Why is the level of discourse so much more intelligent in Democratic Debates

[Dos Equis]

The way big business operates is a huge issue, did you see how much money Facebook paid in taxes? less then a middle class family, that's not fair, that's downright fucking immoral and unethical. Fairness is all that is needed, that's it.

Is is fair that a CEO earns a hundred times other employee's? is the fact that people like martine shkreli can buy a drug for a rare disease (thus a monopoly) and increase the price 3500% overnight? on the basis that comparitively so, other life saving treatments like aids medication can cost 100k, thus because it is a life saving treatment there is equity in it's effect. Sure that's good economic thinking, but is it ethical? fuck no, the system allows this, it's broke obviously.

Assuming what you say about facebook is accurate, I'd ask how many jobs did they create and how does their overall contribution compare to the contribution of a middle class family?  Nothing immoral, unethical, or unfair about it if you look at it from that perspective. 

Regarding CEO vs. employee pay, who cares if it's fair?  It's a private business.  I understand you are used to getting raped by the Canadian government, which takes most of what you earn, but the government has no business (so to speak) regulating private sector salaries.  How would you propose that be done anyway? 

[TuHolmes]

Assuming what you say about facebook is accurate, I'd ask how many jobs did they create and how does their overall contribution compare to the contribution of a middle class family?  Nothing immoral, unethical, or unfair about it if you look at it from that perspective. 

Regarding CEO vs. employee pay, who cares if it's fair?  It's a private business.  I understand you are used to getting raped by the Canadian government, which takes most of what you earn, but the government has no business (so to speak) regulating private sector salaries.  How would you propose that be done anyway? 

No they are not.

That's why they are incorporated in the first place right? They are able to achieve certain things and do certain things because they fall in line with government regulations and what not.

They are not private businesses on any level. Welcome to the real world.

Remember, the CEOs are not performance driven salaries. If you don't do your job well, you may get let go, but if you make 100K a year, that is not enough to coast on without a job for a bit.

If a CEO makes a few million, plus stock grants, then they get let go because of lack of performance, how are they going to be hurting?

Are you saying that the huge increase in the wage gap between CEO and employees is completely fair and not a problem at all?

Huge publicly traded companies are not the same as the small businesses that perhaps you are used to working in.

The gap in wages is a very big issue.

How much did Carly Florini make for a few years to run HP in the ground and lay off 30,000 people?

[Dos Equis]

No they are not.

That's why they are incorporated in the first place right? They are able to achieve certain things and do certain things because they fall in line with government regulations and what not.

They are not private businesses on any level. Welcome to the real world.

Remember, the CEOs are not performance driven salaries. If you don't do your job well, you may get let go, but if you make 100K a year, that is not enough to coast on without a job for a bit.

If a CEO makes a few million, plus stock grants, then they get let go because of lack of performance, how are they going to be hurting?

Are you saying that the huge increase in the wage gap between CEO and employees is completely fair and not a problem at all?

Huge publicly traded companies are not the same as the small businesses that perhaps you are used to working in.

The gap in wages is a very big issue.

How much did Carly Florini make for a few years to run HP in the ground and lay off 30,000 people?

Before I respond to this in more detail, are you seriously saying that facebook is a government owned business because it's a corporation?   

[TuHolmes]

Before I respond to this in more detail, are you seriously saying that facebook is a government owned business because it's a corporation?    

That is not what I stated at all.

I stated that they are not a "private business".

As they are a publicly traded company, they are bound by regulations set forth by the SEC as well as other government entities.

They are not "private".

[headhuntersix]

I think he responded like that because you quoted my post and then made up an argument I didn't make.

The way big business operates is a huge issue, did you see how much money Facebook paid in taxes? less then a middle class family, that's not fair, that's downright fucking immoral and unethical. Fairness is all that is needed, that's it.

Is is fair that a CEO earns a hundred times other employee's? is the fact that people like martine shkreli can buy a drug for a rare disease (thus a monopoly) and increase the price 3500% overnight? on the basis that comparitively so, other life saving treatments like aids medication can cost 100k, thus because it is a life saving treatment there is equity in it's effect. Sure that's good economic thinking, but is it ethical? fuck no, the system allows this, it's broke obviously.

