best fighter of all time!!!!

[Fury]

hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser. This would be pretty funny if Earl hadn't been watching UFC for less than 3 months.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser.

How dare you take my name in vein.  You would think you've been ass jockeying here long enough to spell your own boyfriends name right (Scimowser).  Why don't you check your tone douche nozzle, before I verbally thrash you.

[Fury]

How dare you take my name in vein.  You would think you've been ass jockeying here long enough to spell your own boyfriends name right (Scimowser).  Why don't you check your tone douche nozzle, before I verbally thrash you.

If you would pull your mouth from Wanderlei's dick long enough to type out a decent response, you might actually insult me.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

If you would pull your mouth from Wanderlei's dick long enough to type out a decent response, you might actually insult me.

It's more like your intelligence level is so low you cannot be insulted, due to the fact that your too dumb to recognize one.  Maybe if you can pry your face out of Scimowser's crotch long enough you might learn something kid.

[Fury]

It's more like your intelligence level is so low you cannot be insulted, due to the fact that your too dumb to recognize one.  Maybe if you can pry your face out of Scimowser's crotch long enough you might learn something kid.

hahahah, monster irony. What a fucking tool.

[*ChuteBoxe*]

hahahah, monster irony. What a fucking tool.

You should be thankful for every breath you take, if it weren't for me shooting one off in your mom you wouldn't exist.  I could have been a jerk and pulled out and shot you all over your mom's shit covered mattress. 

[BEAST 8692]

ok.

the subject, tyson, continues to garner heated debate from both sides of the fence.

whatever opinion of tyson's character, he was without doubt an amazing fighter.

to compare the striking ability of any fighter in the various mma camps against a prime tyson is beyond ludicrous.

prime tyson earns his reputation as one of the greatest ever (opinions held, btw, by some of the greatest boxing experts ever including cus d'amato who was probably a more qualified judge than anyone).

he disposed of mediocre fighters brutally and also dominated some very good fighters along the way eg. berbick, tucker, smith, tubbs, holmes, spinks, thomas, etc.

it's very easy to say these fighters weren't great when you look at what tyson did to them (fighters are often judged by their worst performance, particularly if it happened to suck), but educate yourself on what these fighters had done prior/after (hint: they were all title holders).

so how would tyson go in the current mma?

he would get owned in an ugly way by any top flight hw. he has not got enough movement or power to keep them off him and he hasn't got the youth or motivation to get it back.

once they tie him up...he's dead.

look at don frye arm punching himself out (almost) on that jap.

zero technique, head movement, accuracy, nothing! he had a fucking sack of meat in front of him for christ's sake! what would PRIME tyson do in that situation??? hmmmmm.

anyone see prime tyson being tied up by some slow as molasses ufc hw? tyson wouldn't simply move laterally and explode a left hook on that ass???

KABOOM! out, nuff said...

[Scimowser]

at the time i followed different martial arts in regards to their relevant competitions, mainly Ju-Jitsu, Shotokan and Muay Thai. A few days after UFC1 my mate told me about it and that was it for me, it was something i never thought i would see happen.

As i said, to me it was like the Kumite tournament you see in Bloodsport, and i got just about every UFC after that one. Now being "loyal" to UFC i thought it was the b all and end all of MMA. I never bothered looking at Pride because i dismissed it as a cheap japanese rip offwithout giving it a chance. It wasnt until guys like Igor, Coleman and Kerr fought there that i took a little interest.

In reflection it was very naive to dismiss it, as it is clear that Pride has more money, better fighters and the best rules for MMA fighting. Putting the current crop of UFC guys against Prides stars would be like asking your 12 year old kid to fighta full grown man

[Earl1972]

hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser. This would be pretty funny if Earl hadn't been watching UFC for less than 3 months.

I didn't know being knowledgeable made you a "twunt"

how much does DJ Scribble charge you?

E

[rccs]

It's about the best fighter, and that means you need more than boxing skills alone. I agree, Tyson was a beast in his prime, and not easy to beat in a street fight. But, a skilled fighter, trained in (Brazilian) Jiu Jitsu, or Krav Maga etcetera, must be able to beat him.

I bet the absolute best fighter at this very moment is somebody, unknown to the crowd, no.

