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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
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What a rebel!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????
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This thread will be more than 9 pages...
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
Why don`t they suspend YOU for violating the IFBB drug Policy? That is a rule too.
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Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why don`t they suspend YOU for violating the IFBB drug Policy? That is a rule too.
AMEN!
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why post this? simple because you're trying to scare other guys into not competing for the PDI. This is no one elses business but thiers and the IFBB's, if anything an officail statement shoudl have been made on the IFBB's official site not in a thread on a BB board...but then the IFBB wouldn't be doing what it intended which was scare guys away from having anything to do with the PDI. Typical.
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DRUG TESTING CONSENT1.That the IFBB has the right to conduct drug testing at this Event, pursuant to the IFBB Anti-Doping Rules. 2.That if I am selected for drug testing, I will cooperate fully with the drug testing officials at all times and will, under the directobservation of a witness, provide a sample of my urine without undue delay.3.That if I am subsequently found guilty of an Anti-Doping Rule Violation, I will respect and abide by the relevant rules and regulations governing results management, including those pertaining to hearings and appeals. 4.That I accept sole responsibility to remain current with the rules and regulations governing this Event, including the IFBBAnti-Doping Rules, which I acknowledge are made available online at www.IFBB.com. 5.That I do hereby declare and make oath that I am competing in this Event free from Prohibited Substances and ProhibitedMethods
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On a side note, Jabes is enjoying the most popularity ever in his career....
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I'm not thinkin Lee cares very much about the suspension.....he's on vacation now LOL!!
So Lee, go get a big bucket of KFC, a pitcher of beer and kick your feet up.
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why post this? simple because you're trying to scare other guys into not competing for the PDI. This is no one elses business but thiers and the IFBB's, if anything an officail statement shoudl have been made on the IFBB's official site not in a thread on a BB board...but then the IFBB wouldn't be doing what it intended which was scare guys away from having anything to do with the PDI. Typical.
Yes, but this will only solidify other ifbb guys to come over, this is how they are treated. PDI says we can compete anywhere we want.
Lee, I have a team of attorneys for you, just say the word.
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why post this? simple because you're trying to scare other guys into not competing for the PDI. This is no one elses business but thiers and the IFBB's, if anything an officail statement shoudl have been made on the IFBB's official site not in a thread on a BB board...but then the IFBB wouldn't be doing what it intended which was scare guys away from having anything to do with the PDI. Typical.
I would say Bob posted it to inform us.
People have been screeching down his throat for the info, he got it so he passed it on.
On another note - this thread will be long as hell, and the whole drama will be great marketing for Valentine Jabes...as I, for one, had never heard of the guy before ;)
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i dont think it should come as any suprise to anyone that they got suspended...of course the ifbb is not going to allow any of its athletes to compete in a non sanctioned event.
the npc has that same policy.
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why post this? simple because you're trying to scare other guys into not competing for the PDI. This is no one elses business but thiers and the IFBB's, if anything an officail statement shoudl have been made on the IFBB's official site not in a thread on a BB board...but then the IFBB wouldn't be doing what it intended which was scare guys away from having anything to do with the PDI. Typical.
It's posted because it's been the number one topic on this board for many months now. News is news...an official statement has been made...I condensed it for obvious purposes. If you don't like it,don't read it or participate in the thread...
BTW...whats the "scare tactic"? Everyone knows what the rules are..you think Lee is surprised?
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LOL, very true Adam. Personally, though, I am more disturbed by those stories about Bob drinking protein from the tap back in the day, not to mention some other more horrid gay banging tales...
HAHHAHAH ME TOO!
Update #1]
IFBB President Ben Weider took the first step in a renewed fight against doping by officially signing the WADA Code Acceptance Form on November 12, 2003. In so doing, the IFBB became a Signatory to the WADA Code.
[Update #2]
From April 2004 to January 2005, the IFBB worked closely with WADA in order to conform the IFBB Anti-Doping Program to the provisions of the WADA Code. On January 26, 2005, WADA stated in part, " ... the rules as presented to us implement the Code as such for your amateur division ..." Thus, the next step in the process of full implementation of the WADA Code is complete.
[Update #3]
On November 27, 2005, at its annual general meeting in Shanghai, China, the IFBB Executive Council and IFBB International Congress amended the IFBB Constitution by inserting a new Article 22 on Doping:
22.1 Position Statement: The practice of sport involves physical health and fitness, dedication to training, and proper nutrition. Doping, which includes the use of Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods to artificially enhance performance, is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes. The practice of doping is forbidden within the IFBB.
22.2 World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Code: The IFBB officially recognizes the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) as the international authority in anti-doping matters. The IFBB is an official Signatory to the WADA Code and, by means of the IFBB Anti-Doping Rules, conforms to the provisions of the WADA Code.
22.3 Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS): The IFBB officially recognizes the authority of the International Council of Arbitration for Sport (ICAS) and the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).
Further, at this same meeting, the IFB Executive Council and IFBB International Congress adopted new IFBB Anti-Doping Rules and agreed to implement a new In- and Out-of-Competition doping control program as follows:
PROPOSITION #3 (Adopted)
Be it resolved that, in keeping with the decision made by the IFBB Executive Council on November 6, 2003, and by the IFBB Congress on November 9, 2003, in Mumbai, India; said decision which stated:
”Be it resolved that the IFBB shall take steps to adopt the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Code. Further, once the WADA Code is formally adopted, the IFBB shall take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that its anti-doping program is in full compliance with the Code.”
the IFBB adopt the new IFBB Anti-Doping Rules, Version 1.0, and further, that said rules shall have force and effect as of January 1, 2006. *these Anti-Doping Rules are based on the WADA “Models of Best Practice” and are intended to replace the current IFBB Anti-Doping Program.
PROPOSITION #4 (Adopted)
Be it resolved that In-Competition testing be carried out as follows:
1. RANDOM:
A number of athletes selected at random during the Competition e.g. at Weigh-in.
2. WEIGHTED:
A number of athletes selected at random from among the Top Finalists e.g. at the Finals.
*Note: The IFBB reserves the right to conduct Target Testing
PROPOSITION #5 (Adopted)
Be in resolved that Out-of-Competition testing be carried out in 2007 from a Registered Athlete Testing Pool, said Pool which shall be established in 2006 from among the Top Finalists at all IFBB World Championships.
[Update #4]
On April 1, 2006, IFBB Anti-Doping Directive 2006-001 takes effect; the directive provides comprehensive guidelines on Result Management, Hearings and Appeals.
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to me the ifbb doing this makes me think they are worried that the pdi may one day give them some competion. Oh well if you think you can take them to court lee go for it but, I don't think it will do much good.
What is your case Lee ?
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I would say Bob posted it to inform us.
People have been screeching down his throat for the info, he got it so he passed it on.
On another note - this thread will be long as hell, and the whole drama will be great marketing for Valentine Jabes...as I, for one, had never heard of the guy before ;)
everyone knows Lee would get suspended there is already another thread about this, this is a scare tactic. Plain and simple. They did the same thing to the WBF back in the day, now expect some lame nicname for the PDI like the wbf had "we bore fans" and it'll be all over flex for years...just wait.
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
Let the off-season diet officially start!!!
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Since when has Lee ever completely followed "the rules"?
All I've ever seen is that contracts and rules are just pieces of paper and items on those pieces of paper. If Lee signs a contract to compete and decides the night before the show that he ain't competing, then he doesn't compete. If Lee decides he's gonna compete "somewhere he isn't supposed to" he does anyway.
I can guaran-damn-tee he doesn't lose a minute of sleep over it.
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" you cant go play over there or we are going to ground you and put you in time out", blah blah blah.... stupid ass rule... In a billion dollar + industry and your bb's have to go over to another federation to make some money. It seems to me the bb's are a bunch of side show circus acts where everyone else is making money but them.
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Hey Bob,
thanks for deleting my 4 posts on this thread already. You're a true sport who has a sense of humor... ;)
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Chick is the IFBB athlete's rep, if he says there is a suspension, I'm sure thats the official word
If I were a competitive pro, I'd like the ability for more freedom with competing, guest appearances and other professional endeavors that would put $ in my pocket. Seems to me a rule like this shouldn't exist (1.7)
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How long is this suspension for?
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Bottom line: Lee does what's best for Lee and screw the rest.
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It's posted because it's been the number one topic on this board for many months now. News is news...an official statement has been made...I condensed it for obvious purposes. If you don't like it,don't read it or participate in the thread...
BTW...whats the "scare tactic"? Everyone knows what the rules are..you think Lee is surprised?
you know good and well what it is. The IFBB could have just put it on thier site and that would be that but there are gonna be threads about this-started by you or someone else from the IFBB-all over the net now so everytime a pro goes on a BB board it'll be there right in front of thier faces, constant reminder. Constantly in thier face. If the PDI is such a shit org. why is the IFBB scared of it? Why selectively follow the rules just to nail people for it?
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Chick is the IFBB athlete's rep, if he says there is a suspension, I'm sure thats the official word
If I were a competitive pro, I'd like the ability for more freedom with competing, guest appearances and other professional endeavors that would put $ in my pocket. Seems to me a rule like this shouldn't exist (1.7)
...and that rule has been challenged in my 2006 proposals I've submitted. It will be voted on in the upcoming IFBB meeting on Olympia weekend.
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Bob,
why are you deleting posts that make jokes at you when they're made in good fun?
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
fucking gayer then your entire shirt collection. I hope the ifbb bigwiggs die in a corporate orgy fest
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Why don`t they suspend YOU for violating the IFBB drug Policy? That is a rule too.
Because they would have to test first.
I will tell you this though.
Ben Weider has signed an agreement with WADA, it's all on the IFBB website.
From what I understand, this agreement will actually allow WADA to test any IFBB athlete in or out of competition, just as they would any athlete in a sports federation that is in an agreement with WADA.
If the athlete tests positive, or refuses to give a sample, there will be an automatic 24 month suspension.
Why WADA isn't testing, is probably due to limited funds.
But again, IFBB has a very tough policy on steroids. It's just that they don't test at all.
YIP
Zack
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you know good and well what it is. The IFBB could have just put it on thier site and that would be that but there are gonna be threads about this-started by you or someone else from the IFBB-all over the net now so everytime a pro goes on a BB board it'll be there right in front of thier faces, constant reminder. Constantly in thier face. If the PDI is such a shit org. why is the IFBB scared of it? Why selectively follow the rules just to nail people for it?
Bro...everyone in the IFBB knows the rules all too well...this isn't something they've added recently. The pro's don't need a "reminder".
Lee himself would post it...he doesn't care. This isn't a secret, it's open to the public and updates people that frequent this site, as to what the current status is of the situation...plain and simple.
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
Bob you can be a real tool sometimes.
This shit needs to be kept behind office doors. Not exclaimed on a public website. What is the reason of this post? Is it to show your upper hand over all the other Pros? Is it to rub it in the face of said Pros?
What kiddy shit this is....
Very professionally done!!
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It will be voted on in the upcoming IFBB meeting on Olympia weekend.
Who gets to vote? All IFBB pros?
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Chick is the IFBB athlete's rep, if he says there is a suspension, I'm sure thats the official word
If I were a competitive pro, I'd like the ability for more freedom with competing, guest appearances and other professional endeavors that would put $ in my pocket. Seems to me a rule like this shouldn't exist (1.7)
Well said. It's sad, really. These competitors love bodybuilding. It's something they all share in their hearts. But the sad fact is this multi-million dollar industry pays them so that the lower placing bodybuilders are better off working at Burger King (it's not even funny because it's true).
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What's the surprise?
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Who gets to vote? All IFBB pros?
No...it's presented to the Board of Governors (IFBB commision) and voted on. We can't make our own rules (unfortunately).lol..
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How long is this suspension for?
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No...it's presented to the Board of Governors (IFBB commision) and voted on. We can't make our own rules (unfortunately).lol..
How does one go about getting a seat on the Board of Governors?
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I wonder how much fried chicken Lee's gonna eat on his vacation?
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Bob,
If the majority of IFBB Pros told you they would like the ability to compete in shows other than IFBB shows, would you petition the IFBB to change the rule?
Special "Team IFBB: World Police" Ed
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fucking gayer then your entire shirt collection. I hope the ifbb bigwiggs die in a corporate orgy fest
well put. say goodnight to the ifbb if this goes to court. i am pretty sure this is what Lee wanted, but hopefully he will speak on this when he is able to. If this gets any investigative reporting bbing is going to be dragged through the mud like we never imagined >:(
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I believe it's indefinate, until the hearing...then I believe it would get ruled on based on the outcome of the hearing....meaning, it could be 6 months, 1 year, lifetime, etc...
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Bob,
If the majority of IFBB Pros told you they would like the ability to compete in shows other than IFBB shows, would you petition the IFBB to change the rule?
Special "Team IFBB: World Police" Ed
Yes...I've already stated this many times.
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He can appeal his decision and if he begs like a dog, they may let him back in the house after a respectable fine. Maybe they might hire Wayne back to do that NOC graveyard scene with the WBF lifters
In the meantime, that dog will stay outside in the backyard like the mangy mutt he is.
Lee Priest decided to take a show not for any IFBB pro or to change. He did it to make fast buck knowing good and well that he could beat up on some amatuer bodybuilders. That's inexcusable in my opinion and he should have enough professionalism for himself and the sport of bodybuilding and not degrade the intergrity.
Lee, have fun watching REAL PROFESSIONALS WITH REAL COMPETITION COMPETE AT THE OLYMPIA....if you're even allowed in there
Loser
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I believe it's indefinate, until the hearing...then I believe it would get ruled on based on the outcome of the hearing....meaning, it could be 6 months, 1 year, lifetime, etc...
Thanks
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if lee is banned for life, does that mean he'll be ineligible for the hall of fame like pete rose?
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Well said. It's sad, really. These competitors love bodybuilding. It's something they all share in their hearts. But the sad fact is this multi-million dollar industry pays them so that the lower placing bodybuilders are better off working at Burger King (it's not even funny because it's true).
