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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Platz on October 24, 2007, 02:25:55 PM
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
Hi Milos ;D
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
Complain about the taste?
Try mixing 2 scoops of preload with orange flavor gatorade...and drink half an hour before the workout.
For xxpload you can use either orange or punch flavor gatorade and drink in between sets...
I purposely left out some carbs out - for LOW CARB CRAZE and also to possibly negotiate a deal with Gatorade in months to come...
But - you want HYPERANABOLISM - try my "snake oil" for a week or two and than talk about snakes or oils...
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hmm Milos got pretty big without those supplements years ago. He used other kinds of "supplements."
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Complain about the taste?
Try mixing 2 scoops of preload with orange flavor gatorade...and drink half an hour before the workout.
For xxpload you can use either orange or punch flavor gatorade and drink in between sets...
I purposely left out some carbs out - for LOW CARB CRAZE and also to possibly negotiate a deal with Gatorade in months to come...
But - you want HYPERANABOLISM - try my "snake oil" for a week or two and than talk about snakes or oils...
Well i dont think we have gatorade over here in Sweden, but as i said i dont care about the taste, it could taste really bad, but i would still drink it. BTW, what is snake oil? Is that some kind of joke? ??? Oh and B.B sends best wishes :D
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Complain about the taste?
Try mixing 2 scoops of preload with orange flavor gatorade...and drink half an hour before the workout.
For xxpload you can use either orange or punch flavor gatorade and drink in between sets...
I purposely left out some carbs out - for LOW CARB CRAZE and also to possibly negotiate a deal with Gatorade in months to come...
But - you want HYPERANABOLISM - try my "snake oil" for a week or two and than talk about snakes or oils...
That would be pretty awsome if you could get gatorade in on that. You might make alot of money.
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if you puree hundred dollar bills and blend it with your milos drink it will increase the protein absorption.
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
so you're saying having to finish your set halfway is a good thing? what are you a fucking moron?
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Well this isn't exactly a secret but if you workout hard enough you can get just as good of a pump.
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Hi Milos ;D
hahaha
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what are you a fucking moron?
Yes. any one of the sentences in his post should have told you that.
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so you're saying having to finish your set halfway is a good thing? what are you a fucking moron?
Is there a problem "Bluto"?
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Yes. any one of the sentences in his post should have told you that.
Don't embarrass english language like that you stupid POS
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Is there a problem "Bluto"?
for you? yes.
for me? no.
im able to finish all my sets at the gym, it's necessary if you want results.
maybe you can try sleeping pills next time and then you crash half through your workout on the floor? zzzz...!
when you wake up, you can come here and tell us about how great the sleeping pills work!!!
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for you? yes.
for me? no.
im able to finish all my sets at the gym, it's necessary if you want results.
maybe you can try sleeping pills next time and then you crash half through your workout on the floor? zzzz...!
when you wake up, you can come here and tell us about how great the sleeping pills work!!!
I wasnt saying that finishing my set halfway thru was a GOOD thing per se, i said that i got so strong pumps that i HAD to stop halfway in the set at times. because of the sick pump, not because its great to stop midway thru. Which part do you not understand "Bluto"?
PMS coming early this month, eh "Bluto"
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why would you want to get a pump
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How big a pump do you get that you can't finish a set? Who are you Markus Ruhl?
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in all seriousness, "Platz", you should have someone who is not retarded make your decisions for you. You don't want to be wasting your disability checks on stuff you don't need.
Is that why you have decided to hang around here 24/7 and give advice to total strangers like me, or is it just because you dont have life of your own, "Bluto".
Tell us how you really feel :)
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How big a pump do you get that you can't finish a set? Who are you Markus Ruhl?
Hey fatty, do you even workout? Have you ever experienced muscle contractions? Get your ass to the gym, fatty.
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calling someone fatty isnt very nice
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Well i dont think we have gatorade over here in Sweden, but as i said i dont care about the taste, it could taste really bad, but i would still drink it. BTW, what is snake oil? Is that some kind of joke?
Snake OilTM is the brand name for Milos drinks in the US.
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Hey fatty, do you even workout? Have you ever experienced muscle contractions? Get your ass to the gym, fatty.
hahah relax tough guy, I just asked a question. I don't want to upset a mass monster like yourself. ::)
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
Interesting.
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I'll buy Milos' drink only if he includes his specific Humalog schedule along with it ;)
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Well i dont think we have gatorade over here in Sweden, but as i said i dont care about the taste, it could taste really bad, but i would still drink it. BTW, what is snake oil? Is that some kind of joke? ??? Oh and B.B sends best wishes :D
YES "snake oil" is a joke...
Some people here believe that I sell "overpriced nothing"...or so called "snake oil" which was advertised as PANACEA (a wonder drug or cure for all illnesses) when in reality - wasn't doing a thing...
So, anyway...I am glad you like it and I hope you will continue doing it for quite some time...
