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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2009, 05:20:32 PM »
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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2009, 05:24:31 PM »
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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2009, 11:41:00 PM »
It won't be your cell phone I worry about as much. you guys should be forced take lessons on driving in colder climates.  The hazard you warm weather drivers pose is probably 10 times worse than drunk drivers.  It gets a little slick and you fools are all over the place stacking up and crashing into others.  Do me a favor and stay down there with your cell phone, lack of driving ability and selfish attitude. ;)

Ain't that the truth!

Cali drivers are among the best drivers in the US, ...but the moment they encounter snow or ice, all hell breaks loose.
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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2009, 11:42:01 PM »
No worries.  Won't be going there in the winter and chance one of those blizzards that you get.  Just so you know, I don't wouldn't talk on the phone in conditions like that.  Both hands would be on the steering wheel the whole time.

So you admit talking on the cell phone while driving impedes one's abilities behind the wheel?
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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2009, 12:06:52 AM »
Ain't that the truth!

Cali drivers are among the best drivers in the US, ...but the moment they encounter snow or ice, all hell breaks loose.
same thing with texans.  Never fails, I'll be driving on icy roads and get past by somebody from TX or CA going way to fast and sure as shit be passing them in the ditch not long after or stoping to help if it's bad.

and, I've always been able to react faster to any slide with one hand on the wheel.  Two hands impede control for me.  But that's just being on icy roads so much and it's what works well for me.  They don't have any instinct of what to do when they start to slide, but no problem, they're free to drive in conditions they have no clue how to handle.  very annoying.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2009, 12:18:10 AM »
same thing with texans.  Never fails, I'll be driving on icy roads and get past by somebody from TX or CA going way to fast and sure as shit be passing them in the ditch not long after or stoping to help if it's bad.

and, I've always been able to react faster to any slide with one hand on the wheel.  Two hands impede control for me.  But that's just being on icy roads so much and it's what works well for me.  They don't have any instinct of what to do when they start to slide, but no problem, they're free to drive in conditions they have no clue how to handle.  very annoying.

Yep. ...been there many a time. Or the ones who don't have a clue about how to handle a skid.

Was once behind a guy going ALL over the road. This was on Hwy 401. This guy just could not get control, and no one was taking the chance of trying to get ahead of him, cause he was all over the road... all 4 westbound lanes.

Finally he came to a stop, ...sideways in the middle of the road. I went passed him then, ...sure enough Cali plates.
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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2009, 07:09:10 AM »
So you admit talking on the cell phone while driving impedes one's abilities behind the wheel?


In a snow storm it can.  It only takes common sense based on the weather conditions, winds, rain, snow, black ice.    Even traffic conditions affect if I'm on the phone or not.

Again it's common sense.  Presently there are conflicting studies about cell phone use.  Oddly, I've never been close an accident on the phone, however, i have while not on the phone.

The article i last posted also brought some good points about other distractions that are similar to cell phone use.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2009, 11:20:42 AM »
This sucks. 

Mayor signs cell phone ban for drivers
By Star-Bulletin staff

POSTED: 12:11 p.m. HST, May 07, 2009

Starting July 1, Honolulu motorists will not be allowed to use hand-held cell phones and other electronic devices while driving, under a bill signed by Mayor Mufi Hannemann today.

Bill 4 prohibits text messaging, the use of laptop computers, e-mailing and electronic game-playing while driving. Violators will be subject to fines of $15 to $100, as determined by the state District Court.

Motorists will still be allowed to use cell phones with a hands-free device.

“Our intent is to ensure drivers keep their attention focused on the road, where it belongs,” Mayor Hannemann said at a bill-signing ceremony at Honolulu Hale. “We all must be more careful and more considerate of other drivers and of pedestrians, especially the elderly, children and the disabled.”

The new law exempts:

>> Emergency responders such as police officer and firefighters who are performing official duties.

