you reach a certain leval the body just wont go any further naturaly its called homeostasis which I think has already been mentioned by CAPEQ.
You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
In my case neither of those,I beleive everyone should build a foundation of at least 5 years training naturaly minimum finding what works best for you with regards to training/diet/rest.Hell 8 - 10 years would be better as long as you are making gains its a foundation that can never be replaced imo.
If you are going to use AAS it should be when you are dieting all the excess fat off,build it up with diet/training/rest then use aas to help get you shredded.
Whats the point of building all this muscle that when you go to show it all of in the summer months you loose a large majority of it through dieting,aas can help there.
Beats whacking your head against a brick wall ,as long as they are used properly and in libral amounts then hey why does it worry you?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
Why not? or because I can?Are you saying we should all just sit in front of telly and eat like TA does?
The vast majority of people who bodybuild never get up on stage and compete some use aas to help push that lil bit further to reach there own PERSONALgoals to look a certain way and some people dont.Each to there own. :)
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I love this excuse... and here is my reply:
1)If you dont have the genetics with out AAS, then you WONT EVEN WITH AAS!
If you have a poor physique as a natty then you will have a poor physique( just not as poor) while on AAS.
2)ANYONE and I mean ANYONE (disabled/diseases aside) can build a solid physique with a moderate level of muscle with a low Bodyfat if they incorporate solid nutrition, proper pre/post workout nutrition, sleep/recovery, supplementation and smart well planned weight training routine by a educated strength coach/trainer.
i dont know how to copy the squad blub into this quote too but consider him included too in this,,
I CONSIDER 50% OF THIS BOARD TO BE SANE WHEN IT COMES TO REAL BODYBUILDING,,BUT YOU 2 ARE OUT OF THE WACK,,YOU REALLY GOT NO CLUE MY FRIENDS,,WIZE UP AND STOP POSTING BLUB
YOU SEE CHRIS RIGHT NOW!!!! HE LOOKS WORSE THAN 150LB MEXICAN KID NEXT TO HIM!!!,,YOU SEE THOMAS NOW HE LOOK A LOT WORSE THAN CHRIS,,YOU SEE KEN,,YOU SEE EVEN KEVIN!!!! ALL LOOK HORRID!,,NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF SICKNESS BUT MAINLY BECAUSE BODYBUILDING = HORMONES AND HORMONES = BODYBUILDING,, AND THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF USING THEM RIGHT NOW LIKE THEY USED TO,,YOU ALWAYS GOT TO BE ON THEM AND PUSH THE ENVELOPE INORDER TO TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND MAKE IT BETTER! SO DONT TELL ME CRAP ABOUT NO GENETICS WHEN YOU NEVER BEEN AT 200+ WITH REAL 5-6%
IF YOU SAW CHRIS IN THE GYM NOW YOU WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM A FIRST TIME! YET IN COUPLE MONTHS HE WILL LOOK PHENOMINAL,,,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE MEMORY AND HORMONES!!! H O R M O N E S ! AND PLENTY OF THEM,,,
PLENTY OF GUYS DONT HAVE GENETICS AND THE MOMENT THEY GO ON HORMONES THEY LOOK THE BEST IN THEIR LITTLE USA TOWN OR COUNTY,,
IT IS NOT THE GENETICS YOU HAD BEFORE YOU GOT ON HORMONES,, BUT THE RESPONSE YOU HAD TO THEM LATER ON WHILE ON THEM!!!
LASTLY,,NO ONE! NO ONE!!! CAN BUILD A PHYSIQE WORTH LOOKING AT SECOND TIME,, BODYBUILDING WIZE,, AS OF 2007 WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES,,C O N S T A N T USE OF HORMONES.
YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK SAME PLACE UNTILL YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PUT THE NEEDLE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR PUT THE TABLET SAME PLACE,,,PREFERABLY A COMBO OF THE 2
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I agree with you to some extent... people can build solid physiques with the proper training/diet/etc protocol, TO A POINT, because of genetics, and that point might not be good enough for some people. C'mon on Bro, like you or 99% of people will EVER reach that point, and if u ever do you will look DAMN IMPRESSIVE and will have no reason to use AAS since u dont compete or do paid shoots. I just want to know why its so wrong to use a responsible, moderate AAS cycle (whether the legal designers or from a doctors scrip) if someone knows what they are doing to surpass genetic limitations?WHats wrong with it? ASk the 3 branches of Govt. since they made possession a felony What do you have against it? Its a Felony, and health risks and negative sides
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i dont know how to copy the squad blub into this quote too but consider him included too in this,,
I CONSIDER 50% OF THIS BOARD TO BE SANE WHEN IT COMES TO REAL BODYBUILDING,,BUT YOU 2 ARE OUT OF THE WACK,,YOU REALLY GOT NO CLUE MY FRIENDS,,WIZE UP AND STOP POSTING BLUB
YOU SEE CHRIS RIGHT NOW!!!! HE LOOKS WORSE THAN 150LB MEXICAN KID NEXT TO HIM!!!,,YOU SEE THOMAS NOW HE LOOK A LOT WORSE THAN CHRIS,,YOU SEE KEN,,YOU SEE EVEN KEVIN!!!! ALL LOOK HORRID!,,NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF SICKNESS BUT MAINLY BECAUSE BODYBUILDING = HORMONES AND HORMONES = BODYBUILDING,, AND THEY ARE NOT CAPABLE OF USING THEM RIGHT NOW LIKE THEY USED TO,,YOU ALWAYS GOT TO BE ON THEM AND PUSH THE ENVELOPE INORDER TO TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND MAKE IT BETTER! SO DONT TELL ME CRAP ABOUT NO GENETICS WHEN YOU NEVER BEEN AT 200+ WITH REAL 5-6%
IF YOU SAW CHRIS IN THE GYM NOW YOU WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK AT HIM A FIRST TIME! YET IN COUPLE MONTHS HE WILL LOOK PHENOMINAL,,,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE MEMORY AND HORMONES!!! H O R M O N E S ! AND PLENTY OF THEM,,,
PLENTY OF GUYS DONT HAVE GENETICS AND THE MOMENT THEY GO ON HORMONES THEY LOOK THE BEST IN THEIR LITTLE USA TOWN OR COUNTY,,
IT IS NOT THE GENETICS YOU HAD BEFORE YOU GOT ON HORMONES,, BUT THE RESPONSE YOU HAD TO THEM LATER ON WHILE ON THEM!!!