I would really NOT train again - without my drinks as I do realize the difference.
Without my drinks I do consider wasting time...as I know how valuable drinks truly are.
Hide just returned from New York and he is OFF any supplements (if you know what I mean) since the Olympia - but he is religiously taking my drinks and looks like he can compete on days notice...However, he told me Yesterday - the day he run out of KNS drinks he started loosing his strength, fullness, hardness, vascularity...etc.
He asked me IF I am sure that nothing "else" is in my products - as he seems to maintain everything...and keep his condition...being OFF for a month now...
Anyway, tell B.B. that I still want to come for seminar to your wonderful country...as soon as he could organize something.
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I'll buy Milos' drink only if he includes his specific Humalog schedule along with it ;)
No problem
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Snake OilTM is the brand name for Milos drinks in the US.
;D ;D ;D
Can you make something on the photoshop...with Anaconda, Cobra and a Python?
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Hi Milos ;D
Ahaahahaaa classic!
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hear that folks, people all over the world, have been wasting their time because they trained without milos drinks.
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;D ;D ;D
Can you make something on the photoshop...with Anaconda, Cobra and a Python?
I'm not really much of a Photoshop guru. That would be kinda cool though. Maybe one of the other guys?
Att'n photoshoppers: Be the first to design the official product label for Milos' Snake OilTM line! ;D
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Milos "The Snake" Sarcev introduces the Snake Oil line:
NitrousVenomXXX, PoisonXXXPload, LD50InsuloadExtreme
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if you puree hundred dollar bills and blend it with your milos drink it will increase the protein absorption.
hahahahahahaha.
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Just whipped this up in 5 minutes..
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Just whipped this up in 5 minutes..
Common - you can do better than that...
Can you make one good one and one real f-d up one?
Please?
I'll give you a.....snake for doing it. ;D
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I got on your website but can't find any info on your workout drinks. How do I go about getting the drinks to try them out?
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Just by looking for this thread i can understand now why USA is governed buy a Moron former alcoholic
You people are so unique...
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Just by looking for this thread i can understand now why USA is governed buy a Moron former alcoholic
You people are so unique...
Half the people posting on this thread aren't even Americans, dumbass. ::)
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why would you want to get a pump
Better pump = more blood and nutrients in the muscles, and it stretches the fascicle, all good if you want to get bigger
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Just by looking for this thread i can understand now why USA is governed buy a Moron former alcoholic
You people are so unique...
This is BY FAR the DUMBEST POST I've read this Year ... WITHOUT A DOUBT ! You, obviously, don't know SHIT about Politics, Frankie.
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Better pump = more blood in the muscles, more nutrients , and it stretches the fascicle, all good if you want to get bigger
ORLY
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milos i got $150 to kill.
should i blow it on your stack or get a tub of thai anabols? i wanna get teh pUmpz you all are talking abouut.
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milos i got $150 to kill.
should i blow it on your stack or get a tub of thai anabols? i wanna get teh pUmpz you all are talking abouut.
give me the $150 and ill send you my book "how to get a great pump in chest and triceps by doing 1000 push ups"
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give me the $150 and ill send you my book "how to get a great pump in chest and triceps by doing 1000 push ups"
no one can do 1000 push ups in one workout. you are trying to scam me. rather get teh snake OILTM
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no one can do 1000 push ups in one workout. you are trying to scam me. rather get teh snake OILTM
but in 10 workouts. that way your pump last 24 hours. where as normal pump goes away.
i'll have you go up 3 times per night to do push ups so the pump remains.
this will spark tremendous growth!
phenomenal hypertrophy!
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but in 10 workouts. that way your pump last 24 hours. where as normal pump goes away.
i'll have you go up 3 times per night to do push ups so the pump remains.
this will spark tremendous growth!
phenomenal hypertrophy!
sorry bro... its between teh dballz and milos' snake juice. waiting for milos to give HONEST answer.
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Milos , youre a good man , i can tell easily.People bust ya balls for nothing , your just passionate
Let me know something , do any of your products contain animals products/by products ?
And i dont get all these snake oil comments , wassup with that ?
Btw , amazing job with wolf post keystone through to olympia ! wow
and you have a GORGEOUS WIFE! wowow
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So how do you get this shit in europe??
I won't pay 100 bucks for shipping and then wait 6 months. >:( >:( >:(
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So how do you get this shit in europe??
I won't pay 100 bucks for shipping and then wait 6 months. >:( >:( >:(
ferkin` true dat der
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ill never spend my money on stupid supplements anymore even if they work a bit,,,once u stop takin it for a week !!!everything is gone ...
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Milos;
Where are your drinks available at?
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Milos might be the biggest bullshitter on Getbig. Bare none.
To claim that it's a waste of time to train without his drinks is possibly the biggest shit ever posted on Getbig.
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I got on your website but can't find any info on your workout drinks. How do I go about getting the drinks to try them out?
