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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 15, 2019, 11:49:52 AM
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Nope
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The internet has made college a complete waste of time unless your field is highly specialised.You can learn anything now online.
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only if you want to come out a brain dead left wing fuckwit who cant possibly engage in debate without crying foul...
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You don't need to go to college to be successful. That being said, I strongly endorse two year tech or trade schools. For pretty much a bargain you can learn skills that get you off and running almost immediately while you pursue your fortunes. You don't necessarily have to stay in the field you graduate in but this keeps a roof over your head while you explore.
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The internet has made college a complete waste of time unless your field is highly specialised.You can learn anything now online.
Anyone that says this hasn't done an acquisition, a merger, or even understands calculations on EBITDA margins.
There is no way I could grasp what I learned getting my MBA online. lol so stupid
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It depends on what you plan to do with your life.
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Anyone that says this hasn't done an acquisition, a merger, or even understands calculations on EBITDA margins.
There is no way I could grasp what I learned getting my MBA online. lol so stupid
He said in a field that is "highly specialized". M&A isn't exactly a run of the mill job, lol
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that's a lot of money for a relatively easy job
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You don't need to go to college to be successful. That being said, I strongly endorse two year tech or trade schools. For pretty much a bargain you can learn skills that get you off and running almost immediately while you pursue your fortunes. You don't necessarily have to stay in the field you graduate in but this keeps a roof over your head while you explore.
Understanding management methodologies and financial/accounting principals (most of the time) require further education.
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.....nope
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.....nope
You can tell me how to get shredded and stronger what more does one need.
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Anyone that says this hasn't done an acquisition, a merger, or even understands calculations on EBITDA margins.
There is no way I could grasp what I learned getting my MBA online. lol so stupid
I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
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I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
How much does he do in t shirt sales is the real question.
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I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
People like your friend are to be commended. Unfortunately, the majority of high school dropouts are so lucky.
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I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
then you should tell him he will soon be rich enough to post on getbig! :D
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As with anything: it depends.
If you are going to work a manual labor job or sales or in the service industry, then of course you don't need college. A trade school and/or apprenticeship is more than enough.
But if you want to work in finance, the medical field, and to some degree the tech field (to be a programmer/coder, of course not, but to be a researcher or go into management) then yes.
The nice thing about the tech industry is you can start at the very bottom with no formal education and most companies will actually pay for you to take courses and get accreditation.
The problem is a lot of management are old school and still look at a college degree as a must-have. For example, if its between a high school grad and a college grad, all things equal, they'll take the college grad. Not for all jobs, but this is just from experience. The first job I got was purely due to the name of the college I went to. I had no experience, only a college degree and the theoretical knowledge I gained over 4 years. That first job got my foot in the door. After that, my education has never been brought up in an interview (except for my current job because my manager went to the same college I did).
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Understanding management methodologies and financial/accounting principals (most of the time) require further education.
As does being a doctor, a research scientist, etc etc. But the average John or Jane Doe can make a significant paycheck doing jobs that require only a two year degree. A lot of 4 year graduates make diddly for salaries. Only in the high tech, management or medical sectors do salaries start to merit the ridiculous cost of 4+ year college degrees. Even that is changing. My daughter in law got a two year nursing degree and now makes $100K a year at a local hospital at the ICU.
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But you went to college Vince and are relatively successful, you have your own mobile home, several cars and even a Cadillac, multiple businesses and websites, you can handle angry customers when they want to speak to a supervisor and even won a bodybuilding contest trophy. Would you have made it that far without the college diploma?
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People like your friend are to be commended. Unfortunately, the majority of high school dropouts are so lucky.
True. Of course there are those that are mega successful with no college but it is much less likely. The type of person who is disciplined enough to start and run a successful business, learn skills online and out in the real world and self educate is usually the type of person who at least gets some college. Most people who never go to college are the types that were lazy and unfocused in high school. IF a person works hard and IF the person self educates and IF the person doesn't make big mistakes in their early 20's like impregnating women or committing crimes they can succeed but this usually doesn't happen with someone who was a failure in high school.
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As does being a doctor, a research scientist, etc etc. But the average John or Jane Doe can make a significant paycheck doing jobs that require only a two year degree. A lot of 4 year graduates make diddly for salaries. Only in the high tech, management or medical sectors do salaries start to merit the ridiculous cost of 4+ year college degrees. Even that is changing. My daughter in law got a two year nursing degree and now makes $100K a year at a local hospital at the ICU.
I'm all for trade schools and 2 year degrees. Statistically, people with the most education fair the best, career wise. On average, people with professional degrees earn 6x as much as people who do not graduate from high school
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You need to have a skill to make a living.
Somehow you have to obtain that skill.
You need some innate smarts. If you're a dummy you'll have a tough time.
