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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GymTime on May 29, 2007, 04:34:22 PM
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Vince,
I remember seeing one of your mr. canada pics. Can you post it as well as any others you have from back then. The photo was kind of dark and was in black and white. I was hoping maybe you had some other photos.
Thanks.
calm down, just buy a flex to hold you over stud.
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Vince,
I remember seeing one of your mr. canada pics. Can you post it as well as any others you have from back then. The photo was kind of dark and was in black and white. I was hoping maybe you had some other photos.
Thanks.
Here's a Vince pic to tide you over:
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the striations in his chest there are ludicris. simply otherworldly.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=151584.0;attach=168805;image)
Epic Moobs 8)
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Great physique Vince!
and thx for posting the pics!
I remember reading some of your theories on DOMS. They were interesting.
What are the latest developments on your ideas? What do the workouts look like (frequency, intensity, reps, sets, ect)?
Also, how tall are you and how much did you weigh in those pics from 1970?
Thanks Vince.
Is this guy a fan or a weirdo?
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Vince,
You looked fantastic as Mr. Canada. I don't think there are many people on this board who wouldn't want a physique like that.
For the record, what were your measurements then? I'm guessing 18" arms, 48" chest, and a weight of 200-210. Am I close?
As I age, I experience the same situation as you - it's very easy to gain weight and hard to lose it. I am as active as I was as a teen ( I have been a bicycle racer since that time and still ride the same hours per week).
I am beginning to think that our high sugar, high starch diet does some serious damage to our pancreas over the years. Its just a guess.When I was young, I could eat all sorts of garbage and still be lean.
The increased onset of diabetes in the US is making me think that there is something more in play besides slow metabolism and lack of exercise. I changed my diet some months back to low carb, high fat and moderate protein. I dropped 15 pounds in a flash (about 6 weeks), and have been slowly losing 1 pound a week since then. At this rate I will be as lean as I want to be in about 12-15 weeks. I experience periodic urges to eat "junk" but for the most part, this is a very easy plan to follow.
I had a blood test recently and my "bad" cholesterol has dropped like a rock. So did the triglycerides. The doctor wondered what the heck I have been doing, he was so impressed, lol. I told him, the "Banting Diet"
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Dude had an excellent physique for 1970. Even by todays standards, he'd have a pleasing build.
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Dude had an excellent physique for 1970. Even by todays standards, he'd have a pleasing build.
To be honest i'd say it was solid for that time, not excellent. Canadian BB standards were not world-class overall then IMO, improved considerably during the 70s. Good calves but thighs for example seriously lacking attention. There was another BB from Canada that i remember around that time, Jerome something maybe Vince knows who got a little press in the early 70s.
The best Canadian BB i remember from the 70s was Louis Dickenson of Ottawa in the mid-70s. Like Dillet of Montreal, not indigent Canadian-Carribean genetics at 6'1", 230 lb. and lacking in focus, didn't get beyond some regional wins. Roger Walker size with small joints and minus the blockiness.
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Vince looked great, can't deny that.
Looked.
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Here is the first image online of the biceps-supinator
We really need a machine for this?
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Here is the first image online of the biceps-supinator. This was invented by myself and built totally by myself in my engineering factory. I tried to sell the design to Nautilus and Cybex but they were not interested. So this machine has cost me over $100,000 to patent and build. Surely it is the most expensive machine ever installed in a gym.
This machine was conceived in 1986, and first conception on paper was in 1991. I obtained patents from the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and Australia. You have to apply to each country. Then you have to pay thousands of dollars per year to maintain those patents. I wouldn't patent anything in the future! I built the first version in 2001 and then modified it several times since. The last major surgery occurred last year. I am quite pleased with this machine. There are many adjustments and it really is a complex machine with lots of angles needed. It works, though! Lots of stainless steel on the prototype. I will paint it silver soon.
Even Arthur Jones was unable to build this machine. It is undoubtedly the most complicated bodybuilding machine with weight stacks that has ever been installed in a gym. When used properly it can result in an absolutely brutal biceps workouts. You can twist the arms and get a resistance. Each arm can be trained separately, too. The curl plates are 20 pounds and the supination plates are 5 1/2 pounds.
Awesome machine................. .or you could just use one of THESE!!
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Bro...I hate to burst your bubble...but these "unique" machines you have "invented" have been around for YEARS.
Your leg extension, bicep curl, assisted chin/dip, etc.....are in just about every gym I've ever trained in, for many years now.
I'm sure your machines work just fine, but please...stop the "re-inventing the wheel, spiel".
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Here is the first image online of the biceps-supinator. This was invented by myself and built totally by myself in my engineering factory. I tried to sell the design to Nautilus and Cybex but they were not interested. So this machine has cost me over $100,000 to patent and build. Surely it is the most expensive machine ever installed in a gym.
This machine was conceived in 1986, and first conception on paper was in 1991. I obtained patents from the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and Australia. You have to apply to each country. Then you have to pay thousands of dollars per year to maintain those patents. I wouldn't patent anything in the future! I built the first version in 2001 and then modified it several times since. The last major surgery occurred last year. I am quite pleased with this machine. There are many adjustments and it really is a complex machine with lots of angles needed. It works, though! Lots of stainless steel on the prototype. I will paint it silver soon.
Even Arthur Jones was unable to build this machine. It is undoubtedly the most complicated bodybuilding machine with weight stacks that has ever been installed in a gym. When used properly it can result in an absolutely brutal biceps workouts. You can twist the arms and get a resistance. Each arm can be trained separately, too. The curl plates are 20 pounds and the supination plates are 5 1/2 pounds.
Damn Vince.. It looked like a robot
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Vince are you the same person that said you are the strongest gripper in the world ::)
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Vince. It is impressive, the physique you built in your younger days. This is more than 99% of this board or bb in general will attain.
You have withstood some major bashing here and came back. Your engineering ideas and real world experiance make you to some,, seem arrogant......but for the most of us, we can learn a few things from you.....
Props, Warhorse.
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Vince. It is impressive, the physique you built in your younger days. This is more than 99% of this board or bb in general will attain.
You have withstood some major bashing here and came back. Your engineering ideas and real world experiance make you to some,, seem arrogant......but for the most of us, we can learn a few things from you.....
Props, Warhorse.
Hi Vince Basile
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hey Vince,
congratulations, fantastic photos. great physique. you did something less than 40 people have done since; won the Canadians! no small feat.
it is unfortunate that some people can't put aside their personal agendas for a moment and acknowledge how impressive a victory it was, and how great you looked.
rik
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It is quite disheartening to find others copying my designs and companies not at all interested. I mean, should a unique invention of a bodybuilding machine have to be announced on Getbig? I haven't been invited to write for any magazines or talk about equipment, either. No wonder most of us become cynical in this world. If you don't promote yourself I doubt anyone else will. That much is certain.
Ideas in any business only go so far without someone expert & determined to bring them home.
Harold Zinkin's Universal Machine for example, was generally good but could've been better, had some serious flaws that could've been avoided IMO. Same with some of the Nautilus machines. They both found funding & distribution.
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I visited Sydney University where I got my masters degree in philosophy to consult with the head of the mechanical engineering department. He couldn't solve the problem of having the machine generate resistance in two degrees of freedom. I did read robot technology but the unique problem I had was to have those mechanisms outside the user arms. The key was having a pulley at the elbow pivot point. That allowed two forces to be generated separately or at the same time.
I would say I spent at least 200 hours on the design of this machine. Those who scoff at engineering and gym equipment should try building machines. Have a look at who has made machines for bodybuilding among champion bodybuilders. I can think of Larry Scott who had some basic apparatus and not many others who came up with anything at all that is memorable. It is quite disheartening to find others copying my designs and companies not at all interested. I mean, should a unique invention of a bodybuilding machine have to be announced on Getbig? I haven't been invited to write for any magazines or talk about equipment, either. No wonder most of us become cynical in this world. If you don't promote yourself I doubt anyone else will. That much is certain.
Hmm. Sentiments like these are what separate us from the saints: the need for recognition; the need for some satisfactory accolade. Take heart, Vince. The Roman Emperors on their returning triumphs had a slave whisper in their ear 'all this is fleeting.' :)
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hey Vince,
congratulations, fantastic photos. great physique. you did something less than 40 people have done since; won the Canadians! no small feat.
it is unfortunate that some people can't put aside their personal agendas for a moment and acknowledge how impressive a victory it was, and how great you looked.
rik
This is quite a compliment from hazbin. As he has exceeded most of this sports development also.....Most will never attain his achevied development.. ;)
Im starting to feel like "Props to you whore" tonite.... :D
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Here are two photos from the 1970 Mr Canada contest held in Vancouver, BC.
While I'm not a fan of your super long posts I think that's an impressive physique. And everyone making fun of your current physique should note that Vince not only built a better physique than 99.9% of everyone on getbig, but he did it back in 1970. Not bad. (But please, from now on, edit your posts to 1/4 their length :) )
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That claim is not acknowledged by the people at the Grip Board
Grip Board? Are they affiliated with either the Blink Bureau or Standing Balance Committee?
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The old man owned this thread with those photos! Haha, what if he looks 60% of that condition when he finished dieting?! Why does everyone hate on this dude? Seems ok to me... :-\
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That photoshopped effort is my baptism on this site. I use it as my avatar now. I can at least laugh at myself.
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With respect to Chick there is no friggin way you can dismiss machines as the same as others just by pics. Disappointing lack of insight by the chickster.
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Bob Chick thinks he is diminishing my contribution to the Irongame. I know what I have contributed. Tell me who else has won a national contest, owns a big gym and owns his own engineering factory? I can't think of anyone else.
Here is my seated rowing machine. A unique machine made by myself. Perhaps the best of its kind?
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With respect to Chick there is no friggin way you can dismiss machines as the same as others just by pics. Disappointing lack of insight by the chickster actually.
I hear a loud sucking noise
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I hear a loud sucking noise
Brutual defensiveness just for my knowing more than your hero in this case LOL
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Vince, Do me a favor and blow out that 1983 suspended acoustic ceiling and those terrible florescent lights. Regardless of what is behind them, paint it flat black and hang some low intensity xenon lights. The space looks like a 1980's insurance office with weights, and that lighting is diabolical. It's close to being a kick-ass gym but the ceiling must go.
Thanks.
Tom
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I hear a loud sucking noise
Let go of the organic milkshake, please. ::)
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Vince, Do me a favor and blow out that 1983 suspended acoustic ceiling and those terrible florescent lights. Regardless of what is behind them, paint it flat black and hang some low intensity xenon lights. The space looks like a 1980's insurance office with weights, and that lighting is diabolical. It's close to being a kick-ass gym but the ceiling must go.
Thanks.
Tom
Good advice..
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Vince, you've got my respect, regardless. You've done a lot, as far as I'm concerned.
But why one earth would you spend such an amount of money on a machine that isn't making you any money? Why? Or, have any pro's, past or current (or anybody else competing on any level) had any amazing results with it?
I hear that you've got a great gym, that's evident. But inventing machines, what's the point?...I give ya props for the brains and dollars it took to get the thing done, but why bother? After all that money you've spent, you'd think perhaps to spend a few grand more and give em' away to different gyms, just so that the public in general can see for themselves how great it is.
