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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[6]
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. Side effects not explained The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. Drug companies absolved of any responsibility due to adverse effects It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13]
The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
Treatments like Ivermectin ignored
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation no vaccine trials on Animals prior to roll out and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
Experimental vaccine given alongside a barrage of media propaganda
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. Children who are at almost zero risk from covid being vaccinated
Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. Volunteers administering vaccines The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
Forced Bosters or classed as unvaccinated
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
Vaccines not working as first thought
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LOL not even one of those points would apply.
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Sounds like Al is about to get booster #2.
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LOL not even one of those points would apply.
Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent
Thats two for starters.
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Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent
Thats two for starters.
But..but..people are dying...
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Its an experimental vaccine and people havent been given informed consent
Thats two for starters.
What makes it experimental?
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What makes it experimental?
It hasnt been tested on animals
Its a trial until 2023.
The roll out started at the same time as the trial...
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What makes it experimental?
"Japan places myocarditis warning on vaccines"
"Japan announces public and private sectors cannot discriminate against those refusing experimental injections"
So why don't you ask the Japanese fckng government why they claim they're experimental lol....
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It hasnt been tested on animals
Its a trial until 2023.
The roll out started at the same time as the trial...
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/
https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
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https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/
https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.
so they were used on people the same time they were used on animals?
And I notice you avoided the "trial" part of my post as you are aware that is correct..
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[6]
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. Side effects not explained The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. Drug companies absolved of any responsibility due to adverse effects It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13]
The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
Treatments like Ivermectin ignored
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation no vaccine trials on Animals prior to roll out and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
Experimental vaccine given alongside a barrage of media propaganda
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment. Children who are at almost zero risk from covid being vaccinated
Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. Volunteers administering vaccines The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
Forced Bosters or classed as unvaccinated
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
Vaccines not working as first thought
were you forced to get the vaccine?
I'm assuming your answer is no
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LOL not even one of those points would apply.
So being threatened with the loss of your livelihood over a private medical decision not to take a rushed not-vaccine for a virus that is 99.99% survivable for healthy non-obese people under age 65 that requires signing a waiver to get it doesn't count as "duress" under the definition of this code?:
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; No jab , no job
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were you forced to get the vaccine?
I'm assuming your answer is no
No, but my life will be limited by my decision not to have it
Basic human rights afforded to others
Thats coercion which is a breach of the Nurenberg code
Any medical procedure requires consent, even life saving heart surgery requires a consent form.
You also have the freedom to decline medical treatment under article 8 of the human Rights Act
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Does anyone know if they're working on a covid vaccine that actually works? Had a vaxed employee spread covid to my entire sales staff last week.
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What do you lefty-lib morons not understand about "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)"?
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What do you lefty-lib morons not understand about "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)"?
They think not but instead, only "feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel". People suffer at the whim of idiots like the President and his coWhorts. I know.
FTN.
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While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.
so they were used on people the same time they were used on animals?
And I notice you avoided the "trial" part of my post as you are aware that is correct..
Incorrect. From one of the links you quoted:
https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
While usually regulators require that the industry shows a product is safe in animals before it goes to clinical trials, for COVID-19 vaccines, regulators accepted that preclinical studies could be conducted in some cases in parallel to the first clinical studies to save time considering the urgent need for COVID-19 vaccines.
The animal testing was conducted in parallel with CLINICAL STUDIES, not during consumer rollout, CLINICAL STUDIES. Animal testing for all vaccines on the market is complete.
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Incorrect. From one of the links you quoted:
https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
The animal testing was conducted in parallel with CLINICAL STUDIES, not during consumer rollout, CLINICAL STUDIES. Animal testing for all vaccines on the market is complete.
Study Type : Observational
Estimated Enrollment : 999 participants
Observational Model: Case-Control
Time Perspective: Retrospective
Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Per-manente Southern California
Actual Study Start Date : May 15, 2021
Estimated Primary Completion Date : April 1, 2022
Estimated Study Completion Date : July 30, 2023
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
The vaccine was rolled out in the UK on the 6th December 2020
https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial
The Phase 3 clinical trial was designed to determine if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. This trial began July 27, 2020, and completed enrollment of 46,331 participants in January 2021. On November 18, Pfizer and BioNTech announced that, after conducting the primary efficacy analysis, their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints. On December 2, 2020, the Medicines & Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the U.K. authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use, marking the first Emergency Use Authorization following a worldwide Phase 3 trial of a vaccine to help fight the pandemic. Shortly after on December 11, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use.
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Study Type : Observational
Estimated Enrollment : 999 participants
Observational Model: Case-Control
Time Perspective: Retrospective
Official Title: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 BNT162b2 Vaccine Effectiveness Study - Kaiser Per-manente Southern California
Actual Study Start Date : May 15, 2021
Estimated Primary Completion Date : April 1, 2022
Estimated Study Completion Date : July 30, 2023
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
The vaccine was rolled out in the UK on the 6th December 2020
https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial
The reason the study started after consumer rollout is because it is gauging whether a SECOND ROUND of vaccinations decreases hospitalizations. From the link you posted:
The primary objective of this study is to determine the vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 2-doses of Pfizer's BNT162b2 vaccine against COVID-19-associated hospitalization. In addition, VE of 1 dose and at least one dose will be determined.
In other words, it is testing the efficacy of booster shots.
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You'll get nowhere because neither of you is forming a good faith argument.
"It's wrong because it's coercive."
"Threatening people with bad consequences isn't coercive."
1, Yes it is.
2, We all accept that the use of force by the state is justified in some circumstances.
So:
Is it justified here at all?
If so, how much is justified?
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I read an article today saying that migrants in Europe aren’t being offered the jab because of fears of being sued over the side effects of the jab.
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https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic (https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic)
An antivaxxer mother tried to you use the Nuremburg Code as a defense for not vaccinating their child.
She lost big time...the judge made a fool out of her.
;D ;D ;D
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were you forced to get the vaccine?
I'm assuming your answer is no
Apparently you don't see what's been going on in Australia and NYC
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https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/role-animal-research-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-development
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/10/fact-check-pfizer-moderna-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccines-animal-studies/8262536002/
https://www.efpia.eu/news-events/the-efpia-view/blog-articles/fitting-vaccine-research-into-one-year-were-animals-used/
Maybe you can post up the long term effects of any of these. How about some long term clinical trials? How about that the deaths from these experimental "vaccines" in the last 10 months are damn near 10 fold of any other vaccine in at least the last 10 years and climbing.
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Maybe you can post up the long term effects of any of these. How about some long term clinical trials? How about that the deaths from these experimental "vaccines" in the last 10 months are damn near 10 fold of any other vaccine in at least the last 10 years and climbing.
A parent tried that exact same defense hear for not vaccinating their child.....the judge ruled against them!
https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic (https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic)
Hahaha....antivaxxers lose again!!!!
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A parent tried that exact same defense hear for not vaccinating their child.....the judge ruled against them!
https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic (https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic)
Hahaha....antivaxxers lose again!!!!
Dude (or whatever) I couldn't give two shits what a Marxist activist judge says here let alone there.
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Dude (or whatever) I couldn't give two shits what a Marxist activist judge says here let alone there.
It doesn't matter what YOU think....the judge has the final say.
(https://c.tenor.com/5iXomuvuRQ4AAAAC/drop-the-mic-obama-mic-drop.gif)
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It doesn't matter what YOU think....the judge has the final say.
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Lol…sure. Fuck him
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What makes it experimental?
inquired the test subject
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A parent tried that exact same defense hear for not vaccinating their child.....the judge ruled against them!
https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic (https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic)
Hahaha....antivaxxers lose again!!!!
Judges throw innocent black people in prison all the time.
A court found OJ Simpson innocent of murder.
Are we certain the courts always make the correct decision?
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But..but..people are dying...
People are dying. Most people find that a bit disheartening and concerning. That is unless they have a suicide wish.
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It hasnt been tested on animals
Its a trial until 2023.
The roll out started at the same time as the trial...
Oh my! Stay, stay away from it then. I'm being serious. Our minds are powerful tools. When we believe something is bad, even when it isn't, it could be, if for no other reason than to fulfill our prophecy. Everyone hates to be wrong.
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Judges throw innocent black people in prison all the time.
A court found OJ Simpson innocent of murder.
Are we certain the courts always make the correct decision?
How do you know OJ Simpson was CRIMINALLY responsible for the murder? Did you see him do it? Did main stream media say he was guilty? (you can't trust them). Are you a judge yourself? Are you qualified to say a judge is "wrong".
;)
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How do you know OJ Simpson was CRIMINALLY responsible for the murder? Did you see him do it? Did main stream media say he was guilty? (you can't trust them). Are you a judge yourself? Are you qualified to say a judge is "wrong".
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You're not acting, are you? You truly are this mentally insipid. If there is a God, surely you are a mule among humans.
Think about that, ace. I despise such as you and your kind. Foul beings, incapable of rational thought, wobbling through life like moral weebles. Fuck your noise.
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People are dying. Most people find that a bit disheartening and concerning. That is unless they have a suicide wish.
Suicide wish? Prime, I'm sure there are local playhouses you can get involved with if you are this into dramatics.
People die...problem is not at a higher rate than normal. First "pandemic" where world population grew by many millions.
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You're not acting, are you? You truly are this mentally insipid. If there is a God, surely you are a mule among humans.
Think about that, ace. I despise such as you and your kind. Foul beings, incapable of rational thought, wobbling through life like moral weebles. Fuck your noise.
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How do you know OJ Simpson was CRIMINALLY responsible for the murder? Did you see him do it? Did main stream media say he was guilty? (you can't trust them). Are you a judge yourself? Are you qualified to say a judge is "wrong".
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Now OJ is innocent? Follow the science!
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How do you know OJ Simpson was CRIMINALLY responsible for the murder? Did you see him do it? Did main stream media say he was guilty? (you can't trust them). Are you a judge yourself? Are you qualified to say a judge is "wrong".
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Well said.
I’m glad we can agree that the media influence on society isnt good and it employs a type of brainwashing that is very effective on the simple minded.
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Just got off the phone with Nuremberg. Told him I don't like Hyundais. Guy called me an anti-automobiler.
It's not looking good, folks.
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Now OJ is innocent? Follow the science!
Scientific Journals - Reverse Transcriptase
News Journals - Inverse Bactase
This is the only virus I've seen which reverts back to its' most lethal generations when the $19 per dose experimental compounds are backlogged in freezers spoiling
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It doesn't matter what YOU think....the judge has the final say.
(https://c.tenor.com/5iXomuvuRQ4AAAAC/drop-the-mic-obama-mic-drop.gif)
A judge's job is to interpret the law as written.
You may not care about stacking courts with activist judges, because you don't seem to care about the American Constitution anyway.
By the time you're on your 17th mandated booster, experiencing increasing side effects, and about to lose your job it you don't get your 18th...you will be singing a different tune.
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No, but my life will be limited by my decision not to have it
Basic human rights afforded to others
Thats coercion which is a breach of the Nurenberg code
Any medical procedure requires consent, even life saving heart surgery requires a consent form.
You also have the freedom to decline medical treatment under article 8 of the human Rights Act
how has your life been limited so far by your choice to not get vaccinated
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how has your life been limited so far by your choice to not get vaccinated
so far not at all
Although I dont have what you would call a normal lifestyle
Once vaccine passports come in and its only a matter of time before that happens then my free movement to places I go now will be restricted.
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https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic (https://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-divorce-courts-come-down-hard-on-anti-vaccine-parents-who-deny-covid-19-pandemic)
An antivaxxer mother tried to you use the Nuremburg Code as a defense for not vaccinating their child.
She lost big time...the judge made a fool out of her.
;D ;D ;D
That is not funny you smug wanker. Just cos u have swallowed the official story don't think u will escape unscathed when all is said and done.
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4,893,658 of 4,894,137 Canadians aged 40-49 have survived this pandemic so far.
I'll be fine.
All Getbiggers will be fine. The only unvaccinated Getbigger who has gotten hurt by COVID so far was Van Bilderass, who was [IIRC] ventilated for Swine Flu, and by all means, SHOULD have been vaccinated for COVID, because he was clearly in the at-risk group.
But the only reason any unvaccinated people are dying is because these unvaccinated people are either old as fuck, fat as fuck, or have literally 6+ underlying medical conditions. Or in Van's case, clearly has some difficulty fighting respiratory illnesses.
If people like you stopped telling people like me who have a 99.999% chance of surviving COVID to get a needless vaccine, AND STARTED GIVING THIS MESSAGE TO PEOPLE LIKE VAN BILDERASS WHO WAS ACTUALLY AT RISK, maybe these people would have gotten it / will get it.
Fuck knows why he didn't get the vaccine given he was ventilated for Swine Flu. But again, that's what happens when misinformation is spread.
Look below, OAK - 479 Canadians in my age group have died of COVID...are you seriously suggesting I need this vaccine?
Four days ago, I also exposed myself to my friend who had tested positive for COVID using the rapid antigen test, and the PCR test at the hospital.
I drank out of his cup and everything.
Yet I'm fine.
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That is not funny you smug wanker. Just cos u have swallowed the official story don't think u will escape unscathed when all is said and done.
Exactly.
Legal immunity is a relative thing.
Look what happened to the Jewish Sackler family of Purdue Pharma, that produced Oxycontin.
Once the social tide turns, things get ugly. You'd think the Sackler family would have known that - and what they did was technically legal.
There's no way this scam can continue, as people are getting sicker and sicker with boosters.
IMO, Bill Gates, at age 65, probably knows he is in the last 30 years of his life, and possibly much less than that. I suspect he wants the mRNA technology to be refined so that he has a chance to beat mortality.
That's not a crazy conspiracy theory...but it's a bit of one.
However, it's not a conspiracy theory to say that Bill Gates has been getting 20 to 1 returns for his investments in vaccine investments.
As OneRepMax said, Gates is a snake in the grass.
And as for this legal immunity for Big Pharma - it won't last forever.
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4,893,658 of 4,894,137 Canadians aged 40-49 have survived this pandemic so far.
I'll be fine.
All Getbiggers will be fine. The only unvaccinated Getbigger who has gotten hurt by COVID so far was Van Bilderass, who was [IIRC] ventilated for Swine Flu, and by all means, SHOULD have been vaccinated for COVID, because he was clearly in the at-risk group.
But the only reason any unvaccinated people are dying is because these unvaccinated people are either old as fuck, fat as fuck, or have literally 6+ underlying medical conditions. Or in Van's case, clearly has some difficulty fighting respiratory illnesses.
If people like you stopped telling people like me who have a 99.999% chance of surviving COVID to get a needless vaccine, AND STARTED GIVING THIS MESSAGE TO PEOPLE LIKE VAN BILDERASS WHO WAS ACTUALLY AT RISK, maybe these people would have gotten it.
Fuck knows why he didn't get the vaccine given he was ventilated for Swine Flu. But again, that's what happens when misinform is spread.
Look below, OAK - 479 Canadians in my age group have died of COVID...are you seriously suggesting I need this vaccine?