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You need to have a skill to make a living.
Somehow you have to obtain that skill.
You need some innate smarts. If you're a dummy you'll have a tough time.
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As does being a doctor, a research scientist, etc etc. But the average John or Jane Doe can make a significant paycheck doing jobs that require only a two year degree. A lot of 4 year graduates make diddly for salaries. Only in the high tech, management or medical sectors do salaries start to merit the ridiculous cost of 4+ year college degrees. Even that is changing. My daughter in law got a two year nursing degree and now makes $100K a year at a local hospital at the ICU.
There are many variables... Defining what "significant paycheck" is a big one.
Where the hell does she nurse and make $100k from two years of school?? My wife is a nurse practitioner and after 7 years makes $150k. She started as a nurse, it takes four years here in Canada, also takes them about 4-5 years of practicing to make $100k. Which is way too low in my opinion. Free health care here brings in the finest of folks.
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How much does he do in t shirt sales is the real question.
Enough to support his beach house within 5mos.
So much for your “few hundred” a month theory
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She is a nurse in the Greenville (SC) Hospital system. Starting salary right our of school was $65K a year.She hit $80K in 2 years. In the USA nursing and medical assistant jobs are a very lucrative profession. Becoming a physician's assistant with 5 years experience can get you upwards of $125K easily.
A significant paycheck of course is geographical region dependent, but I go by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. I own a tech company and have won several research grants so I have to justify all salaries in accordance with the BLS means. Making $60K a year is about the mean for tech people in a region like Phoenix, AZ (all skills and experience) and $100K is in the upper 5-10% range. So a significant salary is anything close to $80-100K.
Throw all that out the window if you are in sales and are good. I spend a lot of time in marketing and sales and making $150-200K as a good salesperson is very common. Degree not required.
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Enough to support his beach house within 5mos.
So much for your “few hundred” a month theory
Taking over the world my man. Good job big coach.
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I majored in Sociology with a minor in Gender Studies.
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If you dont have a specialized education, skill or trade then its highly unlikely you will open many doors besides some low skilled labour position in the trade industry or some form of clerical position in an office.
A college education a basic meal ticket nowadays to scramble your way into an entry level position.
But then again if you study something of value, you wont have to worry about asking these questions. You will most likely be employed and not working at a call center or doing one day courses to become a certified trainer.
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I took science and religion that way if I failed science I could just believe in God and everything would be OK..
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At this point, I would guess about 75 to 80% of the educational infrastructure is unnecessary and redundant. The only reason we haven’t seen massive downsizing is because it’s such a heavily intervened industry by the government.
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Understanding management methodologies and financial/accounting principals (most of the time) require further education.
I agree but I think it was stupid that I had to sit through Accounting 101, etc... and bullshit like that. If I could have tested out (I could have) it would have saved a lot of time and money.
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I majored in Sociology with a minor in Gender Studies.
How's that working out for you?
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I agree but I think it was stupid that I had to sit through Accounting 101, etc... and bullshit like that. If I could have tested out (I could have) it would have saved a lot of time and money.
Just think of how much unnecessary traveling is done for people to go sit in a room and listen to some professor regurgitate the same lecture year after year when it could be done online anytime anywhere.
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How's that working out for you?
Quite well. I have a job.
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Just think of how much unnecessary traveling is done for people to go sit in a room and listen to some professor regurgitate the same lecture year after year when it could be done online anytime anywhere.
It's absolutely sickening! The smart independent thinkers who realize there is something wrong with that system are made to feel bad for questioning it.
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Quite well. I have a job.
Irrefutable evidence regarding the strength of the Trump economy.
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But you went to college Vince and are relatively successful, you have your own mobile home, several cars and even a Cadillac, multiple businesses and websites, you can handle angry customers when they want to speak to a supervisor and even won a bodybuilding contest trophy. Would you have made it that far without the college diploma?
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First off, I am the supervisor so I handle angriest of them all ..lol. Secondly, I went to ITT and got ripped off big time for a job I could have gotten without it. The only real use I got was from my Fitness & Exercise Diploma from Ashwoth College and i should have done that instead although honestly without ITT, i would have never ended up in Greenville, SC which i love living at.
Honestly, my whole dig is to only go to college for something worth while doing. However if you are dumb as rocks or have interest in car repair and building, you should go to a trade school and make real money like this lineman
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Quite well. I have a job.
How is everything at AutoZone? ;)
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How is everything at AutoZone? ;)
Prime, would love to give you a free lube job at Auto Zone.
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I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
If "$50-100mil" is meant to per year that seems just a little far fetched for a "roofing contractor." Assume the average roof job costs $100,000 (a number I'm pulling out of thin air; I've no idea how much it does, but I can't imagine it's more than $100,000 unless your roof is made of gold), then he's doing between 500 and 1,000 of those a year, which works out to more than a roof job per day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year. Unless you live in a place where the rate of roof failures is unusually high (or your buddy does a shitty job) at a rate of 500 roofs per year, he'd probably run out of roofs to repair relatively quickly.
