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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on April 30, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
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Pro BBing has been pulled from the Asian games.
Bob Chic spilling it on the radio show.
Milos claims to have proof of this impropriety.
Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.
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Bob C on the radio said that it was Milos' fault for bodybuilding being dropped in the Asian games because of the issue was raised of judging biased? I am not familier with this? What exactly happened and can it really be that Milos is responsible for this act, and can he be suspended from the IFBB for doing this???
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The good news is that the Asian games will still be keeping squash, bowling, and dragon boat racing.
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The good news is that the Asian games will still be keeping squash, bowling, and dragon boat racing.
ITS NOT THE ASIAN GAMES IF DRAGON BOAT RACING IS NOT ON! ::)
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Clear your schedule and read this: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=144740.0
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the judges really dont reward 16 inch arms full of oil like they should
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The bodybuilder that trained with Milos should've won, but apparently an inferior bodybuilder that Paul Chua liked won instead and Milos was raging.
What an outrage!
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Milos claims to have proof.
I would think that an organization would welcome evidence of any wrongdoing so that they could address judging integrity failures to keep the sport as pure and untarnished as possible.
If he indeed has proof, it could only improve the sport by helping to make sure the best man wins.
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wow i guess it had to be milos
because it could have never been the rampant drug in the ifbb that caused this to happen
bench
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Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.
Why, did he compete in the PDI? ::)
Fuck the IFBB and their "suspensions". What is this, grade school?
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Its about time somewhat called the IFBB out on their crooked bullshit. The little weasels taking potshots at MS make me raff.
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someone should photo shop milos with a string of spaghetti coming out of each shoulder
cause lord know he never got that big with weight training and synthol
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someone should photo shop milos with a string of spaghetti coming out of each shoulder
cause lord know he never got that big with weight training and synthol
Yeah, and you're huge. ::) Didn't you tell the world you don't even train?
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my arms reached 17.75 naturally ... i doubt milos was much bigger with juice + gh + synthol
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my arms reached 17.75 naturally ... i doubt milos was much bigger with juice + gh + synthol
Flexed? RElaxed? Pumped? Cold? BS?
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flexed and pumped at a bodyweight of 207 ... they are 15.5 now:
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Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.
what is there to be suspended from? Milos hasn't competed in 4 years.
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my arms reached 17.75 naturally ... i doubt milos was much bigger with juice + gh + synthol
As Bob C. says: It's not how much you lift, but how much you LOOK like you lift.
You barely look like you can lift your own arms. :-\
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Milos is a joke. Dude needs to learn to control his anger.
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As Bob C. says: It's not how much you lift, but how much you LOOK like you lift.
You barely look like you can lift your own arms. :-\
How many shows have milos won?
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The good news is that 240 will start another 8 threads about the findings of this investigation.
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my arms reached 17.75 naturally ... i doubt milos was much bigger with juice + gh + synthol
Read the title of the topic, ....... nobody wants to know about you and your arms
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flexed and pumped at a bodyweight of 207 ... they are 15.5 now
Look more like 14's, but we'll take your word for it. :-\
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The good news is that 240 will start another 8 threads about the findings of this investigation.
I blame bush
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As Bob C. says: It's not how much you lift, but how much you LOOK like you lift.
You barely look like you can lift your own arms. :-\
as jimmy says its not how you look but how hard you can hit faggy bodybuilders :D
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Are you sure it wasnt dropped because BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT, IT IS A VARIETY OF FETISH PORN?
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lol, bob chic is just jealous because milos has a better looking wife
Somebody needs to post that picture of you with your arms crossed.
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I have an eye for these things.
You shouldnt have a eye for those things because you are married. ???
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Have nothing to do whit this ??? New Straits Times - Persekutuan,Malaysia
Bodybuilding: NSC in hot water over Sarcev
19 Dec 2006
Christopher Raj
MALAYSIA’S reputation and image has been tarnished because a sloppy National Sports Council (NSC) failed to check on body-building coach Milos Sarcev’s record before recommending him to the Malaysia Body Building Federation.
Apparently, Sarcev was charged for conspiracy to possess steroids in the United States two years ago.
Sarcev, who is from what was Yugoslavia, was recommended to coach Sazali Samad and Liaw Teck Leong for the just concluded Asian Games in Doha, Qatar.
The MBBF has also been told to explain why Sarcev was appointed as he has been charged in the US.
Asian Body Building Federation (ABBF) secretary-general Datuk Paul Chua yesterday confirmed that a report has been lodged with the International Body Building Federation stating its displeasure on Sarcev’s appointment by Malaysia and the coach’s outburst in Doha following Sazali’s defeat in the men’s 65kg category.
However, MBBF president Datuk Gan Boon Leong said the MBBF had no part in Sarcev’s appointment or negotiations to coach Sazali and Teck Leong.
In fact, the MBBF had distanced itself from Sarcev when he made that outburst (in Doha), but more importantly, confirmed the association was not consulted regarding his appointment.
After Sazali’s controversial defeat to Mohammed Salem Abdullah Zahmi of the United Arab Emirates in Doha, Sarcev was quoted in a local daily on Dec 9 as saying: "I am really annoyed with the judging and I will make an official complaint to the WBBF (World Body Building Federation) asking that ABBF secretary-general Paul (Chua) be removed for fixing the competitions."
According to an article in the Sioux City Journal dated Nov 29, 2005, Sarcev and another bodybuilder, Denis Tyron James, were fined US$10,000 (RM37,000) and US$1,000 (RM3,700) respectively after each had pleaded guilty to conspiracy to possess anabolic steroids, a misdemeanour, at the US Federal Court in Iowa City. "Who is Milos to speak on behalf of MBBF? We have never met him and we don’t know him. It was NSC that appointed him," said an irate Boon Leong.
"I am very angry and disappointed with NSC. We were not consulted about Milos at all. We appointed Patrick Chin as the team manager for Doha, but NSC dropped him, why? No explanation was given."
When contacted yesterday, Chua said: "The matter (Sarcev’s outburst) has been reported to the IBBF and definitely, action will be taken against Sarcev," said Chua who is in Kuala Lumpur for a meeting.
"We (ABBF) are also disappointed that MBBF did not carry out a thorough check before appointing Sarcev and asked for an explanation."
NSC deputy director-general Datuk Zolkples Embong said Sarcev was recommended by its Canadian conditioning consultant Joseph Dolcetti.
"Sarcev did mention the case but claimed he was cleared," said Zolkples.
"On the issue of dropping Patrick, this was done because the OCM only allows one official to represent the body builders. Since (Ahmad) Zawawi is attached to the sports science team, I felt it will be good for him to follow Milos.
"I would also like to emphasise that officials from MBBF were present at every working committee meeting that I chaired. As such, they were fully aware of what was happening
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Guy on left was better ::) :P than Sazali (on the right)
You be the judge
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How many shows have milos won?
More than both of us.....
Jimmy- how hard can you actually hit? ::)
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Bob C on the radio said that it was Milos' fault for bodybuilding being dropped in the Asian games because of the issue was raised of judging biased? I am not familier with this? What exactly happened and can it really be that Milos is responsible for this act, and can he be suspended from the IFBB for doing this???
F UC K HOPE MILOS DOSENT RAISE THAT POINT HERE....ALL IFBB SHOWS WOULD BE DROPPED :)
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The "winner" was also a great poser ::)
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The real winner should be Sazali :D
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what is there to be suspended from? Milos hasn't competed in 4 years.
Exactly, what are they going to do not let him purchase an IFBB shirt. And is being suspended from the IFBB a bad thing
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Milos will be able to answer that when he realizes that he'll be working with you in the PDI :-*
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Milos will be able to answer that when he realizes that he'll be working with you in the PDI :-*
AND WHERE ARE YOU WORKING AGAIN.............?????????????????
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AND WHERE ARE YOU WORKING AGAIN.............?????????????????
Here:
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shawn did alot of work on sasha ... and to be sure this was sasha before he removed his penis:
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Milos will be able to answer that when he realizes that he'll be working with you in the PDI :-*
Shawn this war you have going with Milos is getting old and tired. Just relax!
Shawn, If you were truly happy and at peace with yourself, you would not be on the boards running down and hating everyone.
You are a deeply religious man Shawn. You have a wife and child that loves you. Why do you need to get validation from a moronic message board?
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as jimmy says its not how you look but how hard you can hit faggy bodybuilders :D
Why do you insist with this bullshit tuff guy persona? We all saw how 'ruff' you were with Special Ed on that video. Stop pretending to be what you aren't.
You couldn't hit your momma on her pj's upon waking up at the morning, after she gave a good scratch on her ass.
Hope this helps.
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i have said repeatedly im not tough dipshit ... but i do hit hard :)
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Sazali was better than the guy on the left.
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Shawn you are a devout Christian. You speak often of your strong faith and belief in the almighty. You prey daily with your beatuful wife and daughter. You are valued member of your congregation. One would be lead to believe that you are a very spiritual and peaceful church goer.
However, the ranting and raving you do on the message boards would suggest otherwise.
Shawn, i put it on the record, and question your faith. Are you really this wholesome Christian. Or is just another one of your charades?
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i have said repeatedly im not tough dipshit ... but i do hit hard :)
That means nothing, buttmunch. You think you hit hard.....that will accomplish you nothing until you cross paths with the wrong fucker that will knock you out so cold that you won't even know what happened to you.
It's not how hard you hit, but how fast you throw the first blow. ;)
And by the way, you are a real loser.
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And by the way, you are a real loser.
and you are obsesswith a real loser, while hiding behind your keyboard like a little girl
what does that make you?
ive been knocked out on more than on occasion ... no big deal
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Shawn you are living with this moral dilemma. Trying to resolve Christian values along a narcissistic circus of drug abuse and sexual abomination.
Your guilt must be of biblical proportions Shawn! i hope you find peace.
God bless.
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and you are obsesswith a real loser, while hiding behind your keyboard like a little girl
what does that make you?
ive been knocked out on more than on occasion ... no big deal
Hidding behind a computer????? You gotta be kidding me....
Who's the one who talks about hitting hard and the other famous quote "I'm small but i still could kick your ass" to other members of this board form the warmness and safety of his mom's basement, and at his only chance to prove how 'manly' he is - Special Ed's video - he did NOTHING????
Surely it wasn't me.......'tuff guy'.... ::)
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Hidding behind a computer????? You gotta be kidding me....
Who's the one who talks about hitting hard and the other famous quote "I'm small but i still could kick your ass" to other members of this board form the warmness and safety of his mom's basement, and at his only chance to prove how 'manly' he is - Special Ed's video - he did NOTHING????
Surely it wasn't me.......'tuff guy'.... ::)
ed called me small and i said i could still kick his ass
my name face and location are known ... yours are not
hense you are a punk pussy bitch and i am still the man, despite living in mommas basement :)
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Shawn people do not question or knock your deep commitment to faith. Maybe that should be a lesson to you.
Surely, in your bible readings you have come across the phrase; '' turn the other cheek''
I hope you find peace Shawn. Continue to explore your faith and do not keep being tempted by the devil.
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ed called me small and i said i could still kick his ass
my name face and location are known ... yours are not
hense you are a punk pussy bitch and i am still the man, despite living in mommas basement :)
Wow....what an achievement....you think Ed backed up from you? You are really tuff......
VP, you da man......but now it's time to go clean the basement..mom's getting ever so pissed...
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more words from an anonymous bitch :)
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Shawn you are in turmoil.
Faith and the lord are your servants. However, you continue to deride and mock others.
What does your religion say about that Shawn?
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more words from an anonymous bitch :)
Wrong, wrong, wrong. You just dont get it. Not anonymous at all. In fact, i am endeavouring to make Shawn accountable for his actions. He is denial. He uses his religion and strong Christian values as a cloak.
Not hating on you vikingpower at all. You come across as a rational, mature, calm and likeable person.
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Milos is obviously very passionate about the sport of bodybuilding and the people he works with.
unlike shawn, who has only ever been very passionate about himself.
think about it people, if your passion was bodybuilding (Milos has competed in what, about a million shows) and you had trained, dieted and sacrificed your ass off to compete, wouldn't you want someone like Milos in your corner with the guts to back you when you got ripped off?
or maybe you'd like Shawn?
yeah, like that would happen. Shawn wouldn't even be in your corner. he'd be back at home fucking your woman and making up stories about you over coffee with the feds.
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Milos is bodybuilding-royalty. He is one of the untouchables. Milos is adored across the planet by men and woman alike. Shawn on the other hand, has many character flaws. He is rude, arrogant and obnoxious.
Shawn is exploring his faith though. He is deeply religious and i hope that he does find internal peace. I think we should build support for this christian brother, not hate on him! God bless you Shawn!
As for Milos, he just needs to keep doing what he is doing.
Peace to all.....please stop the hatred!
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. You just dont get it. Not anonymous at all. In fact, i am endeavouring to make Shawn accountable for his actions. He is denial. He uses his religion and strong Christian values as a cloak.
Not hating on you vikingpower at all. You come across as a rational, mature, calm and likeable person.
clearly i was talking to chris
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Pro BBing has been pulled from the Asian games.
Bob Chic spilling it on the radio show.
Milos claims to have proof of this impropriety.
Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.
Read this :
According to Bernama.com
Originally posted By Jaiarajo Letchumanan
KUALA LUMPUR, April 23 (Bernama) -- Bodybuilding has been dropped from the 16th Asian Games to be hosted by Guangzhou City, China in 2010 from Nov 12 to Nov 27.
Bodybuilding, which was included in the Doha Asian Games, was missing from the 41 sports endorsed by the Olympic Council of Asia (OCA) during the 26th OCA General Assembly held in Kuwait City on April 16-17.
The 41 sports approved for the Games programme to be held in a Chinese city for the second time since the inception of the Games, included 28 Olympic sports and 13 recognised by the Olympic Council of Asia (OCA).
Beijing hosted the 11th edition in 1990.
Bodybuilding was drawn into much controversy during the Doha Games when questions of judging were raised by a number of countries including Malaysia after Sazali Samad, winner of the bantamweight "Mr Universe" title at the World Bodybuilding championships in the Czech Republic a month before the Asian Games was awarded second place.
Olympic Council of Malaysia (OCM) secretary Datuk Sieh Kok Chi said the host nation did not include bodybuilding among the non-Olympic sports in the list that was put forward for OCA approval.
"Though bodybuilding was not included, we are happy that tenpin bowling, sepaktakraw, squash and wushu where Malaysia has a good chance of winning medals, has been included," Kok Chi told Bernama when contacted today.
The 28 Olympic sports included are: Aquatics, Archery, Athletics, Badminton, Baseball, Basketball, Boxing, Canoeing & Kayaking, Cycling, Equestrian, Fencing, Football, Gymnastics, Handball, Hockey, Judo, Modern Pentathlon, Rowing, Sailing, Shooting, Softball, Table Tennis, Taekwondo, Tennis, Triathlon, Volleyball, Weightlifting, Wrestling.
The 13 OCA recognised sports are: Tenpin Bowling, Cue Sports, Dance Sports, Dragon Boat, Golf, Kabaddi, Karate, Chess, Rugby, Sepaktakraw, Squash, Wushu, Cricket.
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I find it amazing that people would think Milos all by himself got BB yanked from a major sporting event. Thats hilarious. It's obvious they were thinking about yanking BB for awhile and decided now was the time. Maybe whatever Milos did was the last straw or whatever but it was evident they didn't want BB part of the games. Can you blame them.
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HAnk Wood = Goldenprince ??? ???
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Yes, it was evident they didn't want bodybuilding part of their games. However, it is no reason to dredge up Milos' past. We have all made mistakes. Just let it be for Christ sake.
Milos is not affected at all by this situation, believe me. I can imagine he would find it all very funny indeed.
And also, good luck with your up-coming seminar Milos. The interest in it is phenomenal.
Peace.
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I find it amazing that people would think Milos all by himself got BB yanked from a major sporting event. Thats hilarious. It's obvious they were thinking about yanking BB for awhile and decided now was the time. Maybe whatever Milos did was the last straw or whatever but it was evident they didn't want BB part of the games. Can you blame them.
Exactly. Do people honestly think a bunch of Asian countries are going to drop bodybuilding just because of what a foreigner said? ::) It would be more likely they would say lets prove him wrong that we aren't a bunch of corrupt judges and officials. People need to get their heads out of their holes and realised that bodybuilding will NEVER be in the Olympic games no matter what Uncle Joe and Auntie Ben say.
Now if I am wrong, Milos is easily one of the most influential voices in bodybuilding and sport, just one word from him and bodybuilding is out of the world games. With skills like that he should team up with Bono, third world debt and world hunger would be a thing of the past within a year.
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Exactly. Do people honestly think a bunch of Asian countries are going to drop bodybuilding just because of what a foreigner said? ::) It would be more likely they would say lets prove him wrong that we aren't a bunch of corrupt judges and officials. People need to get their heads out of their holes and realised that bodybuilding will NEVER be in the Olympic games no matter what Uncle Joe and Auntie Ben say.
Now if I am wrong, Milos is easily one of the most influential voices in bodybuilding and sport, just one word from him and bodybuilding is out of the world games. With skills like that he should team up with Bono, third world debt and world hunger would be a thing of the past within a year.
Great stuff. Good Post. Keep it up!
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Guys trust me this Hank Wood is just playing you all!!! Only a few weeks ago he was saying some stuff about Milos that is as disrespectful as it gets!!! Than he did to me and than to a few others and than the next weeks he is all nice to the very same people that he has shit on!!!! He is now trying to show Milos he cares but is really trying to cause more trouble!! here is backing Milos and and talking smack to Shawn! next week, someone else will be his best friend who he just shit on!!! Guys trust me!!! If you have seen i tell like it is on here and never talk crap!! Don't trust this Jerk!!!!! don't even respond to his crap!!! if anything just expose him for what he is!!! A poor excuse for human being who wishes he could get out of the 125lb club!!!
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What people don't realize is that Paul Chua has been running bodybuilding in Asia for decades. It took a brave person to speak up. I think the photos support Milos' charge re fixing a contest. That really is unacceptable behaviour of any official. Period, end of story. Paul should stand down. We don't need people who show favourtism in this sport. Milos is again innocent of all charges.
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He claims to have proof only on this board, but failed to present any hard evidence during his hearing yesterday when ask repeatedly to Tony and Jim to show them something. All Milos could do is say this is what I believe happened. Milos' problem is that for many years he has ran his mouth without facing the music. He pushed it to far this time and will now pay the price. But as many of us know the IFBB is the least of his problems. :-[
Well since im not one of the many, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence??
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You are probably the most bitter 'guy' on Getbig. Instead of all the hate, why don't you channel your energy into something more constructive? Maybe one day you will make shift supervisor in Mcdonalds. You can do it.
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Be careful, UK, bubba is an "insider" who can "step on stage" at any show and just walk up to any bodybuilder he wants.
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Be careful, UK, bubba is an "insider" who can "step on stage" at any show and just walk up to any bodybuilder he wants.
Ha ha ha, i think hes actually Joe Weider. Or maybe Weider's butler.
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One word from him and our IP's might be banned here, too.
He has that kind of pull.
PPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT
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I dont think Milos would care either way to tell you the truth.
Milos is a very successful man. A little glitch on the radar is certainly nothing for him to be concerned about.
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Be careful, UK, bubba is an "insider" who can "step on stage" at any show and just walk up to any bodybuilder he wants.
He puts out oil fires, works for the DEA and has a condo in Hawaii, he also knows all the "big gun" in the IFBB, what a guy ::)
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The words success and Milos fit very well together. Run him down all you want, it is like water off a duck's back.
There are so many jealous haters. Just live and let live!
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Guys trust me this Hank Wood is just playing you all!!! Only a few weeks ago he was saying some stuff about Milos that is as disrespectful as it gets!!! Than he did to me and than to a few others and than the next weeks he is all nice to the very same people that he has shit on!!!! He is now trying to show Milos he cares but is really trying to cause more trouble!! here is backing Milos and and talking smack to Shawn! next week, someone else will be his best friend who he just shit on!!! Guys trust me!!! If you have seen i tell like it is on here and never talk crap!! Don't trust this Jerk!!!!! don't even respond to his crap!!! if anything just expose him for what he is!!! A poor excuse for human being who wishes he could get out of the 125lb club!!!
Hey Luke, do you know who KP Ourama is? He is a IFBB Pro judge. I read an Arnold Classic article he wrote for a Swedish mag where he said, "Luke has no muscle, no shape, no conditioning, no chance. Give up the dream Luke!". What do you think of that? He was really dissing you.
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Hey Luke, do you know who KP Ourama is? He is a IFBB Pro judge. I read an Arnold Classic article he wrote for a Swedish mag where he said, "Luke has no muscle, no shape, no conditioning, no chance. Give up the dream Luke!". What do you think of that? He was really dissing you.
I think its great!!! im getting exposure in Sweden!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Milos will do anything that he god damn wants to do!
Good luck with the seminar, i hear it is going to be incredibly popular.
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Hey Luke, do you know who KP Ourama is? He is a IFBB Pro judge. I read an Arnold Classic article he wrote for a Swedish mag where he said, "Luke has no muscle, no shape, no conditioning, no chance. Give up the dream Luke!". What do you think of that? He was really dissing you.
KP Ourama must be a real beast ::)
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Most Asian bodybuilders choose not to talk, not to ask questions, and just TRAIN !.
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Guys trust me this Hank Wood is just playing you all!!! Only a few weeks ago he was saying some stuff about Milos that is as disrespectful as it gets!!! Than he did to me and than to a few others and than the next weeks he is all nice to the very same people that he has shit on!!!! He is now trying to show Milos he cares but is really trying to cause more trouble!! here is backing Milos and and talking smack to Shawn! next week, someone else will be his best friend who he just shit on!!! Guys trust me!!! If you have seen i tell like it is on here and never talk crap!! Don't trust this Jerk!!!!! don't even respond to his crap!!! if anything just expose him for what he is!!! A poor excuse for human being who wishes he could get out of the 125lb club!!!
and if you had taken my advices and learned how to pwn people on the internet you could fight back .... this is the new beach and you spitting out sand!
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Shawn people do not question or knock your deep commitment to faith. Maybe that should be a lesson to you.
Surely, in your bible readings you have come across the phrase; '' turn the other cheek''
I hope you find peace Shawn. Continue to explore your faith and do not keep being tempted by the devil.
We don't knock it cause we all know he's full of shit. He figures all the shit he has done in the past gets erased by telling everyone he is a born again Christian. Most of us know better. It's a running joke.
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He claims to have proof only on this board, but failed to present any hard evidence during his hearing yesterday when ask repeatedly to Tony and Jim to show them something. All Milos could do is say this is what I believe happened. Milos' problem is that for many years he has ran his mouth without facing the music. He pushed it to far this time and will now pay the price. But as many of us know the IFBB is the least of his problems. :-[
My expert...again ;).
Texasbubba - as we have realized you have no guts to INTRODUCE yourself (any reasons for that? Can't be that you are afraid...No, I didn't think so...Anyway...)
You were waiting by the phone to talk to Jim or Tony?
Why didn't you join conversation?
After all - it was a CONFERENCE CALL...(I was almost late as I was posting here on Getbig ;D)...
But, as I am little confused...can you tell me which problems are coming my way...as I sure don't see any...
My problems are usually: how to do 50 hours of work in 24 hours time...or where should I go when I suppose to be in 5 different places at the same time...
Other than that - is just another day in the office (doing EXACTLY what I love the most...and let me tell you guys: if you do what you love - your life will be nothing but PLEASURE)...
So, Texasbubba - are we on for Thursday?
And can you let me know what's coming my way...I would sure love to be prepared ;).
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IRS...DEA. You probably aren't helping him with the GHB and Nubian usuage. By the way the next time you step on stage I will introduce myself. I look forward to seeing you place in the bottom five. Go Luke Wood. You are not the man, just another wanna be. If you are smart you will join Milos over in the PDI as that is your only opportunity to break the top five assuming you can beat Jack London. Based upon what I saw at the Arnold you couldn't beat Jack on his worst day.
IRS...DEA...no kidding...
I think we all know what happened with the DEA...and if the IRS is interested - they'll get everything they ever ask for.
With all your assumptions - I live CRYSTAL CLEAR life and stand behind everything I say or do...so if the Government needs to check me out (and I do know that after DEA it is possible to run into the IRS...just because...so I am prepared).
Again - it looks like Shawn and you (something tells me it could be the same person ::)) can prepare the celebration - just as much as he was waiting for a day I will go to prison for a loooooooooong time (as he said I would)...but...I have different plans.
So guys, enjoy your jealous misery...and continue to hope your neighbors house will burn but not yours...
I will look for my neighboor's wellbeing and bring him some gifts - every day of my life...
After all we all have our priorities...Don't we?
And as far as you Luke - why don't you ask texas why he didn't introduce himself already ::)...and where exactly was he during the Arnold?
With you on the stage (one of selectively invited top IFBB pros to grace the stage of the contest that Arnold himself is promoting) or in the Audience in wannabe section of people who attend every show...but only as a spectators...as they didn't make it...yet (or ever ;))...
Sorry Luke, you are disastrous bodybuilder with nothing to offer and no magazine will publish your photos...Covers - you can forget about...Supplement Endorsement contracts will always be your dream (unlike Texaschain masacre bubba-boy)...and getting the invitation from Arnold is absolutely out of question...
You should quit - immediately...
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And whoever wants to judge me for my "Asian Games incident" - here is what happened:
I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...
I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).
Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.
Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...
Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)
Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc
So what happens in Asia and Middle East - everyone knows that "highest bidder" gets what they want...as they only need to "close the deal" with "Mr. Fixer" (Paul Chua's nickname used in Asia)...
Now, as much as I didn't want to believe in rumors - I was warned that medals were given MONTH BEFORE the competition...
I had exact order of medals in each category given to me by ...let's just say SOMEONE (at this time).
Sadly, "month before prediction" materialized to the T...
Each and every category ended up exactly as predicted...
Yes, there was many GOOD CALLS...and I did agree with many results...but some are just too insulting to anyone with just little bit of Intelligence...
For example:
If for the next Mr. Olympia I would announce that Micky Mouse is coming straight out of Disneyland to win the Sandow...many would laugh...
But, when Micky beats Jay, Ronnie and the rest of the field with the perfect score...WHAT would you say than?
If Milos complained again - should he be suspended...or better yet - "killed"?
It is exactly what happened in Doha...
#1) I have heard about FIXING categories and weight classes...
Competitors much heavier (or lighter in some instances) would make desired weight - and nobody would know HOW...
Well, I saw HOW with my own eyes.
As I was official Malaysian coach (very proud of my two PHENOMENAL athletes - both deserving much better placing that what they got...) I was ONLY official allowed to come for weigh-inn.
To my surprise - when I came to official weigh-in...I was NOT ALLOWED inside the room...and NOBODY could see the scale, except Paul Chua's right-hand man.
I have confessions of few competitors COMPLAINING about the weigh-in - just to be warned to be disqualified IF they say anything...as it already happened before (I have written confession of a doctor of certain Asian country who told me that - they filed complaint once...but they were immediately suspended...
They had to write a letter of apology to be accepted back...later on...
So -first competitors are PLACED in categories of Paul Chua's choice...(winner of the 90+kg category was about the same weight as his countryman in 80kg category winning the silver) - just one of the examples...
