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And are you going to stop before you blow it out? ???
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What is his diagnosis Adam?
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What is his diagnosis Adam?
diagnosis: steroids
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ta is back in full troll attack mode should make for some good threads 8)
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What is his diagnosis Adam?
His nurse said one is one the verge of the point of no return. I am not sure of his next move. Hopefully he will clarify.
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His nurse said one is one the verge of the point of no return. I am not sure of his next move. Hopefully he will clarify.
His nurse?
Did his doctor also try to diagnose the extent of damage to one specific kidney without a biopsy, or was it only nurse "House?"
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I would go further than TA: Galestinko should give the board the courtesy of toning down the volume of broscientific screeds on all drug-related manners until it is clear that he is a responsible steward of his own body.
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I would go further than TA: Galestinko should give the board courtesy of toning down the volume of broscientific screeds on all drug-related manners until it is clear that he isn't killing himself.
I like him and don't want him to died just yet.
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its ok-ish, the apropriate measures have been done.
this means, there will be no contest level lean walking round year round nomore.
oh well.
btw, for those who gorge on the downfalls of others, yall sacks of diarrhea, i actually planned to document the slow "meltdown" with pics etc, but you can thank to 1or2 daft twats,its not happening.
you know, the pieces of shits who thought its all drugs and looked forward to the beoming a mere mortal bodied guy.
maybe they can instead satisfy their psychopathic "schadenfreude" over the death of derek, or the aids of tbombs.
yah, gal going the clean route, big deal, no sack of rice gon fall over in china bc of that.
so sorry ,cant provide you with real bad news like having soem cancer or something
I would go further than TA: Galestinko should give the board the courtesy of toning down the volume of broscientific screeds on all drug-related manners until it is clear that he is a responsible steward of his own body.
dont be such a bitchmade fagget please, alright?
havent you read the recent pov and posts of mine?always was against high doses, always said gh is no good, always said insulin is ridiculous, always been clear that synthol is insanity.
as for bro science, fuck right off, thats right, can fuck and fist yourself, everything remotely scintifical posted is coming straight from books written by professors on the field.just to clarify.
i just dont declare it as such, but never made a random claim that i cant back up.hope this helps.
youre very inteliggent guy and most likely knew this and been trolling, but guess what today my humour radar isnt receptive for this kind of trolling.
always always said anything beyond hrt is asking for it, pointed out the risks, and said how to minimize them.
broscience my balls, dont assume i post things without having a backup, youre spitting on many hours of reading.
go fuck yourself and go troll the ones who really post bro science.
i hope i was clear here
His nurse?
Did his doctor also try to diagnose the extent of damage to one specific kidney without a biopsy, or was it only nurse "House?"
dont worry, what was posted was first "raw" results, what wasnt posted was the followup consultations.
whats next someone wants to know the colour of my underwear?lol
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its ok-ish, the apropriate measures have been done.
this means, there will be no contest level lean walking round year round nomore.
oh well.
btw, for those who gorge on the downfalls of others, yall sacks of diarrhea, i actually planned to document the slow "meltdown" with pics etc, but you can thank to 1or2 daft twats,its not happening.
you know, the pieces of shits who thought its all drugs and looked forward to the beoming a mere mortal bodied guy.
maybe they can instead satisfy their psychopathic "schadenfreude" over the death of derek, or the aids of tbombs.
yah, gal going the clean route, big deal, no sack of rice gon fall over in china bc of that.
so sorry ,cant provide you with real bad news like having soem cancer or something
dont be such a bitchmade fagget please, alright?
havent you read the recent pov and posts of mine?always was against high doses, always said gh is no good, always said insulin is ridiculous, always been clear that synthol is insanity.
as for bro science, fuck right off, thats right, can fuck and fist yourself, everything remotely scintifical posted is coming straight from books written by professors on the field.just to clarify.
i just dont declare it as such, but never made a random claim that i cant back up.hope this helps.
youre very inteliggent guy and most likely knew this and been trolling, but guess what today my humour radar isnt receptive for this kind of trolling.
always always said anything beyond hrt is asking for it, pointed out the risks, and said how to minimize them.
broscience my balls, dont assume i post things without having a backup, youre spitting on many hours of reading.
go fuck yourself and go troll the ones who really post bro science.
i hope i was clear here
dont worry, what was posted was first "raw" results, what wasnt posted was the followup consultations.
whats next someone wants to know the colour of my underwear?lol
I like you, but you were all drugs and you also took to extreme measures to get lean. Its not sustainable in the long run nor is it good for yours or anyones health.
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gal, I just had kidney stones
worst pain in my life
totally sucks
hope your kidneys are just great brother
happy holidays
Steve
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fucking hell gal is in a bad mood today
he was in decent shape last time he was natural
no reason he cant get there again
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I like you, but you were all drugs and you also took to extreme measures to get lean. Its not sustainable in the long run nor is it good for yours or anyones health.
nah wasnt all drugs at all, was conservative with that.time on is the issue.well ofc that look wasnt sustainable for very long.
the future will show how much all drugs it was, in know the diff betw on and off.its not as bad as ppl want to think.
thx steve, no worries, jumped ship in time :D
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The irony of the whole thing. Unfuckingbelievable. So again, I was right all along. Gal is lucky he still has ways out apparently which cant be said of everyone lately.
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nah wasnt all drugs at all, was conservative with that.time on is the issue.well ofc that look wasnt sustainable for very long.
the future will show how much all drugs it was, in know the diff betw on and off.its not as bad as ppl want to think.
thx steve, no worries, jumped ship in time :D
Gal serious question......what amount is considered hrt? thanks
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Seeing you that lean in all those pics actually made me wondering about your health for quite some time
It can not be healthy to be sub 6% dry year arround, with or without hormones
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Gal, what color are your underwear?
PS: Fatso! :-*
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awesome gal
I hope you live to 100
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awesome gal
I hope you live to 100
Nah, I hope he only lives to 89.
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TA abused plenty of anabolics in his attempts to stay relevant on various forums so he knows the dangers.
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Gal serious question......what amount is considered hrt? thanks
well,haha, some will say 750 weekly.
but im serious, when hrt is said i meant 250.
when someone says true hrt, thatll be 50-100 weekly.
you know, despite all this, even on nothing, measurements are required as soon the blood pressure gets out of whack.this goes for natties too, esp after certain age,and bad diet,they might become introcuded to dialysys machine eventualy.
i know full well how it happens, but ppl shall find out for themselves.
so, hrt was 250.something to keep in mind.just do the bloodwork tests, regularly, even if they show nothing, it doesnt mean theres nothing.
if they show something, it means there was something bit off for some time.
ppl can do what they want, eat what they want,i dont care, just do yourselves the favor and do bloodwork.
and yes, walking around very close to stage ready all year will indirectly be somewhat taxing.
@chaos, brown on backside, yellow on front,haha
arce, 99 will be fine too,same to you :D
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TA abused plenty of anabolics in his attempts to stay relevant on various forums so he knows the dangers.
Oh, the irony. ;D
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Gal has tried to quit smoking thats the problem.
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nah wasnt all drugs at all, was conservative with that.time on is the issue.well ofc that look wasnt sustainable for very long.
the future will show how much all drugs it was, in know the diff betw on and off.its not as bad as ppl want to think.
thx steve, no worries, jumped ship in time :D
That's just what that other nitwit said. What day is his funeral?
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That's just what that other nitwit said. What day is his funeral?
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This is the same fucker who posts on youtube with the same shit ass comments
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hey ,scum, let god do the judgment, youre not in the posotion,youre just a sundried turd.
not very christian of you
That's just what that other nitwit said. What day is his funeral?
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and who are you again?are you writing the 15th symphony or something?haha you think youre of special value, turdface?
This is the same fucker who posts on youtube with the same shit ass comments
is it actualy that asshole?
would love to have this.2 minutes, him,me, locked room no windows,1 basebal bat in my hands.
he would come out of that in a shape that no 100 specialist surgeons could rearrange his skeleton, not in 100 years.
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calling Galeniko all drugs is ridiculous.
nothing more than trolling to try to get under his skin.
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The guy on youtube uses the same fucking Punchline steroidsare4losers in all the fucking bbing videos. Man this is one guy i would like to have the honor to fuck in the ass.
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well,haha, some will say 750 weekly.
but im serious, when hrt is said i meant 250.
when someone says true hrt, thatll be 50-100 weekly.
you know, despite all this, even on nothing, measurements are required as soon the blood pressure gets out of whack.this goes for natties too, esp after certain age,and bad diet,they might become introcuded to dialysys machine eventualy.
i know full well how it happens, but ppl shall find out for themselves.
so, hrt was 250.something to keep in mind.just do the bloodwork tests, regularly, even if they show nothing, it doesnt mean theres nothing.
if they show something, it means there was something bit off for some time.
ppl can do what they want, eat what they want,i dont care, just do yourselves the favor and do bloodwork.
and yes, walking around very close to stage ready all year will indirectly be somewhat taxing.
@chaos, brown on backside, yellow on front,haha
arce, 99 will be fine too,same to you :D
thanks
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calling Galeniko all drugs is ridiculous.
nothing more than trolling to try to get under his skin.
The way I see it, if someone is using steroids, they are all drugs until they get off completely. There is no way around this. The body is not naturally producing anything whilst on steroids so it has to be all drugs.
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The way I see it, if someone is using steroids, they are all drugs until they get off completely. There is no way around this. The body is not naturally producing anything whilst on steroids so it has to be all drugs.
Actually there is some Test production by the body. If the production stops completely, you are on TRT for life
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Here is Bob Paris not on steroids. He is not All Drugs in this picture.
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Actually there is some Test production by the body. If the production stops completely, you are on TRT for life
I thought there was not any "natural" production when someone is on roids.
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Here is Bob Paris not on steroids. He is not All Drugs in this picture.
Which one is he? Just looks like two old gays to me.
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I thought there was not any "natural" production when someone is on roids.
I know you're trolling....but know you can force your own production. Depends on a lot of factors as well whether you are fully suppressed or not. In other words, you're wrong.
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I know you're trolling....but know you can force your own production. Depends on a lot of factors as well whether you are fully suppressed or not. In other words, you're wrong.
full suppression is TRT for life
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I know you're trolling....but know you can force your own production. Depends on a lot of factors as well whether you are fully suppressed or not. In other words, you're wrong.
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So if someone is taking 500mg or 1 gram of testosterone, their natural production is still going and producing during their cycle?
I thought it shut off, which is why their balls shrink. ???
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So if someone is taking 500mg or 1 gram of testosterone, their natural production is still going and producing during their cycle?
I thought it shut off, which is why their balls shrink. ???
An anavar cycle or comparable steroid will not shut you down fully, it will suppress you to a degree.
A very high dose testosterone cycle prob will suppress you to the point a layman would refer to it as "shutdown."
These are 2 different steroids with differing effects on your HPTA.
But you can also FORCE your own production through peptide hormones which will make your body produce its own test no matter what.
I encourage you to research all of these terms yourself to better educate your yourself.
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But you can also FORCE your own production through peptide hormones which will make your body produce its own test no matter what.
which ones bro?
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hey ,scum, let god do the judgment, youre not in the posotion,youre just a sundried turd.
not very christian of you
and who are you again?are you writing the 15th symphony or something?haha you think youre of special value, turdface?
is it actualy that asshole?
would love to have this.2 minutes, him,me, locked room no windows,1 basebal bat in my hands.
he would come out of that in a shape that no 100 specialist surgeons could rearrange his skeleton, not in 100 years.
I hope you can fight better than you can spell, stupid. Bring your bat, you coward. Anytime.
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An anavar or comparable steroid will not shut you down fully.
1G test prob will.
But you can also FORCE your own production through peptide hormones which will make your body produce its own test no matter what.
ROFLMAO, so you are telling me that you have to take drugs after taking drugs in order to FORCE your body to do something it was supposed to be doing in the first place?
It sounds like your Natural Testosterone does in fact shut down, if it didn`t, why would you need to use another drug to try to jumpstart it back?
Point is, anyone using is All Drugs and nothing else. Only when they stop for good are they not all drugs. See the above picture of Bob Paris.
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ROFLMAO, so you are telling me that you have to take drugs after taking drugs in order to FORCE your body to do something it was supposed to be doing in the first place?
It sounds like your Natural Testosterone does in fact shut down, if it didn`t, why would you need to use another drug to try to jumpstart it back?
Point is, anyone using is All Drugs and nothing else. Only when they stop for good are they not all drugs. See the above picture of Bob Paris.
I understand that pharmacology is not your strong point, just know that you can't over simplify things to fit your pre cnveived agenda here. It's the equivalent of me saying that I can cook meat in a microwave because it does the same thing as a stove top or a BBQ >>>it cooks it.
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The guy on youtube uses the same fucking Punchline steroidsare4losers in all the fucking bbing videos. Man this is one guy i would like to have the honor to fuck in the ass.
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What's the matter pussy? Can't cope with life without drugs?
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which ones bro?
HCG being the most popular one for FSH/LH production.
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What's the matter pussy? Can't cope with life without drugs?
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Bitch your mamma gave you vaccines when you were born(a mistake). Do fucking not talk about a drug free world
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Fuck you bitch....get the fuck out of here before i curse you with a bleeding anus for life
Not in a million years, you sniveling h0mo.
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Bitch your mamma gave you vaccines when you were born(a mistake). Do fucking not talk about a drug free world
LOL actually a surprisingly brilliant point right here. Seriously, this was a good one.
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LOL actually a surprisingly brilliant point right here. Seriously, this was a good one.
You must be a real moron.
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TA: In shorter words, suppression is due to drug of choice, duration on the drug, as well as the good ole generic factor of how you respond to it and whether your HPTA gets obliterated or it rolls with the punches.
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I understand that pharmacology is not your strong point, just know that you can't over simplify things to fit your pre cnveived agenda here. It's the equivalent of me saying that I can cook meat in a microwave because it does the same thing as a stove top or a BBQ >>>it cooks it.
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You are getting angry. That was not my intention. I know I am correct, but for some reason you don`t want it to be so.
Using Steroids=All Drugs
Not Using Anything Ever Again or Never using from the start=Not all Drugs.
Its really that easy.
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I appreciate anybody on these boards that is prepared to be honest and issue advice based on their experiences. Galeniko was intelligent enough to get his body checked out and listen to the results. You can't knock a man for that.
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The way I see it, if someone is using steroids, they are all drugs until they get off completely. There is no way around this. The body is not naturally producing anything whilst on steroids so it has to be all drugs.
what does it matter to you what someone else does to their body?
what does it matter to you if they are 'all drugs' or natural?
nobody owes you an explanation for anything they do or why they do it.
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You must be a real moron.
I can out pose you any day of the week son. Seriously. Pick your favorite Olympia contest, name your favorite athlete, I will out perform any man woman or child trying to keep up with me, pose-to-pose.
What you?
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what does it matter to you what someone else does to their body?
what does it matter to you if they are 'all drugs' or natural?
nobody owes you an explanation for anything they do or why they do it.
1. I think all drug laws should abolished and that people should have complete personal freedom to do as they wish to themselves.