LASTLY,,NO ONE! NO ONE!!! CAN BUILD A PHYSIQE WORTH LOOKING AT SECOND TIME,, BODYBUILDING WIZE,, AS OF 2007 WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES,,C O N S T A N T USE OF HORMONES.
YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK SAME PLACE UNTILL YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH TO PUT THE NEEDLE WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS OR PUT THE TABLET SAME PLACE,,,PREFERABLY A COMBO OF THE 2
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All I have to say is as far as health risks and negative sides, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. You have completely ignored my examples of people who have used them with success and didn't have all those problems you propably read about from blown-up media coverage... and the legality issue CAN be worked around... you have ignored my examples on that as well... zane (which he was actually reported to use ALOT), ferrigno, schwarzenegger (his heart surgery was due to a genetic defect-there's that word again, GENETIC... his father died young because of it) nubret, columbo, dickerson, samir, danny padilla, etc., etc., etc. the list is WAY too long... and apparently you don't know what homeostasis means either as far as genetics go... so give it a rest. ::) People believe what they want to believe... and when they are proven wrong and STILL go on with their uneducated rambling, its called IGNORANCE.
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All I have to say is as far as health risks and negative sides, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. You have completely ignored my examples of people who have used them with success and didn't have all those problems you propably read about from blown-up media coverage... and the legality issue CAN be worked around... you have ignored my examples on that as well... and apparently you don't know what homeostasis means either as far as genetics go... so give it a rest. ::) People believe what they want to believe... and when they are proven wrong and STILL go on with their uneducated rambling, its called IGNORANCE.
KInda like what your doing??
Bro just curious, how old are you and how many years have you been on gear?
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I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles (legally), keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc levels are much healthier than 99.99 percent of this country. You? And have you ever TRIED gear?
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I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles, keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc are much healthier than most. You?
I am 5 years older with triple your experience.
I can assure you, you are Many years away from your genetic potential. At the age of 25 and a NON competitive bber or NOT getting paid to do shoots you have NO Biz at all doing AAS.
What kind of example are you setting for your clients by taking AAS?
Shame on you.
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BTW how did you do 2 cycles "Legal"? DO you live in Germany?
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But why do u HAVE to have AAS to get you MORE ripped and stronger? Why cant u just be ripped and stronger with OUT AAS?
> You are either too lazy to do it naturally
> OR YOu dont have enough knowledge about nutrition/strength training to do it
Which is it?
And you DONT compete or do PAID shoots, so why do u need to be MORE ripped and stronger?
juicers can't get where they want to be naturally. not physically possible. the human body's not designed to weigh 250 at 5'6".
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I am 25, have a bachelors in sports medicine and am a personal trainer, been lifting heavy since I was 16 and researching the hell out of everything since I was 18, and have done 2 cycles (legally), keeping all of my gains, and my liver/kidney/blood pressure/testosterone/etc levels are much healthier than 99.99 percent of this country. You? And have you ever TRIED gear?
At 25, how do you get away with juicing legally? And please don't lie to all of us.
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juicers can't get where they want to be naturally. not physically possible. the human body's not designed to weigh 250 at 5'6".
No Kidding, who in their right mind would want to be 250 @ 5'6"?? :o
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At 25, how do you get away with juicing legally? And please don't lie to all of us.
NO kidding, thats what I am trying to figure out?? ::)
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No Kidding, who in their right mind would want to be 250 @ 5'6"?? :o
that's a different topic altogether. or maybe not.
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I am 5 years older with triple your experience.
I can assure you, you are Many years away from your genetic potential. At the age of 25 and a NON competitive bber or NOT getting paid to do shoots you have NO Biz at all doing AAS.
What kind of example are you setting for your clients by taking AAS?
Shame on you.
Its called marketing... I agree, I should have waited a little longer, but that is not the subject at hand...and its funny that even though you claim to have 5X the experience, and are still ignorant about proper steroid use... and shame on me!? Goddamn... you really DO sound like an angry mother now. What are your credentials? And I "get away with it" legally using the new designer products.. I'm not gonna spell them out for ya, there is a search function... use it.
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Its called marketing... I agree, I should have waited a little longer, but that is not the subject at hand...and its funny that even though you claim to have 5X the experience, and are still ignorant about proper steroid use... and shame on me!? Goddamn... you really DO sound like an angry mother now. What are your credentials?
HOW DID YOU TAKE AAS LEGALLY????
DO your clients know you take Steroids?
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HOW DID YOU TAKE AAS LEGALLY????
DO your clients know you take Steroids?
No they do not... because the vast majority of the public is just like you... uneducated and bashing things they do not understand. All they know is I look great, and it helps me get more clients just based on appearence alone. And again, I "got away with it" legally using the new designer compounds, which are steroids. I'm not going to spell them out for you, so again, ust the search function.
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This is funny. Not that I'm taking sides, but this newb Devon97 obviously has an adjenda.
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lol, what a DEA/Afterschool "don't do drugs" Special tool...
Like I said, there are way to many angry mother-type "Mcgruff the Crime Dog" anti-steroid threads here.
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No they do not... because the vast majority of the public is just like you... uneducated and bashing things they do not understand.
Perhaps you should EDUCATE them? After all they do look up to you as an authority figure in the fitness industry... so they will listen.
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Maybe the question should be why would anyone want to bodybuild without gear? Isn't it more dangerous to your body to lift huge weights day in and day out without the medical benefits of gear. WHy risk joint damage permanent tendinitous, nerve damage, and crushed disks and future arthritis. Maybe gear will prevent all those things for you. Discuss
Retard post of the year.
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Perhaps you should EDUCATE them? After all they do look up to you as an authority figure in the fitness industry... so they will listen.
They might, but obviously you wont, McGruff ::) I'm done with this tool.
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No they do not... because the vast majority of the public is just like you... uneducated and bashing things they do not understand. All they know is I look great, and it helps me get more clients just based on appearence alone. And again, I "got away with it" legally using the new designer compounds, which are steroids. I'm not going to spell them out for you, so again, ust the search function.
Why wouldn't you educate your clients on the benefits of your hormone use?
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Why wouldn't you educate your clients on the benefits of your hormone use?
Again, because the vast majority of the public watches too much TV and are grossly bias on the subject. Take Subject A: Devon.
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Mcgruff. Lol. Been a long time since I've heard that.
I say, live and let live. Devon can have his fun trying to convert people, but he's obviously never tried going door to door spreading his gospel -- it doesn't work.
lol, moron.
It got your attention......
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Again, because the vast majority of the public watches too much TV and are grossly bias on the subject.
that ain't the reason, and I don't buy the "legal" designer drugs story. I call bullshit.