#2) I have heard about score sheets being printed BEFORE the event (after the task #1 is successfully completed).
Confession of ONE OF THE OFFICIAL JUDGES (in front of some Asian games competitors and another IFBB professional) was that he was "drawing flowers" on his sheet rather than judging!?!?!
As I asked furiously HOW CAN HE DO THAT - he simply stated - everyone knows that our score sheets will end up in garbage and Paul will use advancely prepared scores with their names and signatures on it...
Official scores would be printed the minute class will walk off the stage - in completely different part of the building...And results would be available and announced on the radio also couple of minutes AFTER the class was finished - instantly...
In 65kg category for example there was ONE POINT difference between my competitor and UAE representative (they sure made it look like the "close contest")...
Yet, at the finals top five were called out in numerical order only - winner and runner up separated by competitor who wasn't even in running for top three...
After set of mandatories - competitors were now reversed (left and right side changed their respective positions) - so AGAIN top two (with just point difference) were never placed next to each other.
I instructed Zali (my competitor who is also 3 times World Champion in this class...winning the World Championship just weeks before) to stand NEXT to the guy from UAE who was leading after the prejudging by a single point...
Zali listened and moved right next to him - just to be forced back in his position...as NOBODY wanted him to be directly compared to eventual winner!
Results of the finals were EXACTLY the same as from prejudging - thus Sazali Samad at the age of 39 who absolutely deserved the perfect score and gold medal was denied what he worked so hard for...
Once in the lifetime opportunity to secure his family and put the roof over his children's heads was - taken away...
Sadly, even Minister of Youth and Sports of Malaysia Dato Azalina Dato Othman was in tears - asking me to GO AHEAD and SAY what needs to be said at the official press conference.
Previously,(two days before the contest) she expressed her fear that Paul Chua indeed has "plans" for 65kg category...and she only prays for Justice...
I acted as a coach - as instructed by my superiors (in this instance) and I openly criticised what I saw that day.
I guess - I breached a "code of conduct" of the IFBB...and therefore I am facing suspension...
I'll take the punishment if committee believes I deserve one.
I do want to mention that during the prejudging right after 65kg class I started watching the next category (70 kg) class...
After competitors got introduced I was asked what I think about certain competitor - "Simon Chua" or officially Ling Fung CHUA from Singapore...
As I analyzed his competition and realized that even though he had decent lines - he is OUTCLASSED by many...I made a statement - he'll be very lucky if he makes the top five...
Well, my friends reminded me to look at the list (done month before as "prediction" list of the winners)...
I saw Simon as expected winner of the class!
That is when I came with comment: "well, this is possible ONLY if this contest is being held in Disneyland and Mr. Walt Disney is the judge..."
Well...Simon got the PERFECT SCORE...and I realized I wasn't even close to Anaheim of FANTASYLAND...
#3) There is still ONE more obstacle for the "masterplan" to be completed...and that was a "doping test"...
Well, let's just (for time being) say that - certain competitors who I talked to were not worried at all...(while manifesting clear viseable signs of "doping indicators"...if you know what I mean)...
Sure enough - my guys were immediately called for testing (which they passed in flying colors) but certain others would have something to worry about...well, if it wasn't for Mr. Chua...off course...
So, there you have it.
Now, I suppose to be the IFBB Representative - everywhere I go...
The same day I witnessed what I did - I made URGENT CALL to Mr. Rafael Santonja (IFBB President)...
I reported exactly what I saw.
The rest is about to come to conclusion...
The fact is:
I know that I am in very bad predicament...
Mr. Paul Chua is official with long history in the IFBB and very high position...
I am only one of hundreds of competitors...so chances are - I will be eaten alive by "powers to be"...
- I know that I might lose my Weider contract as well as get suspended by the IFBB...hence - highly affect my livelyhood.
- I have NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose in this whole ordeal...but...for Shawn, texasbubba and people alike who like to talk about "STRENGTH and HONOR"
there is a simple question of PRIDE, self-respect, courage, integrity and HONOR to do THE RIGHT THING - regardless of the consequences.
- I am fighting for justice for my brothers of Iron in Asia and the Middle East...
- I am fighting to save the integrity of the IFBB...which is highly affected with happenings in Asia for a long time (since the dictatorship of "Mr. Fixer")...
- I am fighting for bodybuilding as a sport.
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hey milos, did you watch the weightlifting comp in the asian games? I got the feeling that there was some fixing going on in that. Usually rezazedeh couldn't win a major meet with his warm up weights like he did.
On the side, I wish canada would pay us athletes if we won at major championships, then maybe we wouldn't suck at everything besides hockey.
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Milos you're an idiot. You had to know that coming out with this "proof" would do nothing but hurt you. If you want action go to the mainstream media about them dropping bodybuilding from the Asian games with your "proof", but that would open you up to more investigation from the government.
You're fucked Sarcev, I'm sure the PDI will welcome you though.
Enjoy.
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He puts out oil fires, works for the DEA and has a condo in Hawaii, he also knows all the "big gun" in the IFBB, what a guy ::)
you can't read very well. Go back and try again.
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He puts out oil fires, works for the DEA and has a condo in Hawaii, he also knows all the "big gun" in the IFBB, what a guy ::)
hahahaha, another delusional penis puffer.
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And whoever wants to judge me for my "Asian Games incident" - here is what happened:
I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...
I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).
Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.
Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...
Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)
Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc
So what happens in Asia and Middle East - everyone knows that "highest bidder" gets what they want...as they only need to "close the deal" with "Mr. Fixer" (Paul Chua's nickname used in Asia)...
Now, as much as I didn't want to believe in rumors - I was warned that medals were given MONTH BEFORE the competition...
I had exact order of medals in each category given to me by ...let's just say SOMEONE (at this time).
Sadly, "month before prediction" materialized to the T...
Each and every category ended up exactly as predicted...
Yes, there was many GOOD CALLS...and I did agree with many results...but some are just too insulting to anyone with just little bit of Intelligence...
For example:
If for the next Mr. Olympia I would announce that Micky Mouse is coming straight out of Disneyland to win the Sandow...many would laugh...
But, when Micky beats Jay, Ronnie and the rest of the field with the perfect score...WHAT would you say than?
If Milos complained again - should he be suspended...or better yet - "killed"?
It is exactly what happened in Doha...
#1) I have heard about FIXING categories and weight classes...
Competitors much heavier (or lighter in some instances) would make desired weight - and nobody would know HOW...
Well, I saw HOW with my own eyes.
As I was official Malaysian coach (very proud of my two PHENOMENAL athletes - both deserving much better placing that what they got...) I was ONLY official allowed to come for weigh-inn.
To my surprise - when I came to official weigh-in...I was NOT ALLOWED inside the room...and NOBODY could see the scale, except Paul Chua's right-hand man.
I have confessions of few competitors COMPLAINING about the weigh-in - just to be warned to be disqualified IF they say anything...as it already happened before (I have written confession of a doctor of certain Asian country who told me that - they filed complaint once...but they were immediately suspended...
They had to write a letter of apology to be accepted back...later on...
So -first competitors are PLACED in categories of Paul Chua's choice...(winner of the 90+kg category was about the same weight as his countryman in 80kg category winning the silver) - just one of the examples...
#2) I have heard about score sheets being printed BEFORE the event (after the task #1 is successfully completed).
Confession of ONE OF THE OFFICIAL JUDGES (in front of some Asian games competitors and another IFBB professional) was that he was "drawing flowers" on his sheet rather than judging!?!?!
As I asked furiously HOW CAN HE DO THAT - he simply stated - everyone knows that our score sheets will end up in garbage and Paul will use advancely prepared scores with their names and signatures on it...
Official scores would be printed the minute class will walk off the stage - in completely different part of the building...And results would be available and announced on the radio also couple of minutes AFTER the class was finished - instantly...
In 65kg category for example there was ONE POINT difference between my competitor and UAE representative (they sure made it look like the "close contest")...
Yet, at the finals top five were called out in numerical order only - winner and runner up separated by competitor who wasn't even in running for top three...
After set of mandatories - competitors were now reversed (left and right side changed their respective positions) - so AGAIN top two (with just point difference) were never placed next to each other.
I instructed Zali (my competitor who is also 3 times World Champion in this class...winning the World Championship just weeks before) to stand NEXT to the guy from UAE who was leading after the prejudging by a single point...
Zali listened and moved right next to him - just to be forced back in his position...as NOBODY wanted him to be directly compared to eventual winner!
Results of the finals were EXACTLY the same as from prejudging - thus Sazali Samad at the age of 39 who absolutely deserved the perfect score and gold medal was denied what he worked so hard for...
Once in the lifetime opportunity to secure his family and put the roof over his children's heads was - taken away...
Sadly, even Minister of Youth and Sports of Malaysia Dato Azalina Dato Othman was in tears - asking me to GO AHEAD and SAY what needs to be said at the official press conference.
Previously,(two days before the contest) she expressed her fear that Paul Chua indeed has "plans" for 65kg category...and she only prays for Justice...
I acted as a coach - as instructed by my superiors (in this instance) and I openly criticised what I saw that day.
I guess - I breached a "code of conduct" of the IFBB...and therefore I am facing suspension...
I'll take the punishment if committee believes I deserve one.
I do want to mention that during the prejudging right after 65kg class I started watching the next category (70 kg) class...
After competitors got introduced I was asked what I think about certain competitor - "Simon Chua" or officially Ling Fung CHUA from Singapore...
As I analyzed his competition and realized that even though he had decent lines - he is OUTCLASSED by many...I made a statement - he'll be very lucky if he makes the top five...
Well, my friends reminded me to look at the list (done month before as "prediction" list of the winners)...
I saw Simon as expected winner of the class!
That is when I came with comment: "well, this is possible ONLY if this contest is being held in Disneyland and Mr. Walt Disney is the judge..."
Well...Simon got the PERFECT SCORE...and I realized I wasn't even close to Anaheim of FANTASYLAND...
#3) There is still ONE more obstacle for the "masterplan" to be completed...and that was a "doping test"...
Well, let's just (for time being) say that - certain competitors who I talked to were not worried at all...(while manifesting clear viseable signs of "doping indicators"...if you know what I mean)...
Sure enough - my guys were immediately called for testing (which they passed in flying colors) but certain others would have something to worry about...well, if it wasn't for Mr. Chua...off course...
So, there you have it.
Now, I suppose to be the IFBB Representative - everywhere I go...
The same day I witnessed what I did - I made URGENT CALL to Mr. Rafael Santonja (IFBB President)...
I reported exactly what I saw.
The rest is about to come to conclusion...
The fact is:
I know that I am in very bad predicament...
Mr. Paul Chua is official with long history in the IFBB and very high position...
I am only one of hundreds of competitors...so chances are - I will be eaten alive by "powers to be"...
- I know that I might lose my Weider contract as well as get suspended by the IFBB...hence - highly affect my livelyhood.
- I have NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose in this whole ordeal...but...for Shawn, texasbubba and people alike who like to talk about "STRENGTH and HONOR"
there is a simple question of PRIDE, self-respect, courage, integrity and HONOR to do THE RIGHT THING - regardless of the consequences.
- I am fighting for justice for my brothers of Iron in Asia and the Middle East...
- I am fighting to save the integrity of the IFBB...which is highly affected with happenings in Asia for a long time (since the dictatorship of "Mr. Fixer")...
- I am fighting for bodybuilding as a sport.
Milos....serious question, did you have Kiwiol right this for you? ;D and can I get the cliff notes version?
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IRS...DEA...no kidding...
I think we all know what happened with the DEA...and if the IRS is interested - they'll get everything they ever ask for.
With all your assumptions - I live CRYSTAL CLEAR life and stand behind everything I say or do...so if the Government needs to check me out (and I do know that after DEA it is possible to run into the IRS...just because...so I am prepared).
Again - it looks like Shawn and you (something tells me it could be the same person ::)) can prepare the celebration - just as much as he was waiting for a day I will go to prison for a loooooooooong time (as he said I would)...but...I have different plans.
So guys, enjoy your jealous misery...and continue to hope your neighbors house will burn but not yours...
I will look for my neighboor's wellbeing and bring him some gifts - every day of my life...
After all we all have our priorities...Don't we?
And as far as you Luke - why don't you ask texas why he didn't introduce himself already ::)...and where exactly was he during the Arnold?
With you on the stage (one of selectively invited top IFBB pros to grace the stage of the contest that Arnold himself is promoting) or in the Audience in wannabe section of people who attend every show...but only as a spectators...as they didn't make it...yet (or ever ;))...
Sorry Luke, you are disastrous bodybuilder with nothing to offer and no magazine will publish your photos...Covers - you can forget about...Supplement Endorsement contracts will always be your dream (unlike Texaschain masacre bubba-boy)...and getting the invitation from Arnold is absolutely out of question...
You should quit - immediately...
Texas will not reveal himself!! he is on the inside as an informant just trying to taught us or have a dig at us! He is just waving his hand in our face and trying to tease us a little but he will never throw a decent punch!
Well Milos, im thinking of coming out of retirement and competing again!!! maybe i will quit after i compete in the Olympia next year!! ;D
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Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the IFBB is going to suspend Milos without any type of hearing. Basically he is guilty without getting a chance to prove his innocence or whatever. Why would anyone want to work for an organization like that anyway.
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One of the interesting things about Milos is that we always are surprised by what he says after others accuse him of wrongdoing. His story is detailed and far exceeds what we imagined he would say. There are some very manipulative and immoral people out there and it is refreshing that someone is exposing these people. Like I said, Milos is completely innocent of all charges mentioned against him.
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Milos, enjoy your time away from the IFBB :-*
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Poor Milos :'(
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i've heard milos' side of the story and i've seen the pics.
now i invite chic and shawn or any other ifbb boy to tell us that contest was straight up.
i just wonder how shawn or chic would feel if they were ripped off to that extent ??? i mean i'm not talking apples and oranges here (ray and yates) i'm talking apples and horse manure (no disrespect to the other competitor but that's how far behind he was).
wouldn't you want your corner to speak up for you chic? shawn? (crickets...).
and if the ifbb does suspend milos (apparently the only person with the courage and integrity to speak up) exactly what type of message does that send to people like chua? can you say "cate blanch to do what ever they want!"
i mean, who the hell is the watchdog at ifbb events ??? oh, that must have been chua's right hand man.
i hope the people that matter from the ifbb actually read these message boards because it is quite obvious that the fans are right behind milos. at a time when the org is spiralling down the drain me thinks it might matter what the fans think.
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Milos, enjoy your time away from the IFBB :-*
Shawn, do you believe there is no corruption in the ABBF (http://www.abbf.biz/)? Or that it doesn't matter that there is?
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Have to agree, Bubba is a worthless penis puffer.
Milos looks like he has integrity and honesty on his side, unlike Bubba the spooge sponge. ;D
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Have to agree, Bubba is a worthless penis puffer.
Milos looks like he has integrity and honesty on his side, unlike Bubba the spooge sponge. ;D
Where is the integrity? You find Milos Innocent and someone else guilty without any proof. Do you swallow too?
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Where is the integrity? You find Milos Innocent and someone else guilty without any proof. Do you swallow too?
we can all see the proof in the pics shawn. it's not brain surgery.
ha ha, can anyone imagine what shawn would do if he entered a comp in the best condition of his life and stood to win over a quarter of a million, only to be beaten by pelletier?
can you say EPIC MELTDOWN!!!! :'(
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I have never heard so much rubbish in all my life...Milos will be proven innocent of all charges, period.
On the subject of Shawn Ray, yes he is bitter and tormented. So What !! Shawn is going through a lot of emotional issues at the moment. Maybe it is time to let up on him Getbiggers!!!
I despise Shawn, however, he is a human being after all. I hope his strong commitment to faith and prayer will see his through this ugly period in his life.
Peace.
you write like a female...what sort of stress is he going through? too much wine before it's time?
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i've heard milos' side of the story and i've seen the pics.
now i invite chic and shawn or any other ifbb boy to tell us that contest was straight up.
i just wonder how shawn or chic would feel if they were ripped off to that extent ??? i mean i'm not talking apples and oranges here (ray and yates) i'm talking apples and horse manure (no disrespect to the other competitor but that's how far behind he was).
wouldn't you want your corner to speak up for you chic? shawn? (crickets...).
and if the ifbb does suspend milos (apparently the only person with the courage and integrity to speak up) exactly what type of message does that send to people like chua? can you say "cate blanch to do what ever they want!"
i mean, who the hell is the watchdog at ifbb events ??? oh, that must have been chua's right hand man.
i hope the people that matter from the ifbb actually read these message boards because it is quite obvious that the fans are right behind milos. at a time when the org is spiralling down the drain me thinks it might matter what the fans think.
Lets get a few things straight...I wasn't there, and don't know of anyone else but Milos that was there, so for me to make comment on who I thought should have won, or if there was any wrong doing...would not be appropriote.
I had no vested interest in who won...Milos did. He has his own version of what went down..I'm sure Paul Chua has his, and so on, and so on....As far as I know...Milos was given an opportunity to show proof of his accusations, and a hearing was set/
I don't know what the results of that hearing was, and have been given no notification as of this posting.
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Would you feel comfortable giving us your opinion of the two based on the photos in this thread?
Sure...I don't know who is who, or what their names are...but the guy on the left and the guy on the right are pretty close in comparison. The guy on the right looks slightly better, but he's also in the better light in all the pics.
I certainly don't see any clear cut winner from those pics...meaning...if the pics are truly representing the way they looked, it could have gone either way.
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Sure...I don't know who is who, or what their names are...
what is your opinion on the integrity of Paul Chua? there have been rumors floating around about him for years.
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what is your opinion on the integrity of Paul Chua? there have been rumors floating around about him for years.
Don't know him, never met him, have never heard his name until this event became news...
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Sure...I don't know who is who, or what their names are...but the guy on the left and the guy on the right are pretty close in comparison. The guy on the right looks slightly better, but he's also in the better light in all the pics.
I certainly don't see any clear cut winner from those pics...meaning...if the pics are truly representing the way they looked, it could have gone either way.
Chick, i think this post pretty much sums up Pro Bodybuilding.....As you stated; ''....it could have gone either way.''
So true, and this is my point. The judging of the sport is purely subjective. Hence, establishing which competitor is better or worse is just like asking; what color is red!
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Sure...I don't know who is who, or what their names are...but the guy on the left and the guy on the right are pretty close in comparison. The guy on the right looks slightly better, but he's also in the better light in all the pics.
I certainly don't see any clear cut winner from those pics...meaning...if the pics are truly representing the way they looked, it could have gone either way.
"The guy on the right looks slightly better..." :o
"I certainly don't see any clear cut winner from those pics...meaning...if the pics are truly representing the way they looked, it could have gone either way."
you can't be serious chick, come one now? how long have you been involved in bbing?
so if that was you up there, you would have no problem with the other guy winning? maybe even shake his hand and congratulate chua for an excellent show, right chick?
me says you're full of shit chick. ;)
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Chick, i see your point. I may not agree with everything you say, but i respect your opinion and right of replay.
Thankyou
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As a veteran Asian amateur bodybuilder,I feel that Milos did speak for most of Asian competitive bodybuilders who always choose "no talk,don't ask" policy!
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Don't know him, never met him, have never heard his name until this event became news...
yet he's been one of the top guys in the IFBB for decades
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As a veteran Asian amateur bodybuilder,I feel that Milos did speak for most of Asian competitive bodybuilders who always choose "no talk,don't ask" policy!
I agree. Good post.
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I knew about Paul Chua decades ago. Seems Chick is out of the loop these days! I have to say Chick has now completely demonstrated he is a pawn in the IFBB. "Could have gone either way." Yep, that is the IFBB line. The maturity of the two physiques in question is not close. I guess we had to be there to make an opinion. The photos don't count. Well, that is nonsense. I agree with others who insist contests have to be fair and be seen to be fair. That contest fails both of those requirements. Even Chick has to agree that it wasn't seen to be fair. Paul Chua has had a fair go. If he is guilty of fixing that contest he should never be an official or promoter of bodybuilding again.
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But that was not all ....
In 70 kg class the winner with perfest score was this gyu
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.... over this guy :o
Yes , this gyu (Husain Sayed Faisal) was second ... beleive it or not!!!!!!!!!!
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I've seen enough..
The competition is
RIGGED
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bronze medal
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All these guys lost from that Mickey Mouse who was "perfect" >:(
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Every judge gave him first place in every round - so called "PERFECT SCORE" - totalling 5 points during the prejudging and 5 points during the finals.
Mr.Perfect
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Kenji KONDO, Japan - 4th place
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NEWS FLASH....Breaking Story
Bodybuilding Is Purely Subjective?
A former Master's winner was reported as saying that a recent Asian Bodybuilding Competition could have 'gone either way'. This statement utterly shocked the bodybuilding world. Apparently, followers of this so-called sport were unaware that the judging of bodybuilding competitions was a purely subjective practice.
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Once again ..... Mr. Perfect ;D and guys way below him .....
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NEWS FLASH No. 2
Judging in bodybuilding is purely subjective.
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News Flash No 3.
Hank!! F@#% Off!!!
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I can't tell shit from the photos because of the color of their tans....just looks like gold tinted shadows to me. :-\
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Milos claims to have proof.
I would think that an organization would welcome evidence of any wrongdoing so that they could address judging integrity failures to keep the sport as pure and untarnished as possible.
If he indeed has proof, it could only improve the sport by helping to make sure the best man wins.
Yes, people are always keen to accept accusations of corruption or fowl play, surely they would want to indict themselves because it would make the sport fairer?!?! People wouldn't lie for personal gain...
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I haven't read this whole thread.
But those pics are hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the guy who finished first got a monster christmas present.
I pray that nobody here jumps to his defense and says he was the best man on that stage.
hahahaha holy crap that is so funny he won - WITH A PERFECT SCORE! Hilarious!!
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milos should be thanked for speaking out not crucified...milos wants the standard high not just garbage fixed contests. garbage fixed shows make no sense. might as well hold it at a jimmyz show then. and ...well, it could have gone either way? in this instance to say that is almost insulting our intelligence.
so, did he get suspended?
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milos should be thanked for speaking out not crucified...milos wants the standard high not just garbage fixed contests. garbage fixed shows make no sense. might as well hold it at a jimmyz show then. and ...well, it could have gone either way? in this instance to say that is almost insulting our intelligence.
so, did he get suspended?
I see your point. i am Milos' side for this one.
Look, the fact that Pro Bodybuilding is a 'pagaent' and not a 'sport' is the reason why we will continue to see situations like this arise again and again.
Judging in Pro Bodybuilding events is a purely subjective call. Bodybuilding pagaents will generally, always be controversial for this reason alone...It is quite a simple concept to understand really. Even your average Meathead should be able to comprehend this one!
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So since it's completely obvious that the "winner" won because the show was rigged, can some of you more legal people answer what would be required to prove said rigging?
I'm guessing photos/video and someones word is not enough. Hypothetically speaking, what would be?
My second question is: Who would be the jury on this one? IFBB? The Asian federation? Or an unbiased third party? If third party, who?
garraeth, milos doesn't want to go near a court, trust me.
we all know what's gone on here and huge praise needs to go to milos for having the courage, compassion and integrity to look after his athlete's interest, but seriously, you have a snow ball's chance in hell of proving anything from this much information.
you want to go legal? milos would be fighting an uphill battle on a defamation suit UNLESS he has something that proves that chua cheated (that kind of rolls doesn't it?). he would need to prove this in court with documentary/video/tape recorded evidence or witness testimonials.
then again, milos says he has evidence. i really hope so.
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Given how corrupt the IFBB is, i wouldn't be surprised if the people who have the final say on Milos's possible suspension are Sean, Bob, and Texasbubba.
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Once again ..... Mr. Perfect ;D and guys way below him .....
HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS
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So since it's completely obvious that the "winner" won because the show was rigged, can some of you more legal people answer what would be required to prove said rigging?
Milos said the results were posted within minutes, which means they were typed out ahead of time. some evidence of that would be enough.
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F UC K HOPE MILOS DOSENT RAISE THAT POINT HERE....ALL IFBB SHOWS WOULD BE DROPPED :)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good one Lee!
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HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS
Hahahha.. Good call Lee... Ain't that the truth
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Milos said the results were posted within minutes, which means they were typed out ahead of time. some evidence of that would be enough.
how many minutes? The scores are entered into a spreadsheet. Anyone with 10 key experience can punch in numbers quickly. Circumstantial at best, but proves nothing. So what else you got. Other than folks are judging the results by still pictures. Why don't we quit leasing venues and just have competitors send in pictures so they can be judged results can be posted for competitors to see? Still pictures don't mean anything when you are judging. There are many nuances one must look for while a competitor is posing. Time doesn't stop in real life.
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texasbuba
Are you blind ..... did you saw the pics ..... you don`t need both eyes to see that something was wrong
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lee a priest you got it so right!
i say hold the contest at JimmyZ's LOL
so the judges can capture the real time fluidity and nuances of an "Art" show called a bodybuilding contest ::)
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We used to publish the results after the end of the contest. All judging in our contests happened during the so-called pre-judging. The evening show was for the audience and everyone knew that. No judging occurred then. So it was easy to work out who won and print the results. If contests ran late it was a bit tricky getting everything finished in time. That was a job for the chairman of the judges who didn't actually judge the contest himself.
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Meatheads please, enough! Try and get your heads around the concept that, Bodybuilding is a pagaent, period. It is not a sport!
There are no winners here. Judging has, and will always will be, subjective! Hence, corruption and irregularities, can and will continue to prevail.
I know this is a difficult concept to embrace you Neanderthals. So i will repeat; Bodybuilding is a pagaent and therefore follows the protocols of subjectivity!
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HAVENT SEEN JUDGING THAT BAD SINCE BOB WON THE MASTERS.......NOTHING FISHY HERE.............EVEN THOU IT STINKS
Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
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PAGAENT WARS !!!!!!
IFBB Versus PDI
Which Pagaent will reign supreme ???
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
OUCH HIT A NERVE ON BOB........WHICH WERE????? DONT HATE BOB.........ONE THING I CAN SAY BOB THE IFBB HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A GIFT.....BUT THEN AGAIN OVE THE YEARS PAYING 17,000 IN FINE I GUESS I COULD GET ONE...........YOU NEVER EVEN DESERVED A GIFT
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Chick, i understand that if i mildly criticize you, my posts will be removed.
Chick, you are Pro Bodybuilding's historian. I would never question your take and knowledge on the history of this so-called sport.
I am more interested as to why someone with your standing in the bodybuilding community, has the time and patience to even bother responding to a post made by the much reviled Lee Priest???
Now is that a fair question? Not hating Chick, just want the balance addressed.
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OUCH HIT A NERVE ON BOB........WHICH WERE????? DONT HATE BOB.........ONE THING I CAN SAY BOB THE IFBB HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A GIFT.....BUT THEN AGAIN OVE THE YEARS PAYING 17,000 IN FINE I GUESS I COULD GET ONE...........YOU NEVER EVEN DESERVED A GIFT
They've never given me a gift either...your $17,000 in fines were the fault of no one but your own...oh yeah, and your buddy Wayne, who was the one that fined you.
Who's the one hating, Lee...?
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.
I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.
Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.
Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.
