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Were the judges on crack?
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Shawn was narrow and didn't have a great back
Haney, Yates, and Ronnie dwarfed Ray on the back poses
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Yes, let's discuss this again, it's kinda due ya know... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Too short and too mouthy (not the way the schmoes wanted).
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Were the judges on crack?
Let me preface this by saying Shawn Ray had an outstanding physique, however he was OVERRATEd the guy has just 2 pro wins and when he ventured out of the Olympia he was still routinely beaten.
Shawn Ray had a great ability to market himself into something he wasn't which was exceptional.
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Dorian's biceps are the worst of all Mr. Olympias.
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Because he was the ONLY ifbb bodybuilder to test positive for Steroids and disqualified from a competition
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Shawn was narrow and didn't have a great back
Haney, Yates, and Ronnie dwarfed Ray on the back poses
He had an excellent back , but it lacked width. His lat spreads sucked. His clavicles were narrow ( Heath anyone? ) Oh and he was a MAJOR douch who wore make-up ;D
he promised to beat Haney , that failed
he promised to beat Yates , that failed
he promised to beat Coleman , that failed.
He SUCKED as a competitive bodybuilder , he was consistent I'll give you that but he's so overrated it's not funny
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Dorian's biceps are the worst of all Mr. Olympias.
I think Dickerson has em beat lol
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I think Dickerson has em beat lol
Dickerson was Mr. Olympia? haha
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Dickerson was Mr. Olympia? haha
;D
Shit in 82 Samir should have beaten him
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Because he was the ONLY ifbb bodybuilder to test positive for Steroids and disqualified from a competition
That still only would have given him 3 pro contest wins lol in 14 years as a pro :-X
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A hell of a physique I'll say that.
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In this clip, Shawn gets lost in the mix. The show was between Yates and Wheeler
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Shawn was narrow
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Overrated
Oh brother ::)
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In this clip, Shawn gets lost in the mix. The show was between Yates and Wheeler
After watching it, it was between Yates and nobody.
And, for anyone who said he has no legs, watch him walk to the front of the stage. Immense.
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Yates destroyed them that year...
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As great as Ray was then, several of the other competitors were better. It's hard to believe when you look at pics of Ray standing by himself.
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Dorian's last two Olympias were gifts. Same as Jay in 07, Ronnie's last two. In dorian's first 4, nevermind. It was lights out for him. That's the thing with Heath at 4. He can easily get 7 because he hasn't recieved his two gift placings yet.
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Dorian's last two Olympias were gifts. Same as Jay in 07, Ronnie's last two. In dorian's first 4, nevermind. It was lights out for him. That's the thing with Heath at 4. He can easily get 7 because he hasn't recieved his two gift placings yet.
96 wasn't....I was there. Challenged from the front, unbeatable from the back poses.
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Narrow and has DLB type quads...No sweep what so ever...Standing alone he looks great. Next to people he gets eaten up...
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Overrated
Oh brother ::)
OVERRATED ;)
2 pro wins in 14 years hahahahahahahahahahahaha that's the definition of overrated. Especially when people call him one of the greatest ever ::)
The knock on Shawn was he never changed , he won the nationals at 196lbs and competed about 205lbs at his best. wow-wee a whopping 9 pounds in 14 years , he tried to compete heavier at a reported 215lbs and he looked like shit ( relative to lighter Shawn ) and his spot-on conditioning suffered for it.
Shawn was good at making people believe he was much better than he was , I can see you feel for it.
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Narrow and has DLB type quads...No sweep what so ever...Standing alone he looks great. Next to people he gets eaten up...
;D
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For Ray to be a threat... He couldn't be "off", not even by a little bit. He had to be dialed-in 100% and totally shredded.
Otherwise guys like Levrone, Wheeler, Nasser, Cormier, and Dillet would crush him.
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For Ray to be a threat... He couldn't be "off", not even by a little bit. He had to be dialed-in 100% and totally shredded.
Otherwise guys like Levrone, Wheeler, Nasser, Cormier, and Dillet would crush him.
Even 100% he still got beat , Flex was ' off ' because he dominated the springs shows in 93 and by the time of the Olympia he was off and still beat Shawn
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Shawn has a very small frame and light bones. Also did not abuse slin and gh like dorian. was afraid to try new things too. With that small frame he could not stand ground with the big boys. he looked real small dressed up in clothes back in the day....lol
Was a gossip machine....lol
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In this clip, Shawn gets lost in the mix. The show was between Yates and Wheeler
Shawn Ray best abs (serratus-intercostals) of all time.
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Is Shawn better than Lee Labrada?
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he was fucking with wrong trannies,.. ;D
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Is Shawn better than Lee Labrada?
No , Labrada has more career wins and in my opinion a better physique. Lee has 7 career wins ( in 10 years as a pro ) compared to Ray's 2 in 14 years as a pro. Lee never finished below 5th place in a professional contest
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96 wasn't....I was there. Challenged from the front, unbeatable from the back poses.
Nasser had him beat one year
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Nasser had him beat one year
Nasser had him ' beat ' from the front in 97 but not everywhere
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Dorian Yates looked like a 300 pound lump of shit. His era started Pro Bodybuilding's long death spiral.
Shawn Ray looked like what a Mr Olympia should look like.
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Dorian Yates looked like a 300 pound lump of shit. His era started Pro Bodybuilding's long death spiral.
Shawn Ray looked like what a Mr Olympia should look like.
Let's say Yates never came into the equation . Shawn was still NEVER going to win the Mr Olympia. Flex , Labrada , Levrone , Clairmonte , would have smoked him
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It could have been the fact Shawn wasn't liked much. had a big mouth and talked a lot of shit. Rubbed people the wrong way (pun intended)
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Were the judges on crack?
No, instead of taking individual pics & comparing pic to pic, they actually put them next to each other. Yates was much bigger, thinker, denser, more conditioned. Look at the side by side pics posted by ND.
Other reasons he wasn't Mr O include Haney, Lebrada, Coleman, Flex, Levrone & Nassar. Ray looks amazing, but was beaten by these guys side by side.
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If these shows were judged the way they read, Dorian would have never won another show after 93. He had one arm and a wide waist. He is the beginning of the end of bodybuilding. He took it too far and created the all drug look. He looked like shit in 97 I don't care who won but it shouldn't have been him. You can't be Mr. Olympia with arm, that's bullshit.
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I always laugh when I see that vid and see Flex go over to Shawn and they give a quick hand slap to one another.
