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"And how many sets per exercise?"
"Ah, ahem, we're going to do, the first exercise we're going to do 3 sets. So we are going to do a light set to get the movement, get everything, get the blood in there. A medium set, to further, you know, get the body and the mind ready. Then the last set is going to be like... like somebody's got a gun to your little baby's head. Yeah. And he's going to pull the trigger unless you fucking give 100%. Life and death. One set."
-- Dorian Yates to Brian Rose just before a leg workout.
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2 warm up sets, 2 moderate to heavy, one 'working' set to failure.
for big muscles like the lats he might do an isolation exercise first like the nautilus machine to fatigue the lats as its so much stronger than say the arms or forearms.
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Of course he did warm up exercises when he uses 410lbs for inclines and full range leg presses with a million pounds. I don't understand the criticism of him doing warm ups. Yes, he used 135 for warm ups for inclines then 225 and finished with 315lbs. They were no where near failure. If he took 410lbs right off the rack with no warm up he would have ripped every tendon he had.
He has always been upfront that he used warm up sets even when he was using two work sets a body part when he was training for the Night of Champions. He also notes some exercises get no warm up sets after the main exercise for a body part.
Guys like John Cardillo Mr. Canada also progressed from two work sets to one. I don't think Cardillo used warm ups for the majority of his exercises but he believed in one work set for higher reps than most HIT guys.
Dave Mastorakis I think didn't use warm ups but he did most of his exercises on machines.
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dense older muscles responds better to mentzer style of training/yates style.
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dense older muscles responds better to mentzer style of training/yates style.
dont forget the protocol
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dense older muscles responds better to mentzer style of training/yates style.
What do you mean? Is this something that comes from a scientific study or just your own observation, i.e., bro science?
There have been studies showing the changes in muscles as you age. You start to lose both the size and the number of fibers as you age. The decline in MGF/IGF, impaired capacity to incorporate amino acids and synthesise proteins causes a lot of the stiffness and sarcopenia one experiences as they age.
What I don't understand is why older, less capable, skeletal muscle tissue would respond better to HIT type training compare to traditional training? It would seem to me that if a certain protocol works best on aging, compromised muscles it would work even better on young muscles that respond to everything better than old muscles.
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2 warm up sets, 2 moderate to heavy, one 'working' set to failure.
for big muscles like the lats he might do an isolation exercise first like the nautilus machine to fatigue the lats as its so much stronger than say the arms or forearms.
Are you saying that's what you do? Putting your spin of Dorian's one warm-up set, one moderate set, and one set to absolute failure?
For the legs, he did start with an isolation exercise. In this case, leg extension before going to the 45 degree leg press, and ending with the standing Hack squat. When the subject of barbell squats came up, as they always do when talking about leg training, he said he stopped doing barbell squats back in 1988. Three years before he competed in his first Mr. Olympia in 1991.
As you mentioned, he did the same for back. I wonder why not for chest? He seem to start with the incline barbell. So did Mentzer when you look at his later training videos.
Pre-exhaust for the legs and back but not for the chest.
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Are you saying that's what you do? Putting your spin of Dorian's one warm-up set, one moderate set, and one set to absolute failure?
For the legs, he did start with an isolation exercise. In this case, leg extension before going to the 45 degree leg press, and ending with the standing Hack squat. When the subject of barbell squats came up, as they always do when talking about leg training, he said he stopped doing barbell squats back in 1988. Three years before he competed in his first Mr. Olympia in 1991.
As you mentioned, he did the same for back. I wonder why not for chest? He seem to start with the incline barbell. So did Mentzer when you look at his later training videos.
Pre-exhaust for the legs and back but not for the chest.
He did a video last year with a UK bodybuilder doing back day. It's on youtube
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Of course he did warm up exercises when he uses 410lbs for inclines and full range leg presses with a million pounds. I don't understand the criticism of him doing warm ups. Yes, he used 135 for warm ups for inclines then 225 and finished with 315lbs. They were no where near failure. If he took 410lbs right off the rack with no warm up he would have ripped every tendon he had.
