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ok i cant see any good reason AT ALL for why exactly we give so much support to israel. all our relationship with that 'country' does us is HARM.
the NUMBER ONE reason why all the middle east hates us is cause we support Israel so strongly.
alot of the middle east may be barbaric, but why exactly do teh jewbagels get to show up out of the blue and say 'all right this is ours now, get off 'our' land, or we will kill you'. i fully understand the arabs' anger towards them and dont get why we assign them so much legitimacy and say israel 'has a right to exist'
WHY exactly ::) because the west feels guilty about the holocaust thats why ::)
it seems to me like we defend them so fiercly only because the jews have so much political clout and money and influence. there is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for our staunch support of them. all it does is make us millions of enemies who make it their lives goal to kill us.
the only way we are going to get the radical islam monkey off our backs is this: pull all our forces out of iraq and afghanistan(why should we be involved in what they do if all they want to do is kill each other-let them settle things for themselves) and then we should ATTACK ISRAEL and wipe their illigitmate little 'state' off the map. guarenteed there would be no more muslims attacking our country.
the core of ALL out middle east problems, at the very basic level, is not afghanistan, or iraq, or iran even, its ISRAEL
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Most powerful PAC in America. They get something like $100 in US aid for every $1 donated.
Why do you think camaign finance reform was killed?
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Ron's yamaka has fell off due to his rage at this thread.
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remember on the southpark movie when that US diplomat stood up at the conference, looked around, adjusted his tie, and said simply, 'fuck canada'??
thats what we need, a strong, rational president to get up and say 'enough is enough, fuck israel iran do what you want with them'
'THEY'RE NOT A REAL COUNTRY ANYWAY'
hahahhaha
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haha still no one can come up with a good reason.
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All the important departments of my school:
Accounting
Economics
Philosophy
English
ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE JEWS.. :o
Small, but probably the single most powerful unorganized lobby in America.
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haha still no one can come up with a good reason.
Because they're atop the apex, silly.
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Ron's yamaka has fell off due to his rage at this thread.
Now that was funny. ;D ;D ;D
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JM,
BTW, not supporting Israel automatically makes you an anti-semite. :)
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Sorry, saying "fuck Israel" and "Iran, do whatever you want with them" is fucking retarded.
Believe it or not a lot of good technology comes out of Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole creation of Israel is a western invention just to develop military might. The amount of military innovations coming out of Israel is absurd!
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yawn at israel
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"Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."
Lemme put it this way: A lot of jews have A LOT of power and money. Hence they can dictate what the US government should do. The vast majority of jews want a strang nation of Israel. That's why they want money flowing from US to Israel.
You have another powerfull lobby in the USA: the weapon lobby. US sells A LOT of guns to Israel at a cheap price. So basically americans are paying for Israeli weapons. Of course the surrounding countries don't wanna appear weak so they also buy a lot of weapons (mostly from the US).
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intenational aid disgusts me... let them clean up their own shit
of course i live in canada where half of my income pays for poor people to sit around and watch tv all day :P
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"Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."
exactly its bullshit, we give shitloads of money to a nation not even in need, defend them morally and with military backing, and get absolutely NO BENEFIT but in fact HARM from the relationship.
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exactly its bullshit, we give shitloads of money to a nation not even in need, defend them morally and with military backing, and get absolutely NO BENEFIT but in fact HARM from the relationship.
AND THEN you wonder why the arabs hate you
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exactly its bullshit, we give shitloads of money to a nation not even in need, defend them morally and with military backing, and get absolutely NO BENEFIT but in fact HARM from the relationship.
AND THEN you wonder why the arabs hate you
Agree with both of you......
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you need a good read on zionism, berserker has some good reads but they're pretty much beyond my comprehension ;D
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Agree with both of you......
beautiful and smart.... :)
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Jews do a lot for this country..
Not saying we should give them our shit, but jews are a huge part of NYC(and greater american) and they've certainly done me no harm on a direct level.
Stop bitching, get educated and out into the workforce and try to make a difference. That's all you can do.
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get educated [/b] and out into the workforce and try to make a difference. That's all your can do.
get spellcheck ::) ::) ::)
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get spellcheck ::) ::) ::)
Would still fuck up because I've been drinking some cheapass australian redwine named Black Swan or something.. hahahaha
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Would still fuck up because I've been drinking some cheapass australian redwine named Black Swan or something.. hahahaha
get more wine :)
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AND THEN you wonder why the arabs hate you
i dont wonder at all why they hate us
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AND THEN you wonder why the arabs hate you
Yeah the only reason is Israel ::)
you need a good read on zionism, berserker has some good reads but they're pretty much beyond my comprehension ;D
Oh look, a moslem spouting shite about Zionism ::)
Lot's of intelligence showing in this thread folks!
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I believe some of you are vastly underestimating the power that Jews truly have. I am not one of those that believe wholly in a form of ZOG(Zionist-Occupied-Government), but this particular group of people have their hands in just about every major industry, media enterprise and government bureacracy. As for Israel having the strongest lobbying group, this is true, and is one of the strongest reasons we are in Iraq and continue the sabre-rattling towards Iran and Syria. Sen. Joe Liebermann is a prime example of this(a man who serves the US as his #2), as well as Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff who holds dual Israeli-US citizenships. However, on the flip-side of things, there are many more Jews as Democrats than Republicans, and almost all of them oppose the current war, people like Dianne FEinstein, Barbara Boxer, Carl Levin, Chucky Schumer, Russ Feingold, and Bernie Sanders. That right there is just on the political side of things.
In our Entertainment sector, nearly all major media enterprises are owned and controlled by someone Jewish. Lawrence Tisch of CBS, Michael Eisner of Walt Disney, Inc., Gerald Levin, CEO of Time Warner, Summer Redstone(real name Murray Rothstein) heads up Viacom, and Michael SChulhof heads up Sony Entertainment of America. The only real big non-Jewish media owner of today is Rupert Murdoch. However, Mr. Murdoch is a very close friend of former Israeli PM Ariel Sharon.
Pornography? Entirely run by Jews. Entirely. Al Goldstein, owner of the now-defunct Screw magazine, said it best in his famous quote "The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism." The Godfather of Porn, Reuben Sturman was thought to be the man who WAS the industry.
It is rather obvious(or maybe not) that many, if not the overwhelming majority, of those outside the political spectrum(and outside the Republicans and Neo-Cons), do not seem to give a damn what happens to Israel. Instead, if one was not aware of the fearful branding of "anti-semite" to one's name, you would almost think they were working diligently to undermine the values that make up what is Western Civilization. But why? Is there a better alternative for these powerful Jewish folks than the very civilization that made them rich in the first place? Is not the ever-spreadening of Islamic Extremism and rampant anti-semitism enough to make them think about what they do? Are they that arrogant?
