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Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« on: December 02, 2014, 03:37:36 AM »
What are your thoughts on losing weight while trying to keep as much muscle? Is it better to cut to an immediate, say, 1500 calories, or to gradually step it down? No drugs are being used, steroids or otherwise.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 04:03:45 AM »
What are your thoughts on losing weight while trying to keep as much muscle? Is it better to cut to an immediate, say, 1500 calories, or to gradually step it down? No drugs are being used, steroids or otherwise.

if u r not worried about losing some muscle then the big decrease is fine, otherwise id drop slowly and start very far out (5 months or so)so u can hit your peak when u want
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2014, 04:16:51 AM »
if u r not worried about losing some muscle then the big decrease is fine, otherwise id drop slowly and start very far out (5 months or so)so u can hit your peak when u want

No hate, but I'll take the opposite view.

Drop the calories to 2000ish, keep lifting and moving more, and you'll look 1000x better.  Don't worry about losing muscle, you're probably big enough anyway, and most of the weight you'll lose will be water and fat.

This game is a marathon.  If you don't like the way it turns out, eat more and lift and you'll get bigger again.  But the gradual decrease puts you in no man's land.
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 04:21:37 AM »
Its common sense to lower gradually.

Start easy then decrease cals/up your cardio as you progress....

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 04:26:54 AM »
No hate, but I'll take the opposite view.

Drop the calories to 2000ish, keep lifting and moving more, and you'll look 1000x better.  Don't worry about losing muscle, you're probably big enough anyway, and most of the weight you'll lose will be water and fat.

This game is a marathon.  If you don't like the way it turns out, eat more and lift and you'll get bigger again.  But the gradual decrease puts you in no man's land.


the only way i ever looked decent was when i went zero carbs, ive tried almost every other way and i never quite got the look i wanted. when i went zero carbs i looked like a greek statue,dont get me wrong i was never a big guy but as far as being hard it really worked well for me. my buddy just gets flat and scrawny from my diet with no carbs though, i think trial and error is what it comes down to, some guys can get ripped eating 7000calories a day while guys like me will get smooth with 2500calories even when im active,if i cut the carbs though i can keep my calories alittle higher and still get hard,if i tried cutting out all fats and sugers and was at 2500calories id get smooth,everything with me is carbs,i guess i just got a weird metobolism
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2014, 04:31:47 AM »

the only way i ever looked decent was when i went zero carbs, ive tried almost every other way and i never quite got the look i wanted. when i went zero carbs i looked like a greek statue,dont get me wrong i was never a big guy but as far as being hard it really worked well for me. my buddy just gets flat and scrawny from my diet with no carbs though, i think trial and error is what it comes down to, some guys can get ripped eating 7000calories a day while guys like me will get smooth with 2500calories even when im active,if i cut the carbs though i can keep my calories alittle higher and still get hard,if i tried cutting out all fats and sugers and was at 2500calories id get smooth,everything with me is carbs,i guess i just got a weird metobolism

I agree it's trial and error for the individual.

irongrip's a big guy.  I just think he should lean out and not get too cute with it.  It get over thought alot.
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2014, 04:35:34 AM »
I agree it's trial and error for the individual.

irongrip's a big guy.  I just think he should lean out and not get too cute with it.  It get over thought alot.

thats true,irongrips got enough muscle that even if he lost some thru diet hed still b a monster.
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 04:41:06 AM »
I'm a jump into the deep end of the pool kinda guy.

That walking into the swallow end little by little crap is for broads and homos.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2014, 05:17:20 AM »
why wait?just crash the diet and save lots of time
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2014, 05:18:32 AM »
Measure the skin fold of your waist every morning 3 times and note the average.
If lower or equal to the previous day, change nothing, else lower your carb & fat kcals by 2-3%

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2014, 06:06:04 AM »
What are your thoughts on losing weight while trying to keep as much muscle? Is it better to cut to an immediate, say, 1500 calories, or to gradually step it down? No drugs are being used, steroids or otherwise.



It depends on your age, if you're over 35 then I suggest you step it down gradually.



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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2014, 06:36:25 AM »
What are your thoughts on losing weight while trying to keep as much muscle? Is it better to cut to an immediate, say, 1500 calories, or to gradually step it down? No drugs are being used, steroids or otherwise.

It depends on how you want to diet. Both approaches can work.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2014, 06:48:53 AM »
I like to start with 2 weeks of low calls to make the hunger come back.

Or else i can't est half my meals of clean food lol

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2014, 10:51:38 AM »


It depends on your age, if you're over 35 then I suggest you step it down gradually.



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LOL, what kind of broscience shit is that?
Uh pardon, I answered my own question.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2014, 11:16:22 AM »
DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH DROPPING CALORIE SLOWLY BULLSHIT !!!
GO TO AT LEAST 1000 CALORIE DEFICIT RIGHT FROM THE START !!!
2000 CALORIE SHOULD BE ABOUT RIGHT FOR A MALE WHO TRAIN WITH WEIGHT AND DO CARDIO.
DROPPING THE CALORIE GRADUALLY JUST TAKE TO LONG OF A TIME TO GET LEAN AND YOU MIGHT STOP BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR GOAL!!!