Four days ago, I also exposed myself to my friend who had tested positive for COVID using the rapid antigen test, and the PCR test at the hospital.
I drank out of his cup and everything.
Yet I'm fine.
Have u noticed the MSM trying to highlight the few deaths of supposed unvaccinated people but all the vaxxed it is brushed under the carpet?
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so far not at all
Although I dont have what you would call a normal lifestyle
Once vaccine passports come in and its only a matter of time before that happens then my free movement to places I go now will be restricted.
that's what I thought
same here
zero impact other than having to wear a mask when going into a store or gym
Are you saying that you don't think countries should have the right to set requirements for non-citizens who want to enter their country
Haven't vaccines for various different things been required in the past and present for international travel?
https://www.passporthealthusa.com/vaccinations/
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Have u noticed the MSM trying to highlight the few deaths of supposed unvaccinated people but all the vaxxed it is brushed under the carpet?
here you go
I found this under the rug
Massachusetts health officials on Tuesday reported more than 20,000 new breakthrough COVID cases over the past week and 70 more deaths.
In the last week, 20,247 new breakthrough cases -- infections in people who have been vaccinated -- were reported, with 353 more vaccinated people hospitalized, Massachusetts Department of Public Health officials said Tuesday. It's a 45% increase in the rate of new breakthrough cases in Massachusetts -- last week saw 13,919 new COVID infections in vaccinated people -- but a decrease in the number of deaths among vaccinated people.
The new report brings the total number of breakthrough cases to 134,565, and the death toll among people with breakthrough infections to 854.
Both figures remain a tiny percentage of the total number of all people who have been vaccinated.
The equivalent of just 0.07% of vaccinated people have been hospitalized with COVID and 2.7% have had confirmed infections. An even smaller percentage has died: 0.02%. The report also doesn't indicate how many of the breakthrough cases are in people with underlying conditions, though it also notes that "may be undercounted due to discrepancies" in records.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/20247-new-breakthrough-cases-in-mass-70-more-deaths-in-vaccinated-people/2600575/
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that's what I thought
same here
zero impact other than having to wear a mask when going into a store or gym
Are you saying that you don't think countries should have the right to set requirements for non-citizens who want to enter their country
Haven't vaccines for various different things been required in the past and present for international travel?
https://www.passporthealthusa.com/vaccinations/
its normaly vaccines that protect as in stop you catching the disease as oppsed to a passport that has a record of injections that dont do what they are supposed to do.
I need a yellow fever jab to go to Africa (I had one) that covered me from catching it when I went, did they tell me to avoid other people when I went to Africa in case I caught it?
Did Africans hide behind masks when I arrived?
This is not about a virus, none of it makes sense from a health point of view
You can take a lateral flow test and be negative but if you havent got a vaccine passport (when they come in) you wont be able to travel.
Yet people with a passport who can still catch and transmit the virus dont need to take a test
Im not a virologist but thats not about health, its about control
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here you go
I found this under the rug
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coronavirus/20247-new-breakthrough-cases-in-mass-70-more-deaths-in-vaccinated-people/2600575/
I love how you suddenly understand what a tiny percentage is.
Maybe there is hope for liberals yet?
30K of 38M Canadians have died of Covid-19.
25K of those 30K were aged 70+.
4K of the remaining 5K had MULTIPLE underlying health conditions.
Over half or the 1K Canadians under age 70 who died who had no health conditions were overweight or obese.
NOW DO THE MATH:
FEWER THAN 500 HEALTHY NON-OBESE CANADIANS UNDER AGE 70 HAVE DIED OF COVID.
Let that sink in.
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its normaly vaccines that protect as in stop you catching the disease as oppsed to a passport that has a record of injections that dont do what they are supposed to do.
I need a yellow fever jab to go to Africa (I had one) that covered me from catching it when I went, did they tell me to avoid other people when I went to Africa in case I caught it?
Did Africans hide behind masks when I arrived?
This is not about a virus, none of it makes sense from a health point of view
You can take a lateral flow test and be negative but if you havent got a vaccine passport (when they come in) you wont be able to travel.
Yet people with a passport who can still catch and transmit the virus dont need to take a test
Im not a virologist but thats not about health, its about control
that's not actually true although it's a common misperception
vaccines help limit the chances of you getting infected and lessen the severity of the illness if infected
that's always been the case
Here's an explanation of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine as an example
On average, people who get the flu shot are between 40% and 60% less likely to catch the virus than unvaccinated individuals. So, although the flu shot may not prevent all cases of influenza, it helps protect you from severe infection and death and can help reduce the spread of the virus in communities. Each year from 2010 to 2020, between 12,000 and 52,000 people in the U.S. died of flu, and between 140,000 and 710,000 were hospitalized, according to the CDC. The CDC says that 80% of children who die from the flu are unvaccinated, though there isn’t data on vaccination status of adults who die from the flu.
https://www.livescience.com/why-you-should-get-flu-shot
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that's not actually true although it's a common misperception
vaccines help limit the chances of you getting infected and lessen the severity of the illness if infected
that's always been the case
Here's an explanation of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine as an example
https://www.livescience.com/why-you-should-get-flu-shot
My point still stands that most vaccines are in the high 90% bracket for stopping you getting a virus/disease
Imagine having 3 polio jabs in 9 months and then catching polio
Im pretty sure you would be asking questions
No one else seems to see this
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I love how you suddenly understand what a tiny percentage is.
Maybe there is hope for liberals yet?
30K of 38M Canadians have died of Covid-19.
25K of those 30K were aged 70+.
4K of the remaining 5K had MULTIPLE underlying health conditions.
Over half or the 1K Canadians under age 70 who died who had no health conditions were overweight or obese.
NOW DO THE MATH:
FEWER THAN 500 HEALTHY NON-OBESE CANADIANS UNDER AGE 70 HAVE DIED OF COVID.
Let that sink in.
I've said many many times on this board that Covid would be a non-issue as long as hospitals were not overwhelmed as they are in many places in the US
Right now it's the unvaccinated that are overwhelming our hospitals and not only is it taking a toll on the people working in hospitals it's also impacting everyone else's ability to get healthcare and most importantly those who need lifesaving healthcare.
It's also costing a shit ton of money to treat these unvaccinated people when they could have just gotten the vaccination for free.
Let that sink in
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-covid-surge-shows-overwhelming-cost-of-being-unvaccinated-america/
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I've said many many times on this board that Covid would be a non-issue as long as hospitals were not overwhelmed as they are in many places in the US
Right now it's the unvaccinated that are overwhelming our hospitals and not only is it taking a toll on the people working in hospitals it's also impacting everyone else's ability to get healthcare and most importantly those who need lifesaving healthcare.
It's also costing a shit ton of money to treat these unvaccinated people when they could have just gotten the vaccination for free.
Let that sink in
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-covid-surge-shows-overwhelming-cost-of-being-unvaccinated-america/
Hospitals are always "overwhelmed" during the winter months.
It would also help them if their staff didnt sit at home for 10 days if they have been in contact with someone with a flu virus
here are some UK newspaper headlines from recent years
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I've said many many times on this board that Covid would be a non-issue as long as hospitals were not overwhelmed as they are in many places in the US
Right now it's the unvaccinated that are overwhelming our hospitals and not only is it taking a toll on the people working in hospitals it's also impacting everyone else's ability to get healthcare and most importantly those who need lifesaving healthcare.
It's also costing a shit ton of money to treat these unvaccinated people when they could have just gotten the vaccination for free.
Let that sink in
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-covid-surge-shows-overwhelming-cost-of-being-unvaccinated-america/
It is a non-issue. This is 100% political. It’s been cold and flu season since September and they can’t tell the difference in testing between the two. Go hide
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My point still stands that most vaccines are in the high 90% bracket for stopping you getting a virus/disease
Imagine having 3 polio jabs in 9 months and then catching polio
Im pretty sure you would be asking questions
No one else seems to see this
And most of the people who have been vaccinated against Covid will not get Covid
And the ones that do get are likely to have a much less severe reaction and won't wind up in the hospital
Keeping you out of the hospital is the bottom line and that's what the vaccine does when compared with those that are unvaccinated.
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that's not actually true although it's a common misperception
vaccines help limit the chances of you getting infected and lessen the severity of the illness if infected
that's always been the case
Here's an explanation of the effectiveness of the flu vaccine as an example
https://www.livescience.com/why-you-should-get-flu-shot
Bro come on a proper vaccine is totally different from this covid gene therapy crap.I know they changed the dictionary definition but even u know that is suspect.
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Absolutely zero reason for this and it’s mostly only in Marxists ran cities
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/30/d-c-s-democrat-mayor-expect-virtual-learning-throughout-the-semester/
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And most of the people who have been vaccinated against Covid will not get Covid
And the ones that do get are likely to have a much less severe reaction and won't wind up in the hospital
Keeping you out of the hospital is the bottom line and that's what the vaccine does when compared with those that are unvaccinated.
they are getting covid on a regular basis, why do you think they are pushing the booster
The booster is exactly the same as the first two they had
Sajid Javid said "we know two isnt enough, but three is"??????"
30 seconds in
90% of people in hospital have had two jabs, just not the booster
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Suicide wish? Prime, I'm sure there are local playhouses you can get involved with if you are this into dramatics.
People die...problem is not at a higher rate than normal. First "pandemic" where world population grew by many millions.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Many things are can be attributed to population growth including improvements in medical science and standard of living, i.e. food and shelter. Rather than look at population growth over the last 2 years, look at how many more people died than in the years prior to 2020. More importantly is that for the past 69 years preceding the onset of the pandemic the death rate consistently fell every year.
Each year from 1950 to 2019 the world death rate fell. In the past two years it has increased by 66 per 1,000 people or gone from 7,579 to 7,645 per 1,000 people. Today there are nearly 8 billion people in the world. This is not taking into account that the death rate was falling prior to the pandemic and likely would have continued to do so.
The world population in 2021 grew at a rate of 1.03%, in 2020 the rate was 1.05% per year, (down from 1.08% in 2019, 1.10% in 2018, and 1.12% in 2017).
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Each year from 1950 to 2019 the world death rate fell. In the past two years it has increased by 66 per 1,000 people or gone from 7,579 to 7,645 per 1,000 people.
Bad math.
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And most of the people who have been vaccinated against Covid will not get Covid
Patently untrue.
EDIT: vaccinated people make up a higher percentage of current COVID cases in Canada than their share in the population.
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Patently untrue.
EDIT: vaccinated people make up a higher percentage of current COVID cases in Canada than their share in the population.
The number that counts is ICU admissions.
here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated. (http://here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated.)
15% of the US is unvaccinated yet the unvaccinated make up 90% of the ICU admissions. That's insane!
That means the unvaccinated are 60 TIMES more likely to end up in the ICU!
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The number that counts is ICU admissions.
here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated. (http://here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated.)
15% of the US is unvaccinated yet the unvaccinated make up 90% of the ICU admissions. That's insane!
That means the unvaccinated are 60 TIMES more likely to end up in the ICU!
Sure it does..lol
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And most of the people who have been vaccinated against Covid will not get Covid
And the ones that do get are likely to have a much less severe reaction and won't wind up in the hospital
Keeping you out of the hospital is the bottom line and that's what the vaccine does when compared with those that are unvaccinated.
Make sure you get all your booster shots, Straw.
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or it could read four fifths of patients are double jabbed...
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Many things are can be attributed to population growth including improvements in medical science and standard of living, i.e. food and shelter. Rather than look at population growth over the last 2 years, look at how many more people died than in the years prior to 2020. More importantly is that for the past 69 years preceding the onset of the pandemic the death rate consistently fell every year.
Each year from 1950 to 2019 the world death rate fell. In the past two years it has increased by 66 per 1,000 people or gone from 7,579 to 7,645 per 1,000 people. Today there are nearly 8 billion people in the world. This is not taking into account that the death rate was falling prior to the pandemic and likely would have continued to do so.
The world population in 2021 grew at a rate of 1.03%, in 2020 the rate was 1.05% per year, (down from 1.08% in 2019, 1.10% in 2018, and 1.12% in 2017).
Hopeless. Spinning for your overlords. SAD
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Matt just destroyed all the lib hopes on this page.
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The number that counts is ICU admissions.
here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated. (http://here was just a single open bed in a sixth-floor intensive care unit at the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic on Thursday morning, where about 90 percent of I.C.U. patients were unvaccinated.)
15% of the US is unvaccinated yet the unvaccinated make up 90% of the ICU admissions. That's insane!
That means the unvaccinated are 60 TIMES more likely to end up in the ICU!
First of all, you have shit information as I am related to an ICU nurse AT the Cleveland Clinic. That is a lie. They are currently at almost 90% total patients in ICU fully vaxxed and about 45% of patients with Covid are UNVAXXED. (With Covid also means likely there for other reasons).
No one has up-to-date ICU vaccination stats-that information is not uploaded to any centralized database. The most recent numbers collected in the US nationally were up to JULY. Those numbers included all the months since Nov 2020 and obviously NO ONE was vaxxed and we didn’t even start the roll out nationally until march or April. So yes, if you take all the ICU patients from Nov 2020 through July 2021 (over half those months admissions were from patients with ZERO vaccine availability) then you have the 90% number. It’s a bullshit stat spouted ad nauseam. A lie repeated so often it seems suspicious.
Current ICU stats for Florida where I am are similar-over 60% hospitalized WITH Covid are fully vaxxed. Despite all you see on the news very few people are hospitalized PRIMARILY FOR COVID.
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First of all, you have shit information as I am related to an ICU nurse AT the Cleveland Clinic. That is a lie. They are currently at almost 90% total patients in ICU fully vaxxed and about 45% of patients with Covid are UNVAXXED. (With Covid also means likely there for other reasons).
No one has up-to-date ICU vaccination stats-that information is not uploaded to any centralized database. The most recent numbers collected in the US nationally were up to JULY. Those numbers included all the months since Nov 2020 and obviously NO ONE was vaxxed and we didn’t even start the roll out nationally until march or April. So yes, if you take all the ICU patients from Nov 2020 through July 2021 (over half those months admissions were from patients with ZERO vaccine availability) then you have the 90% number. It’s a bullshit stat spouted ad nauseam. A lie repeated so often it seems suspicious.
Current ICU stats for Florida where I am are similar-over 60% hospitalized WITH Covid are fully vaxxed. Despite all you see on the news very few people are hospitalized PRIMARILY FOR COVID.
Thanks for this, he just parrots facebook nonsense and provides no citation
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You are comparing apples and oranges.
- Both are fruit
- Both are round
- Both are edible
- Both contain fructose
- Both grow on trees
- Both are human food sources
The list goes on
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Thanks for this, he just parrots facebook nonsense and provides no citation
Cmon- OAK is just a permaTroll. We get them routinely on here. It's the price for free speech!
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First of all, you have shit information as I am related to an ICU nurse AT the Cleveland Clinic. That is a lie. They are currently at almost 90% total patients in ICU fully vaxxed and about 45% of patients with Covid are UNVAXXED. (With Covid also means likely there for other reasons).