>> The use of two-way radios while performing work-related duties, such as operating a taxi.

>> Drivers holding a valid amateur radio operator license issued by the Federal Communications Commission.

The City Council approved the measure on April 24 by a vote of 6 to 1.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/breaking/44556127.html

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2009, 11:42:00 AM »
Most Hawaiians drive like a cat on ice when it rains.

Scary shit. As bad as the tourists sometimes...

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2009, 11:44:44 AM »
Really?  I haven't noticed that.

And not to get all technical, but I think you mean "Hawaii drivers" and not "Hawaiians" (which are actually an ethnic group). 

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2009, 11:46:51 AM »
Really?  I haven't noticed that.

And not to get all technical, but I think you mean "Hawaii drivers" and not "Hawaiians" (which are actually an ethnic group). 

Yep yep.

"Hawaii drivers"

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2009, 03:14:38 PM »
wtf dude, really?

That would ruin my diet.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2009, 02:00:10 PM »
 >:(

Honolulu drivers with hand-held gadgets to get fine, not warning
Starting July 1, drivers who are caught using hand-held devices risk being ticketed
By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writer

Honolulu police plan to ticket drivers who disobey a new law that bans mobile electronic devices immediately after it goes into effect July 1 — a change that may take many drivers by surprise.

"I don't know what the law is, what the fine is or even when it starts," said Karen Taumua of Waimanalo, in a comment typical of many drivers.

The answers are:

Potentially confusing. The law applies only to O'ahu and bans "hand-held mobile electronic devices" while driving. "Hands-free" devices will be allowed.

Asked by reporters yesterday about several possible exceptions, Maj. Thomas Nitta, commander of the HPD's traffic division, said his officers will ticket drivers caught with electronic devices in their hands while driving. It will then be up to the drivers to prove to a judge that they should not have gotten a ticket, Nitta said.

"The person will be cited based on what we observe," Nitta said.

The fine is $67 for a first offense and a judge may impose additional penalties for subsequent offenses, which could possibly run as high as $500, said deputy prosecutor Lori Nishimura.

The law goes into effect July 1 and officers will not be letting violators off with warnings.

"There will be no grace period," Nitta said.

Honolulu police have set up a page on their Web site, www.honolulupd.org, to try to clarify details of the law.

The effort to spread the message to O'ahu residents as well as tourists is ramping up as well. The Department of Transportation plans to meet with HPD officials next week about reminding drivers about the law on its electronic sign boards — and at Honolulu International Airport and at airport rental car companies to remind tourists.

"We're definitely willing to get the word out to drivers," said DOT spokeswoman Tammy Mori.

According to information provided by Honolulu police yesterday, a "mobile electronic device" is "any hand-held or other portable electronic equipment capable of providing wireless and/or data communication between two or more persons or of providing amusement, including but not limited to a cellular phone, text messaging device, paging device, personal digital assistant, laptop computer, video game, or digital photographic device. The law does not prohibit the use of audio equipment installed in a motor vehicle for the purposes of providing navigation, emergency assistance to the operator of the motor vehicle, or video entertainment to the passengers in the rear seats of a motor vehicle."

As Nitta said yesterday, "use is considered any time you have a device in your hand."

But there are several exceptions, Nitta said:

Drivers can legally make 911 emergency calls while driving. Patrol officers, however, won't know the difference between that and an illegal call. So drivers who are ticketed will have to show their cell phone bill to a judge proving they were making a legitimate 911 call at the time listed on the ticket.

The law allows drivers to make calls or send text messages after pulling over to the side of the road. To be legal, they first have to turn off their cars' engines, Nitta said.

Drivers can use their phones' "push-to-talk," walkie-talkie-like systems for work purposes. Again, Nitta said, officers won't know the difference between a legal, work-related conversation and an illegal non-work call. Because walkie-talkie conversations usually don't appear on a cell-phone bill, Nitta said ticketed drivers most likely will have to provide the judge with a letter from their employer.