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Again, because the vast majority of the public watches too much TV and are grossly bias on the subject. Take Subject A: Devon.
You dont even NEED AAS? Your young 25. An Industry Specific Degree, and a Personal Trainer... With your Knowledge and Experience Are you still UNABLE to build an IMPRESSIVE physique with out the use of AAS????
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that ain't the reason, and I don't buy the "legal" designer drugs story. I call bullshit.
Well than what is the reason bud? Since you know so much about me why dont you tell me? And USE THE DAMN SEARCH FUNCTION... I'm not gonna spell them out for ya. That is what the steroid forum is for. Go to anabolicminds.com- they are ALOT more educated on the subject than these clowns.
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Yey. *clap - clap - clap* Bozo the Clown got my attension!
I, just like everyone else, likes to watch a train wreak...and you're just starting to smash into a brick wall....just...about.... now...
I could care less what u say, it's just amazing you are so adamant that you are right in every instance.
You're a god.
Thanks!
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The ETHICS behind using steroids is the main problem I have with the abuse of AAS, not the legality. You are basically admitting to yourself that you are PHYSICALLY INFERIOR or that you lack the COMMITMENT/WILL POWER to obtain goals without using drugs. You are a walking, breathing lie. You are also a DRUG-ADDICT. While not physically addicted you are mentally addicted just as much as ANY alcoholic or heroine addict. Period. Let someone take your gear away for a couple weeks while you are in the middle of a cycle and let's see your reaction. It would resemble a meth-addict being locked up in a room without access to their drug after years of abuse.
I hit 585 for 4 squatting tonight (last heavy working set) at a weight of 204. That's to a 90 degree angle (no reason to go beyond that unless you don't want to be able to walk at age 50). That was just the beginning of my leg workout. I've never, ever used a damn thing. Why? Because I don't want to live a LIE...a nefarious, bold faced lie. Those bloated fools you see walking around that have turned themselves into human pin-cushions are THE DISGRACE of the fitness (yep, and it is about lifting for fitness/health). Bodybuilding today has turned into something it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE. Do you all not understand that? Do you think that, 50 years ago, the fathers of bodybuilding wanted to see people CHAMPIONED who were pushing themselves near death, needing a chemist and doctor to train? Bodybuilding has metamorphasized into something it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE. That's the point.
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Well than what is the reason bud? Since you know so much about me why dont you tell me? And USE THE DAMN SEARCH FUNCTION... I'm not gonna spell them out for ya. That is what the steroid forum is for. Go to anabolicminds.com- they are ALOT more educated on the subject than these clowns.
I've met too many lazy, 25-year old bullshitters like you over the years. I don't need to know you to know you...
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The ETHICS behind using steroids is the main problem I have with the abuse of AAS, not the legality. You are basically admitting to yourself that you are PHYSICALLY INFERIOR or that you lack the COMMITMENT/WILL POWER to obtain goals without using drugs. You are a walking, breathing lie. You are also a DRUG-ADDICT. While not physically addicted you are mentally addicted just as much as ANY alcoholic or heroine addict. Period. Let someone take your gear away for a couple weeks while you are in the middle of a cycle and let's see your reaction. It would resemble a meth-addict being locked up in a room without access to their drug after years of abuse.
I hit 585 for 4 squatting tonight (last heavy working set) at a weight of 204. That's to a 90 degree angle (no reason to go beyond that unless you don't want to be able to walk at age 50). That was just the beginning of my leg workout. I've never, ever used a damn thing. Why? Because I don't want to live a LIE...a nefarious, bold faced lie. Those bloated fools you see walking around that have turned themselves into human pin-cushions are THE DISGRACE of the fitness (yep, and it is about lifting for fitness/health). Bodybuilding today has turned into something it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE. Do you all not understand that? Do you think that, 50 years ago, the fathers of bodybuilding wanted to see people CHAMPIONED who were pushing themselves near death, needing a chemist and doctor to train? Bodybuilding has metamorphasized into something it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE. That's the point.
Excellent Post ! Thats another excellent reason not to use AAS.
However Swoody thinks he should take AAS at the age of 25 LOL!
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I'm gonna have to start my own thread addressed to the pro's or wannabe pro's regarding this. I want to hear the excuses first hand...
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I've met too many lazy, 25-year old bullshitters like you over the years. I don't need to know you to know you...
Alright moron, since you are obviously to handicap to use the search function, here are just some of them:
Methylmasteron (marketed under the name superdrol)
Epistane (just came out) also marketed under the name Havoc
Pheraplex
Halodrol-50 (basically oral turinabol)
Etc, etc, etc... now go bone up and research a little before you call bullshit.
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Excellent Post ! Thats another excellent reason not to use AAS.
However Swoody thinks he should take AAS at the age of 25 LOL!
That's gotta be hilarious considering I turned out just fine ;D I already told you that It would have been better to wait...you were right on that. so what's your point? I admitted I was wrong in jumping the gun with them, but you have yet to admit to anything, and there are many points you are wrong about... so again, I'm done with you.
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This is funny. Not that I'm taking sides, but this newb Devon97 obviously has an adjenda.
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lol, what a DEA/Afterschool "don't do drugs" Special/Religious Intervention tool...
Translation = Devon's girl left him for a bigger, stronger,juiced up, leaner guy, and he can't do shit about it.
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You left out puffier, pink, receeding hair line, drug-addicted, etc...but no one's perfect...
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the human body's not designed to weigh 250 at 5'6".
even with drugs what bodybuilder is 5'6 250?
no one
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Translation = Devon's girl left him for a bigger, stronger,juiced up, leaner guy, and he can't do shit about it.
yeah that could be possible
he'll deny it but why else would somebody bash steroid users so much when they willingly post on a bodybuilding forum?
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yeah that could be possible
he'll deny it but why else would somebody bash steroid users so much when they willingly post on a bodybuilding forum?
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Because they don't believe bodybuilding=steroids? :-\
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Ethics huh? So, when I take Creatine/BCAAs/etc Im "PHYSICALLY INFERIOR"? I mean hell, my body already makes it right?
Your logic is the same as:
"Wood floats...ducks float...ducks are wood."
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PS I do agree with some of what you say though. As I have always said. Too many "bodybuilders" depend on the gear to make up for piss poor diet/training/rest. I have ALWAYS stuck to the less is more philosophy when i comes to AAS.