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www.koloseum.com
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www.koloseum.com
how bout europe??
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how bout europe??
Maybe i can be the dealer. Misko, what do you say? :)
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how bout europe??
you're better off with this
(http://www.kong.sk/images/index2_09.jpg)
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milos i got $150 to kill.
should i blow it on your stack or get a tub of thai anabols? i wanna get teh pUmpz you all are talking abouut.
There are many ways you can kill $150..or be killed?
It all depends how you want to get killed...
My supps are something I am putting my name behind it...WORTH EVERY PENNY and I will proudly promote them to the rest of my life (until I find SOMETHING that can maybe make them even better?)
It is unfortunate that some of you would be cheep when your body (yourself) is concerned...and question IF you should spend money or not?
Some big company can make huge claims and give you BS advertisement - that nobody understands...and you will jump on the "hype"...not knowing even what to expect...but it did sound confusing yet scientific enough....
"We applied the latest advancements in nutramolecular theory to develop Wave Pulse Technology..."
or
"We have developed a proprietary Excitation Scale to gauge the sensory stimulation in our beta-testing..."
or
" Legally insane fat-incinerating serum injected with bleeding-edge lipo-reactive substances molecularly designed with rare fat-torching compounds and blood-boiling reactive substances such as Cissus quadragularis extract, GBB and Uridine -5 - monophosphoric acid disodium. AFTER A SINGLE ORAL DOSE, severe thermogenesis is ignited causing your body to reach its fat-burning flashpoint and causing such DISTURBING RESULTS that you will literally look like a walking anatomy chart."
or
"We traveled to the most remote corners of the world to track down extremely rare, immensely volatile and beyond potent vasodilatating agent like gamma-butyrobetaine eicosanoate..."
or
" Experience the difference with Amplified Signaling - Black Powder Effect and ignite skyrocket recovery with 950% more Nitric Oxide..."
or
Vaso reactive, dormant, ultra-purified, involuntary muscle mutation, growth intervention, wave-pulse, sequential activator, psychoactive matrix, thermal nano imaging, nanomolecular, vaso-muscular, nutramolecular, myo-cellular...super spectacular...P-LEASE....!
Open the pages of any magazine and you'll see some of this DISTURBING advertisements which became industry standard.
Message: talk so much and say so little...make sure that nobody understand a word you are saying...but add some scientific "sounds expensive" BS at the end - so you can justify the price...as (after all) you did travel to the most remote places in the Universe...probably back in time or maybe (sounds better?) far future with specially made pico-vaporized time machine and you have found that unique, never before seen, magical muscle building, fat burning....component that is 75000 times better than this or 9872% stronger that that.
Hallelujah!
My supplements are not so sexy...
It is simple:
exact amino acids, glucose and glucose polymers and just few more common bodybuilding supplements I believe MOST NEEDED to trigger highest rate of protein synthesis (anabolism) and inhibit protein breakdown (anti-catabolism) taken PRECISELY AT THE BEST POSSIBLE TIME - when up to 80% of the blood will be in exact muscle group we are trying to build...insuring that ALL the necessary nutrients and anabolic as well as anti-catabolic hormones will be exactly where we want them to be at the time that matters the most (which in my opinion contrary to OTHERS is DURING THE WORKOUT)!
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Milos might be the biggest bullshitter on Getbig. Bare none.
To claim that it's a waste of time to train without his drinks is possibly the biggest shit ever posted on Getbig.
Care to come to the seminar so I can prove to you that: grass is green, sky is blue...and you are wasting time IF you don't consider what I am saying ;)?
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Milos might be the biggest bullshitter on Getbig. Bare none.
To claim that it's a waste of time to train without his drinks is possibly the biggest shit ever posted on Getbig.
for once i agree with you.
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Milos;
Where are your drinks available at?
ONLY on www.koloseum.com
I am working on getting them exclusive to GNC.
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Milos , youre a good man , i can tell easily.People bust ya balls for nothing , your just passionate
Let me know something , do any of your products contain animals products/by products ?
And i dont get all these snake oil comments , wassup with that ?
Btw , amazing job with wolf post keystone through to olympia ! wow
and you have a GORGEOUS WIFE! wowow
thx
Yes, I am passionate - in everything I do ;).
No animal byproducts in my drinks - except RELOAD (3rd drink - taken AFTER the workout) does have WHEY protein...
Snake oil jokes are kind of cute...I don't mind them at all.
Wolf is a future Mr. O (should have been 2007 Mr. O)
My wife is beyond gorgeous - thx for noticing.
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Care to come to the seminar so I can prove to you that: grass is green, sky is blue...and you are wasting time IF you don't consider what I am saying ;)?
I agree with 99% of your posts, BUT don't go too far re your products. Thats was annoys the guys on here. They are probably good products BUT its not a waste of time training without them.
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Care to come to the seminar so I can prove to you that: grass is green, sky is blue...and you are wasting time IF you don't consider what I am saying ;)?
