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It seems Oprah took their case:
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Nope. Heard him on the radio today.
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America's most loved pervert and rapist for 30 years.
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I can understand why he wanted to be white but i don‘t understand why black people still liked him after that
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I can understand why he wanted to be white but i don‘t understand why black people still liked him after that
Depends on who you siding with, people pick and choose
Look at that gay pervert fashion designer that died Karl Lagerfeld (disgrace of a German btw) he’s been on record saying sexist, racist stuff, all documented yet all these celebs and his supporters cried when he died and he gets a free pass
Now Trump on the other hand gets called every name in the book by the same people supporting that gay pervert
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Wish they would accept the dirty horrible bastards guilt and wipe him from history and stop playing his piece of shit songs on the radio
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Where's the Weinstein coverage? He is still alive.
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Where's the Weinstein coverage? He is still alive.
Where have you been? It was all over headlines
first he’s a Jew, second he will get his when can convicted and charged, third Oprah was the one that brought this to light
You want to put it that way MJ and R kelly have been “guilty” for decades, why now are they finally getting their dues??
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It seems Oprah took their case:
Before you decide watch the video that debunks the story on Youtube.
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Before you decide watch the video that debunks the story on Youtube.
Post a link
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Post a link
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we will still be rocking those mj songs when posing!!
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Still think his music will be played but some networks will blacklist him. The Simpsons have dropped the classic episode which featured him.
Dude was clearly a mentally ill pederast and didn't even make much effort to hide it.
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Still think his music will be played but some networks will blacklist him. The Simpsons have dropped the classic episode which featured him.
Dude was clearly a mentally ill pederast and didn't even make much effort to hide it.
The fact that he didn't try to hide it makes me question if he even did it. Most pedos are secretive and hide their intentions but Michael told every one he had kids in his bed. If he was guilty of it I think the parents knew and were getting paid as it was happening as we know of the pedo rings in Hollywood. They had to know. Who in the Hell would let their little kids stay over night with a single man in his 30's or any other age?
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Wish they would accept the dirty horrible bastards guilt and wipe him from history and stop playing his piece of shit songs on the radio
" Man in the mirror " too ?
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Weinstein actually has a pretty good documentary, but it was on PBS's Frontline, so many people probably never saw it -
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You can still watch the whole thing, at least here in the States by searching "Weinstein, Frontline" in Google.
As for the HBO documentary, it's an overly long, overly provocative thing that is poorly done. It provides no counter point, etc.... That being said, as you watch it, it draws up a lot of uncomfortable emotion, so it works well if you want to "cancel" someone. I've watched 100's of documentaries over the years, and the only other that made me as sick and angry in the moment was another pedophilia one, much better done called Chickenhawk (www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhgOt4PFD6U).
I do believe Jackson was a pedophile, I just wish there was a more scholarly work used to out him.
As for if he'll be totally erased from modern culture? I doubt it. He still has huge foreign support, and the black opinion seems to be 80/20 in support of him. Many view this as just another attempt to disrespect a black icon.
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the only thing michael jackson is guilty of is composing great bodybuilding pose-friendly music
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The fact that he didn't try to hide it makes me question if he even did it. Most pedos are secretive and hide their intentions but Michael told every one he had kids in his bed. If he was guilty of it I think the parents knew and were getting paid as it was happening as we know of the pedo rings in Hollywood. They had to know. Who in the Hell would let their little kids stay over night with a single man in his 30's or any other age?
I don't think Jackson believed he was doing anything wrong. He used a child like persona and a story about reclaiming a lost childhood to justify the sleepovers.
I think the parents were just in awe of Jackson and starstruck. They likely didn't think that a global megastar could be capable of having pedophile inclinations and just felt privileged that he wanted to be around them. The expensive gifts and luxuries he gave distracted them further. Since the boys also seemed to enjoy their time with Jackson and didn't show signs of trauma, the parents may have not suspected anything. They often said that they started viewing Jackson almost as a family member.
They definitely deserve to take much of the blame though, especially when Jackson acted highly inappropriately -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6774745/Michael-Jackson-accuser-James-Safechucks-father-tells-kiss-son-lips.html
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I don't think Jackson believed he was doing anything wrong. He used a child like persona and a story about reclaiming a lost childhood to justify the sleepovers.
I think the parents were just in awe of Jackson and starstruck. They likely didn't think that a global megastar could be capable of having pedophile inclinations and just felt privileged that he wanted to be around them. The expensive gifts and luxuries he gave distracted them further. Since the boys also seemed to enjoy their time with Jackson and didn't show signs of trauma, the parents may have not suspected anything. They often said that they started viewing Jackson almost as a family member.
They definitely deserve to take much of the blame though, especially when Jackson acted highly inappropriately -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6774745/Michael-Jackson-accuser-James-Safechucks-father-tells-kiss-son-lips.html
I have to Disagree- He definitely Knew what he was doing was wrong.
That crap about a childlike persona is Bollocks - I’d say most men are always children at heart
In one way or another - Only They Don’t want to sleep with very young boys.
I do agree that the parents have a lot to answer for - leaving young children with a grown man
They hardly knew from the get go - Very Strange .
As for the “Seeing Michael as a Family Member” Crap - So They’d Let their sons sleep with
Other older men if they were family ::) - Yeah Right of course they would.
Jackson was rich & famous with the best lawyers available He thought he could get away with it
Or buy his way out (which he did) The childlike “Persona” Bollocks was just a cover for him.
The man was a complete weirdo & his Fame & $’s allowed him to get away with it Just as others in
Hollyweird & Music Etc with fame & $’s Do.
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Dont seem so ::)
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I don't believe those soybois on that documentary with their extra-detailed homo erotic accounts.
Also a lot of stuff on the show has been refuted, plus MJ was never found guilty, despite long fbi investigations.
I used to think he was a pedo but now I feel sorry for him, as he's just an easy target for the media.
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at this point who even cares, he's dead.
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this guy does a rundown not sure how accurate
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I have to Disagree- He definitely Knew what he was doing was wrong.
That crap about a childlike persona is Bollocks - I’d say most men are always children at heart
In one way or another - Only They Don’t want to sleep with very young boys.
I do agree that the parents have a lot to answer for - leaving young children with a grown man
They hardly knew from the get go - Very Strange .
As for the “Seeing Michael as a Family Member” Crap - So They’d Let their sons sleep with
Other older men if they were family ::) - Yeah Right of course they would.
Jackson was rich & famous with the best lawyers available He thought he could get away with it
Or buy his way out (which he did) The childlike “Persona” Bollocks was just a cover for him.
The man was a complete weirdo & his Fame & $’s allowed him to get away with it Just as others in
Hollyweird & Music Etc with fame & $’s Do.
Jackson knew what he was doing was illegal and would send him to jail if uncovered, but I think he thought his actions weren't wrong ethically/morally.
The child like persona was definitely an act to make himself appear pure/innocent imo.
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Michael a gud boy! He din do nuffins!!! >:(
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I don't believe those soybois on that documentary with their extra-detailed homo erotic accounts.
Also a lot of stuff on the show has been refuted, plus MJ was never found guilty, despite long fbi investigations.
I used to think he was a pedo but now I feel sorry for him, as he's just an easy target for the media.
OJ Simpson and many others have been found not Guilty after long investigations.
Feel sorry for Him !! Really - That adds You to My Alert List.
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at this point who even cares, he's dead.
Hmmm - To Start With Probably Those He Abused I’d Say.
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I watched the documentary. Jackson is one sick fuck.
Hopefully he's rotting in hell right now.
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FBI said they found nothing on Jackson after years of investigating. But I'm supposed to believe this out of the blue bullshit. Fuck Oprah c o o n ass!
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I watched the documentary. Jackson is one sick fuck.
Hopefully he's rotting in hell right now.
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Though watching the documentary didn’t add or change what I thought about him,
His behaviour & actions all through his association with young Boys around was
Always very weird & suspect.
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No Doubt Some on Here Would review the history & accounts of Jimmy Savile’s
Pattern of Behaviour and Not find anything untoward or troubling Either.
I feel for their children with their judgement & leaving them with babysitters.
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FBI said they found nothing on Jackson after years of investigating. But I'm supposed to believe this out of the blue bullshit. Fuck Oprah c o o n ass!
this.
If you look at the evidences with unbiased eyes the guy was innocent. He beat the case in 2003 and the 90s settlement wasn't as black and white as it seemed.
I believed he was a pedo until I actually looked into the stuff myself.
He was just an eccentric genius, who tried being nice to people and it ended up biting him in the ass. A lot of these families that latched onto him and leeched from him were showbiz parent types.
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No Doubt Some on Here Would review the history & accounts of Jimmy Savile’s
Pattern of Behaviour and Not find anything untoward or troubling Either.
I feel for their children with their judgement & leaving them with babysitters.
Our jimmy had 100s of kids come out with accounts which were verified as possible based on circumstances.
There is no such thing with MJ, just a few leeches trying to make a buck while the vast majority of the kids he was around say nothing bad happened.
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is this movie any good?
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He was just an eccentric genius, who tried being nice to people and it ended up biting him in the ass. A lot of these families that latched onto him and leeched from him were showbiz parent types.
It wasn't the families who latched onto Jackson, but Jackson latching onto them if they had a prepubescent son that he liked.
Jackson was the one who pursued “friendships” with the young boys. He spent most his entire adult life forming strange obsessive relationships with young boys which would eventually result with them sleeping over in his bed for months on end. Jackson would continue this behaviour and put himself in this situation even after being accused of molestation.
We don’t even know the full number of potential victims that might exist since it’s possible that Jackson paid off many families before any allegations went public. What we do know is that those who have accused Jackson of abuse all had very strong relations with him. They all knew him well and spent long periods of time alone with him. Their accusations have to be taken seriously regardless of what may or may not have happened.
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It wasn't the families who latched onto Jackson, but Jackson latching onto them if they had a prepubescent son that he liked.
Jackson was the one who pursued “friendships” with the young boys. He spent most his entire adult life forming strange obsessive relationships with young boys which would eventually result with them sleeping over in his bed for months on end. Jackson would continue this behaviour and put himself in this situation even after being accused of molestation.
We don’t even know the full number of potential victims that might exist since it’s possible that Jackson paid off many families before any allegations went public. What we do know is that those who have accused Jackson of abuse all had very strong relations with him. They all knew him well and spent long periods of time alone with him. Their accusations have to be taken seriously regardless of what may or may not have happened.
And it was always 7-13yr old BOYS, and the second they displayed outward signs of puberty he dropped them like a hot potato.People seriously arguing he was setup, innocent etc have to be the most gullible people on earth.If a 40yr old single guy down the street only hung around 7-13yr old boys, sent them faxes saying he loved them, had a garden full of kids toys, house full of toys, sleepovers with 10yr old boys, allegations of abuse etc etc, youd all know what the deal was.This whole thing with jackos defenders should be exhibit A in a study of media brainwashing over many years.People dont want to face they got duped.
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Weinstein actually has a pretty good documentary, but it was on PBS's Frontline, so many people probably never saw it -
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You can still watch the whole thing, at least here in the States by searching "Weinstein, Frontline" in Google.