1,2,3...probably the best 1,2,3 of all time.
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Flex said shawn has a mishap small penis
Shawn couldn't hold dexters jock strap
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Flex said shawn has a mishap small penis
Shawn couldn't hold dexters jock strap
I think that was a chick who was messing with Shawn...Azure who used to post on this board had apparently a relationship with Shawn or Flex.
Shawn had better abs than Dex, and Shawn's quads were more striated. It could be argued that Shawn had a better chest than Dex as well.
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I think that was a chick who was messing with Shawn...Azure who used to post on this board had apparently a relationship with Shawn or Flex.
Shawn had better abs than Dex, and Shawn's quads were more striated. It could be argued that Shawn had a better chest than Dex as well.
All Dexter needs to tell shawn is 5 arnold wins and an O title! Boom 8)
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I think that was a chick who was messing with Shawn...Azure who used to post on this board had apparently a relationship with Shawn or Flex.
Shawn had better abs than Dex, and Shawn's quads were more striated. It could be argued that Shawn had a better chest than Dex as well.
Flex Wheeler said that about Shawn's dick....
It was uneccesary
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Flex Wheeler said that about Shawn's dick....
It was uneccesary
From what I remember Flex had said a woman said that. There was a lot of smack talk between the two. From Shawn saying Flex had calf implants. You look at Flex's Hardbody vid, and you can see Flex was always smack talking someone. From Rico to Chris Comier to Charles Glass.
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From what I remember Flex had said a woman said that. There was a lot of smack talk between the two. From Shawn saying Flex had calf implants. You look at Flex's Hardbody vid, and you can see Flex was always smack talking someone. From Rico to Chris Comier to Charles Glass.
Yes, Flex didn't examine shawn himself... a woman apparently did.. and told Flex
But Flex should not have told that story to the bodybuilding media
It may or may not be true
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Yes, Flex didn't examine shawn himself... a woman apparently did.. and told Flex
But Flex should not have told that story to the bodybuilding media
It may or may not be true
If I recall shawn did come on here about the small penis thing and didn't deny nor confirmed it. He said something a long the lines at least it works fine ;D
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Dorian's last two Olympias were gifts. Same as Jay in 07, Ronnie's last two. In dorian's first 4, nevermind. It was lights out for him. That's the thing with Heath at 4. He can easily get 7 because he hasn't recieved his two gift placings yet.
BS...Yates was great in 1992,1993, and 1995. He looked good in 1996 and deserved his V. However, he looked like ass crack in 1994 and 1997. The last one was a gift. 1994 he was the reigning champ so he got the nod. His best year by far is 1993 and then even with the fucked up bicep 1995.
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Nothing wrong with that arm. ::)
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Nothing wrong with that arm. ::)
Have there even been worse arms on a Mr.O winner ever?
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sick build,great muscle fullness,condition...yeah contest wins were never in the mix,,but he only competed once a yr...if he did grand prixes he would have racked up many ...one pic here 2nd one he's under 20...
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Narrow and has DLB type quads...No sweep what so ever...Standing alone he looks great. Next to people he gets eaten up...
what do you mean no quad sweep?:
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ps does he look like he is getting eaten up standing next to Nasser and Dorian?
no, he is owning them, even if his lats are narrow.
he destroys them everywhere else.
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killer ..
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He had an excellent back , but it lacked width. His lat spreads sucked. His clavicles were narrow ( Heath anyone? ) Oh and he was a MAJOR douch who wore make-up ;D
he promised to beat Haney , that failed
he promised to beat Yates , that failed
he promised to beat Coleman , that failed.
He SUCKED as a competitive bodybuilder , he was consistent I'll give you that but he's so overrated it's not funny
I personally prefer shawn from the back in this particular shot, better symmetry, more width to his thigh, better condition in his glutes, smaller waist with impressively full and round muscle bellies that taper off in size away from his torso with very aesthetic proportions.
Depends on what you value though I suppose.
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I'd rather look like Shawn. Dorian looks a bloated mess.
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No , Labrada has more career wins and in my opinion a better physique. Lee has 7 career wins ( in 10 years as a pro ) compared to Ray's 2 in 14 years as a pro. Lee never finished below 5th place in a professional contest
I can respect that.
I would say Shawn was superior, but I don't put a ton of stock in career wins; by that criterion, Ronnie, Kevin and V. Taylor are the best bodybuilders ever. (Aside: I do think Kevin and Ronnie are easily some of the best, but more for the best shapes they brought to the stage rather than sheer number of wins.)
But speaking of contest wins ... Shawn did win the second-biggest title in bodybuilding, twice if you count the win that was taken away from him. The best Labrada ever did was place second at the Olympia. Shawn did that, too, albeit not as many times (?).
Also, Shawn repeatedly beat a bunch of guys Lee didn't. For example, Ray took Levrone in '93, '94, '96 and '97, didn't he? Lee whipped Kevin in '93 but that was it.
I also like Shawn on a per-part basis better (all homo). Better pecs, arms, delts. Lee looked like he was carved from stone but Shawn seemed more detailed.
It's really up to what you're looking for, I guess ... and going back to contest placings/wins, FWIW, I thought Shawn was jobbed during some of the early Ronnie wins. He was incredible in '99. I easily had him third instead of Flex Oiler (ironically, Ray thinks FLEX should've won that show! LOL). And I thought he was better than Kevin in '01, too, by simple virtue of the fact Levrone didn't have good quads anymore.
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I'd rather look like Shawn. Dorian looks a bloated mess.
yeah...Alq Gurley called Shawn, "Mr. Bodybuilding".
Dude had great aesthetics.
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Yates in his late years was branch warren 1.0
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Yates in his late years was branch warren 1.0
Thankfully, Yates had enough sense to retire
Branch will keep going until he is dead
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yeah...Alq Gurley called Shawn, "Mr. Bodybuilding".
Dude had great aesthetics.
Alq was no slouch in the aesthetics dept either.