After awhile the PDI is going to have contests all over the country. All this does is gives the competitors more shows to enter so they can make more money. The IFBB has a few contest going on in the US and maybe some of the competitors can't make it to the IFBB shows because of the cost. Now if a PDI show comes to town and they can enter it and make money they should be able to do that. I am sure the competitors would compete more often if their was more money available.
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I believe it's indefinate, until the hearing...then I believe it would get ruled on based on the outcome of the hearing....meaning, it could be 6 months, 1 year, lifetime, etc...
Oh, there's gonna be a hearing, I'm sure multiple hearings, only the Ifbb won't be overseeing it, they will be the defendant in it.
You guys have no idea the magnatude of what you are starting. Mark my words, constitutionally, you have no right to stop a person from earining an income in their chosen profession. This is historical, and will mark the beginning of the end of they way things have been handled.
By the way Chick, I know you hate me and all, but I do understand that you are just the messenger in this. No hard feelings to you.
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Lets face it, Lee could never have won the olympia, not with all the politics involved, especially since he's done such a good job of marginalizing himself. Judges dont like him and wont allow him to win any IFBB sanctioned pro shows. He probably got pissed off about this and realized he will never win first place again so he said fuck it, screw the chinks who are making this all happen, and go out in glory.
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Mark my words, constitutionally, you have no right to stop a person from earining an income in their chosen profession.
Supreme Court didn't see it that way re: Maurice Clarett.
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Oh, there's gonna be a hearing, I'm sure multiple hearings, only the Ifbb won't be overseeing it, they will be the defendant in it.
You guys have no idea the magnatude of what you are starting. Mark my words, constitutionally, you have no right to stop a person from earining an income in their chosen profession. This is historical, and will mark the beginning of the end of they way things have been handled.
By the way Chick, I know you hate me and all, but I do understand that you are just the messenger in this. No hard feelings to you.
In other words, Rhino's gonna kick your ass Bob.
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Jack, wake up dude, Bob has a much bigger hand in all this than you might think...
I can apreciate that you beileve that, but trust me when I tell you I know a little about these things.
Bob, can't burp without asking manion for permission. Thats why I don't respect.
Nobody controls me, I do what I want, make my own money, and can say my mind freely, without fear of recourse from anyone.
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I just hope Lee takes the IFBB to court. Guaranteed this will put the IFBB in a very bad position. Their monopoly in the industry can easily be proved as well as many other federal violations. God I hope Wayne gets supeoned to court. The IFBB won't be worth much then. It took 40+ years but finally the IFBB will be put straight. What will the courtroom look like with IFBB pros on the witness stand under oath saying they don't take steroids. Canseco and the other ball players could get away with it but can you imagine Ronnie trying to fit in the chair and telling the judge he doesn't use steroids cause the IFBB has strict rules against it. Oh my! And the investigation over their unpaid taxes for decades is going to be awesome. You might see your dues going up Chic to about $10,000 a year. They are going to need it to pay attorney fees and fines. Get em Lee and don't back down.
This will be a great way to pick up sponsors cause you are going to be on every major program talking about this. THIS IS GREAT!
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Good News. it's about time the IFBB put that little putz in his place. Lee got what he deseverd and I hope he never competes in the IFBB again.
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Jack, I know a little about these things too. Enough to know that Bob is playing a much bigger role in this than he is letting on. I grant you that there will be a court battle of perhaps epic proportions, all i was saying is that bob is covering his ass.
Yeah, you are probably right.
Bottom line kids....The Constitution states that you cannot stop any man, from earning an income in their chosen profession.
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Bottom line kids....The Constitution states that you cannot stop any man, from earning an income in their chosen profession.
Agreed 100%
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Good News. it's about time the IFBB put that little putz in his place. Lee got what he deseverd and I hope he never competes in the IFBB again.
I think you are alone with that opinion.
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I just hope Lee takes the IFBB to court. Guaranteed this will put the IFBB in a very bad position. Their monopoly in the industry can easily be proved as well as many other federal violations. God I hope Wayne gets supeoned to court. The IFBB won't be worth much then. It took 40+ years but finally the IFBB will be put straight. What will the courtroom look like with IFBB pros on the witness stand under oath saying they don't take steroids. Canseco and the other ball players could get away with it but can you imagine Ronnie trying to fit in the chair and telling the judge he doesn't use steroids cause the IFBB has strict rules against it. Oh my! And the investigation over their unpaid taxes for decades is going to be awesome. You might see your dues going up Chic to about $10,000 a year. They are going to need it to pay attorney fees and fines. Get em Lee and don't back down.
This will be a great way to pick up sponsors cause you are going to be on every major program talking about this. THIS IS GREAT!
Actually, I have been spending a lot of time researching this topic, and interviewing a couple of attorneys. I'm thinking this could get very interesting......
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After awhile the PDI is going to have contests all over the country.
How about you make it to the second show before spewing more of your banter Keith. ;)
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Actually, I have been spending a lot of time researching this topic, and interviewing a couple of attorneys. I'm thinking this could get very interesting......
What's your take on it so far, based on your research? Lee comes out on top?
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Lee's gonna win so much money he'll never run outta KFC!!
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Apparently the people that run the IFBB feel the same way.
Lee priest acts like the rules don't apply to him.
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It's posted because it's been the number one topic on this board for many months now. News is news...an official statement has been made...I condensed it for obvious purposes. If you don't like it,don't read it or participate in the thread...
BTW...whats the "scare tactic"? Everyone knows what the rules are..you think Lee is surprised?
As the athletes rep, what are you doing to help Priest and Jabes fight this injustice? Don't you feel that bodybuilders should be free to compete as they please, Bob? Are you willing to supprort them as their rep in their appeal?
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I can apreciate that you beileve that, but trust me when I tell you I know a little about these things.
Bob, can't burp without asking manion for permission. Thats why I don't respect.
Nobody controls me, I do what I want, make my own money, and can say my mind freely, without fear of recourse from anyone.
And that's great for you outside of bodybuilding, but we all know you could never make a decent living off of bodybuilding at all. Lee, Frey, and Sami are the only ones who really had anything at stake by entering the NOC. Chick is one of the smartest pros in the business as far as making good career decisions that allow him to live off of going to the gym for an hour or two a day, I can respect that ;)
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Yeah, you are probably right.
Bottom line kids....The Constitution states that you cannot stop any man, from earning an income in their chosen profession.
You're absolutely right, Jack....
But there is no law on earth that mandates you have to make your living in the IFBB, when there are plenty of other Pro organizations to compete in...NABBA, WABBA, PDI, etc.
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Actually, I have been spending a lot of time researching this topic, and interviewing a couple of attorneys. I'm thinking this could get very interesting......
Just got off the phone with larry h parker.... chick your going down..
next you'll see lee's ass on the commercial "larry paker got me 2.1 million"!!!!
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
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As the athletes rep, what are you doing to help Priest and Jabes fight this injustice? Don't you feel that bodybuilders should be free to compete as they please, Bob? Are you willing to supprort them as their rep in their appeal?
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At this time, I've not been contacted by Lee or Valentin for any help....
If they do contact me, I'd be more than happy to assist them in any way possible, or with any advices...
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Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
Arent you supposed to be on vacation right now? Go drink it up dude and enjoy yourself, dont waste your time in this shithole like the rest of us!
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Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
there you go. This should be an internal issue not plastered all over BB sites. I still say its' a scare tactic.
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Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
Don`t worry about these fucking guys Lee,
Car racing and Krispy Kremes are better anyways.
Fuck em.
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Why don`t they suspend YOU for violating the IFBB drug Policy? That is a rule too.
Adonis, don't even bother. The IFBB is a sad joke. No one outside of bodybuilding even know it exists.
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Don`t worry about these fucking guys Lee,
I am purposely not going to mention those rumors about Bob's gay bashes back in the day because I know it will get deleted, lol
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you know good and well what it is. The IFBB could have just put it on thier site and that would be that but there are gonna be threads about this-started by you or someone else from the IFBB-all over the net now so everytime a pro goes on a BB board it'll be there right in front of thier faces, constant reminder. Constantly in thier face. If the PDI is such a shit org. why is the IFBB scared of it? Why selectively follow the rules just to nail people for it?
Or they couldh have told me first but what's new?
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Adonis, don't even bother. The IFBB is a sad joke. No one outside of bodybuilding even know it exists.
I know it. I don`t think its will be around too much longer. Once Joe dies, Arnold will stop backing his competition and then it will crumble from there. At least that is what I have been told...
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Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
Thats horrible they would do it that way dude, really unprofessional. That just proves it is personal.
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Don`t worry about these fucking guys Lee,
Car racing and Krispy Kremes are better anyways.
f**k em.
Exactly race cars, eat donuts and hit KFC....enjoy your vacation!!
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Or they couldh have told me first but what's new?
Well...you wanted to know ASAP. I'm just saving you from MORE dieting...Give 'em hell, Lee!!
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No...it's presented to the Board of Governors (IFBB commision) and voted on. We can't make our own rules (unfortunately).lol..
And we as paying memebers ..why do we never get to vote on who is on this board?
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They should have told Lee first. Really, it should have been an official letter, but at the least a phone call would suffice
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I know it. I don`t think its will be around too much longer. Once Joe dies, Arnold will stop backing his competition and then it will crumble from there. At least that is what I have been told...
...by the little "voices" in your head??
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So to clairfy...
Lee learned about the suspension from an internet message board? Imagine if you found out you were getting fired on the local news. Monster professionalism.
And, the appeal date is 2 weeks after the Olympia? So, even if Lee wins, it's a moot point.
Keep one thing in mind, Chicky. A trapped animal is the most dangerous kind. There were diplomatic ways to resolve this - and a last minute message board suspension with zero appealibility leaves Lee with one, and only one, option: legal remedy.
it's sad to see how many great organizations take unnecessary hits because of ego. Diplomacy is a lost art, it seems.
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He can appeal his decision and if he begs like a dog, they may let him back in the house after a respectable fine. Maybe they might hire Wayne back to do that NOC graveyard scene with the WBF lifters
In the meantime, that dog will stay outside in the backyard like the mangy mutt he is.
Lee Priest decided to take a show not for any IFBB pro or to change. He did it to make fast buck knowing good and well that he could beat up on some amatuer bodybuilders. That's inexcusable in my opinion and he should have enough professionalism for himself and the sport of bodybuilding and not degrade the intergrity.
Lee, have fun watching REAL PROFESSIONALS WITH REAL COMPETITION COMPETE AT THE OLYMPIA....if you're even allowed in there
Loser
Ah hope to see you there as well.
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Well...you wanted to know ASAP. I'm just saving you from MORE dieting...Give 'em hell, Lee!!
Dude,
Lee employs the use of certain Adonis Principles when dieting,mainly Krispy Kreme, you need to realize that he does not have to diet per se.
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Lee looked at his all time best at the NOC!! Its a shame that the IFBB would not let him do the Olympia. Lee is a genetic freak!!
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Actually, I have been spending a lot of time researching this topic, and interviewing a couple of attorneys. I'm thinking this could get very interesting......
Oh it will
THE CAN HAS JUST BEEN OPENDED..........LET THE REAL FUN BEGIN :)
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Dude,
Lee employs the use of certain Adonis Principles when dieting,mainly Krispy Kreme, you need to realize that he does not have to diet per se.
Exactly, TA has really mastered the art of the bb diet! His preparation for the Mr. Getbig is inspirational!!
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And, the appeal date is 2 weeks after the Olympia? So, even if Lee wins, it's a moot point.
Lee has already said that he would not be competing at the Olympia.
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Is this a joke??? How can you post on a internet GOSSIP BOARD about a suspension??? This is a serious matter, a personal matter. If Lee's choses to share it with others he will do it on HIS own time.
Best of luck Lee.. there are thousands out there supporting you and your efforts for the rights of the athletes and the progress (which is dead stale right now) of our sport.
:o
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At this time, I've not been contacted by Lee or Valentin for any help....
If they do contact me, I'd be more than happy to assist them in any way possible, or with any advices...
OK Bob i am contacting you now and as this thing is public knowledge before i got the news.Tell me and all how you will help me?When is my hearing time,place, etc.........
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Oh it will
THE CAN HAS JUST BEEN OPENDED..........LET THE REAL FUN BEGIN :)
I smell some serious ownings a comin!!!!
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So to clairfy...
Lee learned about the suspension from an internet message board? Imagine if you found out you were getting fired on the local news. Monster professionalism.
And, the appeal date is 2 weeks after the Olympia? So, even if Lee wins, it's a moot point.
Keep one thing in mind, Chicky. A trapped animal is the most dangerous kind. There were diplomatic ways to resolve this - and a last minute message board suspension with zero appealibility leaves Lee with one, and only one, option: legal remedy.
it's sad to see how many great organizations take unnecessary hits because of ego. Diplomacy is a lost art, it seems.
No, the IFBB has sent lee an official notification...I decided to let him know via the internet ASAP, as I don't want him lingering and thinking he might not be suspended...no reason to continue dieting, or keep his hopes up any further.
Last minute would have been notifying him at the athletes meeting on wed night in Vegas...I don't want to see that...Lee and I may jab at each other on the boards in good fun, but I consider him a friend of mine and did all I could to get him a quick asnwer...
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Well...you wanted to know ASAP. I'm just saving you from MORE dieting...Give 'em hell, Lee!!
Funny Bob i spoke to Jim he said nothing he has my number.Did he call ? NO Good old IFBB ........IFBB TITANIC..I FEEL THE STERN LIFTING....
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Or they couldh have told me first but what's new?
wow!! they didnt tell you ahead of time, u had to read this on a forum to get notified.
Thats like breaking up with your girlfriend or boyfriend over an email, can you say chicken shit... This kind of information needs to be presented to the athelete first!
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Actually, I have been spending a lot of time researching this topic, and interviewing a couple of attorneys. I'm thinking this could get very interesting......
Do tell Romano.
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OK Bob i am contacting you now and as this thing is public knowledge before i got the news.Tell me and all how you will help me?When is my hearing time,place, etc.........
I'll PM the info to you if you want it...I stated the date on the post. I can help you with your appeal, if you want...or present it to the brass on your behalf. Call me later.