2. Its doesn`t matter at all, but that doesn`t mean I can`t have an opinion on the matter.
3. I am not asking for anyone to provide me with anything. I don`t care if someone does it because they are insecure, bored, or want an easier way to get results or whatever reason. I don`t even care if they kill themselves in the process or not. That is their choice.
With all that said, I enjoy the discussion. Its no reason to get angry.
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LOL actually a surprisingly brilliant point right here. Seriously, this was a good one.
x2 I wish to comment on this as well :D
Good luck galeniko being natural isn't so bad you still look better than 99% of our disgusting population.
Also gal is in no way shape or form a bro-scientist. Most of what he posts is very accurate/intelligent imho.
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I would go further than TA: Galestinko should give the board the courtesy of toning down the volume of broscientific screeds on all drug-related manners until it is clear that he is a responsible steward of his own body.
Pretty much.
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You are getting angry. That was not my intention. I know I am correct, but for some reason you don`t want it to be so.
Using Steroids=All Drugs
Not Using Anything Ever Again or Never using from the start=Not all Drugs.
Its really that easy.
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I'm not angry? I find this discussion funny, quite the opponent of angry.
It is noteworthy that you can not address points directly though and instead go off on tangents and ignore the facts of the argument. You are "missing the point" of the discussion. I belive it's because you simply can't grasp the concept, which is fine. Just thought I would interject on someone talking nonsense when it's obvious this stuff is way over your head broski.
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I like you, but you were all drugs and you also took to extreme measures to get lean. Its not sustainable in the long run nor is it good for yours or anyones health.
He can't handle being natural. Doesn't have the mental or physical strength.
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I can out pose you any day of the week son. Seriously. Pick your favorite Olympia contest, name your favorite athlete, I will out perform any man woman or child trying to keep up with me, pose-to-pose.
What you?
No need for that bro. That dude doesnt even lift.... ;D ;D
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I'm not angry? I find this discussion funny, quite the opponent of angry.
It is noteworthy that you can not address points directly though and instead go off on tangents and ignore the facts of the argument. You are "missing the point" of the discussion. I belive it's because you simply can't grasp the concept, which is fine. Just thought I would interject on someone talking nonsense when it's obvious this stuff is way over your head broski.
I am not wrong though.
The point is, until you stop using drugs for good, you will remain, respectfully, ALL DRUGS. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.
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I am not wrong though.
The point is, until you stop using drugs for good, you will remain, respectfully, ALL DRUGS. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.
In the mind of true Adonis, that law holds true :)
One long winded mans opinion, nothing more nothing less.
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Furthermore, why does everyone take my expression, "ALL DRUGS" as being negative. It simply is what it is. Its a choice. It has detriments and that is negative, but the choice itself is simply a choice. (of course it may be negative if someone other than yourself, cares about your overall well being in the future and you disregard their wishes or input, but that is none of my business)
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An anavar cycle or comparable steroid will not shut you down fully, it will suppress you to a degree.
A very high dose testosterone cycle prob will suppress you to the point a layman would refer to it as "shutdown."
These are 2 different steroids with differing effects on your HPTA.
But you can also FORCE your own production through peptide hormones which will make your body produce its own test no matter what.
I encourage you to research all of these terms yourself to better educate your yourself.
Never heard anything about these...What are these "peptide hormones" called?
I know you have peps that force natural GH release, but never heard of any that can do the same for test.
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Gal has admitted to being a steroid ABUSER in the past. Damage has been done, and for what? He doesn't even compete nor does he even look like he competes. Then doing a ultra low cal psmf keto diet for way too long without sufficient breaks ???
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I can out pose you any day of the week son. Seriously. Pick your favorite Olympia contest, name your favorite athlete, I will out perform any man woman or child trying to keep up with me, pose-to-pose.
What you?
Well if you are trying to pose as an asshole you are doing a great job.
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Never heard anything about these...What are these "peptide hormones" called?
I know you have peps that force natural GH release, but never heard of any that can do the same for test.
HCG, a fertility drug, blasts your nuts to produce LH (some FSH too I think?)
Common practice for PCT for a lotta guys. Really amazing drug actually for this, also for restoring sperm count.
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Well if you are trying to pose as an asshole you are doing a great job.
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You're one of my favorite gimmicks on here if that means anything ;D
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HCG, a fertility drug, blasts your nuts to produce LH (some FSH too I think?)
Common practice for PCT for a lotta guys. Really amazing drug actually for this, also for restoring sperm count.
i read somewhere that too much of hcg can desensitize the leydig cells?
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Gal has admitted to being a steroid ABUSER in the past. Damage has been done, and for what? He doesn't even compete nor does he even look like he competes. Then doing a ultra low cal psmf keto diet for way too long without sufficient breaks ???
From what I gather he does it because he likes the feeling it gives him, uses it to increase his appeal to women, and he enjoys life while on. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. If he can do all of those things without steroids, that may be optimal. Or if he can find a balance between using and not using instead of going full bore. Its all up to him to decide.
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Gal I hope your health is fine.
In the end if you don't have your health , you don't have anything.
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i read somewhere that too much of hcg can desensitize the leydig cells?
Yep, keep it under something like 15 days (double check this.)
You don't wanna run it constantly. It's a means to an end: respark your own production post cycle. After like 14-21 days period, you fall into desensitizatioN.
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Gal I hope your health is fine.
In the end if you don't have your health , you don't have anything.
True right there.
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I am not wrong though.
The point is, until you stop using drugs for good, you will remain, respectfully, ALL DRUGS. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.
Nope. It depends on the person. Gal and Sev are examples of all drugs. Take away the AAS, gh, t3 etc and they don't look like they even workout. Gal himself believes that only 1 year of natural training is necessary before steroid use. This is an obvious ALL DRUGs/ No foundation person who feels that way.
But then you have someone like Chiro who has put in 5+ years of hard natural training learning his body. When he goes off he will have a respectable physique.
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From what I gather he does it because he likes the feeling it gives him, uses it to increase his appeal to women, and he enjoys life while on. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. If he can do all of those things without steroids, that may be optimal. Or if he can find a balance between using and not using instead of going full bore. Its all up to him to decide.
Tell him to select a coffin. The 'roids are taking him down.
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Yep, keep it under something like 15 days (double check this.)
You don't wanna run it constantly. It's a means to an end: respark your own production post cycle. After like 14-21 days period, you fall into desensitizatioN.
The first cycle i took in my life was from a guy. That was when i had just heard about them.
He gave something like T-prop 1cc on Mondays and thursdays with 2000iuhcg for 10weeks.
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The first cycle i took in my life was from a guy. That was when i had just heard about them.
He gave something like T-prop 1cc on Mondays and thursdays with 2000iuhcg for 10weeks.
I don't really see the point of this at all.
Some HRT docs prescribed weekly HCG just so patients don't freak out when their balls atrophy slightly.
Seems pointless to me. I'd rather use it PCT for 2 weeks strong and return myself as close to normal physiologically as possible. But that's just me.
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I don't really see the point of this at all.
Some HRT docs prescribed weekly HCG just so patients don't freak out when their balls atrophy slightly.
Seems pointless to me. I'd rather use it PCT for 2 weeks strong and return myself as close to normal physiologically as possible. But that's just me.
x2 bro. My first was when i did not even know something called testosterone existed ;D
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Gal,I hope your health improves. I train without any drugs. Without drugs you can still look great. Not good enough to enter a contest but muscular and healthy. I think as bodybuilding fans we have a warped viewpoint of what's a good physique. If I look like a sprinter, middle weight Olympic lifter or a wrestler that's more than good enough for me. That bodybuilding temporary drug bloat muscle is just something that will disappear quickly. I have had been around so many long term drug users that have repeated a variation of "training is a waste of time without drugs." Nothing could be further from the truth.
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I don't really see the point of this at all.
Some HRT docs prescribed weekly HCG just so patients don't freak out when their balls atrophy slightly.
Seems pointless to me. I'd rather use it PCT for 2 weeks strong and return myself as close to normal physiologically as possible. But that's just me.
I don't think 2 weeks of PCT does much at all for a serious juicer.
A few months at least of PCT, then completely clean for several weeks and have labs done.
But if one is going to go back on it's kind of pointless.
I might attempt to recover sometime soon. Maybe 6 months of low dose HCG with clomid or nolva, HMG if I can get it, a shot of Triptorelin would be nice too.
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Nope. It depends on the person. Gal and Sev are examples of all drugs. Take away the AAS, gh, t3 etc and they don't look like they even workout. Gal himself believes that only 1 year of natural training is necessary before steroid use. This is an obvious ALL DRUGs/ No foundation person who feels that way.
But then you have someone like Chiro who has put in 5+ years of hard natural training learning his body. When he goes off he will have a respectable physique.
Complete shit. Look at every x olympia contender. None of them have a respectable shape OFF and you think average gym rat Joe will? There's no such thing as a good physique natural. The best you can hope for is to look athletic whatever the hell that means anymore.
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I don't think 2 weeks of PCT does much at all for a serious juicer.
A few months at least of PCT, then completely clean for several weeks and have labs done.
But if one is going to go back on it's kind of pointless.
I might attempt to recover sometime soon. Maybe 6 months of low dose HCG with clomid or nolva, HMG if I can get it, a shot of Triptorelin would be nice too.
To clarify:
I'm advocating 2 weeks of HCG use, as noted by the pubmed articles I've read. I was NOT addressing my overall PCT program.
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I don't think 2 weeks of PCT does much at all for a serious juicer.
Allrght, there is a peptide that stimulates the gonads. It is much stronger than hcg and only a single shot is enough. Just cannot recollect the name.
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dont be such a bitchmade fagget please, alright?
havent you read the recent pov and posts of mine?always was against high doses, always said gh is no good, always said insulin is ridiculous, always been clear that synthol is insanity.
as for bro science, fuck right off, thats right, can fuck and fist yourself, everything remotely scintifical posted is coming straight from books written by professors on the field.just to clarify.
i just dont declare it as such, but never made a random claim that i cant back up.hope this helps.
youre very inteliggent guy and most likely knew this and been trolling, but guess what today my humour radar isnt receptive for this kind of trolling.
always always said anything beyond hrt is asking for it, pointed out the risks, and said how to minimize them.
broscience my balls, dont assume i post things without having a backup, youre spitting on many hours of reading.
go fuck yourself and go troll the ones who really post bro science.
WTF, this isn't the post of a man basking in the glow of HRT. You've begun coming off, I take it?
Also, please don't insinuate violence against me again (fist fucking is a very violent act that can cause permanent damage) -- the authorities that you seem to think occasionally monitor your online activity (hence your endless wave of deleting posts like a bipolar person) may take it as a sign of recividism.
p.s. Do they give you a curfew? ;D
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Allrght, there is a peptide that stimulates the gonads. It is much stronger than hcg and only a single shot is enough. Just cannot recollect the name.
I wrote it above :)
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Don't insult me by confusing wolfox with some paranoid meth head.
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ta took steroids
he suffered badly from estrogen sides see pic
bit hypocritical trolling other people for doing it
gal is sensible enough to put his health first
he will still look better natural than most of the board
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I wrote it above :)
geez...missed that. Thanks bro 8)
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It was probably Gal's harsh dieting that was the main culprit.
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If I had to estimate, Gal has a good number of IQ points on the OP. Gal's ability to write and express himsLelf, including the use of subtlety, irony, etc., in written English is impressive for a non-native speaker. His speaking ability, as demonstrated in the videos, was not as good, but still probably much better than most on here could do in a foreign language.
Not to mention that Gal hasn't posted in any threads advocating pedophilia.
Where was the pedophilia and what was the context of discussion?
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Need more info on these pedo accusations.
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Gal is one of the friendlier and more entertaining posters on here, why would anyone wish ill things upon him ???
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ta took steroids
he suffered badly from estrogen sides see pic
bit hypocritical trolling other people for doing it
gal is sensible enough to put his health first
he will still look better natural than most of the board
TA has never taken any steroids.
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TA has never taken any steroids.
how about this dbol bloat right here brother
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can you really lose a kidney from 1cc of test?
doubtful
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how about this dbol bloat right here brother
Try 25-30 percent bodyfat. That was right before dieting for Mr. Getbig. I was forcefeeding myself to deadlift 600 again.
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Try 25-30 percent bodyfat. That was right before dieting for Mr. Getbig. I was forcefeeding myself to deadlift 600 again.
bill star deadlifted 660lbs @ 187lbs of drug free muscle
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TA has deadlifted 225 for 112 reps, this is a getbig record.
It may have been 113 I can't remember for sure.
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Try 25-30 percent bodyfat. That was right before dieting for Mr. Getbig. I was forcefeeding myself to deadlift 600 again.
This is your most beastly..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230327.0;attach=269739;image)
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TA has deadlifted 225 for 112 reps, this is a getbig record.
It may have been 113 I can't remember for sure.
Maybe watch the video again to be sure?
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Gal and CF + steroids and bro science = all drugs!
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gal is pretty much the opposite of 'all drugs', he's about low doses and discipline instead of mega abuse, perma bulking and then running 150mg tren, 200mcg T3 and enough clen to kill cardiac tissue in an attempt to drop weight without dieting.
why not do 200mg test + 200mg of nandrolone? That's pretty much what HIV patients get (got) put on and they are much more 'delicate' than healthy individuals.. they also get given massive doses of HGH but that's another story.
I don't think 1-2cc's a week would have any real health risks, Gal's diet and smoking would probably give him worse numbers.. also doing cardio 30 mins ED fairly hard, keeping stress low and eating enough healthy fats would help.
At the end of the day numbers are just numbers.. Gal, did you find out if the eGFR (kidney) was artificially low because of post workout muscle damage + protein? they just estimate that number (hence the 'e') off BUN etc and they assume those based on a fat average sedentary person with no muscle tissue breakdown..
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Actually there is some Test production by the body. If the production stops completely, you are on TRT for life
actually it never stops entirely,if it does, youre dead
that said,theres the natty pics out there, still looking flawless, just bit smaller :D
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Here is Bob Paris not on steroids. He is not All Drugs in this picture.
this is not ust not on steroids, this is also not training and not dieting like a trainer.
very bad example.
the difference between natty and trt is not extremly huge
difference between a gramm and nothing, yeah thatll be looking very different.
but mr paris in that pic hasnt even traine for a very long time.might aswell show a pic of him before he ever lifted a weight
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this is not ust not on steroids, this is also not training and not dieting like a trainer.
very bad example.
the difference between natty and trt is not extremly huge
difference between a gramm and nothing, yeah thatll be looking very different.
but mr paris in that pic hasnt even traine for a very long time.might aswell show a pic of him before he ever lifted a weight
first you said that the jump from natural to 250mg was the biggest jump and
then jump to 500 or 1000 is much less significant
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I hope you can fight better than you can spell, stupid. Bring your bat, you coward. Anytime.
ok say the location cooordinates, make sure to wear the tap out dress and you can bring your boyfriend along too
ready when you are,ballchoker
first you said that the jump from natural to 250mg was the biggest jump and
then jump to 500 or 1000 is much less significant
halo, today having very moody day, tone down the provocations :D
what i said is the first cycle will be the best if done right.biggest jump,entering a new zone.
the difference will be plenty of lbs more muscle at leanest vs leanest.
but running a gramm for years will produce those same gains on top of that,maybe even more.
therefore, the difference to natty will be remarkable.
but the first cycle will be the biggest jump, which isnt exactly hard, seeing how natural compares to small dose.its like being supercharged.
on a gramm, its like supercharged+turbo or nitrous.