Anyways....
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Vince is there anything you can do to improve this. It has been around for along time so maybe you can make it better. ;D
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I will think about the ceiling and lighting when we shift our gym to brand new premises in about 3 years.
3 years? 3 years? Vince baby sweetheart... you and 3 Philippino's can blow that ceiling out and hang new lights in one weekend. 3 years... some gyms don't last that long start-to-finish.
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3 years? 3 years? Vince baby sweetheart... you and 3 Philippino's can blow that ceiling out and hang new lights in one weekend. 3 years... some gyms don't last that long start-to-finish.
Agreed/necessary
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I put over an inch on my calves and they were 18 1/4 cold standing straight up. My arms were 18 cold at the largest. I never had 18 inch cold arms before. I could pump my arms to 18 3/4 in the past but the biggest in the morning was 17 7/8. I put an inch on the arms and over an inch on the calves in 30 days.
I concluded that DOMS is the key to getting big rapidly. Get the muscle really sore and then retrain before the soreness goes away. In practice this means retraining the muscle every 3 or 4 days. If the muscle doesn't get sore you have to try something different, including training more frequently.
Here is why your muscles "grew" on the protocol: INFLAMMATION!!!
Have you read the "one day arm cure"? Same fucking thing. Not much to do with actual muscle fiber hypertrophy.
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Vince is there anything you can do to improve this. It has been around for along time so maybe you can make it better. ;D
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Vince is there anything you can do to improve this. It has been around for along time so maybe you can make it better. ;D
;D Hey! Keith you stole the Gunney's tire, off his jeep on "Mail Call." >:(
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Let go of the organic milkshake, please. ::)
Hi war-pony :)
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Vince if you trained your arms every other day when did you train other bodyparts?
I wouldnt want to do back or chest having trained my arms just yesterday, it would be a lousy workout.
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Bro...I hate to burst your bubble...but these "unique" machines you have "invented" have been around for YEARS.
Your leg extension, bicep curl, assisted chin/dip, etc.....are in just about every gym I've ever trained in, for many years now.
I'm sure your machines work just fine, but please...stop the "re-inventing the wheel, spiel".
haahahahaaa, i was thinking the same.
Those machines have been everywhere.
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Here is one of our 4-way machines for back. 330 pound weight stacks and linear bearings. All stainless steel handles.
hhaahaa, maybe i'll post a pic later of the gym i visit....
You will see they have all your fancy machines too...
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Kick ass Vince...Kick ass gym I wish I could come over to Sydney one day and have a day or two in your gym and go for a beer or two ;D
haahahahaaa, i was thinking the same.
Those machines have been everywhere.
First one he said: Online Picture...than he said 1974... I don't think these machines have been around 1974, do you know what it cost to patent those things and keep the patent? Not worth it, if it absolutely true what Vince has said that he invented these machines than the fact alone that they are Now everywhere should tell you something how original and good the design was.
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Kick ass Vince...Kick ass gym I wish I could come over to Sydney one day and have a day or two in your gym and go for a beer or two ;D
First one he said: Online Picture...than he said 1974... I don't think these machines have been around 1974, do you know what it cost to patent those things and keep the patent? Not worth it, if it absolutely true what Vince has said that he invented these machines than the fact alone that they are Now everywhere should tell you something how original and good the design was.
<cough cough> Yeah sure, i think he invented them all.
4 way back tower, invented by Vince:
(http://www.hantelparty.de/images/geraet/4_Gym80.jpg)
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Vince, where in Sydney is your gym located? I live in Sydney and might drop by for a workout. Might try out that crazy bicep machine.
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Vince you had a good physique in 1970, but your excuse for being in the shape you`re in today doesn`t hold water.
Just train hard and eat clean,no DOMS or other shit is necessary............... don`t be lazy just because you`re older.
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<cough cough> Yeah sure, i think he invented them all.
4 way back tower, invented by Vince:
(http://www.hantelparty.de/images/geraet/4_Gym80.jpg)
They stole his idea, those bastards ::)
HAHAHA Vince is living in dreamland, anything he does or makes was only done by him unless of course some company sent in spies to steal his ingenious ideas for mass production. I love when people who have a good idea get pissy when they find out someone else shared the same concept, also the fact he claims to be the best gripper in the world but both the machines are in his gym..... What is everyone supposed to fly to Australia to challenge his self proclaimed grippers title, well I have the record to highest jump off of a roof into my pool, if you want to break my record feel free to fly to my house and jump from a higher height ::) Hey Vince try to do some research sometime before making some of the bold statements you make, just because no one has gone out of their way to challenge or prove you wrong with your "original" ideas doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Vince you had a good physique in 1970, but your excuse for being in the shape you`re in today doesn`t hold water.
Just train hard and eat clean,no DOMS or other shit is necessary............... don`t be lazy just because you`re older.
Just check out his lame excuses in this thread...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=130040.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=130040.0)
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BTW, you can check out some 1970s bodybuilding movies and pics to see the machines Vince "invented" where around back then... ::) ::)
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Some of Vince's architecture designs:
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Some of Vince's architecture designs:
No, they actually stole his idea for the pyramids...
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No, they actually stole his idea for the pyramids...
Here's something Vince invented as a kid.
Too bad his dad refused to give him 20 pennies for the patent, he could have benn billionaire by his 6th b'day... ::) ::)
(http://www.users.bigpond.com/rileyclubvictoria/indexhome_files/IndexHome_Files/1898.jpg)
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Here's something Vince invented as a kid.
Too bad his dad refused to give him 20 pennies for the patent, he could have benn billionaire by his 6th b'day... ::) ::)
(http://www.users.bigpond.com/rileyclubvictoria/indexhome_files/IndexHome_Files/1898.jpg)
He also invented the Sony Playstation 3 back in 1877 but Sony stole his idea and put it on market before he could get it patented.
(http://www.tendancehightech.com/blog/images/game/Sony-Playstation-3-noire.jpg)
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bwahahhahaahahaahhahaahahaaaaaaahahahaaaaaaa
You think that's crazy, can you imagine other BBer's actually stole his idea to do the Bench Press and Barbell Curls, of course this all happened while he was attempting to get a patent last year. Hell if he never invented those two exercises there wouldn't be BBing as we know it today and Jay Cutler would not have won the O.
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Vince you had a good physique in 1970, but your excuse for being in the shape you`re in today doesn`t hold water.
Just train hard and eat clean,no DOMS or other shit is necessary............... don`t be lazy just because you`re older.
exactly my point
he looked great back in the day, now he looks like my grand-father who doesn't workout
2 guys in my gym are in their mid 60's and still compete and beat guy in their early 30's !
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What some of you people don't know is that I don't reply to some of the lesser lights on Getbig. They can say whatever crap they want but I don't respond.
Just like in the Fat peoples thread where you only respond to Goatboy, Debussey and at times DK but otherwise avoid all posts by anyone trying to make a logical argument. I mean it's not like about a dozen former or current obese people haven't made good points or rebuttals concerning your outlandish posts yet you fail to respond to a single one of them but go on posting multiple paragraphs when Goatboys claims you like fatties. ::)
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Vince, where in Sydney is your gym and/or do you have a website? I live in Sydney and might drop in for a workout and try out those crazy machines.
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Vince, where in Sydney is your gym and/or do you have a website? I live in Sydney and might drop in for a workout and try out those crazy machines.
Don't you get it, Vince doesn't reply to any posts that makes sense, insult him or something and maybe you can get his attention...
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Ok got it. Vince your a crazy fat old man with a blow up rubber duck fetish. Now where the f**k is your gym?
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Here is a G7 photo of the Biceps-Supinator machine.
can that thing go back to the future ???
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Your machines confuse me. I'm looking at the seated calf raise machine and wondering how it works. And don't get me started on the biceps supinator. Still, some pretty impressive machines Vince.
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Yeah but so can dumbbells and barbells. Still would be a fun machine to try, but i think ill stick to the tried and trusted free weights.
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Mars nice work i'm ready to throw up. :-*
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Mars nice work i'm ready to throw up. :-*
Maybe you don't like women, "pumpster" ?
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Maybe you don't like women, "pumpster" ?
Am i being propositioned? :-*
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Here is a G7 photo of the Biceps-Supinator machine.
I bet if you had called it the was-supinator it would of been a hit :)
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The Beef think this guy is out to lunch.
Long before you take anything to a prototype level, one approaches companies with a legal " statement on non disclosure." A signed SND is as good a pending patent and casts a hundred bucks or so from a lawyer.
Most large fitness companies welcome designs being submitted and even solicit them on their websites and no large producer of quality fitness equipment would develop a machine ( which was submitted to them ) without a partnership agreement simply because the bad press resulting from less then ethical practices is not worth the 10% they would have to pay out as a production royalty.
Anyone who drops a $100,000 on the development of a machine that is overly complex and could never be mass produced cost effectively is a fool. The Beef worked as a high level production supervisor for years and something far less complex would be difficult enough to manufacture ( just think about someone trying to assemble that out of the box ) it's a true homage to Rub Goldberg.
The Beef
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Agree entirely on avoidance of intricate, not a good move. On the other hand there's still plenty of room for better designs. The big name brands are still inconsistent.
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Also, check out this guy over on ProfessionalMuscle . . .
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26041
This old fart posts endlessly on every subject just to agree with whoever has a bit of board clout and is now showing his equipment ( several items he's designed. ) He is from Australia, been in the game for sometime and tries to come across a know it all.
The Beef would say it's our old buddy Vince.
The Beef
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Agree entirely on avoidance of intricate, not a good move. On the other hand there's still plenty of room for better designs. The big name brands are still inconsistent.
Good point Pumpster, however I don't think Vince is the guy to solve their problems. Oh yeah Vince, can we see a picture of this manufacturing facility / plant you own?
The Beef
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I thought about a biceps machine for a long time. The strongest position where you can isolate your biceps is the seated or incline position. That is why I chose a seated position. You use this machine as if you were curling dumbbells.
If you had lopsided dumbbells you could simulate the supination by holding the handles close to one side. The other side would feel heavier and you would recruit the supination muscles to turn them as you curled them.
It was really tricky to get everything to feel right. The counterweight is required to balance the movement because the handles are heavy and made of solid stainless steel. The machine has been made to last. Sort of like a tombstone!
why dont you just save 100,000 and curl a dumbell for god's sake?
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Also, check out this guy over on ProfessionalMuscle . . .
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26041
This old fart posts endlessly on every subject just to agree with whoever has a bit of board clout and is now showing his equipment ( several items he's designed. ) He is from Australia, been in the game for sometime and tries to come across a know it all.
The Beef would say it's our old buddy Vince.
The Beef
Vince is on many, many sites, such as..
http://forum.swt.bz/4882_0-vince-basile-and-hypertrophy.html
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=15411
http://moneycentral.groups.msn.com/MaximumHypertrophy/vincebasile.msnw
Maybe unrelated, then again same name, same country:
http://www.infolink.com.au/articles/17/0C02EB17.aspx
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why dont you just save 100,000 and curl a dumbell for god's sake?
Just look at Vinces arms NOW, compared to his 70's pics and you see that the Biceps-Super-Supinator is teh best biceps growing wonder machine there is.