No one has up-to-date ICU vaccination stats-that information is not uploaded to any centralized database. The most recent numbers collected in the US nationally were up to JULY. Those numbers included all the months since Nov 2020 and obviously NO ONE was vaxxed and we didn’t even start the roll out nationally until march or April. So yes, if you take all the ICU patients from Nov 2020 through July 2021 (over half those months admissions were from patients with ZERO vaccine availability) then you have the 90% number. It’s a bullshit stat spouted ad nauseam. A lie repeated so often it seems suspicious.
Current ICU stats for Florida where I am are similar-over 60% hospitalized WITH Covid are fully vaxxed. Despite all you see on the news very few people are hospitalized PRIMARILY FOR COVID.
90% of COVID Patients vaccinated and 45% unvaccinated?
Sorry, can you explain this.
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90% of COVID Patients vaccinated and 45% unvaccinated?
Sorry, can you explain this.
they are not all in ICU , fucks sake you are dumb
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Bad math.
Nothing wrong with the math, You have bad reading comprehension. In the last two years the death rate went up. In 2020 it was 7,579 per 1,000 to 7, 645 per 1,000. Therefore 7,645 - 7,579 = 66 (per 1,000 people)
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they are not all in ICU , fucks sake you are dumb
Who’s not all in the ICU?
You’re not being clear either.
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Who’s not all in the ICU?
You’re not being clear either.
You are being perfectly clear.... ;)
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Well said.
I’m glad we can agree that the media influence on society isnt good and it employs a type of brainwashing that is very effective on the simple minded.
Absolutely can agree with this. Much cleverer people than me have already commented on the need to 'feed the beast' that is the 24 hour news cycle. Nobody ever got rich from good news - when was the last time anyone saw the figure for recoveries..?
Just got off the phone with Nuremberg. Told him I don't like Hyundais. Guy called me an anti-automobiler.
It's not looking good, folks.
;D ;D ;D
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they are not all in ICU , fucks sake you are dumb
The moment I saw you had posted this, I knew it would trip him up. "Healthcare professionals" don't need math.
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Hopeless. Spinning for your overlords. SAD
No. I'm confident time will tell us that it is you who is SAD.
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I'm sad. Society is fractured. People are getting thingy.
And silly. I'm supposed to replace termite damaged posts for a morbidly obese couple who stopped paying for termite treatments because it's too expensive. Ever since the subject arose, they won't stop talking about the importance of making good decisions, especially when it comes to health. I'm trying to keep it light but even my inner fonzie starting to grrrr.
The place hasn't been cleaned in over a decade. I bumped back someone else to help these people out ffs. Idk how much more helpful advice from slovenly halfwits I'm in the market for.
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90% of COVID Patients vaccinated and 45% unvaccinated?
Sorry, can you explain this.
90% of ICU patients are vaccinated but only 45% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. Got it!
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90% of ICU patients are vaccinated but only 45% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. Got it!
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99.9% survival rate.
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99.9% survival rate.
Even if this number was correct (big surprise....it's not) it still would represent a LOWER survival rate than ANY other disease in NORTH AMERICA!
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😎😎😎
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Bonus gossip: They're selling this complete POS house due to ruptured nuptials, and the 21yo daughter who keeps staring at me is a strong WNH incel.
And I do this for a living? Sad. everydayislikesunday.jpg come/armageddon/come
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Even if this number was correct (big surprise....it's not) it still would represent a LOWER survival rate than ANY other disease in NORTH AMERICA!
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And the odds of you or me even catching it are a million to one lol.
And on a foot note, Donald Trump who is an overweight man in his 70s who eats McDonald's every day got covid and brushed it off like a mild cold.
Give it up dude, your goose is cooked! Fighting just makes you look worse.
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And the odds of you or me even catching it are a million to one lol.
And on a foot note, Donald Trump who is an overweight man in his 70s who eats McDonald's every day got covid and brushed it off like a mild cold.
Give it up dude, your goose is cooked! Fighting just makes you look worse.
😎😎😎
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Plus we need a live rooster to take the curse off Jose's glove, and no one seems to know what to get Jimmy and Millie for a wedding present. We're dealing with a lot of shit here.
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And the odds of you or me even catching it are a million to one lol.
And on a foot note, Donald Trump who is an overweight man in his 70s who eats McDonald's every day got covid and brushed it off like a mild cold.
Give it up dude, your goose is cooked! Fighting just makes you look worse.
where do you live that the odds are a million to one?
there ~ 350 million people in the US so I guess there's only been 350 cases in the US?
BTW - THE TRAITOR was much sicker than what was told the the public and of course he got the best treatment on planet earth
Oh yeah, since then he's also been vaccinated and boosted
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where do you live that the odds are a million to one?
there ~ 350 million people in the US so I guess there's only been 350 cases in the US?
BTW - THE TRAITOR was much sicker than what was told the the public and of course he got the best treatment on planet earth
Oh yeah, since then he's also been vaccinated and boosted
Haha…too funny!
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where do you live that the odds are a million to one?
there ~ 350 million people in the US so I guess there's only been 350 cases in the US?
BTW - THE TRAITOR was much sicker than what was told the the public and of course he got the best treatment on planet earth
Oh yeah, since then he's also been vaccinated and boosted
It's just an expression (as it's virtually impossible to get an accurate number on chances of contracting it, so we'll just call it extremely thin. You have a better chance of banging Taylor Swift than you do getting covid, and you have a better chance of banging a Kardashian than you do of dying from it.
And clearly Trump derangement syndrome is real.
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It's just an expression (as it's virtually impossible to get an accurate number on chances of contracting it, so we'll just call it extremely thin. You have a better chance of banging Taylor Swift than you do getting covid, and you have a better chance of banging a Kardashian than you do of dying from it.
And clearly Trump derangement syndrome is real.
You're dumber than a box of rocks is also just an expression
You're saying Trump is deranged for telling the truth about the vaccine ?
The stupidity of Trumptards is a bottomless pit
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Nothing wrong with the math, You have bad reading comprehension. In the last two years the death rate went up. In 2020 it was 7,579 per 1,000 to 7, 645 per 1,000. Therefore 7,645 - 7,579 = 66 (per 1,000 people)
So, currently 7,645 people die based 1,000 population?
Is there a new liberal math course out that I am not familiar with?
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Btw my spotify and youtube freeze & buffer all the time with antivax stuff. Fourth freeze over 2 days on JRE Malone right now. Had a youtube vid refuse to play past 10 seconds every time for over a week.
Not my imagination. Never freezes with other stuff. You guys too or just here in Australia?
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It's like the time the Kardashians kidnapped Captain Picard and made him say how many lights he saw.
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Nothing wrong with the math, You have bad reading comprehension. In the last two years the death rate went up. In 2020 it was 7,579 per 1,000 to 7, 645 per 1,000. Therefore 7,645 - 7,579 = 66 (per 1,000 people)
Death rate has been going up more than 2 years. The 2021 and 2022 rates are obviously considered estimates.
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90% of COVID Patients vaccinated and 45% unvaccinated?
Sorry, can you explain this.
Sure I can explain. You are under the false impression that the ICU is full of Covid patients.
Less than 1 in 10 ICU patients are admitted FOR COVID. Most are in the ICU for other reasons. 90% of TOTAL ICU patients are fully vaxxed. Of the small percentage of the patients that are being TREATED for COVID, about 55% are fully vaxxed leaving 45% of those unvaxxed.
When you open the hospital EHR and look at the census, each patient is marked vaxxed/unvaxxed. This is why most of the “anti-vaxxers” are on the healthcare field. Adventist and HCA hospitals (two of the largest chains of hospitals) dropped their mandate. Even though the holdouts were a “small percentage” that group comprised some of the most valuable and highly educated specialists in the building. As in irreplaceable-so although the low paid sanitation and food staff were all jabbed the same could not be said for radiology department, NICU nurses, Respiratory techs, and many MDs that would and could walk and find gainful employment elsewhere. Most “vaxxed” healthcare workers were either vaxxed against their will or were lucky enough to have a coworker squirt it in the wastebasket like most of the NBA players.
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Sure I can explain. You are under the false impression that the ICU is full of Covid patients.
Less than 1 in 10 ICU patients are admitted FOR COVID. Most are in the ICU for other reasons. 90% of TOTAL ICU patients are fully vaxxed. Of the small percentage of the patients that are being TREATED for COVID, about 55% are fully vaxxed leaving 45% of those unvaxxed.
When you open the hospital EHR and look at the census, each patient is marked vaxxed/unvaxxed. This is why most of the “anti-vaxxers” are on the healthcare field. Adventist and HCA hospitals (two of the largest chains of hospitals) dropped their mandate. Even though the holdouts were a “small percentage” that group comprised some of the most valuable and highly educated specialists in the building. As in irreplaceable-so although the low paid sanitation and food staff were all jabbed the same could not be said for radiology department, NICU nurses, Respiratory techs, and many MDs that would and could walk and find gainful employment elsewhere. Most “vaxxed” healthcare workers were either vaxxed against their will or were lucky enough to have a coworker squirt it in the wastebasket like most of the NBA players.
Wow.
People tolerated this for two shots, but no chance they will tolerate it for successive boosters - not when only 20-30% of scared people are pushing this hysteria.
My friend from Strongsville, Ohio was delerious after his second shot. Does my Strongsville friend - seen below in a screenshot taken from a video call when he was taking a shit - look like he wants to take 27 boosters???
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You're dumber than a box of rocks is also just an expression
You're saying Trump is deranged for telling the truth about the vaccine ?
The stupidity of Trumptards is a bottomless pit
What are the long term effects of taking this experimental vaxxine?
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Sure I can explain. You are under the false impression that the ICU is full of Covid patients.
Less than 1 in 10 ICU patients are admitted FOR COVID. Most are in the ICU for other reasons. 90% of TOTAL ICU patients are fully vaxxed. Of the small percentage of the patients that are being TREATED for COVID, about 55% are fully vaxxed leaving 45% of those unvaxxed.
When you open the hospital EHR and look at the census, each patient is marked vaxxed/unvaxxed. This is why most of the “anti-vaxxers” are on the healthcare field. Adventist and HCA hospitals (two of the largest chains of hospitals) dropped their mandate. Even though the holdouts were a “small percentage” that group comprised some of the most valuable and highly educated specialists in the building. As in irreplaceable-so although the low paid sanitation and food staff were all jabbed the same could not be said for radiology department, NICU nurses, Respiratory techs, and many MDs that would and could walk and find gainful employment elsewhere. Most “vaxxed” healthcare workers were either vaxxed against their will or were lucky enough to have a coworker squirt it in the wastebasket like most of the NBA players.
First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.
Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.
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First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.
Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.
Since you know 10% is not a small number, you should’ve quoted the exact number of staff to ICU beds. But you have no idea what that number is.
How the hell do you get four times more likely if Unvaccinated? If 35% of the population is unvaccinated, and they were four times more likely to end up in the ICU, then you could take 4×35% equals 140% of patients would have to be unvaccinated. Obviously that’s fucking impossible.
If 65% of the population is fully Vaxxed, and 55% of the ICU Covid patients are fully Vaxxed, that means the vaccine has a relatively small effect on overall hospitalization. Roughly about 15% effectiveness utilizing the same standard we would put on rating the annual flu shots.
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First of all 10% of the ICU is not a small number, especially since the ICU was basically at full capacity BEFORE COVID.
Let's assume that your stats are 100% accurate (I'm skeptical). Your stats demonstrate that the unvaccinated are 4 times more likely to end up in the ICU. That's CRAZY.
Do the math please:
There are 1,265 hospitals in Canada [see data below].
There have been 18,701 ICU admissions spread among all Canadian hospitals in total, from the start of this pandemic [see data below].
We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/
Now...as I said, do the math:
We've had 14.8 ICU admissions on average, per Canadian hospital [18,701÷1,265] - spread over 710 days of this pandemic.
That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.
710÷(18,701÷1,265)
^ This is simply BEDMAS here.
OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???
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Do the math please:
There are 1,265 hospitals in Canada [see data below].
There have been 18,701 ICU admissions spread among all Canadian hospitals in total, from the start of this pandemic [see data below].
We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/
Now...as I said, do the math:
We've had 14.8 ICU admissions on average, per Canadian hospital [18,701÷1,265] - spread over 710 days of this pandemic.
That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.
710÷(18,701÷1,265)
^ This is simply BEDMAS here.
OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???
In the screencap you posted, I saw that it said "hospital establishments". I looked into it a little further, and as I suspected, that number includes a lot of facilities that aren't equipped to handle acute care. According to the statista infographic, there are 371 "hospital establishments" in ontario, but OHA says that only about 1/5th of those are eligible to perform the type of critical care Covid ICU patients would need. On top of that, Canadian hospitals were already experiencing a massive, extremely well-publicized bed crunch prior to the pandemic. In that OHA response, they address the exact number of available beds and the exact number of patients from covid at that time (which was 23% of all available beds. ) So, even assuming your other numbers are accurate (which I haven't bothered checking) , excluding 80% of "hospital establishments" makes a big change, especially when you keep in mind that treating covid is very resource intensive. Covid patients have longer than average stays and most medical facilities are still practicing some form of distancing/isolation while treating patients.
https://www.oha.com/Bulletins/OHA%20Fact%20Sheet%20on%20Hospital%20Capacity%20and%20Projections%20Jan%2015%202021.pdf
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In the screencap you posted, I saw that it said "hospital establishments". I looked into it a little further, and as I suspected, that number includes a lot of facilities that aren't equipped to handle acute care. According to the statista infographic, there are 371 "hospital establishments" in ontario, but OHA says that only about 1/5th of those are eligible to perform the type of critical care Covid ICU patients would need.
I was wondering about that, but my data analysis is only as good as my data/sources.
One source said Canada has 708 public hospitals and an additional seven private ones.
Luckily, the numbers are so ABSURDLY LOW, rhat even with a TENFOLD increase in deaths, this pandemic would BARELY be discernable to rhe average person, even WITH YOUR ADJUSTMENTS [which I will address later today if anyone can tell me how many hospitals are in Canada.
I've yet to meet one person who even notices we are in a "pandemic" after TWO YEARS OF THIS.
This is literally INSANE.
Maybe my friend Jake, who lost his grandfather...but he was 78 YEARS OLD WHEN HE DIED, AND A LIFETIME SMOKER.
On top of that, Canadian hospitals were already experiencing a massive, extremely well-publicized bed crunch prior to the pandemic. In that OHA response, they address the exact number of available beds and the exact number of patients from covid at that time (which was 23% of all available beds. ) So, even assuming your other numbers are accurate (which I haven't bothered checking) , excluding 80% of "hospital establishments" makes a big change, especially when you keep in mind that treating covid is very resource intensive. Covid patients have longer than average stays and most medical facilities are still practicing some form of distancing/isolation while treating patients.
That's more proof of what a cluster-fuck this is:
Canada has had TWO YEARS to address the hospital capacity issues.
TWO YEARS.
Canada has spent $900 billion dollars during this pandemic - more money than the entire history of debt accumulated IN ALL OF CANADA'S HISTORY PRIOR TO THIS HYPED PANDEMIC.
Furthermore:
Do you know how many ICU beds the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre has?
22.
22!
TWENTY TWO!