Fedor eats brazilian jiu jitsu for breakfast!

[rccs]

daammnnnnn this fool is a savage. hes like a fuckin mad bull and shit.

Tyson was a tremendous boxer! However Fedor is a complete figther. Some people here are talking about street figthing, well my opinion is that ferdor on the the street is unbeatable, the guy is pure controled rage, intelligent and super fit, Tysos however could never control himself, I bet that Tyson wouldn't have the time to throw a punch agains Fedor in a streetfight! MMA is the most complete fighting sport, how many boxers did well in MMA competitions?

[Scimowser]

Ive said this a few times before, in terms of potential, you dont have to look further than Mark Kerr. As close to perfection as any fighter can be, had he stayed clean and trained with 100% focus even Fedor wouldnt have beaten him. Before the rules were changed to ban knees, elbows etc he was untouchable. He had the perfect blend of wrestling, striking, size, strength and desire and it made him the best in the world, in many ways he IS the Mike Tyson of MMA. His early fights prove it, look how he man handled the Polar Bear Paul Varleans in his debut. The guy was 300-400lbs and mark literally picks him up and runs him across the ring with ease!

[BEAST 8692]

i can't think of a single boxer of the calibre of a PRIME tyson that has competed in mma events.

quite simply, the money doesn't even compare with potential boxing earnings for such talent.

has-beens and never weres go to the mma.

no fighter ever competes on the professional stage for LESS money. anyone that has fought professionally or even been involved in the industry understands this.

having said that, fedor is definitely a more complete fighter than prime tyson, but does he get a hold of tyson before a PRIME tyson detonates some of the quickest, most devastatingly accurate bombs you've ever seen in ANY mma contest!

think about how many mma hw contests have ended with strikes by fighters NO WHERE NEAR the calibre of prime tyson.

i can definitely see it ending quickly for tyson if fedor gets in on him, but i can also see fedor getting caught on the way in.

please understand, i am not talking about a post 80's tyson that just walks in and bombs, i'm talking about a relentless machine with tremendous lateral movement, speed of foot and hand and accuracy absolutely NEVER seen on an mma stage. not even close!

add those 6oz gloves! sheeet

[Scimowser]

the only guy with comparable striking was prime Vitor Belfort and even he fell short of Tyson in regards to skill, power and accuracy. Although Vitor had the skills to fight from his back or in a clinch as back up. But i agree completely what you say about someone being able to get hold of Tyson to get him on the ground.

The best counter to a shoot i have ever seen was when Igor knocked Nick Nutter out cold within seconds in the final of the World Vale Tudo Championship. He had fought to a controversial win in their first match which Nutter should have won but the ref made them stand when he was dominating Igor on the ground. He waited for the shoot and kneed him right on the button and that was it, game over! I dont think Nutter fought again after that fight, which is a shame because i was a big fan of his. He was amongst the first of the big wrestlers to come in and start dominating people

[BEAST 8692]

yes, vitor quick, very good technique (hands) but, as you say, fell short - i would add 'wayyyyyyyyyyyy' before the 'short'.

if vitor had one tenth of the potential of tyson i can guarantee you he wouldn't have been competing in the ufc.

professional fighters with real talent compete in boxing, it's that simple. it's ALL about the money. any pro fighter not talking straight from their rectum will tell you the same.

has-been boxers competing in mma are purely after a few extra bucks for crack because they're shot and can't command decent pay days in boxing. they aren't even motivated enough to add new skills (grapple, sprawl, etc) or even turn up in shape.

i agree with you though, anyone that competes in today's mma without grappling skills is asking for punishment.

[Scimowser]

look back at the first few UFC PPV's. There was very little mixed martial arts, it was basically Karate Vs Judo, Thai Boxing Vs Ninjitsu etc. One dimensional fighting which is heavily outdated. Without the Gracies there would be no UFC, no Pride, no IFL or any other form of true MMA. They combined their own style of Ju-Jitsu and incorporated striking where necessary. Every punch and kick serves a purpose. However as the times have evolved so have the required skills to succeed. I cant think of many fighters who have succeeded in the last 5-6 years that dont combine striking with grappling, if someone was naive enough to think they could go in and win because they can punch or throw they would be seriously hurt.