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No, the IFBB has sent lee an official notification...I decided to let him know via the internet ASAP, as I don't want him lingering and thinking he might not be suspended...no reason to continue dieting, or keep his hopes up any further.
Last minute would have been notifying him at the athletes meeting on wed night in Vegas...I don't want to see that...Lee and I may jab at each other on the boards in good fun, but I consider him a friend of mine and did all I could to get him a quick asnwer...
Why didn't you telephone your good friend Lee and tell him?
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Funny Bob i spoke to Jim he said nothing he has my number.Did he call ? NO Good old IFBB ........IFBB TITANIC..I FEEL THE STERN LIFTING....
Lee,
What will you have us,the public, do to help?
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Is this a joke??? How can you post on a internet GOSSIP BOARD about a suspension??? This is a serious matter, a personal matter. If Lee's choses to share it with others he will do it on HIS own time.
Best of luck Lee.. there are thousands out there supporting you and your efforts for the rights of the athletes and the progress (which is dead stale right now) of our sport.
:o
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
YES I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HVE TOLD ME FIRST. THEN I WOULD HAVE COME ON HERE AND LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
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He can appeal his decision and if he begs like a dog, they may let him back in the house after a respectable fine. Maybe they might hire Wayne back to do that NOC graveyard scene with the WBF lifters
In the meantime, that dog will stay outside in the backyard like the mangy mutt he is.
Lee Priest decided to take a show not for any IFBB pro or to change. He did it to make fast buck knowing good and well that he could beat up on some amatuer bodybuilders. That's inexcusable in my opinion and he should have enough professionalism for himself and the sport of bodybuilding and not degrade the intergrity.
Lee, have fun watching REAL PROFESSIONALS WITH REAL COMPETITION COMPETE AT THE OLYMPIA....if you're even allowed in there
Loser
So I guess PROFEESIONAL POKER PLAYERS who play in tourneys are losers too? ::)
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Funny Bob i spoke to Jim he said nothing he has my number.Did he call ? NO Good old IFBB ........IFBB TITANIC..I FEEL THE STERN LIFTING....
Lee are you saying the the IFBB is a ship that has set sailed on a doomed passage similar to that of the (Tiny) tit-anic? And that the Front is in resemblance to Bob Chicks face where as the iceberg is a representation of the cock and balls of the almight weider. So much so that the stern lifting up is basically Chick going down on Weider? hahahahahah Gayer than Celine Dion hahahaha
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The IFBB has just been added to Lee's list of tiny tits!!
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No, the IFBB has sent lee an official notification...I decided to let him know via the internet ASAP, as I don't want him lingering and thinking he might not be suspended...no reason to continue dieting, or keep his hopes up any further.
Last minute would have been notifying him at the athletes meeting on wed night in Vegas...I don't want to see that...Lee and I may jab at each other on the boards in good fun, but I consider him a friend of mine and did all I could to get him a quick asnwer...
Bob thanks but you to have my number.No i am still dieting i have the English NOC Oct 22nd...4 seminars over there..then Barcelona Spain for Fitness expo and guest posing.....and back to Califonia for another Guest posing.Oh and Race on the 7th and 8th Oct.
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I'll PM the info to you if you want it...I stated the date on the post. I can help you with your appeal, if you want...or present it to the brass on your behalf. Call me later.
So a suspension costing lee tens of thousands of dollars - that's the kinda thing you can inform Lee of on getbig.com
But minor details like dates in October, we'd better keep those on the downlow. LOL...
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wow!! they didnt tell you ahead of time, u had to read this on a forum to get notified.
Thats like breaking up with your girlfriend or boyfriend over an email, can you say chicken shit... This kind of information needs to be presented to the athelete first!
Actually i was driving home from gym and Adela called to tell me.
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Actually i was driving home from gym and Adela called to tell me.
The Gym? I thought you didn't like to workout.
-Tommy/Golds Venice ;)
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Lee,
What will you have us,the public, do to help?
Letters,emails,phone calls....to the IFBB...AMI....LET THEM KNOW THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP.....AND FOR THE RECORD I FOLLOW RULES WHEN THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE AND ARE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE FAIR..
NOT THIS PICKING AND CHOOSING CRAP.
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Actually i was driving home from gym and Adela called to tell me.
Last number I have for you doesn't work...Adela PM'ed me for My number , so I could get YOUR number...
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The IFBB has just been added to Lee's list of tiny tits!!
I think it's the other way around MOS :-*
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Bob, do you regret posting on the board so that internet nerds in their basement knew long before Lee did?
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Letters,emails,phone calls....to the IFBB...AMI....LET THEM KNOW THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP.....AND FOR THE RECORD I FOLLOW RULES WHEN THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE AND ARE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE FAIR..
NOT THIS PICKING AND CHOOSING CRAP.
you got it lee, i got lots of contacts in this game. I will start now.
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No, the IFBB has sent lee an official notification...I decided to let him know via the internet ASAP, as I don't want him lingering and thinking he might not be suspended...no reason to continue dieting, or keep his hopes up any further.
Last minute would have been notifying him at the athletes meeting on wed night in Vegas...I don't want to see that...Lee and I may jab at each other on the boards in good fun, but I consider him a friend of mine and did all I could to get him a quick asnwer...
I retract the post I said about you Bob. As I was just like some of the noobs on here and thought you had an agenda and not seeing or understanding the whole picture before I inserted my foot, for that I'm sorry.
It is real sad to see a organization be so incompentent that there employees find info on a web site before they hear if from the horses mouth. You know with the technolgy out there I can understand why this would happen... ::)
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Actually i was driving home from gym and Adela called to tell me.
Still, like u said, bob has your phone #
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Bob, do you regret posting on the board so that internet nerds in their basement knew long before Lee did?
Bob you forgot to give everyone Vince Taylor's current balance in his checking account. Plus I forgot what I bought last month from BB.com, can you look that up too since you have that handy as well. oh yeah do you still accuse 240 of the Racist spam still ??? no ? maybe ...
hope this helps
Jaejonna
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I think it's the other way around MOS :-*
LOL!! Very well could be!
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you got it lee, i got lots of contacts in this game. I will start now.
oh brother here we go...people using this as a chance to promote themselves and brag about all the contacts they supposedly have in pro BBing. STFU loser, stop bragging and start acting as if you really DID have contacts.
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Letters,emails,phone calls....to the IFBB...AMI....LET THEM KNOW THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP.....AND FOR THE RECORD I FOLLOW RULES WHEN THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE AND ARE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE FAIR..
NOT THIS PICKING AND CHOOSING CRAP.
My letter is in the works right now. all 7 of of my friends AREN"T going to Las vegas any more, they just talked to their travel agents. what Bullshit!
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Bob, do you regret posting on the board so that internet nerds in their basement knew long before Lee did?
I have no problem with Bob putting it on here.I just wish the IFBB let me know first.
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Well...you wanted to know ASAP. I'm just saving you from MORE dieting...Give 'em hell, Lee!!
Another typical wise-ass answer from YOUR athletes rep Lee.
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Can someone post up the link or contact info for the people who want to contact the IFBB to protest this BS
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Can someone post up the link or contact info for the people who want to contact the IFBB to protest this BS
Sure, here's the email:
ifbb@willsmokepoleforfood.com
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My letter is in the works right now. all 7 of of my friends AREN"T going to Las vegas any more, they just talked to their travel agents. what Bullshit!
Thanks for the support i will still be at the Expo for Twinlab.So if you like bodybuilding please go support the other guys.It's the IFBB not them so do not stop supporting them.I know in supporting them it puts Money in IFBB dollars but if your unhapppy go.All IFBB officials will be there let them hear you all and how pissed at the whole thing you are.
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Last number I have for you doesn't work...Adela PM'ed me for My number , so I could get YOUR number...
Well this answers the question why no one comes to your meetings. You never tell them, cause you don't have the current contact info. Maybe you can get your secretary on that.
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Thanks for the support i will still be at the Expo for Twinlab.So if you like bodybuilding please go support the other guys.It's the IFBB not them so do not stop supporting them.I know in supporting them it puts Money in IFBB dollars but if your unhapppy go.All IFBB officials will be there let them hear you all and how pissed at the whole thing you are.
IMO this just would just want me to go over and shake your hand even more. ;D
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This is wonderful news :)
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Lee, did you really speak to Manion this morning, and he didn't mention it at all?
That shows some serious cowardice on his part.
-Tk (see you at the O - supporting you big time lee)
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If they do contact me, I'd be more than happy to assist them in any way possible, or with any advices...
Chick...
Was "advices" intentional? That made me laugh.
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Letters,emails,phone calls....to the IFBB...AMI....LET THEM KNOW THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP.....AND FOR THE RECORD I FOLLOW RULES WHEN THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE AND ARE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE FAIR..
NOT THIS PICKING AND CHOOSING CRAP.
To help Lee out and all Pro Bodybuilders write or email to the address below and tell them the how you feel.
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/contact.htm
Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional League
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
USA 15230
Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com
Ben Weider CM CQ C StJ PhD
President
IFBB Professional League
2875 Bates Road
Montreal, Quebec
Canada H#S 1B7
Tel 514 731 3783 Fax 514 731 9026
email
bweider@ifbb.com
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I'll PM the info to you if you want it...I stated the date on the post. I can help you with your appeal, if you want...or present it to the brass on your behalf. Call me later.
Lee I would n't give anything to Chic. It will conviently get lost or some interesting editing. Get with Rhino and check with his legal advisors.
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I just e-mailed him supprting the decision and maintaining the competitive integrity of the IFBB.
I'm pro-establisnment.
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This incidence shows exactly how much a coward Manion is as is Weider or any other top brass of the IFBB. Of all the years and dedication and the many many fans Lee has provided the IFBB and bodybuilding they don't have the balls to tell Lee personally of the suspension. That is a yellow and pussy as you can get. And Lee talked to Manion what yesterday. And you guys like Chic, Lift and Horton support people and an organization like this. All that means is that is how you would operate and that is how you think. Guilty by association. You guys hould be ashamed of yourselves. I hope to god Lee goes through with this 100% to the end. And I think he will cause he has nothing to fear from the IFBB. The other pussies do and they will clam up. Till court time. This will be great.
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Lee you can sit next to me at the O. ;D
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oh brother here we go...people using this as a chance to promote themselves and brag about all the contacts they supposedly have in pro BBing. STFU loser, stop bragging and start acting as if you really DID have contacts.
LOL ok blowy titso...i have been in the weider booth with lee before you fucking moron...
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Lee you can sit next to me at the O. ;D
you'd like that wouldn't ya?
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How about you make it to the second show before spewing more of your banter Keith. ;)
Oh god Issac. How can you have the balls to even come on these boards and keep talikng shit. You like getting beatup like Melvin. Everything you said about the NOC was wrong. Son go crawl up Manion ass and stay there till I tell you to come out.
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you'd like that wouldn't ya?
Lee is my little buddy :)
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Monster Professionalism
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I hope all of Lee's fans that are here on Getbig are going to at least write a letter expressing their opinion.
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Thats horrible they would do it that way dude, really unprofessional. That just proves it is personal.
dont ya think superman made it personal when he told them to fuck off?
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Yes onlyme is right . The pdi was the best bodybuilding event period. All the athletes got paid at the show. Over 5,000 fans was on their. Wayne always make sure the athletes get paid, even those that dont make it in the top 10(like at the O).
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No...it's presented to the Board of Governors (IFBB commision) and voted on. We can't make our own rules (unfortunately).lol..
What kind of shit is that. The members don't even get to vote. What kind of crap is that. You IFBB guys surprise me everyday. You belong to an organization you pay dues to and you have no vote in how it is run. My god Chic, I really thought you were smarter than this.
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At this time, I've not been contacted by Lee or Valentin for any help....
If they do contact me, I'd be more than happy to assist them in any way possible, or with any advices...
No way in the world would Lee go to you for advice. All that does is give the IFBB "Yellows" the heads up on what he wants to do. In addition, you have absolutely no power whatsoever to help Lee. NONE.
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Chick is the IFBB athlete's rep, if he says there is a suspension, I'm sure thats the official word
If I were a competitive pro, I'd like the ability for more freedom with competing, guest appearances and other professional endeavors that would put $ in my pocket. Seems to me a rule like this shouldn't exist (1.7)
Yes, and as the athletes' rep, I'm sure that Chick is eager to handle Lee's appeal.
Since the hearing isn't until October 17th, that means Lee will be eligible to compete in Vegas, so it's a win-win for all involved.
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No way in the world would Lee go to you for advice. All that does is give the IFBB "Yellows" the heads up on what he wants to do. In addition, you have absolutely no power whatsoever to help Lee. NONE.
I agree there.
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OMG Barry Bonds was just informed on an internet message board that he's suspended from Major League Baseball!!! :o
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OMG Barry Bonds was just informed on an internet message board that he's suspended from Major League Baseball!!! :o
exactly! wtf is that!
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I think Bob just told me if i want to appeal i have to go to Canada montreal
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This is so perfect. Wayne was a major part of the ASC last year. Here it is. Arnold has some loyalty to Joe W. But, Joe is on the way to hell soon. Now this with the IFBB is going to put allot of negativity on the IFBB. ASC is not going to want to be associated with the IFBB once this shit hits the fan. Once all this shit starts up and Joe is gone, see the ASC becoming a PDI event. Wayne has a great relation with the guys at the ASC. His pay-per-view last year was a HUGE success and brought in allot revenue. What what happens
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I think Bob just told me if i want to appeal i have to go to Canada montreal
I've never been! lets go.
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DRUG TESTING CONSENT1.That the IFBB has the right to conduct drug testing at this Event, pursuant to the IFBB Anti-Doping Rules. 2.That if I am selected for drug testing, I will cooperate fully with the drug testing officials at all times and will, under the directobservation of a witness, provide a sample of my urine without undue delay.3.That if I am subsequently found guilty of an Anti-Doping Rule Violation, I will respect and abide by the relevant rules and regulations governing results management, including those pertaining to hearings and appeals. 4.That I accept sole responsibility to remain current with the rules and regulations governing this Event, including the IFBBAnti-Doping Rules, which I acknowledge are made available online at www.IFBB.com. 5.That I do hereby declare and make oath that I am competing in this Event free from Prohibited Substances and ProhibitedMethods
HEY CHICK, I SEE YOU CONVIENTLY BY PASSED THIS IMPORTANT POST....why??