For a city that services over 120,000 Canadians including a disproportionate numbers of Indigenous people, who disproportionately use hospital beds [while it gets blamed on the White people helping them], WE HAVE 22 BEDS.
DO YOU THINK MAYBE AFTER TWO ****ING YEARS, AND $900 BILLION SPENT THAT MAYBE - JUST MAYBE - WE COULD HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY BY FOUR ****ING BEDS [THE NUMBER WE WERE "OVERWHELMED" BY LAST YEAR]??
WE SPENT OVER $25,000 PER CANADIAN, WHICH IS OVER $2,500,000,000 FOR A CITY THIS SIZE, AND...WHAT...WE COULDN'T HAVE ADDED FOUR ****ING BEDS, AND THE STAFF NECESSARY TO MAN THEM???
And off-topic only SLIGHTLY - why did Canada import 410,000 new citizens this year, with over 70% of them being refugees, and others in economic need, if our hospitals are so "overwhelmed"?
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Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.
Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].
Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.
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Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.
Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].
Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.
Glad you're thinking this through and sticking with the math, even under Al's 1/5th figure it's still only one extra ICU patient per hospital every 10 days.
I'd think they could up their ICU bedspace somewhat if necessary. 22 beds in a hospital seems far from max capacity.
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Gotta love all the people with NO medical training whatsoever that think they know how an ICU is run.
Human stupidity at its finest.
LOL
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Al Doggity - those are good points you brought up, and I think even you were surprised at how much fear porn this pandemic ultimately is - because not once did ANYONE stop and discuss the numbers i repeatedly share, direct from government primary sources.
Just nonsense about "cases", and lies about hospitals being overwhelmed [which at the VERY LEAST is inexcusable given the money spent].
Hopefully later today, I can attempt to correct the error in my analysis that you brought up.
The early numbers were discussed to death on here in Feb/March/April 2020
You're only getting to it 2 years later after the fact. That's why you'll forever remain a potato.
Meanwhile some of us had all this figured out 2 years ago and were making predictions like this
If covid19 does indeed become a seasonal virus then the first year it will take out large numbers of people who had comorbidites and had only a year or 2 left at best anyway. So those cancer and heart disease deaths etc just come earlier and in a bigger cluster because of covid19. This is what they need to slow down/spread out and what all the drama should be about. I agree looking at the monthly deaths does hold merit, but only to make sure things aren't going to shit!
By next year most of the general population should have developed a natural immunity to the virus and it won't spread anything like it is now. Any deaths from it will probably be far lower than seasonal flu. They will also be pimping the vaccination hard to everyone even though it will largely be irrelevant by then. (invest in pharma)
51 deaths or 51,000 deaths a month. It won't matter this time next year.
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Politicians and Unions have us hostage right now. The healthcare workers union, representing nurses and others, has already demanded pay increases and benefits, and the healthcare union Presidents, who make $250,000/year+ despite not having anything to do with treating patients, are essentially politicians. Just like the teachers unions, the whole thing with kids being vaccinated is to negotiate the salary and benefits increases. Everyone wants this free covid money.
The politicians want the covid money for all their constituents. Then the pharma industry wants their blank checks and contracts signed. They are splitting up how much free money goes where, and this will determine how serious covid is. When everyone gets what they want, through blackmail and threats of strike or politicians threatening to not vote for bills, covid will magically become less serious. Sadly these unions often give an actual teacher or nurse just a fraction of what is negotiated, as money goes to "administrative" salaries and positions. It's all a game. Government does not represent the people anymore. Covid has exposed this.
They learned after 9-11 that nothing pays more than a national crisis. Defense contractors and politicians LOVED 9-11. Now politicians love covid. Regardless of how you view the severity of covid, this system has to change.
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Glad you're thinking this through and sticking with the math, even under Al's 1/5th figure it's still only one extra ICU patient per hospital every 10 days.
I'd think they could up their ICU bedspace somewhat if necessary. 22 beds in a hospital seems far from max capacity.
ICU is not the only section of the hospital. Most patients, even in moderately serious cases of covid, are not admitted for long term intensive care. I looked on their website and they have 395 acute care beds. They'd have to get more ICU space from somewhere. That is why looking at ICU numbers is not a great way to get a scope of covid's toll. Not only does focusing on the ICU number ignore some of the biggest pain points that show up elsewhere, it also underplays how big a number it actually is. 9000 patients suffering from an illness per years sounds miniscule, but 9000 icu admissions a year for one cause is HUGE. This ICU admissions breakdown is from 2008 and 2014 data:
https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/ICU_Report_EN.pdf
In that breakdown, Covid's 9k yearly admissions would still make it the second most frequent reason for ICU admissions. That in itself is huge, but those 9k admissions are not the only effect covid has on Canada's health system. Like I said, it also has a massive impact on acute and general care. The nature of the virus affects the logistics of treatment . As for the number of admissions only being 1 more patient every 10 days, just no. Cases don't occur perfectly spaced out chronologically and geographically. There are surges and clusters, which affect how care sites can treat patients.
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ICU is not the only section of the hospital. Most patients, even in moderately serious cases of covid, are not admitted for long term intensive care. I looked on their website and they have 395 acute care beds. They'd have to get more ICU space from somewhere. That is why looking at ICU numbers is not a great way to get a scope of covid's toll. Not only does focusing on the ICU number ignore some of the biggest pain points that show up elsewhere, it also underplays how big a number it actually is. 9000 patients suffering from an illness per years sounds miniscule, but 9000 icu admissions a year for one cause is HUGE. This ICU admissions breakdown is from 2008 and 2014 data:
https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/ICU_Report_EN.pdf
In that breakdown, Covid's 9k yearly admissions would still make it the second most frequent reason for ICU admissions. That in itself is huge, but those 9k admissions are not the only effect covid has on Canada's health system. Like I said, it also has a massive impact on acute and general care. The nature of the virus affects the logistics of treatment . As for the number of admissions only being 1 more patient every 10 days, just no. Cases don't occur perfectly spaced out chronologically and geographically. There are surges and clusters, which affect how care sites can treat patients.
I get that there are clusters surges, etc. it's an average. When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you. I'm just talking the math. I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals.
Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada. If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital. Some may have more, but then others would have less, The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't.
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I get that there are clusters surges, etc. it's an average. When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you. I'm just talking the math. I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals.
Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada. If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital. Some may have more, but then others would have less, The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't.
Can you link where you got this data from? 543 ICU patients in all of Canada and just under 3000 hospitalizations in all of Canada does not sound right.
If that graph is giving a stat exclusively about covid patients, those hospitals still have to treat patients suffering from other things.
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Can you link where you got this data from? 543 ICU patients in all of Canada and just under 3000 hospitalizations in all of Canada does not sound right.
If that graph is giving a stat exclusively about covid patients, those hospitals still have to treat patients suffering from other things.
Sure, no problem, I posted the link on another thread (the main China virus Cvoid thread) and just copied the picture here. It's from Googling "hospitalizations Covid Canada" which brings up the graph.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hospitalizations+covid+canda&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS912&oq=hospitalizations+covid+canda&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13j0i8i13i30l5j0i390l3.7627j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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The data also seems to jibe with the hospitalization date from here, which i think is Canada's official site, but will defer to Matt
: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#a9
(scroll all the way down)
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Gotta love all the people with NO medical training whatsoever that think they know how an ICU is run.
Human stupidity at its finest.
LOL
About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).
This is Clown World.
It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.
A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.
NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.
MEDIA=VIRUS
The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.
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I get that there are clusters surges, etc. it's an average. When the media cherry picks surge numbers and ignores the other side they are trying to scare you. I'm just talking the math. I'll grant you and many others here likely know way more than I do about hospitals.
Right now the 7 day rolling average shows 543 ICU patients in all of Canada. If 200 hospitals have ICU units then that averages out to less than 3 per hospital. Some may have more, but then others would have less, The media will throw out a single chronically overwhelmed hospital in a poor area having a shortage as exemplar of the whole system, which it isn't.
Interesting page showing hospital and ICU capacity in Southern California. Some places busy, somoe not. Hmmm
https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/
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Interesting page showing hospital and ICU capacity in Southern California. Some places busy, somoe not. Hmmm
https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/
Probably overwhelmed in areas with large Hispanic populations, where Hispanics waltz in to Emergency Rooms with headaches.
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Sure, no problem, I posted the link on another thread (the main China virus Cvoid thread) and just copied the picture here. It's from Googling "hospitalizations Covid Canada" which brings up the graph.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hospitalizations+covid+canda&rlz=1CATTSD_enUS912&oq=hospitalizations+covid+canda&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13j0i8i13i30l5j0i390l3.7627j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus, because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.
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About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).
This is Clown World.
It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.
A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.
NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.
MEDIA=VIRUS
The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.
This would be funny if it wasn't so completely outrageous, and criminal on a global scale.
Fortress - do you remember when any of this happened?:
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Probably overwhelmed in areas with large Hispanic populations, where Hispanics waltz in to Emergency Rooms with headaches.
No hospital sends anyone to an icu for a headache.
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No hospital sends anyone to an icu for a headache.
No, but where I am, Indigenous people with headaches fill up the ER. They disproportionately use healthcare resources. I suspect the average Indigenous person has twice as much spent on them as the average White person. That's typical though - they are given more government money for everything.
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About a week ago I spent eight hours in the ICU (not as a patient) of a major urban Canadian hospital. The nurses all had their masks under their noses and were chit-chatting, sitting about … and easily a third of the rooms were empty. I strolled about, glancing at the med charts outside each occupied “bay”, and only saw what-you’d-expect situations (heart, overdose, etc.).
This is Clown World.
It’s absolutely terrifying how so many STILL cannot comprehend how badly we’ve been played.
A headline in one of today’s major online pubs reads (I paraphrase) “Experts Warn of Impending Collapse of the Health Care System”. The accompanying photo shows paramedics wheeling an occupied stretcher into a hospital.
NO ONE WITH COVID/OMNICRON IS BEING ESCORTED VIA AMBULANCE TO HOSPITAL, ANYWHERE.
MEDIA=VIRUS
The corruption, evil and deception is just on a whole other level.
Hey Fortress - this got scrubbed from YouTube, and took me a while to dig up. I hope you like it:
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/video?clipId=2134450
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No, but where I am, Indigenous people with headaches fill up the ER. They disproportionately use healthcare resources. I suspect the average Indigenous person has twice as much spent on them as the average White person. That's typical though - they are given more government money for everything.
OK. They must be the flipside of the "empty" ICUs.
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OK. They must be the flipside of the "empty" ICUs.
Our ICU in Thunder Bay WAS overwhelmed, but:
- We only have 22 fucking beds, and didn't add ONE NEW FUCKING BED THIS ENTIRE TIME.
- We went up to 26-27 in use at our peak.
- Indigenous people were probably over 15 of those 26-27.
Oh...and we spent $2.5 billion in Thunder Bay on this pandemic.
But not one new bed for our overwhelmed ICU. ::)
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Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus, because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.
I didn't think there was any dispute that it was Covid ICU patients we were talking about. It's a ridiculously low number, especially compared to the hysteria. 543 in all of Canada!
There is no hospitalization or ICU crisis from Covid patients, period.
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Our ICU in Thunder Bay WAS overwhelmed, but:
- We only have 22 fucking beds, and didn't add ONE NEW FUCKING BED THIS ENTIRE TIME.
- We went up to 26-27 in use at our peak.
- Indigenous people were probably over 15 of those 26-27.
Oh...and we spent $2.5 billion in Thunder Bay on this pandemic.
But not one new bed for our overwhelmed ICU. ::)
Not true, but where do you suggest they get the extra ICU beds from?
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/where-did-all-those-extra-icu-beds-go
So where did those beds go, wonder readers. We had all these extra beds in the spring, why don’t we have them now?
Simply put, we had those beds in the spring because surgeries and other treatments had been cancelled across the board as the province prepared for the onslaught of COVID-19.
As that same news release on the extra beds stated, the hospital bed occupancy rate dropped from 96.2% before procedures were cancelled to 69.1%. This is the only way the province could increase capacity.
Some steps have been taken, such as the field hospital set up in Burlington, to deal with hospital overflow, but generally speaking, to get extra beds and the staff to run them, other vital health procedures must be cancelled.
Hospital officials say that capacity can be increased to about 2,000 beds across the province but after that, things become stretched and the level of care required for ICU patients is not attainable.
Where do you suggest they get the space and staff for more ICU beds? Thin air? Alternate dimension? Just build some new hospitals and hope the media keeps buying into the fake pandemic to get around to using them?
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I didn't think there was any dispute that it was Covid ICU patients we were talking about. It's a ridiculously low number, especially compared to the hysteria. 543 in all of Canada!
There is no hospitalization or ICU crisis from Covid patients, period.
That's more than 25% of all current ICU patients. You do realize there are many other reasons people need to be treated in the ICU?
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That's more than 25% of all current ICU patients. You do realize there are many other reasons people need to be treated in the ICU?
I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed. Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22. That's a 20% increase. It's a self created staffing crisis also.
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I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed. Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22. That's a 20% increase. It's a self created staffing crisis also.
Right above you, I linked to an article explaining why more ICU beds can't be added easily and why there are staffing shortages. Before that I posted why icus try to operate below capacity and you can google "icu below capacity" for dozens of more reputable links explaining the same thing. It's not self-created. It's like saying there's not a housing bubble because you know a guy in Ohio who has really low rent.
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I've posted links showing there are clearly enough beds available in ICUs, just some shitty areas overwhelmed. Matt says the ICU capacity where he lives was increased from 22 to 27 beds, but is now back down to 22. That's a 20% increase. It's a self created staffing crisis also.
Yeah, pretty much.
There have 22 ICU beds at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre.
At the PEAK of this pandemic, there was a need for 26-27 beds.
So 4-5 beds were in the hallways. ::)
Because heaven forbid that after Canada has spent $900 BILLION on this pandemic so far, that we would add ONE ****ING BED OR ANYTHING.
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You can't make this up.
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Yeah, pretty much.
There have 22 ICU beds at the Thunder Bay Regional Health Science Services Centre.
At the PEAK of this pandemic, there was a need for 26-27 beds.
So 4-5 beds were in the hallways. ::)
Because heaven forbid that after Canada has spent $900 BILLION on this pandemic so far, that we would add ONE ****ING BED OR ANYTHING.
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You can't make this up.
Once again- how would you create more icu beds?
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This is Clown World.
Speaking of Clown World - I only had to go through 53 pages of your past posts over exactly the past 30 minutes to find it, but I dug up this gem:
So, yesterday I’m at Sunrise Records, and I’m paying using my iPhone. It requires face recognition, so I pull down my paper mask (aren’t allowed entry without). The cashier girl immediately takes a few steps back.
I’m thinking, Is this real life?
She’s roughly 20 years old and very obviously a lesbian. Nice girl. But is this the average person in these times? Entirely committed to the pLandemic joke?
The store is in a mall, and spouting every few minutes from its announcement system is crap about wearing masks, etc., and ending with, “We’re all in this together!”
Nope. We’re definitely not.