For reference, Kiewit Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiewit_Corporation), "one of the largest construction and engineering organizations in North America" with over 22,000 employees which handles things like highway interchanges, dam spillways, bridges and more had revenue of $1.2 billion (and a profit of about $580 million). I just find it hard to believe that one of the largest construction companies in North America would only do 10x in revenue compared to your "roofing contractor" buddy.
Something smells.
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First off, I am the supervisor so I handle angriest of them all ..lol. Secondly, I went to ITT and got ripped off big time for a job I could have gotten without it. The only real use I got was from my Fitness & Exercise Diploma from Ashwoth College and i should have done that instead although honestly without ITT, i would have never ended up in Greenville, SC which i love living at.
Honestly, my whole dig is to only go to college for something worth while doing. However if you are dumb as rocks or have interest in car repair and building, you should go to a trade school and make real money like this lineman
Tradesmen have real education, something you dont have. They have a skilled craft, that requires 4-5 years of schooling and training before they are licenced.
Maybe you should try going to school for four years and get an actual education before you bash people with real skill sets. What you have is a job role, not an actual career. A placement no different then a cashier becoming a McDonalds supervisor after there committment.
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I`m a certified and qualified Gynecologist and I`m fine with that.
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I disagree
glad I went to university
Purdue and ASU
great memories and I really worked my ass off.
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Jordan Peterson on college - good video
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Tradesmen have real education, something you dont have. They have a skilled craft, that requires 4-5 years of schooling and training before they are licenced.
Maybe you should try going to school for four years and get an actual education before you bash people with real skill sets. What you have is a job role, not an actual career. A placement no different then a cashier becoming a McDonalds supervisor after there committment.
Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone claiming that education is overrated or not needed to be truly successful doesn’t understand the world and the doors it opens. Just some of the practical experiences I got out of getting an MBA, I use daily in my practice.
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Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone claiming that education is overrated or not needed to be truly successful doesn’t understand the world and the doors it opens. Just some of the practical experiences I got out of getting an MBA, I use daily in my practice.
finishing school creates confidence and shows you can achieve tough tasks
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If "$50-100mil" is meant to per year that seems just a little far fetched for a "roofing contractor." Assume the average roof job costs $100,000 (a number I'm pulling out of thin air; I've no idea how much it does, but I can't imagine it's more than $100,000 unless your roof is made of gold), then he's doing between 500 and 1,000 of those a year, which works out to more than a roof job per day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year. Unless you live in a place where the rate of roof failures is unusually high (or your buddy does a shitty job) at a rate of 500 roofs per year, he'd probably run out of roofs to repair relatively quickly.
For reference, Kiewit Corporation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiewit_Corporation), "one of the largest construction and engineering organizations in North America" with over 22,000 employees which handles things like highway interchanges, dam spillways, bridges and more had revenue of $1.2 billion (and a profit of about $580 million). I just find it hard to believe that one of the largest construction companies in North America would only do 10x in revenue compared to your "roofing contractor" buddy.
Something smells.
Oh I’m sorry, are you in the roofing industry? I was for over 20 years as I’ve said on here MANY times. Don’t believe everything the internet tells you. Keiwit are general contractors that generally sub out their contractors (roofing, HVAC, etc).
When the work comes from public works and major construction (100,000+sqs mainly tilt-ups) plus being a union shop and being in business for over 20 years, it adds up quickly especially with a good rep.
Your turn
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finishing school creates confidence and shows you can achieve tough tasks
You always know which fork to use and you develop a mean courtesy.
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You always know which fork to use and you develop a mean courtesy.
LOL ;D
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You always know which fork to use and you develop a mean courtesy.
You can find that on the internet too, no fancy pants book learnin' required -
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(The first video is actually pretty good).
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Oh I’m sorry, are you in the roofing industry? I was for over 20 years as I’ve said on here MANY times. Don’t believe everything the internet tells you. Keiwit are general contractors that generally sub out their contractors (roofing, HVAC, etc).
When the work comes from public works and major construction plus being a union shop and being in business for over 20 years, it adds up quick especially with a good rep.
Your turn
So, that’s $50 to $100 million over 20 years? You never said that; it’s a much more reasonable amount. The way you wrote it suggested $50-$100 million per year, which was what caught my attention.
And no, I’m not in the contracting business; nor do I need to be to identify the absurdity of a roofing contractor making $50,000,000 in sales per year. $2,500,000 is reasonable.
My reply? Learn how to properly express your thoughts and how to read.