He has always been upfront that he used warm up sets even when he was using two work sets a body part when he was training for the Night of Champions. He also notes some exercises get no warm up sets after the main exercise for a body part.
Guys like John Cardillo Mr. Canada also progressed from two work sets to one. I don't think Cardillo used warm ups for the majority of his exercises but he believed in one work set for higher reps than most HIT guys.
Dave Mastorakis I think didn't use warm ups but he did most of his exercises on machines.
There are times when I will employ a single high rep set (20 to 50) as a variation on H.I.T. I don't get hurt, I get a great pump and an equally great workout. The weight gets heavier as the reps go up and I am still working HARD by the time I reach failure. I will also do rest/pause when I do this and I never get "stuck" under a bar because it is still relatively light. Sometimes I use pre-exhaust along with the high reps.
If something works for me, I use it until it no longer does then I switch to something else for a while. I have almost always returned to every method of training I have ever used, some more than others.
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Dorian said he did one main set per exercise. The first exercise of the day he would do 4 because building up to a 405 pound incline press for example took time, you can't just do 200 then 405 off the bat. After that he did one set per exercise.
He also did 2 main sets per exercise up to around 1991 then found he didn't need the second.
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The key to all of this is how many "sets" of drugs did he do and how often? That's the only reason Dorian was "Dorian".
The secret ain't a secret but they still want us to believe "genetics" is "key". To some extent it is but just look at the beefy dykes and know that it's really the drug protocol that does the trick.
Shit, just look at Phildo Heath. Fucking midgie manlet loaded with dope. No drugs and Phildo would be a buck fifty.
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The key to all of this is how many "sets" of drugs did he do and how often? That's the only reason Dorian was "Dorian".
The secret ain't a secret but they still want us to believe "genetics" is "key". To some extent it is but just look at the beefy dykes and know that it's really the drug protocol that does the trick.
Shit, just look at Phildo Heath. Fucking midgie manlet loaded with dope. No drugs and Phildo would be a buck fifty.
Dorian out worked his competition. That's why he won. They all had drugs.
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Are you saying that's what you do? Putting your spin of Dorian's one warm-up set, one moderate set, and one set to absolute failure?
For the legs, he did start with an isolation exercise. In this case, leg extension before going to the 45 degree leg press, and ending with the standing Hack squat. When the subject of barbell squats came up, as they always do when talking about leg training, he said he stopped doing barbell squats back in 1988. Three years before he competed in his first Mr. Olympia in 1991.
As you mentioned, he did the same for back. I wonder why not for chest? He seem to start with the incline barbell. So did Mentzer when you look at his later training videos.
Pre-exhaust for the legs and back but not for the chest.
He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.
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Dorian out worked his competition. That's why he won. They all had drugs.
Never said he didn't work "hard". He's like all the rest, a fucking druggie. That is all that made him what he was. That goes for the rest of 'em.
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I talked with him years ago and brought up his "just one set" style. He said he only did one "real" set. That the other preceding sets were just to get the movement set and the body ready. He said "you don't really think I just walk up to the bar, load it up heavy and bang reps out do you? That would be dangerous." Uhhh.. guess he forgot about the injuries he did have.
And people claiming genetics don't matter is full of shit. A large portion of it is drugs, but if you are not a natural born chemical responder, then it won't matter for shit. Look at all the people that use boat loads of drugs and still look like shit. ESFitness claimed to use multiple grams per week and he was still a beanpole but a gunt on him. If you can't genetically respond to chemicals or process the amount of food required to grow up in body weight, then all the drugs in the world won't cut it.
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1 set or 20 sets... without drugs, you'll never look like Dorian or Arnold.
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1 set or 20 sets... without drugs, you'll never look like Dorian or Arnold.
No. But you could look like Mike Ashley, Mike Lockett, or Mike O'Hearn. Obviously, being named "Mike" is the biggest advantage you can have when staying natural.