BTW, I do support Israel and its people and believe that the people there deserve to live without the threat of being blown up or attacked by their neighbors and their immigrant residents. From numerous talks I've had with "Lesser Jews"(a term coined by secularist "True-Blue Jews"), there is a general sense that they are not being truly served by those who represent them and only further endanger the populace there. IMHO, I always thought Israel should have had its home placed in the northern section of South America, but that was an impossibility.
I always liked discussing this topic, but, unfortunately, at the school I go to, discussions like this are not exactly encouraged.
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I thought that the other option for "Zion" was in Argentine?
You are right JBGRAY, as soon as you touch the subject people are shocked. While there is often blatant racism here and nobody flinches...
What do you think about this statement. I heard it from a dutch jewish writer. He basically said that it was Hitler's biggest mistake to fight the jews. What happened was the jews with money and power left the country, taking away their brains, wealth and craftsmanship. While the germans basically had to put in effort to search for and get rid of the rest. He claimed that jews have a strong nationalistic side, and that jewish culture is very inclined to fascism. (In italy 1/3 of the jews joined Mussolini's fascist party.)
The atom bomb in WW2 was mainly built by European scientists who had fled, quite often jewish (e.g. Einstein).
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BTW, I do support Israel and its people and believe that the people there deserve to live without the threat of being blown up or attacked by their neighbors and their immigrant residents.
why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.
haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)
thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.
the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple
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why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.
haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)
thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.
the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple
I looooooooooove this post. Great post :-*
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I looooooooooove this post. Great post :-*
and completely factually inaccurate.
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why do they have this 'right'? thats western hypocrisy at its best.
haha what if millions of native americans showed up one day on the west coast and said 'all right california belongs to us now, being our ancestral homeland, get out heathen christians and americans' . what if they proceeded to attack, displace, and kill anyone who was living there already? would america recognize their 'right' to exist ::)
thats exactly what the Israelis did, they just showed up by the millions all of a sudden in 1948 i think it was and simply ran out or killed all the people who already had been living there for generations, claimed the territory as their own and made it a state then demanded 'recognition' and 'legitimacy'.
the west allowed this to happen and sympathized with the jews at the expense of the people already living there just because they felt guilty about the holocaust plain and simple
But it's been like 50+ years.. Israel exists, accept it already.
The jews are on top and there's not a damn thing to be done about it. We can't go chucking them into camps, but we can try and get on par. That's the only real way to bring about real change.
and completely factually inaccurate.
Bring about the facts, Al.
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and completely factually inaccurate.
I still liked it though! Perhaps I am simply easily pleased and need to raise standards or something! :D
Seriously, plz feel free to post what you feel is inaccurate in it. Not a 'challenge', I am genuinely interested.
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and completely factually inaccurate.
straighten things up for me i wanna know
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I'll try to do it briefly. at the turn of the 20th c there was a jewish minority in the area now known as israel . . . they were subjected to repeated attacks by the majority arab population, but they hung in there. At this time, ottomans (turks) still ruled, so muslims were favored.
after WWI, the ottomans lost palestine, and the british took it over. they allowed some jewish migration, but mostly tried to prevent it. however, in the 1930s, thanks to the germans and their pals, many more jews began to arrive. the creation of a jewish state cannot be separated from german (and russian) persecution, and apathy on the part of the western europe (although powerful jews like the rothschilds were able to provide some relief). no (or even lesser) persecution would have meant that zionism would not have become as dominant as it has among the jewish peoples.
in any case, the british decided shortly after WWII that they were going to leave palestine. they wanted to split it up into a jewish state and an arab state (sorta like splitting india up into india and pakistan along religious lines). the jews were willing to split palestine up, but the arabs would have none of that . . . and lots of violence erupted. once the british left, the arabs thought they would just kill all the jews in israel . . . they tried . . . and we all know how that story ended for those sorry bastards.
so
1. It's not like modern americans and indians. the arabs were not sovereign b/c they didn't have the brains or balls to be . .
2. they could have had an arab state from the beginning, but they were too greedy.
3. they tried to kill the jews off, but they failed miserably.
4. then they sorta got what was coming to them for being generally incompetent.
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How much could we have done for our own citizens with the money we're given them and loans forgiven over the last 20 years?
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Israel will always be a politically incorrect state to support, but I support it.
The Israelis speak a language the Arabs understand ( you send a rocket into Israel and we send a shell back) and that seems to piss a lot of the armchair politicians off.
Remember Destruction of the state of Israel is still written into the constitution of most Arab states.
Survival is more important to them than what is spoken by a bunch of toffee noses with all their airs and graces at a dinner table.
Sorta like in the Nam war it was better to be politically correct and have American soldiers die that take the bull by the horns and get victory.
And just remember there are lots and lots of "Arabs Israels" being formed around the world in Africa, America, England, Europe that is politically correct to turn a blind eye to LOL.
Politically correct is not always morally correct or the right thing.
Politically correct just means the social flavour of the month to support.
It is often harder to the right thing.
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The above post is genius. Can any of you stupid liberal apologists obsessed with morality refute his points?
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I'm not saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Merely that we aren't obligated to pay for it's support. The money we've given them is sickening, considering there are still poor people in our own country. Most of our homeless are veterans and we're sending money overseas because one country's offspring has hijacked the political process. The ugly mix of a shared religious mythology and being continally reminded of the holocaust has blinded us on this matter.
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ok i cant see any good reason AT ALL for why exactly we give so much support to israel. all our relationship with that 'country' does us is HARM.
the NUMBER ONE reason why all the middle east hates us is cause we support Israel so strongly.
alot of the middle east may be barbaric, but why exactly do teh jewbagels get to show up out of the blue and say 'all right this is ours now, get off 'our' land, or we will kill you'. i fully understand the arabs' anger towards them and dont get why we assign them so much legitimacy and say israel 'has a right to exist'
WHY exactly ::) because the west feels guilty about the holocaust thats why ::)
it seems to me like we defend them so fiercly only because the jews have so much political clout and money and influence. there is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for our staunch support of them. all it does is make us millions of enemies who make it their lives goal to kill us.
the only way we are going to get the radical islam monkey off our backs is this: pull all our forces out of iraq and afghanistan(why should we be involved in what they do if all they want to do is kill each other-let them settle things for themselves) and then we should ATTACK ISRAEL and wipe their illigitmate little 'state' off the map. guarenteed there would be no more muslims attacking our country.
the core of ALL out middle east problems, at the very basic level, is not afghanistan, or iraq, or iran even, its ISRAEL
Ok, so you have a need to prove how ignorant little piece of nazi crap you are, and you finally find a perfect way to do that? Congratulations for your accomplishment, you stupid shit. Why don't you pull your head out from your ass, and look a round, and then think hard: Israel & Jews are a same. Jews owns about half of your country, they are employees, they own property, they do business which make your country going on, so what happens when you fu*ck with Israel? You fu*ck your own ass, because Jews would take their business, their investments, all their money and leave you monkeys wonder what the hell happened, while your nation goes to bankrupt. Then you have no Jews, no beaners, no slaves, no one but you to do all the work for you, and that is situation which you have never seen. Your country goes broke and it will be sold to russians or north koreans, whose ever is willing to pay something, get's it. Do you even know how much of your money belongs to foreign countries? Jews, Arabs, Asians etc. own most of your business, so you really don't want to hassle with them ;D
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Yeah the only reason is Israel ::)
One of the biggest reasons, I see you're in denial trying to see the whole picture here.
