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Bob Chick, Athlete's Rep:
"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
Bob, are you claiming that a monopoly with questionable judging and major favoritism is what is best for EVERY IFBB athlete?
Even for those guys that ALWAYS place out of the money at IFBB shows and always will?
Wouldn't you advise the athletes to make as much money as possible, wherever they can? Why limit their opportunities? If a guy can make $1 more in his career by jumping, isn't it your responsibility as ATHLETE'S rep to advise him to go for it?
Are you representing EVERY athlete, SOME of them, or the SPORT in general?
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he's the IFFB athletes rep, hope that clears that up for you. ::)
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Bob speaks well for someone who has a hand shoved up thier back :-*
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he's the IFFB athletes rep, hope that clears that up for you. ::)
Fair enough.
Mustafa is an IFBB athlete. He earns about $8k a year in show winnings.
If his chances are pretty good to win $10k PER SHOW in the PDI, wouldn't it be a good idea for him to do it?
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Fair enough.
Mustafa is an IFBB athlete. He earns about $8k a year in show winnings.
If his chances are pretty good to win $10k PER SHOW in the PDI, wouldn't it be a good idea for him to do it?
that would stop him from borrowing money from others
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Bob Chick, Athlete's Rep:
"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
Bob, are you claiming that a monopoly with questionable judging and major favoritism is what is best for EVERY IFBB athlete?
Even for those guys that ALWAYS place out of the money at IFBB shows and always will?
Wouldn't you advise the athletes to make as much money as possible, wherever they can? Why limit their opportunities? If a guy can make $1 more in his career by jumping, isn't it your responsibility as ATHLETE'S rep to advise him to go for it?
Are you representing EVERY athlete, SOME of them, or the SPORT in general?
Ok, he's the Athlete's Rep. Not exactly a full time paid job right?
Since when is he representing the Athletes every time he makes a comment on something?
YIP
Zack
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He's 100% right, there isn't any room for another federation. The PDI will come along, and if it's better for the fans and athletes, the IFBB will go under. If the PDI is all talk with more of the same crap, it'll be something to post about in 10 years under "Whatever happened to..."
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Theres been room for several organisastions in amature level for decades , so why not the pro division ???
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
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where did this quote come from?
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Chick , there are more countrys than just America you know !!!
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where did this quote come from?
chick on the radio show tonight.
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Bob Chick, Athlete's Rep:
"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
out of curiosity, what was the context of this statement?
although i'm not defending Chick's comments, he is after all the IFBB athlete's rep. but even IF his statement is fundamentally true, no one can believe that the IFBB is the BEST organization for bodybuilders. not when they abandon their own athletes with health problems and DON'T increase prize money over the course of 10+ years (like the Ironman). the IFBB makes it so hard for new contests to succeed (like the GNC,which was supposedly an awesome event). even Arnold said he would give the winner of the ASC a million dollars if he could (but the IFBB won't let him).
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chick on the radio show tonight.
Oh, I usually listen to the archived shows cause I'm usually at the gym around that time, plus I can skip all the boring shit :D
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
I'd have to go with Bob on this one.
Shawn just handed out the 3rd largest purse of the year and I've seen more people at a Tee-Ball game.
And before you get started 240, let me say no amount of marketing savvy will make more people give a shit about BBing than already do. It's a dying sport.
That being said, do you think people are going to turn out in droves to watch even lesser caliber competitors just because the promoter is giving the athletes a fair shake? At the end of the day who gives a shit. When i go to a yankee game I'm not concerned about whether or not Derek Jeter's contract is equitable, I just want him to get a fvcking hit.
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I'd have to go with Bob on this one.
Shawn just handed out the 3rd largest purse of the year and I've seen more people at a Tee-Ball game.
And before you get started 240, let me say no amount of marketing savvy will make more people give a shit about BBing than already do. It's a dying sport.
That being said, do you think people are going to turn out in droves to watch even lesser caliber competitors just because the promoter is giving the athletes a fair shake? At the end of the day who gives a shit. When i go to a yankee game I'm not concerned about whether or not Derek Jeter's contract is equitable, I just want him to get a fvcking hit.
Very well said.
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It's unimaginably difficult to imagine a large contingent supporting another federation considering
the federation with the biggest names (The IFBB) fails to draw a large following.
I've said it before and will say it again...people want action. It's only your rare person
who's going to get excited about watching the culmination of a year's hard work of training
and dieting revealed on stage. 99.9% of the pop. (even women) would much rather watch
two lowly NFL teams battle it out than to sit front and center at the Olympia.
This being said..I agree with Bob..As crappy as the IFBB is I seriously doubt another federation
would garner any greater support or following.
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.
This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
Look guys, I appreciate that you are enthusiastic about the PDI and whatnot but Bob is right, for better or worse, whoever wins, there is no room for 2 major federations.
Mostly because of the money and the support bodybuilding as it is.
If you have ever seen a major sport split into 2 federations (like I have) you would realise that even in a far more lucrative scenario things do not work. It is a battle for supremacy and pushing the other one out.
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Chick , there are more countrys than just America you know !!!
But America is the only one that matters ;D
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Fair enough.
Mustafa is an IFBB athlete. He earns about $8k a year in show winnings.
If his chances are pretty good to win $10k PER SHOW in the PDI, wouldn't it be a good idea for him to do it?
yeah but that's not gonna happen because Mustafa isn't that great. I have no idea what the hype is about him. He has a few good pictures and that's about it
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
not enough puppets for 2 federations..
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Quite frankly the IFBB rules are ridiculous. Why even
create rules if no one has to abide by them?
Is it that the IFBB creates pseudo-rules to give
the illusion of being an upstanding federation with no intent on enforcing
them if it threatens the Weider's making money?
The only time I've ever heard of a company or federation complaining
about a person working another job is when it 1.) Hindered their ability
to do their job with them efficiently or 2.) They were scared of losing
control over their worker thus missing the opp. to make money from them.
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NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.
This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Do you really think those guys wouldn't be suspended? I don't know even a 100th of what goes on in professional bodybuilding, but some of those guys might forfeit a large sum of money, I mean what is 1st and 2nd place at the O now? How sure are you that they wouldn't be hurt by this? Just asking though, not wanting to come off as anything other than curious because if you are right, I think they should follow your advice.
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Quite frankly the IFBB rules are ridiculous. Why even
create rules if no one has to abide by them?
Is it that the IFBB creates pseudo-rules to give
the illusion of being an upstanding federation with no intent on enforcing
them if it threatens the Weider's making money?