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Oh I’m sorry, are you in the roofing industry? I was for over 20 years as I’ve said on here MANY times. Don’t believe everything the internet tells you. Keiwit are general contractors that generally sub out their contractors (roofing, HVAC, etc).
When the work comes from public works and major construction plus being a union shop and being in business for over 20 years, it adds up quick especially with a good rep.
Your turn
Did you just say don’t believe everything the internet tells you? Lol thanks coach.
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So, that’s $50 to $100 million over 20 years? You never said that; it’s a much more reasonable amount. The way you wrote it suggested $50-$100 million per year, which was what caught my attention.
And no, I’m not in the contracting business; nor do I need to be to identify the absurdity of a roofing contractor making $50,000,000 in sales per year. $2,500,000 is reasonable.
My reply? Learn how to properly express your thoughts and how to read.
No, not over 20 years. Go back re-read my edit.
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So, that’s $50 to $100 million over 20 years? You never said that; it’s a much more reasonable amount. The way you wrote it suggested $50-$100 million per year, which was what caught my attention.
And no, I’m not in the contracting business; nor do I need to be to identify the absurdity of a roofing contractor making $50,000,000 in sales per year. $2,500,000 is reasonable.
My reply? Learn how to properly express your thoughts and how to read.
Please, residential-only roofing contractors, that are non-union do a hell of a lot more than that.
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Anyone that says this hasn't done an acquisition, a merger, or even understands calculations on EBITDA margins.
There is no way I could grasp what I learned getting my MBA online. lol so stupid
That may be true for you - but I have done fairly well and honestly don’t feel like I use any of my collegiate learning. I think having been exposed to so many types of people may help in the public speaking part of what I do but I think the Marine Corps gave me the discipline and confidence needed for getting where I have in banking / finance.
Absolutely anyone can become wealthy with ZERO university
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Please, residential-only roofing contractors, that are non-union do a hell of a lot more than that.
I subcontract jobs to two groups of Hispanic American's as a side gig / hobby and we do $230,000.
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I have a roofing contractor friend, high school drop out, has a firm grasp on business doing $50-$100mil In sales.
That’s a huge swing.
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That’s a huge swing.
It is, he's somewhere between there. Workers comp on hot work is astronomical. Not sure what it is now but used to be 100%
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Please, residential-only roofing contractors, that are non-union do a hell of a lot more than that.
Who the hell wants to be a roofing contractor or even deal with that type of employee?
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I subcontract jobs to two groups of Hispanic American's as a side gig / hobby and we do $230,000.
Yup
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Who the hell wants to be a roofing contractor or even deal with that type of employee?
If you're a good employer you rarely have to worry about "that type" of employee (whatever that means)
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No, not over 20 years. Go back re-read my edit.
Dude, what? You’re complaining because my original post and comments didn’t address an edit you made after I posted? Do you understand how time and temporal succession works?
I addressed a problem with your original post. If you went back and corrected your text in response to that, that’s fine and dandy but criticizing me for addressing the flaws in your original post is crazier than some of the shit the Democrats are saying on the debate stage right now!
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Dude, what? You’re complaining because my original post and comments didn’t address an edit you made after I posted? Do you understand how time and temporal succession works?
I addressed a problem with your original post. If you went back and corrected your text in response to that, that’s fine and dandy but criticizing me for addressing the flaws in your original post is crazier than some of the shit the Democrats are saying on the debate stage right now!
This was the edit
“When the work comes from public works and major construction plus being a union shop and being in business for over 20 years, it adds up quick especially with a good rep”
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Dude, what? You’re complaining because my original post and comments didn’t address an edit you made after I posted? Do you understand how time and temporal succession works?
I addressed a problem with your original post. If you went back and corrected your text in response to that, that’s fine and dandy but criticizing me for addressing the flaws in your original post is crazier than some of the shit the Democrats are saying on the debate stage right now!
Hahaha, did you ask me if I understood how “time and succession”? No! Lmao.
I have a feeling both you or XFACTOR have never got your hands dirty in your lives. lol
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Hahaha, did you ask me if I understood how “time and succession”? No! Lmao.
Yes, because your response to a comment I made about what you said, your response basically was: “I changed what I said so your comments are wrong! Ha! Gotcha!”
I have a feeling both you or XFACTOR have never got your hands dirty in your lives. lol
Does it really matter if I have? Would it somehow make me more credible? Would I somehow be a better person if my job involved building roofs instead of computer science?
I work in Academia. I know you think I breathe rarified air and are scared shitless of what I do in my comfortable office, high up in my ivory tower. I know that you see me and other academics as enemies. It’s typical of the small-minded.
You’ve got a good physique Joe. But you’re using every muscle except the one that counts.
