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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #125 on: May 17, 2011, 01:25:04 PM »
Stephen Hawking has done far more for humanity than your lousy religion has.

Stephen Hawking has done far more for humanity than Christianity has, really?



"We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings"

Roy Hattersley
Monday September 12, 2005


Guardian

Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.

The disaster will return to the headlines when one sort of newspaper reports a particularly gruesome discovery or another finds additional evidence of President Bush's negligence. But month after month of unremitting suffering is not news. Nor is the monotonous performance of the unpleasant tasks that relieve the pain and anguish of the old, the sick and the homeless - the tasks in which the Salvation Army specialise.

The Salvation Army has been given a special status as provider-in-chief of American disaster relief. But its work is being augmented by all sorts of other groups. Almost all of them have a religious origin and character.

Notable by their absence are teams from rationalist societies, free thinkers' clubs and atheists' associations - the sort of people who not only scoff at religion's intellectual absurdity but also regard it as a positive force for evil.

The arguments against religion are well known and persuasive. Faith schools, as they are now called, have left sectarian scars on Northern Ireland. Stem-cell research is forbidden because an imaginary God - who is not enough of a philosopher to realise that the ingenuity of a scientist is just as natural as the instinct of Rousseau's noble savage - condemns what he does not understand and the churches that follow his teaching forbid their members to pursue cures for lethal diseases.

Yet men and women who believe that the Pope is the devil incarnate, or (conversely) regard his ex cathedra pronouncements as holy writ, are the people most likely to take the risks and make the sacrifices involved in helping others. Last week a middle-ranking officer of the Salvation Army, who gave up a well-paid job to devote his life to the poor, attempted to convince me that homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Late at night, on the streets of one of our great cities, that man offers friendship as well as help to the most degraded and (to those of a censorious turn of mind) degenerate human beings who exist just outside the boundaries of our society. And he does what he believes to be his Christian duty without the slightest suggestion of disapproval. Yet, for much of his time, he is meeting needs that result from conduct he regards as intrinsically wicked.

Civilised people do not believe that drug addiction and male prostitution offend against divine ordinance. But those who do are the men and women most willing to change the fetid bandages, replace the sodden sleeping bags and - probably most difficult of all - argue, without a trace of impatience, that the time has come for some serious medical treatment. Good works, John Wesley insisted, are no guarantee of a place in heaven. But they are most likely to be performed by people who believe that heaven exists.

The correlation is so clear that it is impossible to doubt that faith and charity go hand in hand. The close relationship may have something to do with the belief that we are all God's children, or it may be the result of a primitive conviction that, although helping others is no guarantee of salvation, it is prudent to be recorded in a book of gold, like James Leigh Hunt's Abu Ben Adam, as "one who loves his fellow men". Whatever the reason, believers answer the call, and not just the Salvation Army. When I was a local councillor, the Little Sisters of the Poor - right at the other end of the theological spectrum - did the weekly washing for women in back-to-back houses who were too ill to scrub for themselves.

It ought to be possible to live a Christian life without being a Christian or, better still, to take Christianity à la carte. The Bible is so full of contradictions that we can accept or reject its moral advice according to taste. Yet men and women who, like me, cannot accept the mysteries and the miracles do not go out with the Salvation Army at night.

The only possible conclusion is that faith comes with a packet of moral imperatives that, while they do not condition the attitude of all believers, influence enough of them to make them morally superior to atheists like me. The truth may make us free. But it has not made us as admirable as the average captain in the Salvation Army.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #126 on: May 17, 2011, 01:28:14 PM »
I don`t care one iota what someone thinks or believes, however why should their nonsensical belief system be free from insult or free from ridicule?  



So you do care or you don't?



Adonis, do you agree w/Hawking that quantum fluctuations are the "seeds" that started it all?  
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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #127 on: May 17, 2011, 01:29:41 PM »



Adonis, do you agree w/Hawking that quantum fluctuations are the "seeds" that started it all?  