If everyone is a community needed water and you inherited a fortune and could thus buy the lake and sell it to people. That's fucked up? it happens, the rights of those unable to purchase such things, due to circumstance, geography, age (a child) etc are usurped, because of money. That's capitalism, once you tie it to human needs, it will eventually cause what we are seeing now. The lake shouldn't be for sale, it's priceless and in reality tied to no man.

Human psychology is important as well, if you were lucky enough to be born into the a wealthy banker family, would you look to increase your gains or pull others up aka help someone. Most people are greedy by nature, altruism is fleeting, they will store the money away in offshore accounts, they can't possibly spend it. Money doesn't increase happiness (a well known fact) to a certain point, they have excess and store excess while others starve. Let that sink in, there are people dying from circumstance, living breathing humans suffering on a level we can't fathom, while a rich person has 10 billion stowed away, evading taxes, which is unfair and in turn could help those in actual need.

I understand there are people who would take advantage, I think people being lazy and taking advantage of minimal benefits (a shit home, little income) is much better then rich people taking advantage of everyone, is it not? A crackhead isn't causing issues of significant magnitude, the koch brothers are, they are raping the earth, do you not see the egregious violations of regulations at every turn? they are avoid penalty due to money, that's capitalism, what is ethical or fair about that? why would anyone support something like that? it's un-human, fuck a country, it's in direct contravention to humanity.

With money first and humans second, we will continue to spiral to our doom, it's only common sense , one painfully obvious.

Think Big Picture, what if you could start over? would you do things differently? if so, things probably need a change.

Yeah ok "Doc".....sorry but that's capitalism. You want socialism...with Ol Bernie or Hil telling us who is allowed to get rich? Has Hillary forgone any luxuries? How does she get to her vacations...does she cook her meals? Nope she is the 1% dipshit. This crap will never ever change. And you blame the Koch brothers?!!! Because George fucking Soros made his billions feeding the poor and commuting on a 10 speed.You silly libs.  

[headhuntersix]

That is not what I stated at all.

I stated that they are not a "private business".

As they are a publicly traded company, they are bound by regulations set forth by the SEC as well as other government entities.

They are not "private".

As are all companies both public and private. Facebook is beholden to its stock owners to make a profit....its easy for billionaires to lecture us. They don't have to ever worry about a thing. That kid will spend far more time rich then he ever did struggling or hustling.

[Dos Equis]

That is not what I stated at all.

I stated that they are not a "private business".

As they are a publicly traded company, they are bound by regulations set forth by the SEC as well as other government entities.

They are not "private".

I am distinguishing a private business from the government.  I am not making a distinction between companies that are publicly traded.  In this context, it doesn't matter whether facebook is a publicly traded company or not.  The government still has no right or business regulating facebook company salaries.  Which is why it doesn't.    

But I do recall Obama talking about something along these lines when he first ran for office.  Typical socialist mentality.  

[TuHolmes]

I am distinguishing a private business from the government.  I am not making a distinction between companies that are publicly traded.  In this context, it doesn't matter whether facebook is a publicly traded company or not.  The government still has no right or business regulating facebook company salaries.  Which is why it doesn't.    

But I do recall Obama talking about something along these lines when he first ran for office.  Typical socialist mentality.  

I didn't say that the government has a right to regulate salaries.

What I am stating, and this is where no one can possibly argue, is that the wage gap between CEOs and average employees has skyrocketed since the 80s.

Now, I'm not saying some CEOs are not worth that money, SOME certainly are, however a large percentage are not.

Take for instance some CEOs such as Carly Florini, or John Sculley were pretty terrible.

They make a crazy salary to do things that are without a doubt, sub par, yet are paid like they are superior to others when it is just not true.

Do you believe that CEOs of these corporations should be making 354:1 compared to the average worker? I can't possibly believe that you do. While some may and I emphasize "MAY" be worth that, certainly most are not.

The average CEO salary is over 12.5 Million dollars... AVERAGE.

[Las Vegas]

I am distinguishing a private business from the government.  I am not making a distinction between companies that are publicly traded.  In this context, it doesn't matter whether facebook is a publicly traded company or not.  The government still has no right or business regulating facebook company salaries.  Which is why it doesn't.    

But I do recall Obama talking about something along these lines when he first ran for office.  Typical socialist mentality.  

That's about the extent of it with him.  Toss out a scrap or two to keep up appearances, while he worked with Mr. Wall Street the AG.

[Las Vegas]

I didn't say that the government has a right to regulate salaries.