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A better title for this thread would be "Does everyone need to go to college"
The answer to that would be no
Some people (perhaps most) should definitely go, but like everything else in the world that doesn't mean it's right for everyone
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Tradesmen have real education, something you dont have. They have a skilled craft, that requires 4-5 years of schooling and training before they are licenced.
Maybe you should try going to school for four years and get an actual education before you bash people with real skill sets. What you have is a job role, not an actual career. A placement no different then a cashier becoming a McDonalds supervisor after there committment.
Tradesman get their education while working at the job and its paid for by the company to get licensed. Or for someone fixing cars, it's a minimal amount of time.
At no point I was bashing people but I certainly dont have some job role...took 2 years to train for the position I have outside of the many years I spent in the telecom industry along with the ability to fix and check phone lines, train people, and handle employee issues. That even goes for a McDonalds supervisor who has to be good at finances, managing inventory and other issues
My point is to not go to college if you have no applicable reason to do so or just to go to "find yourself " like most liberal jackasses do....otherwise you'll end up with some worthless degree in English or crystal healing and have a job working as a waiter while having 200k in student debt. If I could turn back time, I'd be that fucking lineman but I accept the decisions I made in life
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Tradesman get their education while working at the job and its paid for by the company to get licensed. Or for someone fixing cars, it's a minimal amount of time.
At no point I was bashing people but I certainly dont have some job role...took 2 years to train for the position I have outside of the many years I spent in the telecom industry along with the ability to fix and check phone lines, train people, and handle employee issues. That even goes for a McDonalds supervisor who has to be good at finances, managing inventory and other issues
My point is to not go to college if you have no applicable reason to do so or just to go to "find yourself " like most liberal jackasses do....otherwise you'll end up with some worthless degree in English and have a job working as a waiter while having 200k in student debt. If I could turn back time, I'd be that fucking lineman but I accept the decisions I made in life
100% spot on assessment Vince. People often go to college because they "think they should go to college". And then they end up with a mountain of debt that is nearly impossible to pay back. When my tech biz was in Arizona I hired over the span of 10 years 30-40 college graduates from Arizona State University. Most had no freaking clue what they were doing- and that included students with 4+ GPAs.
My absolute best employees were either self taught or two year degree graduates. And I'm in the semiconductor industry where the demands are very high for product performance. The very best training you can get is on the job because text books are at least 5 years behind the tech if not more.
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;D ;D
I would say no..
Not a millionaire yet..
But I'm very comfortable making 6 figures a year with no Degree..
;D ;D
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A better title for this thread would be "Does everyone need to go to college"
The answer to that would be no
Some people (perhaps most) should definitely go, but like everything else in the world that doesn't mean it's right for everyone
I would argue that very few (who wish to build true wealth) should waste 4-6 years and $100,000 + in debt
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It's absolutely sickening! The smart independent thinkers who realize there is something wrong with that system are made to feel bad for questioning it.
And they are punished by not getting the good jobs because they refuse to sit through the bullshit.
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A better title for this thread would be "Does everyone need to go to college"
The answer to that would be no
Some people (perhaps most) should definitely go, but like everything else in the world that doesn't mean it's right for everyone
True, a person who hates and does poorly in school should not go to college. It makes no since to waste money on tuition if nothing comes out of it.
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Depends on the person, not a must. I barely made it out of HS, straight D student, was too concerned w/ girls, lifting,beer drinking.
Didn't go to college.
Been in IT Networks/Security for 25 years now, last 20 at this same job (though company was bought and sold 8 times). They started everyone at 100K back in 1999/2000.
So salary grew. Many of us from the initial startup are still there, why leave a cush, high paying gig?
(Hired in the startup of craze of late 90's, early 2K, made it thru the burst-bubble of tech, back in early 2K's).
For some, college can be great for ones career. We get lots of co-op students in each summer in the internet engineering programs, many are hired full-time after college.
(Into a high paying, cush job). I put my 2 kids thru college as I wanted them to have that degree, go on internships (one went to S. Korea for 10-week internship).
I'm on the back nine now, w/ 7-10years left to work, but I landed a good job/life w/out college. Some are different.
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Agree with Powerlift.
I went through College/Universities etc but i'm betting that Powerlift has a better life than me nowadays (by not living in Sweden)
Nah
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I majored in Sociology with a minor in Gender Studies.
And the PHD you said you got?
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You also have to remember that online and distance learning are very new compared to the classroom model which is thousands of years old. The former is going to get better and better and it will become apparent that it is a more efficient way to learn.
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A lot of bullshit being posted in this thread
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Millennial kids are so impressed with their useless degrees they rationalize their value. If you want to know its value look at your pay check. No, it doesn't mean you are intelligent. I would buy that argument if the degree was in the sciences, math, medicine and engineering. I told my kids if their college degree didn't have their job printed on it they wasted their time. Two listened and are making great money and the one that didn't is making 50K. Not bad but not good. Unfortunately even for crap jobs the people want to see the liberal arts degree because the ones hiring have one too and it's now the high school diploma of the 50's.