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No , Labrada has more career wins and in my opinion a better physique. Lee has 7 career wins ( in 10 years as a pro ) compared to Ray's 2 in 14 years as a pro. Lee never finished below 5th place in a professional contest
good post. i had labrada as the mr o in at least one year, and shouldve been 2. (90,91).
next to haney and yates in 91 labrada more than held his own. he had the most appealing physique and was not at all smashed by mass. but you know how it goes- the judges had shit in their eyes and wanted a knock out blow for haney to lose, and had been influenced by Yate's momentum and hype as the only big guy to challenge haney ever. meanwhile labrada came in better than ever, almost perfect and with a mind blowing posing routine (as usual). AND, even in comparisons it was hard to not put him in first. it was a "hmmm, best, or bigger?" type thing. and "does being bigger and not quite perfect outweigh being smaller and more perfect"
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this is one of the greatest bb pics ever IMO:
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its also worth noting that at the 93 olympia, Labrada was arguably in his career best shape
problem was, his best wasn't good enough to handle Flex, Dorian or Shawn when they were dialed.
Ray is always better than Labrada if Ray is spot on
esp 93 onwards because thats when Ray's back double bi really improved.
you can't look at the 89 or 90 olympia because ray's back was shit then.
but by 93 it looked like this:
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so as usual, ND's silly argument of using contest wins means nothing.
peak physique vs peak physique, shawn is better:
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comapre shawn to lee labrada
shawn won light heavy and overall nationals in 1987. teenage nationals in 1985.
1988 mr o. 13th.
1989 no competitions
1990 mr.o 3rd.
1991 mr o. 5th.
1992 mr.o 4th
1993 mr o. 3rd.
1994 mr o 2nd
1995 mr.o 4th
1996 mr. o 2nd.
1997 mr.o 3rd.
1998 mr o. 5th.
1999 mr.o 6th
2000 mr o. 4th.
2001 mr. o. 4th.
labrada.
1985 NPC nationals 1st, middleweight.
1986 night of champions 1st.
1987 mr.o 3rd.
1988 mr. o. 4th.
1989 mr. o. 2nd.
1990 mr. o . 2nd.
1991 mr.o. 4th.
1992 mr.o. 3rd..
1993 mr.o . 4th.
lee beat shawn 3 times out of 5 in mr.o's. In 2 mr.o's, lee shouldve won the show. (does that count?)
the times lee lost to shawn were when lee was close to finishing...and his placings were sliding (just like anyone else's do when they approach the end).
lee averaged 3.1 st place over his 7 mr.o's.
shawn averaged 3.75 st place over 12 mr.o's. (not including his 13th place)
it seems to me that LL was superior to SR. any way you look at it.
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In 2 mr.o's, lee shouldve won the show.
but had shawn showed up to those same Mr. O's looking like he did in 94 for example, he would have won.
lee has a better contest record than shawn,
but shawn didn't peak until literally the end of Lee's career and hit his career peak (94) after lee was retired.
don't forget this.
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I could be wrong; but I think that Alq Gurley and Lee Labrada took less drugs than many other competitors.
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Because he was the ONLY ifbb bodybuilder to test positive for Steroids and disqualified from a competition
Not quite. Others were DQed as well. His just sticks out because it happened after he won a show.
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comapre shawn to lee labrada
shawn won light heavy and overall nationals in 1987. teenage nationals in 1985.
1988 mr o. 13th.
1989 no competitions
1990 mr.o 3rd.
1991 mr o. 5th.
1992 mr.o 4th
1993 mr o. 3rd.
1994 mr o 2nd
1995 mr.o 4th
1996 mr. o 2nd.
1997 mr.o 3rd.
1998 mr o. 5th.
1999 mr.o 6th
2000 mr o. 4th.
2001 mr. o. 4th.
labrada.
1985 NPC nationals 1st, middleweight.
1986 night of champions 1st.
1987 mr.o 3rd.
1988 mr. o. 4th.
1989 mr. o. 2nd.
1990 mr. o . 2nd.
1991 mr.o. 4th.
1992 mr.o. 3rd..
1993 mr.o . 4th.
lee beat shawn 3 times out of 5 in mr.o's. In 2 mr.o's, lee shouldve won the show. (does that count?)
the times lee lost to shawn were when lee was close to finishing...and his placings were sliding (just like anyone else's do when they approach the end).
lee averaged 3.1 st place over his 7 mr.o's.
shawn averaged 3.75 st place over 12 mr.o's. (not including his 13th place)
it seems to me that LL was superior to SR. any way you look at it.
Great post.
Of course Lee smoke Shawn it's not debatable. More career wins , never placed below 5th in a pro contest more consistent and in my opinion a better physique
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That still only would have given him 3 pro contest wins lol in 14 years as a pro :-X
He was one of those Olympia-to-Olympia guys for most of his career.
Except for his rookie year, he never placed lower than 5th at the O. And back then, placing top ten qualified you for next year's O. Placing top 5 at the O was more prestigious than winning lower shows. With that said, he did win the Arnold Classic.
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shawn attained a level far above what Lee ever brought to the stage.
problem was, it was AFTER lee retired:
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but had shawn showed up to those same Mr. O's looking like he did in 94 for example, he would have won.
lee has a better contest record than shawn,
but shawn didn't peak until literally the end of Lee's career and hit his career peak (94) after lee was retired.
don't forget this.
wait are you honestly trying to claim Shawn Ray would beat Lee Haney? ??? ::)
Shawn NEVER improved that was the rub on him ( no homo ) he was 196lbs when he won the nationals and his best he was 205lbs , same old Shawn for his entire career , he tried to compete heavier at 215lbs and his famous conditioning suffered for it.
Lee Haney is EONS better than Ray it's NOT even debatable, in all the years I've been on here I don't I've EVER saw anyone stupid enough to claim Shawn Ray could beat Lee Haney LMAO only you
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this is one of the greatest bb pics ever IMO:
yeah really exceptional ::)
Shawn looks good standing alone
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wait are you honestly trying to claim Shawn Ray would beat Lee Haney? ??? ::)
Shawn NEVER improved that was the rub on him ( no homo ) he was 196lbs when he won the nationals and his best he was 205lbs , same old Shawn for his entire career , he tried to compete heavier at 215lbs and his famous conditioning suffered for it.
Lee Haney is EONS better than Ray it's NOT even debatable, in all the years I've been on here I don't I've EVER saw anyone stupid enough to claim Shawn Ray could beat Lee Haney LMAO only you
Ray did improve, going up the placing during the 90s and getting second twice. Personally, I think he got robbed in '94. He nailed it, while Dorian was WAAAAAY off (smoothed, waterlogged, and torn bicep).
With Ray, there wasn't a lot he had to improve. He looked terrific and a top 5 spot was practically a lock for him.
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Ray did improve, going up the placing during the 90s and getting second twice. Personally, I think he got robbed in '94. He nailed it, while Dorian was WAAAAAY off (smoothed, waterlogged, and torn bicep).
