Decline press- most underrated exercise

[tbombz]

LMAO bro ya youre right...everyone else is wrong, youre right  

you know often times when you find yourself the only one arguing a certain stance and multiple ppl are on the opposite side of the fence. Those are perfect times to stop, take a step back and reassess your stance with an unbiased eye.

Instead though you have seemed intent on doubling down on ignorance so ill leave it alone. Good luck dizzle in your future fitness related endeavours but please limit your willful ignorance to yourself and dont infect the minds of others...

  definitely has to be considered a meltdown...


MELTDOWN

[tbombz]

(there is a difference between being able to grow lats from benching and the possibility of weak lats limiting a strong bench from making further progress, and if the lats did any significant work during the bench then you coudl grow lats from doing bench)

[chaos]

Let's keep the name calling on the g&schmoe, we're having a good "debate" here.

[dyslexic]

I like to bench press and focus on my lats during the lift...

[tbombz]

Let's keep the name calling on the g&schmoe, we're having a good "debate" here.

oh, my heart is a flutter.. 

[chaos]

oh, my heart is a flutter.. 

Trying to keep it civil here.........maybe Gene was right about you.

[chaos]

I like to bench press and focus on my lats during the lift...

On declines? Absolutely.

So tbombz.....do you think the lats become involved when you do dips?

[tonymctones]

(there is a difference between being able to grow lats from benching and the possibility of weak lats limiting a strong bench from making further progress, and if the lats did any significant work during the bench then you coudl grow lats from doing bench)

who said lats do significant work during a bench press???

LMAO FACT is though that the lats play a big role in any bench press...

FACT is that stregthning your lats can help build your bench press...

FACT is that your lats have more than "zero involvement in any bench press" 


sorry hoss FACT is the lats play a big role in bench pressess...do you disagree?

[tbombz]

who said lats do significant work during a bench press???

LMAO FACT is though that the lats play a big role in any bench press...

FACT is that stregthning your lats can help build your bench press...

FACT is that your lats have more than "zero involvement in any bench press" 


sorry hoss FACT is the lats play a big role in bench pressess...do you disagree?

if the lats dont do any significant work, then how can they play a big role? you see, thats contradictory. not to mention your choice of words "the lats play a big role in any bench press" comes exactly out of the copy+paste you posted earlier in the thread. 

strengthening your lats will not build your bench press. 

 strengthening your lats can prevent the lats from becoming the "weak link" during bench, but only once youve built up a huge bench and if you havent been training lats along the way as well. 

[tonymctones]

if the lats dont do any significant work, then how can they play a big role? you see, thats contradictory. not to mention your choice of words "the lats play a big role in any bench press" comes exactly out of the copy+paste you posted earlier in the thread. 

strengthening your lats will not build your bench press. 

 strengthening your lats can prevent the lats from becoming the "weak link" during bench, but only once youve built up a huge bench and if you havent been training lats along the way as well. 

LOL not its not contradictory...just b/c they dont do any significant lifting of the weight doesnt mean they dont play a big role in bench presses...your hams and lower back dont do any significant lifting in squats but building those will help increase your squat as well...

actually dizzle there is, while it may not be the muscle that is being targeted the lats play a very big role in benching...

I actually made this statement before I started getting quotes to own your dumb ass...

[chaos]

 strengthening your lats can prevent the lats from becoming the "weak link" during bench, but only once youve built up a huge bench and if you havent been training lats along the way as well. 

If lats have "zero involvement" in benching how can they be a "weak link"?

[NaturalWonder83]

i guess everyone in this thread is wrong except candizzle

[tonymctones]

i guess everyone in this thread is wrong except candizzle

LOL not only that but world famous powerlifters as well 

[tbombz]

strengthening your lats can prevent the lats from becoming the "weak link" during bench , but only once youve built up a huge bench and if you havent been training lats along the way as well.

[jpm101]

Flawed logic. Or better still, maybe no logic applied at all.

[tbombz]

Flawed logic. Or better still, maybe no logic applied at all.

expand, or be quiet 

[chaos]

expand, or be quiet 

What muscles are involved in the bench press movements? incline, flat and decline?

[tbombz]

What muscles are involved in the bench press movements? incline, flat and decline?

www.google.com   

[chaos]

www.google.com   

I guess this means you admit defeat?

[tbombz]

I guess this means you admit defeat?

[bigbadwolfe]

As the biggest raw and shirted lifter here I will say LATS ARE INVOLVED IN BENCHING!!! They may not be the primary muscle involved but they are involved. Involved enuf I train mine 2 times a week a big back means a big bench!!!

[bigbadwolfe]

No need Wolfy was a real big help.

 

Sorry Chaos computer was donw for a week!!!

[chaos]

Sorry Chaos computer was donw for a week!!!

Thanks buddy, hope all is well.

[bigbadwolfe]

This is off of the Westside Barbell webpage talking about my training it is a article wrote about bench pressing by Louie Simmons one of the BESt strength coaches alive!!! Here is the qoute:

"Next up is Mike Wolfe, a bench-only SHW with an 859-pound bench. His speed day is 225 pounds with a mini or monster mini or light bands much like Tony’s. Both have a 600-pound raw bench. Mike likes 9 sets of 3 reps, with 3 sets with the index finger touching the smooth, 3 sets 2 inches out from the smooth and 3 sets with the little finger touching the ring. After speed benching he will do 2 sets of dumbbell presses with a moderate weight or 100 or 110 pounds for 15 reps, then do triceps extensions. Mike likes dumbbell roll-backs and extensions with the elbows out to the side. Mike uses 125 pounds for a lot of his dumbbell extensions. You have to have a strong upper back to handle 800 pounds in the bench. Lots of rows with dumbbells or a barbell, chest-supported rows, and low-pulley rows are rotated in and out during the weeks of training. Shrugs, side and rear delt work, and hammer curls round out the speed day."

Here is the whole article if you wanna read it!!

http://www.westside-barbell.com/articles/bench-workouts/

[tbombz]

hamstrings are involved in barbell rows. fact.

triceps are involved during dumbell flys. fact.

abs are involved during squats. fact.

rear delts are involved during masterbation. fact.


 whats your point???    you will never increase your bench by strengthening your lats, and youll never grow lats from doing bench.

as i said once before, it is possible that lats could cause your bench to suffer if you never trained your lats and were powerlifting bench press for a few years. then, in that extreme case, they become a proverbial "weak link"... outside of that rare exception, lats dont play any role in bench, despite the very minor ancillary useage..    just like rear delts during masterbation..