I will in no way will I support the NPC and IFBB by going to anymore shows, but doing what they did shows incredible hipocracy and personally I hope Lee opens a legal can of worms so big it takes down the entire federation and all those who support it. Bob, don't EVER compare this to a REAL sports organization especially when it's ran by corrupt board members all the way around, you didn't have the balls to wait until Lee got the "official" ::) notice of his suspension, that was totally CHICKenshit of you!!
BOYCOTT IFBB
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In the words of the great Shahriar Kamali
SUE EM
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Hey Lee, its Tony here in Austin...one of Rich's buddies. I just sent this to the ifbb email address referenced in this thread. Hope things work out for you...
All,
I would like to voice my displeasure at the suspension of Lee Priest. Our government and courts can not pick and choose which amendments to the constitution they do and dont follow. In this case you have made it obvious that while you do have a "rule book" that some rules matter and some don't. Your hypocrisy has forced me to cancel all magazine subscriptions and boycott the IFBB until I see all of this change. I may be only one person and its up to you if you choose to view me in that light.
- Tony Reece
Tony Reece
Programmer Analyst III, Oracle ERP
Broadwing Communications, LLC
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Supreme Court didn't see it that way re: Maurice Clarett.
That's not relevant in this case, as Lee has already been designated with 'professional' status...Clarrett was not.
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Hey Lee, its Tony here in Austin...one of Rich's buddies. I just sent this to the ifbb email address referenced in this thread. Hope things work out for you...
All,
I would like to voice my displeasure at the suspension of Lee Priest. Our government and courts can not pick and choose which amendments to the constitution they do and dont follow. In this case you have made it obvious that while you do have a "rule book" that some rules matter and some don't. Your hypocrisy has forced me to cancel all magazine subscriptions and boycott the IFBB until I see all of this change. I may be only one person and its up to you if you choose to view me in that light.
- Tony Reece
Tony Reece
Programmer Analyst III, Oracle ERP
Broadwing Communications, LLC
You do realize that the IFBB doesn't have any magazines, right...?
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No, the IFBB has sent lee an official notification...I decided to let him know via the internet ASAP, as I don't want him lingering and thinking he might not be suspended...no reason to continue dieting, or keep his hopes up any further.
Last minute would have been notifying him at the athletes meeting on wed night in Vegas...I don't want to see that...Lee and I may jab at each other on the boards in good fun, but I consider him a friend of mine and did all I could to get him a quick asnwer...
don't you have his phone number or email?
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He can appeal his decision and if he begs like a dog, they may let him back in the house after a respectable fine. Maybe they might hire Wayne back to do that NOC graveyard scene with the WBF lifters
In the meantime, that dog will stay outside in the backyard like the mangy mutt he is.
Lee Priest decided to take a show not for any IFBB pro or to change. He did it to make fast buck knowing good and well that he could beat up on some amatuer bodybuilders. That's inexcusable in my opinion and he should have enough professionalism for himself and the sport of bodybuilding and not degrade the intergrity.
Lee, have fun watching REAL PROFESSIONALS WITH REAL COMPETITION COMPETE AT THE OLYMPIA....if you're even allowed in there
Loser
....and you will stay inside like tubby shit-bag you are. Vince PLEASE get your pro card....PLEASE PLASE PLEASE. This has been stated time and time again...even if they dont let him compete....they cant stop him from showing up there you jiggy fat magnet. Everyone cant wait to see this monster showing.....and monster excuse-fest you put forth with regard to your show in two days. Vince.....can you try and make it out to the Olympia so that you are among the 'professionals' like you belong?
Lee....my buddy Matt just moved to Texas and happens to train at your gym. I told him to go up to and ask your opinion of ol' Vince....ha ha. He told me that you are just a FREAK. Hope you get this whole mess straightened out.
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Hey Lee, its Tony here in Austin...one of Rich's buddies. I just sent this to the ifbb email address referenced in this thread. Hope things work out for you...
All,
I would like to voice my displeasure at the suspension of Lee Priest. Our government and courts can not pick and choose which amendments to the constitution they do and dont follow. In this case you have made it obvious that while you do have a "rule book" that some rules matter and some don't. Your hypocrisy has forced me to cancel all magazine subscriptions and boycott the IFBB until I see all of this change. I may be only one person and its up to you if you choose to view me in that light.
- Tony Reece
Tony Reece
Programmer Analyst III, Oracle ERP
Broadwing Communications, LLC
Thank you
As fans this is your sport also.Without the FANS there is no Bodybuilding or IFBB or Magazines so speak up it's your turn to be heard...
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You do realize that the IFBB doesn't have any magazines, right...?
I guess my email was not very clear, I meant magazine subscriptions to Muscle and Fitness and Flex, I know the IFBB does not sell them. It is my own way of saying that I dont support this decision. Its not a financial impact to the IFBB but its saying that I care enough to give that up.
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You do realize that the IFBB doesn't have any magazines, right...?
LMAO BRUTAL OWNING
Bob you may be a greasy, closeted homosexual joe piscopo look-a-like, but thou knowest how to own.
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Good point, tre.
You can't enforce a punishment until after the appeal process is exhausted.
Bob made it very clear that the appeal wouldn't take place until AFTER that Olympia.
AWESOME! Lee CAN compete. thanks Bob!
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I think Bob just told me if i want to appeal i have to go to Canada montreal
Yes you probably have to since that is where they are located. But, when you file suit it will be here. Lee I am really fired up on this. You can get allot done here with this. You need to get ahold of Rhino and see what his attorneys say. Rhino has the means to have some good legal advice. And another thing is until you have recieved the notice offically in written form then it means nothing. A phone call or interent post doesn't mean shit. A certified letter. When you file in your declaration you have to list why you suspension is not warranted. So you'll need to list the other sections the IFBB fails to uphold. I am notsure exactly how todo it but you have to include the tax situation with the IFBB and the US. They have gone decades without paying US taxes yet they make the majority of their money here and funnel it up to Canada. I am pretty sure the IRS andFederal government doesn't appreciate the IFBB making millions of dollars on the US soil and not paying taxes. And it will be great when their books have to be made public and an audit is done on their clothing line too. Dude yo got these guys by the balls now. DON"T LET GO
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LMAO BRUTAL OWNING
Bob you may be a greasy, closeted homosexual joe piscopo look-a-like, but thou knowest how to own.
If Lee opens a legal case the only one's that will be brutally "owned" are Bob and this soon to be defunct federation!
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I always supported baseballs method of using an arbitrator to iron out issues of this kind. An independant arbitrator to hear both sides and rule accordingly. I know that wont happen in this case though...
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If Lee opens a legal case the only one's that will be brutally "owned" are Bob and this soon to be defunct federation!
yup! i think so.
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On a side note, Jabes is enjoying the most popularity ever in his career....
and so could allot of other IFBB pros that you never hear of. Their are so many I don't know where to begin.
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I always supported baseballs method of using an arbitrator to iron out issues of this kind. An independant arbitrator to hear both sides and rule accordingly. I know that wont happen in this case though...
Don't compare this to a real sport, they refuse to organize themselves like one!
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BTW...who is Jabes??
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Good point, tre.
You can't enforce a punishment until after the appeal process is exhausted.
Bob made it very clear that the appeal wouldn't take place until AFTER that Olympia.
AWESOME! Lee CAN compete. thanks Bob!
No...he is suspended PENDING the hearing...that means he is suspended until he can appeal his case at the hearing on Oct. 17th.
That's as far as I can find language interrpreting this action...
*****
Forget it...just found it. An athlete cannot compete while under suspention.
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Chic, I loved your response about you and the drug test. It will make a great t-shirt for the IFBB guys to wear in the courtroom
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You do realize that the IFBB doesn't have any magazines, right...?
Oh yes they do. They run the big two. And you know that. Why else would they not allow Wayne to promote the NOC with a paid ad. And who is AMI
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On another note - this thread will be long as hell, and the whole drama will be great marketing for Valentine Jabes...as I, for one, had never heard of the guy before ;)
As with many if not most IFBB Bodybuilders. Clifton Torres, Art Dylks, Batista, Freeman the list is longer than you know. Not everyone makes dime 1 through the IFBB, afterall even Chick refereed to them as 'independent contractors', how much support do you think the IFBB has for 'independent contractors". I stated in a post before that I'll gladly donate 100 bucks to any legal fund that goes to bat for Lee and Jabes. They've been thrown to the wolfs without a rep to support them. Would Ron start a fund, or just hang to the $$$ that we donate to the free Lee fund.
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To help Lee out and all Pro Bodybuilders write or email to the address below and tell them the how you feel.
Interesting....I had no idea the IFBB had their offices in Pittsburgh. I am an Attorney in Pittsburgh and have many ties with the United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania. Specifically, my Father does many Federal Suits involving anti-trust litigation. Given that we have both worked at the United States Attorneys Office, we know our way around the Federal Court system. Lee, if you are interested, p.m. me.
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At this time, I've not been contacted by Lee or Valentin for any help....
If they do contact me, I'd be more than happy to assist them in any way possible, or with any advices...
Are you going to assist by backstabbing them even more?? Fucking puppet!!
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Man I wish everyone would boycott the Olympia. Go to the Expo which is great anyways, just don't go to the Olympia. Boycott it.
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Nice of the IFBB OR Jim to call me and let me know first.Typical thou .......
haha, that's pathetic. What a garbage organization, they post it on a bodybuilding message board. Did the "athletes rep" contact you, a athlete, to inform you?
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haha, that's pathetic. What a garbage organization, they post it on a bodybuilding message board. Did the "athletes rep" contact you, a athlete, to inform you?
I just saw chicks post that the ifbb sent him an official document, but he decided to let him know by way of a message board. Pick up the phone!!!!!! A message board, haha. I can imagine the baseball rep informing a player of their suspension on espn sports talk, lol.
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Chic, I loved your response about you and the drug test. It will make a great t-shirt for the IFBB guys to wear in the courtroom
Now that's funny ;D
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240 start a website for Lee. www.freelee-fuckifbb.com
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240 start a website for Lee. www.freelee-fuckifbb.com
onlyme did you get my Pm i sent you?
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'word' of a suspension doesn't equate to suspension until formally addressed in written document.
until lee sees that paper, f**k your suspension.
be a shame if they didnt drum one up in the next 10 days...
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
Big surprise there. No, really.... big surprise. ::)
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This thread will be more than 9 pages...
Brutal Fulfillment of Prophecy
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onlyme did you get my Pm i sent you?
Yea thanks. Also, on this. Sposnors are NOT going to like this publicity that this case may generate. This is going to be very negative and could possibly bankrupt the IFBB. They owe millions in back taxes. And whatever else in fines could be put against them. Legal fees alone are going to kill them. I would think Lee could easily find an attorney to do this case either Pro Bono or on contigency. This will defntiely make some headlines. I wonder what will happen to Kevin Horton and Issac. Well maybe they can start taking pictures of babies.
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I will in no way will I support the NPC and IFBB by going to anymore shows, but doing what they did shows incredible hipocracy and personally I hope Lee opens a legal can of worms so big it takes down the entire federation and all those who support it.
Point of clarification: the IFBB and the NPC are entirely *separate* organizations.
Please do not include the NPC in this particular conversation about the IFBB, as anything involving the NPC is not at all relevant to this discussion.
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in all fairness....
everyone seems to be riding Chick's jock pretty hard. I believe he was just relaying a message. I have a feeling that Lee was going to get suspended anyways...
but I wonder how much of this was just brought all upon himself to begin with.
I do feel Bob has loyalties to the IFBB....but I don't see him personally behind Lee's suspension but some of you are acting like he is.
just my 2 cents
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Brutal Fulfillment of Prophecy
Epic quote of your own post :D
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in all fairness....
everyone seems to be riding Chick's jock pretty hard. I believe he was just relaying a message. I have a feeling that Lee was going to get suspended anyways...
but I wonder how much of this was just brought all upon himself to begin with.
I do feel Bob has loyalties to the IFBB....but I don't see him personally behind Lee's suspension but some of you are acting like he is.
just my 2 cents
Chick should have used a little professionalism by notifying Lee before an internet message board. Then again maybe there is no such thing as professionalism amoung meatheads.
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Chick should have used a little professionalism by notifying Lee before an internet message board. Then again maybe there is no such thing as professionalism amoung meatheads.
well.....
Lee announces things on here "out in the open" before notifying anyone.
I think Chick probably felt Lee didn't care.
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Sponsors are NOT going to like this publicity that this case may generate. This is going to be very negative and could possibly bankrupt the IFBB. They owe millions in back taxes.
Yeah, that tax question is still looming very large over the IFBB. They might possibly get away with the suspension of Lee, but once the IRS starts their investigation, I predict there's no way they will escape that debt. Canada will help with that enforcement, guaranteed.
That's why I'm thinking it's in the best interests of the NPC to just sever all ties with Montreal and form their own professional 'league'...sooner rather than later.
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It's posted because it's been the number one topic on this board for many months now. News is news...an official statement has been made...I condensed it for obvious purposes. If you don't like it,don't read it or participate in the thread...
BTW...whats the "scare tactic"? Everyone knows what the rules are..you think Lee is surprised?
You think Lee cares???
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Lee Priest and Valentin Jabes have both been suspended, effective immediately, for violation of rule 1.7 of the IFBB rules (competing in a non-sanctioned competition).
There is a hearing set for October 17, 2006 where they can appeal the suspention in person...
oh brother. ::)
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Bodybuilding is so gay.