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2014, 11:25:23 AM »
if u r not worried about losing some muscle then the big decrease is fine, otherwise id drop slowly and start very far out (5 months or so)so u can hit your peak when u want

This x 2 and it depends how much fat you need to lose.
In my case, I opted to cut off my head and immediately lost several lbs of ugly fat.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 11:47:58 AM »
go hard or go home

no pussy ass shit

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2014, 12:11:49 PM »
In my experience there is no reason to slowly decrease calories.  Just drop them down and get lean as fast as possible.  If you are training hard you won't lose nearly as much muscle as you think and you will get to where you wanna be much faster.  You will be really hungry the first few days and may not feel as strong but the idea is to get to the bodyfat you want to be at, then go from there.  Id also like to note that dropping my carbs down is the only way Ive ever been able to get lean and harder looking.  Has anyone here tried like a 3 week keto diet with 1-2 refeeds per week?  I've always been curious about a short strict keto diet since Im not one for long dieting...i like to live too much!

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2014, 12:16:17 PM »
Eat every 2nd day, so easy to slim down  ;)
Don't follow  TV/media, relocate to non commercial location (isolated farm)
Just watch porn on DVD's.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2014, 12:25:20 PM »
Eat every 2nd day, so easy to slim down  ;)
Don't follow  TV/media, relocate to non commercial location (isolated farm)
Just watch porn on DVD's.

 ;D

I've actually been curious about intermittent fasting for a while now.  I always thought it would better to try eating maybe 2 large meals every day.  Like breakfast and dinner.  I haven't bought into the 6 smaller meals theory for a few years now and I feel much better eating larger less frequent meals throughout the day.  I actually feel that I look a little better.  I also cut out all fart powder and supplement garbage.  And guess what, no difference either!  If I'm in a pinch i might buy a protein bar now and then but thats it.  I also take a multivitamin every day.  It's crazy how the supplement industry fabricates pure shit and spoon feed it to people to the tune of millions.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2014, 12:26:44 PM »
In before TA shows up to tell us that you don't need to drop calories at all to lose weight.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2014, 04:52:23 PM »
I agree it's trial and error for the individual.

irongrip's a big guy.  I just think he should lean out and not get too cute with it.  It get over thought alot.

Haha, yes, as noted in the "bigger guy roll call" thread.

Seriously though, I'm going to drop to 2000 a day for a few weeks,then try to drop and hold at 1800 a day until I get the look desired. Will post thong pics when I get ripped ( no homo).

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2014, 04:55:07 PM »
Haha, yes, as noted in the "bigger guy roll call" thread.

Seriously though, I'm going to drop to 2000 a day for a few weeks,then try to drop and hold at 1800 a day until I get the look desired. Will post thong pics when I get ripped ( no homo).

Good move.  You won't lose muscle.  You'll feel like it, but it will be minimal.  Up the movement too.
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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2014, 05:38:55 PM »
this is not the way to do intermittent fasting i.e. eating a large meal upon waking and then another one more than 8 hours later. you're never really fasted for a decent amount of time.

skip breakfast - your cortisol is at its highest in the morning leading to fat storage - do morning cardio, and if you HAVE to, eat lunch and dinner. otherwise just eat dinner after doing fasted training.

cutting calories gradually makes no sense. just drop as low as you can and subsist exclusively on your minimum required protein. ~800cals.

keto is a finishing touch. cheat meals are not full days of eating. you can get away with a LOT more the leaner you get, and the less you eat the other days.



I'm gonna try this for 3 weeks.  I'm not a bigger guy and don't have a ton of fat to lose, but I'd like to get back to 8% and then build from there.  I usually play a hockey game once a week and a soccer game once a week so I'll keep carbs reserved for those days.

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Re: Dieting: cut calories immediately or gradually?
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2014, 05:39:56 PM »
It helps tremendously if you understand what happens to your body when you suddenly cut calories.

It sees an upset homeostasis and it immediately realizes that the new deficit that has been taken has to be replaced immediately.

The easiest way for your body to do this is to grab hold of the nearest food it can find, which is muscle tissue. Readily available, hot to the touch, and expendable.

Think about it.


You lower your metabolism and slow your body by 1000 calories, it's gonna find them somewhere.


Gradual is the answer.


Start out by cutting the garbage first, the the types of carbs, which are usually included in the 'garbage'


Your body isn't going to just automatically adjust to a lower fuel intake. This is why extremely fat people can say "I eat like a bird and I still gain fat"

Yes, they do, and they will. Their bodies have become fat-storing machines. They are still gonna store fat regardless of the intake associated.

If you worked hard for the muscle you've gained, you'd better work just as hard to try and save it while you try to get your body to burn off excess fat.

It's not an easy task. This is why there aren't that many people who are extremely fit. High muscle content and low bodyfat levels.


More often we see either "thin-fatties" or Perma-Bulkers.