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First off, I am not out to offend anyone with this post. I want to have a legit conversation about this.
The fact is bb takes hard work, dedication, genetics and drugs. There is no athleticism involved imo. You eat, sleep, tan, lift and shit. You then step on stage and flex. What a bb does is no different then a women who is training for, and competing in beauty pageants. Obviously bb has become a freak show so the beauty part does not apply, but the main idea is the same. Yes, a lot of bb's are former athletes. But most where not good enough to make it into a pro leauge of some type, or stopped playing sports due to injury. You could be the most god awful athlete in the world, but if you have the right genetics, and response to drugs, you could be a world champion bb.
Let me see a single bb do something like in the link I posted below. While bodybuilder's are very dedicated they are not athletes imo. No more then a chick who diets, trains , tans and stands on stage competing in a pageant. No disrespect meant by this post. Chick would lead you to believe bb's are among the worlds top athletes ::) You have to admire the dedication pro bb's show, just cannot see how they would be classified along side pro athletes.
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You're right. People like body88 who do not really, truly, put their hearts into their workouts are not athletes. They are armchair warriors.
I fucken put my heart and soul into my workout and am an athlete through and through.
I put plenty of dedication into working out. I eat clean and train pretty hard. I do not walk around thinking I am a athlete because of that. My point was not to start a flame war.
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First off I do not mean to offend anyone with this statement. The fact is bb takes hard work dedication and drugs. There is no athleticism involved. You eat, sleep, tan, lift and shit. What a bb does is no different then a women who is training for and competing in beauty pageants. Obviously bb has become a freak show so the beauty part does not apply, but the main idea is the same. Yes, a lot of bb's are former athletes. But most where not good enough to make it into a pro leauge of some type, or stopped playing sports due to injury. You could be the most god awful athlete in the world, but if you have the right genetics, and response to drugs, you could be a champion bb.
Let me see a single bb do something like in the link I posted below. While bodybuilder's are very dedicated they are not athletes. No more then a chick who diets, trains , tans and stands on stage competing in a pageant. No disrespect meant by this post. Chick would lead you to believe bb's are among the worlds top athletes ::) You have to admire the dedication pro bb's show, just cannot see how they would be classified with pro athletes. Not trying to flame anyone.
...........or this;
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/si_video/2005/08/03/tiki.workout.SportsIllustrated.html
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your calling bodybuilders non athletes, and you're not expecting a war?
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your calling bodybuilders non athletes, and you're not expecting a war?
I stated an opinion. You know this board can be used for other shat that does not have to do with ownings. I did not type anything that was inflammatory. If you do not agree with what I said, post why. No war.
I have a ton of respect for bb's. I happen to like the ironage look mostly, but I like some of the current competitors also.
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See you put "plenty". Yeah I put fuckall. And live the lifestyle 24/7/365.
You're not an athlete.
I am.
No you're not. No athletic ability involved.....sorry.
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First off I do not mean to offend anyone with this statement. The fact is bb takes hard work dedication and drugs. There is no athleticism involved. You eat, sleep, tan, lift and shit. What a bb does is no different then a women who is training for and competing in beauty pageants. Obviously bb has become a freak show so the beauty part does not apply, but the main idea is the same. Yes, a lot of bb's are former athletes. But most where not good enough to make it into a pro leauge of some type, or stopped playing sports due to injury. You could be the most god awful athlete in the world, but if you have the right genetics, and response to drugs, you could be a champion bb.
Let me see a single bb do something like in the link I posted below. While bodybuilder's are very dedicated they are not athletes. No more then a chick who diets, trains , tans and stands on stage competing in a pageant. No disrespect meant by this post. Chick would lead you to believe bb's are among the worlds top athletes ::) You have to admire the dedication pro bb's show, just cannot see how they would be classified with pro athletes. Not trying to flame anyone.
How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
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didnt we do this thread like 2 weeks ago?
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
Because it takes a superior level of athletic ability to play the game at the highest level. A pro bb works out, takes drugs, and sleeps. Then he gets on stage and squeezes his muscles. A guy like dave Henrey is considered a top "athlete" in his sport. The guy is like 5'2.
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
My little friend.........baseball players are light years ahead of any bodybuilder in athletic ability. I'll spare you the details why because you and Garreath or whatever his name is will never grasp it.
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were the only sport that lives the life all yr round...altho bodybuilding competition isnt an athletic contest, all the weeks or yrs building upto them must surely count for somthing
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
You have one flaw in your post. There is skill involved in being a pro baseball or football player. Drugs enhance a skill which is already there. Not just anyone can take drugs, have a decent response to them, then go and knock 70 home runs out of the park...doesn't work that way. In bodybuilding, there is absolutely zero skill require, which is why so many are involved and can make pretty good gains...with drugs that is. The drugs come into play for most who can't achieve much naturally. To achieve a great physique naturally requires a level of dedication most people simply do not have, this is why many are on gear. Kind of like a consolation prize for a lesser work ethic and horrid genetics.
Of course there are exceptions to every rule, there are some who obtain a great physique and choose to take gear to win $4 trophies.
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Ever try posing? For real? omg, talk about control.
Anyone who does not understand this concept is pissing into the wind.
I'll assume you're joking on this one. Michael Jordan probably doesn't have the skill needed to be a pro bodybuilder. No way could he handle the complex maneuvering of a front double bicep...haah
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Funny I Trained dozens of Baseball players including MLB no of them could Train with a Pro bodybuilder. Same goes to the Pro bobybuilder could not Train the same style of the Basellball player....comparing apples and oranges....
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I'll assume you're joking on this one. Michael Jordan probably doesn't have the skill needed to be a pro bodybuilder. No way could he handle the complex maneuvering of a front double bicep...haah
I assume you have compete in BB to make such statement. When was your last competition???
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haha, why do you say this?
The HARDEST (by far) part of working out with Milos is the dexterity and muscle control required. This takes much practice. Just like shooting from the freethrow line takes practice to get your dexterity and muscle control to the point where you can hit it every time.
Ever try posing? For real? omg, talk about control.
Anyone who does not understand this concept is pissing into the wind.
This is getting ridiculous. Any spaz can bodybuild. Posing? Are you kidding me! Dude, you're not an athlete!
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Why do we need to answer the same question each week ?
is a BB an athlete or is BB a sport.....
its gay, geared, and grotesque...so yea it is a sport.
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Funny I Trained dozens of Baseball players including MLB no of them could Train with a Pro bodybuilder. Same goes to the Pro bobybuilder could not Train the same style of the Basellball player....comparing apples and oranges....
more like comparing apples to shit
anyone with the genetics and alot of gear can become a pro
case and point...paul dillet. Other sports need talent+hardwork+genetics+gear
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This is getting ridiculous. Any spaz can bodybuild. Posing? Are you kidding me! Dude, you're not an athlete!
Funny again is like me saying that I can do that same the Kobe or Michael because I am best player on the weekend games.
What is your experience in BB ??
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more like comparing apples to shit
anyone with the genetics and alot of gear can become a pro
case and point...paul dillet. Other sports need talent+hardwork+genetics+gear
If you think that anyone with genetics and gear can became a PRO you don't know anything about BB. So you are saying that you don't need hardwork to became a Pro Bb ( what a stupid statement). That shows the your level of complete stupiddity.
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Because it takes a superior level of athletic ability to play the game at the highest level. A pro bb works out, takes drugs, and sleeps. Then he gets on stage and squeezes his muscles. A guy like dave Henrey is considered a top "athlete" in his sport. The guy is like 5'2.
Ya, ok, thats why 99.9 % of bodybuilders can't reach anywhere close to a pro level.
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Fellas! Fellas! Bodybuilding is a show! Not a sport! A few are freakier than all the rest and they make some money at it. The rest, like me, do it as a hobby.
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Good topic.
I don't think this one has been covered yet.
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenge to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
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haha, I'll be there tonight. Does that count? ;D
You are an athlete ....and you know it better that anyone.
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You are an athlete ....and you know it better that anyone.
The pros are just the ones who have chosen to take it to another level and are judged freakier than the guy standing next to him. If you want to call yourself an athlete (Garreath), have at it. I'm sure you're just a basic local meathead who's the biggest guy in his gym............whatever.
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You are an athlete ....and you know it better that anyone.
LOL, yeah.. keep telling yourself that. bb'ing is not an athletic activity, at least not in the traditional sense.
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Here's a question:
Most athletes are tagged with skill and conditioning.
Athletic conditioning is defined as being in condition to perform their sport for a full season, be it basketball, football, track etc.
Can we truly say that bbers are athletically conditioned? Maybe for a day?
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Good topic.
I don't think this one has been covered yet.
There are no bb shows to talk about at the moment. Everything we talk about is in the past. By your logic we should not make threads about the Olympia since it has been debated to death and was held last year.
We should not start threads on anything that has been talked about before. Since this is a bb board don't know how that wouldwork.
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There are no bb shows to talk about at the moment. Everything we talk about is in the past. By your logic we should not make threads about the Olympia since it has been debated to death and was held last year.
We should not start threads on anything that has been talked about before. Since this is a bb board don't know how that wouldwork.
Good point ;)
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A bodybuilder is considered an athlete because of the physical envolvment with it all. You can't be a BODYbuilder, withouth involving the BODY.
Sports require Skill, such as throwing, catching, handling a hockey stick, kicking...you name it.
But bodybuilders have to master a few skills themselves.