The ETHICS behind using steroids is the main problem I have with the abuse of AAS, not the legality. You are basically admitting to yourself that you are PHYSICALLY INFERIOR or that you lack the COMMITMENT/WILL POWER to obtain goals without using drugs. You are a walking, breathing lie. You are also a DRUG-ADDICT. While not physically addicted you are mentally addicted just as much as ANY alcoholic or heroine addict. Period. Let someone take your gear away for a couple weeks while you are in the middle of a cycle and let's see your reaction. It would resemble a meth-addict being locked up in a room without access to their drug after years of abuse.
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Alright moron, since you are obviously to handicap to use the search function, here are just some of them:
Methylmasteron (marketed under the name superdrol)
Epistane (just came out) also marketed under the name Havoc
Pheraplex
Halodrol-50 (basically oral turinabol)
Etc, etc, etc... now go bone up and research a little before you call bullshit.
are those designer steroids safe?
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AAS is MENTALLY ADDICTIVE.
Let someone take away the gear of someone who's juiced for YEARS, someone trying to get a pro-card, etc. and flush it down the drain in front of them. Their reaction will be EXACTLY like that of an alcoholic, heroine addict, cocaine addict, etc. They can't LIVE WITHOUT IT. They can't imagine life the way they want to live it WITHOUT THEIR GEAR. That, my friends, makes them ADDICTS.
It isn't that you can't live without gear....you don't want to. Once you have been walking around feeling like King Kong for awhile it's depressing to go back to being "Normal". I agree with sarcasm on this one.I am in my thirties now and there are too many things in my life that are way more important than my max bench press or Squat. For me it is the legal issue more than anything.I think gear can be used safely if you use some common sense...but like it or not,at least in the USA, Uncle Sam disagrees.The price I would pay if caught isn't worth it to me anymore.I do not judge anyone on their personal choice concerning gear use.We all have to make that call on our own,and should not be concerned with anyone else who thinks differently.
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It isn't that you can't live without gear....you don't want to. Once you have been walking around feeling like King Kong for awhile it's depressing to go back to being "Normal". I agree with sarcasm on this one.I am in my thirties now and there are too many things in my life that are way more important than my max bench press or Squat. For me it is the legal issue more than anything.I think gear can be used safely if you use some common sense...but like it or not,at least in the USA, Uncle Sam disagrees.The price I would pay if caught isn't worth it to me anymore.I do not judge anyone on their personal choice concerning gear use.We all have to make that call on our own,and should not be concerned with anyone else who thinks differently.
W3rd 8)
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It isn't that you can't live without gear....you don't want to. Once you have been walking around feeling like King Kong for awhile it's depressing to go back to being "Normal".
psychological addiction
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psychological addiction
OMG, what will you fags think of next? How about to acheave a goal faster. Why do you bitches come up with all this stupid shit?
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OMG, what will you fags think of next? How about to acheave a goal faster. Why do you bitches come up with all this stupid shit?
shut the fuck up juicehead
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OK but none of you guys have given me a concrete reason.
Why have the health risk and risk the legal issues if you have nothing to gain from it? I mean its not like you really gain anything from competing in a bbing show....but you get the picture
TO GET BIGGER MUSCLES.
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shut the fuck up juicehead
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TO GET BIGGER MUSCLES.
But why do you need AAS to help you get bigger muscles? Cant you implement a quality strength program and focus on excellent nutrition and supplementation?
Please dont use the excuse that you have hit a lifetime natural PLATEAU ! LOL
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But why do you need AAS to help you get bigger muscles? Cant you implement a quality strength program and focus on excellent nutrition and supplementation?
Please dont use the excuse that you have hit a lifetime natural PLATEAU ! LOL
Some people want more. Its no different then when a guy lights a ciggerette or guzzles a beer, or smokes a joint. Its a personal choice. I say live and let live.
PB
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This is funny. Not that I'm taking sides, but this newb Devon97 obviously has an adjenda.
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lol, what a DEA/Afterschool "don't do drugs" Special/Religious Intervention tool...
hahaha, so true, he is also promotes animal abuse or at least stands in the way of people who try to protect animals. This isn't uncommon in very religous people. They see caring about animals as some form of paganism. hahahah what a tool.
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Why is it OK for someone to do gear if he's doing a photoshoot but not OK for swoody to do it so he can get more clients. Their both selling something, aren't they?
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Some people want more. Its no different then when a guy lights a ciggerette or guzzles a beer, or smokes a joint. Its a personal choice. I say live and let live.
PB
But if you dont compete or are NOT getting PAID to do a shoot then why committ a felony and risk negative side affects like gyno and balding?
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Why is it OK for someone to do gear if he's doing a photoshoot but not OK for swoody to do it so he can get more clients. Their both selling something, aren't they?
1.) At a PAID photo shoot you have a guarenteed RATE you will get paid.
2.) It doesnt help him get clients. An extra 5 lbs of muscle is NOT going to be the THRESHOLD in a potential clients deciding factor as to weather or not to hire a trainer LOL!
3.) If he needs gear to bring his physique up to par to attract clients then he must have one SHITTY NATURAL Physique to begin with and has no Biz training people...... I cant imagine having such rotten genetics that I had to rely on a cycle to help me get clients ...
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1.) At a PAID photo shoot you have a guarenteed RATE you will get paid.
2.) It doesnt help him get clients. An extra 5 lbs of muscle is NOT going to be the THRESHOLD in a potential clients deciding factor as to weather or not to hire a trainer LOL!
3.) If he needs gear to bring his physique up to par to attract clients then he must have one SHITTY NATURAL Physique to begin with and has no Biz training people...... I cant imagine having such rotten genetics that I had to rely on a cycle to help me get clients ...
I think your stretching there, they are both selling the product of fitness, they are both seducing people into buying a better body. Its really the same for the whole industry, it is a business you know, not just a contest. They are selling fitness, and bigger muscles.
What is the difference of doing roids for the IFBB and Weider and Cell Tech and doing roids to make you more appealing to whatever market your in? If someone does roids and gets more work, makes more friends and clients makes more money has a better life, how is it any differenct than the whole bodybuilding industry?. You cant say bodybuilding is just about contests its not, its professional industry, meaning its a way to make a living. Your are saying its OK for pro bodybuilders to do gear to sell themselves and products but its not OK for someone else to do gear for the very same reasons.
Your creating a double standard. If you think it is wrong for one then it must be wrong for all.
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But if you dont compete or are NOT getting PAID to do a shoot then why committ a felony and risk negative side affects like gyno and balding?
Why drink a beer and risk liver damage from the alcohol? Why smoke a ciggerette or worse yet inhale someone else's ciggarette smoke and risk lung cancer? Why walk in the sun outside and risk skin cancer?