What I am stating, and this is where no one can possibly argue, is that the wage gap between CEOs and average employees has skyrocketed since the 80s.

Now, I'm not saying some CEOs are not worth that money, SOME certainly are, however a large percentage are not.

Take for instance some CEOs such as Carly Florini, or John Sculley were pretty terrible.

They make a crazy salary to do things that are without a doubt, sub par, yet are paid like they are superior to others when it is just not true.

Do you believe that CEOs of these corporations should be making 354:1 compared to the average worker? I can't possibly believe that you do. While some may and I emphasize "MAY" be worth that, certainly most are not.

The average CEO salary is over 12.5 Million dollars... AVERAGE.

And like you say, they KNOW they can afford to fuck people over.  High relative number of psychopaths in those positions.

[Dos Equis]

I didn't say that the government has a right to regulate salaries.

What I am stating, and this is where no one can possibly argue, is that the wage gap between CEOs and average employees has skyrocketed since the 80s.

Now, I'm not saying some CEOs are not worth that money, SOME certainly are, however a large percentage are not.

Take for instance some CEOs such as Carly Florini, or John Sculley were pretty terrible.

They make a crazy salary to do things that are without a doubt, sub par, yet are paid like they are superior to others when it is just not true.

Do you believe that CEOs of these corporations should be making 354:1 compared to the average worker? I can't possibly believe that you do. While some may and I emphasize "MAY" be worth that, certainly most are not.

The average CEO salary is over 12.5 Million dollars... AVERAGE.

I believe businesses should pay its leaders whatever the owners of the business believe is fair and reasonable.  

I don't really care what other people make.  If an employee doesn't like the fact his or her boss makes more money, the employee needs to work harder, climb the ladder, work to make changes within the company, or go work someplace else.  

What should not happen is government interference in this process.  

[AbrahamG]

You gotta love the opposition running out of things to say so they resort to calling a renown brain surgeon dumb 

Book smarts doesn't equate to every day intelligence.  Dr. Carson was born with two gifts.  Understanding the human brain and a steady hand.  That's it. 
In every other facet of life, he is Sarah Palin, at best.

[LurkerNoMore]

Book smarts doesn't equate to every day intelligence.  Dr. Carson was born with two gifts.  Understanding the human brain and a steady hand.  That's it. 
In every other facet of life, he is Sarah Palin, at best.

+1

[headhuntersix]

And Obama used to be able to give a speech and can run a campaign....that's about the limit of his talents.

[240 is Back]

And Obama used to be able to give a speech and can run a campaign....that's about the limit of his talents.

dude, it's 2015.

In 2008 and 2012, repubs on getbig tried the line "but obama is stupider.."

And they lost 2 elections cause they were willing to nominate a dumbass, assuming their dumbass would be better than the dem dumbass.

My ideas is the repubs DONT run a dumbass this time.  Instead, they run someone like cruz or rand with a BRAIN, and they win the election.  "obama is just as bad" didn't get many repubs to bother to vote.

[iwantmass]

Book smarts doesn't equate to every day intelligence.  Dr. Carson was born with two gifts.  Understanding the human brain and a steady hand.  That's it.  
In every other facet of life, he is Sarah Palin, at best.

Only stupid people make statements like this.  People.that are smarter are generally smarter in every facet of study.  That guy would run circles around you in whatever field of study he chose.  He didn't just study a book on surgery to get where he is at.  The criteria for med school involves a bit more than that, but then again, it's not like you will have to worry with that.  

If you misunderstood any of that, what I'm saying is you would be intellectually inferior to him in every way, just as you would be physically inferior to a pro athlete in every way

Next you will say he lacks street smarts.  Give me a break....

[The True Adonis]

Only stupid people make statements like this.  People.that are smarter are generally smarter in every facet of study.  That guy would run circles around you in whatever field of study he chose.  He didn't just study a book on surgery to get where he is at.  The criteria for med school involves a bit more than that, but then again, it's not like you will have to worry with that.  

If you misunderstood any of that, what I'm saying is you would be intellectually inferior to him in every way, just as you would be physically inferior to a pro athlete in every way

Next you will say he lacks street smarts.  Give me a break....

Ben Carson thinks the earth is 6000 years old.  Explain that please.

[iwantmass]

Ben Carson thinks the earth is 6000 years old.  Explain that please.

Pretty damn easy. I thought you were smarter than that.   If he actually claims to think that, he is lying just like all the other candidates.

