Cholesterol Meds

[joswift]

The Bro Doctors were smart enough not to take the clot shot.

Once saw a panel of 7 Eye surgeons talking about revolutionary Laser eye surgery when it was just becoming popular

They all were gushing about how great it was......6 of them had glasses on...

[loco]

high bad cholesterol is 100% linked to clogging of arteries, heart disease and stroke.

are you denying scientific data?

LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature

In our analysis of three major reviews [Citation1–Citation3], that claim the cholesterol hypothesis is indisputable and that statin treatment is an effective and safe way to lower the risk of CVD, we have found that their statements are invalid, compromised by misleading statistics, excluding unsuccessful trials, minimizing the side effects of cholesterol lowering, and ignoring contradictory observations from independent investigators.

The usual argument in support of the lipid hypothesis is that numerous studies of young and middle-aged people have shown that high TC or LDL-C predict future CVD. This is correct, but association is not the same as causation. Few authors have adjusted for other CVD-promoting factors such as mental stress, coagulation factors, inflammation, infections, and endothelial sensitivity, all of which are closely related to LDL receptor abnormalities [Citation105]. For instance, mental stress can raise TC [Citation17,Citation18] possibly because cholesterol is necessary for the production of cortisol and other steroid stress hormones, and mental stress may cause CVD by an increased production of epinephrine and norepinephrine, which contribute to hypertension and hypercoagulation. The reason why high TC is a risk factor only for young and middle-aged people may be that mental stress is more common among working people than among retired senior citizens.

It is important to emphasize that LDL participates in the immune system by adhering to and inactivating all kinds of microorganisms and their toxic products and that many observations and experiments have incriminated infections as a possible causal factor of CVD [Citation21–Citation23], and our results indicate that there may be better methods than cholesterol lowering to prevent atherosclerosis and CVD.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391


Most heart attack patients' cholesterol levels did not indicate cardiac risk

A new national study has shown that nearly 75 percent of patients hospitalized for a heart attack had cholesterol levels that would indicate they were not at high risk for a cardiovascular event, based on current national cholesterol guidelines.
 
Specifically, these patients had low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels that met current guidelines, and close to half had LDL levels classified in guidelines as optimal (less than 100 mg/dL).

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/most-heart-attack-patients-cholesterol-levels-did-not-indicate-cardiac-risk

[MAXX]

LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature

In our analysis of three major reviews [Citation1–Citation3], that claim the cholesterol hypothesis is indisputable and that statin treatment is an effective and safe way to lower the risk of CVD, we have found that their statements are invalid, compromised by misleading statistics, excluding unsuccessful trials, minimizing the side effects of cholesterol lowering, and ignoring contradictory observations from independent investigators.

The usual argument in support of the lipid hypothesis is that numerous studies of young and middle-aged people have shown that high TC or LDL-C predict future CVD. This is correct, but association is not the same as causation. Few authors have adjusted for other CVD-promoting factors such as mental stress, coagulation factors, inflammation, infections, and endothelial sensitivity, all of which are closely related to LDL receptor abnormalities [Citation105]. For instance, mental stress can raise TC [Citation17,Citation18] possibly because cholesterol is necessary for the production of cortisol and other steroid stress hormones, and mental stress may cause CVD by an increased production of epinephrine and norepinephrine, which contribute to hypertension and hypercoagulation. The reason why high TC is a risk factor only for young and middle-aged people may be that mental stress is more common among working people than among retired senior citizens.

It is important to emphasize that LDL participates in the immune system by adhering to and inactivating all kinds of microorganisms and their toxic products and that many observations and experiments have incriminated infections as a possible causal factor of CVD [Citation21–Citation23], and our results indicate that there may be better methods than cholesterol lowering to prevent atherosclerosis and CVD.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391


Most heart attack patients' cholesterol levels did not indicate cardiac risk

A new national study has shown that nearly 75 percent of patients hospitalized for a heart attack had cholesterol levels that would indicate they were not at high risk for a cardiovascular event, based on current national cholesterol guidelines.
 
Specifically, these patients had low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol levels that met current guidelines, and close to half had LDL levels classified in guidelines as optimal (less than 100 mg/dL).

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/most-heart-attack-patients-cholesterol-levels-did-not-indicate-cardiac-risk

cope maxing

that is one study out of 1000's that are made on that. 99% of all studys shows that strong correlation

[Humble Narcissist]

Once saw a panel of 7 Eye surgeons talking about revolutionary Laser eye surgery when it was just becoming popular

They all were gushing about how great it was......6 of them had glasses on...

That surgery was brutal back in the 90's. I had mine done in 2000 and was blind during the day for a month but had perfect nocturnal vision. I had to use eye drops for a month until the white blood cells all cleared from my eyes.