I'm doing fine without your supplements and so does close to 100% of everyone else in the world, so I know for a fact you're bullshitting when you say we're wasting our time.
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Milos drinks are just an improved version of ancient gypsy scams that "his" people have been passing down the generations.
All milos has done is replace the old knife-sharpening style scams with some aminos and sugar.
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I agree with 99% of your posts, BUT don't go too far re your products. Thats was annoys the guys on here. They are probably good products BUT its not a waste of time training without them.
YES IT IS...
And here is why:
Think...human body has roughly 5 litters of blood distributed all over...
At rest - only about 15% finds its way to skeletal muscles.
When we become active, heart starts pumping blood faster...and blood follow the movement...
When TRAINING - up to 80 % of blood goes to MUSCLES!
Think: 80% and that is regardless IF you will create additional vasodilatation using NO products or not. [it always made me wonder HOW can fact of bringing MORE blood to muscles interest all of you - but fact that your blood is EMPTY and WILL NOT cause anything other than acute pump - pass unnoticed?)
So my question is:
1) WHEN will you have 80% of the blood in exact muscles you want to develop other than EXACTLY DURING THE TRAINING OF THAT PARTICULAR MUSCLE GROUP?
2) If you use NO product and possibly increase already unbelievable blood flow to the muscle caused by known physiological phenomenon (HYPEREMIA) but your blood is "unprepared" or completely EMPTY - what good will that hyperemia do?
Yes, some nutrients will be in the blood for some of those who follow good bodybuilding diet...but did you think WHAT ELSE could make a world of difference IF you make it available?
When you saturate the blood with EXACT NUTRIENTS that can make the difference - and than use HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE than and only than MIRACLE DOES HAPPEN - and that is what you can see with some of my athletes...In short period of time they somehow 'explode'...Off course - skeptics will think it is something else...but that something else everybody uses - anyway...
3) So when you prepare (saturate) the blood with exact nutrients with my PRELOAD drink and within 30 minutes you start training...and hyperemia reaches 80% and muscle you are training is overflown in blood - which is now super saturated with both anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones (released BY content of my products) - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Well...whoever experience what I am talking about will know that simply NOT CONSIDERING WHAT I SAID HERE and training without it...is going to lead to much less productive training...thus = WASTE OF TIME.
And that's all I have to say ;).
AMEN
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I'll assume the language barrier is still a bit fuzzy here. What you mean is you believe the results will be VASTLY improved, but even you must admit that its not a waste of time??!!
Amen backatcha
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never seen anything milos produced or helped produce on stage that even compares to what guys like ronnie coleman, dorian yates, flex wheeler, kevin levrone, lee labrada, shawn ray or lee haney produced frequently...
...but apparently those guys were all wasting their time for all those years? ::)
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I'm doing fine without your supplements and so does close to 100% of everyone else in the world, so I know for a fact you're bullshitting when you say we're wasting our time.
Doing fine - winning Olympia?
I make champions who see OUT OF THE BOX...
I accept no limitations as a limitation and IF I do something I either do it 100% or NOT AT ALL.
Being Serbian from small village Becej - nobody gave me a chance to maybe one day compete at the Olympia...
When I said I will do just that - I was laughing stock of the Nation.
I publicly announced the plan:
In 5 years I will compete at the Mr. Olympia and I will accomplish that by going to US, winning Mr. Universe, turning professional, qualifying for the Mr. O and making living of the bodybuilding.
I left October 17th 1987.
I won Universe 89
Turn pro 91
Qualified and competed at the Mr. O same year
Got Weider contract February of 1992 - which I still have.
I accomplish everything in less than 5 years...
I will tell you this.
MY PRINCIPE OF HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE will be industry standard in the years to come.
Every company will accept the idea - as it is JUST TOO OBVIOUS TO BE IGNORED.
But, in our "monkey see monkey do industry" stupid is what stupid does... ;D - if you know what I mean?
SOONER YOU SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE AND ACCEPT WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS TRUTH - SOONER YOU WILL START MAKING GAINS YOU NEVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE!
And I am not using gama-testing, picomolecular technology or ANY of the never before seen yet 7-headed monster kind of supplement from the Galaxy near you...I am using THE BEST GRADE AJINOPURE AMINO ACIDS and several other high quality ingredients that are nothing else but Earthly, ordinary...but WORTH TAKING if you know what you want...and use common sense to accomplish just that.
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Getbig got over 18,000 registered members, so far I've only seen one person who talked about his result using this product - after 3 days he reports the pump is so great that he cannot complete his workout (!) ::)
It's been on the market for months now, haven't it? If it's so revolutionary it's awfully quiet about it...
And to my knowledge there's no studies backing Milos theories either...
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never seen anything milos produced or helped produce on stage that even compares to what guys like ronnie coleman, dorian yates, flex wheeler, kevin levrone, lee labrada, shawn ray or lee haney produced frequently...