BTW, Vince Basile also invented protein AND oxygen, but he could not afford the patents because he had to build the Supinator.
I heard that nobody else then Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to play the Supinator in the Supinator movie, coming out next year.
Too bad Vince forgot to buy the rights to the name "Supinator", so Arnie's making all the money... ::)
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I am currently involved in designs for an equipment company.
Complexity's not a problem at all for using a machine, but in terms of durability consider the value of simplicity on the AK-47 or T-34, vs. the Space Shuttle's problems related to complexity.
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Complexity is not that important if something is new and effective. The idea is to make something that gym owners believe their members need. This happened about 20 years ago re aerobic computerized machines. These machines are now required by all gyms.
I agree it is foolish to patent any design as an individual. Patent attorneys do not disclose actual costs for patents. Costs can blow way out of proportion. Once you are in for a certain amount you just have to keep going. It is a business decision. However, if the design cannot be sold then all that investment is more or less wasted. Try to understand that when you believe you have something worthwhile you want protection. Patents are just too expensive and patent attorneys have marble floors paid by foolish inventors. That much is acknowledged. Protection is way too expensive and governments should encourage inventors by keeping fees, etc., down but they don't get involved in this enterprise.
How many here can come up with some new design for gym equipment?
The Beef respects what you were trying to do and the way you responded to my overly harsh post. You are correct, few people can do or are willing to try ( you can't hit a home run without getting up to the plate ) what you have. Peace.
Respectfully,
The Beef
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I have modified some Nautilus machines. Here is a more effective triceps machine complete with adjustable foot rest to do kneeling extensions.
What's the pool railing dip bars with some kind of adjustable thing in the middle of it?
Some of it looks very well thought out Vince but...
...why pink?
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I made this leg press in 1987. Probably the best in the world, too. It has shock absorbers on it and the carriage bolts together. It can have two positions: lying down or seated. This unit cannot tip over.
It's a fcking leg press, just like any other leg press out there.
Your machines are fine, and it's cool you build them yourself but face it, if you buy one you get the same thing only way cheaper, given the fact you have to spend 100000 bucks to design a curl-machine. ::) ::)
(http://www.pro-fitness.com/photos/angled_leg_press__center.jpg)
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Sometimes I use materials I have laying around in the factory. Those rails were from a spa pool we had in one gym from 1990. I put them on the foot rest so people wouldn't walk into the low unit. Function was paramount there. Not everything I build will win a prize! How many gym owners do you know who even know how to weld or would get their hands dirty?
Props to you. That's really a good thing.
Your gym needs some work done though, and badly. Different lights, some color changes, some plants here and there. Do you have any free weights?
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Vince, all respect to you. You are a great guy who have achieved a lot, which is more than can be said about these internet geeks picking on you (but you are feeding them by giving them too much attention).
BUT...if I were to train at your gym...I would feel like I was in some sort of science museum. It would not feel like a gym. And the equipment does not look very solid or durable, and I doubt that it has been through the same TQM procedures as equipment from the bigger brands. But good luck with the gym anyways..
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Don't you get it, Vince doesn't reply to any posts that makes sense, insult him or something and maybe you can get his attention...
no- you're thinking of shawn ray
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I would feel like I was in some sort of science museum. It would not feel like a gym. And the equipment does not look very solid or durable, and I doubt that it has been through the same TQM procedures as equipment from the bigger brands. But good luck with the gym anyways..
Doesn't look solid? ::) Those things are like tanks.
As far as science museum, psssst that's what machines look like LOL
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Whenever i think of Nautilus and Arthur Jones i'm reminded that the machines were sometimes great (pullover) and sometimes impefect ie triceps machine. After reading about them i finally was able to try much of the line around the mid-70s. Vince's mods make it closer to what it should have been.
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Hi war-pony :)
Hello. :)
I see this thread turned into a "What vince created".....good stuff. ;D
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Great thread Vince, and fantastic looking gym ;)
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I was 5 - 9 1/2 and about 190 pounds in the Mr Canada. I was about 200 in the 75 shot.
Over the years I have always been trying to figure out what the exact theory of hypertrophy was. In other words, how does one go about making the muscles grow rapidly and to the maximum, and naturally. The DOMS theory just came to me about 9 years ago when I was trying to make my arms grow.They stopped at 17 inches and wouldn't grow no matter how much mechanical tension I applied. I changed an exercise and included the lying triceps extension and voila, sore muscles the next day. That was a revelation. I then wondered what would happen if I kept the muscle sore. Would it keep growing? Yes! I was doing arms and calves on alternate days just to see what would happen. Well, I sure got strong quickly. Two factors conspired to end that experiment and now I know better and can avoid those injuries. I was putting my elbows on the pad and I ended up with sore elbows. Apparently the sheath over the elbows became inflamed and I had to stop training triceps for a while. Today, we recommend keeping the elbows over the edge of the pads and no further injury has occurred. I need a lot of high rep warm ups to train heavy now.
The calves were a different story. I used short bouncing movements and my strength exploded. I was doing over ten sets with about 700 pounds on the standing calf machine for up to 70 reps, over and over with about 15 seconds rest between sets. I put over an inch on my calves and they were 18 1/4 cold standing straight up. My arms were 18 cold at the largest. I never had 18 inch cold arms before. I could pump my arms to 18 3/4 in the past but the biggest in the morning was 17 7/8. I put an inch on the arms and over an inch on the calves in 30 days.
I concluded that DOMS is the key to getting big rapidly. Get the muscle really sore and then retrain before the soreness goes away. In practice this means retraining the muscle every 3 or 4 days. If the muscle doesn't get sore you have to try something different, including training more frequently.
The key to getting DOMS is to do quite a few sets with the maximum resistance and each set taken to where you can't do any more reps. It remains an open question what would happen with extended maximum sets done for 4 to 12 hours a day. I am not that crazy to find out!
There is probably an equivalence theory that allows for different methods to generate the same results. Using DOMS as a guide it is possible to do whatever causes it and grow to the maximum and at the quickest rate. HST and HIT are probably not optimal methods. Volume with maximum resistance is the key.
The amount of resistance is guided by the level of DOMS generated. I am finding it is better to aim for about 15 reps in exercises. What happens is the reps drop off by the third maximum set. Doing 12 plus reps helps generate lactic acid pain and the pump. These are not irrelevant factors. Larry Scott discovered if you can pump the muscle bigger it will be bigger the next day.
My theory has been dismissed by those with agendas re science and pet theories. Heck, if something works then that is all the proof you need. Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer were smart guys but high intensity training is not the short cut they said it was. We have to find the safest method and HIT will cause injuries, sooner or later. Arthur was absolutely correct when he encouraged us to not demonstrate strength. Why on earth Ronnie needs to deadlift and squat over 800 pounds is nothing but showing off. That is definitely how not to train for size.
Progression is a key factor so one should always be striving to increase resistance. However, it is imperative that exercise form and selection targets the muscle. If no DOMS then little growth will occur. This is not my opinion but a physiological fact that will be proven once the scientists get interested in maximum hypertrophy.
So we now know how to train and when to train and how many reps. The only thing most have to figure out is what exercises to use to generate soreness. Triceps need more than pressdowns. An exercise with the arm in a stretched position and arms stabilized in two directions is required.
Free weights might work but machines are better for most exercises. I don't expect most muscleheads to comprehend this or abandon their beliefs. That is why they won't appreciate what I have written.
The amazing thing is we all knew about DOMS. We all tried to avoid it. That is the opposite to what is optimal. The body adapts. Selye was right about that. They refer to that adaptation as the repeated bout effect. You have to avoid the RBE happening and that is why you keep the muscles sore.
You don't need to get all your muscles sore at the same time. You can target adjoining muscles and get them to grow. Do that for a few weeks then change and target other muscles. I am doing triceps and lat pulldowns at the moment. Biceps are very hard to get sore. With my torn biceps I can use my biceps supinator machine effectively.
Anyway, I am just some old fart living in Australia. So what if I have one of the best gyms in the world and have invented unique equipment. No one cares and I am dismissed as irrelevant and fat. I could prove my theory but whatever for? I have conceived a machine to train athletes for running. I approached a national track and field coach and he wasn't interested. Why should I bother? There is no interest in such things. Everyone is an expert is in this silly and self-indulgent pastime.
More like it Vince this is the stuff we wanna hear! Not the usual mindless drivel that goes nowhere.
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Vince, did you train "Ivan Drago" to beat up "Rocky" in the movie??? :'(
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Its hard to tell in that picture if VInce has a bulge or not. He could be packin heat and we dont know it.
Vince can you comment on this?
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The only problem i have with Vince's "beach" shot is having allowed it without a shirt.
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I am saying that some guys fancy fat and even superfat women. It is just another sexual preference. Most bodybuilders dare not be seen with fat women because they might get teased. Instead we find bodybuilding associated with slender women who need breast implants. Quite bizarre what bodybuilding for women has evolved into. Muscleheads are usually just ordinary guys with ordinary ideas and opinions. Just read Getbig to prove this.
VINCE = CHUBBY-CHASER
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What nonsense? Roz dumped you because you were no longer attracted to women weighing less than 400 lbs, right? ;D
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Vince what is the biggest hog you ever boned ? over 400 lbs ?
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Vince what is the biggest hog you ever boned ? over 400 lbs ?
Vince's dream girl:
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Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.
Figures Vince knows her name and status. That should tell you something right there. :-X
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Dude this is 2007.
Update your Battle of Gettysburg equipment
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Dude this is 2007.
Update your Battle of Gettysburg equipment
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Vince has been too busy hitting on 400-lb women to learn any new tricks re: equpiment.
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Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.
What is this Bullshit term "size acceptance" Vince ?
Just say it, Fat Fuckers and the perverts who bone them.
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That is just a little safety fat ::)
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Cindy has a bloke. She weighs over 500 pounds and is well known in size acceptance.
Vince Basile = most successful troll ever???
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I am saying that some guys fancy fat and even superfat women. It is just another sexual preference. Most bodybuilders dare not be seen with fat women because they might get teased. Instead we find bodybuilding associated with slender women who need breast implants. Quite bizarre what bodybuilding for women has evolved into. Muscleheads are usually just ordinary guys with ordinary ideas and opinions. Just read Getbig to prove this. [/b]
Captain Obvious strikes again.
If you don't like 'ordinary' guys go to www.gotbrain.com
If you like 'ordinary' guys who like 'ordinary sized' girls stay here.
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One day all commercial benches using barbells will require safety rails. Why this industry hasn't been regulated is a mystery. I design safety into all of my equipment.
I am surprised those who are trained as engineers haven't commented on my designs. I did receive one PM congratulating me on my equipment. He had a position at a university in engineering.
Natural selection. Survival fo the fittest, literally. If you are too dumb to bench, please die.
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I did receive one PM congratulating me on my equipment.
You old dog.
Was it Harry?
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You old dog.
Was it Harry?
Vince has to be a troll. He must be enjoying this.
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You old dog.
Was it Harry?
He is lying, he never received only one PM, not even out of pity. It was his nurse, who is reading out getbig to him and has to type who told him he had an PM so that he'd calm down and take his medicine.
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He is lying, he never received only one PM, not even out of pity. It was his nurse, who is reading out getbig to him and has to type who told him he had an PM so that he'd calm down and take his medicine.