Oh look, a moslem spouting shite about Zionism ::)
Where? Do you favor zionism?
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Ok, so you have a need to prove how ignorant little piece of nazi crap you are, and you finally find a perfect way to do that? Congratulations for your accomplishment, you stupid shit. Why don't you pull your head out from your ass, and look a round, and then think hard: Israel & Jews are a same. Jews owns about half of your country, they are employees, they own property, they do business which make your country going on, so what happens when you fu*ck with Israel? You fu*ck your own ass, because Jews would take their business, their investments, all their money and leave you monkeys wonder what the hell happened, while your nation goes to bankrupt. Then you have no Jews, no beaners, no slaves, no one but you to do all the work for you, and that is situation which you have never seen. Your country goes broke and it will be sold to russians or north koreans, whose ever is willing to pay something, get's it. Do you even know how much of your money belongs to foreign countries? Jews, Arabs, Asians etc. own most of your business, so you really don't want to hassle with them ;D
so questioning why the US supports israel despite recieving only harm from the relationship makes me a Nazi ::)
typical response from the pro-israel morons
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so questioning why the US supports israel despite recieving only harm from the relationship makes me a Nazi ::)
typical response from the pro-israel morons
If you're going to be that naive about the relationship w Israel, then you're either being willfully ignorant or just stupid . . .
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If you're going to be that naive about the relationship w Israel, then you're either being willfully ignorant or just stupid . . .
so what is this incredibly valuable thing that we get from them, that is worth the millions of fanatics who will stop at nothing to kill americans that our relationship with them creates?
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Too many americans in positions of high power are jews.. And yes, it's that simple.
That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.
JohnMatrix's questions are legit, but several people have answered already.
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ok i cant see any good reason AT ALL for why exactly we give so much support to israel. all our relationship with that 'country' does us is HARM.
the NUMBER ONE reason why all the middle east hates us is cause we support Israel so strongly.
alot of the middle east may be barbaric, but why exactly do teh jewbagels get to show up out of the blue and say 'all right this is ours now, get off 'our' land, or we will kill you'. i fully understand the arabs' anger towards them and dont get why we assign them so much legitimacy and say israel 'has a right to exist'
WHY exactly ::) because the west feels guilty about the holocaust thats why ::)
it seems to me like we defend them so fiercly only because the jews have so much political clout and money and influence. there is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for our staunch support of them. all it does is make us millions of enemies who make it their lives goal to kill us.
the only way we are going to get the radical islam monkey off our backs is this: pull all our forces out of iraq and afghanistan(why should we be involved in what they do if all they want to do is kill each other-let them settle things for themselves) and then we should ATTACK ISRAEL and wipe their illigitmate little 'state' off the map. guarenteed there would be no more muslims attacking our country.
the core of ALL out middle east problems, at the very basic level, is not afghanistan, or iraq, or iran even, its ISRAEL
post of the century, couldn't agree more.
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Too many americans in positions of high power are jews.. And yes, it's that simple.
That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.
JohnMatrix's questions are legit, but several people have answered already.
What favoritism do blacks get?
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What favoritism do blacks get?
yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.
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yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.
Blues, jazz, art, black on blond porn, etc... I see what you mean.
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That's why I'd never vote for Obama.. He'd give more favortism to black people than they already recieve.
This is why I highly doubt I see an ethnic descent president of the USA in my lifetime. When white men are running they are simply seen as men, as candidates. When a man who is also running, but simply is a different color - he is not judged on his merits many times - he is being judged on his skin. I find it incredibly sad, sitting where I am, all the media coverage of the mans skin color. It's 2007 - and the most I hear about Obama is his race, not his policies. I notice that I don't hear many news reports about Edwards/Rudy/Thompson and being caucasian, but Obama can barely be covered without it being said he is black. Notable to me as here the people's policies are covered, not their race.
Unless some party rolls a canditate who is bright pink with purple stripes, I can't really see why such a big deal is made.
PS: Thanks for your post Al-Gebra.
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One of the biggest reasons, I see you're in denial trying to see the whole picture here.
Where? Do you favor zionism?
Yeah I favour Zionism (Israel) over murderous islamic facism (saudi, iran, palest (hamas)).
Would you prefer your finger broken or your hand cut off?
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yeah, even if they did receive any favoritism, it would be merited . . . for their numerous contributions to civilization.
Under Western civilization philosophies and management. Blacks wouldn't have invented the egg beater, the elevator, or the lawn sprinkler without the nation they lived in being under European ideology. The only exception I can think of off the top of my hand is small pox inoculation which was used for many years in Africa before there was any European contact.
All I am saying is race doesn't have much to do with it in as much as the type of civilization that is in place. I do not see these inventions being invented in Africa at the time.
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Under Western civilization philosophies and management. Blacks wouldn't have invented the egg beater, the elevator, or the lawn sprinkler without the nation they lived in being under European ideology. The only exception I can think of off the top of my hand is small pox inoculation which was used for many years in Africa before there was any European contact.
All I am saying is race doesn't have much to do with it in as much as the type of civilization that is in place. I do not see these inventions being invented in Africa at the time.
you do realize that i was being sarcastic? . . . just got a little tired of people whining about how the money could be better used and that supporting israel made no sense.
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you do realize that i was being sarcastic? . . . just got a little tired of people whining about how the money could be better used and that supporting Israel made no sense.
You honestly believe Israel is more of a priority than national health insurance, new school books, college for middle class kids, etc...? There are a ton of ways that money could be better spent at home. They are essentially on permanant welfare and probably the biggest pork-barrell thing going.
Had a long discussion with a close friend on this subject and he admitted looking at the world (in all matters) as a Jew first. Therefore he believes, as a Jew, that the US should do whatever is necessary for Israel because God made a covenant with his chosen people promising them the land. When I mentioned putting it to a vote, he responded that the people aren't knowledgeable enough to know what they're voting on and would make the wrong decision for Israel.
A lot of the neo-cons believe supporting Israel is supporting God's covenant. Mixing religion and politics is always a bad thing.