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....and you will stay inside like tubby shit-bag you are. Vince PLEASE get your pro card....PLEASE PLASE PLEASE. This has been stated time and time again...even if they dont let him compete....they cant stop him from showing up there you jiggy fat magnet. Everyone cant wait to see this monster showing.....and monster excuse-fest you put forth with regard to your show in two days. Vince.....can you try and make it out to the Olympia so that you are among the 'professionals' like you belong?
Lee....my buddy Matt just moved to Texas and happens to train at your gym. I told him to go up to and ask your opinion of ol' Vince....ha ha. He told me that you are just a FREAK. Hope you get this whole mess straightened out.
Yeah, I met your little buddy Matt. I thought he was coming on to me or something but I was still polite to him anyway. Not exactly a world class lifter himself or anything but here's some advice. Next time, when you send a spy out, make sure he doesn't accidently call me Vince....... ;D
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Bodybuilding is so gay.
It really is sometimes.... its up there among gayest org ever!!
1. GLADD
2. WWE
3. IFBB
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No...he is suspended PENDING the hearing...that means he is suspended until he can appeal his case at the hearing on Oct. 17th.
That's as far as I can find language interrpreting this action...
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Forget it...just found it. An athlete cannot compete while under suspention.
That would be a huge mistake on the part of the organization.
By announcing his suspension, accepting his notice to appeal, and then allowing him to compete in Las Vegas pending the outcome of his fair hearing, the IFBB would be acting in good faith.
Announcing his suspension and then deliberately delaying the fair hearing until after his next scheduled competition will leave the IFBB with a black eye.
If the IFBB does the right thing here, everyone wins.
It's up to them.
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Letters,emails,phone calls....to the IFBB...AMI....LET THEM KNOW THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP.....AND FOR THE RECORD I FOLLOW RULES WHEN THE RULES APPLY TO EVERYONE AND ARE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE AND ARE FAIR..
NOT THIS PICKING AND CHOOSING CRAP.
To help Lee out and all Pro Bodybuilders write or email to the address below and tell them the how you feel.
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/contact.htm
Jim Manion
Chairman
IFBB Professional League
P.O. Box 3224
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
USA 15230
Toll Free: 1-866-304-4322
Tel: (412) 276-5027
Fax: (412) 281-0470
E-mail: ifbbprodivision@aol.com
Ben Weider CM CQ C StJ PhD
President
IFBB Professional League
2875 Bates Road
Montreal, Quebec
Canada H#S 1B7
Tel 514 731 3783 Fax 514 731 9026
email
bweider@ifbb.com
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If Lee decides to take things to court he'll more than likely win.
Anyone remember the Jay Cutler fiasco in 2001? The IFBB hid their tails behind their legs when Cutler threatened to sue them.
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If there was a Union....
I doubt this would of happened at all
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If there was a Union....
I doubt this would of happened at all
how you goign to get a Union with only ONE guy that is willing to fight?
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THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
YES I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HVE TOLD ME FIRST. THEN I WOULD HAVE COME ON HERE AND LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
Lee, how do we get in touch with the IFBB to let them know what a bullshit move this is on their part?
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Lee, how do we get in touch with the IFBB to let them know what a bullshit move this is on their part?
check page 8 its listed there.
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Good point, tre.
You can't enforce a punishment until after the appeal process is exhausted.
Bob made it very clear that the appeal wouldn't take place until AFTER that Olympia.
AWESOME! Lee CAN compete. thanks Bob!
is this really valid? if so it would be a monster pwning of IFFB!!!1!
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how you goign to get a Union with only ONE guy that is willing to fight?
Honestly....
sometimes it takes just one man to lay his career on the line.
If the 1st tier guys would get behind him....the organization will have to take notice.
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in all fairness....
everyone seems to be riding Chick's jock pretty hard. I believe he was just relaying a message. I have a feeling that Lee was going to get suspended anyways...
but I wonder how much of this was just brought all upon himself to begin with.
I do feel Bob has loyalties to the IFBB....but I don't see him personally behind Lee's suspension but some of you are acting like he is.
just my 2 cents
i agree with you, but Chick its the representative (sp) of the competitors, and for better or worse, he is here hearing us...
So its inevitable that people complain to him (and complain of him), after all we dont have direct access to the decision makers...
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I wonder what will happen to Kevin Horton and Issac. Well maybe they can start taking pictures of babies.
Or weddings.
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Honestly....
sometimes it takes just one man to lay his career on the line.
If the 1st tier guys would get behind him....the organization will have to take notice.
ok yes i agree with ya. you definatly need followers. the problem here is that there is none willing to do what lee did.
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Honestly....
sometimes it takes just one man to lay his career on the line.
If the 1st tier guys would get behind him....the organization will have to take notice.
The late Curt Flood laid it on the line in Major League Baseball. It basically cost him career challenging the reserve clause. All these mega millionaires in MLB owe him BIG TIME.
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I bet most of the top tier IFBB guys are secretly applauding what Lee is doing but don't have enough of a sack to publicly state anything.
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Dear Lee and Valentin,
Your response to Ben , Jim and the boys should be ,BLOW ME!
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ok yes i agree with ya. you definatly need followers. the problem here is that there is none willing to do what lee did.
Of course no one is willing to do what lee has done and that's stand on his own two feet and simply take a stand for what is RIGHT. They (iFBB) does not pay them a salary, they have no right to deny anyone. Some of these Bodybuilders can not even design their own diets and training program....they go to guys that never even done it before so we can't expect them to speak out. Lee is unique...like arnold of his day. lee should get some "IFBB, go f--- yourself" shirts and sell them in front of the door and on his site...make some cash.
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Of course no one is willing to do what lee has done and that's stand on his own two feet and simply take a stand for what is RIGHT. They (iFBB) does not pay them a salary, they have no right to deny anyone. Some of these Bodybuilders can not even design their own diets and training program....they go to guys that never even done it before so we can't expect them to speak out. Lee is unique...like arnold of his day. lee should get some "IFBB, go f--- yourself" shirts and sell them in front of the door and on his site...make some cash.
THAT IS AN AWESOME IDEA!
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Yeah, I met your little buddy Matt. I thought he was coming on to me or something but I was still polite to him anyway. Not exactly a world class lifter himself or anything but here's some advice. Next time, when you send a spy out, make sure he doesn't accidently call me Vince....... ;D
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...send a spy out??? Do you honestly believe half the shit you write Melvin??? Do you live in Auston Texas you rump ranger???? My comment was for Lee Priest you cum guzzler! Oh, and if you did actually meet matt you surely wouldnt be making the comments you did seeing as he did compete nationally in powerlifting....and is a genetic freak when it comes to pushing weight. Get yourself in your sauna fat body....again Vince...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....do whatever it takes to win your pro card....I sooooooo want to be on the same stage as you.
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fuck me its the WBF scenario all over again! I dont agree with the fact that the IFBB prohibit an athlete to earn a living from entering an unsanctioned event but they have always made an example out of Lee. Remember when Joe gave him permission to sit out a show because he was ill and Wayne (you dont answer to him, you answer to me!) fined him $5000 for it!
Its like Dana white firing BJ Penn for fighting in another organisation. I dont see any change coming out of this, only long standing problems for all involved whether they give a shit or not.
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There goes Jebes hopes of ever winning the Olympia. Tragic lose for the sport!!!
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My letter:
Dear IFBB!
Nice job helping the sport and a professional bodybuilder! I really hope Lee Priest sues you.
Ask not what bodybuilders can do for you, ask what you can do for bodybuilders and the sport as a whole!
Best regards,
A fan of Lee, bodybuilding, but not the IFBB
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My letter:
Dear IFBB!
Nice job helping the sport and a professional bodybuilder! I really hope Lee Priest sues you.
Ask not what bodybuilders can do for you, ask what you can do for bodybuilders and the sport as a whole!
Best regards,
A fan of Lee, bodybuilding, but not the IFBB
Don't worry,
The shitstorm is coming.....
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Don't worry,
The shitstorm is coming.....
Yes sir it is.
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Chick, I am normally a fan, but you are more and more looking like the IFBB rep and NOT the ATHLETE'S REP. Starting this thread b4 Lee was notified is completely unprofessional, and really just unacceptable as a whole. How would you like to be notified on a message board that all the athletes have now lost faith in you, and voted you out of your position? (<----- bent over and takin it up the ass from Uncle Ben) Not exaclty unlikely right now either I bet.
This is a sad day for the sport, and if you as the athletes rep, let alone being an athlete can't grasp that ??? >:(
Lee, go after their asses bro. It is going to suck not seein you compete, but you fighting this while not getting up there will change this fucked up sport. Good luck!
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Don't worry,
The shitstorm is coming.....
Hurricane lee all up in that ass!!!
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It really is sometimes.... its up there among gayest org ever!!
1. GLADD
2. WWE
3. IFBB
you forgot NAMBLA
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This thread will be more than 9 pages...
WINNER!!!!!!!!
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Chick seems like a chatty cathy girl.....if anyone actually knows this guy i got a question. does he have a BIG mouth? He seems like the kind of girl that never shuts the heck up in his little coffee clotch. Athletes rep? C'mon, man. Seriously, who knows this guy?
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Of course no one is willing to do what lee has done and that's stand on his own two feet and simply take a stand for what is RIGHT. They (iFBB) does not pay them a salary, they have no right to deny anyone. Some of these Bodybuilders can not even design their own diets and training program....they go to guys that never even done it before so we can't expect them to speak out. Lee is unique...like arnold of his day. lee should get some "IFBB, go f--- yourself" shirts and sell them in front of the door and on his site...make some cash.
I'd buy one!
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Im surprised Mr. Ray hasn't been in this thread yet.
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We all know the IFBB are a bunch of crooks but what is Lee really gonna do here honestly?
The government doesn't regulate bodybuilding just like they don't regulate most sports. The few sports they have a big say in are the ones that receive government funding and use government owned facilities etc. The rest they don't care about trust me. They don't wanna get involved...
Lee can sue them but they have way more resources than he does and we all know what happens with law suits where one party is full of cash and one isn't...
End of the day the IFBB is an underground organisation. They are still just some dudes that hire a hall, print some posters, put on a bodybuilding show and pocket as much cash as they can.
End of the day they can say no to whoever they want... who is gonna stop them? they aren't regulated in ANY way...
The only way to bring the IFBB down is through their books... we all know they haven't paid the tax they should have...
Problem is proving it...
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The big names are likely going to want to stay out of this as this sport has always been about individuals. The top guys are doing very well and have nothing to complain about I don't think.
I agree Lee's suspension is garbage. It means nothing but that the IFBB is afraid of the PDI. If they are not, they would not care about its existence. This is clearly an indicator something is going on. I hope Lee does take them to court.
I don't know what sueing would do, but, if some kind of change could result from his intervention that would allow these guys to make more money, maybe they wouldn't be trying to kill themselves for one win a year and losing kidneys and doing questionable things for supplementary income.
Best of luck to you Lee, whether the other bodybuilders know it or not, you are benefiting them all and hopefully something will come of this. Everyone save the top guys can get something from this and I hope in the not too distant future things are a little more fair in the IFBB if it still exists.
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Well...you wanted to know ASAP. I'm just saving you from MORE dieting...Give 'em hell, Lee!!
as we say in australia,bob you are a fucking wanker!
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Its funny that the only board that cares about this matter is GETBIG.COM. All the other bodybuilding sites dont give a shit. I find it strange that everybody in this thread is ganging up on bob.
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Bob thanks but you to have my number.No i am still dieting i have the English NOC Oct 22nd...4 seminars over there..then Barcelona Spain for Fitness expo and guest posing.....and back to Califonia for another Guest posing.Oh and Race on the 7th and 8th Oct.
how about the NABBA Universe October 7, Southport, England
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BTW...who is Jabes??
anyone have a pic?
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Its funny that the only board that cares about this matter is GETBIG.COM. All the other bodybuilding sites dont give a shit. I find it strange that everybody in this thread is ganging up on bob.
I agree ganging up on Bob is useless, however, time and time again his actions and words have made it quite obvious he represents Lee and the other athletes when it is convenient and safe. If I am incorrect I apoligize but that is how it looks to me.
I don't really care about Bob's hand in all this. I don't believe in him and what he does and I doubt he cares at all what any of us say, so for the same reason I don't care about what he says. I used to though to be fair.
As for the other boards, maybe the censorship and lemming-like mentality on them makes these kinds of discussions impossible.
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Point of clarification: the IFBB and the NPC are entirely *separate* organizations.
Please do not include the NPC in this particular conversation about the IFBB, as anything involving the NPC is not at all relevant to this discussion.
they're both run by Jim Manion
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anyone have a pic?
MuscleMemory (http://musclememory.com/show.php?s=jabes&g=M) is your friend
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how about the NABBA Universe October 7, Southport, England
Tim, can you tell us more about this show?
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HYPOCRISY AT ITS BEST , first and foremost the IFBB should be looking at fixing its policy's and hypocritical existence from the ground up , one can not build a pyramid from the pinnacle down !!
Amature IFBB bodybuilding is a farce(no disrespect to the competitor's), it is meant to be all drug tested to IOC standards and yet this rule ( sanctioned by Ben in his pathetic effort to get BB into the Olympics)is not even enforced by 80% of its affiliated country's, all the affiliations are rife with hypocrisy and corruption ,
Heres the ruling from the NZFBB on competitors competting for other federations , I was at the meeting where this ruling was changed , the thought process behind the ruling (based on legal advice at the time)was that the NZFBB was losing to many athletes to NABBA due to there Drug testing regime so it was decided that they legally couldn't stop any one from entering there shows due to "Discrimination Laws" so it was decided that they might as well get double revenue from these athletes by having them have to rejoin the NZFBB if they competed with somelse , so in effect they decided you can compete with some one else(legally) but you would just have to pay double the fees if you did !! oh it may pay to note this rule is not actively enforced ( only if a complaint is made via another athlete, usually if they don't win or place well !!)
NZFBB RULE RE COMPETTING FOR ANOTHER FEDERATION !
