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« Reply #2975 on: April 10, 2020, 10:18:05 PM »
I swear they are going to keep extending this thing until people riot

I say we march. Im very serious. Its time to start getting organized.

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« Reply #2976 on: April 11, 2020, 12:23:54 AM »

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« Reply #2977 on: April 11, 2020, 12:46:16 AM »
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

The link above is U.K. government site & makes for interesting and eye opening statistical reading.
The US I would think has a similar government department & site.

Very much worth checking it out.

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« Reply #2978 on: April 11, 2020, 01:13:13 AM »
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

The link above is U.K. government site & makes for interesting and eye opening statistical reading.
The US I would think has a similar government department & site.

Very much worth checking it out.


What's so eye opening about it?

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« Reply #2979 on: April 11, 2020, 02:56:40 AM »
March 16th – The Ferguson Report Is Released
On March 16th a professor from the Imperial College in London called Neil Ferguson used a mathematical computer model he created in 2009 to estimate the infection rate and death toll of the coronavirus.
he predicted 250,000 to 500,000 deaths in the UK alone
March 23rd UK goes on lockdown
March 25th – Ferguson Retracts His Prediction
On Wednesday 25th only 9 days after scaring the world into an unprecedented lock down Ferguson drags himself off out of “self isolation” to speak to a parliamentary committee and reveals that he has now readjusted his model and “now feels confident that the death toll in the UK will be below 20,000!”
So the guy who caused the world to shut down only 9 days before with doomsday figures predicting millions of deaths and saying we need to self isolate and practise social distancing for up to 18 months has now told parliament that he was wrong and the figure he now predicts is below 20,000.
What is astonishing is why this was not being reported on every mainstream media outlet as the biggest governmental cock up in history at this point. Yet we hear virtually nothing and the media continue to spread fear on a scale never seen.
Why Is His Retraction Not The Biggest News In The World?

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« Reply #2980 on: April 11, 2020, 03:40:48 AM »
March 16th – The Ferguson Report Is Released
On March 16th a professor from the Imperial College in London called Neil Ferguson used a mathematical computer model he created in 2009 to estimate the infection rate and death toll of the coronavirus.
he predicted 250,000 to 500,000 deaths in the UK alone
March 23rd UK goes on lockdown
March 25th – Ferguson Retracts His Prediction
On Wednesday 25th only 9 days after scaring the world into an unprecedented lock down Ferguson drags himself off out of “self isolation” to speak to a parliamentary committee and reveals that he has now readjusted his model and “now feels confident that the death toll in the UK will be below 20,000!”
So the guy who caused the world to shut down only 9 days before with doomsday figures predicting millions of deaths and saying we need to self isolate and practise social distancing for up to 18 months has now told parliament that he was wrong and the figure he now predicts is below 20,000.
What is astonishing is why this was not being reported on every mainstream media outlet as the biggest governmental cock up in history at this point. Yet we hear virtually nothing and the media continue to spread fear on a scale never seen.
Why Is His Retraction Not The Biggest News In The World?
Gotta keep the hysteria going.  Do you know how much the media loves all the attention they have been getting the last 2 months?

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« Reply #2981 on: April 11, 2020, 04:16:07 AM »
he predicted 250,000 to 500,000 deaths in the UK alone
March 23rd UK goes on lockdown
March 25th – Ferguson Retracts His Prediction “now feels confident that the death toll in the UK will be below 20,000!”

Why Is His Retraction Not The Biggest News In The World?

The issue is the media cherry picked one scenario, the worst case scenario (because it sells the most ads) and pushed it out there.

The reality is these guys would have several models across a number of scenarios during the initial planning phase and it would be normal to downgrade estimates from a worst case to better case as restrictions increased and positive data was reported. It is normal and expected.  The guy actually clarified it on twitter after he copped a social media beating.

The media have a LOT to answer for. Most shit out there seems to be cut and paste now. Nobody fact checks.

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« Reply #2982 on: April 11, 2020, 04:33:34 AM »
The gov in nj again stated stay home it’s not even close to being over ,we are in a surge week ,masks are mandatory in stores that are open.then you hear a plan of economic reopening soon.ha.luckily I am working and not laid off.