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1 set or 20 sets... without drugs, you'll never look like Dorian or Arnold.
True.
Also without their genetics or mental attitude / work ethic
You’ll never look like them.
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HIT is bullshit. Casey Viator trained with the Mentzer for years and said Mike and Ray routinely did 12 to 15 sets per bodypart
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True.
Also without their genetics or mental attitude / work ethic
You’ll never look like them.
Lots of people have the work ethic. Genetics and drugs are the most important. Even those with good genetics can look like nothing when they're off gear. Look at Arnold when he was off... just big biceps.
IMO, how the users body utilizes the drugs could be the most important factor of all.
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HIT is bullshit. Casey Viator trained with the Mentzer for years and said Mike and Ray routinely did 12 to 15 sets per bodypart
I saw Viator and both Mentzers train at the original Gold's one day. They didn't do 12 to 15 sets per bodypart. Their workout was intense, brutal and of very short duration. They were very strong and their builds reflected this. The only other thing that comes to mind about the three of them right now is this:
All three of them were quite short.
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I saw Viator and both Mentzers train at the original Gold's one day. They didn't do 12 to 15 sets per bodypart. Their workout was intense, brutal and of very short duration. They were very strong and their builds reflected this. The only other thing that comes to mind about the three of them right now is this:
All three of them were quite short.
And two out of three are dead. Too soon?
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And two out of three are dead. Too soon?
I think all three are dead now. Unless I am mistaken (it happens!), Casey passed a few years ago.
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What do you mean? Is this something that comes from a scientific study or just your own observation, i.e., bro science?
There have been studies showing the changes in muscles as you age. You start to lose both the size and the number of fibers as you age. The decline in MGF/IGF, impaired capacity to incorporate amino acids and synthesise proteins causes a lot of the stiffness and sarcopenia one experiences as they age.
What I don't understand is why older, less capable, skeletal muscle tissue would respond better to HIT type training compare to traditional training? It would seem to me that if a certain protocol works best on aging, compromised muscles it would work even better on young muscles that respond to everything better than old muscles.
You're combating bro science with your own bro science.
Nice
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He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.
It was a hip injury. He started with regular barbell squats then he used smith squats. During his best years his main exercises were the leg press and hack.
I was heavily influenced by Arthur Jones when he came onto the scene. I am always interested in low set trainers like Dorian.
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Thread of loose skin and varicose veins.
Getbig boomers love HIT and Israel.
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lets not forget that we go to the gym for fun and socialize
the more time we can spend at the gym, the better
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He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.
Exactly. Squats are not this magical movement that you have to do for legs. As Dorian said, it's more suited for short people.
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HIT is bullshit. Casey Viator trained with the Mentzer for years and said Mike and Ray routinely did 12 to 15 sets per bodypart
No he didn't. You just made that up. Saw Ray train at Muscle Mill in the 80s.
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You're combating bro science with your own bro science.
Nice
What is the other bro science? That young muscles respond better than old muscles to the same stimulus?
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Mike and Ray did warm ups like Yates. They used one or two true work sets. Casey did use true volume and plenty of it for his best condition in the Olympia that Dickerson won.
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Mike and Ray did warm ups like Yates. They used one or two true work sets. Casey did use true volume and plenty of it for his best condition in the Olympia that Dickerson won.
Lol! Dickerson beating Casey that year. What a joke. I understand the others: Arnold, Franco, Dorian, Jat, Phil -- all winning when they were not the best that night. But Dickerson? Never could figure that out. Worse Olympia ever.
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Lol! Dickerson beating Casey that year. What a joke. I understand the others: Arnold, Franco, Dorian, Jat, Phil -- all winning when they were not the best that night. But Dickerson? Never could figure that out. Worse Olympia ever.
I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.
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whether dorian, mentzer or vol training - you gotta bring the intensity and move lbs to make muscles big/thick/dense.
they all have a variant of it - but intensity is #1
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I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.