Posing is a skill, hell some lifting techniques require skill as well, otherwise you get injured.(not to mention mental focus for dieting and contest prep)
It's no different from an olympic sport...example: bobsledding, they practice for months and months, only for a few seconds on the track. (and even there they dont do anythign really "athletic" they sit in a freakin sled and lean from one side to another)...Bodybuilders do the same, they train and prepare for only a short time of competition...we could go on and on, but if Bobsledding could be considered a sport...along with Race Car Driving, Ping Pong, hell even poker and curling and darts....then bodybuilding is a definite shoe-in.
You might look at it as a hobby too, many people lift as a pastime activity, but given the fact that the total body is used and worked and strained constantly, you can't ignore that kind of physical involvement.
If bodybuilding (which comes from hours in the gym) is not considrered a sport...
how can boxing, football, powerlifting, etc. be considered sports? when they all require thier athletes to train in gyms just as much? the only difference is, outside the gym the other guys appy their bodies to a skill, such as throwing, running, etc. Bodybuilders use it towards posing etc. one way or another you're benefiting from the gains/results attained in the gym.
So what is so different?
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I'd love to see Lee Priest or Jay Cutler try to compete in the old Superstar competitions. How comical would that be seeing them waddle around the obstacle course.
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Ya, ok, thats why 99.9 % of bodybuilders can't reach anywhere close to a pro level.
What does that have to do with being an athlete? 99.9 percent of amateur racecar drivers cannot make it to the pro level either.
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Bodybuilders blow their bodies up with drugs to extreme levels to get on stage and try to be freakier than the next guy. Please! Stop with the posing being athletic. It's a show boys.
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First off, I am not out to offend anyone with this post. I want to have a legit conversation about this.
The fact is bb takes hard work, dedication, genetics and drugs. There is no athleticism involved imo. You eat, sleep, tan, lift and shit. You then step on stage and flex. What a bb does is no different then a women who is training for, and competing in beauty pageants. Obviously bb has become a freak show so the beauty part does not apply, but the main idea is the same. Yes, a lot of bb's are former athletes. But most where not good enough to make it into a pro leauge of some type, or stopped playing sports due to injury. You could be the most god awful athlete in the world, but if you have the right genetics, and response to drugs, you could be a world champion bb.
Let me see a single bb do something like in the link I posted below. While bodybuilder's are very dedicated they are not athletes imo. No more then a chick who diets, trains , tans and stands on stage competing in a pageant. No disrespect meant by this post. Chick would lead you to believe bb's are among the worlds top athletes ::) You have to admire the dedication pro bb's show, just cannot see how they would be classified along side pro athletes.
Let's see one normal athlete do this
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Because it takes a superior level of athletic ability to play the game at the highest level. A pro bb works out, takes drugs, and sleeps. Then he gets on stage and squeezes his muscles. A guy like dave Henrey is considered a top "athlete" in his sport. The guy is like 5'2.
ehhh.... so what you are saying is that small people can't be athletes either ???
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mugsey booges (sp?) was a top basketball player and was only like 5'5
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Bodybuilders blow their bodies up with drugs to extreme levels to get on stage and try to be freakier than the next guy. Please! Stop with the posing being athletic. It's a show boys.
drugs don't do the work for you...watch Branch Warren's DVD or Ronnie coleman and see how they bust thier ass in the gym...i hate how people say "all steroids" or "drugs are cheating" lol ....you have to work 2wice as hard still! shitheads!
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mugsey booges (sp?) was a top basketball player and was only like 5'5
He was an athlete. Henrey stands there and flex's.
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What physical skills do pro bbers have that you and I don't?? Why are they pros and not me?? They look better according to judges. Looking the part is not a physical skill. If bodybuilding comps were anything remotely close to a physical contest, this thread wouldn't even come up.
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ath·lete(thlt)
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
I googled "definition athlete" and got the above definition...so going by this, it would be logical enough to say that a bodybuilder IS an athlete...they obviously need extreme strength, agility,and endurance to train to that extent, and obviously they perform in competitive contexts...
The difference between bodybuilding and baseball, is that with bodybuilding, when you go to an event you are witnessing the end product of all that hard work...with baseball you're watching it happen. Also, you can be a professional baseball player and be 20lbs overweight...you can't be a competitive bodybuilder and be 20lbs overweight. You can have obese professional football players, but not obese competitive bodybuilders.
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You can have obese professional football players, but not obese competitive bodybuilders.
it's ironic tho that on a bodybuilder's day of competition, he is pretty much at his weakest haha.
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Mcnabb said he'll rep 405lbs for a good 8
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ath·lete(thlt)
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
I googled "definition athlete" and got the above definition...so going by this, it would be logical enough to say that a bodybuilder IS an athlete...they obviously need extreme strength, agility,and endurance to train to that extent, and obviously they perform in competitive contexts...
The difference between bodybuilding and baseball, is that with bodybuilding, when you go to an event you are witnessing the end product of all that hard work...with baseball you're watching it happen. Also, you can be a professional baseball player and be 20lbs overweight...you can't be a competitive bodybuilder and be 20lbs overweight. You can have obese professional football players, but not obese competitive bodybuilders.
With that logic you could compare proffesional curlers with nfl players. BB's are not athletes. Do you think beauty pageant contestants are athletes? To me comparing Cutler to a guy like Ladanian Tomlinson is laughable and silly.
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according to the dictionary bodybuilding is a sport
it matches the definition of "sport"
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
In all my years on here, this has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read reguarding this subject!!
Baseball of all the sports, takes the most amount of skill and to say they don't move 99% of the time just shows how ignorant you really are. I think it was Ted Williams that said "Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports". When the ball is pitched, it takes the batter about less than a half of a second to react and a little longer for an infielder to react to hit ball. So Rooster, step back an think before you post..........you seem to have a hard time with that!
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
LMAO
have you ever tried to hit a 70 MPH baseball comming at you with a bat, let alone a 90-100MPH fastball. Its borderline impossible for 99% of the population.
and wtf does drugs do to help a baseball players hand eye coordination? sure it can make him swing the bat faster, and hit the ball harder, but he still has to make contact.
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In all my years on here, this has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read reguarding this subject!!
Baseball of all the sports, takes the most amount of skill and to say they don't move 99% of the time just shows how ignorant you really are. I think it was Ted Williams that said "Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports". When the ball is pitched, it takes the batter about less than a half of a second to react and a little longer for an infielder to react to hit ball. So Rooster, step back an think before you post..........you seem to have a hard time with that!
You seem to have love and respect for baseball and I very much respect that. Do not disrespect Bodybuilding because others have the same love you have for baseball and respect to Bodybuilding. Anyone that known bodybuiding know that incredible amount of determination, hardwork, persistancy it takes.
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Also, you can be a professional baseball player and be 20lbs overweight...you can't be a competitive bodybuilder and be 20lbs overweight. You can have obese professional football players, but not obese competitive bodybuilders.
But the baseball player who is 20lbs overweight can usually run around the diamond after hitting the 95mph fastball and not passout, and if football players are deemed obese during the physical, they don't play...........period!
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But the baseball player who is 20lbs overweight can usually run around the diamond after hitting the 95mph fastball and not passout, and if football players are deemed obese during the physical, they don't play...........period!
...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....
Different sports require different skills...
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Even as a complete beginner, I'm more conditioned now than I have ever been -- even while playing sports: soccer, baseball and basketball.
Those sports require NOTHING compared to the level of conditioning required in bbing. Nothing.
...that is, unless you're a weekend warrior or casual lifter.
and you re a 24/7/365 warrior and regular lifter...so what, does it makes you an "athlete"? no, cause your achievements cant be judged , there s no "sport" for what you re doing , nothing to compare/judge your body....and if u entered a contest you would be dead last cause you dont have the genetics and pleasing lines...So please stop refering yourself as an athlete or a "true" warrior...you re just a guy who s more obsessed with his body and insecruties than the "casual lifter" you were refering to.
Sports are about judging a PERFORMANCE, not a physique...
There are rules to folow, markers on the ground, you can actually JUDGE/see the perfomance being accomplished and rate it with universal and unilateral rules.
Again, posing on stage with a litle pink tong covering a ridicuously small dick and shrinking balls showing off muscles is a gay occupation, period.
Lifting weights to build a more muscular physique ,eat healthy, to impress people when showing off and feel good about yourself is not a performance, its a way of life, something much more deeper than just being rated after your scored a shot playing basketball for example.
You dont need to label it as a sport to make it more respectable... there s nothing to justify.
Lifting weights to build a muscular physique is in my book respectable ,whatever the results and your genetics, as long as you know why you re doing it and before it becomes an obssessive behavior due to a major insecurity (whatever it is).
Some people try to perfect their mind learning philosophy and other stuff, we try to perfect our physiques lifting weights, that's as simple as that, no need to compare our physiques to each others posing in thongs...
In fact i think the guy who feel the need to pose on stage compared to others people, the guy who takes it too far, and considers himself as an athlete, is the most insecure of em all.
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...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....
Different sports require different skills...
You are talking about athletic activities. What athletic skill does a pro bb have to be classed with the likes of Ladanian Tomlinson, Manny Ramirez, Micheal Jordan or Wayne Gretzky? Superior hand eye coordination? Superior endurance? faster? What is it? Superior response to steroids does not count. I think it is safe to say every athlete I just listed is not on drugs.
I want to know what the difference is between a beauty pageant contestant and a bodybuilder. Besides the "beauty" of course, since bb has gone the mass at all costs route over the last 15 years. Both "athletes" diet hard over a period of months or years, and train with weights. Just because the pageant contestant does not lift for size does not mean she does not give her training and diet 100 percent dedication. Both "pose" and put a lot of time and effort into a posing routine to show to judges on stage. Both put a lot of effort in to the prep work. Tan , skin , color, and finish. Would Miss America be considered a professional athlete? Seems to me if you compare a guy like Ron Coleman to the best pro athletes in the world, Miss America should be in that comparison.