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« Reply #2983 on: April 11, 2020, 05:19:13 AM »
Okay, there is some serious fuckery going on with the numbers that are being recorded.  Below is a link to the recorded CDC data, for Covid, Influenza, Pneumonia, etc.  A couple of things stand out.  1.  Pneumonia deaths are much greater, week to week.  2.  Covid deaths vs pneumonia deaths, being recorded, stated to state.  NY and NJ have high Covid deaths, and low pneumonia deaths, when compared to CA or TX, which of the exact opposite.  CA and TX have high pneumonia death and low Covid.  The CDC has actually explained this, and admitted that many pneumonia deaths are being documented as Covid, because they can't be for sure what the cause of death was.  The numbers arent adding up.

https://data.cdc.gov/api/views/hc4f-j6nb/rows.csv?accessType=DOWNLOAD&bom=true&format=true

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« Reply #2984 on: April 11, 2020, 06:04:30 AM »
The gov in nj again stated stay home it’s not even close to being over ,we are in a surge week ,masks are mandatory in stores that are open.then you hear a plan of economic reopening soon.ha.luckily I am working and not laid off.

Gov. Murphy is an idiot.

He marches lockstep with whatever California does.  Doesn't have an original thought in his head.

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« Reply #2985 on: April 11, 2020, 07:15:02 AM »
Gov. Murphy is an idiot.

He marches lockstep with whatever California does.  Doesn't have an original thought in his head.

Well... CA just announced its looking like "Mid-Summer" before they remove the lockdown completely



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« Reply #2986 on: April 11, 2020, 07:17:40 AM »
"Papers please".... "where are your papers?"


https://www.yahoo.com/news/antibody-test-allow-us-back-191110496.html



When and were do we start revolting?

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« Reply #2987 on: April 11, 2020, 07:25:59 AM »

So many potential Nobel prize winners on this site , wow !.

I met a Nobel Prize winner - William Shockley. He was a fucking jerk. If you think that it requires some politically motivated prize to guarantee competence, you are sadly mistaken.

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« Reply #2988 on: April 11, 2020, 08:09:13 AM »
Funny thing is that 99% of all modeling created to fight an epidemic are computer models. Heck, the majority of those computer models were at the request of entities other than the WHO. The WHO is shit. Pure and utter shit. Just another organization created for who knows what where useless politician has-beens go to essentially die while living a very lavish lifestyle.

If anything COVID demonstrated is the lack of coordination between the state and federal governments. I'm sorry if you're a democrat but... if you listen to Cuomo's press conferences and the thought of hitting the pierced-nippled fucker in the back of the head with a baseball bat doesn't come to mind...

I'm still amazed that we were so behind with this epidemic. Knowing how fucked up virulent outbreaks could potentially become you'd think the Department of Health could be looking for ways to effectively isolate and quarantine a population.

Here's a thought... use a hotel packed with people. Give 5% of the hosts red t-shirts with VIRUS on the front. Within 5 minutes of the "viruses" walking around touching people, tell the hotel manager that he and his hotel are the subjects of an exercise. See how he/she reacts. Learn from it. Do something! There's excellent population control protocols out there... schools have it for active school shooters, the different fire departments have them for tall high rises, etc.

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« Reply #2989 on: April 11, 2020, 08:09:59 AM »
Just came out that here in L.A. we have what probably is called "Herd immunity", meaning Corona actually came here from China last year, which is why we had an epidemic flu season last year with 3000 deaths and 55,000 hospitalizations, 2 to 3 times the average number of flu deaths. Latest research shows it worked it's way through some of the population that now has immunity, and this is why California doesn't seem to be hit as hard as NY or other metropolitan centers that size. It's a flu.

 Bro where did you read this?

If it came here from China last year what is the reason these people are giving for Wuhan being hit so hard?

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« Reply #2990 on: April 11, 2020, 08:12:21 AM »
This rubbish is simply more of the same faggetry that has permeated the country for the last generation.

-everyone gets a trophy no matter how much or how little you contribute  
-play sports but don't keep score
-everyone's actions, no matter how absurd are to be accepted

Now after this exercise in stupidity is over, all the cowards who stayed home and hide under their bed and literally drove around in their own car wearing a mask and gloves will be able to take credit for "saving humanity."