And as far as gym masking, the past few months I’ve been lifting completely bald-faced. Signs ask members to wear a mask upon entering, but not a chance.
Heck, in my condo there are postings stating a temporary by-law mandates one to don a mask in all common areas of the building.
Just not gonna happen.
;D ;D ;D
And I've been up all night again - good night, folks [good day]! Back day awaits me when I wake up.
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Do the math please:
We are currently on Day 710 of the pandemic in Canada, based on the start of the first case on 2020-01-25 [see data below].
REF: https://globalnews.ca/news/6627505/coronavirus-covid-canada-timeline/
Now...as I said, do the math:
That works out to one ICU admission per Canadian hospital every 48 days.
710÷(18,701÷1,265)
^ This is simply BEDMAS here.
OAK - are you suggesting that our hospitals can't handle ONE additional ICU ADMISSION PER HOSPITAL EVERY SEVEN WEEKS? HOW ON EARTH WOULD THAT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS?? HOW WOULD ANYONE EVEN NOTICE THAT???
Just be wary of the mathematician who drowned crossing a river with an average depth of 1M……
This is seasonal and We have massive parabolic peaks. 90% of what happens, does so in 10% of the time cycle which causes a crunch.
That isn’t to detract from your broader point as we do see hospitals sitting largely idle for 9 months of the year and then those last remaining 3 months are under pressure which raises the obvious question:
It’s the 3rd season of covid (original, delta, omi). The global economy has pumped in trillions of dollars yet seemingly we have done zero regarding addressing hospital capacity. This suggests the broader govt is not concerned about the impact of covid but more concerned with the financial market.
As Flex has posted, we have been played. There is more than enough data now to see this.
Nobody batted an eyelid over how Quantitative Easing (currency debasement) requires zero govt approval yet your stimmy money gets held up for months……..
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Fortress, do you remember when any of this happened?
I only remember the Lying Media Machine pushing images such as this one.
In reality, this never happened, anywhere, during the Scamdemic.
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Hey Fortress - this got scrubbed from YouTube, and took me a while to dig up. I hope you like it:
https://www.cp24.com/mobile/video?clipId=2134450
What a twerp wussbag.
“Ooh! S-c-a-r-y! VARIANT Ooh!”
Clown. World.
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It’s the 3rd season of covid (original, delta, omi). The global economy has pumped in trillions of dollars yet seemingly we have done zero regarding addressing hospital capacity.
And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?
This is not a trick question. There have been dozens of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.
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And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?
This is not a trick question. There have been dozens of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.
Why would you need to increase capacity? There's plenty of room.
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And, once again, I have to ask, since bed usage and hospital capacity seem to be one of the major factors in determining that the pandemic is a hoax, HOW WOULD YOU INCREASE CAPACITY?
This is not a trick question. There have been dozens of articles written that addressed the multitude of reasons why ICUs can't be added easily, but people in this thread keep implying that it's proof of a conspiracy that it hasn't happened.
I never said it was a hoax. I’m just following the data available which tells me hospital capacity is not a priority therefore the govt must not be all that concerned. I’ll outline very simply below why.
In Oz hospital spend annual increase:
2020 over 2019 = 1.8% increase (post pandemic)
2019 over 2018 = 3.1% increase (pre pandemic)
5yr yoy trend = 2.7%
10yr yoy trend = 3.4%
The 1.8% increase in 2020 over 2019 is approx $3B.
Our QE program was $100B in 2020 which is currency debasement over and above our usual budget spend.
It’s right there in black and white. My govt gave 100B to banks and 3B to hospitals so why would anybody then conclude the govt is concerned about health? Particularly when that 3B increase is less than the 5yr and 10yr yoy change trend prior to the pandemic.
The points are:
There is no increased capacity because there is no increased budget
There is no increased budget because there is no need to increase capacity (this is my point)
Govt printed 100B and gave 3% to hospitals and 97% to banks (in a sense to make my point)
Does that help Clarify my position?
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Why would you need to increase capacity? There's plenty of room.
There's not. You seemed offended when I told you surges and valleys and location played a factor in how icu beds fill up, but your only point seems to be that if every bed in the country isn't filled with covid patients then there's no issue. Even Mayday, who is ostensibly disagreeing with me, pointed out how foolish it is not to factor that in. I've posted multiple links and explanations of why that is something that logistically is unlikely to happen. You posted a link yourself showing the current covid numbers in ICU beds- it's over 25% which means it's the number 1 reason people are in ICU beds by a significant margin. You keep ignoring the fact that hospitals still have to treat other patients with other problems. 500 patients out of less than 1800 beds is not miniscule, it is a legit health crisis.
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I never said it was a hoax. I’m just following the data available which tells me hospital capacity is not a priority therefore the govt must not be all that concerned. I’ll outline very simply below why.
In Oz hospital spend annual increase:
2020 over 2019 = 1.8% increase (post pandemic)
2019 over 2018 = 3.1% increase (pre pandemic)
5yr yoy trend = 2.7%
10yr yoy trend = 3.4%
The 1.8% increase in 2020 over 2019 is approx $3B.
Our QE program was $100B in 2020 which is currency debasement over and above our usual budget spend.
It’s right there in black and white. My govt gave 100B to banks and 3B to hospitals so why would anybody then conclude the govt is concerned about health? Particularly when that 3B increase is less than the 5yr and 10yr yoy change trend prior to the pandemic.
The points are:
There is no increased capacity because there is no increased budget
There is no increased budget because there is no need to increase capacity (this is my point)
Govt printed 100B and gave 3% to hospitals and 97% to banks (in a sense to make my point)
Does that help Clarify my position?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-health-pandemic.html
This article was published last month, so presumably these are the most recent numbers available. It says that the most recent AIWH report only details THE FIRST FEW MONTHS of the pandemic. Are you using numbers from somewhere else?
Spending on health goods and services grew by 1.8 percent to $202.5 billion during the 2019–20 financial year, which included the first months of the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia, according to a new report by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW).
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There's not. You seemed offended when I told you surges and valleys and location played a factor in how icu beds fill up, but your only point seems to be that if every bed in the country isn't filled with covid patients then there's no issue. Even Mayday, who is ostensibly disagreeing with me, pointed out how foolish it is not to factor that in. I've posted multiple links and explanations of why that is something that logistically is unlikely to happen. You posted a link yourself showing the current covid numbers in ICU beds- it's over 25% which means it's the number 1 reason people are in ICU beds by a significant margin. You keep ignoring the fact that hospitals still have to treat other patients with other problems. 500 patients out of less than 1800 beds is not miniscule, it is a legit health crisis.
I keep pointing out that it is a very small number of Covid patients that need ICU capacity. I posted this pic showing there's plenty of capacity. Quit misstating what I'm saying, like "every" bed needs to be filled or there's "no issue". Look at this picture, there's tons of capacity in the SoCal region still. I think you're being duped by cherry picking, but I don't take offense, nor do I harbor any ill will to you. You seem like a reasonable person and reasonably discuss things and I have always appreciated your posts.
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-health-pandemic.html
This article was published last month, so presumably these are the most recent numbers available. It says that the most recent AIWH report only details THE FIRST FEW MONTHS of the pandemic. Are you using numbers from somewhere else?
I used different sources due to gaps. The govt has budgets.
Original covid is in 2020 spend and 2021 spend
Delta is in 2021 and 2022 spend
Omi is in 2022 spend
Govt decreased spending for FY22 for health as the pandemic got worse.
Using one source EOFY health spend
2022 spend 90.3 (-4%)
2021 spend 93.8 (+8%)
2020 spend 87 (+8% some pandemic)
2019 spend 80.2 (pre pandemic)
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Not true, but where do you suggest they get the extra ICU beds from?
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/where-did-all-those-extra-icu-beds-go
Where do you suggest they get the space and staff for more ICU beds? Thin air? Alternate dimension? Just build some new hospitals and hope the media keeps buying into the fake pandemic to get around to using them?
Uhh...MAYBE FROM THE $900 BILLION WE SPENT DURING THIS PANDEMIC?? ::)
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Once again- how would you create more icu beds?
Double doctor and nurse salaries during the pandemic, and make them tax-free for all hours spent working in isolated COVID wards.
Healthcare is managed by provinces. In Ontario, the salary for Registered Nurses maxes out at $47 an hour.
So offer $95 an hour for any nurse who wants to work in COVID wards.
And wouldn't you know it - suddenly you'd find the capacity, Al Doggity. ::)
Doctors: In 2020, there were 92,173 physicians in Canada, representing 242 physicians per 100,000 population. Dollars: Total gross clinical payments to physicians reached $29.4 billion in 2019–2020, a 4.3% increase over the previous year.
https://www.cihi.ca/en/physicians-in-canada
Nursing supply
In 2019, there were 439,975 regulated nurses with an active licence. The distribution of nurses by licence type is as follows:
300,669 registered nurses (RNs) — a growth of 1.1% from 2018.
6,159 nurse practitioners (NPs) — a growth of 8.1% from 2018, the largest increase of all the nursing designations. In fact, NPs have had the highest growth rate of all nurses every year over the past 5 years (2015-2019).
127,097 licensed practical nurses and registered practical nurses (LPNs and RPNs) — a growth of 3.6% from 2018 (4,497 more than the previous year, representing the greatest growth by number among all nursing designations)
6,050 registered psychiatric nurses— a growth of 0.4% from 2018.
https://www.cna-aiic.ca/en/nursing/regulated-nursing-in-canada/nursing-statistics
Since nurses receive hourly wages in Canada, as opposed to a salary, this inventive would work well.
Al Doggity:
Do you know how much debt Canada acquired from its inception in 1867 through to the start of this pandemic?
Less than we spent during this pandemic!
By my last OFFICIAL check [two months ago], Canada had spent $820 BILLION!!!
We could have doubled the pay for ALL healthcare workers and spent less money!
Do I think we could find enough people to man FIVE extra beds, Al Doggity?
Uhh...YES!!!
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By my last OFFICIAL check [two months ago], Canada had spent $820 BILLION!!!
We could have doubled the pay for ALL healthcare workers and spent less money!
Do I think we could find enough people to man FIVE extra beds, Al Doggity?
Uhh...YES!!!
Exactly.
The western world is going full retard with currency debasement to give to the banks and yet it’s pretty much business as usual funding to hospitals. Govts perfectly happy to have staff shortages at hospitals during a pandemic.
We either have the most diabolical management of a virus in all of history or it’s not what we are told it is.
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Double doctor and nurse salaries during the pandemic, and make them tax-free for all hours spent working in isolated COVID wards.
Healthcare is managed by provinces. In Ontario, the salary for Registered Nurses maxes out at $47 an hour.
So offer $95 an hour for any nurse who wants to work in COVID wards.
And wouldn't you know it - suddenly you'd find the capacity, Al Doggity. ::)
https://www.cihi.ca/en/physicians-in-canada
https://www.cna-aiic.ca/en/nursing/regulated-nursing-in-canada/nursing-statistics
Since nurses receive hourly wages in Canada, as opposed to a salary, this inventive would work well.
I'm surprised to see you admit that staffing shortages play a big part in those beds being unfilled and there actually is a situation that can be described as "during the pandemic". It seems like you were arguing that there were no patients to go into those beds throughout most of this thread. And I agree with you that higher salaries for nurses would go a long way in retaining staff. But there was already a medical staffing shortage in canada prior to the pandemic and nurses are needed everywhere. Many traveling nurses are already earning twice the rate you say would solve the problem:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-31/there-s-a-market-for-8k-a-week-nurses-in-u-s-as-delta-spreads
So where are these nurses needed to expand ICUs supposed to come from?
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I keep pointing out that it is a very small number of Covid patients that need ICU capacity. I posted this pic showing there's plenty of capacity. Quit misstating what I'm saying, like "every" bed needs to be filled or there's "no issue". Look at this picture, there's tons of capacity in the SoCal region still. I think you're being duped by cherry picking, but I don't take offense, nor do I harbor any ill will to you.
Here's an article explaining how ICU calculations are made. It's a formula used to calculate how many patients a hospital can safely handle. It also goes into how and why California's hospital system has been veering away from long hospital stays and steering patients to microfacilities for decades:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/
The shortage of nurses and doctors to take care of all the incoming COVID-19 patients is an even bigger issue than the limited ICU beds, experts told me. Doctors can warehouse patients temporarily in a hospital tent or an empty building, but patients still need someone to come hook up their ventilators and monitor their vital signs.
When some California hospitals closed, their health workers lost their jobs. Add to that a meager number of trainee primary-care doctors and a high cost of living, and “we just don’t have enough doctors, nurses, allied health professionals to take care of everybody here,” Kristof Stremikis, an expert on the state’s health-care system at the California Health Care Foundation, told me. “That’s something that was an issue that we were dealing with before, and that we’ll be dealing with after.”
Also, here's the link you posted earlier that accompanied that pic. Go back and look at it. Many of those hospitals that have less than 60% capacity don't have any ICU beds at all. One of them I clicked on actually advises you to contact another hospital if you think you're suffering from signs of covid.
https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/
You seem like a reasonable person and reasonably discuss things and I have always appreciated your posts.
LOL Appreciate it, but you might be alone in thinking that haha. Maybe you're confusing me with that other poster, Hal Froggity?
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I used different sources due to gaps. The govt has budgets.
Original covid is in 2020 spend and 2021 spend
Delta is in 2021 and 2022 spend
Omi is in 2022 spend
Govt decreased spending for FY22 for health as the pandemic got worse.
Using one source EOFY health spend
2022 spend 90.3 (-4%)
2021 spend 93.8 (+8%)
2020 spend 87 (+8% some pandemic)
2019 spend 80.2 (pre pandemic)
Can you post a link to your source? Nothing I'm able to find lines up with this, so I can't really respond.
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Here's an article explaining how ICU calculations are made. It's a formula used to calculate how many patients a hospital can safely handle. It also goes into how and why California's hospital system has been veering away from long hospital stays and steering patients to microfacilities for decades:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/01/why-california-hospitals-overwhelmed-covid/617637/
Also, here's the link you posted earlier that accompanied that pic. Go back and look at it. Many of those hospitals that have less than 60% capacity don't have any ICU beds at all. One of them I clicked on actually advises you to contact another hospital if you think you're suffering from signs of covid.
https://data.thecalifornian.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/california/06/los-angeles-county/06037/
LOL Appreciate it, but you might be alone in thinking that haha. Maybe you're confusing me with that other poster, Hal Froggity?
This doesn't address my point at all. I don't care how it's calculated, there's plenty with plenty of room.
Sure, some are full and some are not. You've drunk the kool aid. Nothing is being overwhelmed except the same old shit that's always "understaffed" and "underfunded". Why not bitch to Gavin Newsom to open some of those other places up to the poor?
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This doesn't address my point at all. I don't care how it's calculated, there's plenty with plenty of room.
Sure, some are full and some are not. You've drunk the kool aid. Nothing is being overwhelmed except the same old shit that's always "understaffed" and "underfunded". Why not bitch to Gavin Newsom to open some of those other places up to the poor?
What point of yours doesn't it address? That article goes into excruciating detail about how CA hospitals are staffed, why they've historically been staffed that way, why it's been effective for the most part, why they can't treat covid patients when the ICU reaches beyond a certain capacity. So, what point of yours doesn't it address?