The only time I've ever heard of a company or federation complaining
about a person working another job is when it 1.) Hindered their ability
to do their job with them efficiently or 2.) They were scared of losing
control over their worker thus missing the opp. to make money from them.
They have to have rules, even if they don't follow them. ;D
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Bob Chick, Athlete's Rep:
"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
Bob, are you claiming that a monopoly with questionable judging and major favoritism is what is best for EVERY IFBB athlete?
Of course that is what he is claiming.. How else do you think he could have won the Master's? It damn sure wasn't because of his "talent".....
(to be deleted as soon as chickypoo see's this... lol)
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NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.
This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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With all due respect, my brother....
Even if the IFBB gave their blessing for any and all to compete wherever hey want, whenever they want....half the Olympia lineup wouldn't compete at the NOC anyway, I'm not so sure all but 1 or 2 guys would risk screwing up their prep for a $30K TOTAL purse. $15K to the winner ($5K profit margin to the winner...everyone else LOSES money)
The Olympia still means competing with the BEST in the world, for the biggest TITLE in the world. Despite the Arnold being what it is...the Olympia is still the bigger title...it's called HISTORY, and following the greats before you.
All the guys you mentioned, make more money guest posing, selling merchandise, than placing 2-5th in the PDI/NOC...were back to square one.
You're also forgetting that most pro's find a certain prestige in competing against other guys that have won National titles to turn pro...paying their dues so to say....something about standing next to guys that are amateurs, hand picked, or just given pro cards won't sit well.
This is in no way meant to demean anyone falling into this category...just stating the mentality of certain pro's I've talked to on the matter...
You are under the impression these top guys would compete in the PDI even if allowed...I disagree.
Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.
Money-wise, you would've made more prize money had you chose to compete in the Olympia, then if you were to win ALL the PDI shows combined...why not compete ONCE, as opposed to 3-4 times for equal money?
BTW...to think Ronnie, Jay, Dex, Gus, Vic Darrem, etc would even risk 25-150K, being suspended ,to compete in the PDI for pennies is utterly ridiculous. Talk about RISK to BENEFIT ratio....!
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I spoke to Peter about this - this was never his intention at all. There is an agreement with Pro Body Building Weekly and AMI, since they sponser it, that the AMI athletes appear on that show only. It is simple. There is probably an agreement with Muscletech too.
Dan and Bob- Is it true that you guys are now sponsored by AMI?
Does this mean you will only have AMI/Flex athletes on, or still include muscletech or MD guys?
Are AMI/Weider athletes now banned from doing any other radio show?
Will you guys still be having Wayne DeMilia on the show after the NOC, as you originally said you would?
Thanks!
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Look guys, I appreciate that you are enthusiastic about the PDI and whatnot but Bob is right, for better or worse, whoever wins, there is no room for 2 major federations.
Mostly because of the money and the support bodybuilding as it is.
If you have ever seen a major sport split into 2 federations (like I have) you would realise that even in a far more lucrative scenario things do not work. It is a battle for supremacy and pushing the other one out.
AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.
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AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.
That's because the NFL is actually entertaining ::)
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PBBW is not sponsored by AMI, and we will continue to have great guests on as we have. Lets see if Wayne WANT'S to come on the show after the NOC (if it takes place).
We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...
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AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.
The difference is, the IFBB doesn't NEED the PDI (or any other org) for anything....
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Actually oldschool in the situation I saw it was the same, two seperate organisations that ended up forming as one.
I see all this pdi stuff as likely to last a little while before things are unified again. I just hope the athletes get something out of the situation before things pretty much go back to how they were.
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Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.
Milos Sarcev competed 10 shows in a year..
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PBBW is not sponsored by AMI, and we will continue to have great guests on as we have. Lets see if Wayne WANT'S to come on the show after the NOC (if it takes place).
We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...
But the AMI athletes that come on your show are forbidden from doing any other radio shows?
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You are under the impression these top guys would compete in the PDI even if allowed...I disagree.
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BTW...to think Ronnie, Jay, Dex, Gus, Vic Darrem, etc would even risk 25-150K, being suspended ,to compete in the PDI for pennies is utterly ridiculous. Talk about RISK to BENEFIT ratio....!
Ya know, lots and lots of people attend the NPC Nationals, and lots and lots of people attend the IFBB World Amateur Championships. Fans don't necessarily want to see the same guys for ten years or more. They want to see new faces. In Europe they're dying to see local faces. And just perhaps, they don't want to see the mass monsters, but want to see aethetically pleasing physiques with emphasis on symmetry and proportionality.
Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.
perhaps if you had to compete 6-10 times a year, you wouldn't go to such extremes and physiques would be more appealing to a broader base of fans.
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But the AMI athletes that come on your show are forbidden from doing any other radio shows?
When is Wayne going to be on? :-\
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I'd go so far as to say there should only be a spring and fall season for the pros and scrap the may shows altogether IMO. 2 contests seasons 6 months apart with 3 shows each. 2 big shows in europe included in this...More money for each show though...
One big problem right now is there are way too many people in the world with IFBB pro cards. Half the people in most contests aren't up to scratch.
They should make the winners of the national titles in the euro countries compete against each other in pro qualifiers every six months with only one guy getting a card each time.
In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals should get a card.
Raise the standard to improve the fields because that's why it's boring. If each contest had 10 top guys going at it it would be more interesting.
the PDI is only going to make this worse with zero talent guys competing as pros...
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I'd go so far as to say there should only be a spring and fall season for the pros and scrap the may shows altogether IMO. 2 contests seasons 6 months apart with 3 shows each. 2 big shows in europe included in this...More money for each show though...
One big problem right now is there are way too many people in the world with IFBB pro cards. Half the people in most contests aren't up to scratch.
They should make the winners of the national titles in the euro countries compete against each other in pro qualifiers every six months with only one guy getting a card each time.
In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals gets a card.
Raise the standard to improve the fields because that's why it's boring. If each contest had 10 top guys going at it it would be more interesting.
the PDI is only going to make this worse with zero talent guys competing as pros...
Can you give me an example of these zero talent guys? ???
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In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals gets a card.
the overall winner of the USA,
each class winner of the Nationals,
the overall winner of the Team Universe,
and the overall winner of the North Americans
that's 8.5
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the overall winner of the USA,
each class winner of the Nationals,
the overall winner of the Team Universe,
and the overall winner of the North Americans
that's 8.5
I know thats who gets cards now what I'm suggesting is only the overall guy from the USA and the nationals gets it.