With Ray, there wasn't a lot he had to improve. He looked terrific and a top 5 spot was practically a lock for him.
I'm not talking about his contest placements , I'm talking physique wise. He gained 6 pounds in 14 years?
in 1994 he was BEHIND Kevin Levrone after the prejudging and was lucking to ' beat ' Kevin for second place. Dorian was way off from 93 and still eons better , torn bicep , bloated and a runny tan but his conditioning wasn't off he was still dry & hard
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Shawn was narrow and didn't have a great back
Haney, Yates, and Ronnie dwarfed Ray on the back poses
As opposed to Dorian's lack of bicep development?
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This is from when he won the Nationals in 87 , he looks almost identical to he did years later , his conditioning improved slightly but overall he's the same Shawn Ray he starts at about 17:28
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I'm not talking about his contest placements , I'm talking physique wise. He gained 6 pounds in 14 years?
Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger.
in 1994 he was BEHIND Kevin Levrone after the prejudging and was lucking to ' beat ' Kevin for second place. Dorian was way off from 93 and still eons better , torn bicep , bloated and a runny tan but his conditioning wasn't off he was still dry & hard
That's why they have the night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.
It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.
As for Yates, you could almost wring the water out of him in '94. If anyone got "lucky" that year, it was he, not Ray.
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As opposed to Dorian's lack of bicep development?
Back is a much larger area than biceps
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Back is a much larger area than biceps
It's a matter of balance.
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Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger.
That's why they have night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.
It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.
Who cares how much weight he added? He was top 5 in the world for over a decade. Improvement isn't just getting larger
It's a bodybuilding contest at the end of the day. Yes he was very consistent and professional and that's to be expected but seriously 6 lbs if that in 14 years of competing? He didn't want to take that route the other guys were going kudos to him but don't bitch when you're not winning contests.
That's why they have night show. Lee Haney was behind after prejudging in 1990. Ronnie Coleman was behind Flex Wheeler after prejudging in 1998.
It's about who's ahead when ALL the rounds are tallied, not just the first two.
That is the exception not the rule , the meat & potatoes was always prejudging and after the 1994 prejudging Shawn was behind Kevin , 1994 Mr Olympia was a close contest , for second. Shawn wasn't beating Dorian regardless of the torn bicep
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This is from when he won the Nationals in 87 , he looks almost identical to he did years later , his conditioning improved slightly but overall he's the same Shawn Ray he starts at about 17:28
And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?
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It's a matter of balance.
I agree and a weak back is much more of an imbalance than a weak bicep
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It's a bodybuilding contest at the end of the day. Yes he was very consistent and professional and that's to be expected but seriously 6 lbs if that in 14 years of competing? He didn't want to take that route the other guys were going kudos to him but don't bitch when you're not winning contests.
That is the exception not the rule , the meat & potatoes was always prejudging and after the 1994 prejudging Shawn was behind Kevin , 1994 Mr Olympia was a close contest , for second. Shawn wasn't beating Dorian regardless of the torn bicep
When has Ray ever complained about not winning contests, other than the Olympia? Most of the time, he only did the O.
How does Yates get straight ones with a blown bicep, expanded waist, and water almost running from his skin?
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And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?
He's supposed to improve his physique add more muscle without compromising his proportions ( easier said than done ) but Shawn can't bitch when he wasn't winning contests , which Shawn always did. Now you can make a case for his type of physique SHOULD be what the Mr Olympia represents but according to the IFBB judging criteria Shawn wasn't beating many guys not just Dorian.
He said he represented what the Olympia should be OVER Lee Haney , over Dorian Yates , over Ronnie Coleman. Shawn wanted the rules to bend to him and if I were him I would too but that's not how it works.
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When has Ray ever complained about not winning contests, other than the Olympia? Most of the time, he only did the so.
Well like you said he didn't venture out of the Olympia much , but ironically he didn't bitch about his placement in 1994 , but years later he said he should have won that one and 1996 but he also said Ronnie shouldn't have beaten him and Flex in 1998 lol
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He's supposed to improve his physique add more muscle without compromising his proportions ( easier said than done ) but Shawn can't bitch when he wasn't winning contests , which Shawn always did. Now you can make a case for his type of physique SHOULD be what the Mr Olympia represents but according to the IFBB judging criteria Shawn wasn't beating many guys not just Dorian.
He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.
Again, Ray wasn't winning contests, because he spent most of his career competing solely in the Olympia. We've seen guys with lesser physiques rack up trophies at lower shows (Darrem Charles had at least 6 pro wins under his belt; but I don't think he's placed higher than 9th at the O).
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Well like you said he didn't venture out of the Olympia much , but ironically he didn't bitch about his placement in 1994 , but years later he said he should have won that one and 1996 but he also said Ronnie shouldn't have beaten him and Flex in 1998 lol
Flex has has his number for years. I think Ray is more stunned over Coleman leaping over them all to win it. Almost no one saw that coming.
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He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.
Again, Ray wasn't winning contests, because he spent most of his career competing solely in the Olympia. We've seen guys with lesser physiques rack up trophies at lower shows (Darrem Charles had at least pro wins under his belt; but I don't think he's placed higher than 9th at the O).
He did add more muscle to his frame without blowing his proportions; and he added much more than 6 pounds.
No he did not. He won the 87 Nationals at 196lbs and he was supposedly 205lbs in 1994 which is debatable.
Shawn put all his eggs in one basket he thought he could beat the big boys , he was wrong. If he did compete in the spring shows he might have done better for him self as far as compensation and career wins , maybe he wouldn't because in the rare times he did he got beat too
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No he did not. He won the 87 Nationals at 196lbs and he was supposedly 205lbs in 1994 which is debatable.
Shawn put all his eggs in one basket he thought he could beat the big boys , he was wrong. If he did compete in the spring shows he might have done better for him self as far as compensation and career wins , maybe he wouldn't because in the rare times he did he got beat too
Ray has competed at 210 in the early 2000s. You kept saying he only put on 6 pounds in 14 years, not 7.
The only big boys Ray didn't beat in his day were Haney and Yates. Everyone else he has defeated. As for compensation, he had a lucrative Weider contract and placing high at the O paid more than winning smaller shows.
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Ray has competed at 210 in the early 2000s. You kept saying he only put on 6 pounds in 14 years, not 7.
The only big boys Ray didn't beat in his day were Haney and Yates. Everyone else he has defeated.