...but apparently those guys were all wasting their time for all those years? ::)
Many guys I prepared are very comparable and possibly even better - but that is not the point.
All these great champions you mentioned were PHENOMENAL.
Would they be better IF they knew how to take HYPEREMIA to their advantage using my supplements - I have NO DOUBT.
ZERO actually.
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YES IT IS...
And here is why:
Think...human body has roughly 5 litters of blood distributed all over...
At rest - only about 15% finds its way to skeletal muscles.
When we become active, heart starts pumping blood faster...and blood follow the movement...
When TRAINING - up to 80 % of blood goes to MUSCLES!
Think: 80% and that is regardless IF you will create additional vasodilatation using NO products or not. [it always made me wonder HOW can fact of bringing MORE blood to muscles interest all of you - but fact that your blood is EMPTY and WILL NOT cause anything other than acute pump - pass unnoticed?)
So my question is:
1) WHEN will you have 80% of the blood in exact muscles you want to develop other than EXACTLY DURING THE TRAINING OF THAT PARTICULAR MUSCLE GROUP?
2) If you use NO product and possibly increase already unbelievable blood flow to the muscle caused by known physiological phenomenon (HYPEREMIA) but your blood is "unprepared" or completely EMPTY - what good will that hyperemia do?
Yes, some nutrients will be in the blood for some of those who follow good bodybuilding diet...but did you think WHAT ELSE could make a world of difference IF you make it available?
When you saturate the blood with EXACT NUTRIENTS that can make the difference - and than use HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE than and only than MIRACLE DOES HAPPEN - and that is what you can see with some of my athletes...In short period of time they somehow 'explode'...Off course - skeptics will think it is something else...but that something else everybody uses - anyway...
3) So when you prepare (saturate) the blood with exact nutrients with my PRELOAD drink and within 30 minutes you start training...and hyperemia reaches 80% and muscle you are training is overflown in blood - which is now super saturated with both anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones (released BY content of my products) - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?
Well...whoever experience what I am talking about will know that simply NOT CONSIDERING WHAT I SAID HERE and training without it...is going to lead to much less productive training...thus = WASTE OF TIME.
And that's all I have to say ;).
AMEN
dayum
ronnie coleman and dorian yates only drank water during their workouts and didn't eat for hours before training.
i guess their blood was empty and thus didn't get very big muscles then? just floated on by doing nothing?
just think, if they hadn't been 'wasting their time' for all those years, they could have been as big as......hide. :-[
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I'll assume the language barrier is still a bit fuzzy here. What you mean is you believe the results will be VASTLY improved, but even you must admit that its not a waste of time??!!
Amen backatcha
WASTE OF TIME DEFINITION:
If you are using method that you know is INFERIOR - is WASTE OF TIME.
That doesn't mean that you will NOT get any results or even the same results but in much later time...
I mean THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD...THE FASTEST AND BEST PRODUCING RESULT METHOD is what I consider NOT WASTING TIME...
You can walk...or you could run...sprint...or fly...or choose to be super-sonic...
Yes, you will get there...but WHEN?
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Doing fine - winning Olympia?
I make champions who see OUT OF THE BOX...
I accept no limitations as a limitation and IF I do something I either do it 100% or NOT AT ALL.
Being Serbian from small village Becej - nobody gave me a chance to maybe one day compete at the Olympia...
When I said I will do just that - I was laughing stock of the Nation.
I publicly announced the plan:
In 5 years I will compete at the Mr. Olympia and I will accomplish that by going to US, winning Mr. Universe, turning professional, qualifying for the Mr. O and making living of the bodybuilding.
I left October 17th 1987.
I won Universe 89
Turn pro 91
Qualified and competed at the Mr. O same year
Got Weider contract February of 1992 - which I still have.
I accomplish everything in less than 5 years...
I will tell you this.
MY PRINCIPE OF HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE will be industry standard in the years to come.
Every company will accept the idea - as it is JUST TOO OBVIOUS TO BE IGNORED.
But, in our "monkey see monkey do industry" stupid is what stupid does... ;D - if you know what I mean?
SOONER YOU SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE AND ACCEPT WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS TRUTH - SOONER YOU WILL START MAKING GAINS YOU NEVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE!
And I am not using gama-testing, picomolecular technology or ANY of the never before seen yet 7-headed monster kind of supplement from the Galaxy near you...I am using THE BEST GRADE AJINOPURE AMINO ACIDS and several other high quality ingredients that are nothing else but Earthly, ordinary...but WORTH TAKING if you know what you want...and use common sense to accomplish just that.
You killed your own argument - You were NOT using your own supplements when you achieved this!! Sure, they are probably great, but DON'T OVER SELL THEM coz then it sounds like bullshit - Im a sales and marketing guy myself, so I know what Im talkin about.