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They've never given me a gift either...your $17,000 in fines were the fault of no one but your own...oh yeah, and your buddy Wayne, who was the one that fined you.
Who's the one hating, Lee...?
YOU ARE BOB......NO BENS NAME ON LETTER ALL MY LETTERS EVEN THE LAST ONE REMEBER....ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....
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Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.
I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.
Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.
Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.
HEY YOU BLOODY C U N T.....NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RETARDED LOOK AT ME....HOW ARE THINGS DOWN UNDER TONY? GOOD I HOPE....TAKE CARE
LEE
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
You have some nerve calling Lee a circus boy....so much for 'look who's talking'... ::)
If there's any clown in the IFBB town, he goes by the name CHICKSTER, the clown! And as his side kick, Sean Rey, the sea monkey .
At the next Olympia you guys should wear your clown 'entertainer' suits and add a sketch to the night show: HIT THE CLOWN AND GO TO TOWN. It would consist on placing Mr. Rafael Santonja in the middle of the stage, naked, and the volunteers that manage to throw the greatest amount of pies at his face will win a dinner for 2 at a nice steak house on the strip.
How about that?
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YOU ARE BOB......NO BENS NAME ON LETTER ALL MY LETTERS EVEN THE LAST ONE REMEBER....ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....
I didn't bring your name up in my post, come to think of it....no one else did either.
What's a matter...a little bored? I guess you would be...your "season" doesn't start until Sept...come to think of it, it ends in Sept. also..!
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HEY YOU BLOODY C U N T.....NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RETARDED LOOK AT ME....HOW ARE THINGS DOWN UNDER TONY? GOOD I HOPE....TAKE CARE
LEE
All good mate, hope you are well, we missed you at this years show. Please come back. TD
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ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....
Yeah just like when Ron interviewed you on video. ::)
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YOU ARE BOB......NO BENS NAME ON LETTER ALL MY LETTERS EVEN THE LAST ONE REMEBER....ITS ALWAYS BEEN MY FAULT .....TELLING THE TRUTH IS A FLAW OF MINE.....
BTW...I know this may be tough for you to figure out...but do you know WHY Ben's name is on your suspentions/ fines? Because he was the PRESIDENT of the company, you know...like Bill Gates' name is on Microsoft checks..? It was your pal Wayne who was responsible, and who put in for your fines...
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All good mate, hope you are well, we missed you at this years show. Please come back. TD
YOU KNOW I WILL SOON IN TIME MY FRIEND............
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Yeah just like when Ron interviewed you on video. ::)
OH LOOK WHO SHOWED UP THE COCK SUCKER HIMSELF...HI HOW ARE YOU ISAAC
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Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.
I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.
Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.
Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.
...but it wasn't discrediting to me or the judges/ organization when Lee said the same, right?
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BTW...I know this may be tough for you to figure out...but do you know WHY Ben's name is on your suspentions/ fines? Because he was the PRESIDENT of the company, you know...like Bill Gates' name is on Microsoft checks..? It was your pal Wayne who was responsible, and who put in for your fines...
GOOD THING YOU CAN TYPE BOB...CASUE IT WOULD BE HARD TO TALK WITH THE IFBBS COCK IN YOUR MOUTH ........................ ...
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GOOD THING YOU CAN TYPE BOB...CASUE IT WOULD BE HARD TO TALK WITH THE IFBBS COCK IN YOUR MOUTH ........................ ...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA......
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...but it wasn't discrediting to me or the judges/ organization when Lee said the same, right?
SHIT THE JUDGES SUCK I WILL SAY THAT...AT YOUR SHOW THEY SUCKED YOU GOT A GIFT....EASY
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
I think you just said something you might regret.
To imply the IFBB gives gifts.... Wow.
I'm shocked you would say that, Bob.
But hey, it's your right to express your opinion. I don't agree, but you know the sport better than I do.
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SHIT THE JUDGES SUCK I WILL SAY THAT...AT YOUR SHOW THEY SUCKED YOU GOT A GIFT....EASY
Lee, you're a running joke in bodybuilding and the worse part is that you don't get it. You start a one man protest and no-one followed you. I'm actually glad that you're blackballed now, you'll never see an IFBB stage again.
The IFBB isn't going away because some blond headed 3rd tier bodybuilding midget saids so. Your faith in your fans is one thing, but it doesn't pay the bills.
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...but it wasn't discrediting to me or the judges/ organization when Lee said the same, right?
Yes it definitely was discrediting to you when Lee said the same, absolutely.
He is not part of the IFBB, you are. The athletes rep, the voice and a well respected athlete. He is trying to get a rise out of you and it worked.
As I said keep up the good work. I know you take some hits from the gallery but at least you give a shit, which is what the organisation needs more of.
TD
PS Vince, shut up
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GOOD THING YOU CAN TYPE BOB...CASUE IT WOULD BE HARD TO TALK WITH THE IFBBS COCK IN YOUR MOUTH ........................ ...
Didn't think you were smart enough fo comprehend it....can't say I'm surprised.
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Bob, what other IFBB pro wins have been "gifts", as you worded it?
Were Lee's two wins the only two times that the wrong man has been given the trophy?
Or does this happen frequently?
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Didn't think you were smart enough fo comprehend it....can't say I'm surprised.
Fortunately, Lee Priest has been spayed and neutered. Darwin's theory isn't needed in this matter
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Fortunately, Lee Priest has been spayed and neutered. Darvin's theory isn't needed in this matter
Lee doesn't have children, Vince?
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Darvin's theory isn't needed in this matter
Who is Darvin?
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
Milos is getting great support from the most unlikely sources!!
nice to have the ifbb rep confirm "fixes"
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Who is Darvin?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa ;D
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I think you just said something you might regret.
To imply the IFBB gives gifts.... Wow.
I'm shocked you would say that, Bob.
But hey, it's your right to express your opinion. I don't agree, but you know the sport better than I do.
There's nothing I said that I regret...I've often not agreed with the judges decisions and/or the judging system...thats why I make the changes I do....for better judging and a better system and more comparisons, etc....
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There's nothing I said that I regret...I've often not agreed with the judges decisions and/or the judging system...thats why I make the changes I do....for better judging and a better system and more comparisons, etc....
I gotcha.
What other "gifts" are you willing to publicly comment on?
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Milos is getting great support from the most unlikely sources!!
nice to have the ifbb rep confirm "fixes"
No one said "fixes" fool....there is a difference, see if you can figure it out on your own without having it explained to you...
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I gotcha.
What other "gifts" are you willing to publicly comment on?
I've commented on many...listen to the Radio show, or the webcasts.
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No one said "fixes" fool....there is a difference, see if you can figure it out on your own without having it explained to you...
Honestly, I cannot tell the difference.
What is the difference between a "gift" and a "fix"?
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No one said "fixes" fool....there is a difference, see if you can figure it out on your own without having it explained to you...
saying a placing is a gift is saying a contest is fixed. don't call me a fool for your blunder.
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Honestly, I cannot tell the difference.
What is the difference between a "gift" and a "fix"?
Gift = Bob winning the Masters
Fix = what he snorts everyday before posting in here his wisdom
Hope this helps.
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Who is Darvin?
Here's an example of Darwin's Theory. Just messing with you...chuckle
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saying a placing is a gift is saying a contest is fixed. don't call me a fool for your blunder.
A "fix" would be a contestant that was guaranteed a victory by way of payout, or some other circumstance that guaranted a win, no matter what.
A "gift" would be when a contest could have gone to the second place guy, but went to the winner anyway. You know, like Lee winning over David Henry at the IM...
get it now?
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So who did Lee pay off to get those gifts? Damm Lee, I didn't think you'd do such a low thing for a win. Is winning that important? Who took the bribes?
He didn't...see above.
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If we want examples of fixing in the IFBB then take a look at how Bev Francis was placed in all her Olympia shows plus that silly contest in 1983 in Las Vegas. She was given 8th for goodness sake. That was a deliberate fix by Ben Weider. They literally didn't know where to place Bev but they made sure Bev didn't win. So fixing a show isn't always about making sure someone wins. It can often be about making sure individuals don't win or even place high. I think 8th place is where you end up if you aren't approved of by the IFBB.
Bob C has opinions just like the rest of us. Naturally his comment about gifts is made by the individual and not the IFBB professional athletes' rep. First he didn't know who Paul Chua was and now he has no clue about what a gift is. I think it is time the IFBB had elections for every position in that organization. That way you can at least get rid of people you don't want. At the moment many seem to be appointed for life. The regional 'vice-presidents' seem to stay as long as they like.
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This is hilarious.... A bunch of Meathead's trying to sound intellectual. Attempting to rationalise this so-called sport.
What a joke. Get over this delusion. Pro Bodybuilding is a PAGAENT.....get it ? It has much credibility as Trump's Miss Universe Pagaent....still dont get it ? Fair enough you roided-simpletons.
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Hey Chick, you, as IFBB rep should not say this. It discredits the promoters, judges and federation. Lee won my show and won it fair. I can only hope you are talking about the other shows he won. There should be no gifts at all.
I believe that my judges, judge what is front of them on the day. Mostly they have a good rep as do all IFBB judges. You saying this perpetuates the hate and conspiracy theories that pollute bodybuilding.
Keep up the good work but dont discredit your own organization to try and get an internet win over Lee.
Remember winning an argument on the internet is like a medal at the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded.
You should expect a written apology from Chick now according to the IFBB rulebook
If a Member makes a public statement against another Member of the Pro
League, the Pro League itself, the IFBB, or any member of the IFBB that is false,
malicious, hateful, offensive, abusive, insulting, demeaning, slanderous or
libelous, and if the Member fails to immediately withdraw the statement and
apologize in writing, that Member violates the IFBB Professional League Code
of Ethics and may be subject to disciplinary measures as decided by the Pro
League.
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When we first heard that Lee was defeated by Ronnie Rockel in Sydney a couple of years ago we all wondered what happened. When Ronnie Rockel showed up in the Olympia after the downunder pro event everyone knew he had a great physique. I wasn't at that contest but I do know the Aussies do their own thing. For the Aussie judges to place Rockel above Lee Priest is proof that they try to judge contests properly. That doesn't mean that some contests aren't controversial. Close contests will always be 'controversial' because even the judges can disagree about who should have won.
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It is like i have dropped a 'bombshell' when i call Pro Bodybuilding out to be a 'Pagaent'. Everyone goes into 'shell shock'
Then i follow up with 'napalm' and make the call that the judging is purely 'subjective'.
However, the 'fire' still burns and the deluded Meatheads continue their moronic arguments.
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gotcha
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gotcha
What? That Pro Bodybuilding is a Pagaent and not a sport. And that the judging is purely subjective.
Come on. Suely this concept is too difficult to grasp.
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thats why I make the changes I do....for better judging and a better system and more comparisons, etc....
Always about you isn't it Bob? Get over yourself the entire industry is tired of you trying to take credit for everything. You're as worthless as tits on a bore hog.
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
You have to agree with that Lee, you certainly weren't deserving.
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Yeah just like when Ron interviewed you on video. ::)
Repost the so called "truth" Issac. Lee can't remember which lie he told.
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Honestly, I cannot tell the difference.
What is the difference between a "gift" and a "fix"?
Wayne can explain this too you. He was is the master of BS.
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Lee, you are a failure! You believed that your shift to the PDI would bring about a swathe of defections from the IFBB. How wrong you were. Nobody followed you.
Lee, you have convinced yourself that you are the most popular bodybuilder on the planet. Where in reality, you are despised and mocked by almost the entire industry.
You attack Bob on a consistent basis. Most of the time making little sense.The frustration and anger you harbor towards him is frightening.
Lee, the truth is, Bob Chick is merely a symbol for the hatred and resentment you feel towards yourself.
Stop trying to find excuses for your failures and lost opportunities. It is time to move on and find a new meaning for your life.
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Lee IS the most popular bodybuilder on the planet. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. He is the only bodybuilder [other than Milos] that speaks his mind and doesn't give a Sydney shit what other people think.
Who are you again?
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Lee IS the most popular bodybuilder on the planet. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. He is the only bodybuilder [other than Milos] that speaks his mind and doesn't give a Sydney shit what other people think.
Who are you again?
UK Gold, you are very passionate about your bodybuilding, and that is a good thing.
My post is not hate driven.
Lee has had his day. It is time that he finds a new direction for his miserable and bitter life.
Look, i agree, Lee would have to have the biggest set of balls on the planet. However, that is not enough for the little-guy to ever make an impact in this corrupt and reviled game of Professional Bodybuilding.
Peace.
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1.Get suspended from the IFBB?
2.If suspended can he still train competitors for the IFBB, and will they get screwed because of working with Milos?
3.Would he consider PDI if he is suspended?
4.What's up with the IRS and Milos? I ask cause Shawn Ray keeps bringing it up
5.Will Shawn Ray show up at Milos gym for the free seminar? Will he bring his DEA buddies?
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1.Get suspended from the IFBB?
2.If suspended can he still train competitors for the IFBB, and will they get screwed because of working with Milos?
3.Would he consider PDI if he is suspended?
4.What's up with the IRS and Milos? I ask cause Shawn Ray keeps bringing it up
5.Will Shawn Ray show up at Milos gym for the free seminar? Will he bring his DEA buddies?
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Did i help any?
Lisa :-*
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Did i help any?
Lisa :-*
No help, but you can make it up to GETBIG by posting pictures ;) ;) ;) ;)
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2.If suspended can he still train competitors for the IFBB, and will they get screwed because of working with Milos?
How the hell wouldn't he be able to train competitors for the IFBB? Seriously. ::)
Why would working with Milos impact on a competitors placing (and I am not talking about the impact milos has on a competitor's physique)? It is a physique contest and who you work with or who you are friends with or who you are sponsored by or who you sleep with should have absolutely no bearing on the outcome the placing of competitors.
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No help, but you can make it up to GETBIG by posting pictures ;) ;) ;) ;)
I tried. Oh, and about the pics...i'm around, just start looking ;)
Lisa
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Lisa...only if you weren't married...
*sigh*
;)
...we could have 2 homes...one in the OC and one minutes away from the Rose Bowl...we'd be living the American dream...ahhhhhh, if only ;D
Lisa
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2.If suspended can he still train competitors for the IFBB, and will they get screwed because of working with Milos?
How the hell wouldn't he be able to train competitors for the IFBB? Seriously. ::)
Why would working with Milos impact on a competitors placing (and I am not talking about the impact milos has on a competitor's physique)? It is a physique contest and who you work with or who you are friends with or who you are sponsored by or who you sleep with should have absolutely no bearing on the outcome the placing of competitors.
Your acting like the IFBB and its judges don't hold grudges. I wouldn't doubt the IFBB will send a message to people who use Milos services
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Bump for anwers ;D ;D
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i've heard milos' side of the story and i've seen the pics.
now i invite chic and shawn or any other ifbb boy to tell us that contest was straight up.
i just wonder how shawn or chic would feel if they were ripped off to that extent ??? i mean i'm not talking apples and oranges here (ray and yates) i'm talking apples and horse manure (no disrespect to the other competitor but that's how far behind he was).
wouldn't you want your corner to speak up for you chic? shawn? (crickets...).
and if the ifbb does suspend milos (apparently the only person with the courage and integrity to speak up) exactly what type of message does that send to people like chua? can you say "cate blanch to do what ever they want!"
i mean, who the hell is the watchdog at ifbb events ??? oh, that must have been chua's right hand man.
i hope the people that matter from the ifbb actually read these message boards because it is quite obvious that the fans are right behind milos. at a time when the org is spiralling down the drain me thinks it might matter what the fans think.
At least - somebody is reading and listening what I have to say.
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Where is the integrity? You find Milos Innocent and someone else guilty without any proof. Do you swallow too?
My integrity is more than obvious...and I stand behind - everything that I said in this case.
Anyone with even milligram of brain could see what I am fighting for...There is my integrity (to answer your question).
BTW - are we on for Thursday evening in NY?
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Lets get a few things straight...I wasn't there, and don't know of anyone else but Milos that was there, so for me to make comment on who I thought should have won, or if there was any wrong doing...would not be appropriote.
I had no vested interest in who won...Milos did. He has his own version of what went down..I'm sure Paul Chua has his, and so on, and so on....As far as I know...Milos was given an opportunity to show proof of his accusations, and a hearing was set/
I don't know what the results of that hearing was, and have been given no notification as of this posting.
Lets get a few things straight...
I had no vested interest in who won...and by even mentioning this - you are going in wrong direction.
When did you see me complaining about ANY OF MY or my athletes placing?
It was NOT about my athlete...it was about FIXING THE SHOW of MEGA magnitude, bluntly in front of many people...after 2 decades of doing pretty much the same - time after time, show after show...
I was told in advance (months before) that possibility of "fixing" looks quite real to numerous people (including Minister of Youth and Sport of Malaysia...).
I was even given "prediction list" of each and every medal in each and every category - and 24 out of 24 predictions materialized at the show!
Eight categories...3 medals...and not a single "miss"...Las Vegas - where are you when we need you?
Well, after years of hearing horror stories from Asia...and similar predictions - I decided to make the trip and see it for myself.
I went there voluntarily...and chose NOT to even charge Malaysian Government for my trip to Doha...so I would have NO INTEREST...
My interest was exactly: integrity of my IFBB federation and I simply didn't want to believe those stories being POSSIBLE...
What I saw was most disturbing, disgusting, disappointing thing EVER...
Now, I could have ZERO integrity and bellow zero courage (like Shawn and texasbubba for example) and close my eyes to everything as I would not want to "step on anyone's foot" and in their brown-nose way of living you simply must be "politically correct" and agree with "powers" in every situation - regardless...
I have no doubt - what would these guys do (well, we all know "they" are the same person...but for the sake of "playing their /read: his/ game let's continue pretending that texasbubba is actually NOT Shawn ::)).
So, next time you want to look up in Webster under "Integrity" let me know if you like my picture they used...(I personally think they could have used better photo of me...but...oh, well).
BTW - Dennis James was there as well...and all the photos are posted on my forum - if anyone really wants to see...
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Lee, you're a running joke in bodybuilding and the worse part is that you don't get it. You start a one man protest and no-one followed you. I'm actually glad that you're blackballed now, you'll never see an IFBB stage again.
The IFBB isn't going away because some blond headed 3rd tier bodybuilding midget saids so. Your faith in your fans is one thing, but it doesn't pay the bills.
How would you know what is in bodybuilding. You aren't part of it. Just you show up on stage drunk and in your underwear cause your friends pulled your pants down doesn't mean you are in bodybuilding.
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A "fix" would be a contestant that was guaranteed a victory by way of payout, or some other circumstance that guaranted a win, no matter what.
A "gift" would be when a contest could have gone to the second place guy, but went to the winner anyway. You know, like Lee winning over David Henry at the IM...
get it now?
EXACTLY
And that's why I called it a : FIX...
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Lets get a few things straight...
I had no vested interest in who won...and by even mentioning this - you are going in wrong direction.
When did you see me complaining about ANY OF MY or my athletes placing?
It was NOT about my athlete...it was about FIXING THE SHOW of MEGA magnitude, bluntly in front of many people...after 2 decades of doing pretty much the same - time after time, show after show...
I was told in advance (months before) that possibility of "fixing" looks quite real to numerous people (including Minister of Youth and Sport of Malaysia...).
I was even given "prediction list" of each and every medal in each and every category - and 24 out of 24 predictions materialized at the show!
Eight categories...3 medals...and not a single "miss"...Las Vegas - where are you when we need you?
Well, after years of hearing horror stories from Asia...and similar predictions - I decided to make the trip and see it for myself.
I went there voluntarily...and chose NOT to even charge Malaysian Government for my trip to Doha...so I would have NO INTEREST...
My interest was exactly: integrity of my IFBB federation and I simply didn't want to believe those stories being POSSIBLE...
What I saw was most disturbing, disgusting, disappointing thing EVER...
Now, I could have ZERO integrity and courage (like Shawn and texasbubba for example) and close my eyes to everything as I would not want to "step on everyone's foot" and in their brown-nose way of living you simply must be "politically correct" and agree with "powers" in every situation - regardless...
I have no doubt - what would these guys do (well, we all know "they" are the same person...but for the sake of "playing their /read: his/ game let's continue pretending that texasbubba is actually NOT Shawn ::)).
So, next time you want to look up in Webster under "Integrity" let me know if you like my picture they used...(I personally think they could have used better photo of me...but...oh, well).
BTW - Dennis James was there as well...and all the photos are posted on my forum - if anyone really wants to see...
Are you saying that if your athlete won, you would have received no money from his winnings?
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Are you saying that if your athlete won, you would have received no money from his winnings?
YES Chick...THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. ;)
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hmmmmmmm I wasn't their so I cant comment but Im sure Justice will prevail
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Milos owning the shit out of Chic. Texasblubber doesn't count. Never has. It's simple, the IFBB wants no one involved with them that rocks the boat and can expose them on how the REALLY conduct business. It appears to me and many others that Milos is right. But it doesn't matter. The IFBB is crooked and run by crooks, they would never let anyone stick around who doesn't want to do it their way. I have always thought it was funny how Manion that huge assole in the middle of an IFBB meeting has someone who has one of my Muscle Mafia shirts on take it off right there in the meeting or get kicked out of the IFBB. Now thats being scared
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How much longer do bodybuilders have to put up with the IFBB, Chick, Paul Chua, Paul Graham and other such people? It is about time elections were held for all positions. Unless you can remove people through elections you are not going to get the best people involved. Of course, Ben Weider set up his business to look like an official sporting organization when in fact it is a business. Ben liked to control things and appointed people who worked with him to run things. Most of the time things seem okay but even in Australia over the years there have been heaps of compaints. At one time in Australia we had about 5 open organizations and 2 natural ones. There were so many Mr Australias that the title means very little today. When I came to Australia in 1971 there was one Mr Australia and everyone went to the contests. Now there are heaps of Mr Australias and not that many attend any more. Well, people go here and there and no longer attend the same contest. I bet the same thing is going to happen in America. IFBB, PDI, WBBF, etc., etc.
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Pro BBing has been pulled from the Asian games.
Bob Chic spilling it on the radio show.
Milos claims to have proof of this impropriety.
Chic says Milos will likely be suspended soon from the IFBB.
I'm sure posing in minimal posing trunks had nothing to do with it.
That there is no out-of-competition testing on all of the IFBB members... I am sure that has nothing to do with it either.
Yeah. It was all Milos. ::)
What the fcuk? Is this even up for discussion?
-Hedge
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Chick has a chance here to prove himself a worthy IFBB athletes rep. If he has any integrity left, he should travel to see this Chua guy and demand an explanation. He should also see the athlete that got BLATANTLY screwed and promise to take up his cause. Or does he only care about the athletes when he's sure it won't rock Auntie Ben's cash making boat?
Come on Chick. Nows the time to stand up for your athletes against corruption.
Or havn't you got the balls?
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Chick has a chance here to prove himself a worthy IFBB athletes rep. If he has any integrity left, he should travel to see this Chua guy and demand an explanation. He should also see the athlete that got BLATANTLY screwed and promise to take up his cause. Or does he only care about the athletes when he's sure it won't rock Auntie Ben's cash making boat?
Come on Chick. Nows the time to stand up for your athletes against corruption.
Or havn't you got the balls?
It's got nothing to do with "balls", fol....It's an IFBB AMATEUR event...not PRO. I have nothing to do with it. Why do you automatically believe their was any type of wrongdoing? Just because Milos said so? As usual, there are two sides to every story...
Try and get your facts straight befrore making a bigger ass of yourself..
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It's got nothing to do with "balls", fol....It's an IFBB AMATEUR event...not PRO. I have nothing to do with it. Why do you automatically believe their was any type of wrongdoing? Just because Milos said so? As usual, there are two sides to every story...
Try and get your facts straight befrore making a bigger ass of yourself..
I'm sure all the amateurs will be thrilled you hold them in such regard ::)
Milos has presented us all with evidence of corruption in the IFBB - amateur or not. I would of thought that someone of your stature in the sport would be concerned. Obviously not. I guess you're happy as long as you get to serve coffee to Auntie Ben.
I am not one of the 'haters' of getbig - i genuinely love bodybuilding, and i would like to think if you've put in the training and the time you've got a shot at victory. If, as Milos says is true, the winners were predetermined then surely there has to be an investigation? And why couldn't you head it?
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I'm sure all the amateurs will be thrilled you hold them in such regard ::)
Milos has presented us all with evidence of corruption in the IFBB - amateur or not. I would of thought that someone of your stature in the sport would be concerned. Obviously not. I guess you're happy as long as you get to serve coffee to Auntie Ben.
I am not one of the 'haters' of getbig - i genuinely love bodybuilding, and i would like to think if you've put in the training and the time you've got a shot at victory. If, as Milos says is true, the winners were predetermined then surely there has to be an investigation? And why couldn't you head it?
There IS an investigation...By the President of the Federation himself, Raphael Santonja. If what Milos said as any truth to it, then I'm sure he'll have the support of all the athletes that were involved...
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The operative word is "IF" since Milos wanted to talk about everything but " Proof!" ::)
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there is no bodybuilding in asia
why?
in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out
in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders
but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals
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there is no bodybuilding in asia
why?
in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out
in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders
but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals
Here....this may help you out:
From Milos:
I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...
I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).
Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.
Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...
Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)
Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc
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there is no bodybuilding in asia
why?
in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out
in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders
but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals
Bodybuilding now is very popular in Asian countries like Taiwan ,Hong kong,Korea ....
Every 2 years at Taiwan's Games ,every classwinner can get about 5,000 USD..or more.....
(Some other countries offer more than this ....)
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The 2 vince on this board needs help badly ???
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Lee why do you keep avoiding me and lift question?
Why did you lie to ron on camera that you was planning on coming back to the ifbb? Why do you lie so much? For kicks and thrills? :-\
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there is no bodybuilding in asia
why?
in 2/3 of asia there is poverty, kids are happy to see a decent meal of rice veg and little meat, they are not counting how many gms of potein they got. they all are caught up with going to sch and stressing their little brains out
in the devoloped countries. work hours are long, little leisure time, no support or money for bodybuilders
but bbding wasnt dropped due to milos dont be stupid, probably due to lack of support and steriods scandals
Not from Asia, but from a developing region myself. Poverty does not mean there is no bodybuilding. Even Haiti, the poorest nation on the western hemisphere, enters a team. In many ways, they have a lot of determination, as it is seen as a 'way out'.
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bob, u are right some government offer alot of money to motivate their atheletes to win medals
but u have to realise, only 1 one guy can win that gold medal money, and its only once every few years. the 99% of guys that dont win anything take home very little, if any money. if u take malaysia, what is 200,000 malaysian ringet? that is like around 70,000USD. divide that by 4 years since asian games only once every few years, u get what ? 15,000usd per year, thats what the CHAMPION earn...similar to what an average joe in the USA can make in 6months.
the rest of the atheletes get nothing. unlike USA, there is no supplement endorsements deals, no magazine covers, no talkshows, no paid guest posing for bodybuilders, because there is no market and fans for bdding in asia, few ppl even bother abt it on the news.
its changing as asia develops. but just see how many iffb pros are asian, and how many are from usa, europe, rest of world? that tells you something about the bodybuilding scene in asia
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Not from Asia, but from a developing region myself. Poverty does not mean there is no bodybuilding. Even Haiti, the poorest nation on the western hemisphere, enters a team. In many ways, they have a lot of determination, as it is seen as a 'way out'.