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Can you post a link to your source? Nothing I'm able to find lines up with this, so I can't really respond.
It’ll come up in a google search the same way your other data did.
I took the time to find it to respond, if you can’t, it’s ok don’t sweat it.
I get what you are saying but you have 2 autists pointing out the obvious flaw. The reality is the cause is we are not providing much additional monetary funding to hospitals after nearly 2yrs of pandemic vs how bad they tell us it is.
Therefore things like lack of ICUs, lack of beds, lack of staff are symptoms all stemming from the cause which is lack of funding. The govt cares infinitely more about the banks which is visible by the currency debasement.
You don’t see the govt initiating a plan to QE 120B/mth into the hospital system do you…….
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What point of yours doesn't it address? That article goes into excruciating detail about how CA hospitals are staffed, why they've historically been staffed that way, why it's been effective for the most part, why they can't treat covid patients when the ICU reaches beyond a certain capacity. So, what point of yours doesn't it address?
So now you're admitting to empty beds?
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It’ll come up in a google search the same way your other data did.
I took the time to find it to respond, if you can’t, it’s ok don’t sweat it.
It didn't come up the same way my other data did and you refusing to post it pretty much confirms to me that it doesn't exist.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that money was supposed to do.
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So now you're admitting to empty beds?
??? I have REPEATEDLY said that ICUs try to operate under capacity in case of unforeseen emergencies and specifically with covid, since they have to take greater distancing measures and use more resources.
One of my first responses to you:
Ok, so it's like I said- the graph is showing the current number of Covid patients, not the total number of ICU patients. That makes a difference. That means that other patients are taking up other beds. ICUs try to operate significantly under capacity , specifically when it comes to something like an ongoing communicable virus, because there's no telling when an unexpected emergency may occur.
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Maybe they shouldn't be firing nurses and doctors for refusing their experimental treatment ???
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Maybe they shouldn't be firing nurses and doctors for refusing their experimental treatment ???
I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. ???
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??? I have REPEATEDLY said that ICUs try to operate under capacity in case of unforeseen emergencies and specifically with covid, since they have to take greater distancing measures and use more resources.
One of my first responses to you:
So that's a "YES". Plenty of beds and ICU space available. Ran across this link today, it lists staffed ICU beds and hospital beds. You can filter for any state too. There's 20% overall ICU capacity and only 27% of ICU beds are COVID people so stop the "full" and "every bed in the country" nonsense: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization
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I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. ???
Yeah it's crazy how those same staff members could work in those facilities and be exposed for months on end, shift after shift BEFORE the poisonous peddled treatment the government is forcing on us and nobody seemed to care. ::)
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I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. ???
Vaxxed and unvaxxed both spreading it like Covid Marys now. Besides won't they be masked up and therefore protecting everyone anyway?
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So that's a "YES". Plenty of beds and ICU space available. Ran across this link today, it lists staffed ICU beds and hospital beds. You can filter for any state too. There's 20% overall ICU capacity and only 27% of ICU beds are COVID people so stop the "full" and "every bed in the country" nonsense: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization
Saying there are empty beds is not the same thing as saying there are "plenty of available beds". And again, 27% is a massive percentage for a single cause. I've said this about 3 or 4 times in this thread and i don't think you've addressed it. Do you understand how big of a health crisis it is when something that didn't even exist 3 years ago now takes up more than a quarter of all icu beds.
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Yeah it's crazy how those same staff members could work in those facilities and be exposed for months on end, shift after shift BEFORE the poisonous peddled treatment the government is forcing on us and nobody seemed to care. ::)
No one cared? Because here in New York there was city-wide applause for months at 7pm for some reason. People deified "front-line workers" for some reason. ???
2 people in recent pages are arguing that the massive amounts of money issued by governments was supposed to be funneled into the healthcare systems instead of remembering that it was actually meant as a temporary stopgap to prop up the economy... under the assumption that people would see how serious things were and eventually act responsibly. No, vaccinated people are not spreading and using hospital resources at the same rate as unvaxxed.
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No one cared? Because here in New York there was city-wide applause for months at 7pm for some reason. People deified "front-line workers" for some reason. ???
2 people in recent pages are arguing that the massive amounts of money issued by governments was supposed to be funneled into the healthcare systems instead of remembering that it was actually meant as a temporary stopgap to prop up the economy... under the assumption that people would see how serious things were and eventually act responsibly. No, vaccinated people are not spreading and using hospital resources at the same rate as unvaxxed.
Those same people applauded in NY for months were vilified and lost their jobs for refusing to work in the same exact environment they had endured for months on end BEFORE the poison was being forced on them. If the government hadn't overreached their abuse of power, the country wouldn't have shut down and the economy wouldn't have needed a huge influx of inflation.
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It didn't come up the same way my other data did and you refusing to post it pretty much confirms to me that it doesn't exist.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that money was supposed to do.
Like I said, don’t sweat it. I don’t spend time debating with people who won’t put in effort so issa gunna be ok mate.
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Those same people applauded in NY for months were vilified and lost their jobs for refusing to work in the same exact environment they had endured for months on end BEFORE the poison was being forced on them. If the government hadn't overreached their abuse of power, the country wouldn't have shut down and the economy wouldn't have needed a huge influx of inflation.
They were applauded for working in an unsafe environment. They were derided for failing to help maintain a safe environment. Events were already shutting down before the government stepped in. Nba playoffs were cancelled, my job had already issued indefinite telecommuting guidelines before NYC declared emergency.
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Like I said, don’t sweat it. I don’t spend time debating with people who won’t put in effort so issa gunna be ok mate.
No one's sweating it. It just doesn't exist. Posting stats you referenced on a message board isn't a tall or unreasonable order.
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Saying there are empty beds is not the same thing as saying there are "plenty of available beds". And again, 27% is a massive percentage for a single cause. I've said this about 3 or 4 times in this thread and i don't think you've addressed it. Do you understand how big of a health crisis it is when something that didn't even exist 3 years ago now takes up more than a quarter of all icu beds.
What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times? Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50? What?
20% capacity of staffed beds is plenty. This is NOT filling up ICU beds. And they can easily add another 20% or more surge capacity if they need to. They did it last winter and do it all the time. Matt showed this (22 beds increased to 27 then back down to 22)
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They were applauded for working in an unsafe environment. They were derided for failing to help maintain a safe environment. Events were already shutting down before the government stepped in. Nba playoffs were cancelled, my job had already issued indefinite telecommuting guidelines before NYC declared emergency.
Claiming that taking the governments poison is maintaining a "safe environment" is false, if you can get the rona, spread the rona and die from the rona all while fully loaded with the experimental treatment, it's not a safe environment, it's no different than before their poison.
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there is no talking to tards... particularly 'vaxtards'.
people cant b bothered to actually use their mind and break free from establishment brainwashing – they don't have that power, so they bow down to b spoon fed damnation like the indoctrinated, media saturated lemmings that they r.
so goes the satanic clown world.
once altered... there is no coming back.
Just Say No.
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What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times? Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50? What?
20% capacity of staffed beds is plenty. This is NOT filling up ICU beds. And they can easily add another 20% or more surge capacity if they need to. They did it last winter and do it all the time. Matt showed this (22 beds increased to 27 then back down to 22)
Look at the numbers
81146 total beds / 6162 total hospitals=13 beds per hospital
66441 total occupied beds/ 6162 hospitals=11 patients in each ICU
3.5 covid cases of 11 patients at each hospital
At every hospital in the state.
Are you really trying to argue these stats wouldnt concern any hospital administrator?
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Claiming that taking the governments poison is maintaining a "safe environment" is false, if you can get the rona, spread the rona and die from the rona all while fully loaded with the experimental treatment, it's not a safe environment, it's no different than before their poison.
It is statistically accurate, especially for a medical environment. There are side effects to every medical procedure and medication. You can die from getting a tooth pulled. Medical error is one of the biggest causes of death and it is medical personnel's responsibility to limit risk, which the vaccine does. It is statistically undeniable that creates a safer environment.
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there is no talking to tards... particularly 'vaxtards'.
Just Say No.
Vaxtards? Meanwhile, your whole schtick seems to be "DON'T GET JABBED OR JESUS WILL BE MAD" ::) Respectfully, shut the fuck up.
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Vaxtards? Respectfully, shut the fuck up.
lol... didn't mean to ruffle ur feathers, ace.
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lol... didn't mean to ruffle ur feathers, ace.
Don't worry, you didn't. I've seen your dumb ass mark of the beast vaccine posts in other threads and just wanted to take the first opportunity that presented itself to point out the irony of you implying anyone was retarded. Cheers! :-*
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Don't worry, you didn't. I've seen your dumb ass mark of the beast vaccine posts in other threads and just wanted to take the first opportunity that presented itself to point out the irony of you implying anyone was retarded. Cheers! :-*
enjoy 'opportunity' while u can.
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Look at the numbers
81146 total beds / 6162 total hospitals=13 beds per hospital
66441 total occupied beds/ 6162 hospitals=11 patients in each ICU
3.5 covid cases of 11 patients at each hospital
At every hospital in the state.
Are you really trying to argue these stats wouldnt concern any hospital administrator?
20% open staffed beds. What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times? Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50? What?
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When did we all decide that having a cold is unacceptable? We used to hate the asshole that would come to work coughing and sniffling because we didn't want to catch his cold.' But it wasn't the end of the world. And the cold commercials on tv? The sniffling. sneezing, so you can rest medicine? If omicron turns out to be just another cold, which the evidence suggests, then it's over. Mostly sick people die from getting a cold. So we're right back where we were before covid. Tough couple years, but shouldn't it be over now? What's with the masks and vaccines and shit at this point? It's catching a cold now. Doesn't everyone remember a bad cold in your life? Coughing up flem? Hocking a green loogie? Covid is now a cold. Enough. Exercise, eat healthy to maintain a strong immune system, and keep a distance from assholes who go to work sick. Maybe report them. But fucking relax.
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2 people in recent pages are arguing that the massive amounts of money issued by governments was supposed to be funneled into the healthcare systems instead of remembering that it was actually meant as a temporary stopgap to prop up the economy... under the assumption that people would see how serious things were and eventually act responsibly. No, vaccinated people are not spreading and using hospital resources at the same rate as unvaxxed.
Take your helmet off and stop licking windows.
Govt and central banks are prioritising the monetary system. Hospital spend to manage the pandemic is non-existent in comparison.
Yo hey everybody we have a pandemic. I’m now going to give my banker friends trillions of dollars, we will send everything to record highs and we will make record billions in profit. I’ll give the hospital system which was already underfunded, an extra 10% so it will still be underfunded….. nothing to see here…..
It’s that simple and went right over your head.
Show us this 400%+ budget spend on hospitals in 2020 over 2019 you seem to think occurred.
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I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. ???
Thank you for admitting that COVID tests, masks, and all other non-vaccine interventions to prevent the spread of COVID don't work.
It's a good thing I never wear a mask!
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Vaxxed and unvaxxed both spreading it like Covid Marys now. Besides won't they be masked up and therefore protecting everyone anyway?
Shhh...Al Doggity doesn't understand that.
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Saying there are empty beds is not the same thing as saying there are "plenty of available beds". And again, 27% is a massive percentage for a single cause. I've said this about 3 or 4 times in this thread and i don't think you've addressed it. Do you understand how big of a health crisis it is when something that didn't even exist 3 years ago now takes up more than a quarter of all icu beds.
Yeah, and in Canada we spent more on this "single cause" THAN THE ENTIRE ACCUMULATED DEBT FROM CANADA'S INCEPTION IN 1867 THROUGH TO 2019. SO WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T WE ADD ONE FUCKING BED IN ALL OF CANADA DURING THIS TIME???
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NHS doctor tells Health Secretary he won't get jabbed. Also the look and silence from the nurses tells you everything.
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It is statistically accurate, especially for a medical environment. There are side effects to every medical procedure and medication. You can die from getting a tooth pulled. Medical error is one of the biggest causes of death and it is medical personnel's responsibility to limit risk, which the vaccine does. It is statistically undeniable that creates a safer environment.
Can you post the before and after statistics of medical workers that did and did not receive the poison? We could then simply compare the number of cases in the medical field workers and see if they have changed since the government started forcing people to lose their job or take their treatment.
Besides your post doesn't really address what I said, not talking about side effects, talking about spreading the manmade virus around, whether poisoned by the government or not, you can still get it, spread it and die with it. I won't even start on the side effects of the poison, especially the long term ones we don't know about.
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20% open staffed beds. What spare capacity do they normally have during non-Covid times? Do they run at 80%, 70, 60, 50? What?
I know you hate formulas and articles that don't address what you're talking about, but busy ICUs regularly operated at a 90% capacity prior to the pandemic... with a 1:1 nurse/patient ratio, determined by available staff. Today, most ICUs are operating between 80-90%, with between a 1:2 and 1:4 patient ratio. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE.
Take your helmet off and stop licking windows.
Govt and central banks are prioritising the monetary system. Hospital spend to manage the pandemic is non-existent in comparison.
I'm not sweating it, bro. I know you're not into exerting yourself too much with these posts, so I hope the effort you had to put in to making this post didn't cause you to sweat, either. Cheers!
Yeah, and in Canada we spent more on this "single cause" THAN THE ENTIRE ACCUMULATED DEBT FROM CANADA'S INCEPTION IN 1867 THROUGH TO 2019. SO WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T WE ADD ONE FUCKING BED IN ALL OF CANADA DURING THIS TIME???
Meanwhile, your only suggestion on how this would have been achieved was to offer a pool of workers that don't exist less than the other hospitals that are competing for them. I still can't tell if you're arguing that there are no patients to put in these ICUs or the government is irresponsible in not conjuring up more accomadations for them.
Can you post the before and after statistics of medical workers that did and did not receive the poison? We could then simply compare the number of cases in the medical field workers and see if they have changed since the government started forcing people to lose their job or take their treatment.
I will do that when you post the statistics that compelled you to refer to the vaccine as "poison" in every post you've made on the last two pages.
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I know you hate formulas and articles that don't address what you're talking about, but busy ICUs regularly operated at a 90% capacity prior to the pandemic... with a 1:1 nurse/patient ratio, determined by available staff. Today, most ICUs are operating between 80-90%, with between a 1:2 and 1:4 patient ratio. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE.
I'm not sweating it, bro. I know you're not into exerting yourself too much with these posts, so I hope the effort you had to put in to making this post didn't cause you to sweat, either. Cheers!
Meanwhile, your only suggestion on how this would have been achieved was to offer a pool of workers that don't exist less than the other hospitals that are competing for them. I still can't tell if you're arguing that there are no patients to put in these ICUs or the government is irresponsible in not conjuring up more accomadations for them.
I will do that when you post the statistics that compelled you to refer to the vaccine as "poison" in every post you've made on the last two pages.
37, 000 deaths in Eurpoe so far and its only just beginning, the longer term problems will start shortly
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Al Dog making stuff up in this thread
https://www.ocregister.com/2022/01/07/orange-county-ers-struggle-to-keep-up-as-covid-9-cases-continue-spiking/
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37, 000 deaths in Eurpoe so far and its only just beginning, the longer term problems will start shortly
Eurpoe? Where's that?