PB
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Why drink a beer and risk liver damage from the alcohol? Why smoke a ciggerette or worse yet inhale someone else's ciggarette smoke and risk lung cancer? Why walk in the sun outside and risk skin cancer?
PB
Pathetic reaching...
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Pathetic reaching...
Not really if you think about it. People throw toxins into their bodies every single day and don't even realize it. Everyone maks AAS out to be extremly bad, but then they'll go snort a line of coke...brilliant. Same people who "refused" thier polio shot as a kid because "drugs are bad". Its a personal choice and knowones business if someone chooses to go natural or take some enhancements. Bottom line.
PB
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Not really if you think about it. People throw toxins into their bodies every single day and don't even realize it. Everyone maks AAS out to be extremly bad, but then they'll go snort a line of coke...brilliant. Same people who "refused" thier polio shot as a kid because "drugs are bad". Its a personal choice and knowones business if someone chooses to go natural or take some enhancements. Bottom line.
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Agreed.... its a personal choice..... if you dont want to you dont have to
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Not really if you think about it. People throw toxins into their bodies every single day and don't even realize it. Everyone maks AAS out to be extremly bad, but then they'll go snort a line of coke...brilliant. Same people who "refused" thier polio shot as a kid because "drugs are bad". Its a personal choice and knowones business if someone chooses to go natural or take some enhancements. Bottom line.
PB
true that, I hate when people tell me that smoking weed is dtremantal to mi helth.... ;D
no but seriously, mind ya own fawking bees wax.
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Why drink a beer and risk liver damage from the alcohol? Why smoke a ciggerette or worse yet inhale someone else's ciggarette smoke and risk lung cancer? Why walk in the sun outside and risk skin cancer?
PB
OMG!!! THOSE ARENT A FELONY!!!!! AAS IS!
THis is about the 15th time in this thread I have addressed this point... and SQUASHED IT! :o
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As much experience as I have training myself and other athletes I BELIEVE Louie Simmons from Westside could still add value and improve my workouts if he were to critique them.
What if he told you you should take gear? You know he has been on steroids for like 35 years STRAIGHT.
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Are you saying that legalities equate to moralities? That is a sad point of view. If killing babies was the law, would you kill them?
Or are you saying that the risk is getting caught?
Legally killing babies...give me a break.
Obeying the law is absolutely a moral value.
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You guys are all missing the point. If I choose to take gear wether I compete or not, its my personal business. I don't need someone policing my and telling me that I shouldn't be doing that. Its my choice. Just like other people make choices to down a beer or take up smoking. I do juice. The end.
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OMG!!! THOSE ARENT A FELONY!!!!! AAS IS!
THis is about the 15th time in this thread I have addressed this point... and SQUASHED IT! :o
And how exactly did you "squash" it? I already have proven the point that you can get steroids LEGALLY, whether by legal designer compounds or by a scrip. You squashed your balls... thats about it. There are ways around the law so if someone decides to run a cycle (which they are PERFECTLY entitled to do because this is a FREE country) they CAN do it legally.
And in reply to a previous post, the new designers (If you know that your doing... ANYTHING in eccess can be dangerous) are very mild compounds and very clean compared to their illegal cousins- whith the acception of superdrol (you will need to run milk thistle, dandelion root, etc. to protect your liver... if you do that you will be fine) and sustevol (which I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole... it has 3 methylated compunds in one serving... :-X) Other than that, they are all very mild.
By the way Benny... did you do your homework yet?
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thank God for whoever discovered steroids...hahahaha. By the way, I heard Ben johnson is now a coach...I can imagine what he's preaching to those Kids ;D
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So the government stating that individuals aren't in control of their own bodies is perfectly moral? It is acceptable to push lifestyle choices on individuals through force when the alternative is jail time?
Would it be morally acceptable for me to tell you that you can't eat hamburgers?
If eating hamburgers were against the law, my willful breaking of that law would be a lapse in my morals. ;)
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Are you saying that legalities equate to moralities? That is a sad point of view. If killing babies was the law, would you kill them?
Or are you saying that the risk is getting caught?
THe RISK is getting caught is POSSESSION and my friend if you order yoru AAS through the USPS that is ALSO a FELONY in and of its self.
Do you really want to hire a Attny to represent you and pay him several thousand? DO you really want to work off the charges with about 150 hrs of community service?
ALL OF THIS so u could "FEEL BIG" lol and u didnt even have a monetary GAIN from it or step on stage. LOL u gotta be kidding, only a dumbass would do that.
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Speak for yourself. To each his own.
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Do you really want to hire a Attny to represent you and pay him several thousand? DO you really want to work off the charges with about 150 hrs of community service?
how does competing or doing photo shoots change that in the least bit?
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Same thing applies to anyone doing any drug. I couldn't care less if steroids are against the law. I will not have ANYONE tell me what I can or cannot put into my body. That is my moral decision and nobody else's. And that is not to say I would even use gear, but it is most definitely my choice. My mom thinks I was rebelling the one time I used ecstasy and the five times I tried marijuana. ::) I just wanted to try it, and I wasn't a rebel to the law - I wasn't even taking the law into consideration, nor will I ever, when it comes to decisions like that one.
Simple - don't sign for anything. If they make you sign for it, explain that you don't know what the package is and refuse to sign for it. If you do that, you can't be charged. Once the package is delivered to your door and the mailman walks away, it would take a minimum of 24 hours to get a warrant to search your house anyway. If you have a domestic source with two day delivery, they wouldn't even have the paperwork on time to search your house before you can hide it somewhere. Also, drug dogs cannot smell steroids. You can easily hide the gear so well that literally taking your house apart piece by piece will not uncover them. Does the DEA really want to spend $10,000 trying to take $500 worth of steroids for personal use off the streets? Nope - believe me, I know how the system works just from years of being perceptive and making observations. I plan to promote safe steroid use as much as possible on my website, including advice like this.
I assure you, the law is NO incentive to me and never will be. I will NOT participate in morally reprehensible laws where third parties feel they can tell me what is and is not in my best interest. If I want to put something in my body - whether it be a a chocolate bar or a line of cocaine - I WILL. With enough public resistance to these types of government infringes of our liberty, change will be made. In 50 years, all drugs will be legal. You read it here first.
Hey, I pretty much agree with what you're saying about how we should be able to take any drug we want, but what about a possible threat that that poses to other innocent bystanders? What if someone is a victim of a violent crime because the perpetrator was doped up on something?
