911 Burning the Quran ....right or wrong???

[Tito24]

[Fatpanda]

i honestly believe that once the oil runs out, there will be a very bad turn in relations between the middle east and the western world. i also think that patience will run out soon regardless if this stuff keeps up.

the fact is the western world only need to push a button and the middle east is gone - this fact alone makes me wonder how things have gotten this bad, does al queda want to have their people wiped out ?

its like a child poking a bear with a stick  - the bears patience will only last so long.

also the entire world better hope the terrorist factions within islam do not get their hands on a dirty bomb (nuclear or chemical) - as this would only do 2 things, 1- piss the bear off and 2 - destroy any resistance to nuclear retaliation by fair minded people.

[Ron]

Simply put - respect begets respect.  No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah.  All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.

Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect.  It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem. 

Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad?  Get over it - they are not.


As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite.  And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.

Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.

[CalvinH]

I just burnt my underwear after coming out of the bathroom

[CC973]

Simply put - respect begets respect.  No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah.  All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.

Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect.  It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem. 

Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad?  Get over it - they are not.


As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite.  And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.

Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.

I agree that no religious text should be burned.  It does not accomplish or prove anything other than peoples level of ignorance and hate.

I disagree about the ground zero cultural center/mosque.  Saying that it should not be built near ground zero is in effect holding the religion of Islam accountable for the atrocities committed by a small group of fanatical nutjobs.   Their very actions place them outside the fold of Islam.   They can call themselves Muslims but they are not.  Islam should not be condemned based upon the actions of those who act outside of the religion.

[Top Dog]

i honestly believe that once the oil runs out, there will be a very bad turn in relations between the middle east and the western world. i also think that patience will run out soon regardless if this stuff keeps up.

the fact is the western world only need to push a button and the middle east is gone - this fact alone makes me wonder how things have gotten this bad, does al queda want to have their people wiped out ?

its like a child poking a bear with a stick  - the bears patience will only last so long.

also the entire world better hope the terrorist factions within islam do not get their hands on a dirty bomb (nuclear or chemical) - as this would only do 2 things, 1- piss the bear off and 2 - destroy any resistance to nuclear retaliation by fair minded people.

Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.

[The Showstoppa]

Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.

BINGO !!

[Top Dog]

Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?

[Fury]

Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?

4 Christian aid workers were beheaded in Somalia yesterday and the Muslims won't turn over their bodies because they said infidels don't get graves.

[The Showstoppa]

4 Christian aid workers were beheaded in Somalia yesterday and the Muslims won't turn over their bodies because they said infidels don't get graves.

Such a wonderful religion.

[CC973]

Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?

That nonsense goes both ways...

U.S. Soldiers Charged With Killing Afghans At Random, Collecting Fingers As Trophies

» By Danielle Canada September 10, 2010, 9:40am


Twelve U.S. soldiers are facing charges after military officials say they killed civilians in Afghanistan for fun and collected their fingers as trophies.

The men were said to be part of a secret Afghan “kill team” that blew up and shot civilians at random and then collaborated on cover-up schemes to justify the deaths.
Military officials say five of the soldiers murdered three Afghan men for sport in separate attacks this year while seven others covered up the killings and assaulted a recruit who “snitched” and exposed the attacks.

Officials say Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs was moved to Afghanistan after serving time in Iraq and boasted about things he got away with including the murder of civilians.
Gibbs was the reported head of the “kill team” and assisted in the murder of an Afghan man that was hit with a grenade before being shot with a rifle.
Officials say at least one of the men collected fingers from the dead as trophies while several of them posed for pictures with the dead bodies.

A number of the soldiers are also charged with stealing and smoking the drug “hashish” from civilians.

[The Showstoppa]

That nonsense goes both ways...

U.S. Soldiers Charged With Killing Afghans At Random, Collecting Fingers As Trophies

» By Danielle Canada September 10, 2010, 9:40am


Twelve U.S. soldiers are facing charges after military officials say they killed civilians in Afghanistan for fun and collected their fingers as trophies.

The men were said to be part of a secret Afghan “kill team” that blew up and shot civilians at random and then collaborated on cover-up schemes to justify the deaths.
Military officials say five of the soldiers murdered three Afghan men for sport in separate attacks this year while seven others covered up the killings and assaulted a recruit who “snitched” and exposed the attacks.