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...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....
Different sports require different skills...
What physical skills are required to be a top bber?
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I am going to agree with you here. There are a ton of "physical skills" ie genetics needed to be a pro bb. We can both agree on that My main beef was the superior athletic skill.
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What physical skills are required to be a top bber?
Did you mean athletic? Because I agree with you that there is no superior "athletic ability" needed to bb.
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I'm waiting. Is it strength? Endurance? Power? Speed? Hand/eye coordination? Agility? Balance?? What can Mr. Olympia "DO" that no other person can do?
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hahahaahaaaa, that's like asking: "What kind of eye hand coordination skills does a baseball player need??"
A ball player at the plate has .3 seconds to swing a round bat at a small round ball coming straight at him at breakneck speeds, not to mention what to do if the ball is going tro hit him in the head.
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How is a baseball player an athlete? while in the field he stands there not moving 99% of the time, some of them smoke, most of them drink, the majority of them take drugs as in mr. soon to be home run king.
the NFL? all human growth hormone takers, mutants of science.
sorry, your bubble has busted.
Well "old Rooster" , Derek Jeter has hGH to thank for his baseball skills and Jason taylor has hGH to thank for leading the NFL in sacks last season.
You see my friend, Real athletes have SKILLS or TALENTS.... a bber has NONE.
HOpe this helps
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenge to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
My friend, you would look like a CLOWN trying to workout at a place like this. I bet there are Highschool kids that could OWN you in every drill there. Hell, you wouldnt make it through the dynamic activation warm-up!
http://www.parisischool.com/
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...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....
Different sports require different skills...
Those people in those particular sports are not conditioned for that, a lineman for example, is only conditioned for about 15-20 yards, the tennis player can be trained to be competitive to swim, the Olympic boxer has no need to dead 500, but could be trained.
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With that logic you could compare proffesional curlers with nfl players. BB's are not athletes. Do you think beauty pageant contestants are athletes? To me comparing Cutler to a guy like Ladanian Tomlinson is laughable and silly.
Sorry to break it to ya, but we are. We train and diet for a specific date. Football players train and diet for a specific weight. Just because we are not as athletic as you would like, you can't slight us by saying we are not athletes.
That is as stupid as saying NFL players aren't strong, they're just big. Give me a break.
and BTW......Bowlers are athletes too. ;D
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...and I doubt a lineman in the NFL could run the 220....or a pro tennis player could swim the 4X4 relay....or a Olympic boxer could deadlift 500 lbs.....
Different sports require different skills...
CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require?? ???
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CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require?? ???
Strength and coordination, hope this helps. 8)
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
Is your handle a reflection of the movie company? If so PM me. ;D
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Strength and coordination, hope this helps. 8)
When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?
Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)
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When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?
Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)
I am so tried of your talk .....you do even workout ...you have no idea what it takes. What is your experience in BB to even talk about it....
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CHICK, what SKILL does Bodybuilding require?? ???
thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....
the bottom line is....it is what it is.....bb is different and unique, but still a sport and still has athletes that make up it's roster.
there are many "sports" that dont fall into the typical mold....is cliffdiving a sport? whats the skill...jumping off a mountain into water? How about nascar? are they "athletes", and is it a sport?
this argument is old and tiresome....
I train for competition, I dont have to run the forty...shoot free throws, or do the iron cross on the rings, no more than each of those respective athletes have to train different bodyparts everyday, do 2 hours of cardio, or perform 3 rounds of posing while depleated and dehydrated.
There are different kinds of sports, and different types of athletes.
end of debate.
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When on a bbing stage is a bber judged on coordination or strength?
Hope this helps ( although I doubt it will)
Show us a picture of the Great Devon97.....I tell you a picture tell 1000 words...I have a strange feeling you look like a nerd chicken. Stop hating ....
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thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....
These "skills" aren't physical. They don't improve your body's performance, only it's appearence. Looking good is not an athletic endeavor.
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Bodybuilders are performance athletes much like ice skaters. ;) Maybe they will make a movie about bodybuilers and have Will Ferrell and John Hederer star in it. ;D
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You seem to have love and respect for baseball and I very much respect that. Do not disrespect Bodybuilding because others have the same love you have for baseball and respect to Bodybuilding. Anyone that known bodybuiding know that incredible amount of determination, hardwork, persistancy it takes.
I never said that I did not respect the detrmination and work that goes into bodybuilding, I really do, but I have been on both sides of the fence, I have competed and I have played pro ball, there is a huge difference between training to be a bodybuilder and training for athletics, it's VERY difficult for a bodybuilder to go back and train for a sport without having some sort of an injury that will slow his/her progress, even in the weight room, it's difficult for a bodybuilder to train on the same level as an athlete and visa versa, but if the athlete were to train like a bodybuilder, I'd be willing to bet that the injuries would be minimal if at all!
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These "skills" aren't physical. They don't improve your body's performance, only it's appearence. Looking good is not an athletic endeavor.
Thats what you dont get...the performance IS the appearance. Body building is indeed physical...
merely "looking good" isn't exactly Professional bodybuilding....swimmers look good, they cant compete in pro bb.
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Thats what you dont get...the performance IS the appearance. Body building is indeed physical...
merely "looking good" isn't exactly Professional bodybuilding....swimmers look good, they cant compete in pro bb.
Palease, Bobby. If bodybuilding was a sport and bodybuilders were anything remotely resembling athletes, this thread wouldn't even come up.
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body88, you're confusing an athletic competition with an "athlete".
a BB show obviously isn't an athletic competition, even though it may require a lot of athleticism (flexing is hard for extended periods, try it sometime). the competitors aren't judged by feats of athleticism, they all go through the exact same motions and whoever looks best wins. it would be like if football games were judged by whose plays were the most graceful rather than who got into the endzone, or if basketball players got extra points when their shot form was good.
however, the amount of athleticism needed to get up to that level is undeniable. yeah, you can argue steroids and whatnot, but for the time being we'll scrap that because we're not talking the olympia, just bodybuilding in general.
how do you define an "athlete"? i think a safe definition for our purposes is "someone who is capable of performing feats requiring physical exertion". that way we avoid dart players and such. now, bodybuilding is entirely built in the weight room. players of all sports have a weight training protocol as a part of their curriculum, so obviously weight training increases one's athleticism. thus, someone who dedicates themselves to the weight room will in turn increase their athleticism.
you can argue that bodybuilding training isn't optimal for athletic progress, but to say that bodybuilders aren't athletes is just stupid. ronnie coleman lunging across a parking lot in 100+ degree texas weather with 225 on his back is proof enough of that.
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Palease, Bobby. If bodybuilding was a sport and bodybuilders were anything remotely resembling athletes, this thread wouldn't even come up.
It comes up because people need to justify their own lack of success by bringing it down to their level...otherwise, they wouldn't care either way.
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It comes up because people need to justify their own lack of success by bringing it down to their level...otherwise, they wouldn't care either way.
What can athletic skill can a pro bber do that I cannot, and how does it make them a pro bber?
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It comes up because people need to justify their own lack of success by bringing it down to their level...otherwise, they wouldn't care either way.
I am not successful because I do not believe bb's are athletes? Where was I disrespectful in my post? Yea Chick you are right up there with the likes of Manny Ramirez, Jordan and Ladanian Tomlinson ::) Typical... Anyone who doe not agree with you is jealous or unsuccessful.
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What can athletic skill can a pro bber do that I cannot, and how does it make them a pro bber?
Get onstage and compete in a pro BB competition....
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Get onstage and compete in a pro BB competition....
Maybe he is not into posing in next to nothing? Which is ok. I am not saying there is anything wrong with competing in bb shows. Some may not be into that type of thing. Still failing to see how a pro bb is comparable to a pro nfl, mlb, nba or nhl player. Oh I forgot pro football/soccer players also.
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Get onstage and compete in a pro BB competition....
Just answer the question.
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Maybe he is not into posing in next to nothing? Which is ok. I am not saying there is anything wrong with competing in bb shows. Some may not be into that type of thing. Still failing to see how a pro bb is comparable to a pro nfl, mlb, nba or nhl player.
It's not comparable...that's my whole point. Go back and re-read my post....it doesn't HAVE to be comparable.
They are DIFFERENT sports, and DIFFERENT types of athletes. Some sports are more athletic than others....and BTW...I never singled you out, just made a generalization...if it fits you, then so be it, if it doesn't... then you wouldn't take offense anyway...
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Sport is human excellence in physical activity. Bodybuilding is the cultivation appearance of being able to excel in physical activity; it is not sport. Thus competing in bodybuilding doesn't make one an athlete.
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Just answer the question.
That did answer the question...
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That did answer the question...
No. What PHYSICAL SKILL is needed to exel at bodybuilding??
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thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....
the bottom line is....it is what it is.....bb is different and unique, but still a sport and still has athletes that make up it's roster.
there are many "sports" that dont fall into the typical mold....is cliffdiving a sport? whats the skill...jumping off a mountain into water? How about nascar? are they "athletes", and is it a sport?
this argument is old and tiresome....
I train for competition, I dont have to run the forty...shoot free throws, or do the iron cross on the rings, no more than each of those respective athletes have to train different bodyparts everyday, do 2 hours of cardio, or perform 3 rounds of posing while depleated and dehydrated.
There are different kinds of sports, and different types of athletes.
end of debate.
in case you missed it the first time around....walk a mile in my shoes.