I disagree. poverty does indeed mean there will be no bodybuilding.
bodybulding is a sport that needs a lot of good food , good rest and time to train, when majority of ppl have trouble putting food on the table for their family they wont be thinking of taking in 200gms of protein a day.
havent heard of haiti bodybuilders making a scene anywhere, didnt know haiti existed till your post. that should tell u something about their 'success'
the world is unfair, determination exists in every human, from the starving kid in africa to the wannabe bodybuilder in haiti, MONEY does not
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I disagree. poverty does indeed mean there will be no bodybuilding.
bodybulding is a sport that needs a lot of good food , good rest and time to train, when majority of ppl have trouble putting food on the table for their family they wont be thinking of taking in 200gms of protein a day.
havent heard of haiti bodybuilders making a scene anywhere, didnt know haiti existed till your post. that should tell u something about their 'success'
the world is unfair, determination exists in every human, from the starving kid in africa to the wannabe bodybuilder in haiti, MONEY does not
Never said they were successful ;)
Just saying bodybuilding does exist in poor nations, as I see it for own eyes.
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As I have known that our goverment offer money to 2nd & 3rd placement too in Asian Games .
And you can keep getting money (maybe 1 or 2 thousands USD) EVERY MOUNTH !!
you can get more than this in World Championships or Olympics !!
So welcome best athletes to immigrate into Taiwan !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Never said they were successful ;)
Just saying bodybuilding does exist in poor nations, as I see it for own eyes.
when i said no bodybuilding in asia, i didnt exactly mean there are no bodybuilders at all. i meant it is an obscure sport that probably will never gather success. ok gtg, gd nite
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As I have known that our goverment offer money to 2nd & 3rd placement too in Asian Games .
And you can keep getting money (maybe 1 or 2 thousands USD) EVERY MOUNTH !!
you can get more than this in World Championships or Olympics !!
So welcome best athletes to immigrate into Taiwan !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
good to hear that. i can already see jay chou's buddy LIU GENG HONG placing 1st at the coming NY PRO :) just joking , taiwan is a nice place to live in, minus the govt and the compulsory army. i just dont understand why ur politicians fight all the time on tv, shouldnt they throw themselves in jail? ok gd nite MC
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It's got nothing to do with "balls", fol....It's an IFBB AMATEUR event...not PRO. I have nothing to do with it. Why do you automatically believe their was any type of wrongdoing? Just because Milos said so? As usual, there are two sides to every story...
Try and get your facts straight befrore making a bigger ass of yourself..
Bob, you actually doubt my story?
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The operative word is "IF" since Milos wanted to talk about everything but " Proof!" ::)
Really?
You listened to our conversation ? (or you were waiting like the little girl to call and find out?) ::)
There is no IF when I speak...and everyone knows it...
If there was IF...I would not mention anything and be in this position (read: facing suspension and loosing my livelihood/contract...)
It is question of HONOR and INTEGRITY Shawn...something you can only DREAM about...and Bob - something that you should KNOW about...
Did you ever wonder WHY WOULD I INSIST WHAT I DO?
Just because I can't wait to get suspended and loose my monthly paycheck (I am getting for 15 years?)...
THINK AGAIN
and I do have a reason to sign with:
STRENGTH AND HONOR...(contrary to you little vessel, who should never even mention it ;))
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i just dont understand why ur politicians fight all the time on tv, shouldnt they throw themselves in jail? ok gd nite MC
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That's pussy fighting ,they never lift weights ! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Here....this may help you out:
From Milos:
I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...
I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).
Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.
Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...
Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)
Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc
Bob - do you question this?
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Lee why do you keep avoiding me and lift question?
Why did you lie to ron on camera that you was planning on coming back to the ifbb? Why do you lie so much? For kicks and thrills? :-\
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lol @ Shawn Ray & Chick attacking Milos
What's with the hostility between you guys bro ;D
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Lee why do you keep avoiding me and lift question?
Why did you lie to ron on camera that you was planning on coming back to the ifbb? Why do you lie so much? For kicks and thrills? :-\
Lying and joking are different. Hope this helps. You've been demoted to private
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Here....this may help you out:
From Milos:
I have been traveling extensively in the last decade and one thing did get my attention:
every time I was in Asia I heard some rumors about gentelman by the name of Paul Chua - fixing the scores of competitions on regular bases...
I didn't take these claims seriously - as I know better that in any bodybuilding competition ONLY A WINNER agrees with the judges...
There were many talks about "fixings" of many competitions - but as I competed 110 times in my life (72 IFBB pro shows) and seeing HUNDREDS of others - I can honestly say that I have never witness blunt fixing of any show...(maybe I would not agree sometimes with placing...but I can't say I saw FIXING - ever).
Not until I went to Doha and witnessed the Asian Games.
Now - some of you might have to realize first what is at stake to understand just little better WHY fixing could be of major proportions...
Gold medalists in that competition (Asian games are held every 4 years - just like the Olympics) would receive $250000.oo - YES, you read it correctly QUORTER of the million dollars from respective governments (each country awards their athletes little different - but that is the ball park range..)
Qatar actually offered $150000.oo BONUS...so two of their bodybuilders (gold medalists) received $400000.oo EACH...
UAE (gold medal in question) offered $250000.oo, HOUSE and brand new Mercedes - to their winner...
Singapore (another BEYOND questionable gold medal) - $250000.oo plus undisclosed bonus...etc
Bob I don't understand your position. It is clear that you should be behind Milos 100% and defending him 100%. No IF"s ands or BUT's. Any double talk from you other than defending Milos is just more proof that you work for the IFBB and the brass and NOT the members. You can double talk all you want but you are WRONG and you know it so does everyone else. It doesn't matter even if Milos is wrong. you should be defending a member who has cometed more than any other and as shown his loyalty to the IFBB for allot of years. This incident proves without a doubt the IFBB is fucked up. SOmething is brought to their attention and they want to get rid of the source. And you sit back and do nothing about it. Dude honestly it would be much better if you quit or at least just admit you are the IFBB rep and have nothing to do with the members. Thank god you aren't an attorney. Your loyalty would be non-existent.
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Bob - do you question this?
Not at all...I just quoted your post to the guy talking about the poverty in Asia/ bodybuilding.
I didn't say I doubted your story, just that there are two sides to it....I'm sure theirs (Paul Chua, etc.) is different than your own...
As I stated previously...I wasn't there, you were.
To BIGNAV:
I havent attacked Milos, and consider him a friend...always have. Asking a few questions is a far cry from atacking someone...
ONLYME:
Goddam your still as clueless as they come...your first sentence pretty much sums it up. "I don't understand your position.."
Exactly...
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Not at all...I just quoted your post to the guy talking about the poverty in Asia/ bodybuilding.
I didn't say I doubted your story, just that there are two sides to it....I'm sure theirs (Paul Chua, etc.) is different than your own...
As I stated previously...I wasn't there, you were.
To BIGNAV:
I havent attacked Milos, and consider him a friend...always have. Asking a few questions is a far cry from atacking someone...
ONLYME:
Goddam your still as clueless as they come...your first sentence pretty much sums it up. "I don't understand your position.."
Exactly...
Yes I may be clueless on this issue but all I know is if I was called the IFBB Rep then I would be doing everything I could to defend one of the most popular, honest and dedicated IFBB pros in the world. It seems to me Milos has done an awful to try and improve the IFBB and yet when he discovers something not right he gets suspended. Just odd. But hey, I guess if you are used to not counting on your rep to defend the members and hug the nuts of the IFBB then nothing lost.
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Yes I may be clueless on this issue but all I know is if I was called the IFBB Rep then I would be doing everything I could to defend one of the most popular, honest and dedicated IFBB pros in the world. It seems to me Milos has done an awful to try and improve the IFBB and yet when he discovers something not right he gets suspended. Just odd. But hey, I guess if you are used to not counting on your rep to defend the members and hug the nuts of the IFBB then nothing lost.
what is part of the member services package?
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Not at all...I just quoted your post to the guy talking about the poverty in Asia/ bodybuilding.
I didn't say I doubted your story, just that there are two sides to it....I'm sure theirs (Paul Chua, etc.) is different than your own...
As I stated previously...I wasn't there, you were.
To BIGNAV:
I havent attacked Milos, and consider him a friend...always have. Asking a few questions is a far cry from atacking someone...
ONLYME:
Goddam your still as clueless as they come...your first sentence pretty much sums it up. "I don't understand your position.."
Exactly...
Bob...are you going to repeat "there is two sides to every story" when you make the claim about something?
There is also a "killer's side" of the story...regarding a murder...
Now Bob - why would you consider me a friend? Always had...as you said?
You see - as I said many times - I always respected you...for a reason...until recently (AGAIN for a reason)...
First - because I thought that you are honest and honorable guy...until (second) I saw you in action...
"Under pressure" you so easily changed the story...as you supposedly told me NO LESS THAN THREE TIMES (how about NEVER...And if actually you did...while first time I would consider taking it...second time I would put you in your place and ask you: "who do you think you are to tell me what to do?"...hence - truth of the matter YOU NEVER told me "you had it under control"...)
Point is: if you considered me a friend...I would certainly expect A SINGLE phone call and possibly interest and concern...asking me WHAT HAPPENED THERE IN Doha...?
As you never did...it is clear to me who's side you are on...
Maybe the side that appointed you to be "athlete's representative"...as athletes certainly didn't vote for you...
Now - do you actually care what happened over there...and IF integrity of the IFBB is actually being questioned?
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So Milos, I have't been following the situation too closely. Yes I think your guy was better conditioned and deserved the win. I don't know if you accused anyone of anything. (too many threads started and I don't want to sift through them all).
My question is, were you suspended from the IFBB? I heard that you may compete this year, if so will it be in the PDI?
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Bob...are you going to repeat "there is two sides to every story" when you make the claim about something?
There is also a "killer's side" of the story...regarding a murder...
You're right...and often, things do not appear as they seem. That's why we have a justice system, or in this case...a process which should be followed, which you chose to ignore.
Now Bob - why would you consider me a friend? Always had...as you said?
You see - as I said many times - I always respected you...for a reason...until recently (AGAIN for a reason)...
First - because I thought that you are honest and honorable guy...until (second) I saw you in action...
"Under pressure" you so easily changed the story...as you supposedly told me NO LESS THAN THREE TIMES (how about NEVER...And if actually you did...while first time I would consider taking it...second time I would put you in your place and ask you: "who do you think you are to tell me what to do?"...hence - truth of the matter YOU NEVER told me "you had it under control"...)
Now I know there are truly two sides, as you cant even recall the simplest of details...There were no less than 20 people that will verify that I did, in fact, turn to you AT LEAST three times...and tell you "Milos...I've got it..." Milos..hang on...", etc....
Who am I to tell you? I'm the athletes representative who was addressing the situation at hand with the head judge...I don't recall asking for your assistance. You aint putting anyone in their place, let alone me.
Point is: if you considered me a friend...I would certainly expect A SINGLE phone call and possibly interest and concern...asking me WHAT HAPPENED THERE IN Doha...?
Funny...I didn't get a call from you, either. Why didn't you pick up the phone to alert your A rep of the happenings in Doha? You certainly knew before I did...
As you never did...it is clear to me who's side you are on...
Maybe the side that appointed you to be "athlete's representative"...as athletes certainly didn't vote for you...
Now - do you actually care what happened over there...and IF integrity of the IFBB is actually being questioned?
I always care if the integrity of the IFBB is being followed, and If fair treatment is being given to our athletes...that's why I fight for the changes I have...difference is, I go through the proper channels and actualy get things done.Talking louder and taking matters into your own hands has done nothing so far, except get BB dropped from the games and cost athletes a lot of money in the future
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Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o
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Milos you need more detail in your posts.
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Grown men. Pro bodybuilders. Bitching to each other on internet fourms.Too freakin funny!
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Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o
You just need this............. ;D
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You just need this............. ;D
You need this
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You need this
Umm please look at yourself. Vince where have you been. We miss yo on here. When are you competing again. Please show us some new pics.
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Here are just two examples to confirm what everyone is thinking when they post your picture as "Bob - the puppet".
Picture says it all...and unfortunately is Oh so accurate...
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LOL funny oh boy that was funny see you later mr aceto
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Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o
Ripping you a "few new holes" was (is...and always will be) - my true enjoyment... ;)...
Interestingly, "Therapist" comes to your mind... ::)
Is it that bad already? ;D...
Have I already shot a Sugary sheriff? ;D
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Milos, you need a freaking Therapist before you shoot up the entire world! :o
Ripping you a "few new holes" was (is...and always will be) - my true enjoyment... ;)...
Interestingly, "Therapist" comes to your mind... ::)
Is it that bad already? ;D...
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Milos you need more detail in your posts.
:-[...I'll try harder... ;)
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Talking about that Paul Chua - well, I know for a fact that this guy is very controversial even in his home country of the Philippines where two years ago, most of the veteran and name bodybuilders left the Philippine Federation where Paul Chua is the head in protest against him. These veteran bodybuilders were unanimous in crying out foul play and corruption and they vowed that they would not have anything to do with the Philippine bodybuilding federation as long as Paul Chua remained its head. So much for bodybuilding in the Philippines that is why there is a sudden decline in the sport here and so many of the promising Philippine greats have joined and created independent associations of their own. So you will see now in the Philippines most of the humongous, veteran bodybuilders are now joining competitions such as MuscleMania, Nabba events instead of representing the country in IFBB international meets - all because they protest against all the foul play and corruption by this Paul Chua.
That's what I have witnessed here in the Philippines. Most of the competitors for the Mr. Philippines are all newbies and are a far cry from the quality veteran bodybuilders who have left the PBBF (Philippine Bodybuilders Federation). Bodybuilding in the Philippines is declining.
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Paul Chua is from Singapore
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Talking about that Paul Chua - well, I know for a fact that this guy is very controversial even in his home country of the Philippines where two years ago, most of the veteran and name bodybuilders left the Philippine Federation where Paul Chua is the head in protest against him. These veteran bodybuilders were unanimous in crying out foul play and corruption and they vowed that they would not have anything to do with the Philippine bodybuilding federation as long as Paul Chua remained its head. So much for bodybuilding in the Philippines that is why there is a sudden decline in the sport here and so many of the promising Philippine greats have joined and created independent associations of their own. So you will see now in the Philippines most of the humongous, veteran bodybuilders are now joining competitions such as MuscleMania, Nabba events instead of representing the country in IFBB international meets - all because they protest against all the foul play and corruption by this Paul Chua.
That's what I have witnessed here in the Philippines. Most of the competitors for the Mr. Philippines are all newbies and are a far cry from the quality veteran bodybuilders who have left the PBBF (Philippine Bodybuilders Federation). Bodybuilding in the Philippines is declining.
Paul Chua is not from Philippines...but high officials of EVERY Asian country could confirm Paul Chua's foul play for DECADES...
As truth finds the way out - sooner or later...Paul Chua will get what he deserves...and that is certain.
It is ONLY MATTER OF TIME...and that time is fastly approaching.
Yes, so far his word has "more weight" than mine...but we'll see what future brings.
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Perhaps the WarHorse needs to visit Mr Cow...or chia....whatever.
This could be an eye-closing experiance for him.....Just say the word Milos!!! ARRRGGGGHHHHH :o ;D
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So Bob...here are your concerns:
1) I always care if the integrity of the IFBB is being followed, and If fair treatment is being given to our athletes...that's why I fight for the changes I have...difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done.Talking louder and taking matters into your own hands has done nothing so far, except get BB dropped from the games and cost athletes a lot of money in the future
2) Funny...I didn't get a call from you, either. Why didn't you pick up the phone to alert your A rep of the happenings in Doha? You certainly knew before I did...
3) Now I know there are truly two sides, as you cant even recall the simplest of details...There were no less than 20 people that will verify that I did, in fact, turn to you AT LEAST three times...and tell you "Milos...I've got it..." Milos..hang on...", etc....
Who am I to tell you? I'm the athletes representative who was addressing the situation at hand with the head judge...I don't recall asking for your assistance. You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me.
4) You're right...and often, things do not appear as they seem. That's why we have a justice system, or in this case...a process which should be followed, which you chose to ignore.
Here are my answers:
#1)
"difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done"
- Let's focus on this statement for a moment Bob.
What things are you talking about?
Name a single one - that is actually requested BY THE ATHLETES...
Maybe - after countless meetings, putting everything in writing...and PROPER CHANNELS - you have accomplished to get us MORE COMPARISONS starting 2007...exactly with the Ironman. That is your ONLY accomplishment worth mentioning - but WHAT WAS A RESULT after all?
Result of your PROPER CHANNELING and SUCCESSFULLY accomplishing THE ONLY THING athletes actually ASK YOU TO DO...was...? ::)
We had EVEN LESS COMPARISONS than usual!? (or you would deny that?)
But, when we are at this subject - if you didn't notice (or still don't realize) - I WENT THERE TO SUPPORT YOU and give you a helping hand...
Your efforts to get us what we need, what we should have for years and what every IFBB pro desperately ask for (literally CRYING FOR) is: opportunity to compete...failed miserably - AGAIN, and again...and again...
I was only asking those judges to realize that having no comparisons means COMPLETE disrespect to many athletes who put their hearts and souls...and a last penny - into preparation for the contest...hoping to be allowed to COMPETE...
Any competitor who was compared repeatedly with numerous others - would have NO PROBLEM accepting "dead last place"...IF he was compared...but accepting ANY place without having the opportunity to fight for higher is TRAGIC.
I know - as I talk to so many of them...
So, after YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST EFFORTS...and doing it through proper channels...being politically correct - YOU MISERABLY FAILED AGAIN.
You didn't get us what you promised...and what supposedly JIM MANION TOLD YOU...(not any of us...as we simply were not there...)
THIS IS WHY - I have no problem saying what I am saying...and I absolutely meant NO HARM...to anyone...especially Sandy or any particular judge...
"My fault" was that I said: "Please judges - realize that you are NOT respecting these athletes by not allowing them to be compared.
You are NOT RESPECTING their efforts and inhuman sacrifices in preparation for this (or any other contest)...so PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.
And even if you are absolutely SURE about your placements - why would you think that few extra comparisons would not be a "good idea" for fans, magazines, photographers...and of course bodybuilders...and BODYBUILDING!
I was crucified for saying that...and actually "called out" for physical confrontation....Huh
Certainly - if I was raging and without control...things would have been much worse...but contrary what last Athletes rep (read even worse failure in that aspect...well - speaking of him it is enough to say - failure in EVERY aspect...) - I am always IN CONTROL!
To sum it up Bob...
I know your efforts...and we've seen your results.
Maybe we should ask the athletes this time around to really express what they want...and actually have their requests PUBLISHED so everyone would see them (speaking of the PROPER CHANELS Wink)
Now - I do want to mention another important thing:
CHANGES that happened so far (first round especially) is something that athletes didn't ask for...just like request to stop judging the posing round.
Here are just two examples to confirm what everyone is thinking when they post your picture as "Bob - the puppet".
Picture says it all...and unfortunately is Oh so accurate...
You even went into cocky explanation that regardless what I say - things will happen as you are suggesting (at the time it was: request to stop judging POSING ROUND..)
And only when I requested from you names and signatures of more than 50 % of the IFBB pros - you changed the story and decided to talk to me (should I say: compromise...)
Well, that is my point...
As I am taking the flight in an hour - I can't finish what I started...but I promise I will...(as always - addressing each and every concern and question...)
I must say that you are absolutely MUCH better than Shawn in ability to answer every question as you are being asked...rather than selectively "filter" the questions you don't want to give your comments and answers to...(something Shawn does continuously...I wonder why?)
#2)
I didn't call you...as I find calling Rafael Santonja way more appropriate...
Besides Bob, I haven't seen NOTHING from your side that would make me think you are even remotely interested in helping the situation...
Do you understand WHAT am I fighting for in this Asian issue?
I fight for the ATHLETES...
All bodybuilders from Asia and the Middle East - as they don't have RIGHTS and CHANCE to win anything - due to disgusting practices of Mr. Paul Chua...
Also, I am being crucified for TRYING TO HELP THE ATHLETES...and sticking my neck out for them...and as your actions show - I didn't expect you would be interested to help me (as you are showing me now) - so I didn't bother calling...
#3)
"You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me."
No, you ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me Bob.
Who do you think you are to tell me - ANYTHING?
To hang on...as you got it Roll Eyes...etc...etc...
Obviously if you did "got it"...we wouldn't even have that discussion...and as YOU DIDN'T - I was there to find out for myself...
4) Everything I do..I DO IT MY WAY...and will continue doing it...
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???
Its a sad day.....theres a new hybrid bodybuilder called BOBSHAWN !!!!
Lord help us :'(
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MILOS.........BOB SHAWN WHAT CAN I SAY.......... ???
Lee - what do you say about this?
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So Bob...here are your concerns:
1) I always care if the integrity of the IFBB is being followed, and If fair treatment is being given to our athletes...that's why I fight for the changes I have...difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done.Talking louder and taking matters into your own hands has done nothing so far, except get BB dropped from the games and cost athletes a lot of money in the future
2) Funny...I didn't get a call from you, either. Why didn't you pick up the phone to alert your A rep of the happenings in Doha? You certainly knew before I did...
3) Now I know there are truly two sides, as you cant even recall the simplest of details...There were no less than 20 people that will verify that I did, in fact, turn to you AT LEAST three times...and tell you "Milos...I've got it..." Milos..hang on...", etc....
Who am I to tell you? I'm the athletes representative who was addressing the situation at hand with the head judge...I don't recall asking for your assistance. You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me.
4) You're right...and often, things do not appear as they seem. That's why we have a justice system, or in this case...a process which should be followed, which you chose to ignore.
Here are my answers:
#1)
"difference is, I go through the proper channels and actually get things done"
- Let's focus on this statement for a moment Bob.
What things are you talking about?
Name a single one - that is actually requested BY THE ATHLETES...
Maybe - after countless meetings, putting everything in writing...and PROPER CHANNELS - you have accomplished to get us MORE COMPARISONS starting 2007...exactly with the Ironman. That is your ONLY accomplishment worth mentioning - but WHAT WAS A RESULT after all?
Result of your PROPER CHANNELING and SUCCESSFULLY accomplishing THE ONLY THING athletes actually ASK YOU TO DO...was...? ::)
We had EVEN LESS COMPARISONS than usual!? (or you would deny that?)
But, when we are at this subject - if you didn't notice (or still don't realize) - I WENT THERE TO SUPPORT YOU and give you a helping hand...
Your efforts to get us what we need, what we should have for years and what every IFBB pro desperately ask for (literally CRYING FOR) is: opportunity to compete...failed miserably - AGAIN, and again...and again...
I was only asking those judges to realize that having no comparisons means COMPLETE disrespect to many athletes who put their hearts and souls...and a last penny - into preparation for the contest...hoping to be allowed to COMPETE...
Any competitor who was compared repeatedly with numerous others - would have NO PROBLEM accepting "dead last place"...IF he was compared...but accepting ANY place without having the opportunity to fight for higher is TRAGIC.
I know - as I talk to so many of them...
So, after YOUR ABSOLUTE BEST EFFORTS...and doing it through proper channels...being politically correct - YOU MISERABLY FAILED AGAIN.
You didn't get us what you promised...and what supposedly JIM MANION TOLD YOU...(not any of us...as we simply were not there...)
THIS IS WHY - I have no problem saying what I am saying...and I absolutely meant NO HARM...to anyone...especially Sandy or any particular judge...
"My fault" was that I said: "Please judges - realize that you are NOT respecting these athletes by not allowing them to be compared.
You are NOT RESPECTING their efforts and inhuman sacrifices in preparation for this (or any other contest)...so PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.
And even if you are absolutely SURE about your placements - why would you think that few extra comparisons would not be a "good idea" for fans, magazines, photographers...and of course bodybuilders...and BODYBUILDING!
I was crucified for saying that...and actually "called out" for physical confrontation....Huh
Certainly - if I was raging and without control...things would have been much worse...but contrary what last Athletes rep (read even worse failure in that aspect...well - speaking of him it is enough to say - failure in EVERY aspect...) - I am always IN CONTROL!
To sum it up Bob...
I know your efforts...and we've seen your results.
Maybe we should ask the athletes this time around to really express what they want...and actually have their requests PUBLISHED so everyone would see them (speaking of the PROPER CHANELS Wink)
no problem....if you think you have the support of the athletes over me...run against me at the next election.Now - I do want to mention another important thing:
CHANGES that happened so far (first round especially) is something that athletes didn't ask for...just like request to stop judging the posing round.
many athletes ave requested change, and I agree with those changes...there is no disadvantage to being allowed to showcae your physique with mandatory poses AND optional poses...Here are just two examples to confirm what everyone is thinking when they post your picture as "Bob - the puppet".
Picture says it all...and unfortunately is Oh so accurate...
You even went into cocky explanation that regardless what I say - things will happen as you are suggesting (at the time it was: request to stop judging POSING ROUND..)
my "cocky" explanation was in response to you questioning my efforts...you're right...I will continue to make changes as I see fit, reguardless of whether you agree or not.
And only when I requested from you names and signatures of more than 50 % of the IFBB pros - you changed the story and decided to talk to me (should I say: compromise...)
I didn't change shit....I got almost 100% positive response when I brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting...if athletes are that concerned with what i'm putting out there on their behalf, maybe they should start attending meetings.
Well, that is my point...
As I am taking the flight in an hour - I can't finish what I started...but I promise I will...(as always - addressing each and every concern and question...)
I must say that you are absolutely MUCH better than Shawn in ability to answer every question as you are being asked...rather than selectively "filter" the questions you don't want to give your comments and answers to...(something Shawn does continuously...I wonder why?)
#2)
I didn't call you...as I find calling Rafael Santonja way more appropriate...
Besides Bob, I haven't seen NOTHING from your side that would make me think you are even remotely interested in helping the situation...
Do you understand WHAT am I fighting for in this Asian issue?
I fight for the ATHLETES...
All bodybuilders from Asia and the Middle East - as they don't have RIGHTS and CHANCE to win anything - due to disgusting practices of Mr. Paul Chua...
Also, I am being crucified for TRYING TO HELP THE ATHLETES...and sticking my neck out for them...and as your actions show - I didn't expect you would be interested to help me (as you are showing me now) - so I didn't bother calling..
#3)
"You ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me."
No, you ain't putting anyone in their place, let alone me Bob.
Who do you think you are to tell me - ANYTHING?
To hang on...as you got it Roll Eyes...etc...etc...
Obviously if you did "got it"...we wouldn't even have that discussion...and as YOU DIDN'T - I was there to find out for myself...
4) Everything I do..I DO IT MY WAY...and will continue doing it...
Keep doing it "your way"....you just may be doing it in some other federation.
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has Milos been suspended?? shawn ray said the suspension would be hand delivered by himself april 29 at 9pm. if not, shawn looks pretty foolish again. it seems with every interaction between these two, Milos seems to gain support and shawn seems to gain more haters.
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Man Bob is looking worse and worse in this thread. I hope he gave up. It's embarrassing. And Sean, well what can you say.
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Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder" ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).
Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!
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Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder" ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).
Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!
Bob Chick:Did you read this ?