Well, I tend to defer to those who were at a show live. I know a lot is lost in pics. Still, those pecs had such a terrible droopy shape. Flat sloping shoulders, wide waist, and probably the worse biceps ever on the O stage. And that left elbow in particular, WTF?
At least on video: Samir, Casey, Zane, even Bertil Fox I thought looked better.
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Well, I tend to defer to those who were at a show live. I know a lot is lost in pics. Still, those pecs had such a terrible droopy shape. Flat sloping shoulders, wide waist, and probably the worse biceps ever on the O stage. And that left elbow in particular, WTF?
At least on video: Samir, Casey, Zane, even Bertil Fox I thought looked better.
Pellius, how many days are you training now with weights? Whole body? Split?
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Pellius, how many days are you training now with weights? Whole body? Split?
I take two days off after every workout so I train each bodypart every six days. Sometimes I'll take an extra day off (usually after legs) so it will be twice a week. Chest, back, delts, one day; rest two days and then arms and legs... and so on. I do a couple of sets of abs every workout more as part of my warm up. Old fashion situp on a decline bench, flip around, then do some leg raises.
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I disagree. If you saw Dickerson live during that couple of years around 79 to 83 his muscles looked dense like he was carved from ice and many standing next to him looked soft. I do agree completely that anyone that had Viator winning that Olympia had a good argument.
Load of hogwash seriously I was at the 82 Olympia in London
Dickerson had no business winning - Top 5/6 Maybe.
Awful judging decision - Worst Winner Ever.
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Load of hogwash seriously I was at the 82 Olympia in London
Dickerson had no business winning - Top 5/6 Maybe.
Awful judging decision - Worst Winner Ever.
Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.
So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality... that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.
This one's a mystery to me.
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Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.
So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality... that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.
This one's a mystery to me.
Dickerson had no business being on the dais. Those Captain Hook elbows of his? Disgusting. His physique sucked. But apparently so does he and perhaps that was the secret to his suckcess with Schmoe Weider. He also made gay porn and one would think that after punishing Nubret for supposed risque' scene(s) in a film with a woman, they banned Serge but Dickerson can smoke the wang and pound the dirtstar on camera and that's fine and dandy? FTN.
Personally, I think Padilla should've won in 81 and Zane, Casey or Platz all looked far better than Dickerson in '82.
And Paris would have made an excellent Mr. Olympia.
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Whew! Now I feel better. I'm no expert so when I see something that just doesn't look right, and to me, this wasn't even close, I think the problem is my lack of sophistication.
So again, this begs the question, how did he win? Usually, it's politics, bankability, personality... that puts someone less than their best on top. But what was the advantage of giving Dickerson the title? At that time they screwed Paris over for being gay and he looked better than Chris ever did, so I don't think it was political correctness. I think they wanted to punish Zane for sitting out in 81. Platz would have been more marketable as the bodybuilding community loved him. Casey, Samir, even Beckles looked better.
This one's a mystery to me.
Mystery to me also.
Think it was a case of he’d paid his dues type thing ::)
Plus I believe it was Oscar State who was running / in charge of the
Olympia show of here & head of the
English Federation of Body Builders EFBB
Was as bent as could be - Doubt we’ll get to know why / how Dickerson won. ::)
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I think all three are dead now. Unless I am mistaken (it happens!), Casey passed a few years ago.
My bad. in any case none of the pros got to where they did doing just one thing. Mentzer was just trying to capitalize on something and he latched on to HIT. He was well on his way when he started it.
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Dickerson comes in the top two of every contest he entered including the Olympia for three years and it's a mystery that he won in London? 1980 He came in second. 1981 he came in second. 1982 he won. Between 1979 (except that Olympia) and his 1982 win he came in first or second in every professional contest he entered. 22 first or second places during that time period in professional contests.