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Same thing applies to anyone doing any drug. I couldn't care less if steroids are against the law. I will not have ANYONE tell me what I can or cannot put into my body. That is my moral decision and nobody else's. And that is not to say I would even use gear, but it is most definitely my choice. My mom thinks I was rebelling the one time I used ecstasy and the five times I tried marijuana. ::) I just wanted to try it, and I wasn't a rebel to the law - I wasn't even taking the law into consideration, nor will I ever, when it comes to decisions like that one.
Simple - don't sign for anything. If they make you sign for it, explain that you don't know what the package is and refuse to sign for it. If you do that, you can't be charged. Once the package is delivered to your door and the mailman walks away, it would take a minimum of 24 hours to get a warrant to search your house anyway. If you have a domestic source with two day delivery, they wouldn't even have the paperwork on time to search your house before you can hide it somewhere. Also, drug dogs cannot smell steroids. You can easily hide the gear so well that literally taking your house apart piece by piece will not uncover them. Does the DEA really want to spend $10,000 trying to take $500 worth of steroids for personal use off the streets? Nope - believe me, I know how the system works just from years of being perceptive and making observations. I plan to promote safe steroid use as much as possible on my website, including advice like this.
I assure you, the law is NO incentive to me and never will be. I will NOT participate in morally reprehensible laws where third parties feel they can tell me what is and is not in my best interest. If I want to put something in my body - whether it be a a chocolate bar or a line of cocaine - I WILL. With enough public resistance to these types of government infringes of our liberty, change will be made. In 50 years, all drugs will be legal. You read it here first.
Obeying the law only when it suits you reflects your moral shortcomings.
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Dont you have to go outside and attempt to tell neighborhood kids about your lifts from the 50's and show them "recent" pictures taken in 1971
Now, now, Benji, I've taken a whole bunch of flames from you w/o responding...guess it's time to finally respond!
Uhhh...I don't need to "tell neighborhood kids about my lifts made in the 1950's", since, thanks to the Squad gang's repeated flaming and challenges on Getbig, I finally posted my officially documented lifts...fully backing up my claims!
Now, my challenge to YOU...with all of the BB drugs now available to artificially inflate your physical strength; plus all of the multi-ply support equipment/clothing available to provide added support/aid to your weak body...let's see if you can lift merely 340 lbs. from the floor overhead in a controlled manner, totally unassisted, as I did...over 47 years ago, in an official weightlifting contest, totally drug-free, weighing only a skinny 185 lbs., and wearing only a single-ply 4 in. wide flimsy "lifting belt".
Why, I'm only asking you to lift a DOCUMENTED mediocre 340 lbs. overhead unassisted, not a full 155 lbs. over your bodyweight overhead, as I did! Surely, you can do this with all of the artificial, CHEATING, aids/advantages available to you today!??
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But if you dont compete or are NOT getting PAID to do a shoot then why committ a felony and risk negative side affects like gyno and balding?
Why worry about what any of us do? mind your business. There is nothing wrong with sensible gear use.Yes it is illegal and everyone must make the choice if it is worth the risk to them.It has no effect on you if I decide to use so why do you care?
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Why worry about what any of us do? mind your business. There is nothing wrong with sensible gear use.Yes it is illegal and everyone must make the choice if it is worth the risk to them.It has no effect on you if I decide to use so why do you care?
TRUE, I am NOT worried, I was simply asking.... hence the TITLE of the thread " WHy do guys who DONT compete take AAS?"
..... and you along with everyone else has not been able to provide a concrete answer
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Like I said, don't sign for the package and you can't get charged. The end.
Incorrect
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..... and you along with everyone else has not been able to provide a concrete answer
there have been plenty of good answers you just don't want to accept them for whatever reason ::)
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Now, now, Benji, I've taken a whole bunch of flames from you w/o responding...guess it's time to finally respond!
Uhhh...I don't need to "tell neighborhood kids about my lifts made in the 1950's", since, thanks to the Squad gang's repeated flaming and challenges on Getbig, I finally posted my officially documented lifts...fully backing up my claims!
Now, my challenge to YOU...with all of the BB drugs now available to artifically inflate your physical strength; plus all of the multi-ply support equipment/clothing available to provide added support/aid to your weak body...let's see if you can lift merely 340 lbs. from the floor overhead in a controlled manner, totally unassisted, as I did...over 47 years ago, in an official weightlifting contest, totally drug-free, weighing only a skinny 185 lbs., and wearing only a single-ply 4 in. wide flimsy "lifting belt".
Why, I'm only asking you to lift a DOCUMENTED mediocre 340 lbs. overhead unassisted, not a full 155 lbs. over your bodyweight overhead, as I did! Surely, you can do this with all of the artificial, CHEATING, aids/advantages available to you today!??
I didnt challenge yoiu to a lift off I said you are a delusional old man ::)
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I didnt challenge yoiu to a lift off I said you are a delusional old man ::)
Pussy ;D
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there have been plenty of good answers you just don't want to accept them for whatever reason ::)
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Well of course you think they are GOOD answers, your delusional you ACTUALLY think someone needs AAS who doesnt compete, doesnt require HRT and Doesnt need them for their profession (model or athlete).
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Well of course you think they are GOOD answers, your delusional you ACTUALLY think someone needs AAS who doesnt compete, doesnt require HRT and Doesnt need them for their profession (model or athlete).
Is there any reason why you're so concerned about OUR choice to take anabolics? I mean after all, ITS REALLY NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
PB
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Is there any reason why you're so concerned about OUR choice to take anabolics? I mean after all, ITS REALLY NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
PB
Well I am more CONFUSED then concerned.... which is why I asked the question " Why do guys who DONT compete take AAS?" So far I still havent gotten any logical answers.
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I thought I told you de-von its also a money factor, I
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why spend 80 dollars on some fake over the counter steroid knock-off when I can buy the real thing for 50 bucks enough said, My physique looked good when I was natural
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I dont feel like sifting throught this thread, so if its been said, sorry. Its the same as asking why anyone does any drugs. You like it. Simple as that. Why drink? Why do any drug for that matter. Its to feel good.
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Are you saying I could have a package of gear sent to your house and you could go to jail for it? In that case we could all just send random packages to the homes of people we dislike and they could go to jail. It doesn't work that way. If you deny it up and down - providing there is no other evidence - you will not get charged. Courts have a burden of proof you know. A random package arriving at your door with no other evidence will not hold up in court. Hope this helps.