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Rumour has it,after Milos's statement towards ABBF big man Mr.Chua....the Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation(MBBF) is to take the brunt now.It is said that MBBF will have to make a formal apology(made known worldwide) towards Mr.Chua and also pay a fine of usd5000 or face a 3 year ban simply because the local sporting body made a "blunder" ::)? of engaging Milos's services where Milos later questioned the integrity of the whole judging system in Doha. ::).
Is this the way of the IFBB?Sounds like blackmail to me here!
Yep sounds about the way they do business. And Chic hasn't been able to get ahold of Manion for an answer yet. Give him a few moments. The time difference you know.
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****no problem....if you think you have the support of the athletes over me...run against me at the next election.
+++Well, there is a problem…When is the NEXT ELECTION…and when exactly was the previous – which you obviously won… ;)
****many athletes ave requested change, and I agree with those changes...there is no disadvantage to being allowed to showcae your physique with mandatory poses AND optional poses..
+++ Many athletes?
You have a list?
After all if MANY have asked…and you need only MAJORITY (over 50%) I am sure it is not going to be to hard for you to mention couple of hundred professionals who requested the change…now is it? ::)
Well, how about only 50?
After all – can you produce 25?
****my "cocky" explanation was in response to you questioning my efforts...you're right...I will continue to make changes as I see fit, reguardless of whether you agree or not.
+++ Regardless of whether ANYONE agrees or not!
Your cockiness is obviously due to your “protected status from above”…as after all – you were appointed as athlete’s rep – not chosen by us…
Changes that you see fit?
How about changes MAJORITY of athletes see fit?
*****I didn't change shit....I got almost 100% positive response when I brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting...if athletes are that concerned with what i'm putting out there on their behalf, maybe they should start attending meetings.
+++You got almost 100% positive response when you brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting?
Let’s see: total of 6 athletes showed up and you had 4 agree with you….Hmmmmm, you are right – almost 100% agree with you…
Way to go Bob.
Do you know WHY athletes don’t give a shoe to attend your meeting?
They know better…
****Keep doing it "your way".... you just may be doing it in some other federation.
+++ I just may continue in the same federation…regardless of possible suspension…
I never worked AGAINST the federation but FOR…and that’s what I am doing now…and sooner or later people will realize it.
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Bob Chick:Did you read this ?
So i guess there's no way someone from here can try and turn pro if MBBF gets banned from the IFBB huh?
PDI....here comes many participants from ASIA!!! LOL! ;D
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Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?
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Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?
milos doesnt hire rats or tranny fuckers....sean is both, plus fat
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Seems to me being a janitor in Milos's gym would be some sort of community service that Shawn could serve for that bum rap he tried to get Milos charged with.
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Seems to me I didn't think this one through. With Shawn as janitor he might be tempted to burn some rubbish out back of the gym and leave it unattended! Sorry, Milos. ;D
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Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?
Vince, an intelligent man like yourself would realize that Shawn is playing people like Milos for a fool. He is obviously bored and frustrated and enjoys getting a rise out of people.
Maybe i am wrong.
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I've kept up with the deal between Milos and Shawn and it seems to me that Shawn is jealous of Milos and the great gym he has.
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I've kept up with the deal between Milos and Shawn and it seems to me that Shawn is jealous of Milos and the great gym he has.
Vince, that is a fair assessment.
In your view what is the root cause of Shawn's bitter jealously and resentment of Milos? Is it more than the fact that Milos has a successful gym?
Serious question.
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****no problem....if you think you have the support of the athletes over me...run against me at the next election.
+++Well, there is a problem…When is the NEXT ELECTION…and when exactly was the previous – which you obviously won… ;)
I'll get the exact date for you...there was no previous, as Shawn stepped down. The job was posted on the IFBB site for any and all who was interested....apparently, I was the only only one who wanted it.
****many athletes ave requested change, and I agree with those changes...there is no disadvantage to being allowed to showcae your physique with mandatory poses AND optional poses..
+++ Many athletes?
You have a list?
After all if MANY have asked…and you need only MAJORITY (over 50%) I am sure it is not going to be to hard for you to mention couple of hundred professionals who requested the change…now is it? ::)
Well, how about only 50?
After all – can you produce 25?
I need 50%? According to who's rules...yours? I'm the representative...I make changes as I see fit, in the best interests of the IFBB athletes. If anyone has a problem with those changes, or disagrees...they are free to let me know as I see most of them throughout the year...to date...YOU are the only one complaining. If the athletes don't like my representation, they can choose to elect someone else next time...
****my "cocky" explanation was in response to you questioning my efforts...you're right...I will continue to make changes as I see fit, reguardless of whether you agree or not.
+++ Regardless of whether ANYONE agrees or not!
Your cockiness is obviously due to your “protected status from above”…as after all – you were appointed as athlete’s rep – not chosen by us…
Changes that you see fit?
How about changes MAJORITY of athletes see fit?
See above.
What changes do the "majority" want to see that hasn't ben addressed and/ or changed at this point? Talk specifics..
*****I didn't change shit....I got almost 100% positive response when I brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting...if athletes are that concerned with what i'm putting out there on their behalf, maybe they should start attending meetings.
+++You got almost 100% positive response when you brought up the idea at the last athletes meeting?
Let’s see: total of 6 athletes showed up and you had 4 agree with you….Hmmmmm, you are right – almost 100% agree with you…
Way to go Bob.
Do you know WHY athletes don’t give a shoe to attend your meeting?
They know better…
They don't attend because they don't care...simple as that. Obviously, they are content/ pleased with the job I'm doing judging by the overwhelming ZERO complaints I've received so far. You can check the results and my % of getting proposals approved from the last 3 meetings if you wish.
****Keep doing it "your way".... you just may be doing it in some other federation.
+++ I just may continue in the same federation…regardless of possible suspension…
I never worked AGAINST the federation but FOR…and that’s what I am doing now…and sooner or later people will realize it.
Tough to continue doing anything when/ if you're suspended...unfortunatel y, you won't have a voice or any clout to be heard. You wanted to be a one man army...do things "your way"...that was your choice, Instead of working with me, and within the system to get somewhere and make change.
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Hey, Bob, any idea when the next election for IFBB pro athlete's rep is going to be held?
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Hey, Bob, any idea when the next election for IFBB pro athlete's rep is going to be held?
I would assume at the annual meeting held Olympia weekend.
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Tough to continue doing anything when/ if you're suspended...unfortunatel y, you won't have a voice or any clout to be heard. You wanted to be a one man army...do things "your way"...that was your choice, Instead of working with me, and within the system to get somewhere and make change.
BOB:
I'll get the exact date for you...there was no previous, as Shawn stepped down. The job was posted on the IFBB site for any and all who was interested....apparently, I was the only only one who wanted it.
Apparently – you were the ONLY ONE who knew about it…
Now, we all know what happened when Shawn was trying to get that position…
We needed to VOTE and MORE THAN 50% of the IFBB professionals had to agree for Shawn to be our representative for him (hence there is the answer for your question about above 50% of the pro’s rule).
I know very well how many of my European friends (IFBB professionals I had to contact and ask to give Shawn their support…) and we all know what happen at the Olympia when we came up with those few extra votes needed for MAJORITY number (or OVER 50%)…
BOB:
I need 50%? According to who's rules...yours? I'm the representative...I make changes as I see fit, in the best interests of the IFBB athletes. If anyone has a problem with those changes, or disagrees...they are free to let me know as I see most of them throughout the year...to date...YOU are the only one complaining. If the athletes don't like my representation, they can choose to elect someone else next time...
Read previous answer…
Obviously I don’t make the rules….
If Wayne requested from us before – it is logical to believe that indeed THERE IS a “majority” (or over51%) rule.
You CANNOT make a changes as YOU SEE IT FIT – and that is exactly what you are doing – ABUSING YOUR POSITION.
Changes that only YOU and handful of others see appropriate.
You say “in the best interest of the IFBB athletes”?
Give me ONE EXAMPLE…
Also, I am not the only one complaining… A LOT OF OTHERS are not happy…but most of them just don’t bother being involved (thus nobody even attends your “athletes meetings” as they consider it COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME).
BOB:
See above.
What changes do the "majority" want to see that hasn't been addressed and/ or changed at this point? Talk specifics..
How about exactly:
#1) MORE COMPARISONS…
This is absolutely number one priority – and due to your “proper channel” approach – it took us many years to finally be considered…than even heard and understood…and finally – ACCEPTED…
According to you AFTER A LONG WAIT – starting with 2007 season you officially got us what we’ve been waiting for…= MORE COMPARISONS.
Do I really need to remind you what happened at the Ironman?
Now, regardless of what you are going to say (and indeed you told Jim Manion that I was running there and screaming at Sandy…when in reality I went there to ASK what happened?
I politely reminded you about what you informed us (to expect more comparisons) and than made a comment to judges: “Please understand that EVERYONE here would love to see MORE comparisons – starting with the athletes, than fans, photographers, reporters….magazine editors…etc…but mostly: THE ATHLETES.
You don’t seem to disagree with me about the subject (need of more comparisons) but about my approach?
While yours obviously failed AGAIN…and AGAIN…I purposely pointed out THE MOST IMPORTANT issue in this whole situation…and that is RESPECT!
I wanted to “hit the nerve” and tell the truth about:
“If you don’t realize – by not letting the athletes fight/compete for their placing you are disrespecting their hard work and tremendous sacrifices they have to endure to look the way they do…
I know that most of the judges DO LOVE athletes…
I have no doubts that Jim Manion see us all as his sons (as he told me that so many times), I am sure that Big Steve also loves and cares for the athletes as he was step by step next to Bev…than Dorian…and God knows how many people from his gym…
John Tuman (who had a problem with that statement) only got insulted because he DOES care (his training partner is competitive NPC competitor)…so I know that when I put in prospective THE TRUTH (lack of comparisons = lack of respect for the athletes) – they WOULD THINK ABOUT IT…and MAKE THE CHANGE…
Rather than being politically correct and following certain “proper channels” which produced NO RESULTS year after year…I think that “my way” is just a little bit better – as people WILL THINK about what is really going on here…
Now, with all the attacks on me…and even physical challenges issued – I think I handled myself very professionally and besides being accused of “uncontrollable raging bull” – I didn’t even thought about starting the fight…
Again, I am working for the athletes…and at the same time I respect the officials.
Just because I am pointing out to them their mistakes – and some are just too sensitive to admit their mistakes – we came to this…
But, I am sure that if we just all get together and openly discuss this issue – we would find the best solution in no time.
And to mention OTHER changes:
#2) Published scores with Individual judging score sheets
#3) Increased prize money
#4) Increased number of shows
#5) Better judging system (with ways to “measure” subjectivity…and I DO HAVE A SYSTEM that would make A LOT OF SENSE TO EVERYONE…)…etc
#6) Medical coverage
#7) Gazillion OTHER issues…
BOB:
They don't attend because they don't care...simple as that. Obviously, they are content/ pleased with the job I'm doing judging by the overwhelming ZERO complaints I've received so far. You can check the results and my % of getting proposals approved from the last 3 meetings if you wish.
Yes, I wish to check EVERYTHING you care to share with me…
Also, I would LOVE to see how many pros would send you their approval and claim they are pleased with the job you are doing…
Care to send the questionnaire to all the pros and have their responses publicly revealed?
BOB:
Tough to continue doing anything when/ if you're suspended...unfortunatel y, you won't have a voice or any clout to be heard. You wanted to be a one man army...do things "your way"...that was your choice, Instead of working with me, and within the system to get somewhere and make change.
Tough is the way I live…and suspended or not means nothing to me – other than – I will have to work around the suspension – and find the way to be “unsuspended”…
I don’t want to be a “one man army”…but as some warriors say: “I might be the only one…but I am the ONE you have to deal with…”
Fighting for the right cause makes a fighter that much more dangerous…
It is not the number…or a weapons…or anything else that matters…IT IS HEART what makes all the difference.
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Milos, maybe you can give Shawn a job as janitor in your gym?
He isn't qualified
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WELL MILOS....TALKING TO BOB AND SHAWN IS LIKE TALKING TO A WALL......THEY ARE IFBB PUPPETS WHO HAVE NO MORE LIFE IN BB...SO THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND SAY WHAT THE IFBB INSTRUCTS THEM TO SAY......BOB AND HIS WORK WITH ME BULLSHIT IS GETTING OLD....ALL WHAT HE HAS CHANGED...BULLSHIT....YO U DID NOTHING MANION CHANGED IT IT WAS GOING THAT WAY ANYWAY..YOU DID SHIT....HOW MANY ATHLETES COME TO YOU FOR ADVICE ON THIER CAREERS BOB???? BUT ENOUGH OF THAT THE WHOLE IFBB IS A FUCKING JOKE AND UNTIL THE ATHLETES TAKE A STAND WITH OUT BOB(WHO THEY DONT NEED) THE ATHLETES HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE SHIT....IF THEY STOOD TOGETHER.....THE IFBB WOULD BE FUCKED...WHY THEY CANT SEE THAT IS BEYOND ME...........ITS ALL A FUCKIN JOKE.....RULE BOOK AND CODE OF CONDUCT......NOW THAT IS PRICELESS.
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I only met Milos once and it was the typical meet/greet at a show he guest posed at.
He seemed like a really intelligent decent guy. What is all the fuss about over him???
I am out of the loop on this one and ignorant of anything he did/didn't do?????
Thanks for any legit info on him. Howard
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Do any of the "powers that be" read this board?
in between their Spermathons? Doubt it.
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Do any of the "powers that be" read this board?
Wow, the IFBB must be a hell of an organization when “company” business has to be conducted on a public message board
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The good news is that the Asian games will still be keeping squash, bowling, and dragon boat racing.
What about ice curling???? I await your response with baded breath!!!
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He told Paul Chua what's what is all.
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Hey, Bob, tell us:
Must be hurting real bad the spanking you are getting from Milos, isn't it?! Ouch.....
Quit posting on this thread, man.....in fact, quit being athletes rep. You owe it to your biography. You owe it to your daughter, man....Stick to doing the fitshow programs and other MCing and shows, you are perfect at that. But please, quit the more political jobs in bodybuilding, buddy...
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Ok PBW Milos and Lee vs. Bob Shawn and Dan can be in the middle. Now theres a show worth listining too
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I only met Milos once and it was the typical meet/greet at a show he guest posed at.
He seemed like a really intelligent decent guy. What is all the fuss about over him???
I am out of the loop on this one and ignorant of anything he did/didn't do?????
Thanks for any legit info on him. Howard
The big deal i that Milos stands up for the bodybuilder he trains. If he feels they have been screwed, he lets the judges know. Bob Chic has a problem with the way Milos went about expressing himself to judges at the Ironman, and Bob also feels that it is Milos fault that bodybuilding and IFBB pros are not welcomed to compete in some parts of Asia. Shawn Ray has also put his two cent into this, but he is a rat and and dodges questions that are asked directly to him, so his opinion is worth as much as three day old sh1t.
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Yeah, one can summarize it with, Milos is a stand-up guy that doesn't hold back the words.
He tells it how he sees it.
It's a pity tho that Milos guy didn't win, since i do believe he deserved it.
If Paul Chua is shady or not i'll let the experts comment about.
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Finally, Bob, explains how things work in the IFBB. You do as you are told and don't rock the
system boat.
Bob said:Tough to continue doing anything when/ if you're suspended...unfortunatel y, you won't have a voice or any clout to be heard. You wanted to be a one man army...do things "your way"...that was your choice, Instead of working with me, and within the system to get somewhere and make change.
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Lee Priest is the only one who makes sense. If all the athletes decided to sit out for even part of a year, the IFBB would scramble to please them. If the MD athletes were part of it, then some big names would have em by the nuts....
If some schmoe millionaire is reading this then get off your bumpkis and save our sorry excuse for a sport...
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There are so many bodybuilders who would do just about anything to win a major title that when some boycott a contest others line up ready to win instead. This happened in 1981 when some champs boycotted the Olympia.
When Lee Priest was suspended recently that meant other guys moved up a notch. The mob will never control the IFBB because each and every bodybuilder is desperate to win a title.
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There are so many bodybuilders who would do just about anything to win a major title that when some boycott a contest others line up ready to win instead. This happened in 1981 when some champs boycotted the Olympia.
When Lee Priest was suspended recently that meant other guys moved up a notch. The mob will never control the IFBB because each and every bodybuilder is desperate to win a title.
Bunch of desperate pussy's. They need to get real jobs, like derik Anthony...an honest citizen if there ever was one......
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BOB:
I'll get the exact date for you...there was no previous, as Shawn stepped down. The job was posted on the IFBB site for any and all who was interested....apparently, I was the only only one who wanted it.
Apparently – you were the ONLY ONE who knew about it…
Now, we all know what happened when Shawn was trying to get that position…
We needed to VOTE and MORE THAN 50% of the IFBB professionals had to agree for Shawn to be our representative for him (hence there is the answer for your question about above 50% of the pro’s rule).
I know very well how many of my European friends (IFBB professionals I had to contact and ask to give Shawn their support…) and we all know what happen at the Olympia when we came up with those few extra votes needed for MAJORITY number (or OVER 50%)…
Ignorance is not an excuse..if you didn't know, thats YOUR problem. The President has the option to appoint a replacement in the event of an official stepping dowm, etc...as per the rules. That's what he did....once again, if you don't like my success rate and changes....run for it yourself.
Shawn and I are the ones who created the position, as we felt we (the athletes) needed a voice...Wayne was the one who made up whatever rule of election he wanted...thE 50% rule was for getting elected, not making changes...that's up to whoever is the rep, they (the IFBB) doesn't dictate how we run our own rep position.
BOB:
I need 50%? According to who's rules...yours? I'm the representative...I make changes as I see fit, in the best interests of the IFBB athletes. If anyone has a problem with those changes, or disagrees...they are free to let me know as I see most of them throughout the year...to date...YOU are the only one complaining. If the athletes don't like my representation, they can choose to elect someone else next time...
Read previous answer…
Obviously I don’t make the rules….
If Wayne requested from us before – it is logical to believe that indeed THERE IS a “majority” (or over51%) rule.
You CANNOT make a changes as YOU SEE IT FIT – and that is exactly what you are doing – ABUSING YOUR POSITION.
Changes that only YOU and handful of others see appropriate.
You say “in the best interest of the IFBB athletes”?
Give me ONE EXAMPLE…
Also, I am not the only one complaining… A LOT OF OTHERS are not happy…but most of them just don’t bother being involved (thus nobody even attends your “athletes meetings” as they consider it COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME).
Apparently it's not a waste of time, as the very proposals I submit, could be altered on a majority vote...if they choose not to attend, then they cannot bitch about the changes made on their behalf.
And...I can indeed make changes as I see fit, as I have and as I will continue to do so...It's not an abuse of power, it's called taking charge and making decisions...so far, I have yet to hear of one single complaint (other than you)...better money, health care, tickets, judging changes, rule changes, increased per diem...
BOB:
See above.
What changes do the "majority" want to see that hasn't been addressed and/ or changed at this point? Talk specifics..
How about exactly:
#1) MORE COMPARISONS…
This is absolutely number one priority – and due to your “proper channel” approach – it took us many years to finally be considered…than even heard and understood…and finally – ACCEPTED…
It took many years, because we had no voice and no say in the matter....before my time..why werent YOU doing anything about it??[/b]
According to you AFTER A LONG WAIT – starting with 2007 season you officially got us what we’ve been waiting for…= MORE COMPARISONS.
Do I really need to remind you what happened at the Ironman?
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
Now, regardless of what you are going to say (and indeed you told Jim Manion that I was running there and screaming at Sandy…when in reality I went there to ASK what happened?
I politely reminded you about what you informed us (to expect more comparisons) and than made a comment to judges: “Please understand that EVERYONE here would love to see MORE comparisons – starting with the athletes, than fans, photographers, reporters….magazine editors…etc…but mostly: THE ATHLETES.
You don’t seem to disagree with me about the subject (need of more comparisons) but about my approach?
[b]PLEASE...Your approach was anything BUT polite and soft spoken. It was your approach which inflamed the situation and made what was to be a productive discussion into a shouting match. Tuman took offense because you were telling him he was disrespecting the athletes...Amazing how much more mild mannered you are in your recolection....25 others will disagree.[/glow]
While yours obviously failed AGAIN…and AGAIN…I purposely pointed out THE MOST IMPORTANT issue in this whole situation…and that is RESPECT!
I wanted to “hit the nerve” and tell the truth about:
“If you don’t realize – by not letting the athletes fight/compete for their placing you are disrespecting their hard work and tremendous sacrifices they have to endure to look the way they do…
I know that most of the judges DO LOVE athletes…
I have no doubts that Jim Manion see us all as his sons (as he told me that so many times), I am sure that Big Steve also loves and cares for the athletes as he was step by step next to Bev…than Dorian…and God knows how many people from his gym…
John Tuman (who had a problem with that statement) only got insulted because he DOES care (his training partner is competitive NPC competitor)…so I know that when I put in prospective THE TRUTH (lack of comparisons = lack of respect for the athletes) – they WOULD THINK ABOUT IT…and MAKE THE CHANGE…
The change was already made...we didn't need any pearls of wisdom from you to help. As explained, it was simply Sandy not being informed of the changes, as she was not in atendance at the meetings....I did my job.Rather than being politically correct and following certain “proper channels” which produced NO RESULTS year after year…I think that “my way” is just a little bit better – as people WILL THINK about what is really going on here…
Now, with all the attacks on me…and even physical challenges issued – I think I handled myself very professionally and besides being accused of “uncontrollable raging bull” – I didn’t even thought about starting the fight…
You can think whatever you want...Flex Wheeler put it to you as bluntly as anyone can. You were brash, confrontational and LOUD...anything but respectful. No one said you were uncontrolable. As said previously...your help wasn't needed at the time and made a spectacle out of what should have been a simple discussion.Again, I am working for the athletes…and at the same time I respect the officials.
Just because I am pointing out to them their mistakes – and some are just too sensitive to admit their mistakes – we came to this…
But, I am sure that if we just all get together and openly discuss this issue – we would find the best solution in no time.
And to mention OTHER changes:
#2) Published scores with Individual judging score sheets
#3) Increased prize money
#4) Increased number of shows
#5) Better judging system (with ways to “measure” subjectivity…and I DO HAVE A SYSTEM that would make A LOT OF SENSE TO EVERYONE…)…etc
#6) Medical coverage
#7) Gazillion OTHER issues…
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BOB:
They don't attend because they don't care...simple as that. Obviously, they are content/ pleased with the job I'm doing judging by the overwhelming ZERO complaints I've received so far. You can check the results and my % of getting proposals approved from the last 3 meetings if you wish.
Yes, I wish to check EVERYTHING you care to share with me…
Also, I would LOVE to see how many pros would send you their approval and claim they are pleased with the job you are doing…
Care to send the questionnaire to all the pros and have their responses publicly revealed?
[b]You can conduct all the polls you want...knock yourself out. Go for it.[/b]BOB:
Tough to continue doing anything when/ if you're suspended...unfortunatel y, you won't have a voice or any clout to be heard. You wanted to be a one man army...do things "your way"...that was your choice, Instead of working with me, and within the system to get somewhere and make change.
Tough is the way I live…and suspended or not means nothing to me – other than – I will have to work around the suspension – and find the way to be “unsuspended”…
I don’t want to be a “one man army”…but as some warriors say: “I might be the only one…but I am the ONE you have to deal with…”
Fighting for the right cause makes a fighter that much more dangerous…
It is not the number…or a weapons…or anything else that matters…IT IS HEART what makes all the difference.
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WELL MILOS....TALKING TO BOB AND SHAWN IS LIKE TALKING TO A WALL......THEY ARE IFBB PUPPETS WHO HAVE NO MORE LIFE IN BB...SO THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND SAY WHAT THE IFBB INSTRUCTS THEM TO SAY......BOB AND HIS WORK WITH ME BULLSHIT IS GETTING OLD....ALL WHAT HE HAS CHANGED...BULLSHIT....YO U DID NOTHING MANION CHANGED IT IT WAS GOING THAT WAY ANYWAY..YOU DID SHIT....HOW MANY ATHLETES COME TO YOU FOR ADVICE ON THIER CAREERS BOB???? BUT ENOUGH OF THAT THE WHOLE IFBB IS A FUCKING JOKE AND UNTIL THE ATHLETES TAKE A STAND WITH OUT BOB(WHO THEY DONT NEED) THE ATHLETES HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE SHIT....IF THEY STOOD TOGETHER.....THE IFBB WOULD BE FUCKED...WHY THEY CANT SEE THAT IS BEYOND ME...........ITS ALL A FUCKIN JOKE.....RULE BOOK AND CODE OF CONDUCT......NOW THAT IS PRICELESS.
Why do you care?
You're not in the IFBB anymore...focus on your PDI and your upcoming season (september to september).
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Chick, stop acting like a child.
Do your 'IFBB business' away from this adolescent-message-board.
Start acting like the professional that you claim to be!
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AND WHEN IS YOUR SEASON BOB???? OH THATS RIGHT IT IS OVER LIKE YOUR CAREER........I CARE ABOUT THE SHIT THE IFBB DOES TO THE ATHLETES...IF THESE GUYS HAD MONEY OUTSIDE THE IFBB THEY WOULD TELL YOU AND THE IFBB TO GO F U C K YOURSELF........
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Hate to say it but Bob was again owned by Lee!
I really can't understand how the IFBB keeps so much control over bodybuilders. Then I meet some and know exactly why. They don't have the guts to speak out about what they really feel. The IFBB punishes dissenters and everyone knows that. Lee is an example of what the IFBB does. Everyone else tows the line and they foolishly believe they are one step closer to a title.
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Bob, a word of advice; stop using this forum as a sounding box for the IFBB.
You are supposedly a representative for an alleged professional organisation.
Seriously Bob, you are acting totally inappropriately. Can't see you see the irony?
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AND WHEN IS YOUR SEASON BOB???? OH THATS RIGHT IT IS OVER LIKE YOUR CAREER........I CARE ABOUT THE SHIT THE IFBB DOES TO THE ATHLETES...IF THESE GUYS HAD MONEY OUTSIDE THE IFBB THEY WOULD TELL YOU AND THE IFBB TO GO F U C K YOURSELF........
LOL..thats funny. There's only one guy here thats thrown his career down the toilet...
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LOL..thats funny. There's only one guy here thats thrown his career down the toilet...
Bob, stop using this adolescent message-board to score points!
If you disagree with 'someone or something' in your organisation, deal with it through the appropriate professional-channels!
Surely you have the ability to self critique! The irony here is hilarious!
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LOL..thats funny. There's only one guy here thats thrown his career down the toilet...
Hey, Bob, you are a funny guy.
You talk like you made one hell of a carrer for yourself as a BODYBUILDING ATHLETE - not in the industry, which you succesfully made it, and I congratulate you for that.
It took you what? 20 years to turn pro? I am 31 and still have my old Muscle and Fitness from the 80s, back from the time they were awesome, not the toillet paper that they are today, and there were reports from the Nationals of that decade where you were competing , trying your way into the pros with a chicken body.
You dare talk to Priest lime you are at his level? Man, wake up and face the sun....