To Jake Thompson — a music promoter from the Punahou area who's constantly on the phone — the law is complicated and destined to frustrate Honolulu drivers.

Thompson ended a cell phone call yesterday and said: "There's going to be a lot of confusion. You know they're going to end up rewriting the law after everyone gets frustrated and complains and writes letters."

Graham Henderson, a student at San Francisco State University, regularly disobeys California's ban on cell phones while driving and plans to keep making calls — and texting — while driving whenever he visits Honolulu.

"I haven't been caught yet so I'll keep doing it," Henderson said. "It is super dangerous. I still do it all the time."

'take my chances'
Mia Graffam, who lives Downtown, just finished sending a text message yesterday and said she probably will hide her cell phone under the dash after July 1 so she can keep texting while driving.

"Texting while driving is dangerous," she said. "But I'll take my chances."

Nitta has no idea how many tickets his officers might issue in the first few days the law goes into effect. Instead, Nitta said, the emphasis is on changing drivers' behavior instead of issuing lots of tickets that will end up generating fees for the state, not the city.

Nitta referred to a hono luluadvertiser.com poll that found that 50 percent of respondents plan to buy hands-free technology to comply with the new law, 25 percent won't talk on the phone while driving after the law goes into effect and 25 percent don't plan to change their driving-while-calling behavior.

"As long as you have the device in your hand, it's considered a violation," Nitta said. "The purpose of this law is to prevent you from being distracted from something else other than operating your vehicle."

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2009, 03:18:22 PM »
This sucks. 

Mayor signs cell phone ban for drivers
By Star-Bulletin staff

POSTED: 12:11 p.m. HST, May 07, 2009

Starting July 1, Honolulu motorists will not be allowed to use hand-held cell phones and other electronic devices while driving, under a bill signed by Mayor Mufi Hannemann today.

Bill 4 prohibits text messaging, the use of laptop computers, e-mailing and electronic game-playing while driving. Violators will be subject to fines of $15 to $100, as determined by the state District Court.

Motorists will still be allowed to use cell phones with a hands-free device.

“Our intent is to ensure drivers keep their attention focused on the road, where it belongs,” Mayor Hannemann said at a bill-signing ceremony at Honolulu Hale. “We all must be more careful and more considerate of other drivers and of pedestrians, especially the elderly, children and the disabled.”

The new law exempts:

>> Emergency responders such as police officer and firefighters who are performing official duties.

>> The use of two-way radios while performing work-related duties, such as operating a taxi.

>> Drivers holding a valid amateur radio operator license issued by the Federal Communications Commission.

The City Council approved the measure on April 24 by a vote of 6 to 1.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/breaking/44556127.html
well, you wanted a list and it looks like they gave you a list.  What sucks?  Can't afford a bluetooth lol?

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2009, 03:21:50 PM »
well, you wanted a list and it looks like they gave you a list.  What sucks?  Can't afford a bluetooth lol?

Who wanted a list?  List of what? 

This law sucks. 

I don't want a bluetooth, but I'm getting one.   >:(

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #90 on: June 08, 2009, 03:55:09 PM »
Who wanted a list?  List of what? 

This law sucks. 

I don't want a bluetooth, but I'm getting one.   >:(
maybe it was ozmo, I thought you mentioned something about the law being to vague.  hell maybe it was me that mentioned it lol...  The bluetooth works great, it's faster and way more convienent while driving.  Just take it off when you get out of the car so you don't look like a douchebag.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #91 on: June 08, 2009, 04:01:21 PM »
maybe it was ozmo, I thought you mentioned something about the law being to vague.  hell maybe it was me that mentioned it lol...  The bluetooth works great, it's faster and way more convienent while driving.  Just take it off when you get out of the car so you don't look like a douchebag.