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Dickerson comes in the top two of every contest he entered including the Olympia for three years and it's a mystery that he won in London? 1980 He came in second. 1981 he came in second. 1982 he won. Between 1979 (except that Olympia) and his 1982 win he came in first or second in every professional contest he entered. 22 first or second places during that time period in professional contests.
I know. That's what makes it more perplexing. How the heck did he beat Zane and Mentzer in 1980 and how in the f-ing hell did he place higher than Platz and Padilla in 81, either one the most deserving of the title that year?
I think it says not so much how great Dickerson was but how f-ed up the IFBB is.
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I know. That's what makes it more perplexing. How the heck did he beat Zane and Mentzer in 1980 and how in the f-ing hell did he place higher than Platz and Padilla in 81, either one the most deserving of the title that year?
I think it says not so much how great Dickerson was but how f-ed up the IFBB is.
Mentzer deserved his 5th place finish in 1980. Zane looked better. Now 1981 is something that many could debate and put in a good argument for many. Padilla looked amazing at his most ripped condition. Platz looked like a freak.
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Metzer deserved his 5th place finish in 1980. Zane looked better. Now 1981 is something that many could debate and put in a good argument for many. Padilla looked amazing at his most ripped condition. Platz looked like a freak.
A matter of opinion. But it's pretty much accepted, again not by all, that when talking about the least impressive Mr. Olympia, Chris Dickerson name will always come up.
(https://generationiron.com/watch-least-impressive-mr-olympia-winner-ever/)
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True it's a subjective sport. Judging by that picture I put up in the previous post I don't know how anyone can look at that and say Dickerson wasn't better.
In the end it's subculture of a sport based on drugs. No drugs and there would be no sport. One thing for sure Dickerson competed at a high level for decades. He even won the Mr. America back in the day when they had to prove they were athletes by putting up a total with the snatch, clean and press, and the clean and jerk for needed athletic points. Think any Olympia contestant now could power clean and jerk 315lbs? I would wager none could.
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Dickerson easily beats Zane and Mentzer in the above picture ( from the front relaxed anyway ).
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I think a lot of hate comes Dickerson's way because he is gay. How many of these hero's from the Gold's days that had no job to go to but had a car, apartment and money to live? I wonder what they did for cash? Weider only gave contracts to less than a handful and it was a joke amount. Very few had actual jobs.
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True it's a subjective sport. Judging by that picture I put up in the previous post I don't know how anyone can look at that and say Dickerson wasn't better.
In the end it's subculture of a sport based on drugs. No drugs and there would be no sport. One thing for sure Dickerson competed at a high level for decades. He even won the Mr. America back in the day when they had to prove they were athletes by putting up a total with the snatch, clean and press, and the clean and jerk for needed athletic points. Think any Olympia contestant now could power clean and jerk 315lbs? I would wager none could.
I feel the same way except I don't know how anyone can look at that and say Mentzer wasn't better. Just going body part by body part. Better everything. Those droopy pecs and skinny arms on Chris ruins everything.
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If Mentzer wouldn't have gone crazy after the 1980 Mr. Olympia he probably would have won in 81 and 82. If Ferrigno didn't retire after the 75 Olympia he might have won 10 Olympias. A lot of the success is from showing up.
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I think a lot of hate comes Dickerson's way because he is gay. How many of these hero's from the Gold's days that had no job to go to but had a car, apartment and money to live? I wonder what they did for cash? Weider only gave contracts to less than a handful and it was a joke amount. Very few had actual jobs.
I don't think so at all. Bob Paris was gay and is roundly praised on this board. I'm sure if Chris was straight then the Black card would be pulled. I am far from alone in considering him undeserving of an Olympia title.
And in those days, most never expected to make a living winning bodybuilding shows. Zane was a teacher, Roger was in the Royal Marines, Mentzer was at the height of his earning powers as a writer, and Boyer was involved in various things during his bbing career: worked for Jones, owned a health food store and a gym.