Just out of curiosity, do you work for the DEA? If so, I will definitely squash all of your propaganda point by point. I will not allow people to forego doing a drug if they so choose in fear of the law. The solution to the drug problems in the world is not that. Only through education can we promote health and safety.
1) If you sent me a 100 bottle order of Gear and one of the bottles cracked and leaked out... the Postal Inspector can open the package..... with an order as large as 100 bottles it would not be unsual at all for a judge to issue a search warrent for the residence the package was addressed to, especally if it was local.
2) If a UG lab was busted and your addy was found on a customer list AND LOCAL dont be surprised if the local Narcotics division flagged your addy..... and then if u continued to have mulitple packages delivered they could EASILY get a search warrent. NO CONTROLLED DELIVER NEEDED ... I know this for a fact because I know someone this happened to and my friend is a narcotics investigator.
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I dont feel like sifting throught this thread, so if its been said, sorry. Its the same as asking why anyone does any drugs. You like it. Simple as that. Why drink? Why do any drug for that matter. Its to feel good.
SO basically your mentally, physically or emotionally addicted.... Got it.
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Don't keep the gear in your house.
Do you honestly believe that everyone who uses drugs gets busted? I would say 95% of people who buy, sell, and use drugs do not.
You're like my mother. To her smoking a joint is the same as abusing cocaine for 30 years. Stop thinking in absolute terms. There are many people who use drugs, both recreational and hormonal, who are not addicted to anything and are quite emotionally stable making a decision as an adult to do what they do. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.
So your willing to risk a FELONIOUS record and addiction to drugs with out FINIANCIAL GAIN or Contest Success?
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So your willing to risk a FELONIOUS record and addiction to drugs with out FINIANCIAL GAIN or Contest Success?
people do it everyday man, legal and illegal drugs. Do you drink caffene? I personally am not an advocate of steroids, and dont smoke weed, but I also dont see a problem with it. There are tons of things that are worse. Not flaming you dude, just saying. :-\
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people do it everyday man, legal and illegal drugs. Do you drink caffene? I personally am not an advocate of steroids, and dont smoke weed, but I also dont see a problem with it. There are tons of things that are worse. Not flaming you dude, just saying. :-\
Yea Bro but its not a FELONY to drink caffene!
Your rightpeople do it every day and I wanted to know WHY they do it.
SO far no one has been able to provide a legit reason.
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Well of course you think they are GOOD answers, your delusional you ACTUALLY think someone needs AAS who doesnt compete, doesnt require HRT and Doesnt need them for their profession (model or athlete).
nobody here needs to lift weights either so what is your point ::)
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I suspect that if you already have an anti-steroid attitude that nothing I say will change your point of view. I'm going to be rational and logical in my reply to you and I will assume that you are open minded and intelligent enough to understand my points.
They say no one does their first line of cocaine expecting to become an addict, and this is true of addicts. However, many do cocaine and do not become addicted - the difference is the fact that those who do not become addicted generally have the foresight to know what they are getting into, be aware of the dangers, and act accordingly to prevent such hazards from taking place. Similarly, you can use steroids without being addicted - they are not physiologically addicting and they do not have to be psychologically addicting unless you allow them to (much like getbig).
There is also little financial gain in competitive bodybuilding and many juiced competitors make nothing from it. So how does that justify the use of steroids? Achieving contest success is no more relevant than achieving gym success. Take finances out of the picture and all you are left with is personal fulfillment, be it in the gym or on stage.
Will I risk a criminal record to use steroids? Absolutely! I will not allow the state to tell me what I can or cannot put in my body. With enough people resisting these immoral and controlling laws they will not be able to arrest everyone, and true progressive change can be made regarding drug use.
Take care, Devon97. I hope that I have helped to show you a new perspective in some way.
But how does one get personal fulfillment if they dont even "document" the occasion.... like with a show or shoot?
If there is NOT an EVENT you are doing a cycle forthen HOW do u get fulfillment?
Good Idea , have you seen the movie "V" ?
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But how does one get personal fulfillment if they dont even "document" the occasion.... like with a show or shoot?
If there is NOT an EVENT you are doing a cycle forthen HOW do u get fulfillment?
Good Idea , have you seen the movie "V" ?
You are not even making sense.The fulfilment is the way you look and how YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF. If benching 400 lbs makes you feel better about yourself,and gear helps you do that,then that is your answer.It's a personal choice...just like any illegal drug.
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You are not even making sense.The fulfilment is the way you look and how YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF. If benching 400 lbs makes you feel better about yourself,and gear helps you do that,then that is your answer.It's a personal choice...just like any illegal drug.
Exactly...thats what I have been trying to explain in my last 5 posts on this thread but apparently people think they have the right to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do.
PB
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You are not even making sense.The fulfilment is the way you look and how YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF. If benching 400 lbs makes you feel better about yourself,and gear helps you do that,then that is your answer.It's a personal choice...just like any illegal drug.
Amen.
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You are not even making sense.The fulfilment is the way you look and how YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF. If benching 400 lbs makes you feel better about yourself,and gear helps you do that,then that is your answer.It's a personal choice...just like any illegal drug.
Yea but when u come off cycle you lose what ever you gained. SO its VERY short lived.
Still worth it?
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I didnt challenge yoiu to a lift off I said you are a delusional old man ::)
Benji, I am definitely an "old man" and can only hope that you, too, can live nearly 7 looong decades on this earth, be blessed with the excellent all-natural BB health that I've experienced, and still be able to pump the iron vigorously for over 52 years, as I have (and am still doing)!
However, it is very apparently "delusional" to think that druggy teens, like yourself, will ever match those feats/numbers of longevity/health and regular weight-training duration!?
But, it is a FACT that I lifted 155 lbs. over my bodyweight from the floor to overhead, unassisted, in an official weightlifting contest, as a totally drug-free teenager! THAT WAS/IS NO "DELUSION"!!
WHAT IS A DELUSION, however, is to think that either you, or any of the other "Squad Gang" members (shown below, at an illegal drug-using/drug-dealing/blowjob-trading party) will ever match my aforementioned feat of all-natural athletic strength!
And, that is EVEN WITH the considerable added artificial/cheating aids/crutches of BB drugs AND multi-ply support equipment/clothing to VERY UNFAIRLY inflate your natural strength (???)...and you/they STILL CAN'T officially lift 155 lbs. over your/their bodyweight from the floor to overhead, unassisted (???)...UTTERLY PATHETIC!!!
(http://nono.com/124H])
Photo of a bunch of druggy bench bump and curl "mirror athletes"
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Yea but when u come off cycle you lose what ever you gained. SO its VERY short lived.