The "only friend in the Middle East" reason for dumping money over there is 70-80% pure bull. If that's true, we should get cheaper friends.
We support Israel because no one could get/stay elected without promising to send money over there, period. It's the exact reason why the Cuban embargo is unlikely to end anytime soon. Someone getting elected without the votes from Florida, Jersey and the other state with a bunch of Cuban ex-pat descendants is impossible.
Our political process has been corrupted by special intrest groups like this and the whores we call politicians can't make policies in the country's overall best intrest.
The extent to which supporting Israel, or not, is to the benefit of US citizens will never be known. Why? Because we don't have any choice.
One thing that offends me is dishonesty.
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You honestly believe Israel is more of a priority than national health insurance, new school books, college for middle class kids, etc...? There are a ton of ways that money could be better spent at home. They are essentially on permanant welfare and probably the biggest pork-barrell thing going.
Had a long discussion with a close friend on this subject and he admitted looking at the world (in all matters) as a Jew first. Therefore he believes, as a Jew, that the US should do whatever is necessary for Israel because God made a covenant with his chosen people promising them the land. When I mentioned putting it to a vote, he responded that the people aren't knowledgeable enough to know what they're voting on and would make the wrong decision for Israel.
A lot of the neo-cons believe supporting Israel is supporting God's covenant. Mixing religion and politics is always a bad thing.
The "only friend in the Middle East" reason for dumping money over there is 70-80% pure bull. If that's true, we should get cheaper friends.
We support Israel because no one could get/stay elected without promising to send money over there, period. It's the exact reason why the Cuban embargo is unlikely to end anytime soon. Someone getting elected without the votes from Florida, Jersey and the other state with a bunch of Cuban ex-pat descendants is impossible.
Our political process has been corrupted by special intrest groups like this and the whores we call politicians can't make policies in the country's overall best intrest.
The extent to which supporting Israel, or not, is to the benefit of US citizens will never be known. Why? Because we don't have any choice.
One thing that offends me is dishonesty.
awesome post. tell us algebra why you feel immense support of israel is so necessary for the united states of america?
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Yeah I favour Zionism (Israel) over murderous islamic facism (saudi, iran, palest (hamas)).
Would you prefer your finger broken or your hand cut off?
You have no clue what you are talking about. Oh manni old manni, when will you ever change? I'm sorry I even replied to you.
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This is why I highly doubt I see an ethnic descent president of the USA in my lifetime. When white men are running they are simply seen as men, as candidates. When a man who is also running, but simply is a different color - he is not judged on his merits many times - he is being judged on his skin. I find it incredibly sad, sitting where I am, all the media coverage of the mans skin color. It's 2007 - and the most I hear about Obama is his race, not his policies. I notice that I don't hear many news reports about Edwards/Rudy/Thompson and being caucasian, but Obama can barely be covered without it being said he is black. Notable to me as here the people's policies are covered, not their race.
Unless some party rolls a canditate who is bright pink with purple stripes, I can't really see why such a big deal is made.
PS: Thanks for your post Al-Gebra.
Obama uses his race as a means of winning supporters. He said he was black because he didn't couldn't catch a cab in NYC or something along those lines.. Actually, he'd have a better of catching a taxi in NYC than anywhere in America due to the strict regulations. But no one dared to call out Obama on these comments..
Yeah, it's okay to peg NYC cabbies and limo drivers as racist.. Perfectly okay when you're black. Perfectly okay to belittle bluecollar working men, who drive 50 hours a week with no benefits. I don't think he'd dare be critical of the MTA in the same fashion.
I don't think Obama would actually got out of his way to give favortism to blacks if he were to be elected; rather it would be pressure from disgruntled blacks who think they're entitled to everything.. You KNOW, people like Al Sharpton and others.
We stopped giving to Israel.. Think what would happen.. A large pool, but select part of our workforce who are jews would be pissed. It would hurt our economy. Don't hack off a portion of the apex, you idiots.
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We stopped giving to Israel.. Think what would happen.. A large pool, but select part of our workforce who are jews would be pissed. It would hurt our economy. Don't hack off a portion of the apex, you idiots.
well, at least some people on here are using their brains . . . we scratch the backs of those who scratch ours . . . and if there's some more back-scratching left, we'll scratch the backs of those who have no limbs.
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well, at least some people on here are using their brains . . . we scratch the backs of those who scratch ours . . . and if there's some more back-scratching left, we'll scratch the backs of those who have no limbs.
You are not at all surprised that I have adopted this approach of thinking?? Have you seen other bengalis like myself? If yes, then don't reply.
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You are not at all surprised that I have adopted this approach of thinking?? Have you seen other bengalis like myself? If yes, then don't reply.
it's a prudent way of thinking . . . and no, I haven't met many bengalis, so I can't really answer. is ghosh a bengal name? If it is, the guy was the biggest douche i have ever met. FOB.
I'm not opposed to helping out Americans. I just don't get our resident foreign policy geniuses' binary approach.
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it's a prudent way of thinking .
Adopted after I read about Milton Friendman and his libertarian ideals.. Seemed like the perfect political philosophy, and everything else in my head just sort of contoured into my own ideals based on Friedman's philosophy, weird, but this style of thinking isn't politically correct. A year ago, I would have been attacking you and backing John Matrix, but now I can't mind myself doing that.
I have his book Free to Choose on PDF, but too lazy..
ps, reading about John Locke changed me too.
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well, at least some people on here are using their brains . . . we scratch the backs of those who scratch ours . . . and if there's some more back-scratching left, we'll scratch the backs of those who have no limbs.
What unadultereted bullshit, LOL!
Like I wrote, the discussion is pointless because the American public has no choice due to the way the political process is structured. If pork like Israel or the war went to a referendum it would be all over.
Our policies should put America first.
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What unadultereted bullshit, LOL!
Like I wrote, the discussion is pointless because the American public has no choice due to the way the political process is structured. If pork like Israel or the war went to a referendum it would be all over.
Our policies should put America first.
if you're going to use a polysyllabic word, at least spell it right: unadulterAted.
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if you're going to use a polysyllabic word, at least spell it right: unadulterAted.
Did I mention your dumbassedsness today? :)
I guess criticizing spelling (in lieu of arguments) is all you have left on this matter.
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What unadultereted bullshit, LOL!
Like I wrote, the discussion is pointless because the American public has no choice due to the way the political process is structured. If pork like Israel or the war went to a referendum it would be all over.
Our policies should put America first.
Structured so that it's merit based.. You know how to change a merit based society?
Not saying they're superior, but they are certainly on top and think about knocking them off instead of bitching like a limp dicked pansy.
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Structured so that it's merit based.. You know how to change a merit based society?
Not saying they're superior, but they are certainly on top and think about knocking them off instead of bitching like a limp dicked pansy.