LOL
Remember the drunk dad (Dennis Hopper) in Hoosiers going crazy when the team won the state championship?
That's how I envisioned Vince right now.
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One day all commercial benches using barbells will require safety rails. Why this industry hasn't been regulated is a mystery. I design safety into all of my equipment.
I am surprised those who are trained as engineers haven't commented on my designs. I did receive one PM congratulating me on my equipment. He had a position at a university in engineering.
OK here is why. its impossible to have a full stretch of pecs with a safety bar, it gets in the way when you lower the bar to chest.
mystery solved
yours truly,
sherlock homes
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Here's a Vince pic to tide you over:
Can we se a pic of you please? Now, and when you are 65? I think it's great Vince posts here and I find the disrespect you show him strange. Why is it so hard to accept him being proud of his accomplishments?
CD
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Goatboy won't ever show his face or physique here. That much is certain.
About the bench press with safety rails. Well, the rails are set so that the bar cannot compress the neck. There is plenty of depth for low bench presses. Ditto, inclines and declines.
Since when is stretch so important, anyway? It amazes me the old bodybuilders tales that are believed by so many around the gym scene. Daily I am amazed by what people actually believe. They hold their ideas as if set in stone, too. Quite impenetrable are muscleheads. The stretched position is important in triceps and calf training. Not sure about chest.
sorry to break ur fantasy grandpa vince
you put a safety rail and think you are a genius but the idea is amazingly dumb, makes benching very awkward and ineffective.
then u go blow hundreds of thousands designing machines and polishing them till it shines. then you probably cant sell a single one because no one cares. ppl are happy with dumbells and basic gym machines that work just as well and cost much less
i am beggining to agree with chick, u are warped in the mind
respect to u for getting in shape when u were young,you had quite a good physique, but even then your physique was really nothing special
i wish u all the best in ur gym business, and hopefully u stop blowing money on such junk instead save them up for retirement or healthcare. or if you really feel an urge to blow money, i will send you my paypal address...take care grandpa
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Great photos, Vince, but you should not post photos of your family members in this forum. They will be disrespected by the internet punks. There are no limits to how low they will go
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Great stories from the past Vince, could you post more pics from your time as a bodybuilder, and less from your gym equipment ?D
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Great stories from the past Vince, could you post more pics from your time as a bodybuilder, and less from your gym equipment ;D
Did you know that Vince once punched a man in the Soul. Vince also has a pet cobra named Beverly he taught to answer the phone.
Here's to Vince Basile!!!
The Beef
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Here is the stainless steel counterweight on my Hack squat machine. This quality is nowhere else in gym equipment. The counterweight runs on linear motion bearings.
I was wondering what that was on the hack squat machine. Does it make the movement much smoother?
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Ah, it should be refreshing to hear the opinions of so many experts.
What is wrong about have a vision for a gym with the best possible equipment? For example, I make all my handles out of self-polishing stainless steel. They don't tarnish and there is no chrome to peel off.
I made my equipment for longevity. I have a son and 2 daughters who work at our club. I make things so bodybuilders will use them and that they cannot destroy. They are way over engineered for that reason.
No one has ever complained about the safety rails on my equipment. We have not had an injury with any of that apparatus, either. We have some super strong guys in the gym. One weighs about 350 pounds and is very strong. They would tell me if the equipment interfered with their training.
Sure it cost me more to make my own equipment. That is my choice and what should it matter to anyone else? I am doing my thing and everyone else can do theirs.
hey big guy relax. the only one claiming to be expert here is u, i never said i was an expert, it was just my opinion. as for blowing loads of cash on machines, i just said it was unessary and foolish, didnt say it was wrong. u can build them out of moonrock if u want to
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Bob Harms from Chilliwack and I went to UBC together. Here we are about 1965.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=151584.0;attach=169215;image)
This is one of your better photos, you look very lean in it unlike today ;D
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This is one of your better photos, you look very lean in it unlike today ;D
be nice or vince will pinch u from your monitor. he is the australian pinch champion ;D
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One day all commercial benches using barbells will require safety rails. Why this industry hasn't been regulated is a mystery. I design safety into all of my equipment.
I am surprised those who are trained as engineers haven't commented on my designs. I did receive one PM congratulating me on my equipment. He had a position at a university in engineering.
Agree entirely on the rails; it not only helps with the obvious in terms of safety but in addition, is one of the reasons i like good machines-the added safety allows further training into failure without worry.
Since when is stretch so important, anyway? It amazes me the old bodybuilders tales that are believed by so many around the gym scene. Daily I am amazed by what people actually believe. They hold their ideas as if set in stone, too. Quite impenetrable are muscleheads. The stretched position is important in triceps and calf training. Not sure about chest.
True, it's ok to question convention.
Engineers are theoretically the best suited for design but in the real world don't always come up with the best results.
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Vince's pictures own all of you guys. You all look like shiit compared to him..hahahahha
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I like this Vince character..... He knows his shit.....
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Vince,
Thanks for posting your early photos. Its cool to see the progression.
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" The Worlds Best Archer Pose."
The Beef
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It is strange that I am posting so many of my photos here. I have never put up any photos of myself in my gym and I have owned a gym since 1971. Others put a few photos up but I never did. The Mr Canada images were never displayed. A few years ago we did a history of the gym and a small image of me winning that title is in the entrance hall. I guess after seeing how many photos Vince Gironda had of himself on the walls of his gym I vowed never to do that.
I have a mate, Robert Nailon, who is a great physique photographer and artist. He always had images of here I am with so and so. I didn't follow suit and didn't take many photos of champions who visited my gym or home. I don't have a photo of Arnold and me posing and he was at my home for dinner and came to my gym twice. There was a photo of the two of us when I was interviewing him at one of his first seminars in 1974. He posed in my gym then.
Here I am with Zabo Koszewski, who was known as Mr Abs. He did situps and midsection work for 40 minutes or more. I never did many situps. In those days not many guys remained muscular all year. I visited Golds Gym on my honeymoon in June 1969. I was married for 30 and am still in business with Roz who co-owns our gym.
hahahaha, what a couple of physical specimens. ::)
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I always liked the archer pose. I tried to show Arnold in 1968 how to do it at Golds Gym but he pushed me away. I preferred to do the complete body arc. Here is my interpretation while showing Willie Vuki in Fiji in January 1969. I wrote a story about Fiji that was published in Strength and Health magazine. I will post it later.
WOW...I'm shocked. First, you try and give the barbarians advices (unsolicited) and they almost beat you more senseless than you are....and now you try and give ARNOLD a few pointers on posing and he "pushed you away".....at least you're still the same guy you were back in the day....annoying.
You were starting to look a little normal with the equipment pics, etc........until.... you took a sharp left at the corner of Stupid St. and Imanannoyinglittlefuck Ave.
You have no shame, I'll give you that...
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And, Bob, you are being the real nice guy by posting that comment here? Seems to me you are more like me than you think.
We've got two things in common Vince....Jack and Shit.
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I'm totally digging your '60's Anton LaVey beard, Vince.
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Chick did it ever occur to you that Arnold was among other great things also obnoxious, just hides it better now? Ask those 15 women or Robby about it. Back in the 60s Vince Gironda put him in his place with the fat f*** comment LOL
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We've got two things in common Vince....Jack and Shit.
lol
vince is the greatest inventor ever bob
he invented every single bb machine
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Great pics Vince.
Thanks for sharing.
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Bob is killing me!! LOL :)
Vince,you`re probably a great guy in person,but on the board you come off as a rude,obnoxious know itall,and it seems that the only opinion or threads that matter to you are your own.
G`day mate!!
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Bob is killing me!! LOL :)
Vince,you`re probably a great guy in person,but on the board you come off as a rude,obnoxious know itall,and it seems that the only opinion or threads that matter to you are your own.
G`day mate!!
Vince is totally delusional. He thinks he's the smartest person alive.
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on the board you come off as a rude,obnoxious know itall,and it seems that the only opinion or threads that matter to you are your own.
What gets me most is how ol' Basile goes on and on about what an obvious clown Goodrum is - yet he can't understand why Goodrum doesn't get it!
Total inability to self-assess.
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What gets me most is how ol' Basile goes on and on about what an obvious clown Goodrum is - yet he can't understand why Goodrum doesn't get it!
Total inability to self-assess.
haha, monster truth.
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Bob is killing me!! LOL :)
Vince,you`re probably a great guy in person,but on the board you come off as a rude,obnoxious know itall,and it seems that the only opinion or threads that matter to you are your own.
G`day mate!!
I totally agree with you, I want to like him but I can stand but hate his online personality. I highly doubt he acts the same way offline, I am also very sure he is a great gym owner and very into the business unlike some owners. I would def sign up at his gym if I lived in the area...
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Vince is totally delusional. He thinks he's the smartest person alive.
That's not possible, since everyone knows Bethany Carter Howlett I is the smartest person alive!
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Here is a sculpture I did in 1983. It was my vision of an ideal female muscular form.
What were you thinking, Vince? Her penoris wouldn't even get an "honorable mention" in today's IFBB.
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Based on those sculptures Vince like's em slightly bottom-heavy with decent caboose. He's probably in heaven watching sprinters.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=151584.0;attach=169367;image)
Holy Crap :o
How did Paul not win the Olympia. His physique was definitely at it's best in '92-'93. I think he just did what a lot of guys do, get their pro card and take the foot off the pedal and not train as hard.
SERGIO!!!!
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A couple things......
The bicep supinator machine is different from what I can tell because it appears there's tension through the supination.
To my knowledge....I don't know of one other out there that does.
But....
The cabling looks to be rigged at 50% or less. I did a basic "once over" but the ratio's looked reduced. Not saying thats good or bad....especially with a small muscle group you want smaller increments in adjustments, but you're claiming it to be higher.
Second.....
All of those freeweight machines aint worth a piss if you don't have enough weight. You built them (for some odd reason) to accept Std 1" dia. plates especially when during that time everything was being built with 2" Intl. Looks like you have a bunch of 50's, but when you're training legs....you got no damn 100's. In another words....aint worth a piss. Unless you got a ton or so 100's with 1" dia laying around...but talk about a needle in a haystack.
When I get time, I'll examine more in detail some of your designs. Some looked 'interesting' but others look dumb as hell. You have some design flaws & some of your 'inventions' look downright unsafe.
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It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert in bodybuilding and engineering. Thanks for the criticism.
There are no 1" plates in my gym. Most have 1 1/8 inch holes. We have plenty of Olympic plates, too.
The biceps supinator has two weight stacks. The small stack has 5.5 pound plates and the big stack has 20 pound plates. There is enough for anyone so far.
So that piece of shit leg apparatus has 1" plate holders for 1 1/8" plates......
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I am going out for the day.
Out looking for chubby chicks to chase, Vince?
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WOW...I'm shocked. First, you try and give the barbarians advices (unsolicited) and they almost beat you more senseless than you are....and now you try and give ARNOLD a few pointers on posing and he "pushed you away".....at least you're still the same guy you were back in the day....annoying.
You were starting to look a little normal with the equipment pics, etc........until.... you took a sharp left at the corner of Stupid St. and Imanannoyinglittlefuck Ave.
You have no shame, I'll give you that...