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Getbig got over 18,000 registered members, so far I've only seen one person who talked about his result using this product - after 3 days he reports the pump is so great that he cannot complete his workout (!) ::)
It's been on the market for months now, haven't it? If it's so revolutionary it's awfully quiet about it...
And to my knowledge there's no studies backing Milos theories either...
If it were - EVERYBODY WOULD ALREADY HAVE IT... ;)
But, off course when I say IT IS MY THEORY - some will say NO, Christopher Columbus discovered it long ago...
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Many guys I prepared are very comparable and possibly even better - but that is not the point.
All these great champions you mentioned were PHENOMENAL.
Would they be better IF they knew how to take HYPEREMIA to their advantage using my supplements - I have NO DOUBT.
ZERO actually.
mr sarcev
can you please inform me of a single bodybuilder that you have prepared that compares to a prime ronnie coleman, flex wheeler or dorian yates?
thankyou.
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You killed your own argument - You were NOT using your own supplements when you achieved this!! Sure, they are probably great, but DON'T OVER SELL THEM coz then it sounds like bullshit - Im a sales and marketing guy myself, so I know what Im talkin about.
;D
I was using VARIATION of my supplements since 1987.
The only thing - I was improving my formula in stages...
My 'magic workout drink' article was published in Flex (Europe) maybe 5-6 years ago...
But...OFF COURSE - you are marketing guy and you see me marketing my products...
What I am telling you now is: I AM MARKETING MY HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE THEORY that will be accepted as the STANDARD in supplementation industry...and possibly some parts of medicine - fairly soon.
But, I am a "musclehead" so who would believe that?
Right?
;D
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;D
I was using VARIATION of my supplements since 1987.
The only thing - I was improving my formula in stages...
My 'magic workout drink' article was published in Flex (Europe) maybe 5-6 years ago...
But...OFF COURSE - you are marketing guy and you see me marketing my products...
What I am telling you now is: I AM MARKETING MY HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE THEORY that will be accepted as the STANDARD in supplementation industry...and possibly some parts of medicine - fairly soon.
But, I am a "musclehead" so who would believe that?
Right?
;D
I gotta tell ya Milos, I may not agree with everything you have to say, but I do respect your passion and persistence.
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If it were - EVERYBODY WOULD ALREADY HAVE IT... ;)
But, off course when I say IT IS MY THEORY - some will say NO, Christopher Columbus discovered it long ago...
I'll give your products to the end of the year.
By that time not only should a huge number of ordinary people made SIGNIFICANT results by using your products, but also competitors should be in the works of putting out their own and copying the concept, maybe we can even hope of a scientific study being made and published.
If NONE of this happens, then I think it's safe to say your claims were exaggerated at best, or false at worst.
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
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mr sarcev
can you please inform me of a single bodybuilder that you have prepared that compares to a prime ronnie coleman, flex wheeler or dorian yates?
thankyou.
Nasser 1995
DJ 2000 + 2001 Arnold Classic, 2005 +2006
Gustavo 2004 + 2005
Dennis Wolf 2007
Johnny Jackson last 3 shows
Silvio Ironaman, Sacramento'07
Hidetada 07
....etc
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
does inviting = free, or does it mean go out and buy them....gee thanks for the invite Milos.
I think Milos should offer some samples to all getbiggers three or more stars...what do you say Milos?
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
Easy.
Nobody is reporting the results he claims.
No science studies backs it up.
All we got is a theory and a "buy it and see for yourself!"
That's not good enough.
With the same argument, I could get people to buy my own mix of Olive oil, Coca-Cola and a secret ingredient I get from Peter North.
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does inviting = free, or does it mean go out and buy them....gee thanks for the invite Milos.
I think Milos should offer some samples to all getbiggers three or more stars...what do you say Milos?
I was at Olympia and giving 50% OFF SPECIAL - just to have many people try it...
Where were you than?
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He has worked with Dorian Yates
billyguns has worked with flex wheeler.
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I was at Olympia and giving 50% OFF SPECIAL - just to have many people try it...
Where were you than?
Where are all those people now? A shame none of them are among the 18,000 registered here :-\
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Easy.
Nobody is reporting the results he claims.
No science studies backs it up.
All we got is a theory and a "buy it and see for yourself!"
That's not good enough.
With the same argument, I could get people to buy my own mix of Olive oil, Coca-Cola and a secret ingredient I get from Peter North.
Why dont you just shut up and give it a try ?
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
Agreed. I like Milos. Met him at a Uk Grand Prix years ago and love his passion and honesty. I COMPLETELY agree with his posting re the current judging. I just know that OVER claiming on products will have a negative effect on his sales. He SHOULD just post confidently and then back up with the names he has listed above - Job Done.
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Why dont you just shut up and give it a try ?
Me shutting up? You must be new to this site.
Welcome to Getbig!