[Van_Bilderass]

probably eat like shit

start eating fish, veggies and fruits only and you will be good.

no saturated fatty products like dairy, cheese, chocolate and processed foods.

Not saying you are right or wrong, but one person's shit is another's wonder food
Won't come into agreement on what a great diet is even on getbig. Natural foods like animal fats, real butter and lard are wonderful, seed oils the devil. Fruits bad because of the sugar and so on.

I haven't "researched" cholesterol and diet that much but some say go on carnivore to fix cholesterol while many others say going carnivore or keto "predictably" was horrible on their cholesterol. Good for weight loss, bad on lipids. "Vigorous Steve" even said this LOL.

My mom was put on meds recently but she dropped it just a few days in, got some type of blisters on her inner lip. Doc had told her to not eat cheese or eggs. I'm pretty sure the egg myth was busted a long time ago, which she told me herself, besides she eats max one egg at a time when she eats them

[Flexacon]

I know an old guy who has been prescribed cholesterol meds for over 20 years, but he never takes them. I asked why he keeps refilling his prescription and he said he tried a couple a different meds for it and didn't like the sides, but the doc wouldn't stop about him switching to something different, so he just pretends the current one was fine.

He actually has something like 10 different medications prescribed to him which he doesn't actually take just to keep his doctor quiet.

[joswift]

I know an old guy who has been prescribed cholesterol meds for over 20 years, but he never takes them. I asked why he keeps refilling his prescription and he said he tried a couple a different meds for it and didn't like the sides, but the doc wouldn't stop about him switching to something different, so he just pretends the current one was fine.

He actually has something like 10 different medications prescribed to him which he doesn't actually take just to keep his doctor quiet.

maybe just stop going to the doctors.

[loco]

cope maxing

that is one study out of 1000's that are made on that. 99% of all studys shows that strong correlation

No, they don't, but feel free to link the 1000 studies highlining exactly where they show "strong correlation."  If what you claim were true, the cholesterol hypothesis wouldn't still be a hypothesis and 50%-75% of heart attacks wouldn't occur in people with "normal" or low LDL cholesterol levels.

[Flexacon]

maybe just stop going to the doctors.

He wouldn't get the other therapies from the doc which do actually help him without going through the rest of the crap first

[IroNat]

He wouldn't get the other therapies from the doc which do actually help him without going through the rest of the crap first

Truth.

[MAXX]

Not saying you are right or wrong, but one person's shit is another's wonder food
Won't come into agreement on what a great diet is even on getbig. Natural foods like animal fats, real butter and lard are wonderful, seed oils the devil. Fruits bad because of the sugar and so on.

I haven't "researched" cholesterol and diet that much but some say go on carnivore to fix cholesterol while many others say going carnivore or keto "predictably" was horrible on their cholesterol. Good for weight loss, bad on lipids. "Vigorous Steve" even said this LOL.

My mom was put on meds recently but she dropped it just a few days in, got some type of blisters on her inner lip. Doc had told her to not eat cheese or eggs. I'm pretty sure the egg myth was busted a long time ago, which she told me herself, besides she eats max one egg at a time when she eats them

Every diet you mention there are fad diets without scientific data. I go by what research and medical field says and not some pseudo science social media influencers eating only meat, bananas or what not. Same thing with the seed oil myth that it's inflammatory or what not. social media bs...

food for thought by Haircafe/Kevin

[joswift]

He wouldn't get the other therapies from the doc which do actually help him without going through the rest of the crap first

so hes ill then?

Maybe if he took his meds he would be fine?

Fucks sake, he doesnt take his meds because they make him ill yet hes still ill enough to go to the doctors..

Your mates fucked.

[MAXX]

my eating revolves around oatmeal, blueberries (mmmm), pea protein powder, lean meat, brown rice, mixed vegetables. tons of water, its so boring and I love it. My vice is diet coke, and a lot of it, Id choose death before quitting diet coke.
But hey, keep believing you know what I eat

I would replace much of the meat with fish. Have alot of salmon, mackerel, sardines in three for the good fatty acids.

And lean meat is better than not ofc., but if it's your main protein source I'd question if you really know how lean and if you know how much fat you get from that. Because it's saturated fats, which obviously is bad for your blood lipids.

[robcguns]

I take 20mgs of Atorvastatin eod and have no muscle pain and it lowed my total cholesterol and bad cholesterol big time. Not sure if that means anything with all the shit I read but no matter my diet and cardio my cholesterol never went down.

[walkerblocker]

I would replace much of the meat with fish. Have alot of salmon, mackerel, sardines in three for the good fatty acids.