As for the HBO documentary, it's an overly long, overly provocative thing that is poorly done. It provides no counter point, etc.... That being said, as you watch it, it draws up a lot of uncomfortable emotion, so it works well if you want to "cancel" someone. I've watched 100's of documentaries over the years, and the only other that made me as sick and angry in the moment was another pedophilia one, much better done called Chickenhawk (www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhgOt4PFD6U).
I do believe Jackson was a pedophile, I just wish there was a more scholarly work used to out him.
As for if he'll be totally erased from modern culture? I doubt it. He still has huge foreign support, and the black opinion seems to be 80/20 in support of him. Many view this as just another attempt to disrespect a black icon.
I agree with you on the Weinstein Frontline.
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Maybe the weirdest part of Jackson was the fact that both ex wives said they never had sex with him. Any straight guy on Earth would nail a young Lisa Marie Presley!
I still think that a possibility that is being overlooked is that the parents were in on the pedo ring for money all along. There is no way a sane parent would allow their kids to spend time alone with a weirdo like that.
There are still too many questions. Why are there 2 guys now claiming they were molested after they testified in court and did numerous FBI interviews that nothing sexual happened? Why would someone like Corey Feldman who spent so much time with Jackson claimed nothing happened even though he admits to being molested by others and probably raped by Charlie Sheen? Why would he protect Jackson? Would Jackson skip over him and just molest other kids?
The fact that these two guys have been shopping book deals and trying to get money from the Jackson estate before it all dries up makes them look shady.
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Maybe the weirdest part of Jackson was the fact that both ex wives said they never had sex with him. Any straight guy on Earth would nail a young Lisa Marie Presley!
I still think that a possibility that is being overlooked is that the parents were in on the pedo ring for money all along. There is no way a sane parent would allow their kids to spend time alone with a weirdo like that.
There are still too many questions. Why are there 2 guys now claiming they were molested after they testified in court and did numerous FBI interviews that nothing sexual happened? Why would someone like Corey Feldman who spent so much time with Jackson claimed nothing happened even though he admits to being molested by others and probably raped by Charlie Sheen? Why would he protect Jackson? Would Jackson skip over him and just molest other kids?
The fact that these two guys have been shopping book deals and trying to get money from the Jackson estate before it all dries up makes them look shady.
I would never trust a man with my kids, especially jacko lol. he was a strange guy, but the accusations from these guys are BS.
Especially the main one from the documentary, he realised he failed at life, and it was either this avenue or the suicide pill (unless he was willing to downgrade from the hollyweird lifestyle and work a 9-5).
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It wasn't the families who latched onto Jackson, but Jackson latching onto them if they had a prepubescent son that he liked.
Jackson was the one who pursued “friendships” with the young boys. He spent most his entire adult life forming strange obsessive relationships with young boys which would eventually result with them sleeping over in his bed for months on end. Jackson would continue this behaviour and put himself in this situation even after being accused of molestation.
We don’t even know the full number of potential victims that might exist since it’s possible that Jackson paid off many families before any allegations went public. What we do know is that those who have accused Jackson of abuse all had very strong relations with him. They all knew him well and spent long periods of time alone with him. Their accusations have to be taken seriously regardless of what may or may not have happened.
in the documentary I think one family actively pursued him from australia and the other was the typical child performer family.
a responsible family would have told him to fuck off.
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" Man in the mirror " too ?
Yes, even if he wasn’t a filthy pedo his songs still absolutely suck balls, those stupid nonsense noises he makes are annoying and he deserves choked and punched repeatedly for them. Can’t stand the sound or sight of him
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Yes, even if he wasn’t a filthy pedo his songs still absolutely suck balls, those stupid nonsense noises he makes are annoying and he deserves choked and punched repeatedly for them. Can’t stand the sound or sight of him
I never understood why they called him a musical genius. He didn't write most of his lyrics and none of the music. I am no Prince (another fruity guy) fan but he was world's ahead of Jackson in musical talent. How hard is it to read sheet music?
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I would never trust a man with my kids, especially jacko lol. he was a strange guy, but the accusations from these guys are BS.
Especially the main one from the documentary, he realised he failed at life, and it was either this avenue or the suicide pill (unless he was willing to downgrade from the hollyweird lifestyle and work a 9-5).
It must truly suck to have success in Hollywood as a child and realize as an adult that you will never be big again and your best days are behind you. No parent should ever let their kid into the music industry or Hollywood until they are an adult. Being a child star for most is a fate worse than death.
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is this movie any good?
Is a 4 hours two episodes documentary ...should have been 4 episodes of an hour each ....
On the second episode the kid that turned to a professional dancer , says that when he turned 14 was like already 5'11" tall ...so Michael Jackson was about his height and told him "ok you're man enough to take it in the butt"
they tried and tried but MJ couldn't get it in cause it was way too painful" (that part of the episode reminded me most of the Getbbigers that post 24/7 here )
Btw, The song "there was blood on the dance floor" should have been called " there was blood on the underwear " as it turned out to be .
Ok you can say that the victims in the Bill Cosby case came out later in life him pushing 80 years of age ...
but in this particular case something tells me that if MJ was alive none of this victims would've have agreed to do this Documentary .
"Not everything is true ,not everything is a lie "
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH AMY ..........are you ok ?
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Is the person who said he was raped by Jackson gay now?
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It must truly suck to have success in Hollywood as a child and realize as an adult that you will never be big again and your best days are behind you. No parent should ever let their kid into the music industry or Hollywood until they are an adult. Being a child star for most is a fate worse than death.
I think MJ himself was seriously abused when he was a kid one way or the other .... He was a Gehovan's witness since early age, and was a virgin up until he's late 20's early 30's ! think about it ; no alcohol, drugs, soda or pussy (or dick) already the biggest star in the world having the likes of Princess Dianna and Ronald Reagan inviting you over .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Is a 4 hours two episodes documentary ...should have been 4 episodes of an hour each ....
On the second episode the kid that turned to a professional dancer , says that when he turned 14 was like already 5'11" tall ...so Michael Jackson was about his height and told him "ok you're man enough to take it in the butt"
they tried and tried but MJ couldn't get it in cause it was way too painful" (that part of the episode reminded me most of the Getbbigers that post 24/7 here )
Btw, The song "there was blood on the dance floor" should have been called " there was blood on the underwear " as it turned out to be .
Ok you can say that the victims in the Bill Cosby case came out later in life him pushing 80 years of age ...
but in this particular case something tells me that if MJ was alive none of this victims would've have agreed to do this Documentary .
"Not everything is true ,not everything is a lie "
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH AMY ..........are you ok ?
Gets weirder to me with that.At 14 you know if you are gay/bisexual or not, and if you want it or not.
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Is the person who said he was raped by Jackson gay now?
That was my question too .... but both "raped vivtims" are straight, married with kids and never again were involved gay activities besides MJ
unless they mentioned otherwise at some point (I fell asleep for about 4 mins )
WooSHHHHHHHHHH AMY are you ok ?
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I think MJ himself was seriously abused when he was a kid one way or the other .... He was a Gehovan's witness since early age, and was a virgin up until he's late 20's early 30's ! think about it ; no alcohol, drugs, soda or pussy (or dick) already the biggest star in the world having the likes of Princess Dianna and Ronald Reagan inviting you over .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I know his dad was known as an abusive asshole. Who was the woman who had sex with him in his 20's or 30's? Does anyone claim they were the one? I've never heard of a woman who claimed a sexual relationship with Jackson. Could he even get hard after taking estrogen?
He had no childhood and was pushed to perform his whole childhood. He never had a real life just celebrity just like Justin Bieber. This is why I would never put my kids in that situation at that age.
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That was my question too .... but both "raped vivtims" are straight, married with kids and never again were involved gay activities besides MJ
unless they mentioned otherwise at some point (I fell asleep for about 4 mins )
WooSHHHHHHHHHH AMY are you ok ?
It's Annie not Amy. ;)
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Gets weirder to me with that.At 14 you know if you are gay/bisexual or not, and if you want it or not.
is not that easy remember, You could be immensely confused when your parents, the entire world perceived MJ as God and he has been your "lover/tutor " since age 7 .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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It's Annie not Amy. ;)
LMAO that's right !
WooSHHHHHHHHHH THANKS
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I never understood why they called him a musical genius. He didn't write most of his lyrics and none of the music. I am no Prince (another fruity guy) fan but he was world's ahead of Jackson in musical talent. How hard is it to read sheet music?
I agree mate I’m not clued up on music in slightest but even I can tell Jackson was absolute garbage
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LMAO that's right !
WooSHHHHHHHHHH THANKS
I am actually ashamed that I know that. :-[
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I know his dad was known as an abusive asshole. Who was the woman who had sex with him in his 20's or 30's? Does anyone claim they were the one? I've never heard of a woman who claimed a sexual relationship with Jackson. Could he even get hard after taking estrogen?
He had no childhood and was pushed to perform his whole childhood. He never had a real life just celebrity just like Justin Bieber. This is why I would never put my kids in that situation at that age.
I think mcauley caulkin said that he was asexual, but they also found porn and stuff at his house.
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I think mcauley caulkin said that he was asexual, but they also found porn and stuff at his house.
Wasn't the porn they found BDSM of women? Makes me wonder if Jackson hated women because he was a virgin? I think there were some pics and artwork of nude children as well.
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I never understood why they called him a musical genius. He didn't write most of his lyrics and none of the music. I am no Prince (another fruity guy) fan but he was world's ahead of Jackson in musical talent. How hard is it to read sheet music?
Didn't he write: Billie jean, beat it, bad, the way you make me feel, man in the mirror, dirty diana, smooth criminal, leave me alone?
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Didn't he write: Billie jean, beat it, bad, the way you make me feel, man in the mirror, dirty diana, smooth criminal, leave me alone?
I thought the lyrics but the music?
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Wasn't the porn they found BDSM of women? Makes me wonder if Jackson hated women because he was a virgin? I think there were some pics and artwork of nude children as well.
He had a lot of art books with early teen children in them. Including some that were made by photographers that were outed as members of NAMBLA. Jackson's team said that it was just unknown fan mail that Jackson knew nothing about.
You can't really find the original report as the Sheriffs's department asked for it to removed, but they did confirm that it was real to Vanity Fair.
This site still has some of the report up -
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/ .
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Edit - full report -
https://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/mj-docs-signed.pdf .
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Rogan podcast noted rumors of him being chemically made a castrato at his father's wishes. In that case he would basically be a eunuch and that would screw up any ideas of normal physical relationships.
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Regardless of whether he rammed boy butt or not, fella was full-scale loony tunes.
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And it was always 7-13yr old BOYS, and the second they displayed outward signs of puberty he dropped them like a hot potato.People seriously arguing he was setup, innocent etc have to be the most gullible people on earth.If a 40yr old single guy down the street only hung around 7-13yr old boys, sent them faxes saying he loved them, had a garden full of kids toys, house full of toys, sleepovers with 10yr old boys, allegations of abuse etc etc, youd all know what the deal was.This whole thing with jackos defenders should be exhibit A in a study of media brainwashing over many years.People dont want to face they got duped.
Very well said
You’re exactly Right.
Those who are defending Michael UpurJacksy Need to carefully read & comprehend
What you wrote & ask Themselves some Searching Questions.
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Very well said
You’re exactly Right.
Those who are defending Michael UpurJacksy Need to carefully read & comprehend
What you wrote & ask Themselves some Searching Questions.