Mighty Mo is a great example. He can punch harder than just about anyone ive seen in MMA but if he stepped out of K-1 he would get smashed to bits. His pro boxing career didnt exactly go to plan did it! ha ha

[BEAST 8692]

agreed, but especially in the first few ufc ppvs there was very little money for the fighter compared to boxing. even todays pride, ufc, etc pale by comparison.

considering that there was not one single boxer of prime/decent ability i am not surprised at the failure rate.

IF the gracies could have somehow used their abilities to succeed to a world title in boxing, believe me, they would have. they were always in it for the money and still are, just like any other pro fighter. if it was all about the 'art' they would have stayed in brazil.

you won't get any debate whatsoever from me on the need for multiple dimensions in todays mma.

mighty mo. yes, case in point, just look at his pro boxing career.

if the mma events ever exceed the potential earnings of boxing, look out, you will have the most dominant fighters genetically and skillfully ever! no question.

i doubt it though.

 

[Scimowser]

I dont think MMA will ever get to the stage where the best fighters are making 10million a fight, i doubt we will get to the stage where they are getting 2 million. The only way that will happen is if Pride expands outside of Japan and makes even more cash from the masses. They have the best paid fighters for a reason, and with the current state of boxing you couldnt ask for a better time to get new fans interested.

[americanbulldog]

With the current PPV buys, MMA fighters could be making just as much if not more than their boxing counterparts.  The best type of fighter, if you could build one, is to be a master in a particular range, and good at everything else.  Fighters like BJ Penn (ground), decent hands, exceptional balance, good takedown defense, good chin come to mind.  Frank Shamrock pioneered cross training, was great at subs, and added in the half guard revolution he learned from TK, and the kickboxing from Maurice Smith.  Not to mention the athletic training that made him a stud.  (Tito learned from this after his first match)  Kerr was filling the holes in his game, but had not progressed.  He became conplacent, and didn't put together good camps (which is all the rage). 

We will see better athletes getting involved, and this will lead to the next generation of fighters.  Raw ability or skill doesn't necesarilly equate to victory.  But irregardless, you better have a decent ground game, be able to fend off the takedown from the clinch, and be able to cover. 

Tyson in his prime would have been meat for the best MMA fighters.  Anyone fool enough to stay at range with a young, primal, and angry Tyson would get broken ribs, then when their hands came down, they would eat an overhand, or a hook.  Tyson would have been easily taken down, mounted, and pummeled until he gave up his back or got armbarred. 

[Captain Equipoise]

I think Tyson would have dominated in the  early days of UFC... before the cross trained fighters started taking over, those first few years (the early 90's) was mostly specialists (kararte, judo,  jiu jitsu, muay thai, etc.) I think Tyson would have killed them all, even guys like Gracie... one shot to the head, with Tyson's power would have put Gracie in the hospital. Aside from that, Tyson was explosive... he was like a fucking stick of dynamite, so even if he was taken down and mounted, how long would he be in that position?.. 

[BEAST 8692]

getting in on prime tyson would have been very difficult and dangerous.

don't forget his lateral movement and left hooks, and of course the precise barrage that comes after it. most mma hws wouldn't even know where he was before they'd been chin checked 6 times.

middle distance was what suited tyson best and he would create this distance with very quick lateral movement.

you are going to have huge problems shooting in on prime tyson because he's not going to be dead meat standing in front of you.

[bmacsys]

i base it on the reasons i previously said. There isnt a HW in history that would beat him in his prime

Buster Douglas did. Tyson was only 23 at the time. Kevin Rooney wasn't in his corner for this fight. Tyson's yes men buddies were.

[Deadpool]

rocky marciano

[*ChuteBoxe*]

Tyson fought Tua?

I wish, that would have been "Gatti vs Ward" of the heavyweight division, except it would have ended in like 2 rounds.

[SinCitysmallGUY]

rocky marciano

Give me a fucking break, fighters back then were fighting sailors and box car boys and bar drunks for christ sakes those days were just knuckle fights for christ sakes the reason rocky was so great is because he actually trained... i believe this is one of boxing's worst era's great punching drunk out brawl between men, but not alot of talent.... but i give more credit to rocky then i do that f*cking brit Lennox Lewis.. what a piece of shit that guy was