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Can you give me an example of these zero talent guys? ???
guys like rhino shouldn't be on a pro stage no matter what the fed.
he says the NPC overlooked him but they had their reasons... he isn't very good!
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Ya know, lots and lots of people attend the NPC Nationals, and lots and lots of people attend the IFBB World Amateur Championships. Fans don't necessarily want to see the same guys for ten years or more. They want to see new faces. In Europe they're dying to see local faces. And just perhaps, they don't want to see the mass monsters, but want to see aethetically pleasing physiques with emphasis on symmetry and proportionality.
perhaps if you had to compete 6-10 times a year, you wouldn't go to such extremes and physiques would be more appealing to a broader base of fans.
You're right...lots of people DO attend the NPC Nats, USA, Worlds, etc...mostly family and friends. We can't compare AA show that has 300+ competitors (USA/ Nats) to a pro show with 25-30 guys
Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.
If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.
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PDI is gonna flop big time.. especially when their top stars are Rhino and Galanti.. lol ::)
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guys like rhino shouldn't be on a pro stage no matter what the fed.
he says the NPC overlooked him but they had their reasons... he isn't very good!
Rhino looks a lot better than you. Post your pic ::)
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Rhino looks a lot better than you. Post your pic ::)
I bet my nuts are looking a lot better than rhinos though ;)
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NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.
This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
:ee is the fuckin man
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How many IFBB pros are there worldwide. And to say there are not enough BB for two organizations is absolutely hilarious. I have never seen 100 pros in one show. There 29 in Seans show. How many will be at the NY Pro 30 maybe at the most. Are you telling me there are not at least 200 IFBB pros in the entire world. Plus the PDI is signing many guys in Europe who are just as good as 75% of the IFBB pros here in the states just because you don't know them makes them inferior.
Who makes up the pro ranks. Amatuers do. Like you said the NPC is thriving in membership. What makes it so improbable that NPC guys won't sign to the PDI before the IFBB once the PDI gets the ball rolling.
You say the NPC shows have the audience because of the families and friends come to support them. So when a guy turns pro what happens. Did his family die, did all his freinds dis-own him. What happens to the fans they had. Basically what the IFBB has done is RUIN the imgae and reputation of Bodybuilding and Bodybuilders. The PDI is coming in to try to fix what they fucked up. Bring back the nice aestitic look and excitement a BB show used to have. Did all the fans who used to pack the house years ago all die. No they no longer support BB because of what it has become. The PDI is going after those people, the people who really love BB but hate it the way it is now. What is so wrong with that.
Believe me the huge gross looking guys like Coleman, Ruhl etc can be guest posers. And the PDI will have it huge guys in it. But no matter what the shows will be ALLOT more exciting than the IFBB shows happening nowadays.
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
agreed, yeh PDI sounds ok on paper, but come show time will it fly? NOPE ::)
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Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.
Al Beckles (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Beckles,+Albert)
1981 - 11 IFBB pro shows
1983 - 7 pro shows
1988 - 10 pro shows
1989 - 13 pro shows
1991 - 11 pro shows
Boyer Coe (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Coe,+Boyer)
1979 - 9 pro shows
1981 - 11 pro shows
Robby Robinson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Robinson,+Robby)
1988 - 9 pro shows
Milos Sarcev (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Sarcev,+Milos)
1991 - 10 pro shows
1992 - 11 pro shows
1993 - 10 pro shows
1997 - 11 pro shows
1999 - 7 pro shows
If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.
"Nice physiques" would be pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, you know, lots of steroids, no GH and Insulin, very little diuretics.
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The only reason why most BB only compete once or twice a year is because they can't stay in shape all year round. that would mean they would actually have to train and eat seriously all year round or at least most of the year. As you can see from any pro who is not training for a contest they look like shit. I mean I look like an off season heavyweight (just off season for a few years) ;D The guys who compete multiple times a year are serious about staying in shape. Either that or they have other things going for them and competing just once a year or twice is something they do more as a hobby than a real job. Back in the day guys competed more cause they usually stayed in shape or at least close to it. It didn't take 3 or 4 months to get back into contest shape.
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Al Beckles (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Beckles,+Albert)
1981 - 11 IFBB pro shows
1983 - 7 pro shows
1988 - 10 pro shows
1989 - 13 pro shows
1991 - 11 pro shows
Boyer Coe (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Coe,+Boyer)
1979 - 9 pro shows
1981 - 11 pro shows
Robby Robinson (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Robinson,+Robby)
1988 - 9 pro shows
Milos Sarcev (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Sarcev,+Milos)
1991 - 10 pro shows
1992 - 11 pro shows
1993 - 10 pro shows
1997 - 11 pro shows
1999 - 7 pro shows
"Nice physiques" would be pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, you know, lots of steroids, no GH and Insulin, very little diuretics.
...and NO money.
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The only reason why most BB only compete once or twice a year is because they can't stay in shape all year round. that would mean they would actually have to train and eat seriously all year round or at least most of the year. As you can see from any pro who is not training for a contest they look like shit. I mean I look like an off season heavyweight (just off season for a few years) ;D The guys who compete multiple times a year are serious about staying in shape. Either that or they have other things going for them and competing just once a year or twice is something they do more as a hobby than a real job. Back in the day guys competed more cause they usually stayed in shape or at least close to it. It didn't take 3 or 4 months to get back into contest shape.
Bullshit...
The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool).
The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.
For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.
For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it.....
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Pro bodybuilding is not nearly as popular as it was in the 1980s and even into the 1990s. Perhaps this extreme conditioning that costs $5-8k to prepare and that you can only do once or twice a year is partially to blame.
When the top bodybuildes only compete in 1 or 2 shows a year, and at the Olympia its a forgone conclusion that last year's winner is going to win again, it's kind of hard to get fans enthused.
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I'm not going to argue with you Chic. I'll feel funny if I bring you here to emcee my show and we are fighting. But I will go through your post.
Bullshit...
The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool). This is an interesting insight. The cost of prepping for a show is considerably higher that what most competitors make in a show or even all year long in competition. Yet they still do it. But the last remark is the kicker. "Unless you're a complete fool" Well you answered it yourself. They are complete fools for competing at all if all they do is lose money. What is the drive and incentive to be a pro BB then. To end up in the poorhouse. You have just called 99% of every Pro a complete fool. Why not just stay an amatuer get some good endorsement deals, concentrate on looking more aetitically appealing and get more money that way. You can still compete, look good and make more money than most pros.
The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.
For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.