2.4 Contestants may not belong to any other Bodybuilding Federation or Association other than that affiliated to the IFBB, which in New Zealand is the NZFBB, PO Box 5186, Wellesley Street, Auckland. Competitors automatically resign membership to the NZFBB if they enter and participate in other bodybuilding organisations. They may re-join the NZFBB by reapplying and with payment of another membership fee. They will not have to re-qualify for the NZ Nationals.
Its intresting how it can be different rules for different folks and yet it is all the IFBB !!
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GOOD RIDDANCE ASSHOLE! ITS NOT ONLY WOMEN WHO WALK OUT OF YOUR LIFE BUT NOW THE IFBB TOO!!!!!!!!!WHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
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You do realize that the IFBB doesn't have any magazines, right...?
Oh, come onnnnnnnn, enough already!! Go f**k yourself, SHITcherillo. I'm sure you got the point about what the guy really meant, didn't you?! :-\
The last thing you could show in here is your lousy taste for sarcasm.....
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NZFBB RULE RE COMPETTING FOR ANOTHER FEDERATION !
2.4 Contestants may not belong to any other Bodybuilding Federation or Association other than that affiliated to the IFBB, which in New Zealand is the NZFBB, PO Box 5186, Wellesley Street, Auckland. Competitors automatically resign membership to the NZFBB if they enter and participate in other bodybuilding organisations. They may re-join the NZFBB by reapplying and with payment of another membership fee. They will not have to re-qualify for the NZ Nationals.
Its intresting how it can be different rules for different folks and yet it is all the IFBB !!
unf**kin believable!!! is this for real? What a money making scheme....godammm crooks!!!!!
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NZFBB RULE RE COMPETTING FOR ANOTHER FEDERATION !
2.4 Contestants may not belong to any other Bodybuilding Federation or Association other than that affiliated to the IFBB, which in New Zealand is the NZFBB, PO Box 5186, Wellesley Street, Auckland. Competitors automatically resign membership to the NZFBB if they enter and participate in other bodybuilding organisations. They may re-join the NZFBB by reapplying and with payment of another membership fee. They will not have to re-qualify for the NZ Nationals.
Its intresting how it can be different rules for different folks and yet it is all the IFBB !!
and the funny thing is that the IFBB/NPC took the AAU to court (and won) to stop the AAU from banning athletes who entered non-AAU sanctioned contests.
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The late Curt Flood laid it on the line in Major League Baseball. It basically cost him career challenging the reserve clause. All these mega millionaires in MLB owe him BIG TIME.
there's a new book out about curt Flood and the free agency issue and you're right maybe 10 percent of today's pros know who he was, sad.
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GOOD RIDDANCE ASSHOLE! ITS NOT ONLY WOMEN WHO WALK OUT OF YOUR LIFE BUT NOW THE IFBB TOO!!!!!!!!!WHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Asshole... whats up your ass >:(
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Suspending him before the O may give Lee a "lost wages" lawsuit as well - but I'm not certain how the whole thing will be planned legally...
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and the funny thing is that the IFBB/NPC took the AAU to court (and won) to stop the AAU from banning athletes who entered non-AAU sanctioned contests.
Wasn't this under some "amatuer" sports ruling? How would that pertain to pro sports where there is prize money?
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This Lee /PDI thing is like turning over an old rock in the woods. The insects beneath are scared and pissed... some will run others will fight back, doing whatever they can to opppose/deny the abrupt change to their lives. Lee and the PDI have jolted them from their deep sleep. It will be fun to see what they will do to find their solitude again.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...send a spy out??? Do you honestly believe half the shit you write Melvin??? Do you live in Auston Texas you rump ranger???? My comment was for Lee Priest you cum guzzler! Oh, and if you did actually meet matt you surely wouldnt be making the comments you did seeing as he did compete nationally in powerlifting....and is a genetic freak when it comes to pushing weight. Get yourself in your sauna fat body....again Vince...PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....do whatever it takes to win your pro card....I sooooooo want to be on the same stage as you.
Go meltdown somewhere else, boy. BTW, who the hell are you anyway??? The only WNBF pro's I know in Tx is Dave Goodin and Scott Trout. I'm assuming you're someone I know...... ??? Even if I knew you, I really wouldn't care anyway.
In any case, I will still have to wait another 2 years anyway to meet the 7 year requirement and not have to argue with the guy doing the poly's as to how I got a waiver. Which gives me plenty of time to do more shows. So go dance around with a chuckle "pro" title. Because it doesn't mean a hill of beans if no-one knows who you are.
Have a nice day, pro sucka mc.
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Point of clarification: the IFBB and the NPC are entirely *separate* organizations.
Please do not include the NPC in this particular conversation about the IFBB, as anything involving the NPC is not at all relevant to this discussion.
Yeah... the NPC is Manion's "family business", and the IFBB is Weider's family business that Manion just runs for him. ::)
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Wasn't this under some "amatuer" sports ruling? How would that pertain to pro sports where there is prize money?
my comments were in reply to the posting about New Zealand IFBB. But James Manion is specifically mentioned in the ruling (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement). A lawyer could tell us if that means it applies to Jim Manion, now the president of the IFBB Pro Division, in all situations for the rest of his life.
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I don't know about the states but here down under we have very strong "Discrimination Laws" that stop people being , well basically "discriminated" against for what ever reason , this law has been used prior to stop sporting bodies from restricting athletes competeting in there events , over here they even have a Polynesian BB federation which was set up for competting Polynesians only, but due to the law they have to let any one who wishes to compete (as long as they pay there fees ) be allowed to compete .
This law also stooped sporting body's from diss allowing athletes the right to compete just because they were paid up members of another similar organisations !!
It is also intresting to note the NZFBB sanctioned this organisastion although it is a COMPETTING ORGANISASTION ( it is run and owned by a totaly seperate IFBB identity and competes for the same athletes that the IFBB are wishing to have compete for them )of the IFBB and was formed under a illegal pretence !!
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I can't find the PRO RULES online.So who will be at my appeals hearing Bob?which board members?
Well it's 6.30 pm in Texas and still no email or call from IFBB to let me know.Just letter which i asked Bob to forward me that he got........
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I can't find the PRO RULES online.So who will be at my appeals hearing Bob?which board members?
Well it's 6.30 pm in Texas and still no email or call from IFBB to let me know.Just letter which i asked Bob to forward me that he got........
they're a bunch of chickenshits, they probably wouldn't tell you face to face, the Weiders are the phoniest assholes on the planet.
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Actualy to be honest , you would have to ask "which IFBB Pro has ever seen the rules" and this being the case what effort has the IFBB pro division made to its members to make there memebers awere of such ruleings , this should be done annually upon renewal of each memebrship !!
Other wise all these rules could be classed as just "HEAR SAY"
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Actualy to be honest , you would have to ask "which IFBB Pro has ever seen the rules" and this being the case what effort has the IFBB pro division made to its members to make there memebers awere of such ruleings , this should be done annually upon renewal of each memebrship !!
Other wise all these rules could be classed as just "HEAR SAY"
i doubt any pro has seen the rules as they don't matter when you pick and choose the rules to enforce.
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All the pros i know have never seen the rules.
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All the pros i know have never seen the rules.
:o holly shit!
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I am reposting this from another Lee/Suspended thread because it's relevant and dammit I worked hard on it.
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I have given this some thought as a fan. Please allow me to add my 2 cents...
Bob, I have great respect for you and am a big fan. But I am disappointed that you do not represent Lee in this matter. You are supposed to be the athletes rep. Yes, Lee broke the rule and is subject to punishment. But I think it is incumbent on you to make sure the punishment is the least possible. In this matter, you look like a shill for the IFBB blue blazers and not a rep for the athlete.
Lee, I also have great respect for you. You are my favorite BB. I love your outspoken personality as well as your physique. And you have a cool accent! Come back to the IFBB if they allow you to. You are a fan favorite. But don't take this to court. You will give the IFBB an undeserved black eye among the 'regular' people. We should all try to bring fans into the sport, not just appeal to those that already are. It's bad enough that we as an industry have to deal with the Titus/Ryan murder drama. (i digress...Craig is going to give this sport a big black eye. He does not look good in interviews, he comes off as a self-centered jerk. He shows that he is a total moron by firing his legal team for having the temerity to tell him to STFU. I bet his next lawyer tells him to "be quiet". then he'll get fired, then the next and the next and so on....end digression) We need more "good" guys to appeal to the masses. Lee, you made your point. You have bloodied the nose of the IFBB, but leave it at that. Be a voice within the IFBB and act for change within the system. You and Bob should be on the same page on many of the issues that you have.
Are Lee's complaints really THAT outrageous? We all know this federation is not centered around the athletes. C'mon, anyone out of the top 10 at the marquee event of our sport, where everyone has to earn their entry, didn't even get a dime until last year? C'mon people, that is a sign of a minor league sport that is NOT ready for prime time.
My friends, isn't this the kind of backstabbing and politicking that we were complaining about in last weeks PBW regarding the Magazine Wars? We need to work together as fans and athletes and IFBB brass and suppliment companies and media groups and websites to grow our beloved sport. Yes, a little personality and conflict is fun and builds excitement. But when you get down to suspensions, lawyers, courts, etc...it's too much and can only damage our sport's reputation in the outside world.
WE NEED TO BRING IN NEW, OUTSIDE FANS TO GROW THIS SPORT!
To the IFBB head honchos, fine Lee and let him in the to the Big Show. Lee is a marquee name in this sport. Additionally, he is one of the few pros who actually has a life outside the industry. A real, visible presence outside the sport with his racing. I guarantee you (Lee, back me up on this) that any story about Lee in the racing media (magazine, web sites, word of mouth by racing fans) mentions that he is a professional bodybuilder. That builds interest outside the narrow confines of the sport.
Lets face it, this sport and industry is pretty small and insular. You know each other, you talk to each other, you sleep with each other, you marry each other, you interview each other, you rat on each other, you don't rat each other, you (rarely) kill each other... We don't attract many outside fans. We don't get any play on ESPN or ESPN 2 or ESPN 8 "the ocho". (Even if there were an ESPN 8, would pro BB be on it?) We have very few crossover athletes. Arnold certainly is. Lou is still famous. Can we include Triple H? Roided up baseball players don't bring people to the sport. (perhaps outside of the interview Canseco did on PBW.)
Lee is one of the few athletes with crossover potential. Im sorry, but Ronnie is not well spoken nor articulate as the champion in our sport. (Is everyone on crack, Ronnie? How very middle-school-playground of you.) Jay seems nice, but he doesn't seem to have a dynamic personality for media presentation. Dexter seems like a personable, media friendly pro. We have great diversity in our sport, except for maybe Asians. We need to use that to our advantage. Gunter would be a great draw. (Muscular, tall, good smile, exotic accent, very Arnold-like.) Maybe he could get some face time on network TV via Kim Lyons' reality show on NBC, The Biggest Loser.
Look how many regular folks go the Expo at the Arnold. This is where the new fan base will come from. One of the great things about having it in Columbus, Ohio is that the event takes over the town for a week. It is the biggest event in the region. Local media, government officials, local tourism officials, etc. put their muscle (no pun intended) and influence behind event. You get crossover fans from the other sport at the Arnold Weekend, but the centerpiece of the whole giant event is the Men's Professional Bodybuilding. I imagine that by comparison, the Olympia gets lost in the hustle and bustle of Vegas. I have been to the Arnold and seen this first hand. I have not been to the O, but I can imagine it is only one of many events in Vegas that it has to compete for publicity. Do local Vegas residents come to the Olympia, or is it just BB fans who travel from far across the fruited plain and the world? I know for a fact that the Arnold draws in a huge number of "regular" citizens and that gives our sport important exposure not to mention Arnold's drawing power. Thank god Arnold still shows up for the event and isn't just a name on the sign.
We need to keep our eye on the long term viability of the sport and work on bringing new fans into the sport. Isn't this why we introduced Fitness and then Figure? To broaden the appeal of the sport? Lee has great crossover drawing power with the racing fans. He is one of the few crossover athletes in this sport. It is especially important to strike while the iron is hot as Lee had a great year in racing. He is sure to bring in fans for this show. (Name one competitor who can draw more outside fans to the O this year) If he isn't there to compete, we will lose potential fans. Not to mention that if Lee is punished too harshly, he may leave the IFBB all together, which would be a loss of a marquee name.
I don't think this small sport can survive having two excusive federations. That dilutes the talent pool and you don't compete against ALL of the best BBers. It would be like boxing with three separate organizations. Who is the champion? The IFBB should remove the exclusivity clause. If the athletes are to be treated as independent contractors rather than as paid members of the IFBB, then they should be allowed to compete where they want. Competition can only strengthen the sport. We, of all people, understand that growth comes via working against resistance and pushing your limits and going outside your comfort zone. But I fear that the IFBB doesn't want resistance or competition and doesn't want to change and improve. They feel comfortable as a monopoly and therefore won't feel compelled to work on improving the mass appeal of the sport. Go ahead IFBB, keep doing the same routine over and over and wonder why you don't grow...
Thanks for your attention,
Jayhawk
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Hey Lee........
Rumor has it......
they want you to hand over your "OFFICAL IFBB PRO CARD"
;D
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the IFBB suspending Lee for competing in a PDI show is like someone working at Wal-Mart getting fired for shopping at Target.
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Its funny that the only board that cares about this matter is GETBIG.COM. All the other bodybuilding sites dont give a shit. I find it strange that everybody in this thread is ganging up on bob.
Maybe the 'other bodybuilding sites' are living in fear.
Maybe the participants of the 'other bodybuilding sites' are merely yes men.
Maybe GetBig.com is full of people who 1) give a damn about bodybuilders and 2) have the balls to speak up.
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Maybe the 'other bodybuilding sites' are living in fear.
Maybe the participants of the 'other bodybuilding sites' are merely yes men.
Maybe GetBig.com is full of people who 1) give a damn about bodybuilders and 2) have the balls to speak up.
I think so.
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they're both run by Jim Manion
As I stated a long time ago, the NPC is his baby, not the IFBB.
I have never spoken to him about this issue (and it would be improper to ask him to answer on the record), but I'm willing to bet that he'd be very happy to just run the NPC and not have to deal at all with IFBB affairs. I want it clear that he has never said this to me, and I'm not speaking for him...I just think he'd have a lot less stress if his life involved the NPC only.