250-500 ump will give another solid gains, and the 500-1000step yet another, but nothing will compare mg per mg to the first initial jumping on gear.simply bc its entering a new world, whereas later,its just upping the boost, so to say.
the ppl on a gramm, those will deserve the "all drugs" tag somewhat, they wont look nothing alike when off.
this explained good enough?
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gal is one of the best people here
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I understand that pharmacology is not your strong point, just know that you can't over simplify things to fit your pre cnveived agenda here. It's the equivalent of me saying that I can cook meat in a microwave because it does the same thing as a stove top or a BBQ >>>it cooks it.
as far own production shutdown goes, its not so simple as many believe.
if one was totaly shut down and ran only test prop, can even run 2 gramms weekly, and stops, no pct no nothing, if the own production was shut down, and the prop ester clears the system entirely withn few days, they "should" die, no man nor woman can live without testosterone.
but it doesnt happen, its always a partial shutdown, to different levels, sometimes very low, sometimes not so low.
also, its always dependent which ester and when it kicks in, the shutdown rate will never be the same on the day on the shot compared to 10 days later.
when ppl dramaticaly say "doesnt produce any test nomore" theyre full of shit,overdramtaizing things, it should say"test levels very or extrwemly low"
a good sign to observe is the following, the cumload(now the various closet homos are getting aroused im sure) when on peds will often be very thick and white, when going off will become softer and clearer, this is already a sign of recovery.and this isnt broscience this is straight from a trt doctor.
this wasnt direted at you,you know this topic and are informed.
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a good sign to observe is the following, the cumload (now the various closet homos are getting aroused im sure) when on peds will often be very thick and white, when going off will become softer and clearer,
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gal is one of the best people here
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gal is one of the best people here
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I appreciate anybody on these boards that is prepared to be honest and issue advice based on their experiences. Galeniko was intelligent enough to get his body checked out and listen to the results. You can't knock a man for that.
and ready to share the experience and to make ppl think hopefuly.
always always, keep the blood pressure checked.if this goes out of whack, something must be done about it.this is the start.something as simple as overeating will cause this.dont believe?have an all buffet you eat cheat day and check bp.
liver parameters, esp for the orals users.liver can get inflamed fast,but generaly recovers fast too
cholesterol, well, this needs no explanation.be sure to find out why its bad if it is
kidney parameters, keep an eye on them, if the BUN is out of whack after 2 days off training and on empty stomach, be cautious.
kidneys dont just fall out,the chronic disease is a slow development.
just bc bloodwork comes out "ok-ish" doesnt mean everythings ok.
but when it comes out not so ok-ish then somethings not been right for a while.
make sure to do the testing after 2 days off the gym,and no shitloads of protein eaten on those 2 days, also no binges.
thats it play safe
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Just so people know. The universities seldom do any studies on advanced bodybuilders and drug use. Why? They can't get those studies past the ethics committee. In other words, they don't want to pay compensation for negative side effects to experimental subjects. QED. So there is no science when it comes to steroid use. Instead you have anecdotal info and guru advice = bro science. Don't come on here claiming you have studied the science and know the consequences. Good kidneys to those who think they are smart. I find it reprehensible that some muscleheads post here and contaminate the already dull flotsam. There is an ugly core of miss-info floating around these forums.
Steve Reeves was natural and he still looks better than anyone before or since and that was in 1947. Dianabol was available in the late fifties and early sixties.
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x2 I wish to comment on this as well :D
Good luck galeniko being natural isn't so bad you still look better than 99% of our disgusting population.
Also gal is in no way shape or form a bro-scientist. Most of what he posts is very accurate/intelligent imho.
hey brother, lol, no problemo, thank god im not infested with the size over anything mental disorder, the little bit shrinking will do me good.it was realy just the finishing touch.wil show the pics to the ones who arw worthy imo, but not openly post them.
and thats right, i just post the stuff in poor lingo, but its not made up or repeated from the internet, its all very solid scientific info.bit modified,gal lingo, but same thing really.
Just so people know. The universities seldom do any studies on advanced bodybuilders and drug use. Why? They can't get those studies past the ethics committee. In other words, they don't want to pay compensation for negative side effects to experimental subjects. QED. So there is no science when it comes to steroid use. Instead you have anecdotal info and guru advice = bro science. Don't come on here claiming you have studied the science and know the consequences. Good kidneys to those who think they are smart. I find it reprehensible that some muscleheads post here and contaminate the already dull flotsam. There is an ugly core of miss-info floating around these forums.
Steve Reeves was natural and he still looks better than anyone before or since and that was in 1947. Dianabol was available in the late fifties and early sixties.
shut the fuck off asshole.
there are studies on ppl who trained on gear.
steve reeves looks better than anyone, fuck off with your masturbation fantasies
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From what I gather he does it because he likes the feeling it gives him, uses it to increase his appeal to women, and he enjoys life while on. Nothing wrong with any of that at all. If he can do all of those things without steroids, that may be optimal. Or if he can find a balance between using and not using instead of going full bore. Its all up to him to decide.
nah it just allows to keep great fullness while being shredded
feeling, well, pump is nice but not mandatory, on the diet the pumps havent been so great,certainly not addictive.
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galeniko = broscientist guru. Follow at your peril! You are like a virus here contaminating the gullible.
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Just so people know. The universities seldom do any studies on advanced bodybuilders and drug use. Why? They can't get those studies past the ethics committee. In other words, they don't want to pay compensation for negative side effects to experimental subjects. QED. So there is no science when it comes to steroid use. Instead you have anecdotal info and guru advice = bro science. Don't come on here claiming you have studied the science and know the consequences. Good kidneys to those who think they are smart. I find it reprehensible that some muscleheads post here and contaminate the already dull flotsam. There is an ugly core of miss-info floating around these forums.
Steve Reeves was natural and he still looks better than anyone before or since and that was in 1947. Dianabol was available in the late fifties and early sixties.
Silence you ignorant old bag of wind. There's tons of research on steroid use in bodybuilders. Here's several dozen that I found in 5 seconds:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/?term=steroids+bodybuilding
You know fuck-all about science, stop parading around here like you have half a clue.
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reeves used ped
this was directly from vince g. and armand t.
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It was probably Gal's harsh dieting that was the main culprit.
pretty much.
astonishing that out of all ppl ,shizzo kept the rationale, and has unblurred vision of things.
the walking round all year in a shape most dont even hit on contest day is bit too much.
maybe the best post of you this whole year.haha
hulkotron,its almost pointless to have a discussion with the senile child affinitate vince
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WTF, this isn't the post of a man basking in the glow of HRT. You've begun coming off, I take it?
Also, please don't insinuate violence against me again (fist fucking is a very violent act that can cause permanent damage) -- the authorities that you seem to think occasionally monitor your online activity (hence your endless wave of deleting posts like a bipolar person) may take it as a sign of recividism.
p.s. Do they give you a curfew? ;D
Can you imagine deleting thousands of your own posts? That's scary paranoia. 3x for galeniko.
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great stuff by gal
shizz made a great post too
Ockham's razor
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WTF, this isn't the post of a man basking in the glow of HRT. You've begun coming off, I take it?
Also, please don't insinuate violence against me again (fist fucking is a very violent act that can cause permanent damage) -- the authorities that you seem to think occasionally monitor your online activity (hence your endless wave of deleting posts like a bipolar person) may take it as a sign of recividism.
p.s. Do they give you a curfew? ;D
this will be the withdrawals :D
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ta took steroids
he suffered badly from estrogen sides see pic
bit hypocritical trolling other people for doing it
gal is sensible enough to put his health first
he will still look better natural than most of the board
yeah,im sorry to not carry on and not becoming another statistic for the entertainment of 1 day. :D
yah ppl will still say all drugs even when im fully natty :D
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hulkotron,its almost pointless to have a discussion with the senile child affinitate vince
You not only give bad advice but are a despicable human being. Congratulations.
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great stuff by gal
shizz made a great post too
Stop being so fucking nice. ;D
But yes, Gali is great addition to the board and one of the most honest people you will find.
Shizzo made a great post? Jesus, this is monumental. Bigger than Mandela's death. We knew he had it in him!
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Wish you good health gal.
I'm naturalol other than couple oral legal designer cycles (epistane etc) and plan to stay 100% natural for life. 32 now so health is important, I actually go to the doctor regularly now for checkups and everything is normal.
As long as you don't need to compete or impress males or gay males with huge muscles, natural is fine for the whores. Even on extreme low cal low carb galeniko diet the muscle doesn't go away. Maybe just loses fullness.
Like no one said, losing muscle tissue is lot harder than people think.
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recidivism
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gal is one of the best people here
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hulkotron,its almost pointless to have a discussion with the senile child affinitate vince
Yeah I know I just like to highlight what a nincompoop he is for other viewers :D
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reeves used ped
this was directly from vince g. and armand t.
Two steroid users accused Reeves of using drugs. ::)There are pictures of Reeves at 16 with muscles. During World War II serving his country he was built. Was he using then? Soldiers during World War II nick named him the shape. He had was in shape for decades until his health started to fail him. He was adamantly against drugs. There are people born with superior genetics who train hard that have a good build.
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You not only give bad advice but are a despicable human being. Congratulations.
Galeniko is a great stand up dude and gives great advice. He has helped countless guys on here lose weight. Just look up the legendary thread. :)
The guy has helped me and I can't thank him enough.
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these were two old guys who were dying
they both told me to my face
what did they have to gain?
no shame in him using
considering the greatest used and use
what next? reg and arnold being life time naturals too?
come on
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Complete shit. Look at every x olympia contender. None of them have a respectable shape OFF and you think average gym rat Joe will? There's no such thing as a good physique natural. The best you can hope for is to look athletic whatever the hell that means anymore.
So everyone who has muscles at a low body fat percentage is using drugs? You're a nut. I guess lifting doesn't work with drugs. It's a complete waste of time.
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Some just can't see the forest for the trees
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If I had to estimate, Gal has a good number of IQ points on the OP. Gal's ability to write and express himself, including the use of subtlety, irony, etc., in written English is impressive for a non-native speaker. His speaking ability, as demonstrated in the videos, was not as good, but still probably much better than most on here could do in a foreign language.
Not to mention that Gal hasn't posted in any threads advocating pedophilia.
aw thanks, :D
hm this advocating peofilia thing maybe needs looking into further, theres no sane reason, no excuse ever to advocate it.
@anabolhalo, you can upset the kidney on any dose, if you torture it too much.
as said previously, many are more lucky than smart, when shooting up the bunk underdosed test, if its legit, 250 week is plenty much, its what 5-10 times the production of a normal male.
lets state anothe rexample, raise the testosterone in a female by the facor 10 and see what happens, shwe will grow moustache witin a weekdeep voice etc,those are heavy cosmetical changes, lets not even go into the inside of the body.her clit will turn into a mini penis, something vince basile carries in his pants.
or another one, increase the estrogen by factor 10in a male with no increase to the testosterone levels and see what happens.
Yeah I know I just like to highlight what a nincompoop he is for other viewers :D
haha, yeah ok, before someone else thinks hes having a point.lol at no steroid studies on trainers.oh brother, germany, easter germany had it down to literaly science.just one example.
lol, dr fuentes the bycycle teams doctor, he could write whole 10000pagers ont he matter,they did freaking epo blood transfusions.
So everyone who has muscles at a low body fat percentage is using drugs? You're a nut. I guess lifting doesn't work with drugs. It's a complete waste of time.
(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/IMG_1485_zps89557905.jpg) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/IMG_1485_zps89557905.jpg.html)
completely natural.
10+ years of training, this is the very best i can do, could go bit leaner, but thats maintainable everyday natural lok for me.
is it worth it?
hell yes, its better than many of those all life nattie clowns out there.solid guns lean as big as a human head.good enough
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/12/george-michael-nearly-died-streptococcus-pneumonia.html
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It's so sad that the young people on this board are so pro drug use. I have been around this game for a long time. I was in college70's and early 80's and many of my friends were competing bodybuilders. Two that I know are dead. When ever I run into any of them it's disgusting how out of shape they are in. They consider working out a waste of time without the drug assist. They also look like they never worked out in their life. Life naturally. Do cardio and eat right most of the time. You will be healthy and look great.
Bodybuilding could be the shining example of strength and health instead of the laughing stock of temporary muscle drug using weirdos. Lastly you are not natural if you are taking pictures in between cycles of juicing.
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Gal's ability to write and express himself, including the use of subtlety, irony, etc., in written English is impressive for a non-native speaker. His speaking ability, as demonstrated in the videos, was not as good, but still probably much better than most on here could do in a foreign language.
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x 100!
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That's a great everyday look.
Would NOT want to get stuck in that lift with a fat, smelly fuck!
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I respect oldtimer
I just do NOT trust people who preach life time natural.
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gal is pretty much the opposite of 'all drugs', he's about low doses and discipline instead of mega abuse, perma bulking and then running 150mg tren, 200mcg T3 and enough clen to kill cardiac tissue in an attempt to drop weight without dieting.
why not do 200mg test + 200mg of nandrolone? That's pretty much what HIV patients get (got) put on and they are much more 'delicate' than healthy individuals.. they also get given massive doses of HGH but that's another story.
I don't think 1-2cc's a week would have any real health risks, Gal's diet and smoking would probably give him worse numbers.. also doing cardio 30 mins ED fairly hard, keeping stress low and eating enough healthy fats would help.
At the end of the day numbers are just numbers.. Gal, did you find out if the eGFR (kidney) was artificially low because of post workout muscle damage + protein? they just estimate that number (hence the 'e') off BUN etc and they assume those based on a fat average sedentary person with no muscle tissue breakdown..
ah very good post, finaly someone pointing out the diference in nice good wordings.
ofc the smoking is no good.
and ofc the dieting has actualy itself been bit the problem, rather than the cutting down with tren and t3(which i never would do,which will lead to more complications),so the opposite of all drugs, the sheer willpower was bit too much.sometime ppl have a willpower thats too strong for their own good.
btw cardio i do, and wanted to point out, the one most biggest factor was going to gym every single day year in year out.days off are important and days off means no cardio either.forgot to list that above.
the bun was too high no discusion about it,as in no doubt, even everything like protein breakdown calculated into it.
i know how to recover it,though.
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That's pretty good for a natural .
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Arce, You don't believe that someone is into fitness for life of lifting and cardio? I would never call myself a bodybuilder. I do consider myself a pursuer of elite fitness. I can't do what I use to do but I'm still trying.