For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it..... Yes remember what you said, the people on here don't matter
From all indications it really isn't worth being a pro BB. I still want to know how many IFBB pros are there worldwide. No one has answered that. Because their are maybe at the very most 10 who make a good living from BB related business's. And less than who actually make a good living from contest winnings alone. I'd like to know how many there are out there that are wasting their time and would benefit from the PDI. It looks to me like well over 100+ IFBB pros could come to the PDI and do better than they are doing now. They have absolutely not one thing to lose. And with that, that would leave less than 20 IFBB Pros competing which would make their odds allot better to win some good money. Just a thought. But please my buddy Chic, how many IFBB pros are there worldwide.
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Also, I am going to stretch a little here, but how many sports do you know of where their is just one federation or organization that controls the entire industry. Please name at least one but maybe two.
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THERES ALWAYS ROOM FOR COMPETITION!!! NEVER SAY NEVER (NUNCA DEGA NUNCA) 8)
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THERES ALWAYS ROOM FOR COMPETITION!!! NEVER SAY NEVER (NUNCA DEGA NUNCA) 8)
Exactly. The ONLY reason why anyone would ever say their is no room for competition is that they are SCARED. Very simple. Thats a fact. They aren't trying to convince themselves as much as they are trying to convince everyone else so no one will go to the competition. Thats human nature. Instead of playing like it is nothing and try to ignore it they start to change things, institue rules that have never been enforced before, threaten people and sponsors. They know they are in a weak position. They know they have been slowly deterioating over the past several years and now there is another player in town. The IFBB is scared and they are showing it. No matter who comes on here and says no or yea right, they are scared and they should be. Shows are being cancelled, sponsors are pulling out, attendance is down, the pressure is even getting to the judges who go crazy at shows.
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Also, I find it funny that NPC and IFBB competitors are fine as long as they compete in these organziastions. Meaning they are worthy of competing on stage with other NPC or IFBB competitors. But, once they decide they are going to the PDI they are no longer worthy of ebing on stage or they are now not as good as they were when they were with the NPC or IFBB.
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Chick,
It's hard to believe much of what you say. You accuse ppl of racism, you claim to have access to sales records, and you say 2 BBing federeations is bad.
The first two were selfish, bold-faced lies. Hard to give you credibility on the 3rd point, ya know?
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Chick,
It's hard to believe much of what you say. You accuse ppl of racism, you claim to have access to sales records, and you say 2 BBing federeations is bad.
The first two were selfish, bold-faced lies. Hard to give you credibility on the 3rd point, ya know?
240 you are wasting your time posting comments to Bob...he already told us he would no longer engage anyone negative,you remember...just a couple days BEFORE he posted all that garbage about you being a racist.
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Bullshit...
The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready.
So you made what? 2K For your masters "win". Monster Profit Margin.
Why not compete in more shows? Maybe if the whole BB scene got off of this "striated glutes" thing and "ripped hamstrings" we would see physiques which look a little more normal.
I still think the reason why BB was WAY more popular in the 70's and 80's is because that the general fan or kid out there thought that they could actually look like the pros (or at least come close). That is why we bought up the magazines and books to find out how they were eating and training etc.
Who out there thinks (or for that matter) wants to look like todays current pros? Distended guts, big asses, veins everywhere, ripped hamstrings....gimme a break.....that is the reason why the majority of fans don't give a shit anymore.
Where did all the fans of BB from the 70's go? They didn't all die off, they were mostly teenagers and young adults, so, they should still be out there....they just choose not to support a corrupt IFBB and the fucked up judging that goes on at pro shows.
Get rid of the GH, slin, diuretics and really changed the judging criteria....if the PDI is willing to do that, it might succeed. If it is just a JV version of the IFBB, then of course it will be a huge failure, he's right in the sense who the hell wants to see 6th tier pros? Unless they present a different package.
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IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor. This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.
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You're right...lots of people DO attend the NPC Nats, USA, Worlds, etc...mostly family and friends. We can't compare AA show that has 300+ competitors (USA/ Nats) to a pro show with 25-30 guys
Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.
If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.
NOT UNREASONABLE WHEN THE SHOWS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.
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Bullshit...
The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool).
The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.
For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.
For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it.....
What are the guys spending money on.It cost me about $2,500 for the last 3 shows i did.How much gear are you using Bob and others oh that's right THAT WOULDBE AGAINST THE IFBB RULES.SORRY I FORGOT.:)
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...and NO money.
you're just jealous that Beckles had a million times better physique than you.
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IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor. This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.
are you saying that if gayness was brutal Russian czars that most IFBB pros would be Ivan the Terrible, 240?
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IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor. This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.
Not to mention it is against the rules ...........
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Onlyme wow u really think your opinion of pro bodybuilding matters to anyone? Weren't u an arm wrestler? LOL
Btw which are u in your avatar the hairy fat ugly beast? Or the bear?
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What are the guys spending money on.It cost me about $2,500 for the last 3 shows i did.How much gear are you using Bob and others oh that's right THAT WOULDBE AGAINST THE IFBB RULES.SORRY I FORGOT.:)
Lee it's pretty obvious to most people that Chick trys to overcompensate for his shit genetics and training with more drugs...
duh?
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PDI is gonna flop big time.. especially when their top stars are Rhino and Galanti.. lol ::)
Hey
Thanks for the plug.....LOL
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Lee it's pretty obvious to most people that Chick trys to overcompensate for his shit genetics and training with more drugs...
duh?
I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...
It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...
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No problem dude.. Hey you seem like a decent guy, but you have to realize there is a REASON you never turned PRO and were able to compete in the IFBB? And now that u are going to the PDI it sorta is like someone who can't get into medical school that gives up and ends up becoming a nurse.. lol
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I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...
It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...
Dam Bob....you could have spent a few days at my house, i'm omly 30 min from NYC.
saved a few bucks....next year call me.
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No problem dude.. Hey you seem like a decent guy, but you have to realize there is a REASON you never turned PRO and were able to compete in the IFBB? And now that u are going to the PDI it sorta is like someone who can't get into medical school that gives up and ends up becoming a nurse.. lol
I'm cool with that....
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We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...
your employer (AMI) doesn't need a clause to blackball you
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your employer (AMI) doesn't need a clause to blackball you
Blackball me from WHAT?
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I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...
It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...
Chick, in no way could I even comprehend how much it takes to prep for a show with gear, food, gear, and what not. But two grand to fly you and your ol lady to a show and hotel? Where the freak are you staying? Flying on the AMI private jet or something? Think Orbitz.
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Chick, your argument proves too much. Really, if there's so little talent and no interest in a second bodybuilding federation, then the IFBB has no need for a rule preventing it. The market will ensure that only the IFBB will survive.