Why are you suggesting knocking off Jews. :)
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Why are you suggesting knocking off Jews. :)
Yes, by better and improving our own kind. That is the only real solution.
I belittle idiots who think driving cab = the height of civilization..
You should do the same with the hip-hop clowns, unless you are one yourself, which in that case you should pump a shotgun shell into your cranium.
The valium and wine is dragging me down.. I cannot continue much longer.
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Did I mention your dumbassedsness today? :)
I guess criticizing spelling (in lieu of arguments) is all you have left on this matter.
perhaps your unwillingness to see any pov other than your own is influencing my responses.
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perhaps your unwillingness to see any pov other than your own is influencing my responses.
All I want is a logical, non-religious reason for our unflagging financial support. Surely someone can do that without calling suggesting I'm ignorant or an anti-semite. Since we apparently have no choice, I'd kind of like a rational reason. The equivalent to an intellectual reach around. :)
I'm against all outside spending with the exception of disaster aid and whatever international welfare level that keeps immigration to a minimum.... but that's it.
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Al-gebra isnt american? ???
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All I want is a logical, non-religious reason for our unflagging financial support. Surely someone can do that without calling suggesting I'm ignorant or an anti-semite. Since we apparently have no choice, I'd kind of like a rational reason. The equivalent to an intellectual reach around. :)
I'm against all outside spending with the exception of disaster aid and whatever international welfare level that keeps immigration to a minimum.... but that's it.
you leave yourself open to being called an anti-semite/ignorant when you spend pages talking about how much aid our govt has given Israel and how terrible that is . . . while not mentioning other aid programs our govt is involved in. And insisting that aid to Israel be cut off so that we can do other things . . . Do you know how much aid we give S. Arabia? Do you know the size of our annual budget in relation to the amount of aid Israel has received over the 60 years of its existence? Do you know that it's possible for the govt to give aid to more than one party at a time? You act like the money came out of some inner city kid's pocket and went into some israeli's pocket.
oh, and please don't bring in off-the-books aid as some do . . . that's like saying Santa Claus delivered more toys to jewish kids.
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hahahahaha . . . i just read the last two lines of your post.
what century are you living in?
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you leave yourself open to being called an anti-semite/ignorant when you spend pages talking about how much aid our govt has given Israel and how terrible that is . . . while not mentioning other aid programs our govt is involved in. And insisting that aid to Israel be cut off so that we can do other things . . . Do you know how much aid we give S. Arabia? Do you know the size of our annual budget in relation to the amount of aid Israel has received over the 60 years of its existence? Do you know that it's possible for the govt to give aid to more than one party at a time? You act like the money came out of some inner city kid's pocket and went into some israeli's pocket.
oh, and please don't bring in off-the-books aid as some do . . . that's like saying Santa Claus delivered more toys to jewish kids.
So you don't have a reason.
Any other takers?
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So you don't have a reason.
Any other takers?
how do you reason w a chiropractor who apparently knows more than people who work on foreign policy? ???
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how do you reason w a chiropractor who apparently knows more than people who work on foreign policy? ???
Attacking my credentials is a great idea but not a reason.
You're sooooo much smarter than me it's a true surprise you can't provide a logical reason.
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Is there a rational, self-interested reason to support Israel to the extent we do? (in other words, do we get anything out of it?) No.
Why do we do it? Because there are more Jews in the US than in Israel, and as mentioned numerous times, they tend to be very politically connected. Our support of Israel will not be changing anytime soon.
But is this the root of our problems with the Muslims? Actually, no... it's just the excuse. Our issues are the result of a clash of cultures. They're still living with a theocratic mindset that more properly belongs in the middle ages than it does in the 21st century. Our culture and way of life is simply incompatible with theirs. And in our interconnected world, with American-dominated multinationals leaving our cultural footprints everywhere, they will always see us as a threat to their way of life, the "great satan" if you will. We could leave Iraq and Afghanistan, and withdraw all aid to Israel tomorrow, and our relations with these people would not improve much in the long term.
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Is there a rational, self-interested reason to support Israel to the extent we do? (in other words, do we get anything out of it?) No.
Why do we do it? Because there are more Jews in the US than in Israel, and as mentioned numerous times, they tend to be very politically connected. Our support of Israel will not be changing anytime soon.
But is this the root of our problems with the Muslims? Actually, no... it's just the excuse. Our issues are the result of a clash of cultures. They're still living with a theocratic mindset that more properly belongs in the middle ages than it does in the 21st century. Our culture and way of life is simply incompatible with theirs. And in our interconnected world, with American-dominated multinationals leaving our cultural footprints everywhere, they will always see us as a threat to their way of life, the "great satan" if you will. We could leave Iraq and Afghanistan, and withdraw all aid to Israel tomorrow, and our relations with these people would not improve much in the long term.
Big time post.
As far as the aid, you guys aren't reading between the lines. The "aid" given to Israel has to be used for weapons, as does the aid given to Egypt. From whom do you think they buy those weapons? It's really just a backdoor kickback to American weapons manufacturers. That's who ends up with the money, and, from what I understand, those folks have lobbyists, too.
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Is there a rational, self-interested reason to support Israel to the extent we do? (in other words, do we get anything out of it?) No.
Nice authoritative tone . . . but even a marginal amount of research would show this supposition to be wrong.
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Nice authoritative tone . . . but even a marginal amount of research would show this supposition to be wrong.
Since we have no choice, we should at least have a reason.
Again, someone challenged you and instead being provided an answer they were called ignorant. So, anyone who doesn't support Israel unflaggingly is ignorant? LOL! A proponent of the policy should have no difficulty explaining to us simple, ignorant, misspelling folk why this policy makes sense for Americans. Not a religious reason either! :)
If the reason is that simple, please explain it to us. :)
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Since we have no choice, we should at least have a reason.
Again, someone challenged you and instead being provided an answer they were called ignorant. So, anyone who doesn't support Israel unflaggingly is ignorant? LOL! A proponent of the policy should have no difficulty explaining to us simple, ignorant, misspelling folk why this policy makes sense for Americans. Not a religious reason either! :)
If the reason is that simple, please explain it to us. :)
you know what's really great about this whole deal?
not having to justify any of this to people like you . . . ;D
the founding fathers really were on to something.
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But is this the root of our problems with the Muslims? Actually, no... it's just the excuse. Our issues are the result of a clash of cultures. They're still living with a theocratic mindset that more properly belongs in the middle ages than it does in the 21st century. Our culture and way of life is simply incompatible with theirs. And in our interconnected world, with American-dominated multinationals leaving our cultural footprints everywhere, they will always see us as a threat to their way of life, the "great satan" if you will. We could leave Iraq and Afghanistan, and withdraw all aid to Israel tomorrow, and our relations with these people would not improve much in the long term.
this is not entirely true though; the reason they focus on us, and try to physically attack us so much, is because we are the ones holding up israel. they may be against our ideals and preach against it, but the reason they try to actually harm us is because of us helping israel harm 'them'.
countries like france, denmark, australia, canada, etc. are no different than us morally or in their way of life yet they make no effort to attack them. if it was just the culture they hated so much then they would be focusing all their attention on some place like amsterdam lol.
sure they hate the western way of life but the thing that takes it to the next level and makes them actively try to harm us is our sponsorship of israel.