Yeah, the fact he dropped them like a stone as they hit puberty proves he only wanted young kids. Also callous the way he befriended them and made them feel special only to drop them and replace them suddenly. Must have really hurt these youngsters being discarded like that, especially just as you hit puberty which is such a hard time already.
I never liked Jackson and his brain washed fans are nearly as mental as him.
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He had a lot of art books with early teen children in them. Including some that were made by photographers that were outed as members of NAMBLA. Jackson's team said that it was just unknown fan mail that Jackson knew nothing about.
You can't really find the original report as the Sheriffs's department asked for it to removed, but they did confirm that it was real to Vanity Fair.
This site still has some of the report up -
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/06/21/items-discovered-police-michael-jackson/ .
Nah Absolutely Nothing Odd About What they Found ::)
Very Clearly He was into Young Kids Especially Young Boys
How can any sane person Refute That.
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I never understood why they called him a musical genius. He didn't write most of his lyrics and none of the music. I am no Prince (another fruity guy) fan but he was world's ahead of Jackson in musical talent. How hard is it to read sheet music?
https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-incredible-way-michael-jackson-wrote-music-16799
The above is an article on why they would call him that.
He also wrote most of his songs.
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This Oprah video talks nothing about the abuse only that abuse is not what "people think" it is. Well, what is the abuse alleged exactly?
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For those of us who came of age during “Michael Mania”, it’s so crazy to think about what’s become of the man and his legacy.
Sad tale.
But that kind of freak has it coming, I suppose.
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Jackson is no longer around to suck up (off?) to, so they will throw his rotting corpse under the short school bus with dark windows without hesitation. Never mind that they worshipped him and overlooked his weirdness because now that he has long assumed room temperature they need to virtue signal their fat asses off to remain relevant.
schmOpra (aka the "Safety Phat Queen") is a real piece of shit too.
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I think he molested some kids. I also think some parents bare some of the responsibility. I think he was a talented artist, was performing since he was a child, wrote some major hit songs, and put on a great performance. But he was demented and for me that wipes out all the other things.
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Being a hardcore metal-head, I always hated MJ and his fruity dancing, and didnt like his music.
Talented guy/gal/tranny (whatever it is) just always hated that shite...
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https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-incredible-way-michael-jackson-wrote-music-16799
The above is an article on why they would call him that.
He also wrote most of his songs.
It even says in the article that he couldn't read or write music and could only play instruments "a bit." That's a musical genius? I can read and write music and play 3 instruments and would never even consider myself a good musician let alone a genius. ::)
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I've watched 100's of documentaries over the years, and the only other that made me as sick and angry in the moment was another pedophilia one, much better done called Chickenhawk (www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhgOt4PFD6U).
Wonder if -given the way it was able to operate freely- NAMBLA was some sort of FBI front.
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There was a good, balanced doc ,touching on this topic,first shown on the BBC in 2009, about the American scientist Carleton Gajdusek,a man who was a unique combination of outstanding medical researcher and intrepid anthropologist.
Carleton won the 1976 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his work on the discovery of the mechanism of the transmission of the lethal brain disease Kuru,among the cannibalitstic Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea. Kuru was the first human prion disease demonstrated to be infectious.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/press-release/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/press-release/)
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/gajdusek/biographical/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/gajdusek/biographical/)
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/gajdusek/speech/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1976/gajdusek/speech/)
The documentary:
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Being a hardcore metal-head, I always hated MJ and his fruity dancing, and didnt like his music.
Talented guy/gal/tranny (whatever it is) just always hated that shite...
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledunnigan/status/1103405202911227915?lang=en
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It even says in the article that he couldn't read or write music and could only play instruments "a bit." That's a musical genius? I can read and write music and play 3 instruments and would never even consider myself a good musician let alone a genius. ::)
Can you orchestrate a hit song in your head, from drums, guitar, strings, then sing each note to a musician to replicate the sound in your head, compose it and make millions? I don't know what qualifies someone as a genius legally, but if other great artists who worked with him acknowledge his musical talent, who am I to argue about it?
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Did MJ's mansion at Neverland have only one bedroom? Legitimate guests usually sleep in a guest room and not in bed with the host. As a parent, there's no way I would have allowed either my son or daughter to visit MJ much less stay overnight.
When he was a kid, his parent's compound in Encino, CA was just a few doors away from my parent's house. My sister who is the 2 months older than MJ was, was friends with him. She's never mentioned 'sleepovers'. My parents wouldn't have allowed that, anyway. I grew up around celebrities. They were/are no big deal.
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Can you orchestrate a hit song in your head, from drums, guitar, strings, then sing each note to a musician to replicate the sound in your head, compose it and make millions? I don't know what qualifies someone as a genius legally, but if other great artists who worked with him acknowledge his musical talent, who am I to argue about it?
They throw "musical genius" around casually for anyone who has hit records. An example of someone today in pop music who is really talented is Lady Gaga. I do not listen to her music but there is no doubt she is very talented as was Prince another pop star I don't listen too. To say someone is a musical genius when they can't even read music would be like saying someone is a mathematical genius even though they can't count.
None of these stars have the musical ability of Mozart or Beethoven anyway.
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They throw "musical genius" around casually for anyone who has hit records. An example of someone today in pop music who is really talented is Lady Gaga. I do not listen to her music but there is no doubt she is very talented as was Prince another pop star I don't listen too. To say someone is a musical genius when they can't even read music would be like saying someone is a mathematical genius even though they can't count.
None of these stars have the musical ability of Mozart or Beethoven anyway.
Agree. Calling someone a musical genius mainly because they are popular really degrades the term genius.
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Agree. Calling someone a musical genius mainly because they are popular really degrades the term genius.
Most pop stars are just studio musicians anyway. Ever see Katy Perry in a live performance? Ha, ha, she absolutely sucks.
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Agree. Calling someone a musical genius mainly because they are popular really degrades the term genius.
IF that were the case here, I would agree
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Let’s just agree He was a Weirdo Musical Talent & A Peadophile
I’m Glad He’s Dead
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Let’s just agree He was a Weirdo Musical Tatlent & A Peadophile
I’m Glad He’s Dead
Agreed
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Let’s just agree He was a Weirdo Musical Talent & A Peadophile
I’m Glad He’s Dead
Yes he was strange, but I am neither glad nor sad that he's dead. People die. Some celebrities fade away and some croak.
I have a big problem with the parents who whored their kids out to a suspected pedophile in exchange for who knows what.
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I have a big problem with the parents who whored their kids out to a suspected pedophile in exchange for who knows what.
This part I also agree with - They have a lot to answer for.
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This part I also agree with - They have a lot to answer for.
The two dads already killed themselves.
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I don't believe Michael molested anyone(but dont know), he was completely asexual. Michael was an early form of what we see all over today, denying ones biology and just being whatever you feel you are, so he decided to be a 12 year old boy.
The summer when a boy turns 12 is a magical one. Just graduated grade school, into girls but not ready for sex. A great summer day when a boy turns 12 is going with his buddies to the skateboard park all day until it gets dark, getting change together for Gatorade and asking your mom to rent the MMA fight for the boys sleepover.
But its just that summer of 12 years old. The rest of your life you want to get laid and get paid. Its biology. Michael chose Peter Pan because he was 12 years old and non sexual. He viewed these boys as peers, not as a creepy old man, ironically making it just as creepy. lt was wrong, he was 52 years old.
But in his mind he wasnt. He wanted to permanently stay in the summer of 12 years old. .
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The two dads already killed themselves.
That in its self is very odd - Also one of the Mothers has been completely isolated from the grandchildren!!
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I don't believe Michael molested anyone(but dont know), he was completely asexual. Michael was an early form of what we see all over today, denying ones biology and just being whatever you feel you are, so he decided to be a 12 year old boy.
The summer when a boy turns 12 is a magical one. Just graduated grade school, into girls but not ready for sex. A great summer day when a boy turns 12 is going with his buddies to the skateboard park all day until it gets dark, getting change together for Gatorade and asking your mom to rent the MMA fight for the boys sleepover.
But its just that summer of 12 years old. The rest of your life you want to get laid and get paid. Its biology. Michael chose Peter Pan because he was 12 years old and non sexual. He viewed these boys as peers, not as a creepy old man, ironically making it just as creepy. lt was wrong, he was 52 years old.
But in his mind he wasnt. He wanted to permanently stay in the summer of 12 years old. .
I completely disagree with your opinion ( though accept you’re entitled to it)
The never grew up Bollocks was just a cover - he may very well of been immature
He knew perfectly well what his intentions were & what he did.
His “Fame” & $ bought off a lot of people & gave him some protection.
The Term “Hidden in Plain Sight” comes to mind for Michael UpurJacksy.
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I don't believe Michael molested anyone(but dont know), he was completely asexual. Michael was an early form of what we see all over today, denying ones biology and just being whatever you feel you are, so he decided to be a 12 year old boy.
The summer when a boy turns 12 is a magical one. Just graduated grade school, into girls but not ready for sex. A great summer day when a boy turns 12 is going with his buddies to the skateboard park all day until it gets dark, getting change together for Gatorade and asking your mom to rent the MMA fight for the boys sleepover.
But its just that summer of 12 years old. The rest of your life you want to get laid and get paid. Its biology. Michael chose Peter Pan because he was 12 years old and non sexual. He viewed these boys as peers, not as a creepy old man, ironically making it just as creepy. lt was wrong, he was 52 years old.
But in his mind he wasnt. He wanted to permanently stay in the summer of 12 years old. .
FYI, there is something wrong with a person's mind when they desire to remain a mental and asexual 12 year old all their lives. I both had and went to sleepovers with friends when I was that age and they were too. Since we guys would usually camp out in the backyard of each other's houses, the dad would check on us....not get in bed with us.
I can positively assure you that if some grown man invited me to a sleepover with him when I was a kid, both my parents would report his ass and not send me off to get in bed with a freak....celebrity or not.
It's nice that you are sympathetic to MJ and his mental disorders. But, please don't excuse him or the parents who supplied their kids for his 52 going on 12 year-old bedtime sleep overs. It's magic alright....sick, scary magic. ::)
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YEP, I BELIEVE THIS DUDE AFTER THE FACT. ::)
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YEP, I BELIEVE THIS DUDE AFTER THE FACT. ::)
Why do these revelations always end up involving a lawsuit? Money won't fix what was broken by a sexual predator and abuser. IMO it delegitimizes their accusations or at least calls their true motives into question.
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FYI, there is something wrong with a person's mind when they desire to remain a mental and asexual 12 year old all their lives. I both had and went to sleepovers with friends when I was that age and they were too. Since we guys would usually camp out in the backyard of each other's houses, the dad would check on us....not get in bed with us.
I can positively assure you that if some grown man invited me to a sleepover with him when I was a kid, both my parents would report his ass and not send me off to get in bed with a freak....celebrity or not.
It's nice that you are sympathetic to MJ and his mental disorders. But, please don't excuse him or the parents who supplied their kids for his 52 going on 12 year-old bedtime sleep overs. It's magic alright....sick, scary magic. ::)
There's something with a person's mind when they desire to be referred to as the opposite sex. They do this in pure defiance of Nature which is plainly backed up with them having the wrong genitalia. Pedophiles are disgusting but cucktards will one day embrace them as being acceptably normal simply because not only do they lack the backbone, the testicular fortitude to say "Wrong is wrong" but they (cucktards) want to do what they want to do without being told they are sick, stupid, disgusting and anathema to Nature itself.