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in case you missed it the first time around....walk a mile in my shoes.
I doubt a pro bber could walk a mile. Secondly those "skills" that you note are not physical. Is Miss Universe an athlete because she competes in peagents?
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I doubt a pro bber could walk a mile. Secondly those "skills" that you note are not physical. Is Miss Universe an athlete because she competes in peagents?
I never knew Ms. Universe had to deplete, or dehydtare, or do drop sets, or 170lb. incline DB presses, etc.... or do 3 rounds of mandatory poses....as I said, talking about whether or not what we do is a physical activity or not, when you've never done it yourself, is comical.
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
Can we make that same offer to you in return?
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I imagine that certain bodybuilding lifting techniques are a skill to master in the same way me and my team try to master olympic style lifts(both very technical). Olympic lifting is considered a sport, so why shouldn't bodybuilding be? The performance in olympic lifting is the lift, the performance in bodybuilding is the physique, at least my opinion.
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It comes up because people need to justify their own lack of success by bringing it down to their level...otherwise, they wouldn't care either way.
Thats bullshit!!
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Olympic lifting is considered a sport, so why shouldn't bodybuilding be? The performance in olympic lifting is the lift, the performance in bodybuilding is the physique, at least my opinion.
Olympic lifting is functional, bodybuilding is isolation.
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Thats bullshit!!
Is that so??
Or do you fall into that category?
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what is your point?
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What would Jay Cutler have to do to "beat" me in bodybuilding?
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so you define a sport on whether it's training is "fuctional"? Archery is sport, how is it's training fuctional by your standards? That logic doesn't make sense to me however powerlifts are functional, and are used by bodybuilders.
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What would Jay Cutler have to do to "beat" me in bodybuilding?
Nothing...you don't compete.
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Nothing...you don't compete.
Your right, he'd have to do nothing. You win by how you look and ONLY by how you look.
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Is that so??
Or do you fall into that category?
I don't consider myself having a lack of success in bodybuilding, I got fed up with the industry bullshit and wasn't willing to do what it takes, if you recall quite a few years ago on Mayhem, Prince and I had this same argument that went on forever about the amount of gear that it took and he made the comment "well, maybe if you would have taken "all that gear" I might have turned pro..............the rest is history and you know how that turned out!!
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To me, bodybuilding seems to be more like figure skating, or gymnastics. All of them train in order to do a routine that showcases whatever skill is needed to demonstrate the sport. I suppose the skill in bodybuilding is muscle building combined with conditioning and aesthetics.
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To me, bodybuilding seems to be more like figure skating, or gymnastics. All of them train in order to do a routine that showcases whatever skill is needed to demonstrate the sport. I suppose the skill in bodybuilding is muscle building combined with conditioning and aesthetics.
Define "conditioning"
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Anyone ........I mean Anyone that thinks that they are an Athlete or know an Athlete are challenged to come and workout out with a "peagent" competitor. I will show you that real beaty of bb world.
A lot of talk but ANYONE to back it ....come show me I am not an Athlete.
Koloseum Tonight ANYONE....?
already done for the night maybe another time :-*
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Your right, he'd have to do nothing. You win by how you look and ONLY by how you look.
Great...whats your point?
In Nascar...you win by going faster than the other guy, and ONLY going faster than the other guy....in gymnastics, you win by performing better than the other athletes, and ONLY by performing better....etc, etc...
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I suppose conditioning refers to achieving a low levels of bodyfat and water. You guys keep comparing different skills to each other in order to justify your points. That is comparing apples and oranges. Sure a gymnast can touch their nose with their toe, that is apart of their skill arsenal. They also couldn't do amost muscular and display muscularity with crazy conditioning. Both differenent types athletes will train differently in order to achieve the desired skill(s) needed to excel in their sport.
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Great...whats your point?
In Nascar...you win by going faster than the other guy, and ONLY going faster than the other guy....in gymnastics, you win by performing better than the other athletes, and ONLY by performing better....etc, etc...
You're a fool if you think gymnastics doesn't REQUIRE great amounts of balance, strength, agility, and power. They are judged by how they performed athletic skills. Body builders are judged by how they appear. It's no different than a dog show.
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I would imagine that it takes great amounts of balance, strength, agility(in some excercises), and power when training with weights in order to develop the size needed to be a good bodybuilder. The same way a olympic lifter needs all the above skills in order to perform olympic style lifts.
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You're a fool if you think gymnastics doesn't REQUIRE great amounts of balance, strength, agility, and power. They are judged by how they performed athletic skills. Body builders are judged by how they appear. It's no different than a dog show.
No one said it didn't....and gymnasts don't have to do what we do....the very point you seem to not understand.
Different sport, different type of athlete....
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No one said it didn't....and gymnasts don't have to do what we do....the very point you seem to not understand.
Different sport, different type of athlete....
OK, this isn't getting through your hgh thickened head. How are bodybuilding contests won?
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OK, this isn't getting through your hgh thickened head. How are bodybuilding contests won?
STILL don't get it, as evidenced by yet another retarded question....
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in case you missed it the first time around....walk a mile in my shoes.
I've walked several miles in your shoes (figurativly speaking) thats why I can argue my point, the sports you mentioned require skill, strength, and physical conditioning, you mentioned NASCAR, even thought I'm not a huge fan, I can see the the strength and conditioning that is required, how about this.........500miles, no power steering, 140 degrees in the cockpit, the skill of either getting in front of or getting behind another cars wind stream (or whatever it's called)....dude, it ain't just 500 miles of constant left turns!!
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I would imagine that it takes great amounts of balance, strength, agility(in some excercises), and power when training with weights in order to develop the size needed to be a good bodybuilder. The same way a olympic lifter needs all the above skills in order to perform olympic style lifts.
Not really. Bodybuilders don't necessarily need any of those factors you mentioned. Futhermore, there is little correlation between those factors and determination of being a "good bodybuilder" - if you are stronger or have better balance - does that make you a "better" or "more athletic" bodybuilder?
The difference is the olympic lifter is judged objectively on how much s/he can lift. There is a strong correlation with their "skill" and their performance as an athlete. This correlation is weak at best for bodybuilders.
At the end of the day you can chose to use whatever definition of "athlete" you want if it helps you sleep at night. Potatoe, Potat"O"
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I've walked several miles in your shoes (figurativly speaking) thats why I can argue my point, the sports you mentioned require skill, strength, and physical conditioning, you mentioned NASCAR, even thought I'm not a huge fan, I can see the the strength and conditioning that is required, how about this.........500miles, no power steering, 140 degrees in the cockpit, the skill of either getting in front of or getting behind another cars wind stream (or whatever it's called)....dude, it ain't just 500 miles of constant left turns!!
Yeah...but the gigantic chip on your shoulder makes you jaded because you didn't have what it takes to reach the pro level...now, after the fact, you make it sound like "you didn't want to take it to the next level..."
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Yeah...but the gigantic chip on your shoulder makes you jaded because you didn't have what it takes to reach the pro level...now, after the fact, you make it sound like "you didn't want to take it to the next level..."
Haha....no, I had what it took, I just wasn't willing to take that much of it........if it sounds like I didn't want to take it to the next level.......you're right, I wasn't dumb enough to take it to that level!
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Haha....no, I had what it took, I just wasn't willing to take that much of it........if it sounds like I didn't want to take it to the next level.......you're right, I wasn't dumb enough to take it to that level!
Nooooooo..obviously you didn't. You rationalize in your mind that the guys beating you were taking a boatload more gear than you were..that's why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.
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why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.
Who says I wasn't winning? When I was winning I took VERY little and the problem was I wasn't willing to take much more, nothing wrong with my genetics for bodybuilding, I'm a realist and know what I am and am not capable of, I trained with people who I competed against and new how much and what they were taking................I'm not so afraid anymore!
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Show us a picture of the Great Devon97.....I tell you a picture tell 1000 words...I have a strange feeling you look like a nerd chicken. Stop hating ....
Evil Angel, look at Federov, he has an AWFULL physique but is without question an athlete. It takes no TALENT or SKILL to perform what you do. It does take EFFORT, but even the worst most UNathletic person can give effort and be diciplined.
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thereare lots of "skills" that pro bb requires....training properly and training with the ability to build a pro calliber physique is a skill unto itself....thats what seperates people that train with weights, from being a pro bb. Training while on a carb-specific diet is a skill which requires incredible mental discipline...posing and displaying your physique is a skill, the ability to flex all muscles at the same time...skill of accentuating strong points, while hiding weak points....
the bottom line is....it is what it is.....bb is different and unique, but still a sport and still has athletes that make up it's roster.
there are many "sports" that dont fall into the typical mold....is cliffdiving a sport? whats the skill...jumping off a mountain into water? How about nascar? are they "athletes", and is it a sport?
this argument is old and tiresome....
I train for competition, I dont have to run the forty...shoot free throws, or do the iron cross on the rings, no more than each of those respective athletes have to train different bodyparts everyday, do 2 hours of cardio, or perform 3 rounds of posing while depleated and dehydrated.
There are different kinds of sports, and different types of athletes.
end of debate.
THis doesnt take talent or skill. People win a bbing show because they look the BEST not because they "have the ability to flex all muscles at the same time" lol " or "accentuating strong points" I love that one.
Chick, you cant possibly keep a straight face when you say this... can u?
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You're right. People like body88 who do not really, truly, put their hearts into their workouts are not athletes. They are armchair warriors.
I fucken put my heart and soul into my workout and am an athlete through and through.