😆😆😆
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Al Dog making stuff up in this thread
https://www.ocregister.com/2022/01/07/orange-county-ers-struggle-to-keep-up-as-covid-9-cases-continue-spiking/
what did i make up?
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37, 000 deaths in Eurpoe so far and its only just beginning, the longer term problems will start shortly
Even if these stats are correct (I doubt they are). That equates to a 99.995% survival rate!
What are you sacred of? Are you a baby?
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Even if these stats are correct (I doubt they are). That equates to a 99.995% survival rate!
What are you sacred of? Are you a baby?
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JOAKs math is as piss poor and Matt Cs ;D
You've incorrectly assumed that everyone in Europe has been vaccinated.
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JOAKs math is as piss poor and Matt Cs ;D
You've incorrectly assumed that everyone in Europe has been vaccinated.
My math is PERFECT. (as always).
Just for fun lets see your calculation.
When you realize I'm correct I'm willing to delete this post....if you apologize.
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My math is PERFECT. (as always).
Just for fun lets see your calculation.
When you realize I'm correct I'm willing to delete this post....if you apologize.
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I've already told you where you went wrong and that's precisely why you chose to avoid addressing it.
JOAKs math is as piss poor and Matt Cs ;D
You've incorrectly assumed that everyone in Europe has been vaccinated.
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I've already told you where you went wrong and that's precisely why you chose to avoid addressing it.
Post your numbers.
I’ll give you a few hours.
If I receive an apology I won’t embarrass you (again).
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Post your numbers.
I’ll give you a few hours.
If I receive an apology I won’t embarrass you (again).
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Again avoiding the issue at hand.
Typical JOAK, trying to avoid addressing something he pulled out of his ass thinking no one would notice
JOAKs math is as piss poor and Matt Cs ;D
You've incorrectly assumed that everyone in Europe has been vaccinated.
Address this point JOAK
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I will do that when you post the statistics that compelled you to refer to the vaccine as "poison" in every post you've made on the last two pages.
I'll do that when you can tell us why you keep referring to the poison as a "vaccine"
vaccine
[vakˈsēn]
NOUN
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
immunity
[iˈmyo͞onədē]
NOUN
the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.
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I'm definately a leaner towards the Republican side, but then again, I hate politics.
All I know is that my Grandmother, and my Father literally died from it. And literally multiple members of my family, have been affected. I've had late 20 something's, and early 30 something's be hospitalized.
I'm just happy that your families are safe. Covid hit my family hard. So all of you that are saying it's nothing, it stings a bit. You usually don't get hospital stays in your 20's and 30's for the flu.
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Again avoiding the issue at hand.
Typical JOAK, trying to avoid addressing something he pulled out of his ass thinking no one would notice
Address this point JOAK
Vaccine Survival Rate = (1-37,000 (number of vaccine deaths according to josift)/ 757,292,941 (number of TOTAL COVID-19 vaccine doses administered)) X 100% = 99.995%
The number of vaccinated people is TOTALLY irrelevant here.
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Vaccine Survival Rate = (1-37,000 (number of vaccine deaths according to josift)/ 757,292,941 (number of TOTAL COVID-19 vaccine doses administered)) X 100% = 99.995%
The number of vaccinated people is TOTALLY irrelevant here.
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Firstly joswift spoke about vaccine deaths, not vaccine incidents resulting in deaths. So your wrong using total vaccines administered.
Secondly joswift mentioned Europe and you've used vaccinated numbers in the EU. So you're wrong again
Total vaccine doses administered in Europe right now is 1,124,838,491
https://covidvax.live/continent/europe
People vaccinated in Europe 492,635,193
https://covidvax.live/continent/europe
Strong fail again JOAK
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Firstly joswift spoke about vaccine deaths, not vaccine incidents resulting in deaths. So your wrong using total vaccines administered.
Secondly joswift mentioned Europe and you've used vaccinated numbers in the EU. So you're wrong again
Total vaccine doses administered in Europe right now is 1,124,838,491
https://covidvax.live/continent/europe
People vaccinated in Europe 492,635,193
https://covidvax.live/continent/europe
Strong fail again JOAK
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Your math was wrong like I said. I pointed it not in one, but 3 ways in which it's wrong.
You tried wriggling out of it and failed miserably.
You didn't just lose an argument. You failed horribly to make a correct one because you don't know how to pick out the correct data set
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Your math was wrong like I said. I pointed it not in one, but 3 ways in which it's wrong.
You tried wriggling out of it and failed miserably.
You didn't just lose an argument. You failed horribly to make a correct one because you don't know how to pick out the correct data set
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What kinda idiot doesn't know the difference between a continent (Europe) and a Union (EU) and then claims they won an argument?
That's right. YOU
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Meanwhile, your only suggestion on how this would have been achieved was to offer a pool of workers that don't exist less than the other hospitals that are competing for them. I still can't tell if you're arguing that there are no patients to put in these ICUs or the government is irresponsible in not conjuring up more accomadations for them.
First off, I would normally consider it ABSURD to suggest doubling the salaries of anyone...this isn't Hollywood.
However, as of my last check in November, Canada had spent $820 BILLION on this pandemic.
Al Doggity - do you remember the bailout of 2007-2008? The USA spent $870 billion to bail out the banks.
But the $820 billion figure I have is for CANADA!
WE ARE NOT THE USA, Al Doggity! Debt that high is literally unheard of, and Canada has not spent that much money in its entire history before that!
Furthermore, did you know that [according to Rex Murphy of the National Post], Canada is borrowing $500 MILLION DAILY during this pandemic?
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So what I am proposing is that since we needed - from your count, what - 27% total ICU capacity just for COVID?
Is that about right?
So out of 100 beds today, 27 are for COVID, and 73 is everything else?
27/73 = 37%
So our normal usage is 73, and we're adding 37% of that [27], due to COVID strain?
That's obviously a huge increase due to one cause, as you said.
And we're talking ICU...right?
So the question is:
How much extra staffing could we shore up if we literally DOUBLED salaries of doctors and nurses?
Just out of curiosity, I've passed this idea around to various people...and the answer I'm getting is: yes, most would work more if they were paid DOUBLE the salary.
For perspective, the Registered Nurse salary in Ontario maxes out at $47 an hour.
So we're talking $95 an hour here, tax-free.
I am completely confident we would get doctors and nurses working much more, under this circumstance.
You make it sound like literally DOUBLING salaries [closer to triple, given it is tax-free] wouldn't do anything.
Instead, were going to do what? Close the entire economy, destroying an economy that's already tanking?
And what about that new TRILLION DOLLARS in debt that Canada has?
No big deal? No cost to that?
We're absolutely going to pay The Piper for this one...
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Lol @ "The Nuremberg Code" You're basically saying to your government "B-b-but you promised!"
Newsflash. They don't give a shit. Stop expecting promises to matter. The mask of benevolence is off. The good government isn't going to swoop in and rescue you from the bad government. "The Nuremberg Code" isn't going to save you while you kick back and watch TV. You're going to have to shoulder the burden. If you believe in something then stand for it and earn it. Get fired from your job. Get banned from the shop. If you expect someone else to do all the suffering while you stay comfy then you don't deserve to be rescued.
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Anyone ever notice that when Oak gets crushed he posts some meme about how he's winning? I think he's retarded. Now I feel bad.
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Anyone ever notice that when Oak gets crushed he posts some meme about how he's winning? I think he's retarded. Now I feel bad.
Yep, normally the Jim Carrey one.
I feel sorry for him too.
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Anyone ever notice that when Oak gets crushed he posts some meme about how he's winning? I think he's retarded. Now I feel bad.
In your DREAMS….antivaxxer.
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Most of jab injuries and deaths are not reported, it is downplayed in the name of "common good". In other words, guinea pigs have no rights to sue the manufacturer or the government for anything related to the jab.
Meanwhile, experts in all sorts of scientific and medical field are warning of such rampant use of an experimental drug called "the vaccine", which has a cult like groups, followers promoting and propagating it, ranging from doctors, politicians, athletes, to the last of the jabbed folks a.k.a. guinea pigs.
Meanwhile, the effect that the political decisions being pulled have on life of the common people and the economy is mildly put, devastating.
All of this panic and fear mongering for a disease with more than 99 percent survival rate is a clear sign that something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
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Anyone ever notice that when Oak gets crushed he posts some meme about how he's winning? I think he's retarded. Now I feel bad.
I think its joon
long term member has posted more in the last couple of months than the last few years
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I think its joon
long term member has posted more in the last couple of months than the last few years
Hmm...
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I hear ya. It's crazy that medical facilities overrun with infected patients would take reasonable steps to limit how infectious the staff treating them are. ???
What a retarded thing to say. You must be a boomer.
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Glad you're thinking this through and sticking with the math, even under Al's 1/5th figure it's still only one extra ICU patient per hospital every 10 days.
I'd think they could up their ICU bedspace somewhat if necessary. 22 beds in a hospital seems far from max capacity.
A couple of years ago when I spent a day in ICU at Legacy Meridian Park hospital, my room was huge and crowded with a lot
of equipment leaving no room for any additional beds. Something like the room in the photo below. There is a higher ratio of caregivers to patients in the ICU. One nurse may only care for two or three patients as opposed to five or six in a standard hospital area.
(http://media.heartlandtv.com/images/Hospital+ICU+bed.jpg)
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A couple of years ago when I spent a day in ICU at Legacy Meridian Park hospital, my room was huge and crowded with a lot
of equipment leaving no room for any additional beds. Something like the room in the photo below. There is a higher ratio of caregivers to patients in the ICU. One nurse may only care for two or three patients as opposed to five or six in a standard hospital area.
(http://media.heartlandtv.com/images/Hospital+ICU+bed.jpg)
It's already been established that they 20% open beds staffed and have surge capacity after that. For Cripes sake they've spent tens of billions and had years of prep. The problem is firing people who were perfectly fine to work for 2 years until the vaxxine scolds decided it was more important to get vaxxed than service patients. Now they're being made to look like fools because their own triple vaxxed staffs are all getting it.
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I am completely confident we would get doctors and nurses working much more, under this circumstance
You make it sound like literally DOUBLING salaries [closer to triple, given it is tax-free] wouldn't do anything.
Instead, were going to do what? Close the entire economy, destroying an economy that's already tanking?
And what about that new TRILLION DOLLARS in debt that Canada has?
No big deal? No cost to that?
We're absolutely going to pay The Piper for this one...
Matt, if your point in the original post I responded to was that money was not spent very effectively, I wouldn't have bothered responding to you. What I responded to was your suggestion that covid was practically a non-issue based on what I considered some very sloppy formulations.
I never said that offering higher salaries would have no impact. What I said is that it would have limited impact because the people needed to fill those jobs would be fielding equally competitive offers from everywhere else.
Even then, even among workers who were influenced by the higher salaries, there is only so much it could do. I work for one of the largest tech companies that's not a part of FAANG. We literally have weekly updates on how to deal with the worker exodus we're experiencing right now. These are well-paid positions, but the top reasons people are leaving are burn out and crypto and half of the people leaving for crypto are doing so because of burnout. And this is going on all throughout the sectors I'm in. I'm not actively searching for a new position, but I get inquiries via linkedin at least 3 times a week. I say all this to say money will only go so far in countering burn out.
First off, I would normally consider it ABSURD to suggest doubling the salaries of anyone...this isn't Hollywood.
Right, and you likely wouldn't have suggested this or even thought it was a good or realistic idea at the start of the pandemic. But hindsight has changed your perspective. Nowhere in this thread or any other thread have I said that any government has spent wisely in regards to covid, but the focus of the spending then was not what you are saying you prioritize now.
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What a retarded thing to say. You must be a boomer.
Millenial, actually. 80s baby, but I know one thing for sure. Anybody who uses any variation of ok boomer as an insult doesn't have any opinions worth caring about.
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It's already been established that they 20% open beds staffed and have surge capacity after that. For Cripes sake they've spent tens of billions and had years of prep. The problem is firing people who were perfectly fine to work for 2 years until the vaxxine scolds decided it was more important to get vaxxed than service patients. Now they're being made to look like fools because their own triple vaxxed staffs are all getting it.
What problem are you talking about? If there's more than enough staffed beds and more than enough surge capacity, why would firing unvaxxed staff be a problem? Aren't they just dead weight anyway?
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What problem are you talking about? If there's more than enough staffed beds and more than enough surge capacity, why would firing unvaxxed staff be a problem? Aren't they just dead weight anyway?
You're arguing against extra capacity? You said you want all the capacity you can get. Why not have extra, give the staff a break?
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You're arguing against extra capacity? You said you want all the capacity you can get. Why not have extra, give the staff a break?
I didn't say extra capacity, I said at least sufficient capacity. If you feel that's already there, why did you say there's a problem? If there's 20% extra capacity, what does the staff need a break from?
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I didn't say extra capacity, I said at least sufficient capacity. If you feel that's already there, why did you say there's a problem? If there's 20% extra capacity, what does the staff need a break from?
Thank you for admitting my point.
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Thank you for admitting my point.
How is me asking YOU what YOU meant admitting your point? ???
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We had 2yrs to get hospitals ready for a surge.
Unfortunately we couldn’t do anything for hospitals because we were busy creating a record high share market, record high bank profits and a property boom…….
Hospitals are the bottleneck of the pandemic. Don’t fix the bottleneck and you have an excuse to continually lockdown/restrict to prevent hospital meltdown.
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We had 2yrs to get hospitals ready for a surge.
Unfortunately we couldn’t do anything for hospitals because we were busy creating a record high share market, record high bank profits and a property boom…….
Hospitals are the bottleneck of the pandemic. Don’t fix the bottleneck and you have an excuse to continually lockdown/restrict to prevent hospital meltdown.
It’s about having enough staff. It takes years to train new Doctors and Nurses.
This has been common knowledge since the start of the pandemic though.
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They break all the "rules" whenever they want to. Now they're stuck and pushing infected staff to get back to work. Why? Because ....???
"COVID positive staff who are improving, mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic do not require isolation but are required to wear N95 masks for up to 10 days of positive symptoms or testing. These measures are supported by the CDC.
“I just don’t know what to do right now,” said a health care worker for St. Joseph’s, who wants to remain anonymous.
That health care worker tells ABC15 this new policy goes against everything they’ve been taught during this pandemic.
“These patients are the poorest, the sickest, and the most at risk. To have a healthcare worker who’s going to be dealing directly with these people, coming back coughing, which is exactly what’s been happening…really leaves you no faith in the company that you work for,” they added."
https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/omicron-strains-valley-testing-sites-and-hospitals
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They break all the "rules" whenever they want to. Now they're stuck and pushing infected staff to get back to work. Why? Because ....???
"COVID positive staff who are improving, mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic do not require isolation but are required to wear N95 masks for up to 10 days of positive symptoms or testing. These measures are supported by the CDC.
“I just don’t know what to do right now,” said a health care worker for St. Joseph’s, who wants to remain anonymous.