The trades seem to be the way to go. Talk to a lot of the trade guys in the gym. One is a plumber and he said he never advertises. All word of mouth. His business is very successful. Owns a house on the water with two new cars. He said he's at the point in his life where he won't work past noon. A counter top guy drives a Mercedes. Welders in North Dakota make a mint. The handy men by me in NJ turn down work left and right. They have too much work.
The guaranteed student loans are the reason tuition is through the roof. If they got rid of them watch formerly 50K a year schools go down to 20K because of the drop in enrollment.
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Yep, easy financing makes prices go up.
The education business is big money.
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Millennial kids are so impressed with their useless degrees they rationalize their value. If you want to know its value look at your pay check. No, it doesn't mean you are intelligent. I would buy that argument if the degree was in the sciences, math, medicine and engineering. I told my kids if their college degree didn't have their job printed on it they wasted their time. Two listened and are making great money and the one that didn't is making 50K. Not bad but not good. Unfortunately even for crap jobs the people want to see the liberal arts degree because the ones hiring have one too and it's now the high school diploma of the 50's.
The trades seem to be the way to go. Talk to a lot of the trade guys in the gym. One is a plumber and he said he never advertises. All word of mouth. His business is very successful. Owns a house on the water with two new cars. He said he's at the point in his life where he won't work past noon. A counter top guy drives a Mercedes. Welders in North Dakota make a mint. The handy men by me in NJ turn down work left and right. They have too much work.
The guaranteed student loans are the reason tuition is through the roof. If they got rid of them watch formerly 50K a year schools go down to 20K because of the drop in enrollment.
I worked for 3 different companies that would not promote a person who didn't have a degree in something. In all 3 companies the people who should have been promoted (smartest, best at job, best leadership) didn't get promoted for this reason. The ones promoted had degrees in history and university studies. ::) There is a huge bias against those without a degree by those with degrees. Two of the three that got passed up left and started their own companies. I agree, why work for idiots?
The trades can bring in good money but if it's hard physical labor realize that it gets old really quick unless you move up to owning your own company and hire others. You don't want to be crawling around under trailers and in attics when you are 50 years old.
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I worked for 3 different companies that would not promote a person who didn't have a degree in something. In all 3 companies the people who should have been promoted (smartest, best at job, best leadership) didn't get promoted for this reason. The ones promoted had degrees in history and university studies. ::) There is a huge bias against those without a degree by those with degrees. Two of the three that got passed up left and started their own companies. I agree, why work for idiots?
The trades can bring in good money but if it's hard physical labor realize that it gets old really quick unless you move up to owning your own company and hire others. You don't want to be crawling around under trailers and in attics when you are 50 years old.
Truth.
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I worked for 3 different companies that would not promote a person who didn't have a degree in something. In all 3 companies the people who should have been promoted (smartest, best at job, best leadership) didn't get promoted for this reason. The ones promoted had degrees in history and university studies. ::) There is a huge bias against those without a degree by those with degrees. Two of the three that got passed up left and started their own companies. I agree, why work for idiots?
The trades can bring in good money but if it's hard physical labor realize that it gets old really quick unless you move up to owning your own company and hire others. You don't want to be crawling around under trailers and in attics when you are 50 years old.
I worked for both IBM and General Electric at one time. No degree, no job was the rule in the salaried ranks. Then one day at GE I walked in and we were told the entire division was to be shut down in a month, laying off thousands of people. Many of these people were in their mid to late 50's and ended up pretty much unhirable at the money they were making. That's what working for corporations is all about.
I decided over the next few years that I was never going to be put in the position of being dumped from a job like that so I went off and created my own company. Lots of hours and sleepless nights but it ended up being the best move I ever made. It paid off 1000 times over.
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I'd just as soon keep workin', though. Keep a little change in my pocket. Better than listenin' to some dipshit who doesn't know what the hell he's talkin' about anyway.
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But you went to college Vince and are relatively successful, you have your own mobile home, several cars and even a Cadillac, multiple businesses and websites, you can handle angry customers when they want to speak to a supervisor and even won a bodybuilding contest trophy. Would you have made it that far without the college diploma?
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U just kill mr.safety fat >:(
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that's a lot of money for a relatively easy job
;D ;D ;D ProAM Beach Bum is 1 of the best Jobs ever 8)
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Damn, a lot of successful millionaires in this thread. Wish I had money. :'(
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I majored in Sociology with a minor in Gender Studies.