Do you run or jump? Do you throw? Do you shoot? Do you hit? Do you tackle? If not you aren't an athlete and it isn't a true sport. And fuck you Garreath. We know your training consists of mainly stuffing your face! ;)
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Nooooooo..obviously you didn't. You rationalize in your mind that the guys beating you were taking a boatload more gear than you were..that's why you werent winning...In reality, they were taking just as much as you, they were just better or you just werent as good as you thought.
So now you are telling people what they thought? Joe looked fantastic when he competed.Maybe he did not want to risk his health. Unless you know him personally, you are speculating on how he felt during the time he competed. Everything is a peachy now, but I want to see the current crop of pros at age 60.
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I want to see the current crop of pros at age 60.
Be sure to bring a shovel.
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If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered. ::)
Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.
Here's the biggest difference.
Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT say that about PRO bbers.
And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.
When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?
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If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered. ::)
Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.
Here's the biggest difference.
Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT say that about PRO bbers.
And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.
When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?
Great point
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If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered. ::)
Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.
Here's the biggest difference.
Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT say that about PRO bbers.
And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.
When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?
wow...some of the dumbest analogies i've seen yet.
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If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered. ::)
Just because a bber is physically strong, has the ability to mentally concentrate on peak contraction of muscles, and can diet better than most of the population, it still doesn't put them in the same league as Pros in the NFL, MLB, NBA etc.
Here's the biggest difference.
Although there are users of steroids and GH in all of the above sports, the MAJORITY of them are pros without drugs and based solely on their performance as seen by their coaches. You CANNOT say that about PRO bbers.
And in the instance of most sports, with a few exceptions (golf, tennis, etc.) these pros are selected to be on a team to provide a winning successful season. Even in certain golf and tennis tournaments they select teams.
When was the last time you picked bbers to be on a team to win? HAHAHA! When will Team Muscletech go up against Team BSN for a trophy?
That's a solid point Bob.
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That's a solid point Bob.
It's a useless point as the argument is if a bb is considered an athlete or not...not what drugs any pro's in any sport are taking...
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Don't post much...
Why would someone be hostile about bodybuilding on a related site?
Kind of like going to an NFL or MLB site and saying that tennis is more of an athlete's sport.
In the end, why would we force our opinions on others, when it does not affect anyone's liberty?
I'm not a bodybuilder, but I respect the achievement. I love training. What's your reason for being here?
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wow...some of the dumbest analogies i've seen yet.
Bob, you were more of an athlete on that American Gladiator show than you are as a competitive bodybuilder. Considering bodybuilders athletes is a loooong reach.
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haha, you sound like Dr. Suess. ;D
Do I in a car, on the road, with a toad, in a bar? Do I? Sam I am.
Is green eggs and ham considered good bodybuilding nutrition?
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Don't post much...
Why would someone be hostile about bodybuilding on a related site?
Kind of like going to an NFL or MLB site and saying that tennis is more of an athlete's sport.
In the end, why would we force our opinions on others, when it does not affect anyone's liberty?
I'm not a bodybuilder, but I respect the achievement. I love training. What's your reason for being here?
Show me where in the original post there was any "hostile" comments. You dont have to hate bb's to think a pro bb is not a true proffesional athlete. I respect bb's and I love to train. I am wondering how they are in the same class as pro nfl, mlb, nhl and nba players. I admire many pros dedication and drive.
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wow...some of the dumbest analogies i've seen yet.
How is this point not valid
"If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered"
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The argument is futile at best..."How is a BB considered an athlete"? is the question.
Answers have been given on both sides of the debate...the bottom line is, "considered" by WHO? Nameless guys on the internet?
Guys who have never stepped on a stage, or have the slightest idea of what it's like to train for competition?
I don't find it too coincidental that almost 100% of the people that have competed (especially at the pro level) consider BBers athletes and it a sport....and almost 100% of those who have arent pro's, compete, etc....don't.
I don't really care if people consider it a sport, or me an athlete... either way my check(s) come in the mail every month by people/ companies that consider me one.
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How is this point not valid
"If the relation of being physical and skilled is the criteria for being an athlete, then Lumberjacks and Ditchdiggers should be considered"
Because Lumberjacks and ditchdiggers aren't in competition...they are OCCUPATIONS/ JOBS. They don't get judged, they don't have points awarded, or score goals.
Amazing I have to explain this....
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Does anyone accept the term "physique athlete" as opposed to "performance athlete?"
Saying a bb is not an athlete in the traditional sense doesn't belittle the pursuit. Professional bowlers better fit the description of an "athlete" since they execute a practiced skill to win a game (no, posing isn't in the same sense!), but I have far less respect for bowlers than bodybuilders.
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You're right. People like body88 who do not really, truly, put their hearts into their workouts are not athletes. They are armchair warriors.
I fucken put my heart and soul into my workout and am an athlete through and through.
You're a dumbass through and through.
Let us know the next time you have to chase those dumbell's around, showing off your agility while they run from you.
And hunting is a sport, too ::)
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Bob you were more of an athlete on American Gladiator than you are as a competing bodybuilder. Calling bodybuilders athletes in the tariditional sense is a stretch.
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Does anyone accept the term "physique athlete" as opposed to "performance athlete?"
Saying a bb is not an athlete in the traditional sense doesn't belittle the pursuit. Professional bowlers better fit the description of an "athlete" since they execute a practiced skill to win a game (no, posing isn't in the same sense!), but I have far less respect for bowlers than bodybuilders.
Glad someone can think....
As I've tried to explain...there are different types of athletes, not all fall into the same category as Football and baseball players.
It's like using the word "cars" to describe every automobile out there...what kind of car? Ford? Chevy? Buick? sportscar? etc.......
Of people that are "actors"....when are you considered an actor? SAG card? Actually on a TV show/ movie? Commercials? Are people that are in community plays considered "actors"?
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You're a dumbass through and through.
Let us know the next time you have to chase those dumbell's around, showing off your agility while they run from you.
And hunting is a sport, too ::)
Before even making a statement ....do you even work out really? What is your competitive experince. You talk like you know anything about BB. Please find a different Forum if you are so ignorant about BB. This after all is a BB site.
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"Do you even workout?"......
LMAO!!!!!!
If you guys had ANY CLUE what I look like (i.e. if I posed a pic here for you to mess with) you'd feel like COMPLETE idiots.
Garreth, I played a real sport in college. Bodybuilding is a vain pursuit of self-improvement (or self-abuse if you want to be a fatass all year like Alex). It is an ACTIVITY that involves compulsion to the max, selfishness and vainity. A SPORT? Get real! Look at the way a competition is JUDGED...it's all SUBJECTIVE! There is nothing objective about it. I bodybuild now to give me something to do and because it's amusing to me to have guys who take gear out the wazzoo stare at me with jealousy. I laugh at them, as I laugh at guys who think bodybuilding is a sport.
It's an activity.
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I don't really care if people consider it a sport, or me an athlete... either way my check(s) come in the mail every month by people/ companies that consider me one.
Bob, I doubt they consider you an athlete. They just have to give lip service to bodybuilders being athletes the same as you do. Ronnie Coleman who can't even walk without breathing heavy is an athlete? Give me a break.
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Bob, if bodybuilders are athletes how come so many get messed up health like Tom Prince, Flex etc... and how come so many die prematurely? Athletes are supposed to be healthy.
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Bob, if it is a sport and you are an athlete, then how come the I.O.C. doesn't think so? Jesus, they even consider snowboarding a sport. The top snowboarders get VISA commercials. What national ad campaign has any bodybuilder ever been in?
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Get onstage and compete in a pro BB competition....
Put on the pads and try to make a level 2 semi-pro team. Hell Bob, I would be willing to bet you couldnt even earn a starting position on a Div III College football team.
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Bob, if bodybuilders are athletes how come so many get messed up health like Tom Prince, Flex etc... and how come so many die prematurely? Athletes are supposed to be healthy.
The avg life of of a Football player is 9.5 years less that the avg Expectancy life of the American population. Mike Jordan had several surgerys before even turning 40. Please educate yourself....Athletes are supposed to be Healthy....You are in a Dream world ...........
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I don't really care if people consider it a sport, or me an athlete... either way my check(s) come in the mail every month
And what mighty checks they are Bob.
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I know what you look like. ::)
What's a real sport? Judo? Badmitton? Golf?
PLEASE....EgoCrusher ...tell me you don't look like that....you need to first start working out to understand. I am sorry Bro. I will be Mad and Hate bobuilders too if I look like that. I understand you.
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Again If you don't think Bodybuilding is a sport and Bodybuilders are not Athletes. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE????
DO you enjoy Muscular oil men??? Strange .....Very Strange
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I know what you look like. ::)
What's a real sport? Judo? Badmitton? Golf?
Badminton and golf are Olympic sports?
Come on man, you wouldn't consider judo a sport?
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I know what you look like. ::)
What's a real sport? Judo? Badmitton? Golf?
Either way, you're still a moron -- we're not discussing bbing as a sport, we're discussing bbers as athletes. You can't even figure that part of the debate out.
Garreth, THAT'S NOT ME YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT! For the 1,000,000th time, you all do not have my NAME, AGE, HEIGHT, WEIGHT or PHOTO right on here. You all are dumb as shit!!
LMAO at that photo! He looks like a lawn-service worker. Which one of you dub that up somewhere and why did you think that was me?
Unreal. Why in the hell do you think I'd eve BE ON A BODYBUILDING FORUM if I looked like that?