Yes he competed at 210lbs and his conditioning sucked at that weight so was it really an improvement? especially when it cost him contest placings?
And he did beat the big boys when they were off ( again not his fault ) but this proves Shawn's ethos of the judges only reward mass-monsters was bull shit.
Shawn was born in the wrong era , and he was born to short lol last Mr Olympia winner who was his height ( supposedly 5'7" ) was Samir Bannout in 83 and he beat Samir in 84? A 5'11" 235lb Haney , then a 242lb 5'10" 1/2 Dorian and then a 5'11" 249lb Ronnie , see a pattern here?
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Yes he competed at 210lbs and his conditioning sucked at that weight so was it really an improvement? especially when it cost him contest placings?
And he did beat the big boys when they were off ( again not his fault ) but this proves Shawn's ethos of the judges only reward mass-monsters was bull shit.
Shawn was born in the wrong era , and he was born to short lol last Mr Olympia winner who was his height ( supposedly 5'7" ) was Samir Bannout in 83 and he beat Samir in 84? A 5'11" 235lb Haney , then a 242lb 5'10" 1/2 Dorian and then a 5'11" 249lb Ronnie , see a pattern here?
Does the name Dexter Jackson ring a bell?
Ray was in the wrong era, in that he competed in an era where the reigning Mr. O simply had to show up with a pulse.
That why fans were excited when Cutler do all beat Coleman in 2006, something that hadn't happened in 22 years. Of course, Cutler would lose just two years later to the aforementioned Jackson, only to best Jackson the next year.
In fact, 2009 may be the only time that a defending Mr. O lost despite looking as good as he did when he won the title.
What should have happened with Ray in 1994 happened to Jackson in 2008.
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Does the name Dexter Jackson ring a bell?
Ray was in the wrong era, in that he competed in an era where the reigning Mr. O simply had to show up with a pulse.
That why fans were excited when Cutler do all beat Coleman in 2006, something that hadn't happened in 22 years. Of course, Cutler would lose just two years later to the aforementioned Jackson, only to best Jackson the next year.
In fact, 2009 may be the only time that a defending Mr. O lost despite looking as good as he did when he won the title.
What should have happened with Ray in 1994 happened to Jackson in 2008.
Dex toiled away and finally got the nod , and Dex was much heavier than Shawn ever was and had great conditioning to boot. same with Jay. Cutler technically beat Coleman in 2001 and then Gunther beat him in 2002 and some say Kevin should have beaten in 2002 at the Olympia
And Dex beat a WAY off Jay , Dorian wasn't that off in 94 he was off from 1993 but not as bad as Jay and still good enough to beat Shawn.
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Shawn looks good standing alone
so does your hero, seen here in his 'best ever' shape at the 95 olympia LMAO ::)
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as far as Ray beating Haney, if shawn showed up in career best shape, recall Haney was WAY OFF in 90 and 89 he would have.
really, look at this back:
its lightyears ahead of Labradas and probably better than the shape Haney was in at the 89/90 olympia's
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so does your hero, seen here in his 'best ever' shape at the 95 olympia LMAO ::)
Same contest Oppppssssss thanks for playing ;) You always were afraid of Dorian posing ;)
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as far as Ray beating Haney, if shawn showed up in career best shape, recall Haney was WAY OFF in 90 and 89 he would have.
really, look at this back:
its lightyears ahead of Labradas and probably better than the shape Haney was in at the 89/90 olympia's
LMFAO I've heard it all now lol You always were good for a roaring laugh lol thats why no one ever took you seriously because of your outlandish nonsense
Ray's back is NOT ' lightyears ' ahead of Labradas and entertaining it was , wouldn't matter , Shaw's back was '
lightyears ' ahead of Nasser's and he still got beat , when will you learn it's POSES NOT PARTS that win contests?
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when will you learn it's POSES NOT PARTS that win contests?
yes hence why shawn in his career best shape would kill Lee Labrada and probably beat Haney as he was in 89 and 90.
deal with it.
he would beat Lee in every pose
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And what he's supposed to do, besides add too much weight too quickly, blow his proportions, and ruin a top 5 physique?
Exactly. By the perverse standards of the judges. They would have rewarded him him for ruining his physique. Have you ever noticed, that except for a few exceptions, most bbers look their best their first 1 or two years? Those that gradually add weight stay within their physique's "lines". But, at the same time, the judges and fans say that they don't change and their physiques are "boring".
And that is one of the major problems with modern day bbing. It is bodybuilding, and presenting the best physique on that day. But the judges reward freakiness, and the fans want to see freakiness. Either because it is rewarded or because that is what they want to see.
Shawn, Dex, Flex, Chris were not "freaks".
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Dex toiled away and finally got the nod , and Dex was much heavier than Shawn ever was and had great conditioning to boot. same with Jay. Cutler technically beat Coleman in 2001 and then Gunther beat him in 2002 and some say Kevin should have beaten in 2002 at the Olympia
And Dex beat a WAY off Jay , Dorian wasn't that off in 94 he was off from 1993 but not as bad as Jay and still good enough to beat Shawn.
That was my point. Jackson got the nod, because the judges ceased with that incumbency factor stuff. The reigning Mr. O (Cutler) was way off the mark and he got beat.
I believe the same should have happen in 1994, with Ray getting the title instead of Yates. Like Jackson, Ray would have won it just once. But, if there was one for him to win, it was that one.
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yes hence why shawn in his career best shape would kill Lee Labrada and probably beat Haney as he was in 89 and 90.
deal with it.
he would beat Lee in every pose
Sure he would ::) A career best Ray ( according to you ) LOST the pre-judging to an OFF Kevin Levrone in 94 LMFAO and yet he's supposed to beat an Off Haney and a spot-on Labrada , I'll give you this , at least you're consistently stupid :D
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That was my point. Jackson got the nod, because the judges ceased with that incumbency factor stuff. The reigning Mr. O (Cutler) was way off the mark and he got beat.
I believe the same should have happen in 1994, with Ray getting the title instead of Yates. Like Jackson, Ray would have won it just once. But, if there was one for him to win, it was that one.
My point is Jay deserved to lose that contest and Dorian didn't. Jay was way off and paid the price , same as Ronnie in 2002 at the SOS
Dorian wasn't that bad in 94
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Exactly. By the perverse standards of the judges. They would have rewarded him him for ruining his physique. Have you ever noticed, that except for a few exceptions, most bbers look their best their first 1 or two years? Those that gradually add weight stay within their physique's "lines". But, at the same time, the judges and fans say that they don't change and their physiques are "boring".