Similarly, no one (pro or fan) should be interested in the PDI, so the IFBB shouldn't worry about it. Further, since it's so self-evident, no pro should even bother thinking about leaving the IFBB.
But why do we keep hearing all this talk about suspensions and fines?!?!
Because this argument is bogus.
Pan Am used to say the same thing about TWA -- too little interest in flights to Europe -- to try to force the government to force TWA out of the airline industry.
Let's see what happens: let the PDI have its day. Each competitor should have the right to compete in whatever competition he desires. To argue for the contrary is just not right.
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...not enough fan base willing to support them both.
...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.
...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.
"Talent" hahahahahahaha
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From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard. DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.
Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !
PDI all the way !
Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
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Anyone who has talked to wayne can tell you the medical coverage is f**king brilliant.
I'm not spilling any beans here... ask anyone who has spoken to him though. The competitors will KNOW what is happening to their bodies. No more handshake and a 'see ya next year' after the "O".
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You guys are sure gungho for the PDI. Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
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From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard. DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.
Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !
PDI all the way !
Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
These rules doesn't favor a guy like Palumbo or Rhino.
Rather, someone like Cicherillo.
Why isn't he moving over?
Or rather, when is he moving?
YIP
Zack
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Rather, someone like Cicherillo.
Why isn't he moving over?
Or rather, when is he moving?
when the puppeteer pulls the strings, Bob will jump. Then he'll tell us how he always thought the PDI was a great idea, and delete any posts that say otherwise.
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NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.
This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
this is so fucking sad to think some people compete to "make money" in bbing. these people need to face reality and work a real job, seriously.
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both federations are gheyd.
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I wonder if he's older than her father. That much be awkward at Thanksgiving.
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Chick is the IFBB Athelete's Rep...not the "any federation" atheletes rep. Why are people surprised to hear him talk down the PDI?
I'd like to see how PDI works out. Pro bodybuilding, like Chick says, has a small market and it's true that IF natural shows were in such demand, they'd be making coins. Well, I'm not going so far as to say 'drug free' but if the PDI really does stick to it's decree of aesthetics over HULKING mass that we're used to seeing in the IFBB then we'll see if fans will put their money where their mouth is.
But by Demilia's own words, PDI seems to be a 'bodybuilding LITE' alternative to the IFBB. It's not going to be so much about contests as it will be about entertainment and public acceptance. And if he can make coins, so much the better. But there's a problem...if the money's not going to be great, on a level with IFBB shows, then there's NO reason for guys to compete....no glory, since PDI is from it's own admission, a less-about-competition-more-entertainment federation.
I think the PDI's ultimate end will be money in Wayne's pockets....not the other way around for the athletes.
My only hope is that they stick to the judging criteria they set out, dollars be damned. THEN we can see if the fans come back (by Wayne's own words, the homosexual market that has faded away from the IFBB in terms of cash support....Wayne wants MONEY, and the gay market that the IFBB lost Wayne will attempt to gain!).
Much ado about nothing?....let's find out.
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They should make a Chickarillo bobbledhead doll ;)
though it should only bobble forward and back in agreeance with the IFBB
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From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard. DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.
Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !
PDI all the way !
Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......
First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years??? He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.?? I doubt that will be happenning
As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed. Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way. And I'm sure there will be a catch to it
As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete???? Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home. That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.
As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....
Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent. We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success. I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him. He's not going to have really any competition. Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie. He's going against.....
Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)
These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time. The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't. Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th. The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes. But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned. He can't possibly lose
Its not the AFL/NFL. The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people. There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest. People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money.
Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass. Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed. Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over. He will never win an IFBB event again.
Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro. The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched. Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you.
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Blackball me from WHAT?
raise, promotions, marketing, business opportunities, perceived clout
its very simple chick,
you are a ami employee
you are an ifbb officer
you cannot promote the pdi without getting reprimanded.
your attempts to sound like you are some sort of rebel, are most amusing.
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Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......
First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years??? He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.?? I doubt that will be happenning
As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed. Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way. And I'm sure there will be a catch to it
As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete???? Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home. That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.
As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....
Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent. We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success. I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him. He's not going to have really any competition. Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie. He's going against.....
Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)
These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time. The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't. Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th. The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes. But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned. He can't possibly lose
Its not the AFL/NFL. The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people. There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest. People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money.
Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass. Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed. Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over. He will never win an IFBB event again.
Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro. The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched. Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you.
Calling me out how? my last Olympia that i was in shape for i placed 6th.That 15th place dosen't count as i didnt want to do the show and stated so in many interviews leading up to it.I have competed against guys who have the capability of beating me alot of guys have.But guess what?sometimes no matter how we look we never get compared from the start.So how can you have a fair judged show if half the guys aren't compared to the other guys?Just look at last years Olympia pre judging and tell me all the guys who were capable of beating others guys got a fair comparision to do it. NOT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I have competed IFBB 13 years why not try something new.As for me winning the shows not to sure there are other great bodybuilders outside the USA who will join who if given the chance in the IFBB and compared would beat some big name.But the IFBB judging dosen't allow for such thing.How many times have we seen guys in great shape better theen the guys in the top 3-6 but yest never get compared?TOO FUKIN MANY.
LEE YOU CALLED I ANSWERED :)
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Yeah unfortunately Chic has to stay loyal to his pay packet , which is understandable , but think of this , if the PDI does not succeed , just what attitude will the IFBB then adopt ??? you all need to think about that, including you chic !!!
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Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......
First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years??? He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.?? I doubt that will be happenning
As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed. Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way. And I'm sure there will be a catch to it
As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete???? Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home. That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.
As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....
Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent. We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success. I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him. He's not going to have really any competition. Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie. He's going against.....
Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)
These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time. The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't. Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th. The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes. But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned. He can't possibly lose
Its not the AFL/NFL. The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people. There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest. People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money.
Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass. Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed. Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over. He will never win an IFBB event again.
Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro. The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched. Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you.
In all honesty, I think you're missing the entire point of the PDI. It's not about the top established tier, DeMilia said himself his federation will be a return to real true aesthetic, symmetrical bodybuilding physiques. Who cares if the competitors aren't 300lbs. shredded, is that the only interest you have in bodybuilding? because at that point I hardly think it's even considered bodybuilding anymore. We're talking about lean, balanced, proportioned physiques, like a return to the 80's and early 90's before insulin and GH became the norm. Do you honestly think the current top lineup of IFBB pro's is the best bunch of bodybuilders in the world? you honestly think there are no better out there? you might be in for a surprise. Shapeless mass shouldn't be rewarded in a bodybuilding contest, distended gh guts and obvious use of synthol should result in immediate disqualification, you ask why didn't DeMilia put this into effect earlier? because the IFBB wasn't HIS. There were people above him pulling the strings and controlling the shows from the shadows.