The bottom-line is that a couple fat boys on here are mad that they can't get a picture out of me and tried to do some P.I. work and dug up the wrong name, photo, age, weight, height, vocation...everything. You guys are dumb as SHIT! You could look at the myspace "getbig" group and figure out who the hell I am. You talk about shoddy P.I. work...what a bunch of amatuer morons!
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Yes, bbs are athletes.......they're just C or D grade athletes.
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Garreth, THAT'S NOT ME YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT! For the 1,000,000th time, you all do not have my NAME, AGE, HEIGHT, WEIGHT or PHOTO right on here. You all are dumb as shit!!
LMAO at that photo! He looks like a lawn-service worker. Which one of you dub that up somewhere and why did you think that was me?
Unreal. Why in the hell do you think I'd eve BE ON A BODYBUILDING FORUM if I looked like that?
The bottom-line is that a couple fat boys on here are mad that they can't get a picture out of me and tried to do some P.I. work and dug up the wrong name, photo, age, weight, height, vocation...everything. You guys are dumb as SHIT! You could look at the myspace "getbig" group and figure out who the hell I am. You talk about shoddy P.I. work...what a bunch of amatuer morons!
Great show us how Great you are .....
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"Do you even workout?"......
LMAO!!!!!!
If you guys had ANY CLUE what I look like (i.e. if I posed a pic here for you to mess with) you'd feel like COMPLETE idiots.
Garreth, I played a real sport in college. Bodybuilding is a vain pursuit of self-improvement (or self-abuse if you want to be a fatass all year like Alex). It is an ACTIVITY that involves compulsion to the max, selfishness and vainity. A SPORT? Get real! Look at the way a competition is JUDGED...it's all SUBJECTIVE! There is nothing objective about it. I bodybuild now to give me something to do and because it's amusing to me to have guys who take gear out the wazzoo stare at me with jealousy. I laugh at them, as I laugh at guys who think bodybuilding is a sport.
It's an activity.
Here, here. Great summation.
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Because Lumberjacks and ditchdiggers aren't in competition...they are OCCUPATIONS/ JOBS. They don't get judged, they don't have points awarded, or score goals.
Amazing I have to explain this....
Well then let's talk about people who do compete and are not considered athletes.
Professional Ballroom Dancers.
Just like Pro bodybuilders ::), the competitors:
1. Have to be very skilled and technically precise (can't fake bad dancing).
2. Are very physically fit. I am more than sure they are better "conditioned" than the best pro bbers.
3. Spend countless hours of repetitions (dance steps) to perfect technique and skill level.
4. Have to have a good look, meaning they can't be too fat or chunky. They stay on a pretty good diet throughout the whole year.
5. Use artificial coloring to darken their skin so lights don't "wash" them out.
6. Wear elaborate costumes to enhance their presentations.
7. Compete against other couples to win first place.
These are most of the same criteria for Pro bbers, but they don't considered themselves athletes. They consider themselves as competitive dancers. As do most people.
BTW, besides Melvin Anthony and a few others, I really can't think of a Pro, a caucasian one anyway, that have the "skill" to pose gracefully. A lot of the Ironagers were pretty good (Zane, Corney, even Arnold) but today's Pros are really bad at presentation.
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You're an idiot, Garreth. I've never uploaded a photo or sent out a PM on this stupid-ass, juvenile forum. If any of you had any freaking sense, you could figure out who I am from looking into jakers1021...but none of you are that damn smart.
Morons.
BTW, bodybuilding is as much of a sport as hunting.
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Well then let's talk about people who do compete and are not considered athletes.
Professional Ballroom Dancers.
Just like Pro bodybuilders ::), the competitors:
1. Have to be very skilled and technically precise (can't fake bad dancing).
2. Are very physically fit. I am more than sure they are better "conditioned" than the best pro bbers.
3. Spend countless hours of repetitions (dance steps) to perfect technique and skill level.
4. Have to have a good look, meaning they can't be too fat or chunky. They stay on a pretty good diet throughout the whole year.
5. Use artificial coloring to darken their skin so lights don't "wash" them out.
6. Wear elaborate costumes to enhance their presentations.
7. Compete against other couples to win first place.
These are most of the same criteria for Pro bbers, but they don't considered themselves athletes. They consider themselves as competitive dancers. As do most people.
BTW, besides Melvin Anthony and a few others, I really can't think of a Pro, a caucasian one anyway, that have the "skill" to pose gracefully. A lot of the Ironagers were pretty good (Zane, Corney, even Arnold) but today's Pros are really bad at presentation.
Good point
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I am a female figure competitor/bodybuilder, runner, spin instructor, and bicylcist, and full time and let me tell you, there is more outside of competing on stage than just standing there for 5 minutes and posing. I AM an athlete. I have been an athlete all my life since I was a dancer in the beginning. And the unfortunate thing is, it is not an industry you get into to make money, or retire from. It is something you do along with the other activities in life. and the best thing about it, is if I get injured guess, what I have something else to fall back on. No one should be talking smack about anyone, because nothing is better than anything else. I am not knocking football, cause you know what, it takes a lot to want to be on a field and have someone knock the crap out of you. I am not knocking baseball, cause you know what, they might be standing most the time on the field, but those guys are set for life after retirement. Whether you play tennis, raquetball, basketball, softball, golf, whatever the sport may be, show me the average american who will get off their lazyboy and do what all of us do. because in the end it is about health and taking care of yourself, whether do it "naturally" or you "cycle."
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I am a female figure competitor/bodybuilder, runner, spin instructor, and bicylcist, and full time and let me tell you, there is more outside of competing on stage than just standing there for 5 minutes and posing. I AM an athlete. I have been an athlete all my life since I was a dancer in the beginning. And the unfortunate thing is, it is not an industry you get into to make money, or retire from. It is something you do along with the other activities in life. and the best thing about it, is if I get injured guess, what I have something else to fall back on. No one should be talking smack about anyone, because nothing is better than anything else. I am not knocking football, cause you know what, it takes a lot to want to be on a field and have someone knock the crap out of you. I am not knocking baseball, cause you know what, they might be standing most the time on the field, but those guys are set for life after retirement. Whether you play tennis, raquetball, basketball, softball, golf, whatever the sport may be, show me the average american who will get off their lazyboy and do what all of us do. because in the end it is about health and taking care of yourself, whether do it "naturally" or you "cycle."
Cool ..... but your still not an athlete.
Hope this helps
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you know, I could stoop to your level and be as disrespectful as everyone else is and can be on here,but I have a way to much self respect.
hope that helps you....
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Anybody can BB. Anybody can drive a car. Just because you do either doesn't make you an athlete, or athletic. Not every body can play in the NBA, NFL, PGA, NHL because it requires SKILL, and ATHLETICISM !!!! Pushing weight, regardless of how dedicated to it you are, requires no skill.
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No one should be talking smack about anyone, because nothing is better than anything else. I am not knocking football, cause you know what, it takes a lot to want to be on a field and have someone knock the crap out of you. I am not knocking baseball, cause you know what, they might be standing most the time on the field, but those guys are set for life after retirement. Whether you play tennis, raquetball, basketball, softball, golf, whatever the sport may be, show me the average american who will get off their lazyboy and do what all of us do. because in the end it is about health and taking care of yourself, whether do it "naturally" or you "cycle."
It's not about talking smack. It's defining whether or not Pro or Amatuer bodybuilders are considered athletes. I consider them competitors, like ballroom dancers, Nascar drivers, billiard players, bowlers, golfers etc.
I don't disrespect what they do because I am aware of the sacrafices that are made. I just don't believe that bodybuilders should be considered "athletes".
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How about someone looks it up.
ath·lete /ˈćθlit/ Pronunciation Key - Spelled Pronunciation[ath-leet]
–noun
a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.
Bodybuilding doesn't require physical agility, or stamina, or strength actually.
So could it be a sport? Well, let's look that one up too.
sport /spɔrt, spoʊrt/ Pronunciation Key - Spelled Pronunciation[spawrt, spohrt]
–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
Hmmmm, well, bodybuilding is competative, buuuut then again, that's not obligatory to be a sport now is it. So, does bodybuilding take physical prowess then? To the dictionary one last time...
prow·ess /ˈpraʊɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Spelled Pronunciation[prou-is]
–noun
1. exceptional valor, bravery, or ability, esp. in combat or battle.
Does a bodybuilder need valor? No. Bravery? No. Ability? Well, how do you feel like defining ability. If that includes genetics yes, but the fair majority of bodybuilders are working with crap for genetics, so nope. And Flex Wheeler is the only person to ever refer to bodybuilding as combat or battle.
Then, by definition, bodybuilding is not a sport, and bodybuilders are not athletes.
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most pro bbs call themselves athletes because they want to inflate what they do. goes right along with inflating their lifts, their paychecks, etc etc. just another way to boost up that ego and help all those insecurities.
garreath thinking he is an athlete just shows how deep his insecurities lie when he isnt even close to being a competitive bb at any level. of course, we already knew he had problems by admitting he used synthol when he was still a fat fuck.
heck, most guys get into bodybuilding when they realize they arent good enough to continue in real sports that real athletes excel at.
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most pro bbs call themselves athletes because they want to inflate what they do. goes right along with inflating their lifts, their paychecks, etc etc. just another way to boost up that ego and help all those insecurities.
garreath thinking he is an athlete just shows how deep his insecurities lie when he isnt even close to being a competitive bb at any level. of course, we already knew he had problems by admitting he used synthol when he was still a fat fuck.
heck, most guys get into bodybuilding when they realize they arent good enough to continue in real sports that real athletes excel at.
Concur.