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love you no homo,just bit estro post cycle ;D
That's pretty good for a natural .
yah when you have the god given structure ,cant fail :D
you do look better than that,though, but does it mean youd be better juiced vs juiced?
ha,the speculation.yes, most commonly, the natty vs natty better one will only blow out the other even worse out of the water when both jump on gear.
sure thats not what many want to hear, but its consistent with uhm,reality.
cheers che :D
. I do consider myself a pursuer of elite fitness.
oldtimer, i really like you,lol, but this part has me almsot pissing myself from laughing hahahahah ;D
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so the opposite of all drugs, the sheer willpower was bit too much.sometime ppl have a willpower thats too strong for their own good.
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this
same with people who have anorexia they will starve to zero percent body fat and still think that they are too fat
that is super will power
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I just do NOT trust people who preach life time natural.
Fuck you Arce.
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I love you too brother gal
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oldtimer not talking about you
talking about people like reeves, pearl, park, grimek, etc
che, I love you too brother
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you do look better than that,though,
Not really , shape (me) vs size (gal)
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che got any pics of your wife's ass you can throw up?
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love you no homo,just bit estro post cycle ;D
yah when you have the god given structure ,cant fail :D
you do look better than that,though, but does it mean youd be better juiced vs juiced?
ha,the speculation.yes, most commonly, the natty vs natty better one will only blow out the other even worse out of the water when both jump on gear.
sure thats not what many want to hear, but its consistent with uhm,reality.
cheers che :D
oldtimer, i really like you,lol, but this part has me almsot pissing myself from laughing hahahahah ;D
Why is that Gal? I use to string together low 5 minute miles running while being able to post respectable lifting totals. I would never consider what I do now to be impressive to a 20 something but in the mid 50's age bracket I can't beat most of my age group. I made my living because of my physical attributes spending 28 years in military boots in an elite unit. All I can say is as you kids say, Whatever. Take your drugs and use your rationalization that everyone uses drugs as your crutch. Just know in the end you are using because of a lack of self esteem and a little boy that wants to be recognized as a man.
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che got any pics of your wife's ass you can throw up?
Just one pic I don't want to hijack Gal's thread
(http://p.twimg.com/AzLBAKwCIAAQoQN.jpg:large)
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shizz made a great post too
Ockham's razor
indeed, kinda made up for all the neg previous points.
and haha, let me quote ueber man gaain, since the thread is gone,lol, this was hilaripus
So I just received a pm from true anus
« on: Today at 02:31:43 PM »
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Out of the blue today i received this nonsensical pm from adam.
I think it pretty much sums everything there is to know about him.
Dude i m not your e friend, never been and will never be, i have better things to do than playing your stupid internet games which says a lot about how miserable your real life is, and my name is not "raymond", dont know where you got that stupid crap from again or why anyone would do the kind of stupid shit you do online with complete strangers. Just to think you spend so much time playing lame mind...wait KEYBOARD games and pretending to collect stuff on people...it's ridiculous just the thought of it, it gets borderline histerical when you re completely wrong and obviously feel like sherlock holmes at the same time.
You always struck me as a fake dude who spends more time pretending to be smart, acting as if he was smart, spending a huge amount of energy doing so, than being a real smart person to say it like it is. It s just a persona you built, something you have to prove even online to strangers for some reasons. Obviously when you deal with real smart people who also have heart, something you dont, you start acting all crazy wanting to prove stuff...dude, i dont give a fuck who you are, what you think, and i dont need anyone help aproval on a fucking internet messageboard. You never came up with anything of your own -but that stupid calorie is a calorie crap- cause you dont care about anyone but yourself, cause you re not "that smart", you dont care about others only pretend to, and only to backstab them at any given opportunity later when you collected enough infos on them; with friends or e friends like this, who needs enemies. Probably reproducing subconsciously the way your parents interacted with each others and with you tho.
Lol at trying to take sides "forcing" others to take sides on a fucking internet messageboard with your pathetic private messaged conspiracies / machinations, with your "virtual intimidations". Just showing you re as insecure as the people you despise ironically.
Also I dont wish troubles on anyone contrary to you, i just tell people what i think is good and what is evil hoping to save them from themselves. I read thru their bullshits and expose them cause i dont want anyone else to be lured, fooled and to follow in their steps. I dont give a fuck about groink or galeniko, they are who they are, if they keep doing the stupid stuff i point and pointed to, they ll get burned, that's about it. I m more interested in seeing them change their ways over time than seeing them fail. Same goes with wiggs , alex go4it etc Its better to be told some truths on the internet than having to face their consequencies in real life with real people. I see getbig as a place where people deal with their problems and try to overcome them, whatever the amount of time it takes and whatever the amount of written slaps it requires. I abhor conflict and shit starters like you, i abhor taking side with someone in order to fight against someone else, i want everyone to better their lives in everyone's interest not just mine.
I gain respect defending my beliefs without siding with anyone whatever the cost, cause what matters to me is the truth. And it works even if it s hard cause my beliefs are the right ones. They re not exactly mine by the way, more like stuff i learned from others. I just selected them and removed the rest.
We have no common ground on anything and i dont need any common ground with anyone on here, it s just a fucking internet message board to me, but apparently you do need it cause it's so important to you. You re a cynical egocentrical scared insecure self proclaimed smartass who doesnt want to help anyone, and even if you wanted to, you wouldnt have what it takes anyway.
Dude get some kids maybe you ll do something better of your spare time. I have no time to waste with you and your childish nonsensical e-games. I have nothing to learn from you, it s probably quite the exact oposite.
lol ;D
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Not really , shape (me) vs size (gal)
fair enough, i wouldnt mind if it was the other way :D
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Why is that Gal? I use to string together low 5 minute miles running while being able to post respectable lifting totals. I would never consider what I do now to be impressive to a 20 something but in the mid 50's age bracket I can't beat most of my age group. I made my living because of my physical attributes spending 28 years in military boots in an elite unit. All I can say is as you kids say, Whatever. Take your drugs and use your rationalization that everyone uses drugs as your crutch. Just know in the end you are using because of a lack of self esteem and a little boy that wants to be recognized as a man.
nah man, its just the elite fitness part ;D
i never took this lifting stuff very serious, thats why elite, "giving it all" etc sounds funny to me.
no offense, youre one of my top10 ppl i enjoy reading posts btw 8)
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I love the part where Gal is explaining to his disciples how having a clean blood report isn't proof that everything is okay. What a bunch of irresponsible gurus. People come to Getbig to get info on how to get big. They listen to guys who got results. Heck, novices don't think they will be on dialysis anytime soon. The whole cult is contaminated with broscience. Proceed at your own risk.
Galeniko tried the drug route and now he wants to keep his kidneys. I understand that part. So why even elaborate any info about drugs when the consequences are so devastating? That is what I don't understand.
Gal might be knowledgeable about losing body fat but that is a different enterprise as long as drugs are avoided.
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I love the part where Gal is explaining to his disciples how having a clean blood report isn't proof that everything is okay. What a bunch of irresponsible gurus. People come to Getbig to get info on how to get big. They listen to guys who got results. Heck, novices don't think they will be on dialysis anytime soon. The whole cult is contaminated with broscience. Proceed at your own risk.
Galeniko tried the drug route and now he wants to keep his kidneys. I understand that part. So why even elaborate any info about drugs when the consequences are so devastating? That is what I don't understand.
Gal might be knowledgeable about losing body fat but that is a different enterprise as long as drugs are avoided.
What's the Getbig jpeg for an ear trumpet?
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bunch of morons playing with there life..you do know you only live once right? you cant fuck up in this life and try again..just saying....gal..will you continue to speak in the third person after you lose your precious roid muscles and super lean look? get your head out of your ass and snap out of it douche... ;D
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WTF, this isn't the post of a man basking in the glow of HRT. You've begun coming off, I take it?
Also, please don't insinuate violence against me again (fist fucking is a very violent act that can cause permanent damage) -- the authorities that you seem to think occasionally monitor your online activity (hence your endless wave of deleting posts like a bipolar person) may take it as a sign of recividism.
p.s. Do they give you a curfew? ;D
nono, i must get back at this, the suggestion was you do it to yourself,im no violent man ;D
aw,yah, the athorities..they monitor everything these days.
ok, that was overreaction to a failry provocative invite.
@vince basile:you fat senile sack of shit, see the natural pic, all the same lean, losing bodyfat is losing bodyfat.the difference natural or not is minimal
only when comes insulin it becomes very different.
bunch of morons playing with there life..you do know you only live once right? you cant fuck up in this life and try again..just saying....gal..will you continue to speak in the third person after you lose your precious roid muscles and super lean look? get your head out of your ass and snap out of it douche... ;D
ill refer to the past as the artist formerly know gal :D
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hey basile, you turd, mongoloid, unwished misccariage offspring, way to take out sayings out of context.
go play bit around with you safety fat, haha, milk your nipples, asshole
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What a vulgar human being this galeniko is! He is definitely not an highly educated person.
Here I am after training for 5 years and going to university. Drugs were considered dangerous and cheating in those days.
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What a vulgar human being this galeniko is! He is definitely not an highly educated person.
Here I am after training for 5 years and going to university. Drugs were considered dangerous and cheating in those days.
You look like dog shit. One of the worst natural physiques I've ever seen.
What you?
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What a vulgar human being this galeniko is! He is definitely not an highly educated person.
Here I am after training for 5 years and going to university. Drugs were considered dangerous and cheating in those days.
is this before you started lifting or after?
its impossible to tell ???
why are you holding your arms up?did the armpits need bit fresh air?
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Basile you should share you back routine with gal... yours looks better natural than his does loaded with steroids and gh.
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Basile you should share you back routine with gal... yours looks better natural than his does loaded with steroids and gh.
yeah show me the ways
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(http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab297/starscream28/20130922_050447_zpsf6d7e481.jpg) (http://s873.photobucket.com/user/starscream28/media/20130922_050447_zpsf6d7e481.jpg.html)
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lol, vince, brutal "wheels" hahaha, a bit too cut for my liking haha.
if it werent for the face in the pics, itd be impossible if they belong to male or female.(teenagers)
brutal 14inch toothpicks for arms, and most importantly, how do you look in this current century-millenium?hahahaha
do you often spontaneusly fart after biting the pillow and being manhandled?
oh and is that your uhm, leanest or something?this supposed to be "In shape"?
in the 21th century this is off season conditioning.
anything else so "!impressive" you done some almost 100years ago?maybe something before ww2?
see, che is natural and looks great ill say so, no problem.
you look like shit, do you realize tennis players have bigger and more defined legs these days?
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Just one pic I don't want to hijack Gal's thread
(http://p.twimg.com/AzLBAKwCIAAQoQN.jpg:large)
:o
what you????
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:o
what you????
You can always count on che to deliver, a real straight shooter.
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Gal,
I hope all is well mate, I didn't know you had a kidney issue. Your a great guy, don't mess up please, your one of my fave posters here.
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Yea very scary had kidney stones starting nov 4th just getting better been to the hospital a lot
all I can say, is that the back pain from this, has been the worst pain in my life
and I was an athlete I blew out both knees, broken many bones, had many a surgery,
this was horrific
glad that gal and I are getting through this
thanks QB
you are a true friend
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pretty much.
astonishing that out of all ppl ,shizzo kept the rationale, and has unblurred vision of things.
the walking round all year in a shape most dont even hit on contest day is bit too much.
maybe the best post of you this whole year.haha
hulkotron,its almost pointless to have a discussion with the senile child affinitate vince
Not being funny but your hyping yourself up way too much. You were ripped but not pro level showday ripped.
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Not being funny but your hyping yourself up way too much. You were ripped but not pro level showday ripped.
I don't think he meant pro level. He said that most dont even hit on contest day.
It could be local contests, and there are a lot of people who can't get that lean.
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Not being funny but your hyping yourself up way too much. You were ripped but not pro level showday ripped.
ah we have a jester here, who said pro level?you taking the olympia as benchmark?
been to regional shows and national shows and see the competitors upclose right next to you?
at the very worst it was 2 weeks out
I don't think he meant pro level. He said that most dont even hit on contest day.
It could be local contests, and there are a lot of people who can't get that lean.
exact
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What a vulgar human being this galeniko is! He is definitely not an highly educated person.
Here I am after training for 5 years and going to university. Drugs were considered dangerous and cheating in those days.
gals physique smashes that by a mile
you used dbol old man so you are in no position to preach
and you used your wife as a drugs mule
what you :-*
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ah we have a jester here, who said pro level?you taking the olympia as benchmark?
been to regional shows and national shows and see the competitors upclose right next to you?
at the very worst it was 2 weeks out
exact
Being am and looking am is ok. But being am and looking pro is impressive. Theres millions of people who look like gal. Its nothing special hence why i said you hype your self up.
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Galeniko is very careful with the dosages he ever used. I can vouch galeniko was very against high doses, HGH,Insulin,Synthol,crazy high doses, he also knew how to run a cycle where you don't need huge dosages. The key is to actually do alot of cardio and start your cycle when your around the 5-7% BF level and just a HRT dose should help you gain alot of pure muscle,no water. I almost thought this thread was a joke. I didn't read anything about a bad kidney till just now. I was away for thanksgiving and have not been on the board much. galeniko is good people. he is not some careless shitbag like derek anthony. derek had it coming to him but galeniko does not deserve any bad health problems. How bad is it? I guess your sick of hearing that question,hope it all works out in the end.
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I debated steroids with Ray Mentzer when he and his family stayed at my place. He quipped that they were merely gonad stimulators. Ray was on dialysis and died at 47 in 2001. I wonder how long some of the heroes here will live. Good luck fellas.
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gals physique smashes that by a mile
you used dbol old man so you are in no position to preach
and you used your wife as a drugs mule
what you :-*
It's fuck you, not what you. :D
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gals physique smashes that by a mile
you used dbol old man so you are in no position to preach
and you used your wife as a drugs mule
what you :-*
vince basile did this? What a creep!
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Let's give popular Galeniko the benefit of the doubt and assume he was smart, informed, monitored, and avoided heavy and long term doses. If this wise and careful guy has to go off then what about those not so informed? His example proves that these drugs are dangerous and side affects can accumulate over time.
If he was so careful and under medical supervision then how come he ended up where he is with serious concerns about his kidneys? Unless he is atypical we have to conclude there is no safety in anabolic steroids and other agents promoting muscular growth.
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Let's give popular Galeniko the benefit of the doubt and assume he was smart, informed, monitored, and avoided heavy and long term doses. If this wise and careful guy has to go off then what about those not so informed? His example proves that these drugs are dangerous and side affects can accumulate over time.
If he was so careful and under medical supervision then how come he ended up where he is with serious concerns about his kidneys? Unless he is atypical we have to conclude there is no safety in anabolic steroids and other agents promoting muscular growth.
I think he made smart decisions when using AAS. I never have read any posts by galeniko where he advised or talked about using any crazy dosages or compounds.You can't blame everything on steroids or anything else that might be bad about his lifestyle.
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Let's give popular Galeniko the benefit of the doubt and assume he was smart, informed, monitored, and avoided heavy and long term doses. If this wise and careful guy has to go off then what about those not so informed? His example proves that these drugs are dangerous and side affects can accumulate over time.