Just because something appears in Nature does not make it acceptable to Creation. But you know all of this and yet still you and others of your ilk clamor for "fairness" and what John termed, "Justus".
Typist.
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FYI, there is something wrong with a person's mind when they desire to remain a mental and asexual 12 year old all their lives. I both had and went to sleepovers with friends when I was that age and they were too. Since we guys would usually camp out in the backyard of each other's houses, the dad would check on us....not get in bed with us.
I can positively assure you that if some grown man invited me to a sleepover with him when I was a kid, both my parents would report his ass and not send me off to get in bed with a freak....celebrity or not.
It's nice that you are sympathetic to MJ and his mental disorders. But, please don't excuse him or the parents who supplied their kids for his 52 going on 12 year-old bedtime sleep overs. It's magic alright....sick, scary magic. ::)
At least keep in mind the kid in the documentary, Wade Dobbs and his whole family UNDER OATH to the police and even on the stand in the 90s trial SWORE under penalty of perjury and jail time NOTHING HAPPENED. Burden of proof is quite a bit less for an HBO documentary.
When this recent shit started, it was a civil suit demanding money in 2017, where he got scumbag Hollywood attorney Henry Gradstein to try and extort a Jackson estate settlement, which was REFUSED by the estate so they got a judge who TOSSED the whole fucking case.
Michael was ASEXUAL, go watch him kiss his fake wife Lisa Marie, thats a 12 year old virgin boy kissing a woman. Oprah called him out in the 93 interview.."Michael are you a virgin?" No answer because it was painfully obvious. Include Michael in any incel threads.
Problem was letting a man live as a child when he's not. Biology exists for a reaaon.
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Michael Jackson's lawyer blames #MeToo for new accusations | 60 Minutes Australia.
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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They throw "musical genius" around casually for anyone who has hit records. An example of someone today in pop music who is really talented is Lady Gaga. I do not listen to her music but there is no doubt she is very talented as was Prince another pop star I don't listen too. To say someone is a musical genius when they can't even read music would be like saying someone is a mathematical genius even though they can't count.
None of these stars have the musical ability of Mozart or Beethoven anyway.
While is true that the word "genius" is thrown around way too much
Michael Jackson was a Genius on his own right , So many talents put together since he was a kid , the biggest entertainer there ever was .... then the vision to go write songs that practically crushed every thing that had extraordinary reaction world wide in history before him ....
Besides, you can't never compare numbers and arts when it comes to "genius" it just doesn't work that way ...
To think That Quincy jones didn't want MJ to record "Billie jeans " and look what happened with music after its release "vision" .... The music he created from 70's and 80's will be hard to top..... not to mention every major artist is a copy cat one way or the other of what he brought to the stage .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Annie are you ok ?
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Problem was letting a man live as a child when he's not. Biology exists for a reaaon.
Try telling that to the "It's MA'AM!" man. And that's just the current tip of the iceberg of stupid.
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While is true that the word "genius" is thrown around way too much
Michael Jackson was a Genius on his own right , So many talents put together since he was a kid , the biggest entertainer there ever was .... then the vision to go write songs that practically crushed every thing that had extraordinary reaction world wide in history before him ....
Besides, you can't never compare numbers and arts when it comes to "genius" it just doesn't work that way ...
To think That Quincy jones didn't want MJ to record "Billie jeans " and look what happened with music after its release "vision" .... The music he created from 70's and 80's will be hard to top..... not to mention every major artist is a copy cat one way or the other of what he brought to the stage .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Annie are you ok ?
What talents beside dancing and singing? He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap. The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist. The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.
Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented. He was the best player of every instrument in his band. He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc. He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band. He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano. He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday. The comparison of the 2 is not even close.
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Speaking of Michael Jackson.....his daughter is not taking that documentary well>
https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/16/paris-jackson-hospitalized-attempted-suicide-leaving-neverland-michael/
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What talents beside dancing and singing? He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap. The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist. The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.
Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented. He was the best player of every instrument in his band. He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc. He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band. He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano. He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday. The comparison of the 2 is not even close.
Why do people discount performance skill so much when it comes to musical talent? Or even production skill? Why is it that so many people say that musical ability only comes down to technical proficiency on instruments? This isn't really limited to MJ here, because I see this all the time and it doesn't seem to cross over into other artistic fields. You can have someone who most people will acknowledge as a great director and no one will say "He's a hack because he doesn't write his own films." Or that a writer sucks because they don't write everything longhand,they use a laptop. Or that a painter sucks because they don't also know how to sculpt. But you constantly hear that someone who focuses on performance doesn't really have musical talent.
Look, the guy was clearly a pedo...
but, from an objective point standpoint- imagine his career belonged to someone else- he achieved everything a musical genius would be expected to. He redefined genres, he changed the course of popular music, he created multiple hits that stood the test of time, he was a major influence on several generations that followed him, etc.
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Why do people discount performance skill so much when it comes to musical talent? Or even production skill? Why is it that so many people say that musical ability only comes down to technical proficiency on instruments? This isn't really limited to MJ here, because I see this all the time and it doesn't seem to cross over into other artistic fields. You can have someone who most people will acknowledge as a great director and no one will say "He's a hack because he doesn't write his own films." Or that a writer sucks because they don't write everything longhand,they use a laptop. Or that a painter sucks because they don't also know how to sculpt. But you constantly hear that someone who focuses on performance doesn't really have musical talent.
Look, the guy was clearly a pedo...
but, from an objective point standpoint- imagine his career belonged to someone else- he achieved everything a musical genius would be expected to. He redefined genres, he changed the course of popular music, he created multiple hits that stood the test of time, he was a major influence on several generations that followed him, etc.
Because he was being called a musical genius and he couldn't even read music! Again, would you say someone is a math genius who couldn't count?
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Because he was being called a musical genius and he couldn't even read music! Again, would you say someone is a math genius who couldn't count?
You don't have to read music to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to be influential in music.
You do have to count to be able to do math.
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You don't have to read music to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to create music. You don't have to play an instrument to be influential in music.
You do have to count to be able to do math.
You don't have to count to do math? WTF??? A person can make a tune with their voice and have an idea about what they want the music to sound like but someone actually has to put it to music and to instrumentation. Again, we're talking genius, not someone who can sing.
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You don't have to count to do math? WTF??? A person can make a tune with their voice and have an idea about what they want the music to sound like but someone actually has to put it to music and to instrumentation. Again, we're talking genius, not someone who can sing.
I said "You DO have to count to do math."
Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill. Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.
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I said "You DO have to count to do math."
Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill. Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.
And you must do them ALL to be a musical genius.
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And you must do them ALL to be a musical genius.
You have to do all of them?
So, if you can play multiple instruments but you don't have a good singing voice, you can't be a musical genius?
What if you can play multiple instruments, but don't write lyrics to your music? Can you still be a musical genius?
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I said "You DO have to count to do math."
Singing is a musical skill. Writing lyrics is a musical skill. Conceiving and conceptualizing ideas is a talent.
In modern pop, you dont write songs, you create a "hook". Why the hooks can be sampled and become rap songs. The hook just repeats. Michael would listen to various hooks of other artists, change them a little and call them his own. Great talent still, but far from genius. Openly said he used Hall and Oates I cant go for that for Billie Jean(listen to the opening).He would come to Quincy Jones with a baseline he got from "somewhere". Quincy was a great producer and would build a song around it. Why his music showed a HUGE difference after he left Quincy.
Quincy has admitted it
Abc news
NEW YORK - Quincy Jones, the legendary music producer behind Michael Jackson, says that the late King of Pop plagiarized some of his hits.
"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.
"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.
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You have to do all of them?
So, if you can play multiple instruments but you don't have a good singing voice, you can't be a musical genius?
What if you can play multiple instruments, but don't write lyrics to your music? Can you still be a musical genius?
Singing is not required for some types of music (classical music for example), so no. There is no way you can compare MJ to Beethoven or Mozart or even other pop stars like Prince. What % of pop stars or rap, hip hop, metal, country stars do you think are geniuses? If Prince and Lady Gaga can do ALL of those things (sing, dance, play multiple instruments, write music, write lyrics) and MJ can't does that make them Mega geniuses? MJ was an entertainer that was pushed by the record companies to be huge but he was not a genius at anything.
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In modern pop, you dont write songs, you create a "hook". Why the hooks can be sampled and become rap songs. The hook just repeats. Michael would listen to various hooks of other artists, change them a little and call them his own. Great talent still, but far from genius. Openly said he used Hall and Oates I cant go for that for Billie Jean(listen to the opening).He would come to Quincy Jones with a baseline he got from "somewhere". Quincy was a great producer and would build a song around it. Why his music showed a HUGE difference after he left Quincy.
Quincy has admitted it
Abc news
NEW YORK - Quincy Jones, the legendary music producer behind Michael Jackson, says that the late King of Pop plagiarized some of his hits.
"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.
"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.
Quincy Jones was much closer to musical genius than was Michael. He created tons of music and stars.
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At least keep in mind the kid in the documentary, Wade Dobbs and his whole family UNDER OATH to the police and even on the stand in the 90s trial SWORE under penalty of perjury and jail time NOTHING HAPPENED. Burden of proof is quite a bit less for an HBO documentary.
When this recent shit started, it was a civil suit demanding money in 2017, where he got scumbag Hollywood attorney Henry Gradstein to try and extort a Jackson estate settlement, which was REFUSED by the estate so they got a judge who TOSSED the whole fucking case.
Michael was ASEXUAL, go watch him kiss his fake wife Lisa Marie, thats a 12 year old virgin boy kissing a woman. Oprah called him out in the 93 interview.."Michael are you a virgin?" No answer because it was painfully obvious. Include Michael in any incel threads.
Problem was letting a man live as a child when he's not. Biology exists for a reaaon.
I have kept this in mind. Apparently you missed my earlier post.
Why do these revelations always end up involving a lawsuit? Money won't fix what was broken by a sexual predator and abuser. IMO it delegitimizes their accusations or at least calls their true motives into question.
It appears as if you are defending the accusations of pedophilia against MJ by claiming he was an asexual and had the 'Peter Pan Syndrome'. Some asexual people have sex. And they masturbate. And they look at porn. And they do pretty much everything, because there are as many ways to be asexual as there are to be sexual. In the words of an asexual woman, “I need to be really emotionally connected to someone to feel sexually attracted to them or want to have sex.”
It's wrong to accuse someone of being a pedophile unless you have proof. It is also wrong to excuse their suspicious behavior, as you have done, because that sends a very dangerous message to adults as well as children. If you are going to err, do so on the side of caution. Read this before you try to make Peter Pan and MJ out to be a saints. How the fantasy of Peter Pan turned sinister
By Constance Grady@constancegrady Jul 27, 2017 https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/27/16021572/peter-pan-became-evil-jm-barrie-llewelyn-davies
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Singing is not required for some types of music (classical music for example), so no.