[AbrahamG]

Only stupid people make statements like this.  People.that are smarter are generally smarter in every facet of study.  That guy would run circles around you in whatever field of study he chose.  He didn't just study a book on surgery to get where he is at.  The criteria for med school involves a bit more than that, but then again, it's not like you will have to worry with that.  

If you misunderstood any of that, what I'm saying is you would be intellectually inferior to him in every way, just as you would be physically inferior to a pro athlete in every way

Next you will say he lacks street smarts.  Give me a break....

Ouch.  You got me there.  Listen close this time, moron.  I acknowledged his "book smarts".  Yes, he could have probably studied just about anything and never got less than an A.  Doesn't change the fact that he
is a retard outside of medicine.  Hope this helps.

[iwantmass]

Ouch.  You got me there.  Listen close this time, moron.  I acknowledged his "book smarts".  Yes, he could have probably studied just about anything and never got less than an A.  Doesn't change the fact that he
is a retard outside of medicine.  Hope this helps.

Yes, that is actually exactly what it does.  It defies everything you just said.  When all the other kids were better than you at math, science, english, social studies, history, and pretty much anything that involved using your brain, it was because you were dumber than they were.  I know you thought you were better at sniffing glue and eating paint chips.  That wasn't it at all. They just didn't wanna engage in it so they let you Have at it. 

Tell me exactly what metric you quantify intelligence by,  because you can bet your ass he has a high iq or any other test that would measure intelligence

[AbrahamG]

Yes, that is actually exactly what it does.  It defies everything you just said.  When all the other kids were better than you at math, science, english, social studies, history, and pretty much anything that involved using your brain, it was because you were dumber than they were.  I know you thought you were better at sniffing glue and eating paint chips.  That wasn't it at all. They just didn't wanna engage in it so they let you Have at it. 

Tell me exactly what metric you quantify intelligence by,  because you can bet your ass he has a high iq or any other test that would measure intelligence

You obviously love the moron, so nothing I say will change your mind.  I love the whole earth being 6000 years old belief.  Or how he would have went Jackie Chan on the Oregon college shooter.  Nothing has changed.  He is still a moron and you are a butt hurt little person.

[iwantmass]

You obviously love the moron, so nothing I say will change your mind.  I love the whole earth being 6000 years old belief.  Or how he would have went Jackie Chan on the Oregon college shooter.  Nothing has changed.  He is still a moron and you are a butt hurt little person.

Good rebuttle.   You proved my point about being unintelligent, because you Cleary didn't comprehend my post in response to true adonis.  I said there is no chance he believes that,  and if he says he does, he is a liar.  Would it be the first time an intelligent person used religion to manipulate the intellectually inferior people like you? It happend all the time. 

I get that you think your daddy was a smarter mechanic than guys like carson.  Quite the opposite.  Carson would have turned a wrench way better than your daddy and diagnosed that engine problem much quicker.  Those jobs don't challenge guys of higher intelligence.  Guys like that end up designing the engine that your daddy worked on

[240 is Back]

Pretty damn easy. I thought you were smarter than that.   If he actually claims to think that, he is lying just like all the other candidates.

i think he was also lying about that popeyes robbery.

vegetarian heart surgeon sidesteps armed robbery that never gets reported, and it only comes to surface just as he wants to seem 'in touch' with gun owners, after saying he doesn't believe people that live in cities need semi-auto guns.

All truth.   he said it.   

[iwantmass]

i think he was also lying about that popeyes robbery.

vegetarian heart surgeon sidesteps armed robbery that never gets reported, and it only comes to surface just as he wants to seem 'in touch' with gun owners, after saying he doesn't believe people that live in cities need semi-auto guns.

All truth.   he said it.   

You won't catch me disagreeing with you on any of that.   However, given your disdain for telling the truth, it makes you quite the hypocrit.  Not only that, you only cite republican dishonesty and always seem to forget the democrats.

[Davidtheman100]

i think he was also lying about that popeyes robbery.

vegetarian heart surgeon sidesteps armed robbery that never gets reported, and it only comes to surface just as he wants to seem 'in touch' with gun owners, after saying he doesn't believe people that live in cities need semi-auto guns.

All truth.   he said it.   

Why are you convinced that he made up a story that made him look like a coward? Not all robberies are recorded or reported things happen everyday in the world that are illegal that nobody knows about....