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Nasser 1995
DJ 2000 + 2001 Arnold Classic, 2005 +2006
Gustavo 2004 + 2005
Dennis Wolf 2007
Johnny Jackson last 3 shows
Silvio Ironaman, Sacramento'07
Hidetada 07
....etc
i'll give you nasser 1995, but i don't believe that you actually were responsible for nasser's prep in 1995.
as far as comparing the rest to the best of ronnie, yates and flex, please tell me you're joking?
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Me shutting up? You must be new to this site.
Welcome to Getbig!
;D ;D Classic
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;D
I was using VARIATION of my supplements since 1987.
The only thing - I was improving my formula in stages...
My 'magic workout drink' article was published in Flex (Europe) maybe 5-6 years ago...
But...OFF COURSE - you are marketing guy and you see me marketing my products...
What I am telling you now is: I AM MARKETING MY HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE THEORY that will be accepted as the STANDARD in supplementation industry...and possibly some parts of medicine - fairly soon.
But, I am a "musclehead" so who would believe that?
Right?
;D
Milos,
These shakes are starting to make a lot of sense.
Many good ideas are initially met with skepticism and hatred. That's to be expected. If GNC picks them up, that will do a lot to change minds.
I am very wary of supplement ads, as most say the same thing, most use the same pitch, and most are near-useless powders. But I just can't shake off the thought that the science behind yours makes perfect sense - make nutrients available when the muscle is being worked.
I have a good feeling about it. When I get some extra $ together, I'll definitely try it. It just makes too much sense.
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Me shutting up? You must be new to this site.
Welcome to Getbig!
No not new just don't post here much, just seems to be a lot of negativity from you and several others on this site who seem to have all the answers. Milos and others who have been in the bodybuilding world for years that just may know what there talking about. Seems like all people want to do is discredit some of the best sources of knowledge on here.
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I was at Olympia and giving 50% OFF SPECIAL - just to have many people try it...
Where were you than?
I was at the Mandaly Bay wave pool 8). And even at 50 percent off it is still steep for something you are "inviting" us to try...Why not some free samples in the mail?
If they work I will be the first person to come here post and say they did, however I would need to try it for at least a week, to avoid any placebo effect which is what most of these supp companies rely on.
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Here's a thought Milos.
Why don't you do what a lot of other supplement companies do when they bring a new product to market.
Let a few RESPECTED UNBIASED guys try it for free and post a results log. What's it going to cost you, a couple hundred bucks, if that?
If it's as great as you say it is, it's money well spent.
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yes, and if it works, Groink promises to post recent pics.
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I gotta tell ya Milos, I may not agree with everything you have to say, but I do respect your passion and persistence.
Thanks...but what exactly you don't agree with me?
Look, as GETBIGGERS know by now...I am who I am - and will not change...
Don't want to change as I love who I am and proud of it... ;D
I love people and wish them well - always...
However, I know that many people ARE JUST MISERABLE SOULS who would call Mother Theresa a ... and Saint Michael a ...
Why?
Beats me.
I am trying to tell people WHAT TO DO AS I HONESTLY BELIEVE IT IS A BOMB...but as always skeptics will have just "something" to say...
As my athletes and clients know: I am BEYOND DETAILED...and sometimes choke people with TOO MUCH INFO.
I will never give program and say: DON'T ASK ME ANYTHING...as I want to MAKE SURE client KNOWS what I want from him...and what I want is ONLY THE BEST.
If you compete - try to win...and beat the world record doing it.
Bottom line.
IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING - DO THE BEST POSSIBLE JOB OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL.
WHY BOTHER REALLY?
How many of you are happy with mediocrity?
And WHY?
Do you understand that we are all just flash and blood...and maybe, probably, possibly...a little gray mass called BRAIN that we can actually USE TO OUR BENEFIT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE....
Why would you EVER accept that you are NOT at whoever's level at whatever?
You and only you put LIMITS in your head and say: well I can beat Susie but no way I could ever beat George...So what will happen - you might be Susie but you will shit your pants when you see George - as you already defeated yourself by thinking that 'oh so mighty George" is somehow above you.
Well, if you only think otherwise - you will know how easy is to at least fight George to the point he would quit - realizing that you are not going anywhere...
Anyway, NICE TALKING TO YOU... ;D
You were saying? ;)
Hey, I realized I miss my Coach - where is he?
Training 13th out of his 16 clients today?
Well - it is too early...maybe he is having a lunch break...eating possibly tuna out of the can...as the "old-schooler"...
Hey Coach - have a rice cake too...Today is your high carb day. ;D
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yes, and if it works, Groink promises to post recent pics.
Fuck Off ;D
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I'll give your products to the end of the year.
By that time not only should a huge number of ordinary people made SIGNIFICANT results by using your products, but also competitors should be in the works of putting out their own and copying the concept, maybe we can even hope of a scientific study being made and published.
If NONE of this happens, then I think it's safe to say your claims were exaggerated at best, or false at worst.
See new NUTREX ad...and their XXPLOSION product...
