3 worst Presidents in History...

[Option D]

Franklin Pierce (sp)

[Brixtonbulldog]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm pretty sure lying to congress to get us into a war is pretty illegal.  and yes, he did.  Don't give me that intelligence failure crap either...

Libs hate that argument cause it makes it impossible to continue blaming Bush.  Every intelligence agency from US to Britain to Germany to France to .. I could go on forever.. thought Saddam had more WMDs than were found.  Saddam even admitted that after he destroyed or moved the bulk of what he had only a couple months before the invasion he aggressively played smoke and mirrors to make other countries think he did. 

[tu_holmes]

Ulysses S. Grant
Warren G. Harding
Richard M. Nixon

My opinion on W.
(George W. Bush is tentative as not enough time has passed to know just how bad the repercussions are.  History may also vindicate him in time depending on if there is a political shift in the Middle East as a result of his policies.)

This is my list except with Hoover in for Nixon...

[tu_holmes]

Libs hate that argument cause it makes it impossible to continue blaming Bush.  Every intelligence agency from US to Britain to Germany to France to .. I could go on forever.. thought Saddam had more WMDs than were found.  Saddam even admitted that after he destroyed or moved the bulk of what he had only a couple months before the invasion he aggressively played smoke and mirrors to make other countries think he did. 

It's not the intelligence... it's the audacity of the Administration that pisses me off.

To say "We know where they are", then to say, "We're not sure where they are."

To say, "We know he has them", and then changing it to "we believed he had them."

Instead of coming out and saying, Our intelligence is showing us that he has this or that... Bush basically walked into the room and said, listen up Mofos... I KNOW it's there... I KNOW WHERE... Now vote for War or you're a bunch of idiots.

So, yeah... I take issue with Bush, but not in the same way as everyone else.

[Busted]

So you are telling me that George W bush who got us through 911, the dotcom bust, enron etc scandals, is worse than Andrew Jackson who basically told the Us Supreme court to fuck off when they ruled in the Cherokees favor to keep the land and forcibly removed them to Oklahoma?

Trail of Tears ring a bell?

Buchannan - refused to challenge spead of slavery in what would be become the confederate states

Andrew Johnson - was impeached because he opposed reconstruction including the 14th amendment after lincoln died...

Warren G Harding - dude played poker while his friends plundered he US treasury

Is this a joke?

[Brixtonbulldog]

It's not the intelligence... it's the audacity of the Administration that pisses me off.

To say "We know where they are", then to say, "We're not sure where they are."

To say, "We know he has them", and then changing it to "we believed he had them."

Instead of coming out and saying, Our intelligence is showing us that he has this or that... Bush basically walked into the room and said, listen up Mofos... I KNOW it's there... I KNOW WHERE... Now vote for War or you're a bunch of idiots.

So, yeah... I take issue with Bush, but not in the same way as everyone else.

He's a politician and he's not going to just read intelligence reports aloud to the country.  Any politician would do the same and that was only one reason to kill Saddam.   The Iraq war wasn't a mistake even though the media has made it seem so for 5 years.

[tu_holmes]

He's a politician and he's not going to just read intelligence reports aloud to the country.  Any politician would do the same and that was only one reason to kill Saddam.   The Iraq war wasn't a mistake even though the media has made it seem so for 5 years.

The money we're spending on it proves it was a mistake.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The money we're spending on it proves it was a mistake.

If we can pay off the debt then no it's not.  I agree that we should have killed him in 91 and saved all that money but his Dad pussed out at 100 hours.

'Sides, I'd rather pay to kill third-world, islamo-fascist dictators than pay Jerome on the street to sling junk and LaQueasha to pop out a few more future criminals.

[tu_holmes]

If we can pay off the debt then no it's not.  I agree that we should have killed him in 91 and saved all that money but his Dad pussed out at 100 hours.

'Sides, I'd rather pay to kill third-world, islamo-fascist dictators than pay Jerome on the street to sling junk and LaQueasha to pop out a few more future criminals.

That's why abortion should remain legal... so that people don't have to pop out kids they don't want or can't afford.

Personally, I'd rather see that money stay in the US... I don't give a shit about some islamo-fascist dictator as you put it.

[Brixtonbulldog]

That's why abortion should remain legal... so that people don't have to pop out kids they don't want or can't afford.

Personally, I'd rather see that money stay in the US... I don't give a shit about some islamo-fascist dictator as you put it.

Yeah until he gives millions to terrorist groups to kill American civilians.  You think we should wait til he stated invading neighbors again?

People shouldn't have the INCENTIVE to have kids they can't take care of in the first place.  I don't think that qualifies as a good reason to "keep the money in the US."

I think you should take a hard look at your priorities, buddy.

[tu_holmes]

Yeah until he gives millions to terrorist groups to kill American civilians.  You think we should wait til he stated invading neighbors again?

People shouldn't have the INCENTIVE to have kids they can't take care of in the first place.  I don't think that qualifies as a good reason to "keep the money in the US."

I think you should take a hard look at your priorities, buddy.

Dude,

Saddam was in check... everyone knew he was in check... what part of no WMDs did you not catch.