That was the point. There are no hard and fast rules for being a musical genius, but you're pretending that there are. It's not based on the number of instruments you play. You can play every instrument under the sun and just be okay at them. A talent for sure, but ultimately artistic genius is popularly defined by the impact your work has on your audience and on your field. Michael Jackson changed pop music in a way that Lady Gaga hasn't. A lot of that has to do with timing, just as a lot of the differences between Beethoven's career and MJ's career had to do with timing, but that's true of almost anyone who makes a major impact on any artistic field.
"I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. He stole a lot of songs," Jones said in an interview full of eyebrow-raising comments published Tuesday by Vulture, the culture site of New York magazine.
"The notes don't lie, man. He was as Machiavellian as they come," the 84-year-old music veteran said.
According to Picasso, this is just proof that he's a great artist.
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[As you acknowledge there are some types of music that don't require lyrics. Likeswise, there are types that don't require instrumentation. There are multi-instrumentalists who are just average and there are guys who play one instrument and have terrible singing voices who are considered musical geniuses.
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[As you acknowledge there are some types of music that don't require lyrics. Likeswise, there are types that don't require instrumentation. There are multi-instrumentalists who are just average and there are guys who play one instrument and have terrible singing voices who are considered musical geniuses.
Who?
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I have kept this in mind. Apparently you missed my earlier post.
It appears as if you are defending the accusations of pedophilia against MJ by claiming he was an asexual and had the 'Peter Pan Syndrome'. Some asexual people have sex. And they masturbate. And they look at porn. And they do pretty much everything, because there are as many ways to be asexual as there are to be sexual. In the words of an asexual woman, “I need to be really emotionally connected to someone to feel sexually attracted to them or want to have sex.”
It's wrong to accuse someone of being a pedophile unless you have proof. It is also wrong to excuse their suspicious behavior, as you have done, because that sends a very dangerous message to adults as well as children. If you are going to err, do so on the side of caution. Read this before you try to make Peter Pan and MJ out to be a saints. How the fantasy of Peter Pan turned sinister
By Constance Grady@constancegrady Jul 27, 2017 https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/27/16021572/peter-pan-became-evil-jm-barrie-llewelyn-davies
Yes, and the way you do this is have someone stand up, raise their right hand and SWEAR to tell the truth, which he DID and said NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. This is when it counts and you can be charged with perjury for lying. I excuse none ofv the people that allowed Michael to live the farce he did. But I dont believe in "Hes so fucking weird, even with NO evidence and the kid in question as an ADULT says under oath NOTHING ever fucking happened, but hey, fuck that weird freak, shouldn't have been hanging out with kids anyway, lets just call him guilty" Guy had his day in court and said nothing, has his day in front of an hbo documentary years later after accused is dead and story changes.
Juat leave it at weird, creepy dude that hung out with kids and NO evidence of molestation. Cause thats what it is.
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Yes, and the way you do this is have someone stand up, raise their right hand and SWEAR to tell the truth, which he DID and said NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. This is when it counts and you can be charged with perjury for lying. I excuse none ofv the people that allowed Michael to live the farce he did. But I dont believe in "Hes so fucking weird, even with NO evidence and the kid in question as an ADULT says under oath NOTHING ever fucking happened, but hey, fuck that weird freak, shouldn't have been hanging out with kids anyway, lets just call him guilty" Guy had his day in court and said nothing, has his day in front of an hbo documentary years later after accused is dead and story changes.
Juat leave it at weird, creepy dude that hung out with kids and NO evidence of molestation. Cause thats what it is.
Yeah, I hate it when these people come forward accusing dead people of horrendous crimes. Remember Mackenzie Phillips saying her dad raped her and they had a incest relationship for years?
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Liberal media is a master of "where theres smoke theres fire stories. Nobody wants to go under oath, no fucking evidence, so lets start the smear. Same shit with trump Russia....
"Come on...has business ties to Russia for years, shady Russians with unexplained millions with exclusive suites in trump Tower, his son is in meetings with Russians, come on...there HAD to be collusion by Trump"
FUCK THAT....We want EVIDENCE
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Liberal media is a master of "whwre theres smoke theres fire stories. Nobody wants to go under oath, no fucking evidence, so lets start the smear. Same shitbwith trump Russia....
"Come on...has business ties to Russia for years, shady Russians with unexplained millions with exclusive suites in trump Tower, his son is in meetings with Russians, come on...there HAD to be collusion by Trump"
FUCK THAT....We want EVIDENCE
All clickbait to sell their papers, online articles and t.v. ratings.
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Can we all agree Brian Wilson was a musical genius?
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What talents beside dancing and singing? He had so so popularity with the Jackson 5 in the 70's and he was the biggest selling recording artist in the 80's because of his dancing more than anything but musical genius is a huge leap. The record companies (like you mentioned Quincy Jones) really decide who they are going to push for fame and it has more to do with them than the actual artist. The last 20 years of his life he was just some weird recluse living in Neverland.
Again, Prince who gets compared a lot with MJ probably because they were both skinny black guys who played similar music was way more talented. He was the best player of every instrument in his band. He was a better drummer than his drummer, better guitar player than his guitar player, etc. He wrote all of his lyrics plus wrote all of the music for every part in his band. He played numerous instruments and was an excellent piano player which his later concerts were just him and the piano. He wrote thousands of songs most of which have never been seen by anyone but will probably all be released someday. The comparison of the 2 is not even close.
Lol Being able to play an instrument two or three doesn't make you a genius, trust me ...... don't call him a genius if you don't want to ..... when someone listen to a song written by MJ anywhere in the planet at any age , something special is felt ....... they couldn't care less who plays the drum, guitar or the tambourine .... MJ is the biggest entertainer there ever was . you just couldn't step on stage after he was done ... nobody
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH stay vintage and have a great weekend
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What's sick is the family trying to defend him.
They know the truth, but they just want to keep getting the money.
That is just about as evil as it gets.
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New Yorker Feb 2015
HALL & OATES TALK ABOUT THE SONG MICHAEL JACKSON SAYS HE ‘STOLE’ FROM THEM
Daryl Hall...." Michael said...Hey man, I hope you don't mind if I stole 'No Can Do.'" And I went, "What do you mean you stole 'No Can Do'?" He said, "Nah, man, I used it for 'Bille Jean.'" Come on man, he even used the private eyes guys in hats for the video!
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FYI, there is something wrong with a person's mind when they desire to remain a mental and asexual 12 year old all their lives. I both had and went to sleepovers with friends when I was that age and they were too. Since we guys would usually camp out in the backyard of each other's houses, the dad would check on us....not get in bed with us.
I can positively assure you that if some grown man invited me to a sleepover with him when I was a kid, both my parents would report his ass and not send me off to get in bed with a freak....celebrity or not.
It's nice that you are sympathetic to MJ and his mental disorders. But, please don't excuse him or the parents who supplied their kids for his 52 going on 12 year-old bedtime sleep overs. It's magic alright....sick, scary magic. ::)
No different than a 12/13 year old boy that THINKS he's a girl going to a sleepover with his 12/13 year old girlfriend's who want to camp out and talk about getting their period, growing breasts and boys now wanting to fuck them. ALL of which a tranny boy in a dress cannot relate to, but PC law says he MUST be invited. Like the law of fame and money says Michael is 12 and goes to the backyard boys sleepover.
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Mj is the only 35 year old man in history that has openly admitted to sleeping in bed with 10 year old boys, and people will defend him for it! lol
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Mj is the only 35 year old man in history that has openly admitted to sleeping in bed with 10 year old boys, and people will defend him for it! lol
Why wouldn't you sleep in a bed with a ten year old boy? What thoughts and feelings would come up in you?
He "openly admitted" because he had no shame, as long as he thought and did nothing sexual he thought it was ok. It wasn't, it was sick but for for reasons that had nothing to do with sex.
Its like the Bashir perv that interviewed Michael and said "Michael, I would NEVER let a 12 year old boy sleep in my bed". Michael didn't get it and asked why?
Could see the truth on the pervs face because the true answer was, "Michael I'd get a WICKED hard on"
The ones who scream PERV the loudest are usually the pervs.
You dont sleep in the bed with a 10 year old boy because its developmentally inappropriate. Is there some other reason?
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America's most loved pervert and rapist for 30 years.
Only one question: If he was guilty, why 134 witness testimonies and months in court didn't find any reason to convict him?
Is he greatest criminal genius of the mankind, or innocent fool? You cannot find a reason to convict black paedophile by 134 witness testimonies, but you suddenly find the truth from the silly movie, telling about moron who was defending M.J all the way up till now? ;D
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Only one question: If he was guilty, why 134 witness testimonies and months in court didn't find any reason to convict him?
Is he greatest criminal genius of the mankind, or innocent fool? You cannot find a reason to convict black paedophile by 134 witness testimonies, but you suddenly find the truth from the silly movie, telling about moron who was defending M.J all the way up till now? ;D
Or wealthy enough to settle out of court?
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He was guilty before. Please. If some plumber down the street from you constructed a Wonderland in his back yard to entice the neighborhood kids and said he liked 'sleeping beside them' you'd shoot the dude in the head.
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He was guilty before. Please. If some plumber down the street from you constructed a Wonderland in his back yard to entice the neighborhood kids and said he liked 'sleeping beside them' you'd shoot the dude in the head.
No Not some of the posters on here !!
They’d be dropping their kids off without a care or 2nd thought.
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He was guilty before. Please. If some plumber down the street from you constructed a Wonderland in his back yard to entice the neighborhood kids and said he liked 'sleeping beside them' you'd shoot the dude in the head.
Agreed, that's why I think the parents were selling their kids for profit. This would explain the 2 fathers offing themselves later over guilt. They had to know or at least suspect something wasn't right but they made millions in settlement money. Hollywood is full of pedos and has a huge pedo ring according to many sources. MJ may have just thought he was untouchable (no pun intended) or was so whack he didn't even think anyone would know or suspect anything or maybe he was so fucked up he didn't think anything was wrong himself.
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Only one question: If he was guilty, why 134 witness testimonies and months in court didn't find any reason to convict him?
Is he greatest criminal genius of the mankind, or innocent fool? You cannot find a reason to convict black paedophile by 134 witness testimonies, but you suddenly find the truth from the silly movie, telling about moron who was defending M.J all the way up till now? ;D
How did OJ Simpson get a Not Guilty at His Trial. ?
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He was guilty before. Please. If some plumber down the street from you constructed a Wonderland in his back yard to entice the neighborhood kids and said he liked 'sleeping beside them' you'd shoot the dude in the head.
WTF, I was gonna say almost the exact same to to Nottomorrows dumb ass, but you beat me to it! Good work my friend lol
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Yes, and the way you do this is have someone stand up, raise their right hand and SWEAR to tell the truth, which he DID and said NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. This is when it counts and you can be charged with perjury for lying. I excuse none ofv the people that allowed Michael to live the farce he did. But I dont believe in "Hes so fucking weird, even with NO evidence and the kid in question as an ADULT says under oath NOTHING ever fucking happened, but hey, fuck that weird freak, shouldn't have been hanging out with kids anyway, lets just call him guilty" Guy had his day in court and said nothing, has his day in front of an hbo documentary years later after accused is dead and story changes.
Juat leave it at weird, creepy dude that hung out with kids and NO evidence of molestation. Cause thats what it is.
You've said nothing here would change your idea that the 'Peter Pan syndrome' or that MJ was asexual would be a viable defense should a accusation of pedophilia against MJ were ligated.