The scared and the weak get another trophy for doing jack and shit.

Cowards.
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« Reply #2991 on: April 11, 2020, 08:32:36 AM »
Well... CA just announced its looking like "Mid-Summer" before they remove the lockdown completely



That’s killing resteraunt and gym buissness altogether then.they are the most visited daily no...that’s almost 3 months closed for such places.

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« Reply #2992 on: April 11, 2020, 09:00:47 AM »
March 16th – The Ferguson Report Is Released
On March 16th a professor from the Imperial College in London called Neil Ferguson used a mathematical computer model he created in 2009 to estimate the infection rate and death toll of the coronavirus.
he predicted 250,000 to 500,000 deaths in the UK alone
March 23rd UK goes on lockdown
March 25th – Ferguson Retracts His Prediction
On Wednesday 25th only 9 days after scaring the world into an unprecedented lock down Ferguson drags himself off out of “self isolation” to speak to a parliamentary committee and reveals that he has now readjusted his model and “now feels confident that the death toll in the UK will be below 20,000!”
So the guy who caused the world to shut down only 9 days before with doomsday figures predicting millions of deaths and saying we need to self isolate and practise social distancing for up to 18 months has now told parliament that he was wrong and the figure he now predicts is below 20,000.
What is astonishing is why this was not being reported on every mainstream media outlet as the biggest governmental cock up in history at this point. Yet we hear virtually nothing and the media continue to spread fear on a scale never seen.
Why Is His Retraction Not The Biggest News In The World?
  Thus far none of the models have been anywhere near accurate

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« Reply #2993 on: April 11, 2020, 11:04:12 AM »
 :P


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« Reply #2994 on: April 11, 2020, 11:08:53 AM »
:P



The libs will cherish the new found control over them and be the 1st ones to report their neighbor for non-compliance




1984 here we come!

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« Reply #2995 on: April 11, 2020, 11:12:56 AM »
This rubbish is simply more of the same faggetry that has permeated the country for the last generation.

-everyone gets a trophy no matter how much or how little you contribute  
-play sports but don't keep score
-everyone's actions, no matter how absurd are to be accepted

Now after this exercise in stupidity is over, all the cowards who stayed home and hide under their bed and literally drove around in their own car wearing a mask and gloves will be able to take credit for "saving humanity."

The scared and the weak get another trophy for doing jack and shit.
Towards.

It's "faggotry" and "jackshit".


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« Reply #2996 on: April 11, 2020, 11:20:53 AM »
So whats new? Still just a flu or have you guys moved on?


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« Reply #2997 on: April 11, 2020, 12:15:40 PM »
This rubbish is simply more of the same faggetry that has permeated the country for the last generation.

-everyone gets a trophy no matter how much or how little you contribute  
-play sports but don't keep score
-everyone's actions, no matter how absurd are to be accepted

Now after this exercise in stupidity is over, all the cowards who stayed home and hide under their bed and literally drove around in their own car wearing a mask and gloves will be able to take credit for "saving humanity."

The scared and the weak get another trophy for doing jack and shit.

Cowards.


Spot on TommyW - And WTF is up with those Retards Driving alone in their car & wearing
A Mask & Gloves are they that Scared & Stupid - Clearly so- Poor ole Snowflakes.

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« Reply #2998 on: April 11, 2020, 12:32:12 PM »
What about this scenario - the gov't declares that if you are not wearing a mask, you are considered a threat to the public health.  Civilians can kill other civilians if they are a "threat".  Would make a good movie (I hope is all).