Still worth it?
Depends on how much you took and how your genetics are and if you taper off correctly. Granted you will lose a touch of strength but you'll still look way better then the average Joe.
PB
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Depends on how much you took and how your genetics are and if you taper off correctly. Granted you will lose a touch of strength but you'll still look way better then the average Joe.
PB
Not if u looked like shit to begin with... Which leads to my next question.....
Do you need AAS to " Look WAY better then the average Joe"?
If you already "Look way better then the average Joe" Then WHY take AAS?
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Because some of us want to see how far we can go. What business is it of yours, anyway?
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Because some of us want to see how far we can go. What business is it of yours, anyway?
Translation: I am too lazy to optimize my training routine, too big of a know-it-all to listen to experts and too undiciplined to adhere to a quality nutritional program....Now stop judging me!
Ok "OZZY" Im sure you have tapped out your natural genetic potential, and absolutely HAVE to take cycles to keep making progress ::)
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Translation: I am too lazy to optimize my training routine, too big of a know-it-all to listen to experts and too undiciplined to adhere to a quality nutritional program....Now stop judging me!
Ok "OZZY" Im sure you have tapped out your natural genetic potential, and absolutely HAVE to take cycles to keep making progress ::)
Translation: I am an uneducated internet STRAIGHT EDGE. No alcohol or pre-marital sex for me, so I go on the internet and preach the dangers of drugs and alcohol without knowing anything and backing up my arguments by attacking people rather than explaining my views.
In all seriousness, you asked a question and I answered truthfully. Way to attack me for it. Hahaha, I did ONE 8 week cycle of d-bol and winny and now I'm a know-it-all and lazy. Hahahaha, ok. You can keep your narrow mindedness intact for all I care. I don't really feel like defending moderate steroid use again right now.
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Benji, I am definitely an "old man" and can only hope that you, too, can live nearly 7 looong decades on this earth, be blessed with the excellent all-natural BB health that I've experienced, and still be able to pump the iron vigorously for over 52 years, as I have (and am still doing)!
However, it is very apparently "delusional" to think that druggy teens, like yourself, will ever match those feats/numbers of longevity/health and regular weight-training duration!?
But, it is a FACT that I lifted 155 lbs. over my bodyweight from the floor to overhead, unassisted, in an official weightlifting contest, as a totally drug-free teenager! THAT WAS/IS NO "DELUSION"!!
WHAT IS A DELUSION, however, is to think that either you, or any of the other "Squad Gang" members (shown below, at an illegal drug-using/drug-dealing/blowjob-trading party) will ever match my aforementioned feat of all-natural athletic strength!
And, that is EVEN WITH the considerable added artificial/cheating aid of BB drugs AND multi-ply support equipment/clothing to VERY UNFAIRLY inflate your natural strength (???)...and you/they STILL CAN'T officially lift 155 lbs. over your/their bodyweight from the floor to overhead, unassisted (???)...UTTERLY PATHETIC!!!
(http://nono.com/124H])
Photo of a bunch of druggy bench bump and curl "mirror athletes"
suck a dick old man...... I hope you have fun in bingo at the retirement home today
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Hahaha, "Dick2004"
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Translation: I am an uneducated internet STRAIGHT EDGE. No alcohol or pre-marital sex for me, so I go on the internet and preach the dangers of drugs and alcohol without knowing anything and backing up my arguments by attacking people rather than explaining my views.
In all seriousness, you asked a question and I answered truthfully. Way to attack me for it. Hahaha, I did ONE 8 week cycle of d-bol and winny and now I'm a know-it-all and lazy. Hahahaha, ok. You can keep your narrow mindedness intact for all I care. I don't really feel like defending moderate steroid use again right now.
I guess I was right.
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You can think whatever you want, pumpkin.
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Translation: I am too lazy to optimize my training routine, too big of a know-it-all to listen to experts and too undiciplined to adhere to a quality nutritional program....Now stop judging me!
Ok "OZZY" Im sure you have tapped out your natural genetic potential, and absolutely HAVE to take cycles to keep making progress ::)
Translation: I got way to much time on my hands and I have no life so I come on the net and tell people what to do with there lives.
You would get laughed right out of my gym if you came in there talking like that. You would fit in perfectly at Planet Fitness. Sign up now...its only ten bucks and you can roll on a ball, lift 5 lbs, not sweat and impress all the fat women in there with your 160lbs frame. Please >:( We don't need idiots like you to tell us what to do and how to train. You do realize there is a natural board on this forum, don't you? What concern is it of yours if we gas or not? Are you jealous or something? Bored?
PB
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Hahahahaha
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Translation: I got way to much time on my hands and I have no life so I come on the net and tell people what to do with there lives.
You would get laughed right out of my gym if you came in there talking like that. You would fit in perfectly at Planet Fitness. Sign up now...its only ten bucks and you can roll on a ball, lift 5 lbs, not sweat and impress all the fat women in there with your 160lbs frame. Please >:( We don't need idiots like you to tell us what to do and how to train. You do realize there is a natural board on this forum, don't you? What concern is it of yours if we gas or not? Are you jealous or something? Bored?
PB
Ok "Playboy" Im sure you and Ozzy have it all Figured out. LOL
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To each their own - personally I would probably be fulfilled just being big for a while - as a lark. It's not really for me though, but like I said, to each their own. I think it could be fun.
I've never seen the movie "V".
OK well then my question to you would be : DO you NEED AAS for " Just being big for a while"? Cant you do it with some supps and alot of red-meat/potatos?
You dont risk negative sides or a felony and your natural test levels dont plummit after u come off.
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OK well then my question to you would be : DO you NEED AAS for " Just being big for a while"? Cant you do it with some supps and alot of red-meat/potatos?
You dont risk negative sides or a felony and your natural test levels dont plummit after u come off.
do you argue with smokers, drinkers, and rec drug users this much ::)
I don't use any of them including steroids and I could care less why they do it
atleast you have something to gain while using steroids
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OK well then my question to you would be : DO you NEED AAS for " Just being big for a while"? Cant you do it with some supps and alot of red-meat/potatos?
You dont risk negative sides or a felony and your natural test levels dont plummit after u come off.
And once again, IS IT ANY OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS ??? ??? ??? Who died and put the Lord's work in your hands that you think you can decide whats morally right and wrong? Do you hear any of us telling you what to do with your life?
PB
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Yea but when u come off cycle you lose what ever you gained. SO its VERY short lived.
Still worth it?
That's why you never come off .... Or at least employ a 3 years on, two months off strategy.
HARDCORE!!