And if so, please "PROVE" this theory.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #128 on: May 17, 2011, 01:30:52 PM »
Everything he proposed about Black Holes was wrong.  Hawking isn't even considered by his peers to be even in the top 10 physicists alive today.  While he's a smart chap, not exactly the first guy I'd turn to when theorizing about anything more complex than making a PB&J.

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« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2011, 01:33:42 PM »
And if so, please "PROVE" this theory.

Yes. 

And please explain where the quantum fluctuations came from.

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« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2011, 01:35:42 PM »
Yes. 

And please explain where the quantum fluctuations came from.



Please tell me where your God came from.
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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2011, 01:35:47 PM »
Stephen Hawking has done far more for humanity than your lousy religion has.

Stephen Hawking has done far more for humanity than Christianity has, really?


Contribution to World Literacy
There are Christian organizations which send missionaries to parts of the world where these missionaries translate the Bible into the locals' language and then teach them how to read it.  They also go into parts of the world where people have a spoken language, but no written language.  These organizations learn the spoken language, create a written language from it, then translate the Bible into this new written language, and finally teach these people their new written language.  Wycliffe Bible Translators is one of these Christian organizations.  



The Printing Press and its contribution to the rapid development in the sciences and art
Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with replaceable/moveable wooden or metal letters in 1436 (completed by 1440). This method of printing can be credited not only for a revolution in the production of books, but also for fostering rapid development in the sciences, arts and religion through the transmission of texts.

Johannes Gutenberg is also accredited with printing the world's first book using movable type, the 42-line (the number of lines per page) Gutenberg Bible.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #132 on: May 17, 2011, 01:38:05 PM »
Please tell me where your God came from.

I believe He is eternal.  He did not have a beginning and will not have an end.


Do you subscribe to the quantum fluctuation theory?
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« Reply #133 on: May 17, 2011, 01:39:30 PM »
I believe He is eternal.  He did not have a beginning and will not have an end.


Do you subscribe to the quantum fluctuation theory?

Couldn't say I do because I don't understand it very well. Do you?

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2011, 01:40:59 PM »
Please tell me where your God came from.

To believe our universe "just happened" takes more faith than us believers!


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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2011, 01:42:22 PM »
I believe He is eternal.  He did not have a beginning and will not have an end.

Who created it? Who or what is beyond/above it?

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2011, 01:43:15 PM »
All I know is that most Christians seem more at peace with themselves as opposed to atheists who just seem flat out miserable.

Because you don't surround yourself with an educated, affluent mix of people.  

I should have figured you were Christian.

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« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2011, 01:43:56 PM »
To believe our universe "just happened" takes more faith than us believers!

But to believe that the Creator of the universe authored a book in a remote part of the world in a barren desert of a planet, one of billions and that this Creator is THE god, coeval with many other deities of the time is in fact the only god...of course, that is likely. ::)
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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2011, 01:44:02 PM »
you cannot have a proper discussion without the falcon
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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2011, 01:45:28 PM »
Funny thing is, he still sounds like a 1989 Texas Instruments "Speak n Spell", you'd think by now he'd champion human like voices...

Imagine him trying to tell a joke...and in that Speak n Spell voice saying "ha....ha...ha."
No wonder he is saying what he is saying, he wants everybody to be as crippled as he is...just because he is a "genius" doesn't give him a pass from being looked at like us mere mortals...in fact, he used to elicit pity, now, it seems that he is pissed off that he cannot run with busty women on a beach, but has to stay on the boardwalk in his motorized wheelchair, with brown pants and docksiders, while watching others do what he has dreamed to do, and his only comfort is "I'm smarter than them", and to that God says, "Ha...Ha...Ha"

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2011, 01:47:44 PM »
But to believe that the Creator of the universe authored a book in a remote part of the world in a barren desert of a planet, one of billions and that this Creator is THE god, coeval with many other deities of the time is in fact the only god...of course, that is likely. ::)

Do you have a better theory or is there a better theory that has a history of proven writings?  I work with physics everyday of my life and can not come close to seeing the logitical ties to science and a "it just happened".