And lean meat is better than not ofc., but if it's your main protein source I'd question if you really know how lean and if you know how much fat you get from that. Because it's saturated fats, which obviously is bad for your blood lipids.

i kind of fucked up and grouped salmon in lean meats, I eat salmon every third day

[pkaz]

On Repatha myself. Every two weeks. No problems.

[youandme]

I take 20mgs of Atorvastatin eod and have no muscle pain and it lowed my total cholesterol and bad cholesterol big time. Not sure if that means anything with all the shit I read but no matter my diet and cardio my cholesterol never went down.

Same dosage but I take every day. When I first started I noticed a bit of muscle soreness, then it went away. Lowered my LDL by 40%. Don’t know if that’s good for preventing future CVD, etc. but it makes me feel more confident about my health.

[Flexacon]

so hes ill then?

Maybe if he took his meds he would be fine?

Fucks sake, he doesnt take his meds because they make him ill yet hes still ill enough to go to the doctors..

Your mates fucked.

Yeah an 84 yearold man needing to see the doctors is "fucked". Survived 20 years without taking cholesterol, BP and diabetes meds they put him on.

He goes in for regular shots for some joint issues, some vitamins shots and some kinda ablation therapy, stuff he finds improves the quality of his life.

[robcguns]

Same dosage but I take every day. When I first started I noticed a bit of muscle soreness, then it went away. Lowered my LDL by 40%. Don’t know if that’s good for preventing future CVD, etc. but it makes me feel more confident about my health.

I’m supposed to take every day but I did blood work doing it every day and 6 months later doing eod and the results were almost identical so I fugured take it less for similar results just in case the statins are that bad for you. I don’t know what to believe anymore.

[POB]

anyone else take cholesterol meds?
I got stuck on one called fenofibrate. Was fine, fine then fuk sakes muscle pain. At first i thought it was from the gym but it was my hands and everywhere, abnormal over the top muscle pain. Threw those fuckers in the garbage hope the pain clears up within a week. Easily adjust my eating to suit, I eat pretty well anyways. At 60 Id rather be pain free and if i stroke out or have a heart attack, well, I lasted longer than anyone expected

Your prob better off on micro dose reta it fixing a ton of stuff on blood work including cholesterol. I’m talkin .5 to 1 a week

[joswift]

Yeah an 84 yearold man needing to see the doctors is "fucked". Survived 20 years without taking cholesterol, BP and diabetes meds they put him on.

He goes in for regular shots for some joint issues, some vitamins shots and some kinda ablation therapy, stuff he finds improves the quality of his life.

is it ablation therapy or not?

Try and stop using "kind of" and "Kinda" they make no contribution to a sentence

[Flexacon]

is it ablation therapy or not?

Try and stop using "kind of" and "Kinda" they make no contribution to a sentence

Next time, at least make an effort to understand a topic before commenting, so you don't come come across like a bigger idiot than normal. It's obvious you've got no clue what about ablation therapies are as you seem to be assuming there is just one type. There are multiple types and each involves completely different methods.

Also maybe you should consider visiting your doctor and get checked for dementia. I said "some kinda" not just "kinda". They mean 2 completely different things.

-  "Kinda" is a reduction of "kind of" (meaning somewhat, slightly, or sort of).
-  "Some kinda" is a reduction of "some kind of" (meaning a type of, or to describe something non-specifically)

[IroNat]

So many Getbiggers on statins.

So many people in general on statins.

https://anhinternational.org/news/big-pharma-squeezes-every-last-dollar-out-of-statin-drugs/

Big Pharma squeezes every last dollar out of statin drugs

As journalist and healthcare commentator Bill Sardi indicated:

"It is said statin drugs lower the risk for a heart attack by 30% (relative number), but in hard numbers the risk reduction is almost imaginary, with only 1 in 70 high-risk individuals, and in maybe 1 in 300 healthy individuals, averting a non-mortal heart attack, and these imaginary benefits are weighed against the real risk for liver damage, memory loss, muscle damage and other side effects.  Ask yourself how the FDA could possibly approve such a class of ineffective drugs.”

[loco]

So many Getbiggers on statins.

So many people in general on statins.

https://anhinternational.org/news/big-pharma-squeezes-every-last-dollar-out-of-statin-drugs/

Big Pharma squeezes every last dollar out of statin drugs

As journalist and healthcare commentator Bill Sardi indicated:

"It is said statin drugs lower the risk for a heart attack by 30% (relative number), but in hard numbers the risk reduction is almost imaginary, with only 1 in 70 high-risk individuals, and in maybe 1 in 300 healthy individuals, averting a non-mortal heart attack, and these imaginary benefits are weighed against the real risk for liver damage, memory loss, muscle damage and other side effects.  Ask yourself how the FDA could possibly approve such a class of ineffective drugs.”

IroNat ain't lying.

[SweetDaddySiki]

Pretty vast conspiracy...