I didn't, but I was expell from 4 different high schools ;D
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I worked for both IBM and General Electric at one time. No degree, no job was the rule in the salaried ranks. Then one day at GE I walked in and we were told the entire division was to be shut down in a month, laying off thousands of people. Many of these people were in their mid to late 50's and ended up pretty much unhirable at the money they were making. That's what working for corporations is all about.
I decided over the next few years that I was never going to be put in the position of being dumped from a job like that so I went off and created my own company. Lots of hours and sleepless nights but it ended up being the best move I ever made. It paid off 1000 times over.
Self employment is the best employment.
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U just kill mr.safety fat >:(
;D
How so? Vince B also won a bodybuilding trophy and invented some exercising contraptions. But I don’t know if he owns a mobile home or has several cars, businesses and investments or has an Assworth College diploma like Vince G.
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Damn, a lot of successful millionaires in this thread. Wish I had money. :'(
Opal mining Australia ;)
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How so? Vince B also won a bodybuilding trophy and invented some exercising contraptions. But I don’t know if he owns a mobile home or has several cars, businesses and investments or has an Assworth College diploma like Vince G.
;D, safety fatso drive old bomb & never ever named 'his' successfull bussines ........American V. is totally dominating over him :D
It's Coke vs Pepsi war :D
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Millennial kids are so impressed with their useless degrees they rationalize their value. If you want to know its value look at your pay check. No, it doesn't mean you are intelligent. I would buy that argument if the degree was in the sciences, math, medicine and engineering. I told my kids if their college degree didn't have their job printed on it they wasted their time. Two listened and are making great money and the one that didn't is making 50K. Not bad but not good. Unfortunately even for crap jobs the people want to see the liberal arts degree because the ones hiring have one too and it's now the high school diploma of the 50's.
The trades seem to be the way to go. Talk to a lot of the trade guys in the gym. One is a plumber and he said he never advertises. All word of mouth. His business is very successful. Owns a house on the water with two new cars. He said he's at the point in his life where he won't work past noon. A counter top guy drives a Mercedes. Welders in North Dakota make a mint. The handy men by me in NJ turn down work left and right. They have too much work.
The guaranteed student loans are the reason tuition is through the roof. If they got rid of them watch formerly 50K a year schools go down to 20K because of the drop in enrollment.
As an elevator mechanic apprentice I am quite happy with route I chose, although it's very challenging mentally. The physical portion isnt that difficult it's the trouble shooting, and electrical portion of my industry i find the hardest. The products are constantly evolving and it's a constant learning process having to work with European and American products.
Our mechanics make 120-140k a year regular 40 hour weeks. There is a lot of over time and room for advancement between other sectors in our industry. Construction, service, maintenance and modernization are the department's we work in.
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Self employment is the best employment.
This
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How so? Vince B also won a bodybuilding trophy and invented some exercising contraptions. But I don’t know if he owns a mobile home or has several cars, businesses and investments or has an Assworth College diploma like Vince G.
Mr. Goodrum would not be where he is today without an innate business sense and solid interpersonal skills.
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As an elevator mechanic apprentice I am quite happy with route I chose, although it's very challenging mentally. The physical portion isnt that difficult it's the trouble shooting, and electrical portion of my industry i find the hardest. The products are constantly evolving and it's a constant learning process having to work with European and American products.
Our mechanics make 120-140k a year regular 40 hour weeks. There is a lot of over time and room for advancement between other sectors in our industry. Construction, service, maintenance and modernization are the department's we work in.
That kind of job is too up-and-down for most people.
How do you find a job like that? Did you just fall into it by chance?
How high can a job like that take you? Can you go all the way to the top?
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Mr. Goodrum would not be where he is today without an innate business sense and solid interpersonal skills.
You forgot great fashion sense and a lovely used Jaguar !
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Self employment is the best employment.
No shit though
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How so? Vince B also won a bodybuilding trophy and invented some exercising contraptions. But I don’t know if he owns a mobile home or has several cars, businesses and investments or has an Assworth College diploma like Vince G.
True, but he did hand pick his own judges.
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That kind of job is too up-and-down for most people.
How do you find a job like that? Did you just fall into it by chance?
How high can a job like that take you? Can you go all the way to the top?
Sometimes you end up just getting the shaft. :-\
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Like anything if you go above and beyond your wages worth in value companies take interest in you. Every job can can be looked at as human capital, and what you offer dictates where you go. To answer your question, I have seen mechanics get into management related positions due to there knowledge on practical applications and theory.
To get a unionized job as an elevator mechanic is extremely hard to get into. People with military backgrounds can get in through programs such as helmets to hardhats if there is an intake. My union values people who serve and it tends to be a meal ticket for most. Other then that, its unlikely that people will get in unless they have prior experience or know somebody in the industry during an intake
There are around 5000 union mechanics in canada
A lot of options. I work with mechanics who are on call along with there 40 hour work weeks, which gives them a guaranteed 2 hours extra a day even if they dont get the actual call. Not exactly my cup of tea, but these guys are pulling in lots of money working the extended hours. Considering all OT is double time.