Officials say Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs was moved to Afghanistan after serving time in Iraq and boasted about things he got away with including the murder of civilians.
Gibbs was the reported head of the “kill team” and assisted in the murder of an Afghan man that was hit with a grenade before being shot with a rifle.
Officials say at least one of the men collected fingers from the dead as trophies while several of them posed for pictures with the dead bodies.

A number of the soldiers are also charged with stealing and smoking the drug “hashish” from civilians.

Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?

[George Whorewell]

And where is your source for this story?

[Fury]

Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?

Have you seen this guy's previous posts? He's a moron.

[CC973]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/08/us-soldiers-killed-afghan-civilians-for-sport-and-collected-fingers-as-trophies/

[che]

Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.

I disagree , first of all I doubt  10% of Muslims are radical/extremist
Are you saying that every Muslim in the world who doesn't engage in terrorism is nevertheless a latent supporter of terrorism because he doesn't make loud proclamations against it ?  

[Top Dog]

I disagree , first of all I doubt  10% of Muslims are radical/extremist troops
Are you saying that every Muslim in the world who doesn't engage in terrorism is nevertheless a latent supporter of terrorism because he doesn't make loud proclamations against it ?  

Uh no, Ron used 10%.  Whatever the number, the rest of the group needs to clean it up because they are using the religion to conduct their terrorism. Noone sees it happening, hence the skepticism with the religion as a whole. Not all Muslims are terrorists but an overwhelming amout of terrorism is being conducted in the name of Islam. If you don't agree to that reality then you are just an apologist for the behavior.

[CC973]

Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?

It doesn't.    

Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar.    That's not Islam.

[Top Dog]

It doesn't.    

Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar.    That's not Islam.

Then why doesn't the 90% or billions of other Muslims reign in this group as they are doing it in the name of their so-called peaceful religion?

[Fury]

It doesn't.    

Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar.    That's not Islam.

Nice try. 

Everything they do is because of Islam. They are just following what the Koran dictates. Maybe you should try reading it sometime.

[CC973]

lol.  I have read the Quran many times.

Just because someone says they are acting in the name of Islam or Christianity that doesn't make it so.

Anyone can pull apart scripture, take it out of context, and use it to back whatever their personal agenda happens to be.

[Fury]

lol.  I have read the Quran many times.

Just because someone says they are acting in the name of Islam or Christianity that doesn't make it so.

Anyone can pull apart scripture, take it out of context, and use it to back whatever their personal agenda happens to be.

I seriously doubt you've read one sentence of the Koran. Keep trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, though.

[Lundgren]

Then why doesn't the 90% or billions of other Muslims reign in this group as they are doing it in the name of their so-called peaceful religion?

Because you can reign a hidden minority no more than usa can stop mexican drug lords.

It's more like 1 percent islamic extremeist. There are about 1.66 billion muslims. There's only 250mil  in the middle east. and only a small fraction of them support jihad. Iran and saudi arabia use religion to keep power and not vice versa (power to fuel their religion). Everywhere else islam is used by gangsters and thieves to give what their doing some noble meaning. When in reality there just like the mexican drug lords, WASP's italian, mobsters, russian oligarch, or limosine liberals.

You guy think that most muslims are pro tali ban when it's probally less than 2 or 3 million(1-2 percent). and another ten mil that support them only so they can eat and be safe.

You gotta understand Islam is a blanket term used by everyone to simplify a world of over 1.66 billion people. It's the most misused word of the century.

You guys confuse, racist's, theists, Tali ban, Autocrats, Kings, Gangsters, Thieves, and far right wack jobs. There not one, it's like saying every bad in the west happen's due to Christian.

[Tito24]

that preaching of violence in the quran probably was relevant in a backwarded desert site where tribes fought eachother. same with the stupid thing of not eating flesh of a pig. which was probably relevant that time because of the fastening expiring date. these morons place everything in the context of modern times.

[Fury]

that preaching of violence in the quran probably was relevant in a backwarded desert site where tribes fought eachother. same with the stupid thing of not eating flesh of a pig. which was probably relevant that time because of the fastening expiring date. these morons place everything in the context of modern times.

It's because Moohammed accounted for this by throwing in little clauses like saying that everything in the Koran is infallible, irrefutable and anyone who disagrees or fails to uphold any of the values preached by it is to be executed.