And that is one of the major problems with modern day bbing. It is bodybuilding, and presenting the best physique on that day. But the judges reward freakiness, and the fans want to see freakiness. Either because it is rewarded or because that is what they want to see.
Shawn, Dex, Flex, Chris were not "freaks".
That defies logic because Shawn Ray beat Nasser plenty of times , the judges didn't just reward freaks if that were the case , Nasser would have won much more than he did
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Sure he would A career best Ray ( according to you ) LOST the pre-judging to an OFF Kevin Levrone in 94 LMFAO and yet he's supposed to beat an Off Haney and a spot-on Labrada , I'll give you this , at least you're consistently stupid
when are you going to realize that you can't compare two physiques by looking at the scorecards at different contests and trying to act like the numbers assigned to each physique mean anything when trying to compare them?
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you are comparing apples to oranges.
just because shawn got a 7 at one contest and lee a 6 or vice versa means nothing
you have to compare them physique to physique not number at one venue at one date compared to a number at another venue at another date.. ::)
competely retarded and ignorant of the way bb works.
when you compare the two shawn comes out on top by a large margin when shawn was at his peak
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My point is Jay deserved to lose that contest and Dorian didn't. Jay was way off and paid the price , same as Ronnie in 2002 at the SOS
Dorian wasn't that bad in 94
Cutler had both of his biceps intact. Yates didn't.
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Levrone looked very flat during the finals @ the 1995 Olympia. He peaked for prejudging. But got flatter & flatter as the day wore on. He was very impressive at the prejudging
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Cutler had both of his biceps intact. Yates didn't.
True , but Yates had his density & dryness and Jay looked pregnant and soft
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That defies logic because Shawn Ray beat Nasser plenty of times , the judges didn't just reward freaks if that were the case , Nasser would have won much more than he did
The problem with Nasser as you had pointed out years ago, was that Nasser was two types of physiques. One from the front, and one from the back. He awed people with his size and from the front, but when he turned around, he was not the same.
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when are you going to realize that you can't compare two physiques by looking at the scorecards at different contests and trying to act like the numbers assigned to each physique mean anything when trying to compare them?
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you are comparing apples to oranges.
just because shawn got a 7 at one contest and lee a 6 or vice versa means nothing
you have to compare them physique to physique not number at one venue at one date compared to a number at another venue at another date.. ::)
competely retarded and ignorant of the way bb works.
when you compare the two shawn comes out on top by a large margin when shawn was at his peak
We can assess them competitively DIRECTLY when they competed against each other and guess what? Shawn got his ass kicked by Lee ;)
Lee beat Shawn 4 times and Shawn just beat him ONCE.
Thanks for playing Hulkster , as usual you have zero for me.
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I am a Dorian fan, but I think that Levrone should have won in 1994. Yates didn't train his upper body much during the final month leading up to that show.
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The problem with Nasser as you had pointed out years ago, was that Nasser was two types of physiques. One from the front, and one from the back. He awed people with his size and from the front, but when he turned around, he was not the same.
Absolutely true and it's why Shawn beat him but to say they just rewards freaks isn't accurate , hell if that were the case Fux , Atwood , Nasser , and Dillett would have been the kings
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I am a Dorian fan, but I think that Levrone should have won in 1994. Yates didn't train his upper body much during the final month leading up to that show.
I made these before , these are from 1993 and 1994 one bicep is slightly shorter than the other , it wasn't that big of a deal and like the head judge said , it made no OVERALL difference.
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Yates crushing Shawn on a rear double bi in 1994
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Shawn is getting dwarfed pretty badly in this pic. Levrone & Yates were too big & wide for Shawn.
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We can assess them competitively DIRECTLY when they competed against each other and guess what? Shawn got his ass kicked by Lee
but shawn wasn't close to his career peak except in 93
and guess what happened:
LEE LOST MISERABLYshawn was even better in 94.
thanks for playing. you lose.
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but shawn wasn't close to his career peak except in 93
and guess what happened:
LEE LOST MISERABLYshawn was even better in 94.
thanks for playing. you lose.
LMAO he beat Lee ONCE and he was lucky to do that. FACT Lee beat Shawn 4-to-1 , Lee's better kid. Deal with it 8)
Facts are still NOT your friend moron.
Shawn was just as good in 92 as he was in 94 and he " LOST MISERABLY "
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Here's Shawn 1987 , looks just like he did most of his career
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Shawn is getting dwarfed pretty badly in this pic. Levrone & Yates were too big & wide for Shawn.
Shawn's lower body in better "condition"...and check those diamond calves.
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Shawn's lower body in better "condition"...and check those diamond calves.
What do you mean?
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Here's Shawn 1987 , looks just like he did most of his career
but not from the back:
shawn at the 88 NOC vs 95 Mr. O:
sorry ND, you lose yet again.
real world comparisons are not your friend.
your scorecard "facts" (sic) get proven wrong. probably why they aren't facts to begin with. Fallacies, actually.
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Shawn Ray was damned near perfect IMO.
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What do you mean?
In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.
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In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.
shhh.. ND doesn't see that when comparing the scorecard from the 90 olympia vs the 94 olympia.. ::)
what a tool.
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but not from the back:
shawn at the 88 NOC vs 95 Mr. O:
sorry ND, you lose yet again.
real world comparisons are not your friend.
your scorecard "facts" (sic) get proven wrong. probably why they aren't facts to begin with. Fallacies, actually.
yes from the back dummy , check out the fucking video moron , you Googled the worse pic of Shawn's back you could find as proof and think you struck gold ::) typical dumb move from you but hey you don't have anything to work with to begin with.
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In that pic Shawn's lower body is dryer and more defined---glutes, hams, calves, than Dorians or Kevin's is.
That's because Dorian's not actually hitting the shot yet , dorian's calves , hams and ass striations are all there when he's flexing
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shhh.. ND doesn't see that when comparing the scorecard from the 90 olympia vs the 94 olympia.. ::)
what a tool.
Let's compare when he's actually flexing ;) See Parker gets the benefit of the doubt because you're infamous for posting pictures of Yates unflexed because you're to scared to compare them side-by-side
I'm still laughing at Shawn is better than Lee Labrada despite Lee beating him 4-out-5 times LMFAO
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Shawn's lower body in better "condition"...and check those diamond calves.