You are proving that you are a true asshole. What kind of "athletes rep"would spend his time talking shit about former bodybuilders? You would, fuckface! Major solidarity..or perhaps major envy that Vince has accomplished more than you. Oh...you have accomplished being the Weider Schmoes paid and certified lier.
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the amount of retardation involved in building these revolutionary machines is mind boggling.
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WOW...I'm shocked. First, you try and give the barbarians advices (unsolicited) and they almost beat you more senseless than you are....and now you try and give ARNOLD a few pointers on posing and he "pushed you away".....at least you're still the same guy you were back in the day....annoying.
You're an idiot, Bob. In 2007 Arnold may be a living legand, but way back in 1968 he was just another up and coming bodybuilder, and at that point in time it hardly would have been presumptuous on Vince's part to offer him advice.
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Why would any one label a piece of gym equipment "shit leg apparatus"? Only on Getbig. Then you wonder why I don't want to discuss things with you guys.
Most of my plates have 29mm holes in the center and the weight holders are 1 1/8" I went with the York cast plates and we have about 100 X 20 kg plates and 110 X 10 kg plates.
I am going out for the day.
so...no 100lbs plates?
Like I said....for a leg piece....thats f'n worthless.
you built it for women...congratulations! Maybe you can build equipment for Curves.
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so...no 100lbs plates?
Like I said....for a leg piece....thats f'n worthless.
you built it for women...congratulations! Maybe you can build equipment for Curves.
Planet Fitness is another good potential customer for him!
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Planet Fitness is another good potential customer for him!
Fat Chicks go to Curves
you know where Vince is hanging
;D
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Based on those sculptures Vince like's em slightly bottom-heavy with decent caboose. He's probably in heaven watching sprinters.
Bottom-heavy is where it's at.
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You are proving that you are a true asshole. What kind of "athletes rep"would spend his time talking shit about former bodybuilders? You would, fuckface! Major solidarity..or perhaps major envy that Vince has accomplished more than you. Oh...you have accomplished being the Weider Schmoes paid and certified lier.
The chickster vying with Shawn Ray for resident name getbig douchebag.
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My mate Harry Daniels in Vancouver. He was a simple but genuine guy. I always had time for Harry. Last time I saw him he said he was a member of all gyms. This shot was taken outside Doug Hepburn's place. I will see if I can find a photo of Doug.
Harry had big arms and was quite strong. He never competed or got in contest condition. I don't think he ever got married, either. He used to record music from the radio. He was at my farewell party in 1987 when I was in Vancouver. Now that is a pretty city.
Vince,
Why post about Harry? Was he that genuine that we needed to know about him?
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So that piece of shit leg apparatus has 1" plate holders for 1 1/8" plates......
In Vince's defense (only one for tonight), with the angle on that squat machine, I do not think you would be able to do as much weight on it as with a regular hack squat.
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In Vince's defense (only one for tonight), with the angle on that squat machine, I do not think you would be able to do as much weight on it as with a regular hack squat.
Are you serious? What if I drop an object from my hand? Will it hit the ground or stay in the air?
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Will you stay in shape or get fat like Vince Basile?
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I hope I die young!!!! I dont want to grow up to be an old man!!
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Are you serious? What if I drop an object from my hand? Will it hit the ground or stay in the air?
Don't try to outsmart VVV, he might actually try this out and hurt himself!
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Will you stay in shape or get fat like Vince Basile?
Stay in shape.
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I hope I die young!!!! I dont want to grow up to be an old man!!
fucking most stupid thing somebody could say. ::)
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Vince B is A ok in my book
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Vince B is A ok in my book
Burn that book.
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Man if you need any more prove that this board is at time a little to harsh... look for no substitutes
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Then you wonder why I don't want to discuss things with you guys.
Please identify this wonderer, Vince.
Also, in the future, can you not want to discuss things in less than 1,000 pretentious blue words per post.
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You're an idiot, Bob. In 2007 Arnold may be a living legand, but way back in 1968 he was just another up and coming bodybuilder, and at that point in time it hardly would have been presumptuous on Vince's part to offer him advice.
I guess he was a pretty good "up and coming bodybuilder" ....being that he had already won the Mr. Europe and Mr. Universe TWICE...
The advices Vince was giving (BTW...who the fuck was HE?) was unsoliciated....as usual.
idiot.
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I guess he was a pretty good "up and coming bodybuilder" ....being that he had already won the Mr. Europe and Mr. Universe TWICE...
The advices Vince was giving (BTW...who the fuck was HE?) was unsoliciated....as usual.
idiot.
vince is one of those old dudes that tries to tell everyone how to train
standing watching as you workout giving unsolicited shit advice
then boring the shit out of you with 50 year old pics
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I guess he was a pretty good "up and coming bodybuilder" ....being that he had already won the Mr. Europe and Mr. Universe TWICE...
The advices Vince was giving (BTW...who the fuck was HE?) was unsoliciated....as usual.
idiot.
But Bob, it was the worlds best advice.
The Beef
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Vince was trying to give Arnold the wrong advices...
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Vince looked like a swimmer.....
No wonder Arnold just looked at him like he was crazy
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Vince looked like a swimmer.....
No wonder Arnold just looked at him like he was crazy
haha dont hurt his pride now, he is still living in 1970 when he won mr canada against god knows what kind of lineup
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Vince was trying to give Arnold the wrong advices...
Well thankfully for this thread, bodybuilding, the movie industry, and the state of California... Arnold never listened.
Wow, thats deep... imagine everything I mentioned without Arnolds influence... if Arnold had never existed in any of those areas... DAMN thats thought provoking.
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Well thankfully for this thread, bodybuilding, the movie industry, and the state of California... Arnold never listened.
Wow, thats deep... imagine everything I mentioned without Arnolds influence... if Arnold had never existed in any of those areas... DAMN thats thought provoking.
Arnold has changed the whole world during his lifetime so far in so many aspects. He is going to go down as one of the most influential people of all time. Where as Vince has trouble changing his senior diapers and has influenced fat people that's it's ok to be the way they are cause it's not their fault. ::) ::) ::)
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Vince was trying to give Arnold the wrong advices...
Hey asshole! How do you know what advise he was giving? The way you are dissing an another bodybuilder is sickening. Your asshole is actually bigger than Shawn Rays. You are a bitch!
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Hey asshole! How do you know what advise he was giving? The way you are dissing an another bodybuilder is sickening. Your asshole is actually bigger than Shawn Rays. You are a bitch!
Bob is a child that thinks he is being funny, but, instead comes off as childish and arrogant. Kind of like that little cousin you have at Thanksgiving who starts to yell and scream when people stop paying attention to them.
This thread had nothing to do with Bob at the start and shouldn't have anything to do with him anywhere else. Big surprise he spoke up though, and so eloquently at that...
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I guess he was a pretty good "up and coming bodybuilder" ....being that he had already won the Mr. Europe and Mr. Universe TWICE...
The advices Vince was giving (BTW...who the fuck was HE?) was unsoliciated....as usual.
idiot.
Hey Bob you are supposed to be a professional, how about maybe you give us kiddies here a heads up on how to do that? It would really be appreciated and I am sure we would be the most popular kids in grade 5 with your help.
Your attempts at discussion and humour are laughable. You should spend more time lifting weights and eating as they seem to be things you are good at. Typing up (or thinking for that matter) complete thoughts doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
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I appreciate that there are quite a few highly intelligent guys on this forum.
I also appreciate that too. ;)
Bob is painting himself into a corner here and I hope he changes his attitude.
You shouldn't reply to his comments, it will only make the fight go on and on..
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Lots of people tried to help Arnold. Sometimes he listened and sometimes he didn't. Now, either I am right about posing or I know very little about that art. Arnold seemed like the proverbial musclebound guy when he arrived at Golds and Vince's Gyms in October 1968. I arrived there during the same week Arnold did. Arnold posed for photos and he let me measure his biceps and around the shoulders. He said to come back in a couple of weeks before I could measure his calves. Arms were 21 1/2 and about 62 around the shoulders. He was quite approachable and always seemed to be the center of attention. He did his own thing in those days and had a lot of fun.
When he was at my penthouse in Manly in 1974 after giving posing displays and seminars at my gym and Tony's Gym we talked about bodybuilding, acting and other things. I told him he would never make it in the movies because even the great Steve Reeves didn't do that well and Steve was a hero because of his Hercules successes. Arnold literally thanked me because he said that makes him try harder. Who would have believed the success ahead for Arnold? They found the perfect vehicle for him. A role that was half man and half machine! That was believable and Arnold became a star.
I am still not happy that Arnold, who was the guest of honour, left the lounge room and was later found in a bedroom. There was no scandal because everyone bent over backwards to help Arnold.
Arnold shared a house with Paul Graham, Ken Moran and I think Bob Bruce in late 1968. This is what Ken Moran told me and Paul never denied it. Paul went to jail for exporting stolen cars to Australia. I was there in Honolulu when the FBI nabbed him. There was a cartoon in the Honolulu paper on the front page of "Mr Australia" lifting a car. Paul never won Mr Australia but came second. Ken Moran came to Vancouver with a red almost new Boss Mustang. Apparently he had to leave LA fast because he said he was in an accident for driving on the wrong side of the road. Amazing that he was rich enough to buy that car. Even though Paul spent over 2 years in jail in America he was allowed to be at Arnold's wedding years later. From what I read of the immigration laws that shouldn't have been possible for people convicted of crimes and deported from the USA. Paul is still the IFBB vice-president and no one can get rid of him in the Australian bodybuilding scene.
I had to be belittled by both Paul and Arnold in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. I protested at the judges meeting that Roger Walker had already won and someone else should have a chance like they did in the Mr America contest. No one supported me at the meeting. Roger won and I was put last. Paul gave me 25 points out of 100 and Arnold also put me last. Do you think I admire what Arnold and Paul did that day? They thought it was funny. I was blamed for booing at Robert Nailon the week before when many felt Hans Myer should have won the Mr NSW. I heard they were going to get even with me in Melbourne. I warned Frank Burwash that Paul was going to put me down. He did nothing and let it happen. I have a letter from Frank confirming what Paul and Arnold did. I was a fool to enter that show. It turned out to be my last contest because I tore a biceps a few years later.
Fast forward another 5 years and there is Arnold winning the Mr Olympia with mate Brendan Ryan, a junior competitor, judging while Peter McCarthy, many times Mr Australia, had to be the alternate judge because he mysteriously missed the judges meeting. Peter was there but didn't know the meeting was taking place. He got there late so wasn't allowed to judge. What a travesty. Arnold might have been the best bodybuilder on stage but there were irregularities in the judging process. I have all the score sheets somewhere so will write another story about that contest. No magazine would publish my story and I gave my copy to Mike Mentzer. I doubt it still exists.
I am writing these comments under my own name. Do you think those guys would do nothing if what I said wasn't true? They fixed the contest so that I would place last. That is a fact. Can anyone think of more despicable behaviour for a Mr Olympia than fixing a contest while he is judging? There was Arnold in Pumping Iron giving 'bad advices' to that hapless youth who was told to scream while he posed. Yeah, Arnold was a card. He knew he was going to win in 1975 in Pretoria. Do you honestly believe they would have allowed Serge Nubret to win that contest in a country ruled by apartheid? They wouldn't and they didn't.