I probably said something like it being too vague.  I don't think this is enforceable.  You can get ticketed for holding a device in your hand.  If you get ticketed, you have to prove that either you were not holding it, or that you were calling 911.  Don't like it. 

Bluetooth.  >:(     

And how is using Bluetooth safer than holding the phone in your hand?  I always drive with one hand anyway.  If talking is the distraction, Bluetooth doesn't solve that problem. 

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #92 on: June 08, 2009, 04:03:57 PM »

it's crap.  It's a useless law, that hasn't yet proven that it decreases accidents. 

It's really a lame way for state government and city governments to suck up more money.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2009, 12:34:31 AM »
I probably said something like it being too vague.  I don't think this is enforceable.  You can get ticketed for holding a device in your hand.  If you get ticketed, you have to prove that either you were not holding it, or that you were calling 911.  Don't like it. 

Bluetooth.  >:(     

And how is using Bluetooth safer than holding the phone in your hand?  I always drive with one hand anyway.  If talking is the distraction, Bluetooth doesn't solve that problem. 
I don't care what people say, talking may be a distraction for some, but talking and holding the phone is surely a greater one.  Bluetooth is easier because you don't have to do anything.  You just say, "Call Darth Vader" and it'll call Darth for you with your hands never leaving the stearing wheel.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #94 on: June 09, 2009, 12:35:25 AM »
it's crap.  It's a useless law, that hasn't yet proven that it decreases accidents. 

It's really a lame way for state government and city governments to suck up more money.
you're insane.  Conspiracy theories now?  You?  hahahahaha

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #95 on: June 09, 2009, 07:06:27 AM »
you're insane.  Conspiracy theories now?  You?  hahahahaha

No...........   But doling out fines for stupid crap does increase revenue.
I don't care what people say, talking may be a distraction for some, but talking and holding the phone is surely a greater one.  Bluetooth is easier because you don't have to do anything.  You just say, "Call Darth Vader" and it'll call Darth for you with your hands never leaving the stearing wheel.

Stupid weak argument based on nothing.


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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #96 on: June 09, 2009, 07:13:24 AM »
Man, every single day I am irritated by an innefficient driver TEXTING while driving, and it makes me want to punch someone.

These people are fat, slow, annoying.  They drift outta their lanes.  They have 2 or 3 ratty kids in the back. And they're smoking.  And they're texting with this ignorant look on their face. 

And when you beep out of frustration and perhaps to warn them that they are driving 1000 pounds of metal at 45 mph in an unsafe manner, they flip you the bird and shout some profanity.

Seriously, you should be allowed to shoot such people on sight.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #97 on: June 09, 2009, 07:23:38 AM »
Man, every single day I am irritated by an innefficient driver TEXTING while driving, and it makes me want to punch someone.

These people are fat, slow, annoying.  They drift outta their lanes.  They have 2 or 3 ratty kids in the back. And they're smoking.  And they're texting with this ignorant look on their face. 

And when you beep out of frustration and perhaps to warn them that they are driving 1000 pounds of metal at 45 mph in an unsafe manner, they flip you the bird and shout some profanity.

Seriously, you should be allowed to shoot such people on sight.

"Every" single day?   Those are bad drivers, period.   A bad driver's texting causes them to swerve.  A "good" driver doesn't text if it causes him to swerve or if they have children in the car.

If its happening "every" single day, perhaps you should run for congress, start a petition or move.

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #98 on: June 30, 2009, 05:07:44 PM »
Bluetooth.   >:(  $70.   >:(  Law takes effect 1 July (tomorrow).  I have a feeling I'll be updating this thread when I get caught checking my e-mail at a stoplight.   :-\

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Re: Council votes to ban use of cell phones while driving
« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2009, 06:19:25 AM »
Does anyone drive with two hands?  I never do.  I don't think holding a cell versus hands free will make a lick of difference when it comes to concentrating on the road.  If the genuine issue is safety then they should ban all cell phone use while driving.  
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