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you know what's really great about this whole deal?
not having to justify any of this to people like you . . . ;D
the founding fathers really were on to something.
LOFL!!!
Now all you have left is race.
Al,
Please go find someone who can give us a concise, nonreligious reason on this matter or tell the truth. I respect you quite a bit and usually enjoy your opinions on things, but this is getting embarrassing.
In case you can't do that... feel free to insult the other races (Portuguese & Native America) that are part of my mix. :)
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LOFL!!!
Now all you have left is race.
Al,
Please go find someone who can give us a concise, nonreligious reason on this matter or tell the truth. I respect you quite a bit and usually enjoy your opinions on things, but this is getting embarrassing.
In case you can't do that... feel free to insult the other races (Portuguese & Native America) that are part of my mix. :)
race ??? How did you get race out of a post alluding to representative democracy?
a little overeager to play the race card, aren't we?
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a little overeager to play the race card, aren't we?
Of course he is. It's his Ace in the deck.
drkaje is a flat out racist.
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you know what's really great about this whole deal?
not having to justify any of this to people like you . . . ;D
the founding fathers really were on to something.
Nordic track,
It's pretty obvious the 'people like you' referred to blacks and the 'founding fathers were really on to something' was a reference to slavery. :) It sucks that he couldn't deliver the same level of cleverness (for lack of a better word) to giving me a simple answer.
That being said, I still await that nonreligious reason.
I do find it funny you can pick posts about for spelling, grammar, etc... but ignore every request for a simple reason. Either you can't give one or those of us who disagree with you are correct. I appreciate that you must have taken a rhetoric class in college, LOL! But that still doesn't excuse not having an answer.
Funny how offended people get when the US is called an extension of Israel but conversations like these make it pretty easy to see why the perception exists.
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You're a goddamn RACIST!
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Nordic track,
It's pretty obvious the 'people like you' referred to blacks and the 'founding fathers were really on to something' was a reference to slavery. :)
since you're going to put words in my mouth, why don't you just go ahead and supply the rest of the argmt yourself?
And, it's sad to see that your knowledge of history is roughly on par w your knowledge of foreign affairs.
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hahaha still no one has explained why its so important for us to support israel. the great positive thing we derive from our relationship with them, supposedly so crucial, remains a mystery as well
::)
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Is there a rational, self-interested reason to support Israel to the extent we do? (in other words, do we get anything out of it?) No.
A small, but very talented part of out workforce is jewish.. Of course we get something out of it.
haha still no one has explained why its so important for us to support israel. the great positive thing we derive from our relationship with them, supposedly so crucial, remains a mystery as well
I've answered you numerous times.
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hahaha still no one has explained why its so important for us to support israel. the great positive thing we derive from our relationship with them, supposedly so crucial, remains a mystery as well
::)
Forget about it, LOL! You're never going to get an honest answer on this subject. Al has managed to bore the crap out of me with stupid non-answers to the point of not caring too much. It is sad that the topic is taboo, especially considering that this particular country will likely be siphoning funds off the US forever.
Just look at is as reparations. :)
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Forget about it, LOL! You're never going to get an honest answer on this subject. Al has managed to bore the crap out of me with stupid non-answers to the point of not caring too much. It is sad that the topic is taboo, especially considering that this particular country will likely be siphoning funds off the US forever.
Just look at is as reparations. :)
Hey..
Why not the same passion about affirmative action?
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hahaha still no one has explained why its so important for us to support israel. the great positive thing we derive from our relationship with them, supposedly so crucial, remains a mystery as well
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Military technology and a test bed for that technology. Aided and justified by the fanatical muslims of that part of the world.
Huge financial and political sway from the US populace of Jews.
End of discussion. Agree or refute.
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I'd like to beat Nigella Lawson around the face with my erect penis.
That's why I support Israel.
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Hey..
Why not the same passion about affirmative action?
Affirmative action doesn't work. It's more or less about politics but the number of lives it really affects is debatable. Obviously we're not talking about political appointees.. but even if we were does Gonzales being AG really change a thing for Mexicans as a group in the US?
In a perfect world investing in raising the education level of Americans would be best but that's probably not realistic. Even if it could be done growing the economy fast enough for those same better educated people to have serious opportunity might not be doable.
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A small, but very talented part of out workforce is jewish.. Of course we get something out of it.
I've answered you numerous times.
so the 'good' that we get out of it is....simply keeping a small jewish elite happy? this is what you guys are saying is so important? you honestly believe that keeping these said jews happy is important enough to continue our extremely harmful support of israel?
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so the 'good' that we get out of it is....simply keeping a small jewish elite happy? this is what you guys are saying is so important? you honestly believe that keeping these said jews happy is important enough to continue our extremely harmful support of israel?
John, it's obvious we're too ignorant to understand that the US is obligated to fulfill God's covenant with the Jews at any cost. To believe anything else is anti-semetic, LOL!
Let's both just STFU about this before one of these idiots starts quoting the diary of Anne Frank or The Night and makes us feel guilty. That will happen long before one of them comes up with a legitimate reason for wasting so much money.
The entire US could go to hell in a handbasket as long as Israel survives. In their minds that land is a birthright and they are obligated/entitled to use the US political process to it's fullest extent to guarantee Israel's survival at any cost. The cost to the US means nothing to them. If the US ceases to exist they'll find someone else to mooch off of fulfill the covenant. :)
The sooner you make peace with this concept the better. :)
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John, it's obvious we're too ignorant to understand that the US is obligated to fulfill God's covenant with the Jews at any cost. To believe anything else is anti-semetic, LOL!
Let's both just STFU about this before one of these idiots starts quoting the diary of Anne Frank or The Night and makes us feel guilty. That will happen long before one of them comes up with a legitimate reason for wasting so much money.
The entire US could go to hell in a handbasket as long as Israel survives. In their minds that land is a birthright and they are obligated/entitled to use the US political process to it's fullest extent to guarantee Israel's survival at any cost. The cost to the US means nothing to them. If the US ceases to exist they'll find someone else to mooch off of fulfill the covenant. :)
The sooner you make peace with this concept the better. :)
brilliant post. wonderful illustration of the adage, "the empty vessel makes the loudest sound."
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Al, fry me up some potatoe pancakes, kike! AND I will return the favor by cooking some decent nan or something.
DISSS!!!!