Arnold is a good talker. I give him credit for being able to handle himself in crowds. He is motivated to a degree that few ascend to. How the hell did a big Austrian musclehead become reelected governor of California? The movie star feat was amazing enough.
Great story!
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Vince, you should contact Craig (outlaw53) @ Hardcore Aussie muscle. He may be interested in your stories from the seventies.
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Vince, you should contact Craig (outlaw53) @ Hardcore Aussie muscle. He may be interested in your stories from the seventies.
Are you serious Monsta? Vince would be a liability to this publication.
Monsta, do you want this magazine to fail? By recommending Vince, you would guarantee this!
The guy is self deluded. His writing style lacks creativity and flair.
Dont stroke Vince's ego. You should know by now that a lot Vince's stories are just manufactured heresay!
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Maybe I should adopt the 4 line wit of Hank the poet?
Vince, you do have a bigger set of balls than Lee Priest. I am now convinced of that!
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hey vince didn't paul graham used to pose in gold glitter paint during exhibitions and arnold would be highly embarrassed about it?
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Hey, Hank, the reason I piss so many people off is because I have a good memory and I recount all those embarrassing details that most want us to forget. I don't post lies nor do I speak untruths. I post my recollection of events and I never fabricate reality. Integrity and honesty go hand in hand. On Getbig it is quite reckless and almost suicidal to always tell the truth!
Yes, you do cop it from every side Vince. I know i have grilled you from time to time.
Vince, just keep on doing what you are doing! I find you entertaining most of the time!
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Are you serious? What if I drop an object from my hand? Will it hit the ground or stay in the air?
I'm not surprised that you're arguing with me over a hack squat machine and a calf machine. After all, Superman has his Kryptonite and I'm sure you don't like any type leg machine.
BTW, do your legs come with a biscuit??? ;D
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Vince, with all due respect the reason Arnold didn't want any advice was because too many people were giving it to him. Fact is everyone was hanging on his coattails and was trying to get into Arnold's circle of real friends (not you) so they could get some fame in claiming that they were responsible for his success.
Arnold had already won the Mr Universe and had Joe Weider, Frank Zane, Jersop Wilcoz, and of course his buddy Franco Columbo.
Truth be told, you're not even a footnote in bodybuilding history. You are trying to get fame off Arnold's hard work and others. To be, you are just a vulture.
You can call me a phony but at least I don't pretend I'm someone I'm not and I don't take credit for other people's work. Cut out this talk about Arnold being a big oaf. If he was dumb, then he would have never made so much money in his lifetime or even became Governer of California.
Again Basile, cut out the bull. You are just a nobody. Your greatest achievement was a lousy Mr Canada title. While you won that, Arnold won the Mr Olympia. Who are you to give him advice???
Nobody, that's who
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Melvin Goodrum CSN MFT will surely be a footnote in Getbig history as the guy who entertainment so many with so little. Well done. Your serious posts are the best. Keep it up. I guess the Mr Canada is about on a par with the junior title in the hillbilly divisional contest.
When can we expect you on the Jerry Springer Show? I love it when they play that music for peope from the Carolinas.
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Melvin Goodrum CSN MFT will surely be a footnote in Getbig history as the guy who entertainment so many with so little. Well done. Your serious posts are the best. Keep it up. I guess the Mr Canada is about on a par with the junior title in the hillbilly divisional contest.
When can we expect you on the Jerry Springer Show? I love it when they play that music for peope from the Carolinas.
Not all people from the Carolinas are like Vince, trust me.
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not to defend Vince B or anything, but winning the MR.Canada title is way more impressive than placing last at a local show goodrum
hope this helps
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Nobody, that's who
Sorry but, who are you? ::)
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Lots of people tried to help Arnold. Sometimes he listened and sometimes he didn't. Now, either I am right about posing or I know very little about that art. Arnold seemed like the proverbial musclebound guy when he arrived at Golds and Vince's Gyms in October 1968. I arrived there during the same week Arnold did. Arnold posed for photos and he let me measure his biceps and around the shoulders. He said to come back in a couple of weeks before I could measure his calves. Arms were 21 1/2 and about 62 around the shoulders. He was quite approachable and always seemed to be the center of attention. He did his own thing in those days and had a lot of fun.
When he was at my penthouse in Manly in 1974 after giving posing displays and seminars at my gym and Tony's Gym we talked about bodybuilding, acting and other things. I told him he would never make it in the movies because even the great Steve Reeves didn't do that well and Steve was a hero because of his Hercules successes. Arnold literally thanked me because he said that makes him try harder. Who would have believed the success ahead for Arnold? They found the perfect vehicle for him. A role that was half man and half machine! That was believable and Arnold became a star.
I am still not happy that Arnold, who was the guest of honour, left the lounge room and was later found in a bedroom. There was no scandal because everyone bent over backwards to help Arnold.
Arnold shared a house with Paul Graham, Ken Moran and I think Bob Bruce in late 1968. This is what Ken Moran told me and Paul never denied it. Paul went to jail for exporting stolen cars to Australia. I was there in Honolulu when the FBI nabbed him. There was a cartoon in the Honolulu paper on the front page of "Mr Australia" lifting a car. Paul never won Mr Australia but came second. Ken Moran came to Vancouver with a red almost new Boss Mustang. Apparently he had to leave LA fast because he said he was in an accident for driving on the wrong side of the road. Amazing that he was rich enough to buy that car. Even though Paul spent over 2 years in jail in America he was allowed to be at Arnold's wedding years later. From what I read of the immigration laws that shouldn't have been possible for people convicted of crimes and deported from the USA. Paul is still the IFBB vice-president and no one can get rid of him in the Australian bodybuilding scene.
I had to be belittled by both Paul and Arnold in the 1975 Mr Australia contest. I protested at the judges meeting that Roger Walker had already won and someone else should have a chance like they did in the Mr America contest. No one supported me at the meeting. Roger won and I was put last. Paul gave me 25 points out of 100 and Arnold also put me last. Do you think I admire what Arnold and Paul did that day? They thought it was funny. I was blamed for booing at Robert Nailon the week before when many felt Hans Myer should have won the Mr NSW. I heard they were going to get even with me in Melbourne. I warned Frank Burwash that Paul was going to put me down. He did nothing and let it happen. I have a letter from Frank confirming what Paul and Arnold did. I was a fool to enter that show. It turned out to be my last contest because I tore a biceps a few years later.
Fast forward another 5 years and there is Arnold winning the Mr Olympia with mate Brendan Ryan, a junior competitor, judging while Peter McCarthy, many times Mr Australia, had to be the alternate judge because he mysteriously missed the judges meeting. Peter was there but didn't know the meeting was taking place. He got there late so wasn't allowed to judge. What a travesty. Arnold might have been the best bodybuilder on stage but there were irregularities in the judging process. I have all the score sheets somewhere so will write another story about that contest. No magazine would publish my story and I gave my copy to Mike Mentzer. I doubt it still exists.
I am writing these comments under my own name. Do you think those guys would do nothing if what I said wasn't true? They fixed the contest so that I would place last. That is a fact. Can anyone think of more despicable behaviour for a Mr Olympia than fixing a contest while he is judging? There was Arnold in Pumping Iron giving 'bad advices' to that hapless youth who was told to scream while he posed. Yeah, Arnold was a card. He knew he was going to win in 1975 in Pretoria. Do you honestly believe they would have allowed Serge Nubret to win that contest in a country ruled by apartheid? They wouldn't and they didn't.
Arnold is a good talker. I give him credit for being able to handle himself in crowds. He is motivated to a degree that few ascend to. How the hell did a big Austrian musclehead become reelected governor of California? The movie star feat was amazing enough.
Now I both Love & Admire Arnold after reading this.
Man I hope he becomes President of the United States. We need to have an amendment to get him in!
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Now I both Love & Admire Arnold after reading this.
Man I hope he becomes President of the United States. We need to have an amendment to get him in!
"Knny" is basicaly a groupie to anyone he adores, otherwise it's basically attacks on others something like a rabid dog. Pathetic lack of objectivity; feast or famine. :-*
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HAHAHAHA Basile is pissed cause Arnold placed him last in a show he felt he deserved 11th out of the 13 competitors. ;D
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"Knny" is basicaly a groupie to anyone he adores, otherwise it's basically attacks on others something like a rabid dog. Pathetic lack of objectivity; feast or famine. :-*
thanks for the kind words sir
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No recent pictures of me???? Psst. Posting one from a show I screwed up in 2004 isn't a "recent picture" but then again I'm surprised that you can actually put pictures on the internet when you were born in the day of the cotton gin and telegram. ;D
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No recent pictures of me???? Psst. Posting one from a show I screwed up in 2004 isn't a "recent picture" but then again I'm surprised that you can actually put pictures on the internet when you were born in the day of the cotton gin and telegram. ;D
psst. you look like shit then and you look worse now. post a pic of you on roids. we would all love to see that one.
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vince your posts are very educational, and that equipment looks great. its funny how some of the douchebags on here try to make fun of your achivement while havent achived anything remotely close themselves. epic jealousy
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vince your posts are very educational, and that equipment looks great. its funny how some of the douchebags on here try to make fun of your achivement while havent achived anything remotely close themselves. epic jealousy
If only you have seen some of his delusional retarded posts... I agree he has done some great stuff and has great input on some subjects but there is also a senile old man there too. If you have seen some of these post you would completely understand why he gets bashed by some people, he sometimes acts as if he's had a stroke or three, guy has some issues... :-\
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Vince, with all due respect the reason Arnold didn't want any advice was because too many people were giving it to him. Fact is everyone was hanging on his coattails and was trying to get into Arnold's circle of real friends (not you) so they could get some fame in claiming that they were responsible for his success.
Arnold had already won the Mr Universe and had Joe Weider, Frank Zane, Jersop Wilcoz, and of course his buddy Franco Columbo.
Truth be told, you're not even a footnote in bodybuilding history. You are trying to get fame off Arnold's hard work and others. To be, you are just a vulture.
You can call me a phony but at least I don't pretend I'm someone I'm not and I don't take credit for other people's work. Cut out this talk about Arnold being a big oaf. If he was dumb, then he would have never made so much money in his lifetime or even became Governer of California.
Again Basile, cut out the bull. You are just a nobody. Your greatest achievement was a lousy Mr Canada title. While you won that, Arnold won the Mr Olympia. Who are you to give him advice???
Nobody, that's who
Ridden with faulty logic. How has he been a "vulture"?
As far as Arnold, he may well have been as described early on.
Re: intelligence, you seem to be suggesting that this goes hand-in-hand with success. Two words: George Bush.
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Here is the first image online of the biceps-supinator
Im glad i was around to witness this day.
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vince,
very interesting story.
did u ever talk to mike mentzer, could u give a detailed opinion and account of ur interactions with him etc.
i believe h.i.t is the best way to train, i also think it is sad he died so young, he had so much to offer.
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cool. anything else on mike???? ;D
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This system sure increases strength.
yes static contractions are great. mike lists it as an intensity technique in his books.
choose a weight u can hold in peak contraction position for 8-12 seconds.
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How about some pictures from the 75 Mr. Australia contest? Of all the contestants.