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Calling me out how? my last Olympia that i was in shape for i placed 6th.That 15th place dosen't count as i didnt want to do the show and stated so in many interviews leading up to it.I have competed against guys who have the capability of beating me alot of guys have.But guess what?sometimes no matter how we look we never get compared from the start.So how can you have a fair judged show if half the guys aren't compared to the other guys?Just look at last years Olympia pre judging and tell me all the guys who were capable of beating others guys got a fair comparision to do it. NOT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I have competed IFBB 13 years why not try something new.As for me winning the shows not to sure there are other great bodybuilders outside the USA who will join who if given the chance in the IFBB and compared would beat some big name.But the IFBB judging dosen't allow for such thing.How many times have we seen guys in great shape better theen the guys in the top 3-6 but yest never get compared?TOO FUKIN MANY.
LEE YOU CALLED I ANSWERED :)
I like Lee's logic here, why not try a new avenue, plus if it crashes and burned guys like Lee will have milked bodybuilding for what they could and move on to other pursuits. A few more as good as Lee jump and the PDI is the new "Hot girl" in town, everyone will trying to get a pc of the action.
I hope it goes, it might save bodybuilding from the abyss.
Wayne seems to know how to navigate thru the bad PR of roids and make it seem like a class event.
Jim Manion is no fool either and perhaps this will make the entire sport come back to a new golden age.
I respect Jim Manion and also feel Wayne is a great promoter, interesting to see what happens here????
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I like Lee's logic here, why not try a new avenue, plus if it crashes and burned guys like Lee will have milked bodybuilding for what they could and move on to other pursuits. A few more as good as Lee jump and the PDI is the new "Hot girl" in town, everyone will trying to get a pc of the action.
I hope it goes, it might save bodybuilding from the abyss.
Wayne seems to know how to navigate thru the bad PR of roids and make it seem like a class event.
Jim Manion is no fool either and perhaps this will make the entire sport come back to a new golden age.
I respect Jim Manion and also feel Wayne is a great promoter, interesting to see what happens here????
Wayne also seems to have genuine concern for the health of the competitors something that is definetly not true in the IFBB, I think if some bb'er in the IFBB dropped dead on stage they wouldn't even send flowers to the widow, it would be just another day because there are so many others waiting in line for the opportunity to almost kill themselves for last place.
Sad But True
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They should make a Chickarillo bobbledhead doll ;)
though it should only bobble forward and back in agreeance with the IFBB
I like Chic, but even he would have to admit THAT is some funny crap.
I agree Mr Pecker , as he bobs hehehe
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"PDI: the homos' federation of choice."
we prefer the term queer
and it ain't a federation !
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we prefer the term queer
and it ain't a federation !
You have to be gay to speak for gays as a group ::)
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we prefer the term queer
and it ain't a federation !
Really? You'd rather be called queer? is Homo the most offensive?
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You have to be gay to speak for gays as a group ::)
and you are truly clueless
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and you are truly clueless
Pretending to be gay now? ::)
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One thing wayne should do is only let aesthetic bodybuilders join the PDI if he truly wants to present a different package. Guys with big guts don't qualify and don't win the qualifiers.
Maybe he should even consider not calling it bodybuilding but something else. Maybe even just a "physique competition" with "physique competitors"?
The gay market is huge though and they love the benfatto types.
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Pretending to be gay now? ::)
He is queer.
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What funny is there are 12 IFBB shows in the US. There are only 4 that give away more money than the PDI events. For an organization that is 40+ years old this is very sad. A new startup organization is coming out of the starting blocks with more prize money than 66% of the IFBB shows. The IFBB should be ashamed of themselves. You wonder why BB is going backwards, it because of the IFBB. The PDI will be a welcome change for the competitors and the fans.
And Vince you have NO idea who is competing so quit making it look like you do.
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What funny is there are 12 IFBB shows in the US.
last year there were only 9 men's pro shows. this year there are European shows scheduled, but let's see if they actually occur.
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i am not for or against the PDI but bodybuilding is like profesional wrestling it is not a sport its a competition and for many years and until recent times there were two major federation wwf @wwe and from what i have heard is they joined sometime ago but before that both had a fairly strong amount of loyal viewers and those who tune in to both for the love of the game why is that not possible for the bodybuilding
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i am not for or against the PDI but bodybuilding is like profesional wrestling it is not a sport its a competition and for many years and until recent times there were two major federation wwf @wwe and from what i have heard is they joined sometime ago but before that both had a fairly strong amount of loyal viewers and those who tune in to both for the love of the game why is that not possible for the bodybuilding
Well pro wrestling is classified as "sports Entertainment" not competition. even when Vince, Hulk, HHH or anyone involved refers to it as Sports Entertainment.
It wasn't the WWF and WWE. It was WWF and TCW. But the WWf changed it name to the WWE because of tradmark infringement on the World Wildlife Federation (WWF). They were forced to change the letters whihc in turn made them change the name. This is what I heard.
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i dont know about TCW because it was problably gone before i was born but as far as my last reply goes you get the general idea even if it fails who cares is the IFBB going to loose any money off the arnold or the olympia the answer to that is "no" even if bodybuilders cross over it could make the powers that be reconsider the treatment of the competitor and make some long overdue changes
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Calling me out how? my last Olympia that i was in shape for i placed 6th.That 15th place dosen't count as i didnt want to do the show and stated so in many interviews leading up to it.I have competed against guys who have the capability of beating me alot of guys have.But guess what?sometimes no matter how we look we never get compared from the start.So how can you have a fair judged show if half the guys aren't compared to the other guys?Just look at last years Olympia pre judging and tell me all the guys who were capable of beating others guys got a fair comparision to do it. NOT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I have competed IFBB 13 years why not try something new.As for me winning the shows not to sure there are other great bodybuilders outside the USA who will join who if given the chance in the IFBB and compared would beat some big name.But the IFBB judging dosen't allow for such thing.How many times have we seen guys in great shape better theen the guys in the top 3-6 but yest never get compared?TOO FUKIN MANY.
LEE YOU CALLED I ANSWERED :)
Think about this....listen to what Lee is saying.....he is going out on a limb here competing against UNKNOWS who might beat him....Lee is taking a big chance here.