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most pro bbs call themselves athletes because they want to inflate what they do. goes right along with inflating their lifts, their paychecks, etc etc. just another way to boost up that ego and help all those insecurities.
garreath thinking he is an athlete just shows how deep his insecurities lie when he isnt even close to being a competitive bb at any level. of course, we already knew he had problems by admitting he used synthol when he was still a fat fuck.
heck, most guys get into bodybuilding when they realize they arent good enough to continue in real sports that real athletes excel at.
Most losers call bodybuilding a hobby. Well because they are losers.
I could play in the NFL if I want to .....I just do wanted to do what it takes- translation- I am a loser
Any one could be a Pro if I take enough gear- Translation - I am a Dellusional Loser-
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I never played baseball but I could be a Pro if I wanted too............What is your experience before talking. When was your last show? Do you even work out?
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I never played baseball but I could be a Pro if I wanted too............What is your experience before talking. When was your last show? Do you even work out?
- Was one step away from professional baseball...
- Last show was last October (second, open light-heavies)
- "Do you workout"...LMAO!!
FWIW, bodybuilding and hunting being compared (regarding neither being a sport) is a valid comparison.
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- Was one step away from professional baseball...
- Last show was last October (second, open light-heavies)
- "Do you workout"...LMAO!!
FWIW, bodybuilding and hunting being compared (regarding neither being a sport) is a valid comparison.
Hiding behind a gimmick account and lying about one`s accomplishments=sad
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The avg life of of a Football player is 9.5 years less that the avg Expectancy life of the American population. Mike Jordan had several surgerys before even turning 40. Please educate yourself....Athletes are supposed to be Healthy....You are in a Dream world ...........
The average life of a football player is 9.5 years less than the general population. BULLSHIT? Where did you pull that stat from? Your ass? Does it mean high school player? Division one college player? does it mean CFL, NFL? Sandlot ::) As far as having surguries I had several surguries before 40. DUH. Many people do. A root canal is a surgury, fixing a broken nose is s surgury many times. And they are non-athletetics related DUH. Having surguries to repair torn ligaments and a broken leg like Jordan did DOESN'T MEAN YOU AREN'T healthy DUH. Thats a lot different than croaking from anabolic drug abuse DUH!
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So you've defined three completely irrelevant premises of what YOU think an athlete is.
heh, you have to be in a VISA commercial to be an athlete. You're funny.
G man. Just saying bodybuilders are lower on the pecking order than even say- anybody. ;)
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Real athletes do synthol. ::) Valentino is an athlete I guess.
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Again, snow boarding and stuff like that are legit Olympic sports. Ben Weider worked for 50 years to get bodybuilding to be recognized as an Olympic sport to no avail. What does that tell you?
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So I take it that anyone who claims BB is not a sport has never competed.
So that being the case and BB is not a sport, Rather than being on a BB site and praising/supporting your favorite athlete, the group consesus of the posters on this thread is
You all are on the boards to worship male muscle.
This is one of the biggest group self ownings in Getbig history. You guys are as Gay as Organic Vegetables!!! 8)
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Real athletes do synthol. ::) Valentino is an athlete I guess.
Sports in general are not healthy any longer. Football players are known to occur several head injury and trauma post ret.
The use of Drugs is vast to ALL sports and Olympic games. No tests for GH, IGF-1, genetic inhibitors, modern anabolics have half-life of only a few hours in the blood.
It's not because you are unable to achieve something that you must put it down. Do not illude yourself and think that you are just a few injections away form Ronie or Jay. Genetis, Hardwork, Time and drugs are what makes a Pro BB or as a matter of act any other athlete. (Bonds, Giambi, Lance...that list goes on .....)
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So I take it that anyone who claims BB is not a sport has never competed.
So that being the case and BB is not a sport, Rather than being on a BB site and praising/supporting your favorite athlete, the group consesus of the posters on this thread is
You all are on the boards to worship male muscle.
This is one of the biggest group self ownings in Getbig history. You guys are as Gay as Organic Vegetables!!! 8)
You said IT ALL.....just amazing owning
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Again, snow boarding and stuff like that are legit Olympic sports. Ben Weider worked for 50 years to get bodybuilding to be recognized as an Olympic sport to no avail. What does that tell you?
Bodybuilding will never be an Olympic sport.
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Bodybuilding will never be an Olympic sport.
Neither will racketball, whats your point?
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No tests for GH, IGF-1, genetic inhibitors, modern anabolics have half-life of only a few hours in the blood.
What part of "there is testing for GH" don't you get?
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What part of "there is testing for GH" don't you get?
Yes, but that test costs about $5000 a shot as opposed to the test for Anabolic which costs about $250. Let alone they have to test for a specific hormone each time. I've worked in a lab. It's not like CSI where they get a blood test back and say he was on this that and the other. Most times they will test you for Deca as that is common and lasts a long time in your system. If the tested for Dbol or Test suspension, they'd be throwing their money away if the missed the half life window.
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Most losers call bodybuilding a hobby. Well because they are losers.
I could play in the NFL if I want to .....I just do wanted to do what it takes- translation- I am a loser
Any one could be a Pro if I take enough gear- Translation - I am a Dellusional Loser-
Translation---->You are - de·lu·sion·al
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Yes, but that test costs about $5000 a shot as opposed to the test for Anabolic which costs about $250. Let alone they have to test for a specific hormone each time. I've worked in a lab. It's not like CSI where they get a blood test back and say he was on this that and the other. Most times they will test you for Deca as that is common and lasts a long time in your system. If the tested for Dbol or Test suspension, they'd be throwing their money away if the missed the half life window.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!
I agree that the NFL can afford to test for GH. However if the athlete was taking hormones alone, and no GH, It is like throwing a dart at a dartboard blindfolded. You have to setup the Gas Chromatograph to test for the hormones specifically. That is why Victor Conte's lab created steroid went so long as being undetectable.
And also, If the NFL initiated drug testing across the board, everyone would be small and slow.
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc those leagues can afford the testing and when those tests are done, it usually includes GH testing!
We can go on and on about testing. THE FACT is that the science of testing is behind the science of enhancing drugs. How about genetic inhibitors are we going to start doing Biopsy on the athletes since this would be the only way to identify it. Please anyone with minimum undestanding of Biochesmitry Knowns that Test are ONLY to satisfy the General Publics Perception.
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We can go on and on about testing. THE FACT is that the science of testing is behind the science of enhancing drugs. How about genetic inhibitors are we going to start doing Biopsy on the athletes since this would be the only way to identify it. Please anyone with minimum undestanding of Biochesmitry Knowns that Test are ONLY to satisfy the General Publics Perception.
Trust me, a team owner is not going to risk paying hundreds of millions of dollars with multiple year contracts to players only to have them take tests just to appease the publics perception, if that player's health is damaged by drug use, the owner could be out alot of money.........what a rediculous conclusion you came up with!!
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I want to know how is it that Rockclimbing is sport, or Fishing, Deer Hunting (yeah, a guy with a gun and a deer running away) or Golfm where one wears clean khakis and polo shirts. Yea to some degree thathese require skill. But the above listing "Sports" are what are ancestors used to do to survive.
I view BBing more like a human art contest. Instead how good one can paint, it's how well can one paint on the muscle. Like Flex is a work by Da Vinci and Ruhl is some sort of twisted abstract from Dali. The skill is how well one can present perfection....but now it is how far can one push the envelope
A Combo of skill and an artist's eye makes bbing unique.
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Most losers call bodybuilding a hobby. Well because they are losers.
I could play in the NFL if I want to .....I just do wanted to do what it takes- translation- I am a loser
Any one could be a Pro if I take enough gear- Translation - I am a Dellusional Loser-
epic insecurities because your entire being revolves around putting needles in your body and picking up iron plates.
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epic insecurities because your entire being revolves around putting needles in your body and picking up iron plates.
Sure keep believing that. You are the loser to come to a BB board and say something like that. If you don't like BB great I respect you. But What the FUCK are you doing here then. Do you enjoy MUSCULAR MEN? Be a Men and post your pictures. I bet you look like a nerd chicken. I would feel like that same way you do if I look like that ....I would be angry with life.
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Trust me, a team owner is not going to risk paying hundreds of millions of dollars with multiple year contracts to players only to have them take tests just to appease the publics perception, if that player's health is damaged by drug use, the owner could be out alot of money.........what a rediculous conclusion you came up with!!
OK Mr Intenseone. You just open my eyes to reality. IT is no drugs in MLB or any other sport. I am so sorry I ofend your heros -Bonds, Giambi, McGwire,Sosa,Caminiti....( they are some of the best MLB players just think the ones that don't have that much skills and are using) probably nothing !!!...thanks for opening my eyes. Curt Schilling reported to the USA News at least 50% of players on MLB use Steroids. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Please send him a letter and let him Know how ignorant you are about science and sports.
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Sure keep believing that. You are the loser to come to a BB board and say something like that. If you don't like BB great I respect you. But What the FUCK are you doing here then. Do you enjoy MUSCULAR MEN? Be a Men and post your pictures. I bet you look like a nerd chicken. I would feel like that same way you do if I look like that ....I would be angry with life.
a person can follow bodybuilding AND STILL realize that bodybuilding is not a sport and its competitors are not athletes. just like a person can push themselves in the gym, eat healthy, build a very nice physique, AND STILL have no desire to compete in bodybuilding due to what is required. like i said, most guys that really get into bodybuilding are guys that realized they werent good enough to continue in real sports with real athletes. off the top of my head, this incluldes, coleman, ray, cormier, heath, etc. bodybuilding is not a sport and bodybuilders are not athletes. the only people that would try to claim such a thing are those guys that werent good enough to make it in a real sport but still need to define themselves as an "athlete" for their ego and insecurities. if you arent even a pro bb, i dont know how in the heck you can even begin to argue you are an athlete.
here is your nerd chicken. although im not sure how my appearance, good or bad, is relative to my opinion.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h200/joepoker/Jon3.jpg)
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Coleman could be a world class powerlifter. Jonnie Jackson is a World Class powerlifter.( Arnold Classic winner). Several Olympic lifters and Strongmen where bodybuilders before. After no doing well as bodybuilders they became powerlifters or Strongmen. Exemples for you....Odd Haugen, Andy Bolton (1003lb deadlift).....