THIS WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING!
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brilliant post. wonderful illustration of the adage, "the empty vessel makes the loudest sound."
Pretty telling that we have no choice in the matter when a proponent of the policy doesn't even need to explain its reason.
Instead of finding new ways to call us stupid, grow a set and explain why the policy works for America.
Note: By set, I specifically mean balls. :)
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I want some potatoe pancakes..
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Al, fry me up some potatoe pancakes, kike! AND I will return the favor by cooking some decent nan or something.
DISSS!!!!
THIS WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING!
i'm not jewish, but i wouldn't mind would like it if my kids were . . . someone mentioned nigella lawson before . . . all i've got to say is "Holy G-d!"
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i'm not jewish, but i wouldn't mind would like it if my kids were . . . someone mentioned nigella lawson before . . . all i've got to say is "Holy G-d!"
LOFL!!!!!!! This takes the fkng cake.
Honestly, you should have just lied and gotten some potatoe pancake mix.
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i'm not jewish, but i wouldn't mind would like it if my kids were . . . someone mentioned nigella lawson before . . . all i've got to say is "Holy G-d!"
That cooking show lady? I'm drunk atm so bare with me! if I am right, then you ought to be impressed!
Fucking ECA hasn't worn off either... I am energetic, but a little drunk off of some cheap wine.
Some jewish women are really hott... My school has a lot of them.. Nice black hair, but pale complexions, friendly, but they tread with caution.. Always been nice to me. But they require effort. I did see one the other day and I wanted to suckle her boobies, but then my supposed gf called and buzzed in my ear about ramadan.. hahaha ::)
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We can at least agree on her hotness.
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We can at least agree on her hotness.
is she the cooking or what? Please answer.
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is she the cooking or what? Please answer.
Don't know the last name or ethnicity but there's a show called Nigella Bites with a seriously pretty woman that I would hit..... like it was my fkng job!!!
Not even kidding.
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Don't know the last name or ethnicity but there's a show called Nigella Bites with a seriously pretty woman that I would hit..... like it was my fkng job!!!
Not even kidding.
Does she have a brit accent but with jet black hair and a pale complexion?
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yeah, she's the cooking woman.
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yeah, she's the cooking woman.
YES!
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Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses :P
I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?). Here is an excerpt I found. The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
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Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses :P
I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?). Here is an excerpt I found. The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
what an awesome article.
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I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?). Here is an excerpt I found. The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
here's a response from Harvard Law prof Dershowitz
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/dershowitzreply.pdf :
See pg. 5 specifically.
Also, from the Washington Post
Yes, It's Anti-Semitic
By Eliot A. Cohen
Wednesday, April 5, 2006; Page A23
Academic papers posted on a Harvard Web site don't normally attract enthusiastic praise from prominent white supremacists. But John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" has won David Duke's endorsement as "a modern Declaration of American Independence" and a vindication of the ex-Klansman's earlier work, presumably including his pathbreaking book, "Jewish Supremacism."
Walt and Mearsheimer contend that American national security dictates distancing ourselves from the state of Israel; that U.S. support for Israel has led to such disasters as America's status as the No. 1 target for Islamic terrorists; and that such an otherwise inexplicable departure from good sense can be accounted for only by the power of "The Lobby" (their capitalization), an overwhelmingly Jewish force abetted by some Christian evangelicals and a gentile neocon collaborator or two, who have hijacked American foreign policy and controlled it for decades.
One of Mearsheimer's University of Chicago colleagues has characterized this as "piss-poor, monocausal social science." It is indeed a wretched piece of scholarship. Israeli citizenship rests "on the principle of blood kinship," it says, and yet the country has a million non-Jewish citizens who vote. Osama bin Laden's grievance with the United States begins with Israel, it says -- but in fact his 1998 fatwa declaring war against this country began by denouncing the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia and the suffering of the people of Iraq. "Other ethnic lobbies can only dream of having the political muscle" The Lobby has -- news to anyone advocating lifting the embargo on Fidel Castro's Cuba. The Iraq war stemmed from The Lobby's conception of Israel's interest -- yet, oddly, the war attracted the support of anti-Israel intellectuals such as Christopher Hitchens and mainstream publications such as The Economist. America's anti-Iran policy reflects the dictates of The Lobby -- but how to explain Europe's equally strong opposition to Iranian nuclear ambitions?
Oddly, these international relations realists -- who in their more normal academic lives declare that state interests determine policy, and domestic politics matters little -- have discovered the one case in which domestic politics has, for decades, determined the policy of the world's greatest state. Their theories proclaim the importance of power, not ideals, yet they abhor the thought of allying with the strongest military and most vibrant economy in the Middle East. Reporting persecution, they have declared that they could not publish their work in the United States, but they have neglected to name the academic journals that turned them down.
Inept, even kooky academic work, then, but is it anti-Semitic? If by anti-Semitism one means obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews; if one accuses them of disloyalty, subversion or treachery, of having occult powers and of participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments; if one systematically selects everything unfair, ugly or wrong about Jews as individuals or a group and equally systematically suppresses any exculpatory information -- why, yes, this paper is anti-Semitic.
Mearsheimer and Walt conceive of The Lobby as a conspiracy between the Washington Times and the New York Times, the Democratic-leaning Brookings Institution and Republican-leaning American Enterprise Institute, architects of the Oslo accords and their most vigorous opponents. In this world Douglas Feith manipulates Don Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney takes orders from Richard Perle. They dwell on public figures with Jewish names and take repeated shots at conservative Christians (acceptable subjects for prejudice in intellectual circles), but they never ask why a Sen. John McCain today or, in earlier years, a rough-hewn labor leader such as George Meany declared themselves friends of Israel.
The authors dismiss or ignore past Arab threats to exterminate Israel, as well as the sewer of anti-Semitic literature that pollutes public discourse in the Arab world today. The most recent calls by Iran's fanatical -- and nuclear weapons-hungry -- president for Israel to be "wiped off the map" they brush aside as insignificant. There is nothing here about the millions of dollars that Saudi Arabia has poured into lobbying and academic institutions, or the wealth of Islamic studies programs on American campuses, though they note with suspicion some 130 Jewish studies programs on those campuses. West Bank settlements get attention; terrorist butchery of civilians on buses or in shopping malls does not. To dispute their view of Israel is not to differ about policy but to act as a foreign agent.
If this sounds personal, it is, although I am only a footnote target for Mearsheimer and Walt. I am a public intellectual and a proud Jew; sympathetic to Israel and extensively engaged in our nation's military affairs; vaguely conservative and occasionally hawkish. In a week my family will celebrate Passover with my oldest son -- the third generation to serve as an officer in the United States Army. He will be home on leave from the bomb-strewn streets of Baghdad. The patch on his shoulder is the same flag that flies on my porch.