Shawn gave up too much back mass & lat width.
Shawn had better conditioned hamstrings than Lee Haney or Flex Wheeler... but they trumped Shawn on back mass & width
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Shawn gave up too much back mass & lat width.
Shawn had conditioned hamstrings than Lee Haney or Flex Wheeler... but they trumped Shawn on back mass & width
True , better hams & calves than Flex and still lost
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True , better hams & calves than Flex and still lost
both look insane...
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both look insane...
Flex admitted his conditioning in 1993 wasn't as good as it had been because he cleaned up in the spring shows but he was off and still trampled Shawn
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True , better hams & calves than Flex and still lost
Flex=the difference between 218 at the O and 216 at the Arnold.
These weights are from what I believe was an interview from Joe McNeil who was responsible for Flex's 92-93 condition.
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The president is about to enter this early 90's debate
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Flex=the difference between 218 at the O and 216 at the Arnold.
These weights are from what I believe was an interview from Joe McNeil who was responsible for Flex's 92-93 condition.
The difference is he was worn out by the time of the Olympia , trying to replicate your conditioning from contest to contest is next to impossible. Shawn only competed once in 1993 and was fresh , Flex competed 6 times in 1993
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Cool pic from 1996. Yates & Ray
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Cool pic from 1996. Yates & Ray
I like how that site steals all my scans puts his watermark and passes them off his own ::)
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1996: Yates, Nasser, Ray
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1996: Yates, Nasser, Ray
front and rear lat spread yates probably snapped into that pose like no other 'coleman/haney as well'colemans front lat spread wasn't particular as flowing as yates/haney,,to the read double bi shot even here on video ray looks better overall flow wise ,yates rear double bi was never pretty due to arms and delts being good not great from the rear,upper back to mid/lower he carried that pose due to his remainder back portions being incredible..
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yates rear double bi was never pretty due to arms and delts being good not great from the rear,upper back to mid/lower he carried that pose due to his remainder back portions being incredible..
true, thats part of why when comparing Coleman and Yates in the rear double bi, Coleman has a distinct edge, those arms and delts being far superior help a lot.
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true, thats part of why when comparing Coleman and Yates in the rear double bi, Coleman has a distinct edge, those arms and delts being far superior help a lot.
amazing that at that time yates was the 'back man'drew an ovation when he hit lat spreads,but rear double bi looks like its on a different bber,,,
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front and rear lat spread yates probably snapped into that pose like no other 'coleman/haney as well'colemans front lat spread wasn't particular as flowing as yates/haney,,to the read double bi shot even here on video ray looks better overall flow wise ,yates rear double bi was never pretty due to arms and delts being good not great from the rear,upper back to mid/lower he carried that pose due to his remainder back portions being incredible..
I see the opposite , Shawn's rear double biceps shot showcases heavyweight's arms & delts and a middleweights back with huge quads that dominate his undersized calves relative to them. Yates was a tad flat that year and when he was lighter his delts seemed to get smaller and less rounded
You'll be hard pressed to find a better more complete back double biceps shot than this
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true, thats part of why when comparing Coleman and Yates in the rear double bi, Coleman has a distinct edge, those arms and delts being far superior help a lot.
270lbs vs 244lbs lol Dorian tramples Ronnie-lite
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I see the opposite , Shawn's rear double biceps shot showcases heavyweight's arms & delts and a middleweights back with huge quads that dominate his undersized calves relative to them. Yates was a tad flat that year and when he was lighter his delts seemed to get smaller and less rounded
You'll be hard pressed to find a better more complete back double biceps shot than this
he looks great there and he always flattened /less fuel on stage exceept 96 euro tour looked insane,,but he still has a less lat flair/taper on outer edges to waist of his lats its staight a bit down,when he does lat spread it goes and goes 'wide'.
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this is one of the greatest bb pics ever IMO:
why? he looks tiny and that's just standing by himself, where he typically looks his best
he was a top 6 guy in the best era ever but i don't see how anybody can think he deserved to be Mr. Olympia, he didn't even deserve his two 2nd place finishes
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why? he looks tiny and that's just standing by himself, where he typically looks his best
he was a top 6 guy in the best era ever but i don't see how anybody can think he deserved to be Mr. Olympia, he didn't even deserve his two 2nd place finishes
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He was lucky to place ahead of Kevin in 94 , who was ahead of Shawn after the prejudging
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Shawn and Lee both had incredible physiques. Either of those two at 212 would kick the ass of the entire line up of the sorry ass 212 we are seeing now.
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What I don't understand is how going by the actual rulebook, is how Dorian had won his last few Mr.O contests. They have several mandatory poses that are judged, surely having badly torn muscles should effect multiple different poses. I mean his bicep being torn to shit was visible in almost every one and would detract from the pose itself. Having him win with perfect scores while having torn muscles and being beat to shit pretty much tells you all you need to know about the corrupt judging. I understand why he won the first few but after the tears and gut came into place more complete guys like shawn, flex and even nassar that one year should have placed ahead of him.
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I see the opposite , Shawn's rear double biceps shot showcases heavyweight's arms & delts and a middleweights back with huge quads that dominate his undersized calves relative to them. Yates was a tad flat that year and when he was lighter his delts seemed to get smaller and less rounded
You'll be hard pressed to find a better more complete back double biceps shot than this
Dorian just looks like a blocky mess to me, his calves were impressive though.
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Not having water available when you have powerful pharmaceutical diuretics in your body = unsafe
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Remember this pic of Levrone? I'd say it's from 1993-1995 era
Delts & Arms popping out of his shirt
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sick build,great muscle fullness,condition...yeah contest wins were never in the mix,,but he only competed once a yr...if he did grand prixes he would have racked up many ...one pic here 2nd one he's under 20...
disagree here
shawn could not hold his conditioning for more than 1 show
that's why he never did the post O grand prix tour
he could only peak once a year
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was it levrone that had a stripper gf that off'd herself?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568146.0;attach=605483;image)
Pretty fcked up to photochop Lee Haney's arms to appear so small. not cool. :-\
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was it levrone that had a stripper gf that off'd herself?
that was Dillett
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Side-by-Side comparisons of Levrone & Ray @ 1994 Mr O
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Various 1994 back comparisons
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568146.0;attach=606182;image)
Future Mr. O RC mesmerized by the cock in this pic, Nasser contemplating quantum physics.....or wondering if he remembered to feed the cats...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568146.0;attach=606182;image)
Future Mr. O RC mesmerized by the cock in this pic, Nasser contemplating quantum physics.....or wondering if he remembered to feed the cats...