The Beef
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Bob almost threw me out of his gym because I told him he was fat
The next day John Terpak told me not to offend Bob or I wouldn't be welcome in their gym.
not surprised fat ass
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Vince Basile has got 47 years of bodybuilding experiance, he is a true veteran that has a lot of knowledge regarding training. He should get pro stars or expert stars, ron??????
I was highly educated by the great Vince at the following thread: On the road to DOMS.
Its destroys a lot of myths.
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you pose like a moron
you actually think you know what you're doing?
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Last page of Fiji story.
Click under the photo to view a larger image.
Thank you for explaining the internet to us, Vince.
I think i would never have figured that out without you. ::)
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you pose like a moron
you actually think you know what you're doing?
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haha are you gonna teach him, where s your pic mr poser? why all the hate for vince guys? he contributes a lot to this site. internet or not you should respect lder people expecially an trining expert like basile
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Bro...I hate to burst your bubble...but these "unique" machines you have "invented" have been around for YEARS.
Your leg extension, bicep curl, assisted chin/dip, etc.....are in just about every gym I've ever trained in, for many years now.
I'm sure your machines work just fine, but please...stop the "re-inventing the wheel, spiel".
bob you are an idiot.
Vince is describing mechanically subtle variations of machines that were designed to replicate older style free weight movements without considering the ability to make changes that only a machine can afford due to it not being constrained to just work in a plane acted upon by gravity.
but you wouldnt get this because you dont understand mechanics...which is why you posted that stupid dumbbell to Vince's first post...
FUNDAMENTAL to effective training and use of the body's energy reserves (which are finite) is to be able to apply intensity that is directly applied to the energy you have. If half of the exercise energy is wasted working through sub-optimal force vectors then you are robbing yourself of that precious reserve you have.
There is alot of merit in what Vince write about his machines but dumb-asses like yourself just cant grasp it as steroids have always allowed you to grow just by combing your hair- or applying your hair piece.
some people- the majority in fact, need to be smart about training. Having a seat below a pivot point is a great idea...however with respect Vince- a CAM arrangement is even better as it allows the user to move through points of weak mechanical leverage...im sure you'll agree.
To thos who dont ahve a clue about what im writing-thats fine...but if you insist on being a jerk about it just because you are blissfully ignorant then expect to look like a fool like Chic does here day in day out.
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bob you are an idiot.
Vince is describing mechanically subtle variations of machines that were designed to replicate older style free weight movements without considering the ability to make changes that only a machine can afford due to it not being constrained to just work in a plane acted upon by gravity.
but you wouldnt get this because you dont understand mechanics...which is why you posted that stupid dumbbell to Vince's first post...
FUNDAMENTAL to effective training and use of the body's energy reserves (which are finite) is to be able to apply intensity that is directly applied to the energy you have. If half of the exercise energy is wasted working through sub-optimal force vectors then you are robbing yourself of that precious reserve you have.
There is alot of merit in what Vince write about his machines but dumb-asses like yourself just cant grasp it as steroids have always allowed you to grow shilt combing your hair.
some people- the majority in fact, need to be smart about training. Having a seat below a pivot point is a great idea...however with respect Vince- a CAM arrangement is even better as it allows the user to move through points of weak mechanical leverage...im sure you'll agree.
To thos who dont ahve a clue about what im writing-thats fine...but if you insist on being a jerk about it just because you are blissfully ignorant then expect to look like a fool like Chic does here day in day out.
BTW, disco_stu, did you know that Vince Basile also invented the disco one night when he went out with his buddies to a bar and decided he would need some loud music?
(http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/discostu.jpg)
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lol...yeah DS rocks.
he won the dance contest just "walking" to the bar to get a drink.
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lol...yeah Vince Basile rocks.
he won the dance contest just "walking" to the bar to get a drink.
fixed, you heard the story wrong. ;) ;D ;D
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Hi Vince, I have been reading about all this equipment you have invented and how much it all cost. You rock, how come I have got the same looking machines, including a 1000lb calf and a tricep pushdown with a leaning backrest. This stuff was made by sports kinetics. I know the guy that designed it and it is not you. hmmmmmmm?
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Hi Vince, I have been reading about all this equipment you have invented and how much it all cost. You rock, how come I have got the same looking machines, including a 1000lb calf and a tricep pushdown with a leaning backrest. This stuff was made by sports kinetics. I know the guy that designed it and it is not you. hmmmmmmm?
Hey Tony, You got a cool gym. :) Great equipment, great pics on the walls (like a BB museum or hall of fame).. I recommend any visitors to Melbourne (Aus) to check it out.
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1991 Hack squat/calf machine. This is a $20,000 machine and is probably the highest quality machine ever installed in a gym. I took over 120 hours to design it. I changed the angle a couple of years ago and extended the length, too. Lots of polished stainless steel on the machine.
Hi again Mr inventor, how can you claim this is worth $20,000. More like $2000. Here are a couple of shots of my hack squat, you can adjust it from 40 - 70 degrees. It is all adjustable and if yours is the highest quality machine ever installed in a gym then this, is just amazing. It cost $8000. So it makes you look like not only a great inventor but also a great investor. You must think everyone here is stupid.
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Hi Vince, I have been reading about all this equipment you have invented and how much it all cost. You rock, how come I have got the same looking machines, including a 1000lb calf and a tricep pushdown with a leaning backrest. This stuff was made by sports kinetics. I know the guy that designed it and it is not you. hmmmmmmm?
the sports kinetics guys actually paid vince to use his designs tony.
this was back around 1984 or so I heard...
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Hi again Mr inventor, how can you claim this is worth $20,000. More like $2000. Here are a couple of shots of my hack squat, you can adjust it from 40 - 70 degrees. It is all adjustable and if yours is the highest quality machine ever installed in a gym then this, is just amazing. It cost $8000. So it makes you look like not only a great inventor but also a great investor. You must think everyone here is stupid.
nice hack squat... they should all be adjustable IMO
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Hey Tony, You got a cool gym. :) Great equipment, great pics on the walls (like a BB museum or hall of fame).. I recommend any visitors to Melbourne (Aus) to check it out.
Thanks Alex, look forward to seeing you next time you are in Melbourne.
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the sports kinetics guys actually paid vince to use his designs tony.
this was back around 1984 or so I heard...
They guy that made these pieces, Micheal never mentioned that he paid for his designs. You may be right on this. I am sure Vince will tell us why this equipment is all similar to look at.
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nice hack squat... they should all be adjustable IMO
Thanks JWB, it has always been a big hit with the pros when they have trained here, at 70 degrees it makes you want to chuck.
Sometimes I make people do 2 sets at 70, 2 at 65, 2 at 60, 2 at 55, 2 at 50, 2 at 45 and 2 at 40. It is annoying to keep adjusting it but usually makes people vomit which is always good for a laugh in the morning.
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They guy that made these pieces, Micheal never mentioned that he paid for his designs. You may be right on this. I am sure Vince will tell us why this equipment is all similar to look at.
terilli or mitsos told me that years ago... can't remember which one though.
i'm pretty sure vince had stuff out before sports kinetics was on the scene.
he definitely supplied a gym in surry hills (can't remember the name) with stuff he made in 1984 or 85 because it all had date of manufacture on the frames.
it was VERY heavy duty stuff... the frames were only 50mm x 50mm RHS but they were at least 4-5mm thick tubing because the benches were heavy to move around.
all the stacks had linear bearings which made them very smooth.
having said that I didn't agree with the angles on a few things...
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Thanks JWB, it has always been a big hit with the pros when they have trained here, at 70 degrees it makes you want to chuck.
Sometimes I make people do 2 sets at 70, 2 at 65, 2 at 60, 2 at 55, 2 at 50, 2 at 45 and 2 at 40. It is annoying to keep adjusting it but usually makes people vomit which is always good for a laugh in the morning.
actually I think ian riley put one of those in Balmain fitness when he opened it with billy.
what brand is it?
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The brand is MuscleWorks, the company was in Frankston I think. He was by far the best designer and manufacturer in Oz. He was not so good at business and marketing however and his sales dried up. Still the best made stuff I have seen. Mick Curren from memory.
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haha are you gonna teach him, where s your pic mr poser? why all the hate for vince guys? he contributes a lot to this site. internet or not you should respect lder people expecially an trining expert like basile
well....I'm sure Vince thinks he invented Posing
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Hi again Mr inventor, how can you claim this is worth $20,000. More like $2000. Here are a couple of shots of my hack squat, you can adjust it from 40 - 70 degrees. It is all adjustable and if yours is the highest quality machine ever installed in a gym then this, is just amazing. It cost $8000. So it makes you look like not only a great inventor but also a great investor. You must think everyone here is stupid.
I guess if I pay $20,000 for a pile of shit.....
it's worth $20,000
Especially if Vince made it
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I guess if I pay $20,000 for a pile of shit.....
it's worth $20,000
Especially if Vince made it
;D
I don't think vince is saying the raw materials for that machine cost $20K but that the COMBINED cost of materials, his labor (whatever he values that at per hour) during design and making of, his consumables (welding products, cutting wheels etc), the rent on his workshop etc.
At least I hope that is what he means for his sake because $20k is a lot of cash for some steel!
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I don't think vince is saying the raw materials for that machine cost $20K but that the COMBINED cost of materials, his labor (whatever he values that at per hour) during design and making of, his consumables (welding products, cutting wheels etc), the rent on his workshop etc.
At least I hope that is what he means for his sake because $20k is a lot of cash for some steel!
I think he charged himself $2000 alone for the photo shoot of the equipment
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well....I'm sure Vince thinks he invented Posing
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Vince DID invent posing, dammit! >:(
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Hi again Mr inventor, how can you claim this is worth $20,000. More like $2000. Here are a couple of shots of my hack squat, you can adjust it from 40 - 70 degrees. It is all adjustable and if yours is the highest quality machine ever installed in a gym then this, is just amazing. It cost $8000. So it makes you look like not only a great inventor but also a great investor. You must think everyone here is stupid.
i wouldnt pay more than 200 bucks for this, and id paint it with a spray, to make it all new and shiny. it looks like shit.
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Vince DID invent posing, dammit! >:(
I heard he evented this:
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Here is Vince demonstrating perfect technique
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Why I should have to justify statements made here is a mystery.
Mick Curren supplied that adjustable Hack machine to Mick Chapman at Hotbodz in Miranda, Sydney. Mick Curren is a machinist and the quality of his equipment is excellent. He used ingenious mechanisms and his equipment should have cost way more than it did. People here might be surprised to learn that Mick visited Sydney after I called him in Melbourne. Well, he actually lives just outside of the city. He told me he had heard about me but until he actually met me he didn't believe I existed. He told me I had the reputation of a legend in the industry. That surprised me because I stopped making equipment for others after I installed equipment in the Fitness Network for Chris Lee. I previously outfitted Bob Landers gym in Southern Sydney. Mick Curren agreed that my equipment was better than his but I acknowledged his workmanship was superior to mine. We both came up with original ideas.