I think in those days GFP wasn't as prevalent then as it is now as it was a different time and that generation had a different work ethic. It was just accepted that you had to get a job and support yourself. Today, people from all aspects of life are trying to figure out how to get money without having to work.
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If Mentzer wouldn't have gone crazy after the 1980 Mr. Olympia he probably would have won in 81 and 82. If Ferrigno didn't retire after the 75 Olympia he might have won 10 Olympias. A lot of the success is from showing up.
Agreed with both. Especially Ferrigno. Because he is so disliked personally I think he is often overlooked at how great a bber he was. He was only around 23 years old in PI. He had a lot of room and years to improve and if he did that, which I am certain he would have, no way Franco, Zane, Dickerson and Samir could have beat him. I think he would even have beaten Haney as well but that can be fiercely debated.
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I don't think so at all. Bob Paris was gay and is roundly praised on this board. I'm sure if Chris was straight then the Black card would be pulled. I am far from alone in considering him undeserving of an Olympia title.
And in those days, most never expected to make a living winning bodybuilding shows. Zane was a teacher, Roger was in the Royal Marines, Mentzer was at the height of his earning powers as a writer, and Boyer was involved in various things during his bbing career: worked for Jones, owned a health food store and a gym.
I think in those days GFP wasn't as prevalent then as it is now as it was a different time and that generation had a different work ethic. It was just accepted that you had to get a job and support yourself. Today, people from all aspects of life are trying to figure out how to get money without having to work.
Many if not most here (myself included) believe Dickerson was the worst Olympia winner ever. Walker is never mentioned in the 80 Olympia and if anyone was screwed over it was him. He looked awesome in the photos although he was probably holding a little water and I've never him posing.
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If Mentzer wouldn't have gone crazy after the 1980 Mr. Olympia he probably would have won in 81 and 82. If Ferrigno didn't retire after the 75 Olympia he might have won 10 Olympias. A lot of the success is from showing up.
Your more than likely correct with them assumptions
Mentzer’s Breakdown only hurt himself & Blaming Arnold
Was rather stupid He should of blamed the judges if any body.
Louie probably would’ve won a couple of Olympia’s had he not
Had such a long Time away from competition.
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Agreed with both. Especially Ferrigno. Because he is so disliked personally I think he is often overlooked at how great a bber he was. He was only around 23 years old in PI. He had a lot of room and years to improve and if he did that, which I am certain he would have, no way Franco, Zane, Dickerson and Samir could have beat him. I think he would even have beaten Haney as well but that can be fiercely debated.
Not so sure Louie would’ve beaten Samir at His Best
Samir with his shape & lines + Condition looked great.
Very different physiques.
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Not so sure Louie would’ve beaten Samir at His Best
Samir with his shape & lines + Condition looked great.
Very different physiques.
Samir was awesome and I think had the perfect physique but if Louie had won 7 Olympias in a row would they have given him the nod? No way Arnold comes back in 80 and no way Zane, Dickerson or Franko win Olympias if Louie never retired. He could have continued shooting the Hulk while getting in contest shape plus it would have brought more attention to the IFBB if a current actor was the Mr. Olympia.
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Samir was awesome and I think had the perfect physique but if Louie had won 7 Olympias in a row would they have given him the nod? No way Arnold comes back in 80 and no way Zane, Dickerson or Franko win Olympias if Louie never retired. He could have continued shooting the Hulk while getting in contest shape plus it would have brought more attention to the IFBB if a current actor was the Mr. Olympia.
Yes very likely if Louie had been on a winning streak
Knowing how much the Olympia judges like winning streaks
That It would’ve been tough for Samir to beat him.
As big & good as Louie could’ve been - Personally I think Samir
Had a Better Physique at his Best.
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Yes very likely if Louie had been on a winning streak
Knowing how much the Olympia judges like winning streaks
That It would’ve been tough for Samir to beat him.
As big & good as Louie could’ve been - Personally I think Samir
Had a Better Physique at his Best.
Absolutely.
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He stopped the barbell squats because of a back injury.