Mechanical related trades are a good investment if want to go the trades route.
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True, but he did hand pick his own judges.
& trophies ;)
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No shit though
Then why aren't you doing it?
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Sometimes you end up just getting the shaft. :-\
A job like that can open doors for you.
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Depends what type of education. Some educations there is no laid out straight path or educational system or teacher classes online.
But yes most today can be learnt online.
Most computer programmers are mainly self learnt through use of internet today. That speaks volumes...
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I'm all for trade schools and 2 year degrees. Statistically, people with the most education fair the best, career wise. On average, people with professional degrees earn 6x as much as people who do not graduate from high school
That could also have to do with the fact that people with higher IQ fair better getting through the educational system.
If the educational system was gone tomorrow the same people would still do the best.
If you are self motivated most things can be self learnt today through the internet. Problem is people lack self motivation.
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That could also have to do with the fact that people with higher IQ fair better getting through the educational system.
If the educational system was gone tomorrow the same people would still do the best.
If you are self motivated most things can be self learnt today through the internet. Problem is people lack self motivation.
But the educational system isn't gone and won't be gone. People with education make more and have more opportunity. We can all think of outliers that didn't go to school and make $100 million doing roofing (coaches friends), but 99% of the time the person with further education wins. I can take what I have learned throughout business school and practical experience, and do anything in any field. I love sports and so I created an entire division in our company that delivers technology platforms managing ticketing, sponsorships, manages player contracts, and does all back end accounting for them. I travel all over the world and meet with the teams as I choose to take a lot of these accounts for myself as I love going to games and seeing the operational side of the teams. It was simply an idea I had but through school I had a better handle on how to take an idea to market and the hurdles I would face and how to get over them.
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Yeah, be careful.
The greatest fallacy about college is that you're trained to work. Not so. In fact, you're trained by people who have often only ever held the job of learning and they teach you to learn. They do not teach you to work because they do not often have strong connections to the commercial world.
I've met many, many graduates in my field and the lions share of them have absolutely no virtue, other than that they could learn. They have no experience, very little initiative and nobody told them that they would need to work outside of university learning, to get themselves up to scratch so when they came out, their prospective employers could pick them, instead of the complete and utter useless cnuts that most of them seem, fresh out.
They come to interviews and you give them the slightest angle that isn't within that very narrow perspective of how they learn and they fall over. They fall over with very dumb questions that at the right time, when they were actually doing that subject, they'd have nailed.
I was one of them. In my final year, I had this intense question going on in my head. "Yeah, but how do I get paid for this - how do I bring value?". A question that was never, ever answered during that time. My virtue was that I was interested in programming and had done it over the years myself, so it wasn't hard to immediately get into it, commercially. None of that was really from my degree, that was from me teaching myself to work outside of university, not just learning shit and regurgitating onto a test paper and promptly forgetting all of it.
There are reasons to go to college but you should not go to college with the idea that you're becoming commercially viable when you walk out. You're going there to jump hoops so that your first employer can give you tasks and know that you might not be a complete fuckup. You will cost your employer plenty of money for them to get value from most of you. But they'll take the ones who showed the initiative first, of course.
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That could also have to do with the fact that people with higher IQ fair better getting through the educational system.
If the educational system was gone tomorrow the same people would still do the best.
If you are self motivated most things can be self learnt today through the internet. Problem is people lack self motivation.
This is absolutely true.
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Read the elementary school thread first before you decide to go or not to go to college.
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I am willing to go to college because I have never not wanted to go. Ever since I first started going to school I've been looking forward to going and doing the whole college thing. :) Also the fact that the degree will probably come in handy when I go out to get a job is a nice plus. I can't believe that there's only a few months left before I'm there. I'm working on my application essay using collegeapps (https://www.collegeapps.com/) resource
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Never used my degree. Do you need to go, no, is it beneficial to go, yes.
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I am willing to go to college because I have never not wanted to go. Ever since I first started going to school I've been looking forward to going and doing the whole college thing. :) Also the fact that the degree will probably come in handy when I go out to get a job is a nice plus. I can't believe that there's only a few months left before I'm there.
what field are you getting your bachelors in?
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I am willing to go to college because I have never not wanted to go. Ever since I first started going to school I've been looking forward to going and doing the whole college thing. :) Also the fact that the degree will probably come in handy when I go out to get a job is a nice plus. I can't believe that there's only a few months left before I'm there.
Does your university supply transportation? Short bus, perhaps?
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what field are you getting your bachelors in?
Let’s hope it’s a BA in English with a focus on composition- this fool can hardly write a sentence.
J