Lee has more to lose than ANYONE in the PDI, a guy we never heard of from overseas might be a freak that would have been overlooked in the IFBB....and come to NY and WIN.
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Not to mention it is against the rules ...........
I didn't know this... That is interesting because everyone knows Ronnie always does this and he always wins.
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Well pro wrestling is classified as "sports Entertainment" not competition. even when Vince, Hulk, HHH or anyone involved refers to it as Sports Entertainment.
This was done for tax purposes. Vince realized that by classifying whatever he does as 'entertainment' (fun, fixed outcomes) and not sports (variable outcomes) he would lose a lot less revenue to taxes. Pretty good move.
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He is queer.
Anyone can claim to be "queer" on the internet ::)
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...DeMilia said himself his federation will be a return to real true aesthetic, symmetrical bodybuilding physiques... ...We're talking about lean, balanced, proportioned physiques, like a return to the 80's and early 90's before insulin and GH became the norm.
If this were really true, why is Jack London in the PDI? ::)
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If this were really true, why is Jack London in the PDI? ::)
Because the PDI is full of crap? ;D
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Galanti, you could even win your class at the nationals or US and u think you have a chance in hell of beating priest? LOL
PDI is going to be filled with guys like rhino.. and a guy like priest or richard jones is gonna mop the floor with you guys..
It's gonna be like having Michael Jordan playing against highschoolers....
btw? Onlyme, PDI hasnt even had one show yet! So before u talk about how they are paying more than most IFBB shows, lets wait and see what happens first...
ps- You never answered my question.. In your avatar, which one are you? The ugly fat hairy beast, or the bear? ;D
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Think about this....listen to what Lee is saying.....he is going out on a limb here competing against UNKNOWS who might beat him....Lee is taking a big chance here.
Lee has more to lose than ANYONE in the PDI, a guy we never heard of from overseas might be a freak that would have been overlooked in the IFBB....and come to NY and WIN.
Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
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I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
But an amateur that places dead last and gets laughed off stage would still be allowed back in the NPC wouldn't they?
Just think of the marketing opportunities for yourself Vince, double the humiliation exposure
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Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
Vince, how do you think you would stack up in the PDI ? Looks like all you need is to pull out some water.
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Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
...ummm, let me get this straight...aren't you that skinny runt who invented the not-so magic stick?
Who the hell are you to be issuing warnings (or a side of fries, for that matter) to ANYONE?
You gotta be a complete jackass to think your opinion is valid on this, or ANY bodybuiliding matter.
What a joke!
Go back to 'the lab' and invent yourself a way to stop looking like a true Gentleman's Idiot.
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Think about this....listen to what Lee is saying.....he is going out on a limb here competing against UNKNOWS who might beat him....Lee is taking a big chance here.
Lee has more to lose than ANYONE in the PDI, a guy we never heard of from overseas might be a freak that would have been overlooked in the IFBB....and come to NY and WIN.
This is so true.Anyone could show up and win.And could win a IFBB show if given the chance but we know how that goes don't we.
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Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
Hey if i am off Vinnie could beat me anyone can.The IFBB had to start somewhere and they did so why so negative on the PDI?
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All you guys that issue warnings (Vince) stfu. Nothing happens by taking the "safe" route. Who gives a shit if these pros get blackballed. They get fucked over contest by contest for what? NOTHING. The top guys will leave the IFBB when they see what they can make in the PDI. And you know what The Denis wolfs of the world will get a shot to get judged fairly. How the f**k would you know what would work in a BB show or origination. You look like refried dogshit. Seriously if you're account is not a gimmick and you are an actual person how the hell do you get out of bed in the morning?
The IFBB is a joke. They treat there athletes like shit and handfuls of great physiques get totally overlooked or blatantly screwed. Hell if a handfull of guys are making money in the sport and the rest losing it... What the heck does an athlete have to lose??? NOTHING
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You guys are stupid. What sense does it make when you ask Vinny if he is serious that he thinks he can beat Lee. You can say that to all the competitors who compete in the Olympia against Ronnie. Of course they don't think they can beat him (except maybe Jay) but does that mean they just don't compete. DO you think all the guys in the show last weekend thought they were actually going to take 1st place. Most of the time any competitor is competing because he thinks he will win, but in BB I really don't think every guy comes into a show thinking he even has a chance.
You guys make half-assed stabs at Vinnie who before joining the PDI was a National champion and Rhino was a Champion BB too. Frey would have easily placed in the top 5 at the show last weekend.
And I am the hairy one.
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Galanti, you could even win your class at the nationals or US and u think you have a chance in hell of beating priest? LOL
PDI is going to be filled with guys like rhino.. and a guy like priest or richard jones is gonna mop the floor with you guys..
It's gonna be like having Michael Jordan playing against highschoolers....
btw? Onlyme, PDI hasnt even had one show yet! So before u talk about how they are paying more than most IFBB shows, lets wait and see what happens first...
ps- You never answered my question.. In your avatar, which one are you? The ugly fat hairy beast, or the bear? ;D
Well lets see Sean was bragging for months he was giving away the 3rd most money and his show had never taken place. What is the difference. It's going to happen, just face it. You IFBB suck-ups are going to be coming to the shows so you might as well support it. The hype for the PDI has been tremendous as has the support. Do you honestly thnk after more than 20 years of promting the largest and most pretisous bodybuilding in the world Wayne won't have all his ducks in a row for this show and the others. He might not have got it off the ground the first time but it was the timing. Everything is in the timinbg and the timing is right now. The IFBB is at its worse and it will get worse. One show already has cancelled and a good chance two others are cancelling (mark this post). I am not making it up I am hearing it from the actual promoters. So yea we will see but i hope the guys who bad mouth the PDI will come around once the ball starts rolling.
AND VINCE HOW MANY TIMES AND BY HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAE TO HEAR IT FROM, BUT YOU NEED TO STFU CAUSE YOU REALLY TALK OUT OF YOUR ASS.
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there are plenty of IFBB shows that ARENT putting people in the seats.. and these bber's are the top guys in the world... i do not see how an organization filled with MOSTLY nobody's is going to do better than the IFBB?
That is like saying some new start up organization filled with NHL rejects is going to draw more popularity than the actual NHL....