It was a hip injury. He started with regular barbell squats then he used smith squats. During his best years his main exercises were the leg press and hack.
Correct. It was a hip injury that required surgery.
You can see the scar.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/16izix1.jpg)
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Correct. It was a hip injury that required surgery.
You can see the scar.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/16izix1.jpg)
Do you have any from a different angle? Getbig needs to know if he is circumcised.
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Correct. It was a hip injury that required surgery.
You can see the scar.
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Do you have any from a different angle? Getbig needs to know if he is circumcised.
A British guy in his 50s...
My guess is that he is not. :D
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It comes down to your definition of a “real” set.
Let’s say you did a pyramid routine: 15/12/10/8/6 you could say that the only “real” set is the 6.
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I think a lot of hate comes Dickerson's way because he is gay. How many of these hero's from the Gold's days that had no job to go to but had a car, apartment and money to live? I wonder what they did for cash? Weider only gave contracts to less than a handful and it was a joke amount. Very few had actual jobs.
Bodybuilders and bodybuilding was like surfing back there, no negro and modern hipster egos and flash cars, just a bunch of guys living day by day, training most of the day not knowing where their next chicken breast was coming from personally myself, and its before my time I think this would have been the best time to have been in the scene. Less reliance on income and drugs, meaning the actual contests were contested more on what genetics you had as opposed to the noun of drugs you can take and afford.
The sport peaked with Yates in 93, but no doubt its best days were twenty to thirty years earlier.
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I think a lot of hate comes Dickerson's way because he is gay. How many of these hero's from the Gold's days that had no job to go to but had a car, apartment and money to live? I wonder what they did for cash? Weider only gave contracts to less than a handful and it was a joke amount. Very few had actual jobs.
Hate? More disgust really. I have often said it is one thing to be homosexual and another entirely to be a buttslut. Dickerson was a buttslut. He also looks like "Curious George" with those EARS, LOL!
Bob Paris was robbed more than a few times in his bodybuilding career. Dickerson's physique was not only out-massed but out classed. His hideous pointy elbows come immediately to mind and they're attached to a pair of awful arms. Yeah, he is homosexual and was an out and out buttslut from what we knew back then. When it was announced he was coming to the gym I was training in I told the staff I wouldn't be there that day as I would only get into trouble for to telling him to fuck off when he made his overture(s). He made gay porn and I have zero interest and a shit-ton of disgust for anyone that does porn and gay/lesbo porn grosses me out all the more. Serge Nubret got locked out of the IFBB for a whole lot less than what Dicksuckerson did on film and Serge was with a woman.
More than a few guys from the old Gold's did gay porn or just "hustled" for cash. Typical lazy bodybuilders. They'd rather get fucked in the ass than get a real job.
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Hate? More disgust really. I have often said it is one thing to be homosexual and another entirely to be a buttslut. Dickerson was a buttslut. He also looks like "Curious George" with those EARS, LOL!
Bob Paris was robbed more than a few times in his bodybuilding career. Dickerson's physique was not only out-massed but out classed. His hideous pointy elbows come immediately to mind and they're attached to a pair of awful arms. Yeah, he is homosexual and was an out and out buttslut from what we knew back then. When it was announced he was coming to the gym I was training in I told the staff I wouldn't be there that day as I would only get into trouble for to telling him to fuck off when he made his overture(s). He made gay porn and I have zero interest and a shit-ton of disgust for anyone that does porn and gay/lesbo porn grosses me out all the more. Serge Nubret got locked out of the IFBB for a whole lot less than what Dicksuckerson did on film and Serge was with a woman.
More than a few guys from the old Gold's did gay porn or just "hustled" for cash. Typical lazy bodybuilders. They'd rather get fucked in the ass than get a real job.
Sorry you never made it.
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It comes down to your definition of a “real” set.
Let’s say you did a pyramid routine: 15/12/10/8/6 you could say that the only “real” set is the 6.