That health care worker tells ABC15 this new policy goes against everything they’ve been taught during this pandemic.
“These patients are the poorest, the sickest, and the most at risk. To have a healthcare worker who’s going to be dealing directly with these people, coming back coughing, which is exactly what’s been happening…really leaves you no faith in the company that you work for,” they added."
https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/omicron-strains-valley-testing-sites-and-hospitals
To care for all the unvaccinated who have COVID.
It’s just a matter of time before the unvaccinated will no longer receive COVID treatment.
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To care for all the unvaccinated who have COVID.
It’s just a matter of time before the unvaccinated will no longer receive COVID treatment.
We already have immunity now. Enjoy your booster shots.
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It’s about having enough staff. It takes years to train new Doctors and Nurses.
This has been common knowledge since the start of the pandemic though.
There is always some excuse given why we can’t do anything.
It takes years….well we’ve had 2 lol…… 😂
They could fast track easy peasy. They could incentivise. Streamlining of process is super easy where you purposefully bottleneck your ‘not sick’ people and streamline the sick. Communication control via media. Govt run webinars for people prior to testing or hospital visit. A million things.
Treating a person with a sniffle as if they are dying is pretty dumb resource/capacity management and shows a total lack of governance.
Do you, as a highly educated and professional medical worker’. believe your hospital is operating highly efficiently and have you addressed bottlenecks, processes and resource allocation? Do you believe nothing can be done and you have given up? It’s quite interesting to hear you make an excuse as friends and family in the medical field have the exact opposite opinion and give scathing feedback to how hospitals are run.
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It's already been established that they 20% open beds staffed and have surge capacity after that. For Cripes sake they've spent tens of billions and had years of prep. The problem is firing people who were perfectly fine to work for 2 years until the vaxxine scolds decided it was more important to get vaxxed than service patients. Now they're being made to look like fools because their own triple vaxxed staffs are all getting it.
This is all well and good. As I posted, my hospital stay was a few years ago, prior to COVID. That being said, what does your response have to do with my post?
Which hospitals have 20% open beds and have surge capacity after that? Are you suggesting this is the case with every hospital in the world or even in the U.S.? There is no way 'they' (whoever they are) could know this.
I seriously doubt 'all' vaxxed staff is contracting COVID.
If you want to be believable, post believable statements not exaggerations and falsehoods. It also helps to provide links which support what you post. Not that this would be possible in this case, because it isn't.
Check out this interactive map of hospitals throughout the U.S. Find your location and you can see what the hospitals are reporting at this time: https://data.statesmanjournal.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/oregon/41/
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I just don't understand how the unvaccinated are being blamed for people getting Covid when we know people with half a dozen so called vaccines have had it 3 times and are still spreading it. Meanwhile I have practiced social distancing and I haven't stepped foot in a hospital. Yet somehow I am the bad guy for not wanting to take shots that have made everyone I know sick?
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I just don't understand how the unvaccinated are being blamed for people getting Covid when we know people with half a dozen so called vaccines have had it 3 times and are still spreading it. Meanwhile I have practiced social distancing and I haven't stepped foot in a hospital. Yet somehow I am the bad guy for not wanting to take shots that have made everyone I know sick?
Are you counting all vaccines regardless of what they are for. As best as I can tell only 3 are available at the moment and a possible 4th one in the near future for a select group of at risk Americans.
You may be a bad guy, but not getting vaccinated has nothing to do with that. ;)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/09/health/immunocompromised-fourth-dose-booster.html
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Are you counting all vaccines regardless of what they are for. As best as I can tell only 3 are available at the moment and a possible 4th one in the near future for a select group of at risk Americans.
You may be a bad guy, but not getting vaccinated has nothing to do with that. ;)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/09/health/immunocompromised-fourth-dose-booster.html
Again with the NYT’s. You’re a hoot old man.
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Again with the NYT’s. You’re a hoot old man.
Thanks. Are you suggesting there are more vaccines than what they reported? If this is the case, would you post a link to that information? Since I subscribe the the NYT's online addition, I might as well read it. ;)
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I just don't understand how the unvaccinated are being blamed for people getting Covid when we know people with half a dozen so called vaccines have had it 3 times and are still spreading it. Meanwhile I have practiced social distancing and I haven't stepped foot in a hospital. Yet somehow I am the bad guy for not wanting to take shots that have made everyone I know sick?
If everyone had gotten vaccinated BEFORE the virus got a chance to mutate like the Doctors and Scientists recommended the pandemic would be over by now.
Thanks antivaxxers!
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If everyone had gotten vaccinated BEFORE the virus got a chance to mutate like the Doctors and Scientists recommended the pandemic would be over by now.
Thanks antivaxxers!
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the virus had mutated 4000 times before vaccines were available.
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the virus had mutated 4000 times before vaccines were available.
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How many variants or types of COVID-19 are there?
It is important to note that that viruses mutate regularly, and COVID-19 has undergone thousands of mutations since it first emerged (Duong, 2021).
https://epicentre.org.za/2021/12/14/diff-covid-variants-expl/?gclid=CjwKCAiAz--OBhBIEiwAG1rIOvbJGXbUjL7-dxSKbf9MvLUl6G9GdO60yOcS6wE9HYC_VcCp30FSvBoCuNcQAvD_BwE
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Is mutation to be expected?
SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, and mutations arise naturally as the virus replicates. Many thousands of mutations have already arisen, but only a very small minority are likely to be important and to change the virus in an appreciable way. COG-UK says that there are currently around 4000 mutations in the spike protein.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857
Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK
BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)
Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m4857
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https://epicentre.org.za/2021/12/14/diff-covid-variants-expl/?gclid=CjwKCAiAz--OBhBIEiwAG1rIOvbJGXbUjL7-dxSKbf9MvLUl6G9GdO60yOcS6wE9HYC_VcCp30FSvBoCuNcQAvD_BwE
Did you read what you posted?
It backs up everything that I just said.
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Did you read what you posted?
It backs up everything that I just said.
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We were discussing the number of variants Mr Mayer..
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We were discussing the number of variants Mr Mayer..
Yes.
Notice that the variants of concern come AFTER the vaccine was available.
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https://epicentre.org.za/2021/12/14/diff-covid-variants-expl/?gclid=CjwKCAiAz--OBhBIEiwAG1rIOvbJGXbUjL7-dxSKbf9MvLUl6G9GdO60yOcS6wE9HYC_VcCp30FSvBoCuNcQAvD_BwE
Interesting reading. Thanks.
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It’s about having enough staff. It takes years to train new Doctors and Nurses.
This has been common knowledge since the start of the pandemic though.
Then why fire the qualified nurses and doctors for choosing not to take the government funded poison?
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Then why fire the qualified nurses and doctors for choosing not to take the government funded poison?
Probably because those are the same people that would take pictures of empty hospitals. :o
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This is all well and good. As I posted, my hospital stay was a few years ago, prior to COVID. That being said, what does your response have to do with my post?
Which hospitals have 20% open beds and have surge capacity after that? Are you suggesting this is the case with every hospital in the world or even in the U.S.? There is no way 'they' (whoever they are) could know this.
I seriously doubt 'all' vaxxed staff is contracting COVID.
If you want to be believable, post believable statements not exaggerations and falsehoods. It also helps to provide links which support what you post. Not that this would be possible in this case, because it isn't.
Check out this interactive map of hospitals throughout the U.S. Find your location and you can see what the hospitals are reporting at this time: https://data.statesmanjournal.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/oregon/41/
Are you a moron? Your pic shows plenty of hospital capacity.
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It still amazes me how fearful people can be made with just a little propaganda and how they will eventually fight tooth and nail to justify their fear. Crazy fuckers.
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4 more known vaxholes today confirmed with covid. Vaxed, boosted, masked....covid!
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Then why fire the qualified nurses and doctors for choosing not to take the government funded poison?
Over 99% of Medical Doctors are vaccinated so the numbers terminated are insignificant.
Where I live Doctors and nurses aren't terminated if they're unvaccinated, they just have to be tested 3 times per week.
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Over 99% of Medical Doctors are vaccinated so the numbers terminated are insignificant.
Where I live Doctors and nurses aren't terminated if they're unvaccinated, they just have to be tested 3 times per week.
Fuck off piglet. Somebody, please pass the salt on this twatling. Covid up or Kobe down, cuntlette.
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Fuck off piglet. Somebody, please pass the salt on this twatling. Covid up or Kobe down, cuntlette.
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there is just no talking to tards - and of all tards - vaxtards r by far the most retarded.
attempting to convey reality to a vaxtard is like attempting to impregnate a whore via anal sex.
try as u may... at the end of the day, your best efforts will result in nothing more than a prolapsed rectum.
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Yes.
Notice that the variants of concern come AFTER the vaccine was available.
december 2020 was when the vaccine was rolled out, there was 4000 variants at that point, now if you want to argue the variants of concern came AFTER rge vaccine was rolled out we can discuss as to why that was if you like.
Im pretty sure logic doesnt point towards the unvaccinated.
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Over 99% of Medical Doctors are vaccinated so the numbers terminated are insignificant.
Where I live Doctors and nurses aren't terminated if they're unvaccinated, they just have to be tested 3 times per week.
made up statistic...
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made up statistic...
I think OAK is just trolling. He can't really be that stupid.
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To care for all the unvaccinated who have COVID.
It’s just a matter of time before the unvaccinated will no longer receive COVID treatment.
LOL.
I'm currently at home with COVID, extreme chills, fever. It definitely sucks but nowhere near going to a hospital. Certainly no reason to crash the economy and revoke everyone's rights.
Stop making things up.
You're living in the land of the make believe. ::)
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I think OAK is just trolling. He can't really be that stupid.
I know hes trolling but it allows me to post stuff I wouldnt normally get chance and more people will see it
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So many vaxtards are suffering illness after illness, lots of are dying. I can only hope that every single one of them perishes.
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Here is the data from Canada, as of today at 10:35 eastern time....straight from Ontario's own government website.
www.covid-19.ontario.ca
Click on "data" and see for yourself.
In intensive care: 138 are Unvaxxed. 158 are Fully Vaxxed.
In the hospital: 558 are Unvaxxed. 1,612 are Fully Vaxxed.
Cheers,
Cliff
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Here is the CEO pf Pfizer, Albert Bourla, explaining to a CNBC Host that two doses of the jab "offer very limited protection, if any" (See Video)
Listen at the 1:35 mark here: https://finance.yahoo.com/video/covid-19-vaccine-covers-omicron-144553437.html
Cheers,
Cliff
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Here is the data from Canada, as of today at 10:35 eastern time....straight from Ontario's own government website.
www.covid-19.ontario.ca
Click on "data" and see for yourself.
In intensive care: 138 are Unvaxxed. 158 are Fully Vaxxed.
In the hospital: 558 are Unvaxxed. 1,612 are Fully Vaxxed.
Cheers,
Cliff
Crazy.
Unvaccinated are 8 times more likely to end up in the ICU!
If the triple vaxxed stat is used the rate would be much greater.
Show me a treatment in ALL of medicine that is more effective than that!
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I know hes trolling but it allows me to post stuff I wouldnt normally get chance and more people will see it
Great stuff too. You and Zillotch bringing out some excellent info I haven't seen.
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LOL.
I'm currently at home with COVID, extreme chills, fever. It definitely sucks but nowhere near going to a hospital. Certainly no reason to crash the economy and revoke everyone's rights.
Stop making things up.
You're living in the land of the make believe. ::)
Sorry to hear.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
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Crazy.
Unvaccinated are 8 times more likely to end up in the ICU!
If the triple vaxxed stat is used the rate would be much greater.
Show me a treatment in ALL of medicine that is more effective than that!
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Is that what his link says?
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Is that what his link says?
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Link was a fail for me, but that's what the numbers equate to.
:)
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Link was a fail for me, but that's what the numbers equate to.
:)
Try this
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
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Here is the data from Canada, as of today at 10:35 eastern time....straight from Ontario's own government website.
www.covid-19.ontario.ca
Click on "data" and see for yourself.
In intensive care: 138 are Unvaxxed. 158 are Fully Vaxxed.
In the hospital: 558 are Unvaxxed. 1,612 are Fully Vaxxed.
Cheers,
Cliff
Let me make it even easier: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
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Try this
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Great. Thanks!
:)
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Oh look, health professionals so concerned about Covid that they are letting other health professionals work in the hospital even if they have Covid and "mild symptoms". It's a fucking work
"Health authorities around the U.S. are increasingly taking the extraordinary step of allowing nurses and other workers infected with the coronavirus to stay on the job if they have mild symptoms or none at all."
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/us-hospitals-letting-infected-staff-members-stay-job-82184760
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In a hole and keeps Digging Deeper
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Let me make it even easier: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Thank you.
Vaccination rate for Ontario is 90% for those over age 18.
If there are 158 fully vaccinated patients in the ICU that means there should be 18 unvaccinated patients in the ICU (if the vaccine is not effective). But instead there are 138 unvaccinated patients.
That means if you're unvaccinated you have an 800% higher chance of ending up in the ICU.....that's insane!
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Thank you.
Vaccination rate for Ontario is 90% for those over age 18.
If there are 158 fully vaccinated patients in the ICU that means there should be 18 unvaccinated patients in the ICU. But instead there are 138 unvaccinated patients.
That means if you're unvaccinated you have an 800% higher chance of ending up in the ICU.....that's insane!
You feel this is some sort of game? Fuck off and Covid up and die you pathetic cuntlette. I curse you and your kind to know the agony of a cuckold's death. Covid isn't too good for you. So get it and let it take you to Hades. Asshole. Whole ass.
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In a hole and keeps Digging Deeper
Question......don't you EVER get tired of being wrong?
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Question......don't you EVER get tired of being wrong?
8)
Covid up, bitch.
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In a hole and keeps Digging Deeper
😎😎😎
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😎😎😎
Nah. More Whiner than winner. Fuck you cuck. Fuck you to Hades. Covid up cuckold.
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Just curious…
Has anyone seen the FLU?
Asking for a friend
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Just curious…
Has anyone seen the FLU?
Asking for a friend
In order to keep the fear strong in the weak minded, it's now called the Flurona.
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Sorry to hear.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
Didn't end up in ICU though ???
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Didn't end up in ICU though ???
That's great news.
The ICU is Hell of Earth right now.
Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
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That's great news.
The ICU is Hell of Earth right now.
Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
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It's always been 'hell on earth' though, literally nothing has changed ???
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oak fails again
17k dr's want useless vax and mandates gone
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oak fails again
17k dr's want useless vax and mandates gone
Yes, get in! I love seeing stuff like this, gives me hope for humanity.
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oak fails again
17k dr's want useless vax and mandates gone
Kids in Florida have been in school without masks for like 18 months, but Leftist places are only now letting their kids lose the masks. Think about the insanity of that. No issues or problems in Florida (and several other states), but still it kept up this long.
It is because the Powers That Be would imprison you, confiscate your money, ruin your business and take your kids if you objected. No way many doctors are going to throw all their money and lifestyle down the drain when their corporate masters tell them to squat.
ChOak is pathetic because no master told him to squat or pay the price, he did it happily and willingly.
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