If he was so careful and under medical supervision then how come he ended up where he is with serious concerns about his kidneys? Unless he is atypical we have to conclude there is no safety in anabolic steroids and other agents promoting muscular growth.
How much does a second hand kidney cost in europe?
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I think he made smart decisions when using AAS. I never have read any posts by galeniko where he advised or talked about using any crazy dosages or compounds.You can't blame everything on steroids or anything else that might be bad about his lifestyle.
According to your logic one can be smart but unlucky when it comes to growth drugs? Galeniko's words suggest bodybuilders play kidney roulette and come to grief eventually. Luke Wood was a nice guy but was unlucky.
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What the fuck is going on in this thread? Has EVERYONE gone fucking NUTS?
Let me put this straight idiots, if you truly believe that 250mg/week of testosterone can give you any health issues, even in the long run then you are nuts. What do we really know about Galeniko's health? All we have is one lab test that is by no means a diagnosis. And even assuming that he indeed has kindey problems, there is a myriad of things that could have caused them. And yes, including genetic factors. I would like to remind all of you that there are people out there that have natural levels of testosterone that equivalent of 200mg of testosterone weekly. It's rare but I do know one of them. This is not even on the list of things that can cause renal failure, period.
Secondly, there are dozens of different anabolics and not all of them can cause everything. "Anabolics can cause kidney failure" makes just as much sense as "painkillers can cause kidney failure". Yes, some of them can. Others won't. Some won't unless taken for a long period of time or in huge dosages.
Why isn't anyone bashing Galeniko for smoking? It is 10x as unhealthy as taking testosterone and is just as likely the cause of his problems. Smoking means elevated blood pressure, elevated blood pressure leads to kidney problems. There you go.
One last thing, to Galeniko. Why the fuck go paranoid over one lab test? Have you even fucking confirmed that something is wrong with your kidneys? Seriously. Testosterone is a natural hormone and won't cause renal failure in small dose. And quit smoking Igor :P
Idiots, idiots everywhere.
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According to your logic one can be smart but unlucky when it comes to growth drugs? Galeniko's words suggest bodybuilders play kidney roulette and come to grief eventually. Luke Wood was a nice guy but was unlucky.
Did Luke died?
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One last thing, to Galeniko. Why the fuck go paranoid over one lab test? Have you even fucking confirmed that something is wrong with your kidneys? Seriously. Testosterone is a natural hormone and won't cause renal failure in small dose.
Galeniko is a sensible guy who researched everything beforehand. We can assume he knows what those test results mean and is being careful.
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Galeniko is a sensible guy who researched everything beforehand. We can assume he knows what those test results mean and is being careful.
x2 vince.
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Did Luke died?
he passed away in 2010. I remember because I met him at the Aussie pro that year and he died a couple of months later. RIP
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Luke was a special guy. Who knows what really happened? He did say that he blamed no one for health problems. On one occasion he misread the dose and took 10 times what was prescribed! That didn't help and he didn't blame Milos. Luke was 32 I believe. A real shame.
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Comparing Luke Woood to Galeniko is like comparing heroin junkie to me because I smoke marijuanna occasionally.
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Luke was a special guy. Who knows what really happened? He did say that he blamed no one for health problems. On one occasion he misread the dose and took 10 times what was prescribed! That didn't help and he didn't blame Milos. Luke was 32 I believe. A real shame.
I read he was very trusting and a very nice guy. If he misread Milo's dosage then thats devastating. I probably hold Milo's partly responsible because he should have been more caring and monitored Luke more closely.
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No comparison intended. Just a comment about being unlucky which both were. That is what most people want to believe.
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Luke was a special guy. Who knows what really happened? He did say that he blamed no one for health problems. On one occasion he misread the dose and took 10 times what was prescribed! That didn't help and he didn't blame Milos. Luke was 32 I believe. A real shame.
Same age as DA
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Same age as DA
Very sad
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I read he was very trusting and a very nice guy. If he misread Milo's dosage then thats devastating. I probably hold Milo's partly responsible because he should have been more caring and monitored Luke more closely.
You got Luke right. Milos is a true guru but he shook his head many times because his disciples wouldn't follow exactly what he advised. Luke ruined his kidneys by taking 10 times the recommended dosage of a powerful drug. That is easy to do if you aren't knowledgeable about pharmacology. People say that diuretics can compound damage. I am not a doctor so that is speculation.
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You got Luke right. Milos is a true guru but he shook his head many times because his disciples wouldn't follow exactly what he advised. Luke ruined his kidneys by taking 10 times the recommended dosage of a powerful drug. That is easy to do if you aren't knowledgeable about pharmacology. People say that diuretics can compound damage. I am not a doctor so that is speculation.
Poor Luke and poor Derek. Both are casualties of this obsessive unhealthy sport. Derek didn't compete and he looked better in a suit than in a singlet all tatted up. He didn't need to be so big and lean all year round year after year. I remember reading Derek's training thread over at rxmuscle and he ate so clean and was always doing regular cardio. He was dedicated and lived the lifestyle. But pushing the envelope year after year to look this way took its toll on his body. Poor guy didn't realise that he was so much more than muscles. I wish he had got out of this sport when Dave Palumbo threw him under the bus on radio show. Derek was too good for leeches like that. He should have got out.
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How did luke die? kidney or liver..he was a great guy, he would always make time for anyone that wanted a pic with him.
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How did luke die? kidney or liver..he was a great guy, he would always make time for anyone that wanted a pic with him.
Probably steroids not sure I didnt know he died.
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How did luke die? kidney or liver..he was a great guy, he would always make time for anyone that wanted a pic with him.
He had a kidney transplant and died shortly afterwards. Not sure if the body rejected it or he got an infection?
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I note vince the patronising cu nt basille
is ignoring his own steroid use
basille was removed from Canada for transporting his dianabol in his wives anus
the guy is scum
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I note vince the patronising cu nt basille
is ignoring his own steroid use
basille was removed from Canada for transporting his dianabol in his wives anus
the guy is scum
And got banned on Ironage for handy out candy.
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You got Luke right. Milos is a true guru but he shook his head many times because his disciples wouldn't follow exactly what he advised. Luke ruined his kidneys by taking 10 times the recommended dosage of a powerful drug. That is easy to do if you aren't knowledgeable about pharmacology. People say that diuretics can compound damage. I am not a doctor so that is speculation.
What the fuck are yo talking about? Do you even know what drug that was? And how do you know this one singular event was the cause of his kidney failure?
You're just a dumb, poorly educated, lonely old man pulling shit out of your ass.
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I note vince the patronising cu nt basille
is ignoring his own steroid use
basille was removed from Canada for transporting his dianabol in his wives anus
the guy is scum
Now that's love. :D
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Now that's love. :D
love is taking a big dump on your chest
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love is taking a big dump on your chest
You are a sick little boy
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You are a sick little boy
why? the internet is full of scat movies, its nothing wrong with it , u dont have to deny, were in 2013, not in black ages
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I read he was very trusting and a very nice guy. If he misread Milo's dosage then thats devastating. I probably hold Milo's partly responsible because he should have been more caring and monitored Luke more closely.
luke wasnt a little kid. He took massive amounts of drugs before he met milos so he knew what to take and what doses can be dangerous. He knew how much cytomel a ifbb pro on his soze can take and im sure he had tried it alot of times before so if he followed milos dosages IF the where insanely higher than what he was use to take he knew the danger and and its his own fault he followed it..if a guy asks you to drink 1 gallon of vodka and you are so stupid thst you do it you hsve only yourself to blame. He was a grown man and no one held a gun to his head. And i dont think he misread the dosages cause as i said he would have known if it was 10x higher than he used to do and not a good idea. What could have happen snd luke himself said if if i dont remember wrong is that he tough the pills contained much less cytomel th3äen they where.
If thats just a poor excuse i dont know
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why? the internet is full of scat movies, its nothing wrong with it , u dont have to deny, were in 2013, not in black ages
I will stick to a good thriller. I don't need to be up to date with all the sick depraved stuff out there currently.
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I will stick to a good thriller. I don't need to be up to date with all the sick depraved stuff out there currently.
but u are the sick depraved stuff here, i think we re in the midle of a paradox
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luke wasnt a little kid. He took massive amounts of drugs before he met milos so he knew what to take and what doses can be dangerous. He knew how much cytomel a ifbb pro on his soze can take and im sure he had tried it alot of times before so if he followed milos dosages IF the where insanely higher than what he was use to take he knew the danger and and its his own fault he followed it..if a guy asks you to drink 1 gallon of vodka and you are so stupid thst you do it you hsve only yourself to blame. He was a grown man and no one held a gun to his head. And i dont think he misread the dosages cause as i said he would have known if it was 10x higher than he used to do and not a good idea. What could have happen snd luke himself said if if i dont remember wrong is that he tough the pills contained much less cytomel th3äen they where.
If thats just a poor excuse i dont know
Like so many he didn't think too far ahead.
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Like so many he didn't think too far ahead.
all for a plastic trophy =/
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You can always count on che to deliver, a real straight shooter.
che dont play rains down ownings every single day.
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luke wasnt a little kid. He took massive amounts of drugs before he met milos so he knew what to take and what doses can be dangerous. He knew how much cytomel a ifbb pro on his soze can take and im sure he had tried it alot of times before so if he followed milos dosages IF the where insanely higher than what he was use to take he knew the danger and and its his own fault he followed it..if a guy asks you to drink 1 gallon of vodka and you are so stupid thst you do it you hsve only yourself to blame. He was a grown man and no one held a gun to his head. And i dont think he misread the dosages cause as i said he would have known if it was 10x higher than he used to do and not a good idea. What could have happen snd luke himself said if if i dont remember wrong is that he tough the pills contained much less cytomel th3äen they where.
If thats just a poor excuse i dont know
Wasn't it 10,000x higher? I think he was taking mg of t-3 instead of mcg. Hell...he might have been taking grams of it.
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This whole t3 story is a rumour for fucks sake and it has zero, zit, nothing to do with his kidney failure.
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Wasn't it 10,000x higher? I think he was taking mg of t-3 instead of mcg. Hell...he might have been taking grams of it.
yeah now that you say it it could have beem something crazy like that.
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This whole t3 story is a rumour for fucks sake and it has zero, zit, nothing to do with his kidney failure.
rumor? It waa luke hilself that said that as an excuse why he shrunk so much last weeks in his last comp if i dont remember wrong but im 90% sure it was him. But many people blaimed milos for for the fiasco so he tool the fall. And no one have here said that it was the t3 he doed off...my grammar in english sucks so maybe it looks like that lol
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rumor? It waa luke hilself that said that as an excuse why he shrunk so much last weeks in his last comp if i dont remember wrong but im 90% sure it was him. But many people blaimed milos for for the fiasco so he tool the fall. And no one have here said that it was the t3 he doed off...my grammar in english sucks so maybe it looks like that lol
Has he said that on record? Do you have any link to the interview or whatever?
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Has he said that on record? Do you have any link to the interview or whatever?
He said it on off topic radio with Carl Lenore I believe.
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What a vulgar human being this galeniko is! He is definitely not an highly educated person.
Here I am after training for 5 years and going to university. Drugs were considered dangerous and cheating in those days.
and look where all this got you
an old bag of shit posting daily on a bb board among ppl that hate him
true success can be harvested in old age indeed ::)
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and look where all this got you
an old bag of shit posting daily on a bb board among ppl that hate him
true success can be harvested in old age indeed ::)
Lmao Basil getting owned by anabolichalo fella. :)
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ta took steroids
he suffered badly from estrogen sides see pic
bit hypocritical trolling other people for doing it
TA went from 260lbs with a 600lbs deadlift to 160lbs in record time.
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TA went from 260lbs with a 600lbs deadlift to 160lbs in record time.
I have never been 260 lbs in my life.
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Everyone knows that really high blood pressure is a killer on the kidneys. But nobody talks about what the pills that keep the blood pressure under control do to the system. There are no magic pills in life. Does anyone know what these pills and pills like Viagra are going to do to the organs?
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235 lbs of 30 percent plus bodyfat. All Chicken Breast, Protein powder and Pizza. (mostly bodybuilding food though, just in large amounts) I would make 100 gram protein shakes just for fun and have a few with my lbs of beef and chicken. I was trying to forcefeed myself to gain a bit more weight to increase my lifts. I could NEVER break that weight despite eating 4000-6000 calories day in and day out. Its as if I had an absolute limit that I reached. Believe me, I tried. I did want to enter a natural powerlifting event, but they canceled it due to not enough people interested. So there was that.
Power to weight, I am stronger at 160 though vs 235.
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One thing that I will never know and I wish there were some sort of simulation to run instead of actually doing it, is how I would look if I did ever use a steroid. I have no interest in using them, but it would be kind of neat to know what it would look like.
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One thing that I will never know and I wish there were some sort of simulation to run instead of actually doing it, is how I would look if I did ever use a steroid. I have no interest in using them, but it would be kind of neat to know what it would look like.
"I have no interest in using sterons, but I am interested in what it would be like to use sterons"
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Lmao Basil getting owned by anabolichalo fella. :)
just writing down my observations
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"I have no interest in using sterons, but I am interested in what it would be like to use sterons"
No, I have no interest what it would be like "to be on steroids". That part seems the most miserable.
I`d like to know how it would look without doing them. Think of it like this. You are playing Grand Theft Auto V and you have a Benefactor Schafter. You are curious what it would look like if you put fender skirts and a new hood on it, but you are not going to spend the money. So you go to Los Santos Customs and drive in to preview it. You find it interesting, but you drive right out without the mods. But now you know what it looks like without actually going with the mods.
Get it yet?
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One thing that I will never know and I wish there were some sort of simulation to run instead of actually doing it, is how I would look if I did ever use a steroid. I have no interest in using them, but it would be kind of neat to know what it would look like.
bullshit you are on in this pic
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bullshit you are on in this pic
Nope. You must think I am a god or something though if you think that is steroids, so I take it as a compliment.
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gals physique smashes that by a mile
you used dbol old man so you are in no position to preach
and you used your wife as a drugs mule
what you :-*
what?basile used steroids? ;D
my goodness tell more about the drugs mule story, lol this is hilarious, quite the character,haha, vince "escobar" :D
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Being am and looking am is ok. But being am and looking pro is impressive. Theres millions of people who look like gal. Its nothing special hence why i said you hype your self up.
yeah sure there are millions,i see them every day,its a total fad these days
never cared to look impressive to the schmoes, rather cared to look appealing to women.
to each their own 8)
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No, I have no interest what it would be like "to be on steroids". That part seems the most miserable.
I`d like to know how it would look without doing them. Think of it like this. You are playing Grand Theft Auto V and you have a Benefactor Schafter. You are curious what it would look like if you put fender skirts and a new hood on it, but you are not going to spend the money. So you go to Los Santos Customs and drive in to preview it. You find it interesting, but you drive right out without the mods. But now you know what it looks like without actually going with the mods.
Get it yet?
Not sure what all the above nonsense is about. I quit paying video games when I was 12.