I wouldnt consider myself an IFBB suck up at all... I've been to a few local shows and been to the Mr. O once before... I plan to go to the O again sometime, but i certainly wouldnt spend my money to see Rhino and Galanti on stage.... lol
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can't f'ing believe the negative backlash at pdi...WAKE UP MORONS!!...Its the best thing to happen to bb since the barbell.Do you realize that ifbb was (is) running a ,momopoly that best served only it's own interests?...a lotta athlets got fucked up the arse not just lee, anyone that challenged ifbb had to be put back into place. you want better bodybuilding? more pleasing to the eye standards?....WANT TRUE BODYBUILDERS?...Then welcome PDI or any competition for that matter. Stop insulting the new athletes, try to find out more about them, get to knoe them...some of this JOES might just be the next big superstar. AND THANK YOU LEE FOR NOT KEEPING YOUR BIG FUCKING MOUTH SHUT! Bodybuilders in general need to grab their balls and stand up for their rights.thank u
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why the hatred for the PDI? The fans get more options, the athletes make more money, and supp vendors like youself now have to pay LESS for a table at events.
Do you have beef with Wayne DeMilia, or is it something else? Most ppl welcome a little competition. the only people talking trash are those with a vested interest in the IFBB.
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Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
Jack.....i won the Jr USA the Jr Nationals and my class at the USA.....yes the last show was 5th at the nationals after a few years break.....I NEVER said I will beat Lee....i'm just doing my thing bro
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All the criticism is like the new kid on the block that all the guys are afraid the girls are going to like.
Talk a bunch of shit because they are afraid the new guy just might succeed at there expense.
If the IFBB is so great, so fair, so uncorrupted and so profitable for the athletes then they will have NOTHING to worry about.
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We should be wishing the PDI good luck!
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All the criticism is like the new kid on the block that all the guys are afraid the girls are going to like.
Talk a bunch of shit because they are afraid the new guy just might succeed at there expense.
If the IFBB is so great, so fair, so uncorrupted and so profitable for the athletes then they will have NOTHING to worry about.
Good Post. It is so funny how some of these guys are refusing to accept that a new and better BB organization IS here and WILL be successful. Sit back and enjoy the show. Cause you sure won't at any IFBB show but the Arnold. And who knows where that will be in the next couple years. It too could become a PDI show. Remember Wayne is already involved with them and made them some good coin with the PPV fights.
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Good Post. It is so funny how some of these guys are refusing to accept that a new and better BB organization IS here and WILL be successful. Sit back and enjoy the show. Cause you sure won't at any IFBB show but the Arnold. And who knows where that will be in the next couple years. It too could become a PDI show. Remember Wayne is already involved with them and made them some good coin with the PPV fights.
oK, Naustrodamas ::)
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Good Post. It is so funny how some of these guys are refusing to accept that a new and better BB organization IS here and WILL be successful. Sit back and enjoy the show. Cause you sure won't at any IFBB show but the Arnold. And who knows where that will be in the next couple years. It too could become a PDI show. Remember Wayne is already involved with them and made them some good coin with the PPV fights.
Kieth of all people would know since he has promoted shows and delt with IFBB athletes and organizations at various times. Sad thing is the IFBB had the opportunity to run basically a monopoly which if they had just kept there officials and athletes happy probably would never have been challenged. Well Maybe challenged but loyalty to them would previal. fact is 95 percent of the pros are jsut WAITING to see the PDI succede and if it does ireviderchi IFBB.
The IFBB will be wishing the did more when the competitors start to succeed. Nothing lasts forever and what swings one way will inevitably swing the other.
I hope the PDI succeeds just to teach the IFBB a lesson.
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Vince, you're a great bodybuilder but do you seriously think you have a chance against Lee Priest?"???
Honestly, you haven't earned the right to even be a pro. You placed 5th at the Nationals last time. You couldn't beat my friend Charles who's only been competing for just 3 years. You've never even been a RUNNER-UP at the Nationals or the USA for that matter. I'm sorry I have to say this but that's the facts. I honestly cannot see how you were elected a PDI pro. Why don't you simply finish your career in the NPC and move on to greener pastures.
Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
NO CHANCE IN HELL AS VINCE MCMAHAN WOULD SAY AND IT WILL END UP JUST LIKE HIS ORGANIZATION
I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED. ANY AMATEUR WHO WINS A PDI EVENT FOR MONEY WILL BE CONSIDERED NO LONGER AN AMATEUR ATHLETE AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED BACK INTO THE NPC THUS THE SAME OUTCOME...BLACKBALLED
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY
LOL....
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I know right!!!!! Vince giving us all a warning lol.....
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I know right!!!!! Vince giving us all a warning lol.....
Vince is GREAT....LOL
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LOL....
I take it Vince didn't do his research ;D
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I take it Vince didn't do his research ;D
yea man....i won my weight class in 3 national shows....lol
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Vince is GREAT....LOL
Vinnie please go compete in the IFBB where you are treated like shit, overlooked and paid dirt
The PDI is for fools!!!!! Fools I tell ya!!!
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yea man....i won my weight class in 3 national shows....lol
He needs to hire a research assistant :D
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I'M ISSUING THIS WARNING ONE MORE TIME. ANY IFBB PRO WHO COMPETES IN THE PDI WILL BE BLACKBALLED AND THEIR CAREERS WILL BE FINISHED.
On whose authority are you issuing this warning, Vince?
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On whose authority are you issuing this warning, Vince?
INVINCEABLE
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On whose authority are you issuing this warning, Vince?
I'm just passing along a message.....that's all. Nothing else
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I'm just passing along a message.....that's all. Nothing else
Message from whom? ???
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Bob is right. There is NO GOOD TALENT IN THE PDI. It is going to be the butt of all jokes when the first show starts. No website, no actual marketing, no bodybuilders really worth seeing. And don't say Lee Priest. He's doing it to get a load of money and pay off the IRS back taxes he owes which doesn't make sense seeing as he could make more in the IFBB.
Vince, what is your motivation for making statements bashing the PDI?
Financial? Are you being paid to say this? Full disclosure of your personal involvement would make you sound more credible.
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Vince, what is your motivation for making statements bashing the PDI?
Financial? Are you being paid to say this? Full disclosure of your personal involvement would make you sound more credible.
I have no financial ties whatsoever to the IFBB or NPC. I'm just being a friend in keeping people from making a very big mistake
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I have no financial ties whatsoever to the IFBB or NPC. I'm just being a friend in keeping people from making a very big mistake
Your not my friend BUD
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Your not my friend BUD
Nothing personal bro.
I'm done with what I had to say. I will not comment further on this matter.
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Nothing personal bro.
I'm done with what I had to say. I will not comment further on this matter.
oh Darn
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If only your momma had a friend like that to prevent her from humping the schmoe that produced you.
Yea Vince where your friends that one dreadful day you were conceived. They could have prevented all the shit you went through growing up and now as an adult.