Any problems that are rooted throughout the IFBB were there long before his arrival and start at the very top.
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Wasn't this under some "amatuer" sports ruling? How would that pertain to pro sports where there is prize money?
That's all changed since the Olympics became a professional event.
Amateur sports are extinct.
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the IFBB suspending Lee for competing in a PDI show is like someone working at Wal-Mart getting fired for shopping at Target.
working and shopping is not th same thing
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Yes you did work hard on it Jayhawk , and it is a dammm good read and very relevant post , well done :)
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Yes you did work hard on it Jayhawk , and it is a dammm good read and very relevant post , well done :)
F*cking rights it is! I agree.
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Maybe the 'other bodybuilding sites' are living in fear.
Maybe the participants of the 'other bodybuilding sites' are merely yes men.
Maybe GetBig.com is full of people who 1) give a damn about bodybuilders and 2) have the balls to speak up.
Living in fear? Fear from what? Nobody gives a shit. I know I don't. Lee knows the rules. Lee is known for his drama. Him getting suspended is no surprise. Hell Lee is only one bodybuilder. The Olympia will go on without him. Why do people keep saying Bob needs to help him? Help him do what? If Lee would follow the rules then this wouldn't happen. Lee gets in more trouble than any other bber. If he loves competing in the pdi so much, then just stay there and compete. Why does he want to do the Olympia or any other ifbb show if he doesn't like how things are ran. I know somebody is going to say why not enforce the rules for aas or I'm a ifbb puppet. Anyways I will be attending the Olympia and I don't give a shit if Lee is competing or not. I'm going to have a good time. See ya at the O.
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working and shopping is not th same thing
I could see belonging to two separate unions in two similar companies creating a conflict of interest for the employee, however, in Lee's case, there are no unions.
It is like not being allowed to work two part time jobs in two different stores. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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At least Lee got $20K to spend for a while
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If Lee would follow the rules then this wouldn't happen. Lee gets in more trouble than any other bber.
Your post illustrates why you're a sergeant and not a colonel...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Your post illustrates why you're a sergeant and not a colonel...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah okay Dude
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At least Lee got $20K to spend for a while
? Does prize money go into the LP Foundation for others though?
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To help Lee out and all Pro Bodybuilders write or email to the address below and tell them the how you feel.
I sent an email in support of Lee, suggest everyone who sides will the athletes in this to do the same.
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Yeah okay Dude
Go scrub some toilets, you enlisted puke... officers are talking here! >:(
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? Does prize money go into the LP Foundation for others though?
I think he agreed to donate his Olympia winnings, not his NOC winnings.
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I think he agreed to donate his Olympia winnings, not his NOC winnings.
ok thanks Goatboy
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I am reposting this from another Lee/Suspended thread because it's relevant and dammit I worked hard on it.
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I have given this some thought as a fan. Please allow me to add my 2 cents...
Bob, I have great respect for you and am a big fan. But I am disappointed that you do not represent Lee in this matter. You are supposed to be the athletes rep. Yes, Lee broke the rule and is subject to punishment. But I think it is incumbent on you to make sure the punishment is the least possible. In this matter, you look like a shill for the IFBB blue blazers and not a rep for the athlete.
Lee, I also have great respect for you. You are my favorite BB. I love your outspoken personality as well as your physique. And you have a cool accent! Come back to the IFBB if they allow you to. You are a fan favorite. But don't take this to court. You will give the IFBB an undeserved black eye among the 'regular' people. We should all try to bring fans into the sport, not just appeal to those that already are. It's bad enough that we as an industry have to deal with the Titus/Ryan murder drama. (i digress...Craig is going to give this sport a big black eye. He does not look good in interviews, he comes off as a self-centered jerk. He shows that he is a total moron by firing his legal team for having the temerity to tell him to STFU. I bet his next lawyer tells him to "be quiet". then he'll get fired, then the next and the next and so on....end digression) We need more "good" guys to appeal to the masses. Lee, you made your point. You have bloodied the nose of the IFBB, but leave it at that. Be a voice within the IFBB and act for change within the system. You and Bob should be on the same page on many of the issues that you have.
Are Lee's complaints really THAT outrageous? We all know this federation is not centered around the athletes. C'mon, anyone out of the top 10 at the marquee event of our sport, where everyone has to earn their entry, didn't even get a dime until last year? C'mon people, that is a sign of a minor league sport that is NOT ready for prime time.
My friends, isn't this the kind of backstabbing and politicking that we were complaining about in last weeks PBW regarding the Magazine Wars? We need to work together as fans and athletes and IFBB brass and suppliment companies and media groups and websites to grow our beloved sport. Yes, a little personality and conflict is fun and builds excitement. But when you get down to suspensions, lawyers, courts, etc...it's too much and can only damage our sport's reputation in the outside world.
WE NEED TO BRING IN NEW, OUTSIDE FANS TO GROW THIS SPORT!
To the IFBB head honchos, fine Lee and let him in the to the Big Show. Lee is a marquee name in this sport. Additionally, he is one of the few pros who actually has a life outside the industry. A real, visible presence outside the sport with his racing. I guarantee you (Lee, back me up on this) that any story about Lee in the racing media (magazine, web sites, word of mouth by racing fans) mentions that he is a professional bodybuilder. That builds interest outside the narrow confines of the sport.
Lets face it, this sport and industry is pretty small and insular. You know each other, you talk to each other, you sleep with each other, you marry each other, you interview each other, you rat on each other, you don't rat each other, you (rarely) kill each other... We don't attract many outside fans. We don't get any play on ESPN or ESPN 2 or ESPN 8 "the ocho". (Even if there were an ESPN 8, would pro BB be on it?) We have very few crossover athletes. Arnold certainly is. Lou is still famous. Can we include Triple H? Roided up baseball players don't bring people to the sport. (perhaps outside of the interview Canseco did on PBW.)
Lee is one of the few athletes with crossover potential. Im sorry, but Ronnie is not well spoken nor articulate as the champion in our sport. (Is everyone on crack, Ronnie? How very middle-school-playground of you.) Jay seems nice, but he doesn't seem to have a dynamic personality for media presentation. Dexter seems like a personable, media friendly pro. We have great diversity in our sport, except for maybe Asians. We need to use that to our advantage. Gunter would be a great draw. (Muscular, tall, good smile, exotic accent, very Arnold-like.) Maybe he could get some face time on network TV via Kim Lyons' reality show on NBC, The Biggest Loser.
Look how many regular folks go the Expo at the Arnold. This is where the new fan base will come from. One of the great things about having it in Columbus, Ohio is that the event takes over the town for a week. It is the biggest event in the region. Local media, government officials, local tourism officials, etc. put their muscle (no pun intended) and influence behind event. You get crossover fans from the other sport at the Arnold Weekend, but the centerpiece of the whole giant event is the Men's Professional Bodybuilding. I imagine that by comparison, the Olympia gets lost in the hustle and bustle of Vegas. I have been to the Arnold and seen this first hand. I have not been to the O, but I can imagine it is only one of many events in Vegas that it has to compete for publicity. Do local Vegas residents come to the Olympia, or is it just BB fans who travel from far across the fruited plain and the world? I know for a fact that the Arnold draws in a huge number of "regular" citizens and that gives our sport important exposure not to mention Arnold's drawing power. Thank god Arnold still shows up for the event and isn't just a name on the sign.
We need to keep our eye on the long term viability of the sport and work on bringing new fans into the sport. Isn't this why we introduced Fitness and then Figure? To broaden the appeal of the sport? Lee has great crossover drawing power with the racing fans. He is one of the few crossover athletes in this sport. It is especially important to strike while the iron is hot as Lee had a great year in racing. He is sure to bring in fans for this show. (Name one competitor who can draw more outside fans to the O this year) If he isn't there to compete, we will lose potential fans. Not to mention that if Lee is punished too harshly, he may leave the IFBB all together, which would be a loss of a marquee name.
I don't think this small sport can survive having two excusive federations. That dilutes the talent pool and you don't compete against ALL of the best BBers. It would be like boxing with three separate organizations. Who is the champion? The IFBB should remove the exclusivity clause. If the athletes are to be treated as independent contractors rather than as paid members of the IFBB, then they should be allowed to compete where they want. Competition can only strengthen the sport. We, of all people, understand that growth comes via working against resistance and pushing your limits and going outside your comfort zone. But I fear that the IFBB doesn't want resistance or competition and doesn't want to change and improve. They feel comfortable as a monopoly and therefore won't feel compelled to work on improving the mass appeal of the sport. Go ahead IFBB, keep doing the same routine over and over and wonder why you don't grow...
Thanks for your attention,
Jayhawk
Great post. Well thought out. Here's my response:
Lee does have a good opportunity to advertise the sport. Perhaps he could show support for the PDI (or IFBB) at his races. Maybe he can get the IFBB or PDI to sponsor races. Gunter could perhaps work out a deal with the makers of the movie "Beerfest" which he's working with. He could have them include a preview of the Mr. Olympia contest or something. Melvin Anthony can become a dance choreogropher or even appear in videos and music videos. There's plenty of opportunity to make an attempt to broaden the sport but the Weider's know the consequences that will bring.
Bodybuilding is a multi-million dollar industry. The money exists which can be used to start an advertisement campaign. Commercials on television, radio, and newspapers. New locations for shows which would have them stand out, rather than be drowning in a sea of competition. The Weider's have made no effort in building an advertisement campaign for a specific reason. If their sport were to become recognized by the media, it would become a horror story. Suspicions of doping would run rampant. The Weider legacy (which took an entire generation to build up) would be crushed. The Weider legacy would become an embarrassment.
If we want to continue to enjoy these shows, we need to continue to keep our heads low. We, the true bodybuilding fans need to understand this.
This is the sad reality of our sport. It is a hopeless sport but the lifestyle will burn in our hearts forever.
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I could see belonging to two separate unions in two similar companies creating a conflict of interest for the employee, however, in Lee's case, there are no unions.
It is like not being allowed to work two part time jobs in two different stores. It makes no sense whatsoever.
See now I see that could be a problem for the IFBB. They are not a union nor are the members employees. In fact they don't get paid by the IFBB. yet the IFBB puts a stranglehold on them and prevents them from making money elsewhere. Really the IFBB has no legs to stand on. The basically dictate how a member can live their life within the industry yet privide nothing in return. The courts will eat them alive. This could have been out many years ago but no onehas had the balls till now with Lee. And the advantage Lee has over any other IFBB BB is that he does not rely on IFBB contests to make money. He has other ways like racing and now the PDI. Lee is going to travel around the world and make some pretty good coin with the IFBB. And he also has the best possible witness and support.
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Go scrub some toilets, you enlisted puke... officers are talking here! >:(
lol sorry buddy thats not my job, thats yours :-*
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sorry but lee is a good bb but who cares. He got 15 years in let it go for god sakes damn. He did all them years in the ifbb why start over with pdi
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sorry but lee is a good bb but who cares. He got 15 years in let it go for god sakes damn. He did all them years in the ifbb why start over with pdi
Some pretty damm good paydays and respect. Something the IFBB doesn't offer
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Isn't Chick trying to get the rules changed? Is he not asking for a vote to allow the athletes to participate in non IFBB sanctioned events?
Thing is all the lazy ass BB pros will not get behind it, cause some are happy with the way it is, at least the top guys are. They don't wanna rock the boat. The other guys really don't matter they have no pull and they know it and are afraid to speak up. What are they gonna do anyhow, they are just lucky they feel, to be a part of it.
To be realalistic also there is no other game in town, the PDI is a sinking ship, my advice is to jump off.
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I just sent Jim Manion a Email expressing my concerns over the inability of the IFBB to uphold there rules and the inconsistency they seemingly have over there rules and guide lines , I also expressed concern that in Lee,s case they may be acting illegally and that if this being the case how could a non profit organisation pay for legal representation if this matter should go to court , and I also asked when Steve Wannabuger will be receiving his suspension for attending , and thus showing his support for the same event that lee is in strive for !!
Don't expect to get a reply though , there goes my pro career down the drain ;D ;D
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Lee does have a good opportunity to advertise the sport...There's plenty of opportunity to make an attempt to broaden the sport but the Weider's know the consequences that will bring.
Bodybuilding is a multi-million dollar industry...
Former IFBB Fitness/Figure pro Kim Lyons is now one of the stars of NBC's "Biggest Loser".
It'll be interesting to count how many times the IFBB is mentioned this season on the show. So far, I believe they're up to zero.
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Isn't Chick trying to get the rules changed? Is he not asking for a vote to allow the athletes to participate in non IFBB sanctioned events?
Thing is all the lazy ass BB pros will not get behind it, cause some are happy with the way it is, at least the top guys are. They don't wanna rock the boat. The other guys really don't matter they have no pull and they know it and are afraid to speak up. What are they gonna do anyhow, they are just lucky they feel, to be a part of it.
To be realalistic also there is no other game in town, the PDI is a sinking ship, my advice is to jump off.
AMEN
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Go meltdown somewhere else, boy. BTW, who the hell are you anyway??? The only WNBF pro's I know in Tx is Dave Goodin and Scott Trout. I'm assuming you're someone I know...... ??? Even if I knew you, I really wouldn't care anyway.
In any case, I will still have to wait another 2 years anyway to meet the 7 year requirement and not have to argue with the guy doing the poly's as to how I got a waiver. Which gives me plenty of time to do more shows. So go dance around with a chuckle "pro" title. Because it doesn't mean a hill of beans if no-one knows who you are.
Have a nice day, pro sucka mc.
No melt down here dick weed. I never said you knew anyone in Texas. I mentioned to LEE PRIEST that my buddy saw him at the gym Lee trains at IN TEXAS. I told my buddy to go up to Lee and ask him what he thought of YOU. NO WHERE in my post did I say you were in Texas. YOU were the one saying I sent someone to spy on you (dear lord...mega-delusions). You are such a retard....you know that? I guess I will have to live with the fact I am a "sucka mc"......cant think of anything else that could be worse.......oh wait....I can....the only thing worse would be...BEING YOU!