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yeah sure there are millions,i see them every day,its a total fad these days
never cared to look impressive to the schmoes, rather cared to look appealing to women.
to each their own 8)
The reason why you stay lean all year round.
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Not sure what all the above nonsense is about. I quit paying video games when I was 12.
That was rather stupid of you to do. Quit just like that. You never got to play anything good. Games are not meant for children anymore at all. Hope this helps.
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That was rather stupid of you to do. Quit just like that. You never got to play anything good. Games are not meant for children anymore at all. Hope this helps.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your adolescent hobbies. Almost as silly as swilling beer and watching grown men prance about a field in tights while cheering them on and gorging your belly with processed foods.
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hey just general thing, there was more than just the initial bloodwork done.
lol, ofc , its nothing like near acute failure, not in any way comparable to pros etc.
it goes like this, if you carry on its a safe way to dialysys eventualy, those are the exact words of the doctor.
its the very first slight signs of chronical problem, nothing acute.it hasnt shrunk, when a kidney has shrunk, youre fucked.
hence, there is no carrying on.
and yeah i asked but hey only 250week is this possible, the guy looked at me like i was the biggest moron worldwide and says ofc its possible.
theres various factors, age etc.and some people react very sensibly to gear, some get harsh sides very early on.
me, id get brutal bloodpressure issues at merely 500mg week,even on dead clean diet, ppl know im very serious about diet.
so, think of this, if you sensible and great responder to low doses, this is common(usualy ppl respond better to low doses than to high doses mg per mg)and have 250 weekly, and eat a not so good diet, you will get high blood pressure.this wont show immediately in the kidney parameters(this what i mean when i say an ok bloodwork result doesnt mean everything), but it will do you kidneys in over time, thats what they call chronical failure.,happens very slowly.
now, well,think of it, some get high bloodpressure on whatever dose(have you ppl checked blood pressure after cheat meals?do it sometime.or better after cheat days),250,750, a gramm, doesn tmatter.
whatever the dosage is for the individual, imagine running this years non stop, with elevated blood pressure for a good percentage of the time.
this is precisely how stuff happens.
cant just say nah 250 wont do nothing.ofc its safe to say that 250 wont do much damage if its a 2months cycle on clean diet.
some get gyno from 250 weekly, a big fucking tumor, some dont get itchy nipples until 1500mg weekly.
some get hairloss from test in the very first week, on 250, i seen it happening in person.
so, the correct wording is 250 week is kinda minimizing the risk and can be run forever, but its not totaly idiot proof.
The reason why you stay lean all year round.
yah, and hate the bloaty face first and foremost.
and i got no problems to admit, if i try to play "size game" the gut and obliques will outgrow everything else.they are the "best" bodyparts,lol, best response by far :D
too bad its the 2 areas where one doesnt want any groth at all :-X
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With me already losing bodyfat...FAST...my girl has started to keep a close eye on me.
;D
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"I have no interest in using sterons, but I am interested in what it would be like to use sterons"
just yesterday, i met some woman, we talked randomly a bit, she says shes very horny so and so many days after the mens etc, she talked about the isue to such an extent that it became repetive and boring even to me.
i asked her but surely she wonders if the grass is greener elsewhere than compared to home.
she says shed never do that, but then went on how she goes to parade down the city to see if men watch her, claims it feels good to know she could if she wanted.
would never cheat on hubby she said and then few seconds later asked if i want to go to toilet with her.i ask why do you need someone to hold your euders.she says nah i got a bra for that purpose.
we exchanged numbers later on.
ok, adonis, what would happen on steroids, depends, its rather a journey, not a one time explosive gain.
at the beginning most will find pleasure in bulking not realizing how out of shape they get, this is followed by a time where they want gain some more before cutting down.for many,this state becomes permanent.
some others dont like the sides or are disapointed in the results bc it takes hard work nonetheless.
and some few manage to diet down and get the look they dreamt of.
while others think the sky is the limit and start a competitive "career".
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SKY IS THE LIMIT
Starting slin....wooooosh
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My BP stays in range on 1/2 a tab of lisinopril ED provided I don't eat over 50gs of carbs and don't get over 220lbs, but yeah that's the real killer. 2 decades of elevated BP plus sugar issues is going to wreck a lot of long time users.
I take a day off before and after leg day to prevent over training.. I think you like long 2 hour sessions too, that's what probably causes the problems.. lots of sets = lots of muscle breakdown for the kidneys to process (and dehydration cant help)
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gal
do you think being dry all the time for that ripped look has anything to do with it
it must be hard to stay hydrated that ripped
especially if taking cafeine and no carbs
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Nope. You must think I am a god or something though if you think that is steroids, so I take it as a compliment.
i think you are the best get bigger ever 8)
but i also think you are full of shit
you are on something in these pics
you are fat and solid doesnt happen naturally
ultimately who gives a fuck you dont even look like you train now
but you did get in tremendous shape in the past
so props for that :)
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My BP stays in range on 1/2 a tab of lisinopril ED provided I don't eat over 50gs of carbs and don't get over 220lbs, but yeah that's the real killer. 2 decades of elevated BP plus sugar issues is going to wreck a lot of long time users.
I take a day off before and after leg day to prevent over training.. I think you like long 2 hour sessions too, that's what probably causes the problems.. lots of sets = lots of muscle breakdown for the kidneys to process (and dehydration cant help)
i see you know well what its about.
i now take days off the gym no matter what.the permanent high volume training with 50 sets yes i did that every day per bodypart is too taxing long term.
and yes, bodyweight, dont matter if its fat or muscle,if its too much,its too much.
now the days after legs and back are off days period, no negations about that.
ofc training more often one simply will be more shredded, thats the experience, but well, the pric is bit high, even a set of healthy kideys will run into its limits when theres too much rpotein breakdown, which happens precisely on harsh diet and loads of training,as you pointed out.
im glad i never had blod pressure issues,expect after huge meals somewhat, but the idiots who overeat on cabrs over and over are all working towards insulin resistance and the followup issues.
basicaly its as simple as that, if the blood pressure is fine, all will be good.
thats easy said, but the reality is steroids will make bp skyrocket like nothing, its in their very nature and "purpose".
for me the issue was the too much breakdown, im very happy to not be the blood pressure kind of issues guy.
good point on the dehydration,when very lean, the day post carbing up,its scary how fast the water goes away,makes you think its not normal to drink so much water.
pissing alot can also mean diabetes is kicking in,many will think pissing alot means kidney problems,nah,its more a sign of diabetes possibilty.
aned thats very hard to find with just regular bloodwork, just checking glucose levels,even throughout the day doesnt say much about the state or risk of diabetes.
diabetes is reserved for those who permananetly overet on carbs ,though.
gal
do you think being dry all the time for that ripped look has anything to do with it
it must be hard to stay hydrated that ripped
especially if taking cafeine and no carbs
see above.
it can be done but its a very tight act
esp when going all they lean, at the end, the weirdst things happen.
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So how is Galeniko doing?
Everything alright? I dont have time to read through this whole thread, thanks :)
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i think you are the best get bigger ever 8)
but i also think you are full of shit
you are on something in these pics
you are fat and solid doesnt happen naturally
ultimately who gives a fuck you dont even look like you train now
but you did get in tremendous shape in the past
so props for that :)
If I posted a picture now, you would just accuse me of the same thing. How do I know? Because I look the same as I always do and you posted the same thing then when those pictures were posted. So what would change? Nothing. Therefore, it really does not matter what I post or don`t post. Besides, asking for my picture is more than you can expect from me right now. You are partway in the doghouse so to speak. That could all change however.
I have never stopped training and I currently eat around 2500-3000 calories. I have never missed a workout and never have taken any time off from training. I never will either.
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ok say the location cooordinates, make sure to wear the tap out dress and you can bring your boyfriend along too
ready when you are,ballchoker
halo, today having very moody day, tone down the provocations :D
what i said is the first cycle will be the best if done right.biggest jump,entering a new zone.
the difference will be plenty of lbs more muscle at leanest vs leanest.
but running a gramm for years will produce those same gains on top of that,maybe even more.
therefore, the difference to natty will be remarkable.
but the first cycle will be the biggest jump, which isnt exactly hard, seeing how natural compares to small dose.its like being supercharged.
on a gramm, its like supercharged+turbo or nitrous.
250-500 ump will give another solid gains, and the 500-1000step yet another, but nothing will compare mg per mg to the first initial jumping on gear.simply bc its entering a new world, whereas later,its just upping the boost, so to say.
the ppl on a gramm, those will deserve the "all drugs" tag somewhat, they wont look nothing alike when off.
this explained good enough?
The "location coordinates"? Some big words coming from a low level moron. I live in Cleveland, Ohio. Okay? But don't go to the trouble. You're doing a good job killing yourself with no help. Why don't you forward me the location cooridinates" of the public cemetary in whatever shit town you live so I can be sure to piss on your grave.
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gal... was it only doctor visit results, or did you have any physical signs regarding your kidneys?
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gal... was it only doctor visit results, or did you have any physical signs regarding your kidneys?
He's fucked. Good riddance.
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OK, to sum up:
- Your kidney problems aren't BP related.
- High BP ruins kidneys.
Two questions:
1. What caused your kidney problems then? We can agree that it wasn't "250mg/week" itself. What was it precisely? "Protein breakdown" has nothing to do with gear.
2. What do you consider "high bp"? My parents both have BP issues just like my grandparents and so on. We are nervous people by nature. Yes, sometimes I have 140/80, especially when running shit. But no one in my family has ever had any kidney problems or any health problems whatsoever. No heart attacks, nothing, they live very long. So how is that possible if high BP is so harsh?
I think it depends. My opinion is that diastolic must be the true killer, not systolic. That's my theory, any comments on that? :P
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If I posted a picture now, you would just accuse me of the same thing. How do I know? Because I look the same as I always do and you posted the same thing then when those pictures were posted. So what would change? Nothing. Therefore, it really does not matter what I post or don`t post. Besides, asking for my picture is more than you can expect from me right now. You are partway in the doghouse so to speak. That could all change however.
I have never stopped training and I currently eat around 2500-3000 calories. I have never missed a workout and never have taken any time off from training. I never will either.
lmao at in the dog house
im not going to kiss your ass
not my style as you know
you havent posted a new pic for five years
one of the mods on here saw you recently and said you were tiny
now when you were in shape you posted your pic at every opportunity
i think we both know you arent in shape :)
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lmao at in the dog house
im not going to kiss your ass
not my style as you know
you havent posted a new pic for five years
one of the mods on here saw you recently and said you were tiny
now when you were in shape you posted your pic at every opportunity
i think we both know you arent in shape :)
Hey dont get too down on yourself, he said that could change. TA, the Micheal Jordan of trolls
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lmao at in the dog house
im not going to kiss your ass
not my style as you know
you havent posted a new pic for five years
one of the mods on here saw you recently and said you were tiny
now when you were in shape you posted your pic at every opportunity
i think we both know you arent in shape :)
There is no possible way any moderator from this board can see me. Its impossible.
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The "location coordinates"? Some big words coming from a low level moron. I live in Cleveland, Ohio. Okay? But don't go to the trouble. You're doing a good job killing yourself with no help. Why don't you forward me the location cooridinates" of the public cemetary in whatever shit town you live so I can be sure to piss on your grave.
fuck you >:(
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There is no possible way any moderator from this board can see me. Its impossible.
are you saying you are a gimmick
or some sort of spiritual being
that has transcended the need for physical form
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bill star deadlifted 660lbs @ 187lbs of drug free muscle
When I knew Bill Starr he was on steroids. Hawaii, 1974-75
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yeah sure there are millions,i see them every day,its a total fad these days
never cared to look impressive to the schmoes, rather cared to look appealing to women.
to each their own 8)
haha ya guys who are 6% year round are everywhere. :D
don't respond to idiots like him. you can tell from his post a) he looks like shit, and b) he's an idiot.
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I have never stopped training and I currently eat around 2500-3000 calories. I have never missed a workout and never have taken any time off from training. I never will either.
You weigh 160lbs Adonis. All the years of body training and dedication for what? The 5 lbs of muscle you gained?
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You weigh 160lbs Adonis. All the years of body training and dedication for what? The 5 lbs of muscle you gained?
Natties hold/keep their muscle. ;)
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what?basile used steroids? ;D
my goodness tell more about the drugs mule story, lol this is hilarious, quite the character,haha, vince "escobar" :D
Basile was juiced to the gills in the early 1940's
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Basile was juiced to the gills in the early 1940's
lol, i bet his excuse will be he wanted to show prepardness for eventual ww2 conflicts or something ridiculous like that ;D
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Article about smoking and the kidneys
WebMD Health News
Oct. 16, 2000 -- Doctors have known for a while now that smoking may increase the risk of kidney disease in people with diabetes. Now, a study shows that smoking may lead to potentially dangerous changes in kidney function even in otherwise healthy people.
For the study, which appears in the Annals of Internal Medicine, a group of researchers from the Netherlands studied urine and blood samples from more than 7,000 people ages 28 to 75. The participants were divided into three groups: nonsmokers, current smokers, and former smokers (defined as those who had not smoked for more than a year).
Compared with nonsmokers, the current and former smokers had higher levels in their urine of a substance called albumin, and their bodies were slower to excrete another substance called creatinine. Higher albumin in urine and delayed creatinine excretion are early signs of abnormal kidney function, but since these conditions don't usually cause symptoms, most people don't know they may be starting to have kidney problems.
Other studies have shown that people with diabetes have similar changes in their kidney function if they smoke, but the study authors say their research is the first to demonstrate that smoking can have bad effects on your kidneys even if you have no other diseases. They suggest that certain toxic substances in tobacco smoke may be to blame.
The study was conducted by Sara-Joan Pinto-Sietsma, MD, and colleagues from University Hospital Groningen and Groningen University Institute for Drug Exploration in Groningen, Netherlands. The researchers point out that while they found a link between smoking and changes in kidney function, none of the study participants actually developed kidney disease. So the results must be confirmed in larger studies, in which people are followed for longer periods of time, to see if the changes seen in blood and urine tests amount to anything.
The one bit of good news is that former smokers had fewer kidney abnormalities than current smokers, suggesting that smoking-induced changes are temporary and may be reversed if a person stops smoking.
A member of the National Kidney Foundation's public education committee tells WebMD that studies in diabetics show that it takes about a year from the time someone stops smoking until their level of albumin drops to normal. If it continues to rise, a serious situation called microalbuminuria will develop.
"We now know that microalbuminuria is the earliest manifestation of diabetic injury to the kidney that we can find," says Les Spry, MD. "And we know that that will forecast ultimate destruction of the kidney." If that happens, dialysis and/or a kidney transplant will be needed.
In people with diabetes who are found to have microalbuminuria, it usually takes five to 10 years before serious kidney disease develops, Spry says. Taking a "leap of faith," he theorizes that it should take longer for nondiabetics who develop microalbuminuria to become seriously ill with kidney disease.
The study, he says, is yet another warning to smokers that continuing their habit is hazardous to their health.