The guy, for starters, is awesome! His physique is something that you have to be born with. You don't turn yourself into that no matter what. Genetics at his best. The guy won 3 pro shows, even over a guy named Chris Cormier at his peak. Are you able to, maybe one day, tell your kid that in your time you beat a guy like Chris, and show her the pictures?
It's irritating to see you trying to diss Lee because he refused to be played for a puppet, like the other guys. It's a free world, why can' t you understand that maybe he's happier now that he doesn't feel like being raped by the powers that be?? Your replies to him reeks out pure jelousy. Jelousy because Lee is 1000 times the bodybuilder you only dream about to be, something that not even in your prime could be achievable. Man, matturity is a blessing. Quit the jealousy and start back to squat. Your legs are the worst in the pros. At least the smith machine would do you wonders......If someday you get tired of being the fake polititian that you pretend to be and notice that you're a missing the stage.
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Hey, Bob, you are a funny guy.
You talk like you made one hell of a carrer for yourself as a BODYBUILDING ATHLETE - not in the industry, which you succesfully made it, and I congratulate you for that.
careers are short lived in BB....my work in the industry will far exceed any career as a competing athlete.
It took you what? 20 years to turn pro? I am 31 and still have my old Muscle and Fitness from the 80s, back from the time they were awesome, not the toillet paper that they are today, and there were reports from the Nationals of that decade where you were competing , trying your way into the pros with a chicken body.
It took me 13 years...I wear it as a badge of determination, and persistance, and love for the sport...My "chicken body" was good enough to win the USA and turn professional in the IFBB.
You dare talk to Priest lime you are at his level? Man, wake up and face the sun....
How dare I....were not debating who is a better BB...try and follow along.
The guy, for starters, is awesome! His physique is something that you have to be born with. You don't turn yourself into that no matter what. Genetics at his best. The guy won 3 pro shows, even over a guy named Chris Cormier at his peak. Are you able to, maybe one day, tell your kid that in your time you beat a guy like Chris, and show her the pictures?
Yeah...beat him at the 91 Nationals, along with a whole bunch of guys that have done quite well at the Olympia level. I can tell my daughter many things I've done in my lifetime...beating Lee or Chris, etc...wouldn't be on my highlight reel.
It's irritating to see you trying to diss Lee because he refused to be played for a puppet, like the other guys. It's a free world, why can' t you understand that maybe he's happier now that he doesn't feel like being raped by the powers that be??
If he was happier, he wouldn't be talking like a guy who has a major chip on his shoulder, and has taken a huge financial hit, and still talks about the IFBB instead of his new federation.
Your replies to him reeks out pure jelousy. Jelousy because Lee is 1000 times the bodybuilder you only dream about to be, something that not even in your prime could be achievable. Man, matturity is a blessing. Quit the jealousy and start back to squat. Your legs are the worst in the pros. At least the smith machine would do you wonders......If someday you get tired of being the fake polititian that you pretend to be and notice that you're a missing the stage.
Jealous? Of what? You're right Lee is a much better BB than I am...I got news for you, there are a whole bunch of guys that are better than I am at this point....funny how I'M the one who's immature and jealous with my comments but Lee is not? Get off his nutsack for a minute and see the irony of your own posts.
BTW...I'm on the stage. Making a contribution to the Olympia, to my fellow athletes, and to the fans...
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Good post Cris, i like the words 'fake politician'
Chick, you are a fake politician.
Chick, tell the Getbiggers why you are using this adolescent message-board to make Political statements regarding the IFBB ??? Why, Why, Why ???
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Good post Cris, i like the words 'fake politician'
Chick, you are a fake politician.
Chick, tell the Getbiggers why you are using this adolescent message-board to make Political statements regarding the IFBB ??? Why, Why, Why ???
Name the poliical message I've made, you're refering to...
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You guys are failing to see the forest because of the trees ...........
Bob is actually a great guy doing a great job.
"THE BUCK STOPS HERE!" .... right there where Bob is standing.
He's the one who is putting up with all the complaints and shinanigans when, in fact, those very same complaints and shinanigans should be directed at a higher level.
In the military - you sacrifice the Privates so that the Generals can win the battle.
And Private Chick is doing one hell of a great job on the front lines while the Generals avoid the bullets beyond the battlefield.
I just hope that the Generals appreciate it and Chick doesn't end up with a Purple Heart with no one willing to pin it on his chest.
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Err...what is the topic of this thread again? ::)
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Proxie? Liason Officer might be more appropriate and get the antagoists off Bob's back.
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i really respect Milos on what he is doing for the Whole asian bodybuilders, and i DONT plame BOB or any IFBB in the state or Europe...the Real MAFIA is in Asia and Middle East.....lots of great bodybuilders Cant breath over here coz of this MAFIA with thier BOSS 8)
i know its not easy for Milos to win this War but if he DID,, i think he is the right guy to be The Asian bodybuilders Rep.
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i know its not easy for Milos to win this War but if he DID,, i think he is the right guy to be The Asian bodybuilders Rep.
You never know my friend!It may just be like that hehehee ;)
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Err...what is the topic of this thread again? ::)
According to Bernama.com,
SEA Games Federation Members To See Progress In Korat
By D. Arul Rajoo
BANGKOK, May 9 (Bernama) -- Members of the SEA Games Federation (SGF) will meet in Thailand's north-eastern city of Korat on June 4 and 5 to see the progress of preparations for the 24th SEA Games and decide on the appeal to include several sports, including bodybuilding, in the biennial sports meet for Southeast Asian countries.
SGF Council Member and President of the Thailand Badminton Association, Prof Charoen Wattanasin, said construction of stadiums, the games village and other facilities were going on according to schedule.
"We have no problem with the venues. All are being readied as planned. In fact, SGF members will be able to see the progress during the meeting next month," he said in an interview here.
Charoen said Thailand has allocated 1.462 billion baht (about RM152 million) to organise the Games from Dec 6 to 15, with the main venue in Korat and some events to be held in Bangkok and Pattaya.
But the highlight of next month's meeting will be Thailand's strong bid to include the controversial bodybuilding sport and waive Rule 36 of the SGF which disallows inclusion of new sports within 12 months of the Games' opening.
"In fact, bodybuilding was included initially but was dropped as the SGF council felt that it had been marred by bad judging in the past. This will be a controversial issue as we have to decide whether to follow the SEA Games ruling or make an exception," he said.
Furthermore, Charoen said, in the recent Olympic Council of Asia meeting in Kuwait, the medical committee presented a report stating that out of 15 violations related to prohibitive drugs, nine were committed in bodybuilding, and this resulted in the exclusion of the sport from the next Asian Games. Thailand wants to have nine bodybuilding events, including two for women.
The 24th edition of the biennial games will carry the theme of "Spirit, Friendship and Celebration" as the host nation expects more than 6,000 athletes and officials from 11 Southeast Asian countries to take part.
Charoen said a total of 41 sports have been confirmed for the Games, with 440 gold medals at stake. The last SEA Games in Thailand was held in the northern city of Chiang Mai in 1995.
Korat, located about 260km northeast of Bangkok, was picked by the Thai Government as Bangkok, which hosted four of the five SEA Games held in Thailand since the event started in 1959, will host the 2007 World University Games in August.
The province has already started the construction of a US$77 million (about RM262 million) sports complex which includes two indoor stadiums with a capacity for 5,000 and 2,000 spectators, a 20,000-capacity outdoor stadium and a 50-metre Olympic swimming pool.
The Games' opening date was picked to commemorate the 80th birth anniversary of King Bhumibol Adulyadej, the world's longest-reigning monarch.
Charoen also said the SGF would discuss Laos' preparation to host its inaugural SEA Games in 2009.
He said that initially the land-locked country wanted to host 22 sports but was planning to add three more to coincide with the 25th edition of the Games.
-- BERNAMA
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### The decision(Aug,2006) of" bodybuilding was dropped from The 2007 XXIV Southeast Asian Games." was before Doha Asian Games (Dec, 2006).
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Name the poliical message I've made, you're refering to...
Bob, you play politics everytime you post on this adolescent-message-board.
Your comments have sway/influence (i.e. they convey a political message) by the mere fact that you are a representative of the IFBB.
The greatest service that you could do for this organisation would be to desist in posting here.
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chick
because you influence IFBB policy they say it's political.
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LOL..thats funny. There's only one guy here thats thrown his career down the toilet...
LEAST I HAD ONE.....AND I WOULD RATHER TAKE A FINANCIAL HIT THEN PUT UP WITH THE IFBB SHIT..................I HAVE NO CHIP ON MY SHOULDER AT ALL...JUST BECASUE I SPEAK AGAINST YOU AND THE IFBB DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE A CHIP...JUST MEANS I HATE GUYS BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT...............AND YOU ARE THE FUCKIN RING LEADER.....ATHLETE REP MY ASS.......IFBB REP.....YOU USE THE WORD IFBB....MORE THEN ATHLETE REP.............YOU REPRESENT THE IFBB NO THE ATHLETES...SO JUST CALL IT WAS IT IS............
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LEAST I HAD ONE.....AND I WOULD RATHER TAKE A FINANCIAL HIT THEN PUT UP WITH THE IFBB SHIT..................I HAVE NO CHIP ON MY SHOULDER AT ALL...JUST BECASUE I SPEAK AGAINST YOU AND THE IFBB DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE A CHIP...JUST MEANS I HATE GUYS BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT...............AND YOU ARE THE FUCKIN RING LEADER.....ATHLETE REP MY ASS.......IFBB REP.....YOU USE THE WORD IFBB....MORE THEN ATHLETE REP.............YOU REPRESENT THE IFBB NO THE ATHLETES...SO JUST CALL IT WAS IT IS............
Why did you lie to ron on camera about you coming back to the IFBB? Ron is such a nice guy. Why did you do that to him? >:(
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Why did you lie to ron on camera about you coming back to the IFBB? Ron is such a nice guy. Why did you do that to him? >:(
why, did ron become an alcoholic over what lee said on tape?
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Lee, you are always so angry with Chick. And yes, you have the right to be, i suppose.
My question is; why do you use this message board to 'sound out' Bob?
Would it not be more beneficial if you both either sat down to talk, or just picked up the phone?
I just dont think using this forum is the best place to solve grievances and misunderstandings.
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LEAST I HAD ONE.....AND I WOULD RATHER TAKE A FINANCIAL HIT THEN PUT UP WITH THE IFBB SHIT..................I HAVE NO CHIP ON MY SHOULDER AT ALL...JUST BECASUE I SPEAK AGAINST YOU AND THE IFBB DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE A CHIP...JUST MEANS I HATE GUYS BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT...............AND YOU ARE THE FUCKIN RING LEADER.....ATHLETE REP MY ASS.......IFBB REP.....YOU USE THE WORD IFBB....MORE THEN ATHLETE REP.............YOU REPRESENT THE IFBB NO THE ATHLETES...SO JUST CALL IT WAS IT IS............
The only person that treated you like shit...is the guy you're working for right now. If you want to call it like it is, lets do just that...
Your "chip" is evident by your constant bitchin about the IFBB, etc.....even though you're no longer a part of it. If you had no regrets, you would be leading the charge on getting more guys to come join you with the PDI and talking up all the advantages and good points of being where you are.....
You're right, I am the ring leader...as I get more and more accomplished for the athletes (both men and women) more money, more appearances, contracts re-done (remember, the one you did n't like), better judging, more athletes getting paid at the Olympia (you remember, your boss didn't feel they decerved it?)
You keep blaming everything on Ben Weider, yet, under the same circumstances, no one has been fined since Jim took over....what a coincidence!!
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GAME, SET, MATCH! ;D
Advantage, CHIC!
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GAME, SET, MATCH! ;D
Advantage, CHIC!
There are no winners.
The IFBB is made to look like a B grade movie when Chick posts his thoughts here.
I just dont understand why people like Chick,Lee,Milos and even yourself would use a message board frequented primarily by adolescents to vent IFBB dogma. Please explain?
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There are no winners.
The IFBB is made to look like a B grade movie when Chick posts his thoughts here.
I just dont understand why people like Chick,Lee,Milos and even yourself would use a message board frequented primarily by adolescents to vent IFBB dogma. Please explain?
O.K....we heard you the first 50 times.
If you don't like it...don't post on the thread. Simple solution.
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hahahahah, "hank wood" reminds me of Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke getting beat up by George Kennedy, "stay down Luke!!" ;D
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O.K....we heard you the first 50 times.
If you don't like it...don't post on the thread. Simple solution.
That is my point Chick, you dont hear me!
And it has nothing to do with liking the thread, as you put it!
Again; Why are you using a message board primarily frequented by adolescents to air IFBB dogma?
And also, do you think this an appropriate and professional stance, taking into account that you are an IFBB representative?
You are an intelligent man Chick. I am interested in your thoughts.
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hank, shut up.
We appreciate having guys like chic,lee,milos,shawn etc... post here.
A lot of the adolescents that post here work out, spend money on gyms, supplements and who knows might be competing one day. The pros that post here are very generous for giving us their time. They appreciate bodybuilding and those that participate in it.
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....what is the topic of this thread???? ??? ???
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Chick, i am not mocking you for posting on a message board.
I just dont understand why a person in your position, with all your commitments and connections to this industry, would even bother posting on a board which has such a dubious reputation.
I just cant accept that this process is professional and meaningful.
I believe, it ultimately casts a negative light, on an organisation that already has its own problems with credibility!
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Chick, i am not mocking you for posting on a message board.
I just dont understand why a person in your position, with all your commitments and connections to this industry, would even bother posting on a board which has such a dubious reputation.
I just cant accept that this process is professional and meaningful.
I believe, it ultimately casts a negative light, on an organisation that already has its own problems with credibility!
...Or it brings light to some of the absurd accusations and conspiracy theories, etc...that never seem to go away.
I bring a perspective of someone that is on the inside, and makes change to our industry..whether people choose to believe it or not, is up to them.
Pick whatever side you want....
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Ignorance is not an excuse..if you didn't know, thats YOUR problem. The President has the option to appoint a replacement in the event of an official stepping dowm, etc...as per the rules. That's what he did....once again, if you don't like my success rate and changes....run for it yourself.
***Ignorance?
Let me ask you:
Did you see on the Internet (as you said on the IFBB.com website) official post that IFBB president is looking for interested IFBB pro to become ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE?
If so – can you post the link?
Can you name 10 other IFBB professionals who were aware of this?
Plain and simple – NOBODY KNEW…and why?
Because athlete’s representative SHOULD BE elected by the athletes.
Not long before – we all know what Shawn needed to go through to be elected…(Too bad he miserably failed – and walked away from his position – but that’s another story…)
Can you provide me (us) with the paragraph from the book of rules where The President has that option (to appoint a replacement)…
Now, everybody knows WHY you were “appointed” that position…and among the athletes (disgusted by the choice) – there is obvious dissatisfaction hence – NO SUPPORT….
Also, what kind of success rate are you talking about?
Your success is – getting exactly what you were TOLD to ask for…but sadly – not from the athletes…
Changes? What kind of changes did athletes asked you to make?
All the changes so far came as your “personal discussion with the office”…
Besides, as “office” requests from us to follow “proper channels” and put everything in writing…what happen with a written message to ALL THE ATHLETES – that indeed ATHLETES POSITION is available and for grabs…so interested athletes should send their application.
Once the office had a list of candidates – letter should have been sent to ALL the athletes and they could have easily give their votes.
I guess, proper procedure and “proper channels” are used ONLY one directional…
Shawn and I are the ones who created the position, as we felt we (the athletes) needed a voice...Wayne was the one who made up whatever rule of election he wanted...thE 50% rule was for getting elected, not making changes...that's up to whoever is the rep, they (the IFBB) doesn't dictate how we run our own rep position.
*****Shawn and you are the ones who created the position?
Please…
Position existed LONG AGO…but throughout the ages was lost…as not too many bodybuilders ever cared…
Since the 1991 I urged many athletes to form the position…to form the Union…and start ASKING FOR OUR RIGHTS…
I was reaching out to all the athletes even through the magazine articles (which I can possibly still find, scan it and post it here…) in early nineties…
Shawn was elected – as I made sure he gets DOZENS of votes from my European friends (IFBB professionals)…and I had to “smooth” many American pros who simply didn’t want to support “little prick” (as they so unanimously called him…
Anyway, POSITION of the ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE should have never been APOINTED and especially not given to any athlete (you) without previously informing the athletes…
Post on the www.ifbb.com is just NOT acceptable “excuse”…as everyone knows – hardly any athletes go to this site…(especially to look for IMPORTANT information).
All of us sure expect to be informed (official IFBB letter) about the issue of such an importance…Unless is done the way it was done – on purpose…
Apparently it's not a waste of time, as the very proposals I submit, could be altered on a majority vote...if they choose not to attend, then they cannot bitch about the changes made on their behalf.
*****Let’s be REAL…
Your athletes meetings are organized so MAJORITY of the athletes CANNOT attend it – anyway…
During the Olympia or AC – when even COMPETITORS competing don’t want to attend the meeting – as they would rather stay in the rooms minding their own business (read: preparing for the show)…
Others, especially INTERNATIONAL athletes simply do not have the funds to travel to US and attend the meetings – hence they have NO VOICE with the way you REPRESENT us…
It is not about CHOOSING not to attend Bob…it is simply INABILITY to attend…and you are TAKING MAJOR ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
Your decisions and changes are YOUR OWN…and without a shadow of the doubt YOU ARE GROSSLY ABUSING YOUR POSITION!
And I do emphasize: GROSSLY ABUSE!
It is very sad fact that you can change TRADITIONAL RULES set decades ago simply by suggesting to empty walls at one of your “well organized” and yet even better attended meetings and get almost unanimous approval (nobody complains as NOBODY is present).
And...I can indeed make changes as I see fit, as I have and as I will continue to do so...It's not an abuse of power, it's called taking charge and making decisions...so far, I have yet to hear of one single complaint (other than you)...better money, health care, tickets, judging changes, rule changes, increased per diem...
***** And, you are indeed making changes ONLY YOU SEE FIT at expense of all of us….
Sadly, I agree with you: YOU WILL CONTINUE ABUSING YOUR POSITION which should have no power to make such a changes WITHOUT MAJORITY APROVAL from the athletes…
You NEVER contacted dozens of athletes to find out WHAT they really think of your changes…so OFF COURSE you would not hear any complaints…as pros HAVE NO CLUE what you are doing…
Usually – they are informed about the changes as they show up at the contests…and at that time complaining is LAST thing they would think about…
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
*****Interestingly – it was NOT YOUR FAULT?
I thought you said “PROPER CHANNELS”…proper procedures…etc lead to RESULTS…
What happened?
PLEASE...Your approach was anything BUT polite and soft spoken. It was your approach which inflamed the situation and made what was to be a productive discussion into a shouting match. Tuman took offense because you were telling him he was disrespecting the athletes...Amazing how much more mild mannered you are in your recolection....25 others will disagree.
*****Amazing how you NEVER listen…
I said it CLEARLY that indeed I did say to Tuman that NOT GIVING THE ATHLETES COMPARISONS THEY DESERVED IS DISRESPECTING…
I chose my words carefully – so I will spell it out what is BOTTOM LINE.
And bottom line is: if you don’t give the athletes their chance to compete you are disrespecting all the hard work (LIFETIME OF HARD WORK) they did in preparation for the show.
If judges ONLY think about this statement – maybe they would realize what I am trying to say…
I didn’t disrespect the judges…I made sure to let them realize THE BOTTOM LINE (what really means NOT getting the callouts…)
You can think whatever you want...Flex Wheeler put it to you as bluntly as anyone can. You were brash, confrontational and LOUD...anything but respectful. No one said you were uncontrolable. As said previously...your help wasn't needed at the time and made a spectacle out of what should have been a simple discussion.
*****Flex didn’t say anything about me being disrespectful…He said that my approach is CONFRONTATIONAL and I should be “politically correct” and speak certain way…
I thanked him for his opinion and told him that he is indeed entitled to have his opinion + I know that he means well…but I WILL ALWAYS DO WHAT I THINK I SHOULD…and that will NEVER CHANGE.
I think before I do something…
You can conduct all the polls you want...knock yourself out. Go for it.
***** You should conduct the polls IF YOU REALLY CARE WHAT ATHLETES THINK…but we all know the truth…
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GAME, SET, MATCH! ;D
Advantage, CHIC!
With the same knockout punch you placed with your left eye onto my right fist...and won the fight by the artistic fall to the ground...dead cold ;)
Guys - PLEASE STOP...you are killing me ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Shawn - I can take you for breakfast - anyday...Bob is little different as he is deep down GOOD GUY...but he does play "political game" which is NOT my style...
So, I do have few words for him as well...but so far - he is playing fair...He doesn't make up things and bluntly lie like you do...
Anyway, please continue - as I just can't wait for your strong comebacks... ;)
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Shawn Ray doesn't like white people.
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Ignorance is not an excuse..if you didn't know, thats YOUR problem. The President has the option to appoint a replacement in the event of an official stepping dowm, etc...as per the rules. That's what he did....once again, if you don't like my success rate and changes....run for it yourself.
***Ignorance?
Let me ask you:
Did you see on the Internet (as you said on the IFBB.com website) official post that IFBB president is looking for interested IFBB pro to become ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE?
If so – can you post the link?
Can you name 10 other IFBB professionals who were aware of this?
Plain and simple – NOBODY KNEW…and why?
Because athlete’s representative SHOULD BE elected by the athletes.
Not long before – we all know what Shawn needed to go through to be elected…(Too bad he miserably failed – and walked away from his position – but that’s another story…)
Can you provide me (us) with the paragraph from the book of rules where The President has that option (to appoint a replacement)…
Now, everybody knows WHY you were “appointed” that position…and among the athletes (disgusted by the choice) – there is obvious dissatisfaction hence – NO SUPPORT….
Also, what kind of success rate are you talking about?
Your success is – getting exactly what you were TOLD to ask for…but sadly – not from the athletes…
Changes? What kind of changes did athletes asked you to make?
All the changes so far came as your “personal discussion with the office”…
Besides, as “office” requests from us to follow “proper channels” and put everything in writing…what happen with a written message to ALL THE ATHLETES – that indeed ATHLETES POSITION is available and for grabs…so interested athletes should send their application.
Once the office had a list of candidates – letter should have been sent to ALL the athletes and they could have easily give their votes.
I guess, proper procedure and “proper channels” are used ONLY one directional…
Shawn and I are the ones who created the position, as we felt we (the athletes) needed a voice...Wayne was the one who made up whatever rule of election he wanted...thE 50% rule was for getting elected, not making changes...that's up to whoever is the rep, they (the IFBB) doesn't dictate how we run our own rep position.
*****Shawn and you are the ones who created the position?
Please…
Position existed LONG AGO…but throughout the ages was lost…as not too many bodybuilders ever cared…
Since the 1991 I urged many athletes to form the position…to form the Union…and start ASKING FOR OUR RIGHTS…
I was reaching out to all the athletes even through the magazine articles (which I can possibly still find, scan it and post it here…) in early nineties…
Shawn was elected – as I made sure he gets DOZENS of votes from my European friends (IFBB professionals)…and I had to “smooth” many American pros who simply didn’t want to support “little prick” (as they so unanimously called him…
Anyway, POSITION of the ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE should have never been APOINTED and especially not given to any athlete (you) without previously informing the athletes…
Post on the www.ifbb.com is just NOT acceptable “excuse”…as everyone knows – hardly any athletes go to this site…(especially to look for IMPORTANT information).
All of us sure expect to be informed (official IFBB letter) about the issue of such an importance…Unless is done the way it was done – on purpose…
Apparently it's not a waste of time, as the very proposals I submit, could be altered on a majority vote...if they choose not to attend, then they cannot bitch about the changes made on their behalf.
*****Let’s be REAL…
Your athletes meetings are organized so MAJORITY of the athletes CANNOT attend it – anyway…
During the Olympia or AC – when even COMPETITORS competing don’t want to attend the meeting – as they would rather stay in the rooms minding their own business (read: preparing for the show)…
Others, especially INTERNATIONAL athletes simply do not have the funds to travel to US and attend the meetings – hence they have NO VOICE with the way you REPRESENT us…
It is not about CHOOSING not to attend Bob…it is simply INABILITY to attend…and you are TAKING MAJOR ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
Your decisions and changes are YOUR OWN…and without a shadow of the doubt YOU ARE GROSSLY ABUSING YOUR POSITION!
And I do emphasize: GROSSLY ABUSE!
It is very sad fact that you can change TRADITIONAL RULES set decades ago simply by suggesting to empty walls at one of your “well organized” and yet even better attended meetings and get almost unanimous approval (nobody complains as NOBODY is present).
And...I can indeed make changes as I see fit, as I have and as I will continue to do so...It's not an abuse of power, it's called taking charge and making decisions...so far, I have yet to hear of one single complaint (other than you)...better money, health care, tickets, judging changes, rule changes, increased per diem...
***** And, you are indeed making changes ONLY YOU SEE FIT at expense of all of us….
Sadly, I agree with you: YOU WILL CONTINUE ABUSING YOUR POSITION which should have no power to make such a changes WITHOUT MAJORITY APROVAL from the athletes…
You NEVER contacted dozens of athletes to find out WHAT they really think of your changes…so OFF COURSE you would not hear any complaints…as pros HAVE NO CLUE what you are doing…
Usually – they are informed about the changes as they show up at the contests…and at that time complaining is LAST thing they would think about…
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
*****Interestingly – it was NOT YOUR FAULT?
I thought you said “PROPER CHANNELS”…proper procedures…etc lead to RESULTS…
What happened?
PLEASE...Your approach was anything BUT polite and soft spoken. It was your approach which inflamed the situation and made what was to be a productive discussion into a shouting match. Tuman took offense because you were telling him he was disrespecting the athletes...Amazing how much more mild mannered you are in your recolection....25 others will disagree.
*****Amazing how you NEVER listen…
I said it CLEARLY that indeed I did say to Tuman that NOT GIVING THE ATHLETES COMPARISONS THEY DESERVED IS DISRESPECTING…
I chose my words carefully – so I will spell it out what is BOTTOM LINE.
And bottom line is: if you don’t give the athletes their chance to compete you are disrespecting all the hard work (LIFETIME OF HARD WORK) they did in preparation for the show.
If judges ONLY think about this statement – maybe they would realize what I am trying to say…
I didn’t disrespect the judges…I made sure to let them realize THE BOTTOM LINE (what really means NOT getting the callouts…)
You can think whatever you want...Flex Wheeler put it to you as bluntly as anyone can. You were brash, confrontational and LOUD...anything but respectful. No one said you were uncontrolable. As said previously...your help wasn't needed at the time and made a spectacle out of what should have been a simple discussion.
*****Flex didn’t say anything about me being disrespectful…He said that my approach is CONFRONTATIONAL and I should be “politically correct” and speak certain way…
I thanked him for his opinion and told him that he is indeed entitled to have his opinion + I know that he means well…but I WILL ALWAYS DO WHAT I THINK I SHOULD…and that will NEVER CHANGE.
I think before I do something…
You can conduct all the polls you want...knock yourself out. Go for it.
***** You should conduct the polls IF YOU REALLY CARE WHAT ATHLETES THINK…but we all know the truth…
MILOS WELL SAID......BUT BOB WILL NEVER GET IT.............HE NEEDS HIS JOB.....AND WITH OUT THE IFBB WHAT DOES HE HAVE .........ACTING MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOT.