It is always nice to be flattered but I try to keep a level head. Mick Curren came to my gym and was amazed at all of my designs. By the time he ended his visit I think I convinced him to stop making machines so cheaply for 'showrooms' for some gym owners. What happened was he would build a machine for Hotbodz and sell it way under retail. Other orders were supposed to pay for that prototype. Mick quit making commercial equipment and concentrated on home gym equipment. He stayed at my place for the night and the next day drove his truck to my factory in Windsor to have a look at my setup. I ended up letting him take a spare welder I had plus a few other things. He promised to pay me over a thousand dollars after he got home. It took him a long time to pay me but he eventually did. Some gym owners in Sydney claimed Mick still owed them refunds or equipment. I smiled to myself because these very same gym owners wouldn't give me his phone number when I wanted to talk to him. Later they called me and I gave them Mick's number. I always pay my debts and don't like it when I hear others are slack. In Mick Curren's defense he was foolish to keep building expensive machines without making a good profit. Gym owners love to boast about how cheap they acquired their equipment for. Guys manufacturing equipment usually go broke in Australia or they give it away.
Most of the Sydney gym owners respect my equipment but would not pay what I asked for building it. I never published a price list so most of my stuff was custom made equipment. I never made a profit making equipment. Ask Mick Chapman about my equipment as he has one of the best equipped gyms in Australia.
spare me the details would ya vince
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Muscle Works equipment is of the highest standard. Sometimes gym owners repaint equipment. I had some of mine powder coated but most of the time I sprayed mine with hammertone paint.
The cost of materials for my Hack machine was about $2,500 and that was back in 1991. Materials cost much more today. Most people here have no idea what it costs to manufacture equipment. Many gym owners get welders to make benches, etc., so they don't appreciate the trouble it takes to have a factory and design equipment. Like I said, most gym owners don't even get their hands dirty.
you're paying too much for your steel imbecile
maybe that should be your last name
Vince Imbecile
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Long drawn out posts or what?
GEEZ!
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I have some things to build for my gym so I can't reply to everyone here. Why Ron allows jerks to try to destroy a good thread is one of the crap things about Getbig. As many know I never reply to some dickheads and they continue to try to embarrass me with crass and insulting posts. Those posts will stand out like excrement among the sensible posts. When these guys get ignored they resort to more nonsense. I guess it is their way of being smart. Good for them.
Try to embarrass you?
you're doing a fine job all by yourself dipshit
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Long drawn out posts or what?
GEEZ!
actually vince's answers clarifies some stuff I was curious about the equipment scene in aust...
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you're paying too much for your steel imbecile
maybe that should be your last name
Vince Imbecile
I think you are underestimating the cost of linear bearings, hardened shafts and stainless steel...
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I think you are underestimating the cost of linear bearings, hardened shafts and stainless steel...
Only in "Vince's World"
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Now about Michael Gearon and Sports Kinetics. Michael visited my factory in Milperra to discuss gym equipment way back in about 1983. I did my best to discourage him from enterring this profession. He lived on a farm near Melbourne and had a barn where he could build equipment. He even used single phase motors on his machines! I told him he wouldn't survive in the industry because it was too hard for an Australian company to survive in such a small market. Years later Michael told me I was right and he should have listened to me. He now imports gym equipment into Australia.
I wasn't happy to hear that Gearon was telling people he worked with me in the past. When I confronted him about this claim he was embarrassed. One day he showed up in Sydney with a pec deck for me free of charge for using my designs for my Smith machine, for example, without permission. That was nice of Michael. I had to modify his design to my standard and do major surgery on a few of the mechanisms. I had to replace a few of his aluminium pulleys which were being destroyed by the wire rope.
Michael sold his designs some years ago to Magnum Gym equipment in Brisbane for a reported $25,000. He was lucky to get that much when he shut down his business. It wasn't long after he sold those designs that Magnum went out of business. Like I said it is very difficult to succeed in Australia in this small market.
Tony and others in Melbourne have never been informed much about the Sydney gym scene because the bodybuilding magazines have been published in Melbourne and the two cities have always ignored each other. They play different codes of football. Sydney has an Aussie Rules team called the Swans but Sydney supports Rugby League which is a form of rugby union with different tackle rules. I invite Tony to visit my gym and see my equipment for himself and then write here about what he thinks. To prejudge me without seeing my equipment is not being fair dinkum.
Thanks for explaining that Vince. I will drop in to see your gym later in the year. How long since you have been to Melbourne? If ever?
TD
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Why I should have to justify statements made here is a mystery.
It's not that you should; it's that you can't help yourself.
Read any one of your "conversations" here to verify. You're what my dear great-granny used to call "a real fucking douchebag."
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There was a training system recommended by some in York that I tried when I was there. It was doing static contractions with a barbell held against pins in a power rack. The idea is to train muscles M W and F then do the free weight movement on Saturday. You hold the weight in a different position each training day. One day 1/3 of the way up, another day 1/2 way up and the last 2/3 of the way up. You did 3 X 10 seconds holds with the maximum weight you can use to do the full 10 seconds. This was as close to time under tension that I have seen or done. I put on half an inch on my arms that week and on the Saturday surprised myself by doing a strict barbell curl with 175 pounds which was about my bodyweight then. I didn't have a power rack so abandoned that training method so I never did find out if it held more promise. This system sure increases strength.
I remember very well an article in Strength and Health on this very principle. I was concerned about loss of flexibility and muscles becoming too short/tight using isometrics, so didn't use this method. That was one strong dude in the article tho. Shoulder pressed 390 using iso training. Same guy you referred to maybe.
I kind of wish I'd discovered Flex before S&H, since Hoffman's emphasis was powerlifting. Injured myself over and over trying to get as strong as some in his mags... Never had the frame for powerlifting.
Keep the stories coming. Great reads.
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Thanks for the thread Vince...You looked good back in the day for sure...A few questions--And im not trying to be funny
1. What was the homo to straight ratio back in your day in the business? We have all heard that a large percentage were gay...Just how much money did you make in that sort of thing? Is it true you paid for your porsche that way? I don't mean any disrespect, I got a PM from someone stating that as fact..If its too personal, i certainly understand...
2. What was the heaviest hefer you and your buddy Roz doubled up on? Are we talking well over 500 pounds plus?
3. Do you have any photos of these heffies working out on your equipment? That would be a sight to see...
4.Why don't you give all your equipment a nice uniform color?
5. I notice you stated that you were almost kicked out of a gym for calling a guy fat...If that is true, do you feel so much remorse over it that its made you a chubby chaser to this day? And if so, wouldn't just calling the guy and asking for his forgiveness be easier and much cheaper on the wallet?
6. What is the most you dropped on dinner on one of these plumpies?
7. Do you show these fatties pictures of what you used to be and how do they react?
8. How long of a posing session do you do for these cows before banging them? Do they get pissed off that they want to be fcked like yesterday but you have to show them each pose and/or your actual posing routine of your canada victory?
9. When you hit a bicep pose for one of these pigs, have the words "I bet you have never seen anything this large" come out of your mouth?
10. So you make your own equipment---Is it safe to say that you have made yourself a bed that can hold a couple tons of weight for you and you fetish?
11. Who has banged the heaviest Rhino? You or Roz...
12. I notice that you know exactly how big every part of your body was or is at any giving time. I'm assuming that you are one of those gents that measure their own unit a couple times a week(who doesn't right) with that said, have you thought of altering the penis pump to make it better or have you made a machine to make the penis grow?...That may be something that actually could make some money..Just make sure it isn't pink like alot of your other equipment...I'd be the first one in line for one of these Vince(ok now you know something personal about me)
13. Lets say its a friday night about 11pm and most restruants are closed but you got one of those hippos on your jock looking to get railed but she needs a mid-night carb fix...my question to you is if you go to Micky D's down the road and hit up the dollar menu and give the cashier a c-note. Would it be enough money? And if so, just how much change would you expect to get back?...Could a 600 tub of lard really pound down 50 plus cheese burgers?
14. Last question Vince...You like your women large for sure. But was their ever a time that you said to yourself " no fucking way im banging that"???And if so, just how large are we talking?
These are all serious questions Vince....Although i know some are personal, you kind of opened the door to ask personal questions? I always thought the guys who were true chumby chasers were very skinny black crack head types...I was wrong for sure
Keep the photos coming Vince...And don't sweat Chick...He is a historian of anything bodybuilding and he probably loves the photos also...But Chick is a funny bastard for sure...
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Thanks for the thread Vince...You looked good back in the day for sure...A few questions--And im not trying to be funny
1. What was the homo to straight ratio back in your day in the business? We have all heard that a large percentage were gay...Just how much money did you make in that sort of thing? Is it true you paid for your porsche that way? I don't mean any disrespect, I got a PM from someone stating that as fact..If its too personal, i certainly understand...
2. What was the heaviest hefer you and your buddy Roz doubled up on? Are we talking well over 500 pounds plus?
3. Do you have any photos of these heffies working out on your equipment? That would be a sight to see...
4.Why don't you give all your equipment a nice uniform color?
5. I notice you stated that you were almost kicked out of a gym for calling a guy fat...If that is true, do you feel so much remorse over it that its made you a chubby chaser to this day? And if so, wouldn't just calling the guy and asking for his forgiveness be easier and much cheaper on the wallet?
6. What is the most you dropped on dinner on one of these plumpies?
7. Do you show these fatties pictures of what you used to be and how do they react?
8. How long of a posing session do you do for these cows before banging them? Do they get pissed off that they want to be fcked like yesterday but you have to show them each pose and/or your actual posing routine of your canada victory?
9. When you hit a bicep pose for one of these pigs, have the words "I bet you have never seen anything this large" come out of your mouth?
10. So you make your own equipment---Is it safe to say that you have made yourself a bed that can hold a couple tons of weight for you and you fetish?
11. Who has banged the heaviest Rhino? You or Roz...
12. I notice that you know exactly how big every part of your body was or is at any giving time. I'm assuming that you are one of those gents that measure their own unit a couple times a week(who doesn't right) with that said, have you thought of altering the penis pump to make it better or have you made a machine to make the penis grow?...That may be something that actually could make some money..Just make sure it isn't pink like alot of your other equipment...I'd be the first one in line for one of these Vince(ok now you know something personal about me)
13. Lets say its a friday night about 11pm and most restruants are closed but you got one of those hippos on your jock looking to get railed but she needs a mid-night carb fix...my question to you is if you go to Micky D's down the road and hit up the dollar menu and give the cashier a c-note. Would it be enough money? And if so, just how much change would you expect to get back?...Could a 600 tub of lard really pound down 50 plus cheese burgers?
14. Last question Vince...You like your women large for sure. But was their ever a time that you said to yourself " no fucking way im banging that"???And if so, just how large are we talking?
These are all serious questions Vince....Although i know some are personal, you kind of opened the door to ask personal questions? I always thought the guys who were true chumby chasers were very skinny black crack head types...I was wrong for sure
Keep the photos coming Vince...And don't sweat Chick...He is a historian of anything bodybuilding and he probably loves the photos also...But Chick is a funny bastard for sure...
isn't roz a woman? can women "bang" rhinos as well as guys?
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isn't roz a woman? can women "bang" rhinos as well as guys?
If i'm not mistaken, I believe this Roz character is the one that owns the gym with him...
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If i'm not mistaken, I believe this Roz character is the one that owns the gym with him...
i'll let vince answer this one...
but hey, chubby chicks need some lovin like the rest of us!... just not with my dick