God did not "need" to create the universe; he "chose" to create it.  WHY?  God is love, and love is best expressed toward something or someone else. God created the world in hhis expression of his love.  We should avoid reducing God's creation to merely scientific terms. Can you prove to someone you love them?  

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« Reply #141 on: May 17, 2011, 01:47:55 PM »
Couldn't say I do because I don't understand it very well. Do you?



I've never explored it, so no.  In regard to his theory I want to know where he thinks the quantum fluctuations came from that he said started it all.  


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« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2011, 01:53:11 PM »
Do you have a better theory or is there a better theory that has a history of proven writings?  I work with physics everyday of my life and can not come close to seeing the logitical ties to science and a "it just happened".

God did not "need" to create the universe; he "chose" to create it.  WHY?  God is love, and love is best expressed toward something or someone else.  Can you prove to someone you love them?  

Others aside, my atheism is mostly grounded in history, particularly history of religion. Understanding that, I see no reason why Christianity should be more true than Hinduism or any other religion.

The history of Western monotheism can be studied, analysed and understood, when you understand that, it just seems silly to believe such things as you likely do.
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« Reply #143 on: May 17, 2011, 01:58:30 PM »
Others aside, my atheism is mostly grounded in history, particularly history of religion. Understanding that, I see no reason why Christianity should be more true than Hinduism or any other religion.

The history of Western monotheism can be studied, analysed and understood, when you understand that, it just seems silly to believe such things as you likely do.

Please enlighten me as to why Western Monotheism makes Christianity look silly?  I work with a physician that is Hindu and we speak of his religion quite often, I do not look down on it, I actually find it a very peace, loving religion.  It may not be what I believe but there is no disparity between us as I would read your thread to say?

And might I assume that you are a theology major or a studier on your own?

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2011, 02:00:45 PM »
Please enlighten me as to why Western Monotheism makes Christianity look silly?  I work with a physician that is Hindu and we speak of his religion quite often, I do not look down on it, I actually find it a very peace, loving religion.  It may not be what I believe but there is no disparity between us as I would read your thread to say?

And might I assume that you are a theology major or a studier on your own?

How do you interpret the bible?
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« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2011, 02:02:29 PM »
Please enlighten me as to why Western Monotheism makes Christianity look silly?  I work with a physician that is Hindu and we speak of his religion quite often, I do not look down on it, I actually find it a very peace, loving religion.  It may not be what I believe but there is no disparity between us as I would read your thread to say?

And might I assume that you are a theology major or a studier on your own?

I did not say that Western monotheism makes Christianity look silly; I said that upon understanding Western monotheism, Christianity looks silly.

History buff.

And as far as I can recall, Christianity requires the belief that all other religions are fatuous.
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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2011, 02:04:59 PM »
how did i know that this thread would make it this big so fast



there is nothing more cliche than a bunch of wanna be know it all's discussing religion/God/"theory" on the internet


seriously, how passe'

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« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2011, 02:05:44 PM »
How do you interpret the bible?

This is a simple and very effective question.....I go to a church where our preachers have their phd's in theology and study the different Latin versions of the various wording and we sit down in study groups to discuss....I would be the first to admit, I do not know near enough to actually be on here argueing about, but I do know a good bit about science and will discuss my beliefs with anyone that likes to sit down and discuss it.

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« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2011, 02:06:52 PM »
how did i know that this thread would make it this big so fast



there is nothing more cliche than a bunch of wanna be know it all's discussing religion/God/"theory" on the internet


seriously, how passe'

well it had been about 10 minutes since the last thread about it

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #149 on: May 17, 2011, 02:07:48 PM »
how did i know that this thread would make it this big so fast



there is nothing more cliche than a bunch of wanna be know it all's discussing religion/God/"theory" on the internet


seriously, how passe'
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