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thanks for that snowman
ah yeah, lets point out that diabetes 2 will lead to chronical kidney disease too, so the fatsos better not laugh too early ;)
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Gal you would look good a big more beefy. Just saying ;D You don't need to have those epic abs all year round. Hydrate and cut caffeine down to a minimum. As for the ciggies I don't want to kiss an ashtray. ;D
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Gal you would look good a big more beefy. Just saying ;D You don't need to have those epic abs all year round. Hydrate and cut caffeine down to a minimum. As for the ciggies I don't want to kiss an ashtray. ;D
ah that look is already a thing of the history :D
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thanks for all the great posts gal, stay healthy :D
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OK, to sum up:
- Your kidney problems aren't BP related.
- High BP ruins kidneys.
Two questions:
1. What caused your kidney problems then? We can agree that it wasn't "250mg/week" itself. What was it precisely? "Protein breakdown" has nothing to do with gear.
2. What do you consider "high bp"? My parents both have BP issues just like my grandparents and so on. We are nervous people by nature. Yes, sometimes I have 140/80, especially when running shit. But no one in my family has ever had any kidney problems or any health problems whatsoever. No heart attacks, nothing, they live very long. So how is that possible if high BP is so harsh?
I think it depends. My opinion is that diastolic must be the true killer, not systolic. That's my theory, any comments on that? :P
shit, i have 140 / 70-80 at pretty much all times, no gear... runs in the family :-\
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(http://p.twimg.com/AzLBAKwCIAAQoQN.jpg:large)
This shitter is prettier than most women's faces.
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One thing that I will never know and I wish there were some sort of simulation to run instead of actually doing it, is how I would look if I did ever use a steroid. I have no interest in using them, but it would be kind of neat to know what it would look like.
tough question to answer- not because there isn't an answer but becuase there are two paths to the answer.
I say two cause imo even tho there many types of users there are only two looks at the end of the day after you've put in say 10-15 years.
the first one will look athletic. muscular. healthy. typically this is guy who used anabolics not to build his physique, but as an aid in creating it.
the guys who use juice as the be all end all, rely on it to build their physiques won't fare nearly as well. they'll be bloaty. big. shapeless. unhealthy looking. permabulkers lets say.
is this accurate? every guy I know who trains who's used anabolics as a tool to enhance their growth and not relied on it solely for that growth looks great.
every pro I know at the end of his career or every heavy juicer whos now slowing down has a shapeless large very undesirable look.
depends on what path you take.
edit: this is a rather broad strokes but based on guys I know in their late 30's early 40's the guys who used the least juice just look better and healthier for it. I def do believe there is a law of diminishing returns w anabolics where more makes you not look better, and the further you push past this genetic threshold the less apt you are to look 'good' when your done. you'll look good while your pumping the mg's but even after a point this diminshes until your just a big shapeless fat guy.
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i think you are the best get bigger ever 8)
but i also think you are full of shit
you are on something in these pics
you are fat and solid doesnt happen naturally
ultimately who gives a fuck you dont even look like you train now
but you did get in tremendous shape in the past
so props for that :)
Ultimately, your opinion is wrong in this case.
I too have been 230 natural and looked extremely solid and was pulling the requisite large deads.
If you're prepared (or genetically able) to eat like a pig, you can be large, as a natural.
You'll also be a fat pig, though.
(I too ponder what would happen for me on gear as I have reached pretty respectable strength levels as a natural and I imagine it'd be even better with some help).
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Ultimately, your opinion is wrong in this case.
I too have been 230 natural and looked extremely solid and was pulling the requisite large deads.
If you're prepared (or genetically able) to eat like a pig, you can be large, as a natural.
You'll also be a fat pig, though.
(I too ponder what would happen for me on gear as I have reached pretty respectable strength levels as a natural and I imagine it'd be even better with some help).
ta had bacne and gyno
ive seen the pics
end of argument
are you saying that he lost 70 lbs from a natural weight
come on
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are you saying you are a gimmick
or some sort of spiritual being
that has transcended the need for physical form
good one ;D
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shit, i have 140 / 70-80 at pretty much all times, no gear... runs in the family :-\
I went on lisinopril when I was 35. Family history and it crept up into the 135-140/80 range. Now days it seems like its 115-120/65 range on the lisinopril.
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There is a bright side to not being 6% all year:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8075/8396760249_d24c1a24af_z.jpg)
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i see you know well what its about.
i now take days off the gym no matter what.the permanent high volume training with 50 sets yes i did that every day per bodypart is too taxing long term.
and yes, bodyweight, dont matter if its fat or muscle,if its too much,its too much.
now the days after legs and back are off days period, no negations about that.
ofc training more often one simply will be more shredded, thats the experience, but well, the pric is bit high, even a set of healthy kideys will run into its limits when theres too much rpotein breakdown, which happens precisely on harsh diet and loads of training,as you pointed out.
im glad i never had blod pressure issues,expect after huge meals somewhat, but the idiots who overeat on cabrs over and over are all working towards insulin resistance and the followup issues.
basicaly its as simple as that, if the blood pressure is fine, all will be good.
thats easy said, but the reality is steroids will make bp skyrocket like nothing, its in their very nature and "purpose".
for me the issue was the too much breakdown, im very happy to not be the blood pressure kind of issues guy.
good point on the dehydration,when very lean, the day post carbing up,its scary how fast the water goes away,makes you think its not normal to drink so much water.
pissing alot can also mean diabetes is kicking in,many will think pissing alot means kidney problems,nah,its more a sign of diabetes possibilty.
aned thats very hard to find with just regular bloodwork, just checking glucose levels,even throughout the day doesnt say much about the state or risk of diabetes.
diabetes is reserved for those who permananetly overet on carbs ,though.
see above.
it can be done but its a very tight act
esp when going all they lean, at the end, the weirdst things happen.
Clean out you could look leaner especially in the face. You shouldn't lose the muscle, might lose some water retention but real muscle will stay and you are very lean so not holding much water. I didn't drop a thing and have a bit more muscle than you.
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ta had bacne and gyno
ive seen the pics
end of argument
are you saying that he lost 70 lbs from a natural weight
come on
Argument restarted :)
I dropped 50 pounds from my 230 and could have gone further (and would have had to, to get as lean as he was)
So yes, absolutely.
If you've not been 25% bodyfat natural at 230 and tried to diet down all in one go, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
I do, because I've done it and I'm telling you, what he looks like in those pics and where he got to, I see no reason to agree with anything you say. The gyno would have been obvious when he was lean - it wasn't. Nobody was giving him shit about gyno (that I recall).
That being said, you're totally entitled to your opinion, but some of your reasons (being solid, looking large and being strong) are completely invalid and the gyno one is better judged when he was fully dieted down (unless you're implying he had gyno surgery to win a $100 supplement voucher or whatever the hell it was for first prize ::))
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According to your logic one can be smart but unlucky when it comes to growth drugs? Galeniko's words suggest bodybuilders play kidney roulette and come to grief eventually. Luke Wood was a nice guy but was unlucky.
Luke Wood got sold some bad UGL gear. I believe his Thyroid T3/T4 was highly overdosed or maybe it was his clenbuterol that was overdosed either way he got sold a overdosed thyroid medication or fat loss aid. That is what happened in his case. I hve always warned guys who buy from UGL's that mistakes like that happen and to avoid buying from UGL's. I don;t think galeniko used much AAS and why compare him to Luke Wood who was def a high AAS user. I think galeniko was as smart as possible when it came to using AAS.
If he talked about things like bodybuilders are playing dangerous games I doubt he would make poor decisions like alot of pros and other amateur or just gymrat bodybuilders. Galeniko worked real hard and did not rely on steroids like most gymrats,amateurs and pros. If he was buying from the UGL market there always is a chance of buying a product misslebaled but i don;t think that is the case.The steroids probably did not help whatever situation is going on but might not of started it either. I mod the steroid board and galeniko has never bragged about doing heavy cycles and knows the risks about running high dose cycles.
galeniko also knows you have to be lean before you start a cycle. He is not a lazy guy and does his cycles right and starts out at a very low bF% before he starts a cycle and when you do things right you do not need the dosages these lazier guys need.
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Argument restarted :)
I dropped 50 pounds from my 230 and could have gone further (and would have had to, to get as lean as he was)
So yes, absolutely.
If you've not been 25% bodyfat natural at 230 and tried to diet down all in one go, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
I do, because I've done it and I'm telling you, what he looks like in those pics and where he got to, I see no reason to agree with anything you say. The gyno would have been obvious when he was lean - it wasn't. Nobody was giving him shit about gyno (that I recall).
That being said, you're totally entitled to your opinion, but some of your reasons (being solid, looking large and being strong) are completely invalid and the gyno one is better judged when he was fully dieted down (unless you're implying he had gyno surgery to win a $100 supplement voucher or whatever the hell it was for first prize ::))
well argued
I will concede :-*
however
we are talking about Adonis here
he had professional photos taken for mr get big
and threw a two year tantrum when he came last
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=508838.0;attach=545269;image)
thats not fucking gyno thats fat lower pecs, this isnt evidence of that hard gyno many claim to acheive
some of my videos from last month would look like i had gyno real bad this month im watching my fat intake and have reduced lower fatty pec size unfortunatley
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I think there's a bit of a red herring being "tossed about" in this thread that to be lean you have to restrict water intake.
You can drink a ton of water and be really lean and even dry. Water retention I think has way more to do with the rest of your diet than how much water you drink. If you want to be 3% bf or whatever on stage then maybe it's a different story.
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Adam's nip looks like a giant squid eye :-X I also think he is full of shit in his "lifetime natural" claims.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=508838.0;attach=545269;image)
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shit, i have 140 / 70-80 at pretty much all times, no gear... runs in the family :-\
the kidneys wont like this long term.
also, long term diabetes2 possibilty.and diabetes will often lead to chronical kidney issues.
age is also a factor,it can simply be age, after 30, were getting old.
ok,the 70-80 is ok, but 140 is not.
i only ever get 140 if i really ate like a swine for 2hours non stop candys and chokolate and sugars, so thats quite the elevation.
see, this is another point, my issue is easy fixed and reversed, it was plain and simply due to severe overly training for very long time.
all the other values are top healthy, no heart size increase, no ventricle left increase either,etc.
something to keep in mind for the ones who are bordeline diabetic and dont know(the blood glucose test can come out perfect and youre already diabetes2 type), or the elevated blood pressure guys.
i have my diet under control and the willpower to keep it like that long term.diabetes wont be an issue for me, neither will blood pressure.
while some natties pointing the fingers are bordeline diabetics and elevated bp,they are in deeper shit than they think.some think bc natty mustnt take blood checks,lol, i always did them even whemn off, and at times they came back worse than when on.the difference was just the diet.
it has everything to do with diet,more than anything else.ok mega doseing excluded.
i dont mean you with this,btw, just generaly saying.
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Great information from Galeniko!
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Hope things go smooth with Gal. Don't wish ill will on anyone here.
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Hope things go smooth with Gal. Don't wish ill will on anyone here.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/87fd9eb1e805198fcf3174a997fe5c09.jpg)
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Clean out you could look leaner especially in the face. You shouldn't lose the muscle, might lose some water retention but real muscle will stay and you are very lean so not holding much water. I didn't drop a thing and have a bit more muscle than you.
yah litle bit size goes, some little bit fst comes, the difference is small.
and yes, face gets 100times smaller for some reason
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So if one read your diet book and followed it would one become diabetic with kidney problems?
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This was in a thread re Luke Wood and the drugs he apparently took by mistake.
"This is what Milos quoted Luke as taking before the AC 08 show:
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'2 tablets of 2.5 mg of T3 = 5 mg of T3 (which is: 5000 mcg of T3 - equivalent to 200 tablets of CYTOMEL per day!!!!!)
Add to this 2 tablets of 10 mg of T4 (or 20000 mcg of T4)...and you'll understand WHAT WAS GOING ON...'
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He took the high doses accidentally, as he thought he was taking 2 x 25 mcg of T3 and 2 x 50/100 mcg of T4. He ended up taking mg (milligrams) instead of mcg (micrograms).
Poor guy, I guess this was the beginning of the end, taking 100 x the dose he thought he was for weeks before the show. Such a sad story.
TBM"
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So if one read your diet book and followed it would one become diabetic with kidney problems?
true, I lost a kidney month ago. The other one is just about to give up as well.
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I debated steroids with Ray Mentzer when he and his family stayed at my place. He quipped that they were merely gonad stimulators. Ray was on dialysis and died at 47 in 2001. I wonder how long some of the heroes here will live. Good luck fellas.
Well Arnold is 66 and still ticking a long, Louie too
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This was in a thread re Luke Wood and the drugs he apparently took by mistake.
"This is what Milos quoted Luke as taking before the AC 08 show:
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'2 tablets of 2.5 mg of T3 = 5 mg of T3 (which is: 5000 mcg of T3 - equivalent to 200 tablets of CYTOMEL per day!!!!!)
Add to this 2 tablets of 10 mg of T4 (or 20000 mcg of T4)...and you'll understand WHAT WAS GOING ON...'
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He took the high doses accidentally, as he thought he was taking 2 x 25 mcg of T3 and 2 x 50/100 mcg of T4. He ended up taking mg (milligrams) instead of mcg (micrograms).
Poor guy, I guess this was the beginning of the end, taking 100 x the dose he thought he was for weeks before the show. Such a sad story.
TBM"
That is why nobody should buy thyroid or diuretics from a underground lab. Drugs like T3 and T4b should always be bought from a pharmacy or prescribed to you by a doctor. Actually all gear you use should come from somebody who has access to a pharmacys drugs or a hospitals stash or gets them prescribed from a Dr. who is not strict with prescribing AAS. I don;t think anybody should use drugs made by underground labs but unfortunately tons of bodybuilders are forced to use AAS that is made by a underground lab and usually these drugs are unsafe. Look at bostin Lloyd and many others they abuse UGL gear and get sick and get abcess's all the time.
The purity of UGL gear is very nasty and this can raise bodybuilders bloodwork and liver and kidney function drastically. If Luke Wood was prescribed the thyroid medication this never would of happened. the scariest are Underground labs that cap up DNP and other diuretics. verty dangerous to trust but most guys don't think twice, guys like derek Anthony and Bostin LLoyd they don't give a fuck they are so obsessed with their looks. their goal should be to score high grade pharmaceutical gear and HGH before they start their cycles. Their are many other bodybuilders besides derk and bostin abusing cheap underground lab gear and poorly made synthol. if you want health problems keep using cheap underground lab made gear and thyroid medication and cheap HGH that is not even 191-AA.
I think galeniko was careful with whatever gear he used. I didn't even think he was a big user from what he posted he seemed to be a light user on and off. But this is what killed Luke Wood and derek and will kill many others just the poor choices of gear and thyroid medications they use. It wasn't that Luke wood followed Milos's instructions wrong it was the fact his thyroid medication was dosed wrong and that is what made him sick.