The real set is the failure set. If your doing sets stopping way short of failure they are warm ups. Dorian would do something like this for inclines. First set: 135lbs for 12, 225 for 8, 315lbs for 6 then 410lbs for 8 reps to failure.
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Sorry you never made it.
You humor is without merit. It's obtuse. Look up the definitions and see if you can figure out which one is appropriate in this instance, ace. Look, kiddo. You're beneath even my pathetic mental skills. Run along and bother some DSK if you wish to bolster your pathetic ego.
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You humor is without merit. It's obtuse. Look up the definitions and see if you can figure out which one is appropriate in this instance, ace. Look, kiddo. You're beneath even my pathetic mental skills. Run along and bother some DSK if you wish to bolster your pathetic ego.
Have you tried online dating?
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Have you tried online dating?
You're fapping right now, aren't you? Pathetic IOL.
Imitation Of Life. Manlet.
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I feel the same way except I don't know how anyone can look at that and say Mentzer wasn't better. Just going body part by body part. Better everything. Those droopy pecs and skinny arms on Chris ruins everything.
I think that guys that worship at the altar of high intensity attribute too much to Mentzer. He was rightly beaten twice in two separate Mr. Universe contests by Robby and Kalman. Yet talk to any HIT guys and they will argue he was robbed. I hear the same thing about the 1980 Olympia contest. He got 5th and I agree with it. In the end it's a beauty pageant.
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Yesterdays leg day. Flame the beanie, it was pouring outside and the gym was cold..
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If Mentzer wouldn't have gone crazy after the 1980 Mr. Olympia he probably would have won in 81 and 82. If Ferrigno didn't retire after the 75 Olympia he might have won 10 Olympias. A lot of the success is from showing up.
bob said he should have won 84 and 85
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I think that guys that worship at the altar of high intensity attribute too much to Mentzer. He was rightly beaten twice in two separate Mr. Universe contests by Robby and Kalman. Yet talk to any HIT guys and they will argue he was robbed. I hear the same thing about the 1980 Olympia contest. He got 5th and I agree with it. In the end it's a beauty pageant.
I don't know why you want to attribute ulterior motives. Could it be that maybe it's possible that some were actually impressed and inspired by Mike Mentzer and then became interested in how he attained his physique?
And as far as 1980, people always mistake that it wasn't so much that Mentzer felt he should have won when in fact his main beef was that Arnold should not have won and he had the show fixed in his favor. Mike was not alone in that assessment. There was a reason many of the top bbers boycotted the next Olympia and the ABC decided not to air the broadcast of that competition.
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I don't know why you want to attribute ulterior motives. Could it be that maybe it's possible that some were actually impressed and inspired by Mike Mentzer and then became interested in how he attained his physique?
And as far as 1980, people always mistake that it wasn't so much that Mentzer felt he should have won when in fact his main beef was that Arnold should not have won and he had the show fixed in his favor. Mike was not alone in that assessment. There was a reason many of the top bbers boycotted the next Olympia and the ABC decided not to air the broadcast of that competition.
Mike was entitled to his opinion that Arnold Shouldn’t of Won
Other than Himself Whom did he think should’ve won.
From the pics and videos I’d have Arnold Then Zane, Mike / Dickerson / Boyer
Fighting for 3rd.
Though not at his Biggest & Best Arnold had enough to to win.
Mike should’ve added some chest & back fullness and competed in 81
Instead of letting his annoyance at Arnold ruin his mental state & life.
Sad that Arnold / Him losing had such an impact , The excessive use
Of Stimulants didn’t help either.
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2 warm up sets, 2 moderate to heavy, one 'working' set to failure.
for big muscles like the lats he might do an isolation exercise first like the nautilus machine to fatigue the lats as its so much stronger than say the arms or forearms.
Interesting. So it would be something like
1 to 2 warm up sets at 60% of top weight
2 moderate sets at 80% of top weight
1 set to failure top weight.
Similar to what Reg park did.