Neither you nor I know what MJ was up to with these boys. Therefore, weighing in on this matter is an exercise in futility. No matter what you believe, most people would agree that bringing children who are not your own into your bed is both weird and definitely worthy of suspicion.
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Yeah, I hate it when these people come forward accusing dead people of horrendous crimes. Remember Mackenzie Phillips saying her dad raped her and they had a incest relationship for years?
I agree; what's the point of slandering people who have passed?
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Liberal media is a master of "where theres smoke theres fire stories. Nobody wants to go under oath, no fucking evidence, so lets start the smear. Same shit with trump Russia....
"Come on...has business ties to Russia for years, shady Russians with unexplained millions with exclusive suites in trump Tower, his son is in meetings with Russians, come on...there HAD to be collusion by Trump"
FUCK THAT....We want EVIDENCE
And....we may end up getting what "we want" or not getting anything at all.
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No different than a 12/13 year old boy that THINKS he's a girl going to a sleepover with his 12/13 year old girlfriend's who want to camp out and talk about getting their period, growing breasts and boys now wanting to fuck them. ALL of which a tranny boy in a dress cannot relate to, but PC law says he MUST be invited. Like the law of fame and money says Michael is 12 and goes to the backyard boys sleepover.
What is PC law? No one is legally or morally bound to include transsexuals in private sleepovers. Your closing sentence makes no sense.
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Mj is the only 35 year old man in history that has openly admitted to sleeping in bed with 10 year old boys, and people will defend him for it! lol
Thank you. Hell would freeze over before I'd defend anyone who did this. The only exceptions are if the adult were the boys' parent. Like when kids have nightmares and go to their parent's room for comfort and the assurance that all is well or the family has but one bed.
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Why wouldn't you sleep in a bed with a ten year old boy? What thoughts and feelings would come up in you?
He "openly admitted" because he had no shame, as long as he thought and did nothing sexual he thought it was ok. It wasn't, it was sick but for for reasons that had nothing to do with sex.
Its like the Bashir perv that interviewed Michael and said "Michael, I would NEVER let a 12 year old boy sleep in my bed". Michael didn't get it and asked why?
Could see the truth on the pervs face because the true answer was, "Michael I'd get a WICKED hard on"
The ones who scream PERV the loudest are usually the pervs.
You dont sleep in the bed with a 10 year old boy because its developmentally inappropriate. Is there some other reason?
With each of your posts, you example how totally out of touch with reality you are. In our society, what MJ did is not normal, regardless if there was sexual intent or not. In answer to your question; I wouldn't because there is no reason for it. You innuendos as accusations are absurd. Suggesting people who accuse others of being perverted must be guilty of perversions themselves is complete nonsense.
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Why wouldn't you sleep in a bed with a ten year old boy? What thoughts and feelings would come up in you?
He "openly admitted" because he had no shame, as long as he thought and did nothing sexual he thought it was ok. It wasn't, it was sick but for for reasons that had nothing to do with sex.
Its like the Bashir perv that interviewed Michael and said "Michael, I would NEVER let a 12 year old boy sleep in my bed". Michael didn't get it and asked why?
Could see the truth on the pervs face because the true answer was, "Michael I'd get a WICKED hard on"
The ones who scream PERV the loudest are usually the pervs.
You dont sleep in the bed with a 10 year old boy because its developmentally inappropriate. Is there some other reason?
You are a weird individual
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You've said nothing here would change your idea that the 'Peter Pan syndrome' or that MJ was asexual would be a viable defense should a accusation of pedophilia against MJ were ligated.
Neither you nor I know what MJ was up to with these boys. Therefore, weighing in on this matter is an exercise in futility. No matter what you believe, most people would agree that bringing children who are not your own into your bed is both weird and definitely worthy of suspicion.
He wasnt charged with pedophilia. He was charged with molestation. The first is debatable, I think no you think yes. The second is molesting a child, which needs to be PROVEN in court. And NO ONE can do that. And this "paying everyone off or lure of celebrity" got him off is bullshit. His trial was in Santa Barabara, 1% black, all white, and one of the few Republican areas of southern California. Home to Ariana Huffington. This Jury of his peers HAD to have people like you that said, "What a sick freak, whys he having sleepovers with boys?" Wealthy Santa Barbara with a D.A. DESPERATE to get a conviction. But NO EVIDENCE. On ANY fucking count.
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You are a weird individual
I speak the truth. You shouodn't have a boy sleep in your bed because its developmentally inappropriate. Ths weird fuckers are the ones PANICKING about it, like its bringing up some weird urges. Like an alcoholic sayjng "Dude I can NEVER to a bar, I'll end up drinking.. Would trigger nothing in me. Wouldn't do it because its developmentally wrong. You guys have some other type of motives that really are creepy.
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I speak the truth. You shouldn't have a boy sleep in your bed because its developmentally inappropriate. Ths weird fuckers are the ones PANICKING about it, like its bringing up some weird urges. Like an alcoholic sayjng "Dude I can NEVER to a bar, I'll end up drinking.. Would trigger nothing in me. Wouldn't do it because its developmentally wrong. You guys have some other type of motives that really are creepy.
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Lol people who say something is wrong is because they have something wrong with them.
There is appropriate and inappropriate. There are social norms, many of which probably didn't apply to Jackson because of who he was.
Jackson, according to many, may have been childlike, but the problem with that is he was actually Michael Jackson, cultural icon and for the majority of his life, and all of his adulthood, one of the most famous people on the planet.
Michael probably experienced much of the weird perversions Justin Beber has, and acting like a child was how he coped with it. He either regressed or stopped developing wherever his trauma occurred.
Despite whatever did or didn't happen, Jackson was able to play the innocent childlike victim well into his 50s despite having his own children and multiple cosmetic surgery's (which he also denied ever having).
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Lol people who say something is wrong is because they have something wrong with them.
There is appropriate and inappropriate. There are social norms, many of which probably didn't apply to Jackson because of who he was.
Jackson, according to many, may have been childlike, but the problem with that is he was actually Michael Jackson, cultural icon and for the majority of his life, and all of his adulthood, one of the most famous people on the planet.
Michael probably experienced much of the weird perversions Justin Beber has, and acting like a child was how he coped with it. He either regressed or stopped developing wherever his trauma occurred.
Despite whatever did or didn't happen, Jackson was able to play the innocent childlike victim well into his 50s despite having his own children and multiple cosmetic surgery's (which he also denied ever having).
What Michael did and how he lived was WRONG. Morally wrong. He was a sick fuck, he was a bad influence on children as he did not represent an appropriate adult male role model for ANY child. The parents who allowed these interactions were sick fucks too. I just don't think he should be convicted of molesting if ALL the independent evidence says this did NOT occur. Thats all Im saying. I think he was an asexual who wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. Sick fuck. But not a criminal. My last post on this one as any thread about any inappropriate behavior with kids is one Im done with now. Said what I had to say.
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What Michael did and how he lived was WRONG. Morally wrong. He was a sick fuck, he was a bad influence on children as he did not represent an appropriate adult male role model for ANY child. The parents who allowed these interactions were sick fucks too. I just don't think he should be convicted of molesting if ALL the independent evidence says this did NOT occur. Thats all Im saying. I think he was an asexual who wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. Sick fuck. But not a criminal. My last post on this one as any thread about any inappropriate behavior with kids is one Im done with now. Said what I had to say.
I gotcha and understand.
Good points I only read the post I quoted, my mistake.
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What Michael did and how he lived was WRONG. Morally wrong. He was a sick fuck, he was a bad influence on children as he did not represent an appropriate adult male role model for ANY child. The parents who allowed these interactions were sick fucks too. I just don't think he should be convicted of molesting if ALL the independent evidence says this did NOT occur. Thats all Im saying. I think he was an asexual who wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. Sick fuck. But not a criminal. My last post on this one as any thread about any inappropriate behavior with kids is one Im done with now. Said what I had to say.
Was Jackson's behaviour around the boys similar to that of a 12 year old though? He treated the boys more like lovers - holding hands, cuddling, kissing, sharing beds...etc
Were you doing these things with your male friends when you were 12?
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Was Jackson's behaviour around the boys similar to that of a 12 year old though? He treated the boys more like lovers - holding hands, cuddling, kissing, sharing beds...etc
Were you doing these things with your male friends when you were 12?
No Doubt he Was & IS - As He see's nothing unusual & try's justifying Whako's Behaviour. Pervert.
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Was Jackson's behaviour around the boys similar to that of a 12 year old though? He treated the boys more like lovers - holding hands, cuddling, kissing, sharing beds...etc
Were you doing these things with your male friends when you were 12?
If you read Noto's posts he isnt defending MJ behavior, hes defending MJ charged as a pedophile.
I think he made his point that Jackson was morally deranged. And that he stood trial, in a community that was white and would not be swayed by his celebrity, and was found innocent.
I think one of the points was that these parents should also be held accountable for allowing their children to be left alone with Jackson.
The fact that after his initial trial people were still letting their sons spend time with the dude is strange and sad.
I haven't watched all of the HBO doc*, and I know the relationships in it took place before allegations were made public. And from what I have watched Jackson acted like a predator, setting the parents and kids up. But Jackson also acted like a complete moron who was socially unaware hanging out at the family's house and walking the streets at night (with the Simi valley dude).
Jackson was an odd ball. The fact that he "played" the character of a 12 boy who never grew up (or that is who really was, which is debatable just based on his music alone) was classic pedophile behavior but that doesn't make him a pedophile.
*its important to remember that documentary's are designed to have the viewer believe their message. My personal thought is that Jackson was a pedophile, but I do understand those who dont believe this as the can refer to the "facts" from the court cases.
People are in an uproar over this even though it was already brought to light years ago.
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If you read Noto's posts he isnt defending MJ behavior, hes defending MJ charged as a pedophile.
I think he made his point that Jackson was morally deranged. And that he stood trial, in a community that was white and would not be swayed by his celebrity, and was found innocent.
I think one of the points was that these parents should also be held accountable for allowing their children to be left alone with Jackson.
The fact that after his initial trial people were still letting their sons spend time with the dude is strange and sad.
I haven't watched all of the HBO doc*, and I know the relationships in it took place before allegations were made public. And from what I have watched Jackson acted like a predator, setting the parents and kids up. But Jackson also acted like a complete moron who was socially unaware hanging out at the family's house and walking the streets at night (with the Simi valley dude).
Jackson was an odd ball. The fact that he "played" the character of a 12 boy who never grew up (or that is who really was, which is debatable just based on his music alone) was classic pedophile behavior but that doesn't make him a pedophile.
*its important to remember that documentary's are designed to have the viewer believe their message. My personal thought is that Jackson was a pedophile, but I do understand those who dont believe this as the can refer to the "facts" from the court cases.
People are in an uproar over this even though it was already brought to light years ago.
He says that MJ was wrong but also that he thinks MJ was an asexual who just wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. However, my point is more that Jackson didn't behave like a 12 year old boy. Boys that age don't behave like he did with their friends.
Jackson paid off the family in the first case before any verdict was reached and while he wasn't found guilty in the second case, some members of the jury later said that they were sure he was a pederast but that there just wasn't enough hard evidence to justify a conviction.