Other supposed members of "The Lobby" also have children in military service. Impugning their patriotism or mine is not scholarship or policy advocacy. It is merely, and unforgivably, bigotry.
The writer is a professor at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studie
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Seems like this thread got a bit off track, talkin' about black people and Jewesses :P
I don't know how many of you have read "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearshemier and Stephen Walt, a book that is both reviled and praised(reviled by who, I wonder?). Here is an excerpt I found. The book is fascinating and offers up some eye opening facts.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
I'll read the articles after the gym. In the meantime.......
He is an obvious racist and does not understand the US's obligation to support God's covenant with the Jews or Israel's right to our money.
Stop listening to people like that and embrace the truth. In time you will be like our friend Algernon... willing to convert, marry and raise your children in the faith of God's chosen people.
:)
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here's a response from Harvard Law prof Dershowitz
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/dershowitzreply.pdf :
See pg. 5 specifically.
Also, from the Washington Post
Yes, It's Anti-Semitic
By Eliot A. Cohen
Wednesday, April 5, 2006; Page A23
::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise ::)
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::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise ::)
::) david duke and a texas redneck agree. what a surprise ::)
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::) wow a couple of jews denounce it and say they are anti-semitic. what a surprise ::)
JM,
Anyone who disagrees on Israels US spending policy is a racist.
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I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say. For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews. For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person. But the vast majority of people have never read his works. When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever". People also get very angry over such things. For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective. Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.
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I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say. For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews. For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person. But the vast majority of people have never read his works. When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever". People also get very angry over such things. For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective. Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.
speaking of automatic reactions ::) you didn't even bother to read a word of what I posted, did you?
David Duke did endorse mearsheimer and walt (i wonder why) . . . but i suppose the only thing relevant to the world is your pov.
speaking of mearsheimer and walt . . . self-loathing seems to be catching. drkaje can't wait to jump on the duke bandwagon in one way or another.
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I've always hated the automatic reaction to something without ever reading into what that person or group has to say. For instance, Al-Gebra's mentioning of David Duke and a Texas redneck, and in response to Matrix's decleration that the article I had posted was declared as being anti-semitic by two Jews. For example, I know David Duke is not a very popular person. But the vast majority of people have never read his works. When his name is discussed, or a mention that Jews are in powerful positions overwhelmingly, it seems as if an automatic reaction is immediately brought up, like "omg, not a racist nutjob like that guy, whatever". People also get very angry over such things. For me, I don't get angry, I just get subjective. Unbelievable how people are conditioned to react to nowadays without ever researching the topic.
JB,
You just don't undersatand.... Algernon is so bright that our ignorance wouldn't allow any understanding of his reasons. He's actually doing us a favor by not telling us a truth we couldn't comprehend.
I say we should all get similarly brainwashed and move to Israel.
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::) david duke and a texas redneck agree. what a surprise ::)
haha im not a redneck and not a white supremacist. all youve got now is the dreaded 'YOUR ANTI-SEMITIC' bullshit. maybe you can stop being a little bitch and actually explain your reasoning instead of just saying everyone else is wrong and ignorant
lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)
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haha im not a redneck and not a white supremacist. all youve got now is the dreaded 'YOUR ANTI-SEMITIC' bullshit. maybe you can stop being a little bitch and actually explain your reasoning instead of just saying everyone else is wrong and ignorant
lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)
Why are you still fighting the good fight?
Just give up, he doesn't have an answer.
Oh, and drink some of the kool-aid like me. :)
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I'd bang that old broad fucking SENSELESS!
Face looks a little off in the first shot, but check those titties!
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lol i bet david duke thinks candy bars are good. so obviously anyone else who agrees that candy bars are good must be a white supremacist ::)
now why would I want to respond to someone who exhibits the reasoning ability of a rock?
whenever reasonable people have asked me a question, i have always responded . . . even in this thread.
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now why would I want to respond to someone who exhibits the reasoning ability of a rock?
whenever reasonable people have asked me a question, i have always responded . . . even in this thread.
You are so full of shit your eyes are brown. :)
Why further embarrass yourself by defining 'reasonable' as agreeing with you? Despite our many differences of opinion I really expected more of you. You responded with rhetoric or insults to every honest request for a sound reason behind the policy. In that regard, it seems pretty obvious that you've earned (and should expect)a certain amount of abuse and lost credibility.
Just because it's the politics board doesn't mean we're supposed to cut someone slack for bullshitting us.
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You are so full of shit your eyes are brown. :)
Why further embarrass yourself by defining 'reasonable' as agreeing with you? Despite our many differences of opinion I really expected more of you. You responded with rhetoric or insults to every honest request for a sound reason behind the policy. In that regard, it seems pretty obvious that you've earned (and should expect)a certain amount of abuse and lost credibility.
Just because it's the politics board doesn't mean we're supposed to cut someone slack for bullshitting us.
your contributions to this thread have been insults to the intelligence of any reasonable person. so i've responded in kind. ;)
if, however, someone reasonable wants to question me, i'm more than willing to answer. my politics are not the same as CQ's, stella's, beach bum's, camel jockey's or ozmo's (just for instance), but I consider them to be among the reasonable people here, and would be more than happy to engage in a discussion with them.
in this thread, CQ asked me a question, and I answered, even though I'm sure she sees things differently from me.
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AMC,
That's not the girl I was thinking about. Had her confused with another cooking show hottie.
She's a little chunky for what I like but still doable. :)
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When you beat the shit out of 1/2 a dozen countries the day after being left on your own, you get to do whatever the hell you want in that area. Israel isn't going anywhere, they're always 2 steps ahead of the rest of the middle east and hell bent on staying in that area. And frankly, who cares. Muslims are the scum of the planet. What do they contribute besides trouble?
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When you beat the shit out of 1/2 a dozen countries the day after being left on your own, you get to do whatever the hell you want in that area. Israel isn't going anywhere, they're always 2 steps ahead of the rest of the middle east and hell bent on staying in that area. And frankly, who cares. Muslims are the scum of the planet. What do they contribute besides trouble?
Wrong. You do whatever you can afford on your own dime.
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Wrong. You do whatever you can afford on your own dime.
Israel's got the economy and technology to sustain themselves. The fact that in 60 years they have surpassed the entire collective middle east (regardless of getting our help or not) is proof that they aren't going anywhere. I do look forward to Iran trying to test them. Mossad versus the Quds Force, wonder who would win. ::)
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Israel's got the economy and technology to sustain themselves. The fact that in 60 years they have surpassed the entire collective middle east (regardless of getting our help or not) is proof that they aren't going anywhere. I do look forward to Iran trying to test them. Mossad versus the Quds Force, wonder who would win. ::)
60+ years of the US propping up their economy really isn't something for you to be proud of.