Saddam wasn't invading anyone and you damn well know it.

Even if he did... How is that the US's problem?

You need to look at YOUR priorities I think... When 3rd world countries that may as well be glass as far as I'm concerned are bigger priorities than America.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Dude,

Saddam was in check... everyone knew he was in check... what part of no WMDs did you not catch.

Saddam wasn't invading anyone and you damn well know it.

Even if he did... How is that the US's problem?

You need to look at YOUR priorities I think... When 3rd world countries that may as well be glass as far as I'm concerned are bigger priorities than America.

Violated the UN cease-fire 17 times = NOT in check

Playing shadow games with weapons inspectors for years = NOT in check

Torturing and murdering civilians by the thousands = NOT in check

Sponsoring Terrorism = NOT in check

The point was to keep him from becoming a problem, which he was continually for over 20 years.

[tu_holmes]

Violated the UN cease-fire 17 times = NOT in check

Playing shadow games with weapons inspectors for years = NOT in check

Torturing and murdering civilians by the thousands = NOT in check

Sponsoring Terrorism = NOT in check

The point was to keep him from becoming a problem, which he was continually for over 20 years.

Sponsoring Terrorism? Where? Show me that proof.

As far as the other items... He was totally in check... was he difficult, yes, but he wasn't causing a problem... No one gave a damn about Saddam before George Bush started tying him to Al Qaeda and you know it.

[pumphard]

The money we're spending on it proves it was a mistake.

5 trillion for the war for 50 trillion worth of oil, some mistake...............

you Mexicans will never understand the big picture

[Le4rner]

Franklin D. Roosevelt - Brought us the Fed and income tax
Lindon Johnson -  Expanded Vietnam a war we never should have been in while his wife profited from ownership in Bell helicopter (made the Huey UH 1 helicopter)
George W Bush - Failed terribly to live up to his oath to execute and protect the constitution.


IMO Bill Clinton should be in there as the body count since he took office is staggering.  Pretty much anyone set to testify against him (Monica the exception) seems to commit suicide.

[Decker]

Violated the UN cease-fire 17 times = NOT in check

Playing shadow games with weapons inspectors for years = NOT in check

Torturing and murdering civilians by the thousands = NOT in check

Sponsoring Terrorism = NOT in check

The point was to keep him from becoming a problem, which he was continually for over 20 years.

He was no imminent threat to the US.  He was complying with UNRes 1441.

The invasion was still illegal and Bush is a mass murderer.  I think the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis would agree with  me.

[Brixtonbulldog]

He was no imminent threat to the US.  He was complying with UNRes 1441.

The invasion was still illegal and Bush is a mass murderer.  I think the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis would agree with  me.

Still counting the insurgents with the civilians I'm sure.  Illegal my foot.

[stormshadow]

Franklin D. Roosevelt - Brought us the Fed and income tax

What are you talking about??

The Fed was created in 1913 under Woodrow Wilson, the same year the 16th amendment instituted the income tax.

[Le4rner]

lol  damn typeo,  I was bouncing back and forth between Wilson and FDR.  FDR lengthened the Depression by interfering in the market.

Wilson helped greatly to bring us the creature from Jekyll island (The Fed) and income tax(due to debt money). 

When posting do you ever think one thing and type another?  Ummm, yea thats what happened.  Sorry about that.

[tu_holmes]

5 trillion for the war for 50 trillion worth of oil, some mistake...............

you Mexicans will never understand the big picture

You do some research and show where the US has received ANY oil money from Iraq... Oh wait... You can't, because it HASN'T.

Since you live in Canada and can't vote for the real power... do yourself a favor and stay out of the business of the adults here in the US.

We're changing the world and you're just hanging to our nut sacks trying to get a peep at the vag we destroy on a daily basis.

[Decker]

Still counting the insurgents with the civilians I'm sure.  Illegal my foot.

Yes I am.  I will dog the Bush people/supporters for the rest of my days to remind them of the pointless and murderous killings aka the Iraqi invasion.

You can't prove it was legal.

Worst presidents?  Truman, Reagan and Bush the Lesser.

[Decker]

lol  damn typeo,  ... FDR lengthened the Depression by interfering in the market.

...

If by "lengthened the Depression" you mean "ended the Depression" then you have something there.

[Le4rner]

If by "lengthened the Depression" you mean "ended the Depression" then you have something there.

lol  Riiiiiiiiight! 

Govt is the solution.  Do you know what cause the depression or what it was?  Wall street collapsing was not it.  It played a role, but only happened because all loans were called in after the currency in circulation had been reduced over and over and over again.  The fed caused it.  Less than ten years after it was set up to protect the economy, it creates the depression.  Having enough currency in circulation to match the debt could have ended it right away.  That is why Burnanke is pumping tons of cash into the economy.  He spent his life studying the depression and its cause.

FDR had peoples gold confiscated, but that wasn't in your middle school book was it?  That gold moved to Ft. Knox has never been inventoried.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Reagan

Typical lib, decker.  Have you even once deviated from the socialist big gov't mindset?

[spotter]

george w bush
jimmy carter
james buchanan

I agree Big....if the list was longer, I'd say Grant too...