I think everyone agrees that the parents have to take much of the blame. I tend to believe that they were groomed themselves; starstruck by Jackson's fame, wealth and the gifts he would shower them with.
There is a possibility imo that Jackson was innocent and the relationships he had with the boys was strictly platonic but when everything is taken into consideration, I just find this highly unlikely.
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He says that MJ was wrong but also that he thinks MJ was an asexual who just wanted to live as a 12 year old boy. However, my point is more that Jackson didn't behave like a 12 year old boy. Boys that age don't behave like he did with their friends.
Jackson paid off the family in the first case before any verdict was reached and while he wasn't found guilty in the second case, some members of the jury later said that they were sure he was a pederast but that there just wasn't enough hard evidence to justify a conviction.
I think everyone agrees that the parents have to take much of the blame. I tend to believe that they were groomed themselves; starstruck by Jackson's fame, wealth and the gifts he would shower them with.
There is a possibility imo that Jackson was innocent and the relationships he had with the boys was strictly platonic but when everything is taken into consideration, I just find this highly unlikely.
Good points. I overlooked the fact that his behavior wasnt that of a 12 year old. And besides that how long can you "be" 12. Part of adolescence is the experiences of everything is new because you have 0 life experiences. That isnt true for MJ.
At some point if he were emotionally/mentally delayed in development his life experiences would invalidate those issues. Or he would be apparently stunted in every interaction which he wasnt.
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He wasnt charged with pedophilia. He was charged with molestation. The first is debatable, I think no you think yes. The second is molesting a child, which needs to be PROVEN in court. And NO ONE can do that. And this "paying everyone off or lure of celebrity" got him off is bullshit. His trial was in Santa Barabara, 1% black, all white, and one of the few Republican areas of southern California. Home to Ariana Huffington. This Jury of his peers HAD to have people like you that said, "What a sick freak, whys he having sleepovers with boys?" Wealthy Santa Barbara with a D.A. DESPERATE to get a conviction. But NO EVIDENCE. On ANY fucking count.
I started watching Leaving Neverland last night. Had to turn it off at the end of the first half. Seeing video of what looks exactly like him grooming a parade of young prepubescent boys, one at a time. Makes me sick, disgusted and sympathetic towards not only the boys, but there families.
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I started watching Leaving Neverland last night. Had to turn it off at the end of the first half. Seeing video of what looks exactly like him grooming a parade of young prepubescent boys, one at a time. Makes me sick, disgusted and sympathetic towards not only the boys, but there families.
Yes it is tough viewing - A very Creepy Weirdo.
The parents & some of Jacko’s People I’d like to see questioned & cross examined.
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Yes it is tough viewing - A very Creepy Weirdo.
The parents & some of Jacko’s People I’d like to see questioned & cross examined.
Yes, I agree. It's very hard to imagine how what seemed like intelligent people, would ever allow those events to happen not just onetime but many times. Adults just don't invite children into their beds unless they are the child's parents. Even an adult just hanging out day in and day out with a young child is weird. Allowing such things to happen is unthinkable. I blame the parents.It is the parents responsibility to protect their children not subject them to suspicious people and circumstances. As in "Don't ever take candy from strangers."
Unfortunately, celebrities' 'people' tend to support their employer regardless. That is part of the problem with Trump...he either has no checks and balances or he ignores them.
If you haven't already, you should read notomorrow's posts in this thread regarding Michael Jackson and his fondness for little boys. He is completely delusional.
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Or wealthy enough to settle out of court?
So you are saying that black singer can settle out court by money? How about Cosby? Most loved black man in histoy of USA, in jail by the witness testimonies.
OJ Simpson? How the trial would be end if that blood soaked and heat dried glove would have fit on his hand? If prosecutor would have common knowledge which tells him that wet leather shrinks like crazy when dried, we would have seen another endgame ;D
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So you are saying that black singer can settle out court by money? How about Cosby? Most loved black man in histoy of USA, in jail by the witness testimonies.
OJ Simpson? How the trial would be end if that blood soaked and heat dried glove would have fit on his hand? If prosecutor would have common knowledge which tells him that wet leather shrinks like crazy when dried, we would have seen another endgame ;D
This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.
Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.
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fucker painted himself white. That’s how mental he was.
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This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.
Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.
Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.
-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.
One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?
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On good think at least he will have the Blackstone labs guys In there to do gay for pay with them
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On good think at least he will have the Blackstone labs guys In there to do gay for pay with them
Doesn't G4P involve money? MJ was bankrupt when he passed. Capitalizing on his memory has made his family extremely rich. Furthermore, the only currency in hell is your soul...that is if you even believe in hell, which I don't.
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Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.
-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.
One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?
The problem is 1) Jackson is dead and 2) The victims testified in court that nothing happened so even if Jackson were still alive today he couldn't be charged.
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Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.
-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.
One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?
So you believe these two guys from the documentary. But those who brought court cases against MJ in the past didnt provide enough evidence for guilt.
Maybe we should just show documentary's at trials.
Prime you're no doubt a good dude but many of your posts are condescending.
Did it really take the women who accused Cosby 40 years to acquire evidence and build a case against or did they recognize that culturally it was the right time to pursue their case?
Dont act like the US court system is infallible, we have documented cases from the past where non guilty parties were found guilty because of their race, sex, education and/or past history.
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This is why I question MJ's guilt. But I'd also be interested to see how he would be viewed with the same charges in today's climate. Cosby flew under the radar for years, there were always rumors, but it took today's PC climate to bring him down.
Today maybe Jackson isnt found not guilty.
If jury of 12 citizen doesn't find him guilty, who will? Idiots of the internet? By what evidence? Rumors and claims of the people, who were defending him at the trial? Or is it just fun to earn few bucks by beating dead star who cannot defend himself?
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I watched Leaving Neverland part 1 on YouTube. Are they going to put up part 2? Very creepy video and the pics of Michael with those kids is very convincing. The look on his face is demonic.
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If jury of 12 citizen doesn't find him guilty, who will? Idiots of the internet? By what evidence? Rumors and claims of the people, who were defending him at the trial? Or is it just fun to earn few bucks by beating dead star who cannot defend himself?
What are you talking about?
MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.
Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't? How?
Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?
You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.
I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking. I'm sorry popo.
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What are you talking about?
MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.
Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't? How?
Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?
You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.
I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking. I'm sorry popo.
MJ was not found innocent. He was found not guilty. That is not the same as being found innocent. Just sayin'. ;) ;)
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What are you talking about?
MJ was found innocent. So was OJ. Jury's were used in both cases.
Jackson's jury got it right but OJ's didn't? How?
Did the political climate of Los Angeles in the 90s influence the OJ jury? Would the same jury yield the same results today?
You do know jury's are made up of people from the internet, ive participated in the process.
I'm sorry I've posted a question so difficult that it has caused your brain to fail. I do realize what I've posted is a higher level of critical thinking. I'm sorry popo.
Don’t waste you’re Time with that idiotic Twat
He’s Lost his marbles & just rambles verbal diarrhoea.
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MJ was not found innocent. He was found not guilty. That is not the same as being found innocent. Just sayin'. ;) ;)
Semantics. Stick to solving the identity of Jack the Ripper, using an alleged piece of evidence that's owned by private collector.
MJ had an innocent soul so hes guilty of that.
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Semantics. Stick to solving the identity of Jack the Ripper, using an alleged piece of evidence that's owned by private collector.
MJ had an innocent soul so hes guilty of that.
;D ;D ;D
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I watched Leaving Neverland part 1 on YouTube. Are they going to put up part 2? Very creepy video and the pics of Michael with those kids is very convincing. The look on his face is demonic.
How can you tell that it was demonic with all the pancake he spackled on his face?
I believe I watched the both episodes on HBO.
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FBI said they found nothing on Jackson after years of investigating. But I'm supposed to believe this out of the blue bullshit. Fuck Oprah c o o n ass!
It's not out of the blue. How many kids (that he is known to have spent a lot of time with) accused him? At least four I think.
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There are still too many questions. Why are there 2 guys now claiming they were molested after they testified in court and did numerous FBI interviews that nothing sexual happened?
This is very well covered in the Leaving Neverland documentary.
Why would someone like Corey Feldman who spent so much time with Jackson claimed nothing happened even though he admits to being molested by others and probably raped by Charlie Sheen? Why would he protect Jackson? Would Jackson skip over him and just molest other kids?
Feldman was an ugly looking kid. And a movie star.
These other two were good looking kids and average people.
Jackson had a "type". Rapists don't rape every woman they know...
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I would never trust a man with my kids, especially jacko lol. he was a strange guy, but the accusations from these guys are BS.
Especially the main one from the documentary, he realised he failed at life, and it was either this avenue or the suicide pill (unless he was willing to downgrade from the hollyweird lifestyle and work a 9-5).
That "main guy" was highly successful.
It's clear from your posts that you are a pedo defender. And highly suspicious yourself.
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This is very well covered in the Leaving Neverland documentary.
Feldman was an ugly looking kid. And a movie star.
These other two were good looking kids and average people.
Jackson had a "type". Rapists don't rape every woman they know...
I know that now as I have watched the video since that post.
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How can you tell that it was demonic with all the pancake he spackled on his face?
I believe I watched the both episodes on HBO.
The pics with those kids in the 80's was before MJ went through the physical transformation.
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in the documentary I think one family actively pursued him from australia and the other was the typical child performer family.
a responsible family would have told him to fuck off.
OK now I know you are filth.
It's clear that you are outright lying about the families.
Jackson clearly pursued the American kid - in a BIG WAY.
The Aussie mother did leave her husband to pursue her talented kids career in the USA - but that was at MJ's suggestion.
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Speaking of Michael Jackson.....his daughter is not taking that documentary well>
https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/16/paris-jackson-hospitalized-attempted-suicide-leaving-neverland-michael/
I feel so sorry for this girl. She must be in a bad mental state. Deep down she probably know MJ was a child abuser, but if she ever acknowledges it MJ's sick fans and his family will demonize her.
She is expected to live with cognitive dissonance. And for a girl who was already suicidal in the past it is a very terrible place she is in right now.
She can't win either way!
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The pics with those kids in the 80's was before MJ went through the physical transformation.
Are you saying he looked much like most other people in the 80's? Is this the picture of a person you'd entrust you kids to?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z2kAAOxygo9Q6AUl/s-l300.jpg)
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I bet he had sex with that chimp as well as noncing bairns the dirty stinking creepy cunt
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Are you saying he looked much like most other people in the 80's? Is this the picture of a person you'd entrust you kids to?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z2kAAOxygo9Q6AUl/s-l300.jpg)
You said you watched the documentary. There were several pics in that doc of Jackson where he looked totally demonic and perverted. Watch it again.
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I feel so sorry for this girl. She must be in a bad mental state. Deep down she probably know MJ was a child abuser, but if she ever acknowledges it MJ's sick fans and his family will demonize her.
She is expected to live with cognitive dissonance. And for a girl who was already suicidal in the past it is a very terrible place she is in right now.
She can't win either way!
Fuck them! For every fake "fan" she'd lose just because she "is" MJ's kid, she'd likely pick up 3 real ones that supported her, and cheered her on to better things in life.
She likely inherited enough "Fuck You" money for the rest of her life if she handles it right, that having that family demonize her wouldn't effect her financially and would serve her image in a positive manner as most of the world thinks everyone but Janet is a hack, user, coat tail rider, or in the case of Joe....a straight up piece of shit.