HaHa!
Samir looks a schmoe pretending to be a competitor. A schmoe's goal: find a way onstage and stand amongst their prey.
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disagree here
shawn could not hold his conditioning for more than 1 show
that's why he never did the post O grand prix tour
he could only peak once a year
I don't know why he didn't do those shows,,most of those guys looked at the grand prix for the extra money and even going in to them 90pct of Olympia condition could be good enough...
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I don't know why he didn't do those shows,,most of those guys looked at the grand prix for the extra money and even going in to them 90pct of Olympia condition could be good enough...
I think I remember reading those shows being somewhat of a grind - shitty travel conditions, shitty hotels, hard to procure food....etc.
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I think I remember reading those shows being somewhat of a grind - shitty travel conditions, shitty hotels, hard to procure food....etc.
def a pain i'm sure,,air travel destroys condition,retain water from it..
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I think I remember reading those shows being somewhat of a grind - shitty travel conditions, shitty hotels, hard to procure food....etc.
Shawn had a Weider contract (when that was a big deal)
And he had other sponsors.
Plus, he was a major steroid dealer on the west coast. So he was set for money; he did need to do the European tour
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=568146.0;attach=606182;image)
Future Mr. O RC mesmerized by the cock in this pic, Nasser contemplating quantum physics.....or wondering if he remembered to feed the cats...
Andreas Munzer, thinking he's being ripped off. John Sherman wondering if his tank is half empty or half full.
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Side-by-Side comparisons of Levrone & Ray @ 1994 Mr O
shawn got LevrOWNED but the idiot judges didn't see it that way
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SR had quality over the rest. Most consistent in condition and placement at every show. His mouth and opinions held him from winning. E.O.S.
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Would Shawn have killed it 212 Olympia?
Was he better then Flex?
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my gosh he looks GREAT in that first pic
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Would Shawn have killed it 212 Olympia?
Was he better then Flex?
I THINK he would have either won a lot or top 3 every show,,,he's on par with david henry with better chest/legs..
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I THINK he would have either won a lot or top 3 every show,,,he's on par with david henry with better chest/legs..
U kidding? Dave henry? Haha shawn is light years better. Also biceps. Henry has the worse no "biceps peak" ever. U see it when he's doing a front double or rear double bi
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U kidding? Dave henry? Haha shawn is light years better. Also biceps. Henry has the worse no "biceps peak" ever. U see it when he's doing a front double or rear double bi
david henry gets in great shape,has an amazing back/good arms maybe not a great fdb pose like shawn,i'm saing if the two of them were prime I could see them going 1 or 2 ..I see your point shawn was a full like heavy turning pro ,henry a smallish middle who blew up as a pro...
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Ray was one of the best of all time. He was the first that I know of to do an actual training tape that actually filmed him training. Prior to that they were all demonstrating exercises. His training tape, "To The Extreme" is still one of my favorite tapes. Like Dorian Yates tapes it footage of him doing real live training.
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Ray was one of the best of all time. He was the first that I know of to do an actual training tape that actually filmed him training. Prior to that they were all demonstrating exercises. His training tape, "To The Extreme" is still one of my favorite tapes. Like Dorian Yates tapes it footage of him doing real live training.
the guy knew how to market himself ...
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Ray was one of the best of all time. He was the first that I know of to do an actual training tape that actually filmed him training. Prior to that they were all demonstrating exercises. His training tape, "To The Extreme" is still one of my favorite tapes. Like Dorian Yates tapes it footage of him doing real live training.
Lee Haney definitely had a training video that was made in the 88'-89'
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Lee Haney definitely had a training video that was made in the 88'-89'
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Lee Haney definitely had a training video that was made in the 88'-89'
I'm talking of actual footage for the whole thing. I never saw Lee Haney's "real" training tape. I have see footage of him surrounded by guys doing a couple of sets and the tape is all chopped up. The Ray tape shows every body part and every exercise in actual training.
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I'm talking of actual footage for the whole thing. I never saw Lee Haney's "real" training tape. I have see footage of him surrounded by guys doing a couple of sets and the tape is all chopped up. The Ray tape shows every body part and every exercise in actual training.
RAY WAS STRONG AS WELL...
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RAY WAS STRONG AS WELL...
Yeah for his weight and low bf levels he uses pretty heavy weights with good form
I've seen him do dumbell inclines with 155 or 160's I think for sets of 8 reps, good form
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Yates destroyed them that year...
No question about that.
Yates had a lot of shock and awe, visual impact when he took the Olympia stage in '93.
Pros like Shawn Ray had decent mass and great conditioning with classic lines.
That makes for a great physique BUT doesn't make your jaw drop when they pose on stage.
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I'm talking of actual footage for the whole thing. I never saw Lee Haney's "real" training tape. I have see footage of him surrounded by guys doing a couple of sets and the tape is all chopped up. The Ray tape shows every body part and every exercise in actual training.
Ok, I see what you're saying
Lee did have some footage with just him & his training partner... Training heavy. But then they spliced in the the training class, demonstration footage
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Yeah for his weight and low bf levels he uses pretty heavy weights with good form
I've seen him do dumbell inclines with 155 or 160's I think for sets of 8 reps, good form
WHEN you watch the old show flex workout espn,and you see ray training with boyer'who wss in great shape'during that time too,,you don't realize until v taylor or wheeler/leverone show up how much smaller/compact he was compared to them,they were wide/huge..
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Left to Right: Wiggs, Levrone, Parker, Mal
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^^^That's a giant human being.
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This is the 1994 Mr Olympia contest. For all the shit that people have talked about Dorian that year; you would think that he looked like a fat pig. But watch the first call-out. He looked very impressive (despite the injury).
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Left to Right: Wiggs, Levrone, Parker, Mal
Where are his nephews now?
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Left to Right: Wiggs, Levrone, Parker, Mal
damn never saw that pic before
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Yeah for his weight and low bf levels he uses pretty heavy weights with good form
I've seen him do dumbell inclines with 155 or 160's I think for sets of 8 reps, good form
Isn't there a vid of him doing inclines with 180s?
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Isn't there a vid of him doing inclines with 180s?
Not sure, there prob is, shawn was strong
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Not sure, there prob is, shawn was strong
aybe in this video collection?
http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=30&prodid=3001&site=1 (http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=30&prodid=3001&site=1)