This happens all the time you just don't hear about it unless it is a well known bodybuilder. I have heard alot of storys about bodybuilders who bought overdosed clen on-line from a UGL and almost died and also bodybuilders who bought overdosed DNP from a UGL and almost died. Bodybuilders just have to stop being so cheap and buy quality drugs and if they can't find human grade AAS don;t use it till you can find human grade drugs. So many pros piss away so much money on shitty bunk AAS no reason saving money if the drugs you are buying are fake. Bostuin lloyd admitted he thinks alot of what he used was bunk or severly underdosed this happens all the time to alot of bodybuilders.
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I would never buy t3 or clen unless from a pharmacy.
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true, I lost a kidney month ago. The other one is just about to give up as well.
shit
what was the cause
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shit
what was the cause
my lawyer will issue a statement in a next few days
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So if one read your diet book and followed it would one become diabetic with kidney problems?
nah.
btw, i dont think thats gyno on adonis,if it were, it wouldnt just have gone away.
the acne could be from overeating,esp on "bad" foods
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well argued
I will concede :-*
however
we are talking about Adonis here
he had professional photos taken for mr get big
and threw a two year tantrum when he came last
Jezebelle took all the pictures. I agree, she is better than professional photographers. Her black and white photos are really amazing.
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Jezebelle took all the pictures. I agree, she is better than professional photographers. Her black and white photos are really amazing.
they were very good
not sure about the posing though
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My next questions. Is there a such thing as a healthy amount that can be sustained long term that would put you slightly above what one can do naturally or is it not doable at all. Also, would those testosterone patches put you over what a natural could achieve if they were used or are they useless? What is exactly in them and why do people not use them more often?
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they were very good
not sure about the posing though
When you look like garbage, you have to do everything in your power to hide it. :D True story.
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My next questions. Is there a such thing as a healthy amount that can be sustained long term that would put you slightly above what one can do naturally or is it not doable at all. Also, would those testosterone patches put you over what a natural could achieve if they were used or are they useless? What is exactly in them and why do people not use them more often?
Yes it's called TRT (true HRT, not 250mgs a week ), commonly utilized by endo's.
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yes trt will be safe.
just dont believe it when some ppl say 500 weekly is trt haha.
btw, if anything, if ppl follow the book, one thing is certain,wont become diabetic.and they will be leaner.
safe dose is everything that keeps blood ressure in normal range, it all strats from there.
no dose is safe as far gyno is concerned, some get gyno on 250 weekly,even with fine bp and all else, one estradiol spike can "make it happen" ;D
if youd see how removed glands look likem youd be asking how the hell is it possible to grow something like this, it literaly looks like a tumor
and uh, when bloodwork comes out very off, esp liver and kideny.
make sure to not train for 1 or 2 days before testing, and go there fasted 12hrs.
and dont eat 500gramms protein the day before,haha.
cholesterol bloodwork ,the regular one, is bit of a scam, only to get rough idea, if one wants accurate lipid monitoring, should be done 3 times throughout the day.
acne too, acne means somethings not right, very obviously.
somebody said they wouldnt use clen, t3 unless from pharmacy, hell, better to not use them at all.theres not 1 person who coulnt get lean without them.
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yes trt will be safe.
just dont believe it when some ppl say 500 weekly is trt haha.
btw, if anything, if ppl follow the book, one thing is certain,wont become diabetic.and they will be leaner.
safe dose is everything that keeps blood ressure in normal range, it all strats from there.
no dose is safe as far gyno is concerned, some get gyno on 250 weekly,even with fine bp and all else, one estradiol spike can "make it happen" ;D
if youd see how removed glands look likem youd be asking how the hell is it possible to grow something like this, it literaly looks like a tumor
and uh, when bloodwork comes out very off, esp liver and kideny.
make sure to not train for 1 or 2 days before testing, and go there fasted 12hrs.
and dont eat 500gramms protein the day before,haha.
cholesterol bloodwork ,the regular one, is bit of a scam, only to get rough idea, if one wants accurate lipid monitoring, should be done 3 times throughout the day.
acne too, acne means somethings not right, very obviously.
somebody said they wouldnt use clen, t3 unless from pharmacy, hell, better to not use them at all.theres not 1 person who coulnt get lean without them.
this
plus stay hydrated at all times
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this
plus stay hydrated at all times
Abs tight etc.
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When you look like garbage, you have to do everything in your power to hide it. :D True story.
or take no pics at all ;D
even if i knew will be back in shape soon, and itd be useful as before after pic, i dont take any :D
this
plus stay hydrated at all times
well, yeah jacked bbuilder has different food and water requirement than joe average.
and some will think now higher doses will kill you, well, nah, but dont complain later on or be suprised.
those who take enough to have 247 elevated blood pressure,and those who eat so much to permanent high blood glucose and serum insulin levels,are at
highest risk, this is the same thing for ppl who dont even lift.
that said, fatties keep that in mind, and to the permabulkers, yesterday was earliset sundawn in evening, in 3 months is spring, they ought start dieting now, or the leans wont be happening next summer, again ;D
next one on the death list, if carries on as is, is not a mass monster but a guy well known to go for the aestitic 80s look, dj181, beautiful man with hooknose :D
Abs tight etc.
shoulders pulle dback like in miliatry formation-stance ;D
haha abs tight.stomach in,chest out.
or the ,oh brother, mass monsters, gut out, lats out ;D
and dangerous face on.saw one mulato guy in gym yesterday, skeleton bulit, but has all the early signs,"dont fuck with me stare", epic ils, walking slwly as if carries 300lbs of muscle,the works. :D
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Hahaha yes the "Don't 'fuck' with me, I'm here about serious business / doing battle with the weights" glare/sneer is a key to great successes in the gym :D
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I took one of my dogs to the vet this morning and there was 240-250 lb lean vet tech there. He had the look of modern day bigness, like No One referred to. (if I get a chance to talk to him, I will ask him if he wants my autograph and if he has heard of getbig) This is not the first time I have ran into someone on something working at a Vet. Is there something to this?
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I would love to see galeniko get to 15% bf eat like a normal human being and get married to a fine woman.
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I took one of my dogs to the vet this morning and there was 240-250 lb lean vet tech there. He had the look of modern day bigness, like No One referred to. (if I get a chance to talk to him, I will ask him if he wants my autograph and if he has heard of getbig) This is not the first time I have ran into someone on something working at a Vet. Is there something to this?
Is the dog ok ???
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I took one of my dogs to the vet this morning and there was 240-250 lb lean vet tech there. He had the look of modern day bigness, like No One referred to. (if I get a chance to talk to him, I will ask him if he wants my autograph and if he has heard of getbig) This is not the first time I have ran into someone on something working at a Vet. Is there something to this?
Sounds like a great every-day look, easy to maintain without a ton of gear.
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Hahaha yes the "Don't 'fuck' with me, I'm here about serious business / doing battle with the weights" glare/sneer is a key to great successes in the gym :D
haha i do MMA for cardio bro ;D
shadowboxing been replaced by tap out gear these days, more "subtle"
I took one of my dogs to the vet this morning and there was 240-250 lb lean vet tech there. He had the look of modern day bigness, like No One referred to. (if I get a chance to talk to him, I will ask him if he wants my autograph and if he has heard of getbig) This is not the first time I have ran into someone on something working at a Vet. Is there something to this?
i dont think there is, its just a random guy on steroids when its all said and done.
maybe he has access to proper equipoise, but that alone doesnt explain 250lean ;D
that eq stuff is some weak shit, the trt dose of that even i would say would be 600weekly :D
I would love to see galeniko get to 15% bf eat like a normal human being and get married to a fine woman.
i did that at age 20, one of the top 10 mistakes throughout whole life ;D
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Is the dog ok ???
I sure hope so. We think it is a Urinary Tract Infection. Jezebelle and I were extremely upset and thought something severe was wrong as Tesla`s condition wasn`t improving. We boiled around 10 lbs of chicken, 5 lbs of lean ground beef, a few lbs of brown rice, broccoli and Sweet Potatoes. We joked that its probably better than what most "bodybuilders" eat, certainly better than Genova`s diets. Jezebelle watches all of the Iron Sith Lord videos with me and finds them amusing.
Anyways, back to Tesla, so yes we were both overreacting I think and freaking out. I am extremely soft when it comes to any animal in pain and I can`t bear to see it, even a little bit. She went yesterday for blood work, Urine Sample and Skin Scrape. I took her back today for XRays just in case. I am sitting by the phone waiting for the Vet to call to see what it is. If it is a UTI, then Antibiotics oughta do it.
I do not think she has any kidney damage since there was no blood in the urine.
I actually gave Galeniko and company alot of thought when I was at the vet. I was thinking, if they put all of that stuff in their body, then my dog should be allright. I will know sometime today.
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i did that at age 20, one of the top 10 mistakes throughout whole life ;D
You should start a new thread, "Top 10 mistakes throughout Galeniko life" with complete descriptions.
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I sure hope so. We think it is a Urinary Tract Infection. Jezebelle and I were extremely upset and thought something severe was wrong as Tesla`s condition wasn`t improving. We boiled around 10 lbs of chicken, 5 lbs of lean ground beef, a few lbs of brown rice, broccoli and Sweet Potatoes. We joked that its probably better than what most "bodybuilders" eat, certainly better than Genova`s diets. Jezebelle watches all of the Iron Sith Lord videos with me and finds them amusing.
Anyways, back to Tesla, so yes we were both overreacting I think and freaking out. I am extremely soft when it comes to any animal in pain and I can`t bear to see it, even a little bit. She went yesterday for blood work, Urine Sample and Skin Scrape. I took her back today for XRays just in case. I am sitting by the phone waiting for the Vet to call to see what it is. If it is a UTI, then Antibiotics oughta do it.
I do not think she has any kidney damage since there was no blood in the urine.
I actually gave Galeniko and company alot of thought when I was at the vet. I was thinking, if they put all of that stuff in their body, then my dog should be allright. I will know sometime today.
Probably hemi-iron consumption. My dog killed my cat but the dog is still alive. I had a Chihuahua once she developed a ovary issue could not hold her piss so carpet messed up, finally died she was a good sleeper by your side I miss her.
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I sure hope so. We think it is a Urinary Tract Infection. Jezebelle and I were extremely upset and thought something severe was wrong as Tesla`s condition wasn`t improving. We boiled around 10 lbs of chicken, 5 lbs of lean ground beef, a few lbs of brown rice, broccoli and Sweet Potatoes. We joked that its probably better than what most "bodybuilders" eat, certainly better than Genova`s diets. Jezebelle watches all of the Iron Sith Lord videos with me and finds them amusing.
Anyways, back to Tesla, so yes we were both overreacting I think and freaking out. I am extremely soft when it comes to any animal in pain and I can`t bear to see it, even a little bit. She went yesterday for blood work, Urine Sample and Skin Scrape. I took her back today for XRays just in case. I am sitting by the phone waiting for the Vet to call to see what it is. If it is a UTI, then Antibiotics oughta do it.
I do not think she has any kidney damage since there was no blood in the urine.
I actually gave Galeniko and company alot of thought when I was at the vet. I was thinking, if they put all of that stuff in their body, then my dog should be allright. I will know sometime today.
Hopefully its just urinary...don't know about dogs but vets recommend food with cranberry for cats to help with the urine flow.
...my cat had a urinary tract infection and you should have seen the battles trying to squirt the medicine into her mouth :o ;D :'(
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i did that at age 20, one of the top 10 mistakes throughout whole life ;D
:D
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Well Arnold is 66 and still ticking a long, Louie too
let's see how long they last.
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My next questions. Is there a such thing as a healthy amount that can be sustained long term that would put you slightly above what one can do naturally or is it not doable at all. Also, would those testosterone patches put you over what a natural could achieve if they were used or are they useless? What is exactly in them and why do people not use them more often?
the patches are not as efficient as injectible. its a dmso that slowly releases testosterone into the blood stream thru the epidermis. guys gravitate to them for fear of the needle. thats cause most guys dont know you can back load a 5/8's insulin pin and push your oil with that and feel no pain what so ever.
dude, you could easily use, and benefit from 250mg a week of enanthate. 2, 1/2 cc shots wed and sun so the water isnt an issue. NOW the key point to your post is 'healthy/sustainable'. this will be totally self generated. nobody can tell you ya you can do it and it wont hurt you over time but nobody can assess your tolerance. onyl your body knows that. given the blooodwork i get done, and i have had in my past, and i can easily say for myslef that i could stay on 250mg a week for the rest of my life and not see a single elevation in blood pressure, cholestrol, liver kidney elevations etc. thats me. you might be different.
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I know a lot of dvm on ped
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Hopefully its just urinary...don't know about dogs but vets recommend food with cranberry for cats to help with the urine flow.
...my cat had a urinary tract infection and you should have seen the battles trying to squirt the medicine into her mouth :o ;D :'(
Well Calvin,
It wasn`t a Urinary Tract Infection. We are leaning toward a Tick-Borne Disease which is what a lot of Greyhounds get and other dogs as well in hot climates. Its curable/manageable which a good thing. The Vet, who was very knowledgeable, was not well educated in regards to Greyhounds. Very few are. They have a totally different body and blood makeup than other animals and dogs. Their kidneys, function a bit different and they have an extremely high red blood cell count. They are hyper responders to all medication and pain sensitive. Very interesting chemistry.
They would probably respond incredibly to anabolics.
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the patches are not as efficient as injectible. its a dmso that slowly releases testosterone into the blood stream thru the epidermis. guys gravitate to them for fear of the needle. thats cause most guys dont know you can back load a 5/8's insulin pin and push your oil with that and feel no pain what so ever.
dude, you could easily use, and benefit from 250mg a week of enanthate. 2, 1/2 cc shots wed and sun so the water isnt an issue. NOW the key point to your post is 'healthy/sustainable'. this will be totally self generated. nobody can tell you ya you can do it and it wont hurt you over time but nobody can assess your tolerance. onyl your body knows that. given the blooodwork i get done, and i have had in my past, and i can easily say for myslef that i could stay on 250mg a week for the rest of my life and not see a single elevation in blood pressure, cholestrol, liver kidney elevations etc. thats me. you might be different.
I have an irrational fear of needles though and medication in general. Its been years since I even took an aspirin, which I know is healthy.
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Hopefully its just urinary...don't know about dogs but vets recommend food with cranberry for cats to help with the urine flow.
...my cat had a urinary tract infection and you should have seen the battles trying to squirt the medicine into her mouth :o ;D :'(
Update on Tesla.
She is making an awesome recovery. It turns out she had a Tick-Borne Disease. Most veterinarians will never arrive at this conclusion as it takes on so many symptoms that they usually misdiagnose or wrongly prescribe with horrible results. For instance, one symptom is loss of interest in toys and more frequent urination. What doctor will think its a Tick-Borne Disease? Virtually none. We were lucky to have an extremely knowledgeable and caring vet who went to NC State, the best veternarian School in the country in my opinion which also has the most state of the art Tick-Borne Disease studies and lab in the country if not the world.
Tick-Borne Diseases are absolutely disgusting in that a dog or even a human can be bit years and years ago and only show symptoms when the pathogen strengthens and turns the tables against the body. It is completely treatable if caught, fatal if not. Humans suffer from it as well. You may be carrying it right now and it may lay dormant forever. Its a vile thing.