Please educate yourself
I really hope that it you because it would be pretty sad if you posting someone else's pictures. When was your last show?
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If you have not compete before you really have no place to state your opinion in a negative way. It like me saying that I could make that shot or hit the ball without never ever playing the game. You don't need to take drugs to compete try some Natural shows. Check out how much determination, effort,discipline,conditining is required and then talk.
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I want to know how is it that Rockclimbing is sport, or Fishing, Deer Hunting (yeah, a guy with a gun and a deer running away) or Golfm where one wears clean khakis and polo shirts. Yea to some degree thathese require skill. But the above listing "Sports" are what are ancestors used to do to survive.
I view BBing more like a human art contest. Instead how good one can paint, it's how well can one paint on the muscle. Like Flex is a work by Da Vinci and Ruhl is some sort of twisted abstract from Dali. The skill is how well one can present perfection....but now it is how far can one push the envelope
A Combo of skill and an artist's eye makes bbing unique.
Exactly. These fools that have NEVER BEEN IN shape know no different. They will hate on someone like me that works out 15-17 hours a week (counting cardio) year-round but will look in the mirror and think to themselves, "Damn I'm fat....and kind of big...I'll take the big with the fat"....
It's just SAD to read these boards sometimes. Fools like Heckler can't figure out who someone like me (although I'm a 1 in 10,000 specimen) are, and fools like Alex23 think they will do a show at 220 when they are 250 with 60 POUNDS of fat on them. Their are a TON of flat out delusional bastards on these boards. Just completely out of touch with reality.
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Coleman could be a world class powerlifter. Jonnie Jackson is a World Class powerlifter.( Arnold Classic winner). Several Olympic lifters and Strongmen where bodybuilders before. After no doing well as bodybuilders they became powerlifters or Strongmen. Exemples for you....Odd Haugen, Andy Bolton (1003lb deadlift).....
Please educate yourself
I really hope that it you because it would be pretty sad if you posting someone else's pictures. When was your last show?
Odd played professional football before that. Cool guy to work for.
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One of the most inspirational athletes ever. Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilder, Pro Football....but like all these really informed people that say that bodybuilder are not athletes....what can I say???
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One of the most inspirational athletes ever. Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilder, Pro Football....but like all these really informed people that say that bodybuilder are not athletes....what can I say???
keep living in fantasy land. ive never heard of the guy, but he was an athlete because he was in pro football and strongmen, bodybuilding was an easy activity spun off of the requirements of the other two.
todays bodybuilders are in bodybuilding because THEY COULDNT MAKE IT IN A REAL SPORT. there are plenty of great potential bodybuilders in the nfl, but they arent stupid enough to go into bodybuilding. phil heath would never be in bodybuilding if he could have made the nba. shawn ray would never have went to bodybuilding if he could have been in the nfl.
just because someone goes from a real sport to bodybuilding doesnt make bodybuilding a sport or every other bodybuilder an athlete. but if a bodybuilder could go to a real professional sport, then he would be an athlete. only problem is, we all know that isnt happening.
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OK Mr Intenseone. You just open my eyes to reality. IT is no drugs in MLB or any other sport. I am so sorry I ofend your heros -Bonds, Giambi, McGwire,Sosa,Caminiti....( they are some of the best MLB players just think the ones that don't have that much skills and are using) probably nothing !!!...thanks for opening my eyes. Curt Schilling reported to the USA News at least 50% of players on MLB use Steroids. He doesn't know what he is talking about. Please send him a letter and let him Know how ignorant you are about science and sports.
Your posts make no sense................I'll beat Schillings claims and say at least 70-80% of players are on gear, where did you get the idea that i said the players were not using? Shit, they were using when I was playing, I'm just saying they are using the doses you think they are, like I said, I've been on both sides as a ball player and competitive bodybuilder and unless you know how the MLB works you're the ignorant one!
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it's a sport
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it's a sport
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I'd just like someone from this thread to try a contest diet, go through the 10-12 weeks, get onstage and let some judges look at them. I'm sure that if they went through the whole ordeal and won their weight class, and we did'nt give them the nod as being an athelete they'd be pretty pissed especially If they won the whole show.
Mr. I as a former competitor, you claim that BB is not a sport. Is this because you are bitter about your placings?
Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions. Even if they feel that BB is not a sport. My opinion is (as I have stated previously):
If BB is not a sport (which seems to be the group consensus of the posters on this thread), Then why are you all posting on a BB board? Rather than being on a BB site and praising/supporting your favorite "athlete", Your bashing of BB on a BB website shouts:
You all are on the boards to worship male muscle.
It's even worse if you're married with kids. As this may be you dabbling with crossing the line into homosexuality. And like I said earlier "This is one of the biggest group self ownings in Getbig history."
You guys are gayer than Richard Simmons dancing to Elton John.
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Of course most people who post here have an interest in bodybuilding or they probably wouldn't be here unless they are just here to create chaos and get a kick out of just trying to piss people off. But to have an opinion of whether or not Pro bbers are athletes, doesn't mean we disrespect what they do. I did a few local contests in my early 20's, during mid 80's, and trying to eat right, stay on that diet while working 10+ hours a day, and still trying to make it to the gym was VERY HARD.
But Pro bbers are not athletes. They are great competitors. Some may have come from an "athletic" background, but that doesn't make bodybuilders athletes.
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Coleman could be a world class powerlifter. Jonnie Jackson is a World Class powerlifter.( Arnold Classic winner). Several Olympic lifters and Strongmen where bodybuilders before. After no doing well as bodybuilders they became powerlifters or Strongmen. Exemples for you....Odd Haugen, Andy Bolton (1003lb deadlift).....
Please educate yourself
I really hope that it you because it would be pretty sad if you posting someone else's pictures. When was your last show?
Sure, some bbers are athletic. But athletism IS NOT a prerequisite to being a top bodybuilder. One would even say that bodybuilding at the highest level makes you UNathletic.
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Would you classify a race car driver as an athlete? Those fucks do nothing but sit down and drive while taking orders from the crew pit. No training required other then being able to control your bladder for 3-4 hours.
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orly?
You ever work out with a top bodybuilder?
No? Ok, shut up then.
C'MON, gimme a break. Kieth Richards could beat the entire Olympia lineup up a flight of stairs.
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orly?
You ever actually walk up a flight of stairs with anyone from the Olympia lineup?
No? Ok, shut up then.
No, but I've posed without the aid of Oxygen.
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No, but I've posed without the aid of Oxygen.
I bet you have...!
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I'd just like someone from this thread to try a contest diet, go through the 10-12 weeks, get onstage and let some judges look at them. I'm sure that if they went through the whole ordeal and won their weight class, and we did'nt give them the nod as being an athelete they'd be pretty pissed especially If they won the whole show.
Mr. I as a former competitor, you claim that BB is not a sport. Is this because you are bitter about your placings?
Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions. Even if they feel that BB is not a sport. My opinion is (as I have stated previously):
If BB is not a sport (which seems to be the group consensus of the posters on this thread), Then why are you all posting on a BB board? Rather than being on a BB site and praising/supporting your favorite "athlete", Your bashing of BB on a BB website shouts:
You all are on the boards to worship male muscle.
It's even worse if you're married with kids. As this may be you dabbling with crossing the line into homosexuality. And like I said earlier "This is one of the biggest group self ownings in Getbig history."
You guys are gayer than Richard Simmons dancing to Elton John.
LOL...I'm not bitter about anything, I have either won or placed high in all my shows, I've said for the last 25+ years that bodybuilding is not a sport and there's really nothing athletic about it, the things you described above is discipline, I have quite a few clients that are not bodybuilders who train and diet just as hard (just not the depletion part which is the hardest part), but the difference between my clients and competing bodybuilders, is that they do it for their health and not a trophy.
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Neither will racketball, whats your point?
That bodybuilding doesn't even merit being an Olympic sport while skateboarding, and snowboarding are.
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::) As if many other Olympic (or other, triathlete, marathon, etc.) athletes haven't used such facilities.
They don't need pure oxygen after climbing a flight of stairs.
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not considered an athlete either... Aliamani
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All one needs to be Mr. Olympia is a body that is subjectively better looking than the rest. Athletic ability is not needed for this.
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That bodybuilding doesn't even merit being an Olympic sport while skateboarding, and snowboarding are.
::) So being in the olympics classifies an activity as a sport.....OK, when was the last time you saw bowling in the olympics? That shit is on ESPN all the time. Last time I checked that's a sports channel. I think I saw the arnold on there too. Someones got to fire the program director cause they're putting non sports on a sporting network.
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::) So being in the olympics classifies an activity as a sport.....OK, when was the last time you saw bowling in the olympics? That shit is on ESPN all the time. Last time I checked that's a sports channel. I think I saw the arnold on there too. Someones got to fire the program director cause they're putting non sports on a sporting network.
There are many venues of competition that are considered sports, but that doesn't mean the people who compete in them are athletes.