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Ignorance is not an excuse..if you didn't know, thats YOUR problem. The President has the option to appoint a replacement in the event of an official stepping dowm, etc...as per the rules. That's what he did....once again, if you don't like my success rate and changes....run for it yourself.
***Ignorance?
Let me ask you:
Did you see on the Internet (as you said on the IFBB.com website) official post that IFBB president is looking for interested IFBB pro to become ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE?
It was posted on the site, as per Jim Manions authority...I simply asked what was going to happen to the position.
If so – can you post the link?
If I can find it, I'll be sure to post it....you can also ask Jim yourself.
Can you name 10 other IFBB professionals who were aware of this?
Plain and simple – NOBODY KNEW…and why?
Because athlete’s representative SHOULD BE elected by the athletes.
..and for the 100th time....GREAT, I have no problem running against you or anyone else who wants to throw their hat into the ring
Not long before – we all know what Shawn needed to go through to be elected…(Too bad he miserably failed – and walked away from his position – but that’s another story…)
Can you provide me (us) with the paragraph from the book of rules where The President has that option (to appoint a replacement)…
Yes I can...look it up yourself. ARTICLE 10, 10:10 VACENCY OF POSITION
Now, everybody knows WHY you were “appointed” that position…and among the athletes (disgusted by the choice) – there is obvious dissatisfaction hence – NO SUPPORT….
IS IT OBVIOUS, OR JUST your OPINION?
Also, what kind of success rate are you talking about?
Your success is – getting exactly what you were TOLD to ask for…but sadly – not from the athletes…
NOW, YOU'RE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS...I'm not told a damn thing. I submit what I want....
Changes? What kind of changes did athletes asked you to make?
All the changes so far came as your “personal discussion with the office”…
Once again, making statements you have no idea of....just your warped perspective. Tell us all, what were these discussions? Who were they with? Please....lend us all your insight and great wisdom
Besides, as “office” requests from us to follow “proper channels” and put everything in writing…what happen with a written message to ALL THE ATHLETES – that indeed ATHLETES POSITION is available and for grabs…so interested athletes should send their application.
Once the office had a list of candidates – letter should have been sent to ALL the athletes and they could have easily give their votes.
I guess, proper procedure and “proper channels” are used ONLY one directional…
Great...awesome...as I've said, you can run against me (or anyone else)....I'll mail out the invitations myself.
Shawn and I are the ones who created the position, as we felt we (the athletes) needed a voice...Wayne was the one who made up whatever rule of election he wanted...thE 50% rule was for getting elected, not making changes...that's up to whoever is the rep, they (the IFBB) doesn't dictate how we run our own rep position.
*****Shawn and you are the ones who created the position?
Please…
Position existed LONG AGO…but throughout the ages was lost…as not too many bodybuilders ever cared…
Since the 1991 I urged many athletes to form the position…to form the Union…and start ASKING FOR OUR RIGHTS…
I was reaching out to all the athletes even through the magazine articles (which I can possibly still find, scan it and post it here…) in early nineties…
You were reaching out? to who? By way of a few articles?? Funny, when it could have made a difference when I was attempting to form a union....I don't remember YOU being there...or your buddy Lee, for that matter.
So the BBers didn't care THEN...what makes you think they care NOW?
Shawn was elected – as I made sure he gets DOZENS of votes from my European friends (IFBB professionals)…and I had to “smooth” many American pros who simply didn’t want to support “little prick” (as they so unanimously called him…
Anyway, POSITION of the ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE should have never been APOINTED and especially not given to any athlete (you) without previously informing the athletes…
Post on the www.ifbb.com is just NOT acceptable “excuse”…as everyone knows – hardly any athletes go to this site…(especially to look for IMPORTANT information).
Where else would you go for "important information? Getbig.com??
All of us sure expect to be informed (official IFBB letter) about the issue of such an importance…Unless is done the way it was done – on purpose…
Apparently it's not a waste of time, as the very proposals I submit, could be altered on a majority vote...if they choose not to attend, then they cannot bitch about the changes made on their behalf.
*****Let’s be REAL…
Your athletes meetings are organized so MAJORITY of the athletes CANNOT attend it – anyway…
During the Olympia or AC – when even COMPETITORS competing don’t want to attend the meeting – as they would rather stay in the rooms minding their own business (read: preparing for the show)…
Others, especially INTERNATIONAL athletes simply do not have the funds to travel to US and attend the meetings – hence they have NO VOICE with the way you REPRESENT us…
It is not about CHOOSING not to attend Bob…it is simply INABILITY to attend…and you are TAKING MAJOR ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
Yeah, thats it.....cant think of a worse time to organize a meeting of th pro's than on the TWO BIGGEST shows of the year, when most pro's are there....come up with a better time/ place.
Your decisions and changes are YOUR OWN…and without a shadow of the doubt YOU ARE GROSSLY ABUSING YOUR POSITION!
And I do emphasize: GROSSLY ABUSE!
It is very sad fact that you can change TRADITIONAL RULES set decades ago simply by suggesting to empty walls at one of your “well organized” and yet even better attended meetings and get almost unanimous approval (nobody complains as NOBODY is present).
And...I can indeed make changes as I see fit, as I have and as I will continue to do so...It's not an abuse of power, it's called taking charge and making decisions...so far, I have yet to hear of one single complaint (other than you)...better money, health care, tickets, judging changes, rule changes, increased per diem...
***** And, you are indeed making changes ONLY YOU SEE FIT at expense of all of us….
Sadly, I agree with you: YOU WILL CONTINUE ABUSING YOUR POSITION which should have no power to make such a changes WITHOUT MAJORITY APROVAL from the athletes…
You NEVER contacted dozens of athletes to find out WHAT they really think of your changes…so OFF COURSE you would not hear any complaints…as pros HAVE NO CLUE what you are doing…
Usually – they are informed about the changes as they show up at the contests…and at that time complaining is LAST thing they would think about…
I see all the pro's at every pro show I'm at (which is most of them)...I also have email which I can be cntacted by, they can also contact Jim Manion....still have yet to receive any complaints, by way of email or in person....ZERO. Are you sugesting the only time people can voive an opinion is at a meeting they choose NOT to attend....keep trying, Milos.
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
*****Interestingly – it was NOT YOUR FAULT?
I thought you said “PROPER CHANNELS”…proper procedures…etc lead to RESULTS…
What happened?
Aleady explained what happened...IN DETAIL. Read it again if you didn't understand it....
PLEASE...Your approach was anything BUT polite and soft spoken. It was your approach which inflamed the situation and made what was to be a productive discussion into a shouting match. Tuman took offense because you were telling him he was disrespecting the athletes...Amazing how much more mild mannered you are in your recolection....25 others will disagree.
*****Amazing how you NEVER listen…
I said it CLEARLY that indeed I did say to Tuman that NOT GIVING THE ATHLETES COMPARISONS THEY DESERVED IS DISRESPECTING…
I chose my words carefully – so I will spell it out what is BOTTOM LINE.
And bottom line is: if you don’t give the athletes their chance to compete you are disrespecting all the hard work (LIFETIME OF HARD WORK) they did in preparation for the show.
If judges ONLY think about this statement – maybe they would realize what I am trying to say…
I didn’t disrespect the judges…I made sure to let them realize THE BOTTOM LINE (what really means NOT getting the callouts…)
Once again...didn't need YOU to spell out anything.
You can think whatever you want...Flex Wheeler put it to you as bluntly as anyone can. You were brash, confrontational and LOUD...anything but respectful. No one said you were uncontrolable. As said previously...your help wasn't needed at the time and made a spectacle out of what should have been a simple discussion.
*****Flex didn’t say anything about me being disrespectful…He said that my approach is CONFRONTATIONAL and I should be “politically correct” and speak certain way…
I thanked him for his opinion and told him that he is indeed entitled to have his opinion + I know that he means well…but I WILL ALWAYS DO WHAT I THINK I SHOULD…and that will NEVER CHANGE.
I think before I do something…
You can conduct all the polls you want...knock yourself out. Go for it.
***** You should conduct the polls IF YOU REALLY CARE WHAT ATHLETES THINK…but we all know the truth…
I talk to pro's every show I'm at...ask them questions, ask for input, etc....If they have a problem with anything I'm doing (or not doing)...I'm sure they would let me know. After all...I'm sure they care about THEIR sport and THEIR future, right?
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MILOS WELL SAID......BUT BOB WILL NEVER GET IT.............HE NEEDS HIS JOB.....AND WITH OUT THE IFBB WHAT DOES HE HAVE .........ACTING MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOT.
I have a job...It's called "Official spokesman" for BB.com, "Vice Pres". Of Eggwhites international, and a contract with AMI, in addition to being a SAG member and STILL collecting residuals for any of the work i've done....none of these jobs have anything to do with the IFBB....
You?
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I have a job...It's called "Official spokesman" for BB.com, "Vice Pres". Of Eggwhites international, and a contract with AMI, in addition to being a SAG member and STILL collecting residuals for any of the work i've done....none of these jobs have anything to do with the IFBB....
You?
THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IFBB IS THE SAG ONE...THE REST ARE ALL LINKED IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER...........BB.COM HAS NO TIES WITH IFBB.......AMI HAS NO TIES WITH IFBB..OK ...F U C KIN WANKER
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Shawn Ray doesn't like white people.
He does if he can get money off them and do nothing for it. I love it how Chic tries to double talk and Milos catches it all the time. And Milos said it best Chic is different, he is a nice guy and he is smart the only problem is his heart is in the wrong place. His loyalty is to the IFBB not the members. EVERYONE sees that but Chic. That is his major downfall. Sean on the other hand is well..........Sean and you can't fix that.
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Hmmmmmm, I can't find your answers...Did you actually answer it?
I see empty red line...
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Hmmmmmm, I can't find your answers...Did you actually answer it?
I see empty red line...
Highlight the red lines with your cursor and the text will magically appear.
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Hmmmmmm, I can't find your answers...Did you actually answer it?
I see empty red line...
Open your eyes
The synthol must be doing something to your vision
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Hmmmmmm, I can't find your answers...Did you actually answer it?
I see empty red line...
Here you go, in case you couldn't find it.
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
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Chic would you hire Sean to be your campaign manager
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THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE IFBB IS THE SAG ONE...THE REST ARE ALL LINKED IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER...........BB.COM HAS NO TIES WITH IFBB.......AMI HAS NO TIES WITH IFBB..OK ...F U C KIN WANKER
Were in the sport of PRO BB...everything is linked in "one way or another", genius.
Get over it, Lee....you made all your own decisions.
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...Or it brings light to some of the absurd accusations and conspiracy theories, etc...that never seem to go away.
I bring a perspective of someone that is on the inside, and makes change to our industry..whether people choose to believe it or not, is up to them.
Pick whatever side you want....
It is not about taking sides.
Yes, you do bring perspective being an IFBB Rep.
However, i still believe that by you posting here, in time, does more harm to you personally and professionally than you care to acknowledge.
Look, it can be very entertaining at times. But playing politics on a juvenile forum like Getbig, is not the best professional choice an IFBB Rep can make!
Chick, follow the path of those wise-folk who exited this Adolescent-Dominated-Forum before it was too late.
The politics of personal destruction are at play here, and you are next on the list!
Don't say i didn't warn you.
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Chick,
do you beleive that contest fixing takes place in the IFBB?
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Chick,
do you beleive that contest fixing takes place in the IFBB?
Can't comment on the Asian accusations, as I don't know all the facts/ people involved...I certainly would like to think they're not....
Here in the states....absolutely not.
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Hank....quit clogging the thread with logic....that has no place in bodybuilding.
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who else loves asian pussy like me?
(http://www.fetishlogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/havajka-anal-2.jpg)
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who else loves asian pussy like me?
(http://www.fetishlogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/havajka-anal-2.jpg)
Problem with Asain pussy is...after you've had it, you're horny again in a half hour! ;D
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who else loves asian pussy like me?
(http://www.fetishlogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/havajka-anal-2.jpg)
They should have better rights over there, everybodys screwing everybody.
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Something isn't right here and there is no way to resolve this impasse on line. What interests me is how Lee Priest, Keith Jones, Milos Sarcev and myself all see things re bodybuilding and contests somewhat the same. We all state that the IFBB is lacking and probably corrupt. To counter our charges we have Shawn Ray and Bob Chick. The more we learn from the current champs the more corrupt the IFBB seems. The more Milos posts the less integrity Bob and Shawn have.
Clearly an athlete's rep MUST be elected by those he is supposed to represent. Lee Priest is rightfully not happy with the current rep because that person did bugger all when there was an issue last year re competing in other organizations. It very much looks like the officials of the IFBB are a tightly controlled group and all say the same thing. The privates and corporals all obey whoever is running the IFBB .
The issues that won't go away are the controversial contests, poor judging system, lack of good judges, inadequate prizemoney, medical insurance and so on. It just is not acceptable that contests can be fixed by IFBB officials. If you want an honest organization then for goodness sake make all positions elected ones and stop the nonsense of appointing so-called vice-presidents and even athletes reps. Athlete's rep my ass.
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that's technically asian rectum, not pussy.
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Something isn't right here and there is no way to resolve this impasse on line. What interests me is how Lee Priest, Keith Jones, Milos Sarcev and myself all see things re bodybuilding and contests somewhat the same. We all state that the IFBB is lacking and probably corrupt. To counter our charges we have Shawn Ray and Bob Chick. The more we learn from the current champs the more corrupt the IFBB seems. The more Milos posts the less integrity Bob and Shawn have.
Clearly an athlete's rep MUST be elected by those he is supposed to represent. Lee Priest is rightfully not happy with the current rep because that person did bugger all when there was an issue last year re competing in other organizations. It very much looks like the officials of the IFBB are a tightly controlled group and all say the same thing. The privates and corporals all obey whoever is running the IFBB .
The issues that won't go away are the controversial contests, poor judging system, lack of good judges, inadequate prizemoney, medical insurance and so on. It just is not acceptable that contests can be fixed by IFBB officials. If you want an honest organization then for goodness sake make all positions elected ones and stop the nonsense of appointing so-called vice-presidents and even athletes reps. Athlete's rape my ass.
Fixed
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that's technically asian rectum, not pussy.
I'm merely displaying the asian pussy while the asshole is being "honored"
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Something isn't right here and there is no way to resolve this impasse on line. What interests me is how Lee Priest, Keith Jones, Milos Sarcev and myself all see things re bodybuilding and contests somewhat the same. We all state that the IFBB is lacking and probably corrupt. To counter our charges we have Shawn Ray and Bob Chick. The more we learn from the current champs the more corrupt the IFBB seems. The more Milos posts the less integrity Bob and Shawn have.
Clearly an athlete's rep MUST be elected by those he is supposed to represent. Lee Priest is rightfully not happy with the current rep because that person did bugger all when there was an issue last year re competing in other organizations. It very much looks like the officials of the IFBB are a tightly controlled group and all say the same thing. The privates and corporals all obey whoever is running the IFBB .
The issues that won't go away are the controversial contests, poor judging system, lack of good judges, inadequate prizemoney, medical insurance and so on. It just is not acceptable that contests can be fixed by IFBB officials. If you want an honest organization then for goodness sake make all positions elected ones and stop the nonsense of appointing so-called vice-presidents and even athletes reps. Athlete's rep my ass.
LOL......No fool like an old fool.
Keep talking like you know whats going on....it's amusing if nothing else.
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Chick,
do you beleive that contest fixing takes place in the IFBB?
chick made it clear that they don't "fix" contests, but athletes do get "gifted" first place when they don't deserve it. i don't have an ifbb rulebook so i can't understand the difference.
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Vince basile for athletes foot....I mean rep......well same effect. :D
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Hank is wrong. If i see much more Im going to order my Olympia tickets tonite!!!! If kamali shows up as a baby orangutan i may cruise to denver to meet shawn too!!!! ;D But i wont let him use my address for suspiscious packages from thailand!!! :D
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chick made it clear that they don't "fix" contests, but athletes do get "gifted" first place when they don't deserve it. i don't have an ifbb rulebook so i can't understand the difference.
It's intelligence you need, not a rule book.
I've never used the word "gifted"...you did.
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I have obviously struck a raw nerve!
I am not interested in playing the hating game on this one! Was merely curious to your motivations and concept of the term 'professionalism'.
Peace.
PM if you like.
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I have obviously struck a raw nerve!
I am not interested in playing the hating game on this one! Was merely curious to your motivations and concept of the term 'professionalism'.
Peace.
PM if you like.
You havent struck any nerve...you're just annoying and post the same shit over and over.
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Please.....2 out of your 3 wins were gifts, circusboy.
????? who said this then????
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????? who said this then????
Gift
Gifted
Gifted makes it sound like it was pre-determined...you know, like a FIX.
I already explained the difference between the two...go find it.
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Gift
Gifted
Gifted makes it sound like it was pre-determined...you know, like a FIX.
I already explained the difference between the two...go find it.
well, i guess it's hard to argue with logic like that!!
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Here you go, in case you couldn't find it.
What happened at the Ironman wasn't MY fault...it was a miscommunication betwen Manion and Sandy as to update her on the changes...it was addressed and brought current at every show since
Quite the comeback after everything I said and pointed out. ;)
Now, why would you ever think that what happened in Ironman was your fault?
I never said that...
But, if you really want to talk about it - than you should realize that PROPER CHANNELS BS is exactly that...a BS.
Going through PROPER CHANNELS officials somehow miscommunicated...ACTUAL LY our issue is from such an importance - Jim even forgot to mention it to OTHER IFBB officials...
You would assume that with PROPER CHANNELS proper protocols would take place and accepted motion by the respected IFBB athletes representative was put on top of the list of priorities and emphasized to each and every judge that starting 2007 (exactly with the Ironman) every judge...and certainly HEAD JUDGE ;) would know that MORE COMPARISONS should be called - regardless...
That was discussed through PROPER CHANNELS, properly accepted and should have been properly enforced... ;D
So next time you talk about PROPER CHANNELS - THINK ABOUT IT...
I prefer doing it MY WAY...and instead of "beating around the bush" and saying "maybe we could-a, would-a, should-a...be proper" I simply say WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID:
and that is - ATHLETES ARE BEING DISRESPECTED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPETE...AS THEY ARE NOT BEING COMPARED...
While judges maybe didn't see it that way - and certainly didn't want to disrespect the athletes - THEY ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY DOING IT...
Also, i didn't say it in confrontational way...I said it EXACTLY as I am stating right now...as the MATTER OF FACT which probably judges didn't consider it...
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Quite the comeback after everything I said and pointed out. ;)
Now, why would you ever think that what happened in Ironman was your fault?
I never said that...
But, if you really want to talk about it - than you should realize that PROPER CHANNELS BS is exactly that...a BS.
Going through PROPER CHANNELS officials somehow miscommunicated...ACTUAL LY our issue is from such an importance - Jim even forgot to mention it to OTHER IFBB officials...
You would assume that with PROPER CHANNELS proper protocols would take place and accepted motion by the respected IFBB athletes representative was put on top of the list of priorities and emphasized to each and every judge that starting 2007 (exactly with the Ironman) every judge...and certainly HEAD JUDGE ;) would know that MORE COMPARISONS should be called - regardless...
That was discussed through PROPER CHANNELS, properly accepted and should have been properly enforced... ;D
So next time you talk about PROPER CHANNELS - THINK ABOUT IT...
This is obviously an issue you need to take up with Jim Manion....as I did everything I had to do. I suggest emailing him and letting him know your dissatisfaction with the I.M. prejudging, which has already been brought up, corrected, and hasn't happened since (which you choose to ignore).
I prefer doing it MY WAY...and instead of "beating around the bush" and saying "maybe we could-a, would-a, should-a...be proper" I simply say WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID:
and that is - ATHLETES ARE BEING DISRESPECTED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPETE...AS THEY ARE NOT BEING COMPARED...
Great...you do it YOUR way...I'll do it mine, and Sinatra his...
While judges maybe didn't see it that way - and certainly didn't want to disrespect the athletes - THEY ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY DOING IT...
Nor was it intentionally done that Sandy wasn't made aware of the changes...but you continue to beat a dead horse for the sake of argument.....IT'S BEEN MADE RIGHT.
Also, i didn't say it in confrontational way...I said it EXACTLY as I am stating right now...as the MATTER OF FACT which probably judges didn't consider it...
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It seems sensible that Jim Manion should be at every pro contest to make sure the rules are followed and that decisions can be made to solve protests and problems. If he is unable to be present then someone who can make decisions should be there to run things properly. It just seems like things can be run better than they are at the moment. Manion's job should be an annually elected one, too.
Bob, do you realise how condescending you are on the internet? The next rep should have some tact and diplomacy.
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It seems sensible that Jim Manion should be at every pro contest to make sure the rules are followed and that decisions can be made to solve protests and problems. If he is unable to be present then someone who can make decisions should be there to run things properly. It just seems like things can be run better than they are at the moment. Manion's job should be an annually elected one, too.
Bob, do you realise how condescending you are on the internet? The next rep should have some tact and diplomacy.
THE ATHLETES AS PAYING MEMBERS SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO VOTE ON ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE IFBB.........
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Seems to me if athletes can't make it to meetings they could still vote and either mail their choices or do so online. How hard is it to hold elections?
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Chick, I seriously doubt a Suspended "Alleged" Drug Dealer who pled No Contest,
A Former member of the IFBB shorty without a job,
And a Fat Man wrapped in Bed Sheets for clothes living on an Island is the South Pacific will ever really impact, change or affect the challenges in our sport and federation. :-\
So let the mud slinging continue, as the Orange County Register is full of bad news and this form of intertainment from clowns with absolutely no relevant effect on our sport act like Industry Insiders ::)
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Chick, I seriously doubt a Suspended "Alleged" Drug Dealer who pled No Contest,
A Former member of the IFBB shorty without a job,
And a Fat Man wrapped in Bed Sheets for clothes living on an Island is the South Pacific will ever really impact, change or affect the challenges in our sport and federation. :-\
So let the mud slinging continue, as the Orange County Register is full of bad news and this form of intertainment from clowns with absolutely no relevant effect on our sport act like Industry Insiders ::)
Shawn, you know i am not a fan of yours but that is a brilliant post!
Good stuff, keep em coming!
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At least we know what asskissers are like in the IFBB. Shawn and Bob are excellent examples of how not to have opinions but be puppets of the system.
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Just keeping it real son.
Brilliant is a word "Not" to be used on this Forum.
It is definately more of a Barnum and Bailey atmosphere here than one of Scholarly Postings with charesters who dress up as Roman Gladiators and Marvel Comic Book Charecters, like Superman.
Not to mention Dom Delouise making Cameo Postings from time to time from the Big Island! ;)
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Just keeping it real son.
Brilliant is a word "Not" to be used on this Forum.
It is definately more of a Barnum and Bailey atmosphere here than one of Scholarly Postings with charesters who dress up as Roman Gladiators and Marvel Comic Book Charecters, like Superman.
Not to mention Dom Delouise making Cameo Postings from time to time from the Big Island! ;)
Funny stuff.
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Every post is comedy, read some of this stuff, like these clowns seriously make an impact on the functionality of the IFBB.
* Suspened
* Banned
* Cast Away Star
Hey boys, thanks for your opinions ::)
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Funny stuff.
hank you aint funny u is boring
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Every post is comedy, read some of this stuff, like these clowns seriously make an impact on the functionality of the IFBB.
* Suspened
Suspended? (sp)
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Yes, like so many who post here, Hank Wood is indeed a fictional internet character.
Just thought i would give you guys the heads up.....Get it now......Hank=imaginary-getbig-antihero.
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Yes, like so many who post here, Hank Wood is indeed a fictional internet character.
Just thought i would give you guys the heads up.....Get it now......Hank=imaginary-getbig-antihero.
then evolve your characterization because currently it's stalled on stupidity
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then evolve your characterization because currently it's stalled on stupidity
Bigdumbbell, you loathe Hank. Your hatred of this character is deep and intense.
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nah, my hate for you is just like you...shallow :)
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It seems sensible that Jim Manion should be at every pro contest to make sure the rules are followed and that decisions can be made to solve protests and problems. If he is unable to be present then someone who can make decisions should be there to run things properly. It just seems like things can be run better than they are at the moment. Manion's job should be an annually elected one, too.
Bob, do you realise how condescending you are on the internet? The next rep should have some tact and diplomacy.
Yes...I do realise.
I have tact and diplomacy...to those that matter. You dont.
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nah, my hate for you is just like you...shallow :)
You sound so angry and bitter. Just chill a bit.
Easy on the tough-guy macho stuff. You dont have to prove anything to me. I am not real, remember.
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dont read bitter and angry into my messages...i am not angry bob
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I don't argue for the "sake of the argument"...or beat the dead horse...
I have been ASKING for the "respect" (which is the bottom line) or (what we call) - the opportunity to compete...for A LONG, LONG TIME...
If you remember at 2004 Mr. Olympia Press conference you and Triple H gave me a microphone as "Well, Milos always have something to say and ask - so go ahead Milos"...
Even though I was surprised and didn't expect to "talk" I immediately thought of WHAT IS TH EMOST IMPORTANT for the bodybuilders, competitors, fans...Mr. Olympia competition...and BODYBUILDING IN GENERAL...
You remember what I said?
I said; "I am not going to ask the question...rather I would like to urge all the judges to realize that EVERY COMPETITOR HERE (all the ladies and the gentelmen...IFBB professionals) are here for one thing: TO COMPETE.
For the Love of God - please allow them to do that.
Give them comparisons and true chance to show what they got...what they work so hard for all these years...
I am sure that Ronnie Coleman would have NO PROBLEM being compared...As back in the day he was that guy - waiting to be called out...and compared...
He is confident that IF compared he will prove that he is better - so guys like him DON'T MIND the comparison...but as a competitor myself - I can tell you that THERE IS NOTHING WORSE than being there on the stage only as a "stage decoration" and watching some guys getting 5-6 comparisons and you are not getting a single one...
This is Mr/Ms Olympia: BEST OF THE BEST....all of these athletes EARNED and DESERVED to be here...PLEASE - just give them a chance to compete...compare them.
All of us can easily deal with even the LAST PLACE if we had the chance to fight...but if we are not even compared and than placed whenever...that HURTS...[and many guys quit after years of being "disrespected" this way]
So, my point is: AFTER YEARS of asking for this - I still don't see a major improvement...
While I have to agree that last couple of shows were indeed better - it was still far away from our "requested" model or comparisons...
You went as far as stating that TOP TEN will be crisscrossed (correct me if I am wrong)...
But anyway...at the Ironman - I came there to hear your conversation and remind you and judges about ACCEPTED "MORE COMPARISONS" change...
I certainly didn't want to assume that NOBODY in the whole judging panel was informed about our motion - to get what we were asking for years...
As ridiculous as it sounds - our MOST IMPORTANT request seemed to be possibly resolved between you and Jim...in your conversation...not through the PROPER CHANNELS after all.
Obviously - if done properly (proper channels :D and all): don't you think that you would have written conformation...(something in writting?)
First - it would be requested...than discussed about it and finally when ACCEPTED - it would be announced publically and in the written form...
That way ALL OF US (including JUDGES and the athletes) will have crystal clear picture of what is going on...