Seriously, who the fuck neuters their child with drugs to stop puberty just so they can sing like when they were 10? What a deranged money hungry piece of filth! >:(
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Seriously, who the fuck neuters their child with drugs to stop puberty just so they can sing like when they were 10? What a deranged money hungry piece of filth! >:(
The Catholic Church neutered young boys to enable them to sing like women but with a far more powerful voice. They were called "Il Castrato" and there was even a film made about these boys/young men. The Church claimed it was done for the glory of the Lord. If God exists, castrating innocents is not something a loving deity would find acceptable.
So yes. People have been subjected to this disgusting practice long before Jackson's time, albeit not chemically but via the knife.
For the record, Catholicism is not of the Nazarene but rather, of men. It sought control via the time honored method of mixing a bit of truth (the message of the Nazarene) with a shitload of lies (Catholic Doctrine/Dogma).
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You said you watched the documentary. There were several pics in that doc of Jackson where he looked totally demonic and perverted. Watch it again.
Do you like being contrary? You're confusing me. No matter that I posted a photo of him from 1985 where he looked creepy, too creepy for any right minded person to trust their kids with him.
So now your say that if I didn't notice his demonic appearance in the film, leaving Neverland, you think I should watch it again. Who cares whether he looked demonic or not. The film exposed him for the sick demon he was, regardless of the fact that he was ever proved guilty of being a demented pedophile in a court of law.
I am not going to watch that film again. It upset me enough that my emotions were completely raw and tears were streaming down my cheeks for all the people whose lives he ruined and the permanent damage he caused innocent children which has stayed with them well into their adulthood.
I cannot believe that some folks here were so taken by his talent and fame that they are willing to forgive or ignore the obvious. Instead they defend him because he had the emotional maturity of a 12 year old child who never grew up. -Got news for them, I don't buy the "Peter Pan" theory. What is quite ironic is that if you look into the original story of Peter Pan which depicted an actual person, that character was an evil pedophile who intended to steal someone's children.
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Do you like being contrary? You're confusing me. No matter that I posted a photo of him from 1985 where he looked creepy, too creepy for any right minded person to trust their kids with him.
So now your say that if I didn't notice his demonic appearance in the film, leaving Neverland, you think I should watch it again. Who cares whether he looked demonic or not. The film exposed him for the sick demon he was, regardless of the fact that he was ever proved guilty of being a demented pedophile in a court of law.
I am not going to watch that film again. It upset me enough that my emotions were completely raw and tears were streaming down my cheeks for all the people whose lives he ruined and the permanent damage he caused innocent children which has stayed with them well into their adulthood.
I cannot believe that some folks here were so taken by his talent and fame that they are willing to forgive or ignore the obvious. Instead they defend him because he had the emotional maturity of a 12 year old child who never grew up. -Got news for them, I don't buy the "Peter Pan" theory. What is quite ironic is that if you look into the original story of Peter Pan which depicted an actual person, that character was an evil pedophile who intended to steal someone's children.
And yet you'll vote democrat in 2020 knowing that aborting babies out of the womb, kept comfortable on a table, while having a discussion to terminate them is a real thing.....where's you tears about that?
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The Catholic Church neutered young boys to enable them to sing like women but with a far more powerful voice. They were called "Il Castrato" and there was even a film made about these boys/young men. The Church claimed it was done for the glory of the Lord. If God exists, castrating innocents is not something a loving deity would find acceptable.
So yes. People have been subjected to this disgusting practice long before Jackson's time, albeit not chemically but via the knife.
For the record, Catholicism is not of the Nazarene but rather, of men. It sought control via the time honored method of mixing a bit of truth (the message of the Nazarene) with a shitload of lies (Catholic Doctrine/Dogma).
I've heard about castration for opera singers....I didn't know it was thing with Catholicism. That organization can piss up a rope. Sin M-Sat, apologize Sunday and all is good to do it all over again. That's messed up as it is, but it goes way deeper for me personally than that as a result of a suicide. They change their stances on things based on what you did for their church, and that's bullshit! Either you believe something or you don't. It seems the only thing they really believe in is transferring pedophile priests from church to church, city to city, and state to state to protect themselves instead of the children who were brought there by their parents to learn about being a good person and putting your faith in God. Complete disgrace!
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The Catholic Church neutered young boys to enable them to sing like women but with a far more powerful voice. They were called "Il Castrato" and there was even a film made about these boys/young men. The Church claimed it was done for the glory of the Lord. If God exists, castrating innocents is not something a loving deity would find acceptable.
So yes. People have been subjected to this disgusting practice long before Jackson's time, albeit not chemically but via the knife.
For the record, Catholicism is not of the Nazarene but rather, of men. It sought control via the time honored method of mixing a bit of truth (the message of the Nazarene) with a shitload of lies (Catholic Doctrine/Dogma).
LOL the protestant church and the now thousands of charismatic fundamentalist sects are all just offshoots of the catholic church. The bible only nutters don't even know that the bible was created by the catholic church.
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LOL the protestant church and the now thousands of charismatic fundamentalist sects are all just offshoots of the catholic church. The bible only nutters don't even know that the bible was created by the catholic church.
Tell us more, I didnt realize you were such a bible scholar.
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Tell us more, I didnt realize you were such a bible scholar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Rome
They CHOSE what would be included and what would not be included in the bible.
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Tell us more, I didnt realize you were such a bible scholar.
Getbiggers are scholars in many areas of discipline.
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Do you like being contrary? You're confusing me. No matter that I posted a photo of him from 1985 where he looked creepy, too creepy for any right minded person to trust their kids with him.
So now your say that if I didn't notice his demonic appearance in the film, leaving Neverland, you think I should watch it again. Who cares whether he looked demonic or not. The film exposed him for the sick demon he was, regardless of the fact that he was ever proved guilty of being a demented pedophile in a court of law.
I am not going to watch that film again. It upset me enough that my emotions were completely raw and tears were streaming down my cheeks for all the people whose lives he ruined and the permanent damage he caused innocent children which has stayed with them well into their adulthood.
I cannot believe that some folks here were so taken by his talent and fame that they are willing to forgive or ignore the obvious. Instead they defend him because he had the emotional maturity of a 12 year old child who never grew up. -Got news for them, I don't buy the "Peter Pan" theory. What is quite ironic is that if you look into the original story of Peter Pan which depicted an actual person, that character was an evil pedophile who intended to steal someone's children.
I thought you were defending him by using a less than demonic pic. ;D There were other photos way worse than that one.
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How can you tell that it was demonic with all the pancake he spackled on his face?
I believe I watched the both episodes on HBO.
Pancake on face = Demonic.
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Yes it is tough viewing - A very Creepy Weirdo.
The parents & some of Jacko’s People I’d like to see questioned & cross examined.
Some parents do disgusting things for money it seems.
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Some parents do disgusting things for money it seems.
Yes - Sadly Clearly So.
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Pancake on face = Demonic.
Clowns
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Do you like being contrary? You're confusing me. No matter that I posted a photo of him from 1985 where he looked creepy, too creepy for any right minded person to trust their kids with him.
So now your say that if I didn't notice his demonic appearance in the film, leaving Neverland, you think I should watch it again. Who cares whether he looked demonic or not. The film exposed him for the sick demon he was, regardless of the fact that he was ever proved guilty of being a demented pedophile in a court of law.
I am not going to watch that film again. It upset me enough that my emotions were completely raw and tears were streaming down my cheeks for all the people whose lives he ruined and the permanent damage he caused innocent children which has stayed with them well into their adulthood.
I cannot believe that some folks here were so taken by his talent and fame that they are willing to forgive or ignore the obvious. Instead they defend him because he had the emotional maturity of a 12 year old child who never grew up. -Got news for them, I don't buy the "Peter Pan" theory. What is quite ironic is that if you look into the original story of Peter Pan which depicted an actual person, that character was an evil pedophile who intended to steal someone's children.
It’s amazing the effect of just one single documentary can have on someone. I love how the mother said she danced when he died in 2009 but only found out about the allegations in 2013. Surely no one would ever lie about someone for money, definitely not anyone who is now deceased and cannot defend themselves or an estate that is worth billions. That would be silly.
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Whether today or in the past, criminal and civil guilt is determined in the courts by juries or judges based on the evidence presented. In this case, MJ wasn't found guilty due to a lack of evidence via victim's and witness testimonies.
-Finished watching 'Leaving Neverland' last night. The victims and their families were completely believable. If they are lying, all of them deserve best actor awards. The documentary also examples how deeply MJ's suspected pedophilia affected the victims' entire families. The film is heartbreaking and it makes me mad as hell that in all probability, this atrocity actually happened.
One big takeaway for me is that there should be no statute of limitations on these types of crimes. The damage to the victims doesn't go away. It is something they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Why should the perpetrators' culpability ever conclude?
It’s amazing the effect of just one single documentary can have on someone. I love how the mother said she danced when he died in 2009 but only found out about the allegations in 2013. Surely no one would ever lie about someone for money, definitely not anyone who is now deceased and cannot defend themselves or an estate that is worth billions. That would be silly.
Prime just likes arguing.
In the same statement he claims MJ was found not guilty due to a lack of evidence and in the next paragraph he states that based on a documentary MJ is guilty.
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It’s amazing the effect of just one single documentary can have on someone. I love how the mother said she danced when he died in 2009 but only found out about the allegations in 2013. Surely no one would ever lie about someone for money, definitely not anyone who is now deceased and cannot defend themselves or an estate that is worth billions. That would be silly.
Those civil lawsuits filed in 2013 were dismissed because the time line exceeded the statute of limitations. It is currently awaiting a ruling on appeal. The Jackson Estate recently filed a $100 mil plus lawsuit against HBO for producing and airing Leaving Neverland. The Jackson estate invested a lot of money and time trying to block and/or distract from the release of Leaving Neverland.
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Clowns
They are actually Demons originating from the Flatness.
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They should burn the place to the ground.
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It’s amazing the effect of just one single documentary can have on someone. I love how the mother said she danced when he died in 2009 but only found out about the allegations in 2013. Surely no one would ever lie about someone for money, definitely not anyone who is now deceased and cannot defend themselves or an estate that is worth billions. That would be silly.
While he didn't go public and give further details, Safechuck said that he had told his mother that Jackson wasn't a good person a few years before Jackson had died.
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It’s amazing the effect of just one single documentary can have on someone. I love how the mother said she danced when he died in 2009 but only found out about the allegations in 2013. Surely no one would ever lie about someone for money, definitely not anyone who is now deceased and cannot defend themselves or an estate that is worth billions. That would be silly.
While he didn't go public and give further details, Safechuck said that he had told his mother that Jackson wasn't a good person a few years before Jackson had died.
TheShape, you should pay attention or you might come off as a bit stupid.
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How can anyone believe this guy?
Nothing but a money grab.
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They should burn the place to the ground.
While Jackson's estate denies that the controversial documentary has dampened interest in the ranch - now known as Sycamore Ranch Valley - the sprawling property is back on the market at $31 million, down from the 2015 asking price of $100 million. The property is not and cannot be open to the public due to zoning laws.
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How can anyone believe this guy?
Nothing but a money grab.
Stickin up for MJ, and your avatar is Dahmer :o