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« Reply #2999 on: April 11, 2020, 01:06:19 PM »
Philly Police Drag Man From Bus for Not Wearing a Face Mask


The below video, shared on social media on Friday, shows multiple police officers in Philadelphia forcibly removing a man from a public bus for enforcing what was — apparently as a result of this incident — an exceptionally short-lived mandate requiring riders to wear face masks:



Under a new coronavirus-prompted policy, which went into effect Thursday under the name “Lifeline Service Schedule,” the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority announced service cuts and said it was “now asking all riders to wear masks or other facial coverings, consistent with new CDC guidelines, to protect both riders and operators.” This was apparently not a request, however, as riders soon began reporting instances of people not being allowed on public transit vehicles if they weren’t wearing a mask:

In a statement to WHYY on Friday, a SEPTA spokesperson confirmed that masks were indeed a requirement for customers, emphasizing that the agency was looking to avoid arresting anyone for violating the policy, and that “the covering can be as simple as a shirt, bandana or anything else someone can grab at home before they head out.” WHYY also reports that transit police were informed of the mandate on Wednesday in an emailed directive from the SEPTA police chief. It’s not clear if or how well this mandate was actually communicated to riders, however, or how widely it was enforced — or if it was even legal.

After the video of the rider’s violent ejection went viral, SEPTA officials said the policy was being reviewed and police said they were investigating the incident. SEPTA later rescinded the policy.

According to CBSN Philly, SEPTA operators briefly had the right to refuse service to customers who weren’t wearing masks, which is reportedly what happened on Friday:

During Friday’s press conference, Philadelphia Managing Director Brian Abernathy says the bus driver initially asked the man to get off the bus since he wasn’t wearing a mask. The bus driver then pulled over and called police after the man refused to leave.


“Police were not responding to the social distancing complaint, police were responding to the fact the person was asked to leave the bus and refused,” Abernathy said.

But as seen in the video, the passenger was not arrested or fined afterward, and as CBSN notes, “some sort of official boarded the bus telling everyone without a mask, that they had to exit or that police would physically remove them. That one man didn’t get off and that’s why he was physically removed.”

The Philly Transit Riders Union, which called attention to the incident on Friday, released a statement detailing SEPTA’s failures and highlighting a far easier way to have dealt with the situation. “If riding public transit requires a face mask,” the organization said, “then SEPTA must provide masks to transit workers and riders”:

On Thursday, SEPTA “urged” riders to wear face masks, despite masks still being listed as a prohibited item on other parts of SEPTA’s website. At some point later in the day, masks apparently became a “condition for riding transit,” although a rider would only know this if they asked SEPTA directly on Twitter. Bus operators received a conflicting message that transit riders did not have to wear a mask.



Under normal conditions, conflicting messages from SEPTA management might only cost riders their time– missed birthdays, graduations, job interviews, doctor’s appointments. During the COVID-19 pandemic, an interaction with an armed police officer could cost a Philly transit rider their life.

On Tuesday, the agency confirmed that three Philadelphia transit workers had been killed by COVID-19, and as of Friday, at least 100 SEPTA employees had tested positive for the coronavirus. While it hasn’t been hit anywhere near as hard as the MTA has in New York City, SEPTA has still been rocked by the virus and seen ridership plummet. The agency has also been accused of putting “profit over people” by Transport Workers Union Local 234 president Willie Brown, who has said SEPTA was too slow to enact policies to protect its workforce.

The now widely seen incident in Philadelphia obviously comes at a particularly tense time throughout the country, as authorities and the public navigate brand new legal and social norms amid efforts to confront and contain the coronavirus. The risk of contagion is one problem; the risk of violence and intolerance caused by fear or misunderstanding of contagion is another. And while wearing face masks in public may be what the CDC finally came around to recommending, that doesn’t mean everyone is going to find and wear one, or is going to feel safer if they do:

“This (wearing a homemade mask) seems like a reasonable response unless you just sort of take American society out of it. When you can’t do that, you’re basically telling people to look dangerous given racial stereotypes that are out there,” Trevon Logan, an economics professor at Ohio State University, recently explained to CNN. “This is in the larger context of black men fitting the description of a suspect who has a hood on, who has a face covering on. It looks like almost every criminal sketch of any garden-variety black suspect.”

Thanks to the coronavirus pandemic, public mask-wearing is undoubtedly going to become far more widespread in America, even if or when the threat of COVID-19 has passed. In the meantime, state, local, and federal authorities still seem to be designing their public-health policies on the fly, leaving lots of room for screwups, confusion, and overreach or abuse. Friday’s incident in Philadelphia is unlikely to be the last of its kind.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/philly-police-drag-man-from-bus-for-not-wearing-a-face-mask.html