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Hey Lee---
Why don't you picket outside the olympia...My guess is you would have a min...of 25 people(fans) follow....You could even flip the switch and picket about the IFBB not drug testing for steroids....The people in Vegas would eat it up...
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I"ve said this on another thread, but it goes here just the same. If a TV actor on a sit-com (a member of AFTRA) gets a part in a movie and becomes a member of SAG in the process, does he get fired from the TV show because he acted in another union? Of course not! Not in the entertainment biz. Actors are free to make as much as they can.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. It is sports entertainment (like wrestling), so the participants should be treated as entertainers and not athletes. Once you do that, then all this sports federation mumbo-jumbo, which doesn't mean shit anyway, is irrelevant and then everyone can endeavor to make as much money as they possibly can. If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
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Lee got screwed for doing whats best for him!! >:(
His right to compete anywhere he wanted!!
Which in this case it was the PDI :(
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I"ve said this on another thread, but it goes here just the same. If a TV actor on a sit-com (a member of AFTRA) gets a part in a movie and becomes a member of SAG in the process, does he get fired from the TV show because he acted in another union? Of course not! Not in the entertainment biz. Actors are free to make as much as they can.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. It is sports entertainment (like wrestling), so the participants should be treated as entertainers and not athletes. Once you do that, then all this sports federation mumbo-jumbo, which doesn't mean shit anyway, is irrelevant and then everyone can endeavor to make as much money as they possibly can. If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
Good point not to mention the ridiculous wordings and its interpretations , this is already exciting :D
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Yes the fact that the IFBB is a larger entity than Lee and are trying to suppress him will bring up lots of problems for old Ben W. I'm sure a labor attorney will be able to tear the IFBB apart.
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I"ve said this on another thread, but it goes here just the same. If a TV actor on a sit-com (a member of AFTRA) gets a part in a movie and becomes a member of SAG in the process, does he get fired from the TV show because he acted in another union? Of course not! Not in the entertainment biz. Actors are free to make as much as they can.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. It is sports entertainment (like wrestling), so the participants should be treated as entertainers and not athletes. Once you do that, then all this sports federation mumbo-jumbo, which doesn't mean shit anyway, is irrelevant and then everyone can endeavor to make as much money as they possibly can. If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
SAG/AFTRA are almost interchangible. AFTRA includes radio also I think. A SAG card is not distingushiable between TV and Film. I have been out of the business since 1995 but aren't both SAG and AFTRA paid together now. Not sure though.
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I"ve said this on another thread, but it goes here just the same. If a TV actor on a sit-com (a member of AFTRA) gets a part in a movie and becomes a member of SAG in the process, does he get fired from the TV show because he acted in another union? Of course not! Not in the entertainment biz. Actors are free to make as much as they can.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. It is sports entertainment (like wrestling), so the participants should be treated as entertainers and not athletes. Once you do that, then all this sports federation mumbo-jumbo, which doesn't mean shit anyway, is irrelevant and then everyone can endeavor to make as much money as they possibly can. If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
John, conceptually interesting but perhaps not applicable. SAG and AFTRA are unions and as such fall under a whole different area of law. The IFBB is not a union. Entertainment or sports again is irrelevant, it is a private organization. The rules and regulations do not preclude anyone from making "as much money as they possibly can". They only preclude the issues regarding other federations etc.
Now let me be clear, I like Lee and enjoy his company and seeing him on stage. Let me also state that I am just fine with there being a PDI. I might joke about it here and there but I would be happy to see it successful. I believe in competiton in business. But there is an important point here. Lee has perhaps caused the demise of the effectiveness of any action against the IFBB by showing that he can indeed earn monies in competition by competing outside of the IFBB. In creating the showdown by competing and winning in the PDI he may have lost any showing of damages aginst the IFBB.
Anyway John, I am sure you have done some competent research and would really be interested in hearing the concepts behind what you have learned, perhaps we could speak at the Olympia sometime when we get a chance. And Lee, let's talk too if you like. I have no horse (or in your case car) in this race. Just my humble opinions.
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Perhaps I shall run for Athletes Rep in the spring.
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how about the NABBA Universe October 7, Southport, England
i tell you what, if Lee Priest shows up there im taking a fuckin day off work!!! Am only down the road in Liverpool ;D
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i tell you what, if Lee Priest shows up there im taking a fuckin day off work!!! Am only down the road in Liverpool ;D
So many people have mentioned this October 7 show.
Lee, are you competing at the NABBA Universe October 7, Southport, England?
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If he did compete he would dominate it like a gang rape. If he just makes an appearance, thats good enough for me!!!
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there's a new book out about curt Flood and the free agency issue and you're right maybe 10 percent of today's pros know who he was, sad.
Yes, its sad. I recently read where many of the young black players don't even know who Jackie Robinson was.
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I"ve said this on another thread, but it goes here just the same. If a TV actor on a sit-com (a member of AFTRA) gets a part in a movie and becomes a member of SAG in the process, does he get fired from the TV show because he acted in another union? Of course not! Not in the entertainment biz. Actors are free to make as much as they can.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. It is sports entertainment (like wrestling), so the participants should be treated as entertainers and not athletes. Once you do that, then all this sports federation mumbo-jumbo, which doesn't mean shit anyway, is irrelevant and then everyone can endeavor to make as much money as they possibly can. If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
True and for the record.I want to compete in the IFBB i just don't like unfair stupid rules that are only used when they weant.Yes the judging is not always fair(i am happy with my placings)I am talking for others who have been screwed bad year after year.So you see when i say IFBB i mean the rule and all that other crap not an individual.I want to see this get better for all bodybuilders i have a few years left but after that i want to see it better then when i was competing for the new ones coming up.
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i tell you what, if Lee Priest shows up there im taking a fuckin day off work!!! Am only down the road in Liverpool ;D
October 7th and 8th i am racing.But i will be over there for the show 22nd october and then i have 4 seminars around England.
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I can feel some MAJOR bird flipping coming out of this one!
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Perhaps I shall run for Athletes Rep in the spring.
Oh you think you meet the standards for that.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?Feed=FT&Date=20060921&ID=6040016>1=8506
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John, conceptually interesting but perhaps not applicable. SAG and AFTRA are unions and as such fall under a whole different area of law. The IFBB is not a union. Entertainment or sports again is irrelevant, it is a private organization. The rules and regulations do not preclude anyone from making "as much money as they possibly can". They only preclude the issues regarding other federations etc.
Now let me be clear, I like Lee and enjoy his company and seeing him on stage. Let me also state that I am just fine with there being a PDI. I might joke about it here and there but I would be happy to see it successful. I believe in competition in business. But there is an important point here. Lee has perhaps caused the demise of the effectiveness of any action against the IFBB by showing that he can indeed earn monies in competition by competing outside of the IFBB. In creating the showdown by competing and winning in the PDI he may have lost any showing of damages against the IFBB.
Anyway John, I am sure you have done some competent research and would really be interested in hearing the concepts behind what you have learned, perhaps we could speak at the Olympia sometime when we get a chance. And Lee, let's talk too if you like. I have no horse (or in your case car) in this race. Just my humble opinions.
Thank you Ian. I realize the difference between a union and a club. The point I'm making is not whether or not the IFBB can promulgate a set of rules, the point is whether or not their rules are lawful. A private club cannot enforce rules that are unlawful.
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If the IFBB wants to sign athletes to contracts and pay them to compete for them, then that is another story. Right now, bodybuilders are independent contractors/ free agents. The IFBB's rules might say one cannot appear outside the federation, but now the legality of those rules is going to be explored. I think this is going to get interesting.
If the IFBB had the sense to just pay its pro card holders a few hundred bucks a year, they could have fortified their position immensely. They should have known this day might come eventually. Don't pros actually pay the IFBB to be members?
Imagine the YMCA telling you you can't use another gym...?!
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Perhaps I shall run for Athletes Rep in the spring.
honestly you are a smart kid and know the sport pretty well. You would have to mature a bit but i think you could pull it off.
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honestly you are a smart kid and know the sport pretty well. You would have to mature a bit but i think you could pull it off.
yep, i agree on the maturity thing. i've gotten a lot better, i used to be quite the prick here. by spring i should be ready to give chic a run for his money.
bob, there's still time to shape up and do what's right for the guys!
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yep, i agree on the maturity thing. i've gotten a lot better, i used to be quite the prick here. by spring i should be ready to give chic a run for his money.
bob, there's still time to shape up and do what's right for the guys!
Well....while you're working on the maturity thing...you might want to take a minute to learn what the difference is between being a plaintiff and a defendant.
It might help you in your quest...
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Well....while you're working on the maturity thing...you might want to take a minute to learn what the difference is between being a plaintiff and a defendant.
It might help you in your quest...
I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
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www.helpleepriest.org
figure it out...
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www.helpleepriest.org
figure it out...
That's not my website, Bob. I didn't build it, nor do I have any part of it. I have no knowledge of it other than what I read on getbig with everyone else.
So, um...
What did you mean by :
Well....while you're working on the maturity thing...you might want to take a minute to learn what the difference is between being a plaintiff and a defendant.
It might help you in your quest...
???
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My bad, bro...thought you built it.
who did?
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My bad, bro...thought you built it.
who did?
I dunno.
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Clownboy-
Change your wording,and it will stay...keep posting it and I'll have you banned.
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Clownboy-
Change your wording,and it will stay...keep posting it and I'll have you banned.
YOUR ASS WILL BANNED LIKE LEE PRIEST IS TO THE IFBB :P
**YOU KNOW U WANTED TO SAY THAT CHICK**
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www.helpleepriest.org
according to the site:
"Lee Priest will become part of bodybuilding history as the lone gladiator, "David", going up against giant, "Goliath", when he participates in what will be an EPIC battle against the IFBB's unfair business practices and anti-trust violations perpetrated against IFBB Pro bodybuilders. Lee will be fighting for the rights of all bodybuilders in all federations.
Help him with a donation to his legal defense fund! By making a donation you are showing your support for the sport of bodybuilding. A step in the right direction to make this a better sport for both the athletes and the fans! Lee thanks his fans for their continued support."
LEGAL DEFENSE FUND? does this mean the ifbb is suing Lee?
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BINGO!
Lee said this site was made by a lawyer friend of his....
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BINGO!
Lee said this site was made by a lawyer friend of his....
Where did i say that? I said it was made by a fan BOB please check your facts as usual you are WRONG
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Where did i say that? I said it was made by a fan BOB please check your facts as usual you are WRONG
May want to check YOUR fact, or at least remember what YOU wrote, bro...
Re: Ok lets play :)
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2006, 07:46:27 PM »
I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....
Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.
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May want to check YOUR fact, or at least remember what YOU wrote, bro...
Re: Ok lets play :)
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2006, 07:46:27 PM »
I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....
Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.
No Bobby BOY you read it wrong.It says i didn't ask anyone to do it.Then it says i know a lawyer who will take it with no money up front.Meaning i dont need money 2 different sentences.So BOB you LOOSE AGAIN.
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Where did i say that? I said it was made by a fan BOB please check your facts as usual you are WRONG
If you in no way endorse this site Lee, you should get your lawyer to talk to this guy. He may be sullying your name to scam people, for all you know. We've all seen how fast scammers come out of the woodwork after bona fide tragedies...(not that this qualifies as one) ;)
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If you in no way endorse this site Lee, you should get your lawyer to talk to this guy. He may be sullying your name to scam people, for all you know. We've all seen how fast scammers come out of the woodwork after bona fide tragedies...(not that this qualifies as one) ;)
No he is not a scammer he was just trying to help.
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Ok,
I wrote my letter in support of Jabes/Priest.
I wonder how many letters from GetBig they will recieve? Interesting to see how it will all pan out.
Sandra
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The point I'm making is not whether or not the IFBB can promulgate a set of rules, the point is whether or not their rules are lawful. A private club cannot enforce rules that are unlawful.
Exactly correct. Here's Bob's argument in a nutshell:
My country club has a "no negroes" rule. Rule 2.395 clearly states that if you try to bring a negro into the club with you, your membership will be suspended. By joining the club and signing your yearly membership card, you are agreeing to all the rules and regulations... after all, you don't have to join this club, there are other clubs out there. If you don't agree with the rules, you are free not to join this club.
Anyway, last week my neighbor brought a negro into the club with him. He was fully aware of the rules when he did this, and knew it would result in his suspension. He, of course, was suspended for this. He says he's going to sue, but I think he's full of hot air... after all, he DID agree to the rules each and every time he renewed his membership. Since he's made it clear that he hates our club and its rules, I don't know why he's bothering... he should just go elsewhere anyway.
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Change your wording,and it will stay...
It was worded that way for a reason... to exaggerate the racist aspect of the rule. But, in deference to the ridiculously oversensitive, I changed it.
...keep posting it and I'll have you banned.
Blow me.
If Ron hasn't been able to effectively ban me, what makes you think you can? What are you gonna do, post my BB.com sales records? ::)
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Who cares
Nobody was crying when Lee didnt do the O last year. The O will go on without him.
Peace :)
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Blow me.
If Ron hasn't been able to effectively ban me, what makes you think you can? What are you gonna do, post my BB.com sales records? ::)
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Ha! Ha! What about it Boob,I mean Bob, you going to ban everyone who doesn't see things your way. Kinda Ifbbish, aren't you. Except we don't give a rats-ass about your so-called statis or who you think you are.Do the right thing & back Lee, & don't do him like Aaron Baker was done either.
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May want to check YOUR fact, or at least remember what YOU wrote, bro...
Re: Ok lets play :)
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2006, 07:46:27 PM »
I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....
Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.
Bob, you truly have a interpretation problem. This might be why you are getting nowhere with the IFBB. No where in that letter does it say his attorney did the website. Get your facts straight. You are looking stupid.
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Sgt Dumb shit! your not very bright are you?
Monster 2 post.
Dude Lee is not the only person competing in the olympia. Let the shit go. I will be at the O and will be glad for you to call me sgt dumb shit to my face, see ya soon ;D