Again, as sad as it seems - it looks to me that your "proper channel" this time around was - a phone call...or maybe a little chat with the president in some of the shows...hence - nobody but YOU and HIM knew about the ACCEPTED CHANGE....
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Wouldnt pre-judging last 72& 9/16th hours if everyone was compared to everyone?? Obviously the guys that didnt kiss ass well enough that year will stay in the background at the show. :-[
Bob if this isnt fixed, then we will start a "Bobs responsible for world hunger and terrorism" thread.!!!! We move mountains here at GETBIG. 8)
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Question - If Milos' comprison requirement was accepted by the IFBB, wouldn't there be some official written guidlines that would hve to be adhered to during the judging process? Such as a complete and separate and standardized "Comparison Round".
Or is that even necessary for the judges to come to a valid decision?
Then again, maybe this situation could be solved by something called a "Free For All Round" which would give all the participants 10 minutes to move around the stage and stand by the contender of his choice and start hitting poses. Hit a few comparative shots and then move on to the next competitor.
Or better yet, let each contender, while standing in a lineup, choose three or four other contenders to pose against for comparative purposes.
I don't know if this would satisfy anyone, but it might be worth considering and might prove interesting to the fans as to whom each contestant chooses to be compared with.
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Stuntmovie's post is the most absurd suggestion for judging that I have ever heard. The people in NABBA evolved a good system to judge bodybuilders. This system can be built on and improved. There could also be an 'objective' component where competitors are photographed and a video made and all compared using standardized sizes, etc.
The fairest way to judge is to compare individuals. Therefore, the scoring of individuals when standing or posing by themselves should count only for selecting finalists. Typically we have various lineups followed by individual posing. When the finalists are selected the comparisons can occur. This can be a long process if every judge participates and has to separate all the finalists. There is little point in comparing competitors just so that everyone is compared. Usually some individuals stand out for excellence and they don't have to be compared. Likewise those at the other end don't have to be compared much except to those close in the standing. Where the difficult process occurs is among those who are close and therefore hard to separate. That is why we need many judges to do this properly and make the process fair. There is no way competitors can be judged while moving about on a stage and posing like they do in posedowns.
I am sure there are some experienced people who have tackled this problem so that the best people should win and the rest are properly placed. That doesn't mean the judges have to agree. If you select honest judges who can discriminate among the competitors then the process should be valid.
The IFBB seems to have a judging system that isn't optimal for bodybuilding. When are bodybuilders going to do something about this? Well, the system in place in the IFBB doesn't seem to be one that can easily be changed. No one can deny that the Mr Olympia has been controversial for many years now and in the past, too. Well, except for when Sergio won uncontested!
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THE ATHLETES AS PAYING MEMBERS SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO VOTE ON ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE IFBB.........
That is how it is done everywhere. But if it was done that way Manion and Weiders woudl have been out allong time ago.
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Chick, I seriously doubt a Suspended "Alleged" Drug Dealer who pled No Contest,
A Former member of the IFBB shorty without a job,
And a Fat Man wrapped in Bed Sheets for clothes living on an Island is the South Pacific will ever really impact, change or affect the challenges in our sport and federation. :-\
So let the mud slinging continue, as the Orange County Register is full of bad news and this form of intertainment from clowns with absolutely no relevant effect on our sport act like Industry Insiders ::)
hahahaha this coming from a low-life man (a term used lightly) who lets his mom take a felony rap for him, deals drugs (just hasn't been caught), fucks with trannys, turns in friends, steals money from promoters, misleads sponsors and shows up fat to guest pose. Oh, and also bullshits people into making them think he is a born again Christian. Oh and don't forget washed-up BB who could never win the BIG One but loves to brag about placing in the top 5. Always a participant but never a winner. Good job. I guess when you are used to losing it is something you get used to, kind of like the losing show you had last year and probably this year too. Hey but keep your face out there man, promote a product you don't take (except take their money) and play golf, those you are good at. Well not the golf part. Hope this helps.
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hahahaha this coming from a low-life man (a term used lightly) who lets his mom take a felony rap for him, deals drugs (just hasn't been caught), fucks with trannys, turns in friends, steals money from promoters, misleads sponsors and shows up fat to guest pose. Oh, and also bullshits people into making them think he is a born again Christian. Oh and don't forget washed-up BB who could never win the BIG One but loves to brag about placing in the top 5. Always a participant but never a winner. Good job. I guess when you are used to losing it is something you get used to, kind of like the losing show you had last year and probably this year too. Hey but keep your face out there man, promote a product you don't take (except take their money) and play golf, those you are good at. Well not the golf part. Hope this helps.
Onlyme, that was an awesome outburst! In a sense, accurate and very biting! However, Shawn has shown in the past that he is totally unaffected by these types of posts. In fact, in only serves to fire him up!
Shawn has quite openly stated that he thinks all those who post here are 'clowns'. He has no respect for the views of other gettbiggers.
Is Shawn a magalomaniac? Not sure.
Is Shawn entertaining? Very much so!
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did somebody say asian again?
(http://bdsmtraffic.com/galleries/as121106175840/rxp3241051.jpg)
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Onlyme, that was an awesome outburst! In a sense, accurate and very biting! However, Shawn has shown in the past that he is totally unaffected by these types of posts. In fact, in only serves to fire him up!
Shawn has quite openly stated that he thinks all those who post here are 'clowns'. He has no respect for the views of other gettbiggers.
Is Shawn a magalomaniac? Not sure.
Is Shawn entertaining? Very much so!
Yes well it's hard to defend yourself when you are guilty 100%. The best thig is to ignore which he is so good at cause he has had to do it for so long. But, isn't he just a great BB and thats all that counts. ::)
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Onlyme, that was an awesome outburst! In a sense, accurate and very biting! However, Shawn has shown in the past that he is totally unaffected by these types of posts. In fact, in only serves to fire him up!
Shawn has quite openly stated that he thinks all those who post here are 'clowns'. He has no respect for the views of other gettbiggers.
Is Shawn a magalomaniac? Not sure.
Is Shawn entertaining? Very much so!
isn't your cartoon shitcanned yet?
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Onlyme, that was an awesome outburst! In a sense, accurate and very biting! However, Shawn has shown in the past that he is totally unaffected by these types of posts. In fact, in only serves to fire him up!
Shawn has quite openly stated that he thinks all those who post here are 'clowns'. He has no respect for the views of other gettbiggers.
Is Shawn a magalomaniac? Not sure.
Is Shawn entertaining? Very much so!
Yes well it's hard to defend yourself when you are guilty 100%. The best thing is to ignore which he is so good at cause he has had to do it for so long. But, isn't he just a great BB and thats all that counts. ::)
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Shawn and Bob sure love to attack the messenger. They foolishly believe they win if they can point out someone is old or perhaps a bit fat. Well, I would prefer if Bob would address the issues mentioned by Milos, Keith, Lee and myself. We all know why he doesn't and won't. That he persists with the charade might be amusing but he is unwittingly helping to bury the IFBB. He ends up painting himself as a stooge and the smart people here clearly see that.
Does Shawn actually believe that he can keep posting rebuttals and eventually win the arguments? If he has some substance other than knocking others I would love to see it. Oh, he loves boasting about himself and his success. What on earth does that have to do with the charge of corruption against Paul Chua? Neither he nor Bob will shed any light on this issue because they prefer to sweep it under the carpet.
The internet does expose wrongdoing and injustices if there is evidence that such occurred. Please let us have something substantial from someone who does matter in the IFBB and not the privates who post here. If they are representative of who the IFBB recruits then no wonder that organization is lacking.
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Shawn and Bob sure love to attack the messenger. They foolishly believe they win if they can point out someone is old or perhaps a bit fat. Well, I would prefer if Bob would address the issues mentioned by Milos, Keith, Lee and myself. We all know why he doesn't and won't. That he persists with the charade might be amusing but he is unwittingly helping to bury the IFBB. He ends up painting himself as a stooge and the smart people here clearly see that.
Does Shawn actually believe that he can keep posting rebuttals and eventually win the arguments? If he has some substance other than knocking others I would love to see it. Oh, he loves boasting about himself and his success. What on earth does that have to do with the charge of corruption against Paul Chua? Neither he nor Bob will shed any light on this issue because they prefer to sweep it under the carpet.
The internet does expose wrongdoing and injustices if there is evidence that such occurred. Please let us have something substantial from someone who does matter in the IFBB and not the privates who post here. If they are representative of who the IFBB recruits then no wonder that organization is lacking.
It's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that Bob and Shawn are IFBB stooges. But why is it necessary for you to post it in blue font for it to be conventional wisdom?
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I dont see anything wrong with that guest posing pic of shawn. He is clearly in shape ???
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Years of competition and the total prize money is only $70,000? ::)
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I have posted before that one of the ways that the IFBB controls the judging process is by the callouts. In theory any judge should be allowed to call out competitors to be compared. Who then chooses which judge's choice is going to be called out first or if in fact a judge did make that request. It seems to me that this whole process is absolutely vital to the process and should be transparent and recorded.
From what I have witnessed it is very easy for those involved with the judging to select who they want to place 1, 2, and 3 and call them out in the first round of comparisons. All the judges will instantly know that they had better place these 3 individuals in the top three. It would be a refinement of that process to place the second called out first because the winner stands in the middle.
I am not sure if this happens or has happened in the IFBB at the Olympia but it should not happen. Therefore, whoever is present to oversea the judging had better make sure the process is a fair one. The callouts have to be random and the judges can be numbered and each number called out by picking judge's name from a hat. For example, first callout from judge 2, then 6, then 4, etc. and then start over again. What must be obvious is that the Mr Olympia is seldom an obvious thing to judge. Occasionally someone stands out from the others but most of the time the differences are quite subtle.
If there is any hint of impropriety then those involved must be answerable and elections to remove everyone must be held annually just in case. It seems to me that the competitors should have a voice in selecting the IFBB judging officials.
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$70,000.00 In Prize Money , Top 3 Olympia Qualification and 2 Pro Events:
Mens Bodybuilding and Womens Pro Figure!
Not to mention the NPC Portion fo the show, which happens to be a National Qualifier!
Join Bob and Dan from Pro Bodybuilding Weekly as the MC's of the Evening Finals and dont miss the chance to Win a Free Honda CBR 1000 Superbike at the EXPO that features:
Pro Arm Wrestling, Mixed matial Arts, Darque tan Bikin Contest, Strongman & Power Lifting, Fencing, Pro Boxing, Wrestling and much more!
For more info visit: www.coloradoproshow.com
Remember, Bodybuilding.com will be doing the Internet Broadcast LIVE!
How's that boys? ;D
hahaha shot your load so much last year had to downgrade to a motorcycle. And wasn't this motorcycle a prize at another show or something and the guy took cash instead. Motorcycle giveaway in a location that is too cold to ride 4 to 6 months out of the year. Good call. Hope you have a great show Sean
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YO Onlyme how many shows have you promoted how many times have you guest posed infact sense we always see you on the Olympia stage I better close my mouth huh. I'm not sticking up for anyone but wth is everyone fighting for seems like everyone has got something against someone ridiculous absolutely ridiculous what happend to the golden era.......
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Vince, with all due respect to your intelligent response to the problem at hand, I have to ask if you are considering the problems that Milos is concerned about?
My suggestions about comparisons may seem absurd but with some modifications they could possibly solve the problem that he is concerned with.
I personally think that the judges should run the judging procedures in any valid manner which will help them make a valid and fair decision. Comparison or not!
But the point here is that some of the contestants feel that it should be done with a slight modification and if that does not affect the judging adversely, then maybe their suggestions should be incorporated into the judging procedures.
Absurd or not, I throw it out as a suggestion that just might lead the way to satisfaction among the rank and file.
Hell, for all we know the IFBB officials are probably working on this situaltion already.
One last thing before I sign off........
A lot of us accuse Chick and others of being a stooge or a puppet or some other derogatory term......
But I recall standing up for any firm I've ever worked for all my life ..... regardless of how an outsider felt. You're absolutely useless unless you stand up for the "firm" you're working with. ANd when you are on the inside you see things differently than those on the outside.
I have a brother in the oil business. Every time we get together I want to punch him in the nose because he defends the price of gas and laughs when he tells me that it will soon be hitting $5 a gallon. He owns the stock and it making a bundle. He laughs and I cry.
He justifies the $5 by asking me what I pay for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
See the similarity?
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Looks like a separate thread is needed here.Seems like the debate has shot off tangent to the actual title of this thread..... ::)
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Yea, Porky, sorry about that and thanks for the notice.
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I have posted before that one of the ways that the IFBB controls the judging process is by the callouts. In theory any judge should be allowed to call out competitors to be compared. Who then chooses which judge's choice is going to be called out first or if in fact a judge did make that request. It seems to me that this whole process is absolutely vital to the process and should be transparent and recorded.
From what I have witnessed it is very easy for those involved with the judging to select who they want to place 1, 2, and 3 and call them out in the first round of comparisons. All the judges will instantly know that they had better place these 3 individuals in the top three. It would be a refinement of that process to place the second called out first because the winner stands in the middle.
I am not sure if this happens or has happened in the IFBB at the Olympia but it should not happen. Therefore, whoever is present to oversea the judging had better make sure the process is a fair one. The callouts have to be random and the judges can be numbered and each number called out by picking judge's name from a hat. For example, first callout from judge 2, then 6, then 4, etc. and then start over again. What must be obvious is that the Mr Olympia is seldom an obvious thing to judge. Occasionally someone stands out from the others but most of the time the differences are quite subtle.
If there is any hint of impropriety then those involved must be answerable and elections to remove everyone must be held annually just in case. It seems to me that the competitors should have a voice in selecting the IFBB judging officials.
Vince, you have been very persistent and patient with this thread. Your arguments are well structured and follow a logical sequence. I have enjoyed reading them, and have learnt a lot about this sport and how it operates.
Dont give up on the industry Vince. If you keep chipping away, maybe just maybe, things will start to change!
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Stuntmovie may have a good suggestion. After the judges have had their comparisons anyone who feels dissatisfied can ask to be compared with others in the lineup, etc. That might have some utility and satisfy the competitors who feel overlooked. However, we would have to guard against some who might overrate their physiques.
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YO Onlyme how many shows have you promoted how many times have you guest posed infact sense we always see you on the Olympia stage I better close my mouth huh. I'm not sticking up for anyone but wth is everyone fighting for seems like everyone has got something against someone ridiculous absolutely ridiculous what happend to the golden era.......
I have promoted 2 in this decade (at a cost of about $250,000 total) and helped in countless others in the past century. I am not and have never said I was a bodybuilder or even thought about it, so guest posing remark is just stupid. I have trained in about 25 years of training (not counting the past 8) with allot of the industrys biggest names. That does not make me an expert at all. I have never said I was. But at least when I say something 99% of the time I speak out of personal experience not hearsay, rumors or any other bullshit like most on here do. I dont' pick fight cause I don't need to but I sure in the hell will defend myself. This is a BB forum. Pros come on here all the time. Of all the pros, Sean reflects the worse image for Bodybuilding. Sure he looked great when he competed but the fact is he never won the big one. Now he is washed up, fat, sloppy and has nothing to do other than promote a show a mislead his sponsors. I highly doubt his show will be here next year. Or at least Vyotech won't. They have lost more money with Sean than anything. No company will stand for that. But lets see. Good luck Sean
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Can't comment on the Asian accusations, as I don't know all the facts/ people involved...I certainly would like to think they're not....
Here in the states....absolutely not.
So the INTERNATIONAL federeration of bodybuilders athletes representative has no clue of what goes on outside of his own country?
how can you claim contest fixing does not take place in the states, and then claim that certain people receive gifts in their placings?
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So the INTERNATIONAL federeration of bodybuilders athletes representative has no clue of what goes on outside of his own country?
how can you claim contest fixing does not take place in the states, and then claim that certain people receive gifts in their placings?
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Bob is the rep for pros, not amateurs as in extending the IFBB world amateurs and NPC.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Bob is the rep for pros, not amateurs as in extending the IFBB world amateurs and NPC.
OK I'll correct you. He has nothing to do with the competitors. He is 100% IFBB rep not the members. Hope this helps. But he is trying. ;D
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Bob is the IFBB pro rep who was appointed. Sort of a contradiction of terms. Onlyme is right that Bob is a patsy for the IFBB. The reason he is a stooge is because of the standing he gets with having that 'important' position. He then turns his status into money through contracts with the media, etc. Nice work if you don't mind the stench.
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I have promoted 2 in this decade (at a cost of about $250,000 total) and helped in countless others in the past century. I am not and have never said I was a bodybuilder or even thought about it, so guest posing remark is just stupid. I have trained in about 25 years of training (not counting the past 8) with allot of the industrys biggest names. That does not make me an expert at all. I have never said I was. But at least when I say something 99% of the time I speak out of personal experience not hearsay, rumors or any other bullshit like most on here do. I dont' pick fight cause I don't need to but I sure in the hell will defend myself. This is a BB forum. Pros come on here all the time. Of all the pros, Sean reflects the worse image for Bodybuilding. Sure he looked great when he competed but the fact is he never won the big one. Now he is washed up, fat, sloppy and has nothing to do other than promote a show a mislead his sponsors. I highly doubt his show will be here next year. Or at least Vyotech won't. They have lost more money with Sean than anything. No company will stand for that. But lets see. Good luck Sean
Shawn Ray is the Vyotech Spokesman and representative, NOT THE CEO OR Chief Operations Officer. You cannot blame him for the companies recent losses. In fact, I think he's extended the life of Vyotech greatly. Before Shawn, Vyotech had some cartoon bodybuilder with purple jelly around his mouth like he had just got finished giving a blowjob to Grimace from McDonalds and basically none of that stuff sold.
Vyotech losses recently is due to that Goat Whey protein they came out with.
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Before Shawn, Vyotech had some cartoon bodybuilder with purple jelly around his mouth like he had just got finished giving a blowjob to Grimace from McDonalds and basically none of that stuff sold.
They didn't change much by employing Shawn :-\
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Paul Chua has been a Weider supplement distributor for a very long time. He was one of Joe and Ben's first distributor, and they are very loyal to him, for 30 years. That stuff goes around all of the time.
Paul is the vice president in charge of Asia for the IFBB. Like Jim Manion is in charge of North America for the IFBB.
Milos has a point regarding the judges, yet he should of been smart enough not to say something about a guy who is untouchable at the moment and friends with Ben and Joe.
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Before Shawn, Vyotech had some cartoon bodybuilder with purple jelly around his mouth like he had just got finished giving a blowjob to Grimace from McDonalds and basically none of that stuff sold.
When were you sponsored by Vyotech.
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Chick, I seriously doubt a Suspended "Alleged" Drug Dealer who pled No Contest,
A Former member of the IFBB shorty without a job,
And a Fat Man wrapped in Bed Sheets for clothes living on an Island is the South Pacific will ever really impact, change or affect the challenges in our sport and federation. :-\
So let the mud slinging continue, as the Orange County Register is full of bad news and this form of intertainment from clowns with absolutely no relevant effect on our sport act like Industry Insiders ::)
Hmmmmmm..."ALLEGED DRUG DEALER?"...only in your book...in your dreams...and your wishfull thinking...
I was never alleged to deal drugs...and it is obvious what you are purposely doing ALL THESE YEARS...making people believe that I maybe do DEAL DRUGS...
You got even DEA's interest...
However, you didn't have a single piece of information agents found remotely interesting to bring you to Iowa in front of Grand Jury...as they didn't want to waste any money...
You did coast them (Taxpayers) enough (millions)...as they spent fortune on my investigation...just to realize - it was only Shawn's wishful thinking and hope that I might actually have something or do something that I could regret - if agents only have a chance to search my house, gym...computers...etc... You were certain they will find SOMETHING...
Well - to clarify again: I was not charge with ANY ALLEGED DEALING...only YOU continue to suggest something like that.
I was charged to CONSPIRACY TO POSSES FOR PERSONAL USE!!!
Understand the difference?
You were starting these kind of rumors years ago - and I had to call you and tell you to stop...
You stopped for a while until you used the opportunity to speak to AGENTS and tell them your suspicions...and you are still continuing with your allegations...
You probably also called the IRS - hoping that I'll suffer on that end...
As I said - your sad view on life is: wishing others the worst...
Tragedies and missfortunes of others are your meaning of life...how sad...
And as far as Former IFBB without the job...is it too late to enter your show?
Send me application...I have three weeks to prepare...which is more than enough for me...off course if it's not too late...
After all - I better take advantage before I get temporally suspended...
And as far as my job...it is kind of hard loosing the job when you have several businesses...don't you think?
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Bob is the IFBB pro rep who was appointed. Sort of a contradiction of terms. Onlyme is right that Bob is a patsy for the IFBB. The reason he is a stooge is because of the standing he gets with having that 'important' position. He then turns his status into money through contracts with the media, etc. Nice work if you don't mind the stench.
Are you sure you are not biased towards him? From my perspective, he is quite neutral with regards to both sides.
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Paul Chua has been a Weider supplement distributor for a very long time. He was one of Joe and Ben's first distributor, and they are very loyal to him, for 30 years. That stuff goes around all of the time.
Paul is the vice president in charge of Asia for the IFBB. Like Jim Manion is in charge of North America for the IFBB.
Milos has a point regarding the judges, yet he should of been smart enough not to say something about a guy who is untouchable at the moment and friends with Ben and Joe.
I know Paul Chua for a long time.In fact he is the reason i even started competing.But all things said and done...he isn't untouchable.
What you are saying is like just coz he does business with Joe and Ben,he's so influential that it's ok for him to screw bodybuilders of their rightful placings?
Now thats dogshit!!!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Bob is the rep for pros, not amateurs as in extending the IFBB world amateurs and NPC.
IFBB pro contests take place outside of the USA. Bob stated is not familiar with what goes on outside the USA
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According to Channel NewsAsia via Yahoo! Singapore News - May 12 7:17 AM
More indoor sports could be out of Asian Games
SINGAPORE : Bodybuilding is out of the 2007 SEA Games in Thailand as well as the 2010 Asian Games.
And speculation is rife that other sports, such as bowling, might also be excluded.
This is not good news for Singapore which has been strong in these two sports.
Singapore won a total of 7 gold medals at the last two editions Asian Games.
Singapore has been a force to be reckoned with in bodybuilding in the region but the sport has had its fair share of criticisms.
For example, some quarters protested the two gold medals Singapore won in Busan in 2002, claiming that the judges were biased.
And now another blow to Singapore body-builders: the sport has been excluded from the SEA Games in Thailand which takes place at the end of the year.
Dr Varin Tansuphasiri, Deputy Secretary General, National Olympic Council Thailand, said: "One of the problem is the referee, I mean the judgement of the referee in this game. Many complain that it is not transparent. But the Federation itself is trying to correct this problem (so as) to make it transparent."
The Olympic Council of Asia has also confirmed that bodybuilding is out of the 2010 Asian Games.
Singapore Bodybuilding Federation President Paul Chua told Channel NewsAsia that he is appealing against both decisions.
Some observers say, besides bodybuilding, some sports will likely need to make way for other events which are increasingly included in the Asian Games.
Low Teo Ping, President, Singapore Sailing, said: "I think there are just too many events taking place in Asian Games that they have to rationalise in some ways. And because there is an outlet in the Indoor Games, events like bodybuilding and weightlifting may find its way there including even sports like bowling too."
But bowling enthusiasts disagree.
Jessie Phua, President, Singapore Bowling, said: "Swimming is also in the Indoor Games but it is on events which are not featured in your normal championship. It is the short course races. So in the same way bowling could also be in the Indoor Games but maybe on different formats. For instance the Baker Format where you have a team of five and you have the sum total of all the 5 different members making up the team event."
Being excluded from a regional tournament also means less support from the Singapore Sports Council.
It could also hit the pocket most.
Currently, as part of the Multi-Million dollar Award programme, athletes can earn S$250,000 for an Asian Games individual gold.
The Singapore National Olympic Council runs the programme.
It has made it clear that to qualify, athletes need to represent Singapore only in four multi-sport events - the SEA Games, Asian Games, Commonwealth Games and the Olympics. - CNA/ch
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Bodybuilding and Bowling. That seems about right.lol
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I think it should be obvious that getting more comparisons is hardly going to solve the judging issues re the IFBB and other bodybuilding organizations.
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According to some Milos is responsible for Shawn Ray's mothers Cocaine Problem as well as everything else.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=147039.0
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IFBB pro contests take place outside of the USA. Bob stated is not familiar with what goes on outside the USA
Not trying to be inflammatory here, but the post I responded to Bob did not state that at all. Also, I am well aware that IFBB pro contests take place outside the US, but the whole contest in question isn't a pro show. My only point being that there are literally thousands of IFBB amateurs worldwide and hundreds of IFBB amateur shows encompassing over 100 nations, and I don't think Bob can really be expected to be monitoring them all. The man must sleep... :D
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Hmmmmmm..."ALLEGED DRUG DEALER?"...only in your book...in your dreams...and your wishfull thinking...
I was never alleged to deal drugs...and it is obvious what you are purposely doing ALL THESE YEARS...making people believe that I maybe do DEAL DRUGS...
You got even DEA's interest...
However, you didn't have a single piece of information agents found remotely interesting to bring you to Iowa in front of Grand Jury...as they didn't want to waste any money...
You did coast them (Taxpayers) enough (millions)...as they spent fortune on my investigation...just to realize - it was only Shawn's wishful thinking and hope that I might actually have something or do something that I could regret - if agents only have a chance to search my house, gym...computers...etc... You were certain they will find SOMETHING...
Well - to clarify again: I was not charge with ANY ALLEGED DEALING...only YOU continue to suggest something like that.
I was charged to CONSPIRACY TO POSSES FOR PERSONAL USE!!!
Understand the difference?
You were starting these kind of rumors years ago - and I had to call you and tell you to stop...
You stopped for a while until you used the opportunity to speak to AGENTS and tell them your suspicions...and you are still continuing with your allegations...
You probably also called the IRS - hoping that I'll suffer on that end...
As I said - your sad view on life is: wishing others the worst...
Tragedies and missfortunes of others are your meaning of life...how sad...
And as far as Former IFBB without the job...is it too late to enter your show?
Send me application...I have three weeks to prepare...which is more than enough for me...off course if it's not too late...
After all - I better take advantage before I get temporally suspended...
And as far as my job...it is kind of hard loosing the job when you have several businesses...don't you think?
This is so typical of a paranoid drug-dealer, pushing crap on other innocent by-standers. Shawn is always turning tables on people: Flex is this...Milos is that...and pretty soon his wrath will be subjected to: CHIC is this and that...
Shawn, I just find it strange that you stop competing all of a sudden. It's really not strange; it's actually suspicious. You are the only competitive bodybuilder who was always vocally contraversial; always had to say something bad, by putting someone or everyone down. But aside from your poor bitch-slapping sportsmanship, you were the only Pro BB who I thought, had the discipline not to give up your love for competing, until you got the MR. Olympia title. Instead, you became a sidekick to Chic. That's like Chua taking a lower position, after the DOAH controversy. How do you truely feel about being second fiddle to someone who's never had much of an impact to competitive BB, as you have? And was this position given to you to shut you up (or shut you up a little), because IFBB find you as a threat to the industry?
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Shawn I give you the permission to use "Side-kick2Chic" as a new username for yourself.