Exact words I used...possibly with the same bad English accent...
But, here is another offer:
YOU WANT TO BET SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL?
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
Chick - thank you for your support.
They simply love me...
Don't you see?
The way they call me a "F.ing A.ole" is more than apparent they adore me...but they wouldn't admit it publicly.
Oh well...
Did you have a chance to see my IFBB JUDGING thread?
I would like your input on that one...
Also - KK is koming to town...Are you considering coming to train with us on Saturday...or you are too old for that s.t?
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Milos,
These shakes are starting to make a lot of sense.
Many good ideas are initially met with skepticism and hatred. That's to be expected. If GNC picks them up, that will do a lot to change minds.
I am very wary of supplement ads, as most say the same thing, most use the same pitch, and most are near-useless powders. But I just can't shake off the thought that the science behind yours makes perfect sense - make nutrients available when the muscle is being worked.
I have a good feeling about it. When I get some extra $ together, I'll definitely try it. It just makes too much sense.
'making nutrients available when the muscle is being worked' is one of the primary functions of your blood supply.
so unless you're suggesting that milos actually invented your blood, maybe you should get a clue about human biology.
another pertinent biological fact is that protein needs to be digested first before it can be assimilated and, no, having laboratories predigesting proteins into amino acid status doesn't shortcut that process. any amino acids orally consumed during your workout, not eliminated via bowel evacuation, will not be in your blood stream for a good few hours AFTER your workout has long finished.
the only affect you may notice during your workout will be a blood sugar rise (which high glycemic carbs like glucose can cause), unless there are also stimulants in milos' drink formula.
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Where are all those people now? A shame none of them are among the 18,000 registered here :-\
I see 17000 saying some negative stuff - after NOT trying my products just like most of you speaking that caviar sucks...as you are told...
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YES "snake oil" is a joke...
which idiot would create such a joke ;D ;D ;D
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'making nutrients available when the muscle is being worked' is one of the primary functions of your blood supply.
so unless you're suggesting that milos actually invented your blood...
Vince Basile invented blood! :D
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Vince Basile invented blood! :D
no he invented std's
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'making nutrients available when the muscle is being worked' is one of the primary functions of your blood supply.
so unless you're suggesting that milos actually invented your blood, maybe you should get a clue about human biology.
another pertinent biological fact is that protein needs to be digested first before it can be assimilated and, no, having laboratories predigesting proteins into amino acid status doesn't shortcut that process. any amino acids orally consumed during your workout, not eliminated via bowel evacuation, will not be in your blood stream for a good few hours AFTER your workout has long finished.
the only affect you may notice during your workout will be a blood sugar rise (which high glycemic carbs like glucose can cause), unless there are also stimulants in milos' drink formula.
HOURS? Hahah, yeah right. ::)
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Fuck Off ;D
hahah,,,full size too, no little 10 pixel by 10 pixel pics.
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I really want to try these supplements, but it's alot of money for such a small serving, theres only 15 days worth, did you ever consider atleast 30 servings per container?
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Agreed. I like Milos. Met him at a Uk Grand Prix years ago and love his passion and honesty. I COMPLETELY agree with his posting re the current judging. I just know that OVER claiming on products will have a negative effect on his sales. He SHOULD just post confidently and then back up with the names he has listed above - Job Done.
That's always what I am doing...Being honest but also opinionated and NOT afraid to say it...
You saw my judging score from '07 Olympia - I placed Jay 6th or 7th (with Gustavo)...
HUGE CLAIM?
Yes...yet I stand 100% behind it.
My supplements are something that I am not trying to overly advertise...as everyone could see...
But, if I have few words of choice and choose to say that I will NEVER TRAIN AGAIN without using my supps - as I consider wasting my time IF I DON'T USE THEM - I mean it.
Now, as "bombastic" as it sounds I am telling the truth...
And I am NOT using those confusing "biochemistry experts only" known terminology other companies are using in effort to confuse customers with big words that nobody understands...I am telling you to consider:
IF YOU WANT TO SEND SOMETHING TO EUROPE TO YOUR MOTHER: USE Fed-Ex Airplane, Overnight service...
IF YOU WANT TO SEND SOMETHING TO YOUR MUSCLES: USE HYPEREMIA advantage (increased blood flow to exact muscle we are targeting and training specifically)
THE ONLY THING IS: Don't pay so much money for Fed-Ex service if you are NOT PLANNING to put anything in that EMPTY envelope...
Comparably: DON'T SEND EMPTY BLOOD to your muscle
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However, I know that many people ARE JUST MISERABLE SOULS who would call Mother Theresa a ... and Saint Michael a ...
Why?
Beats me.
Did Milos just compare himself to Mother Theresa ::).....hahahahahahaha
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HOURS? Hahah, yeah right. ::)
yes, hours.
can someone prove me wrong? milos??
all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first. this is an indisputable biological fact. i challenge ANYONE to produce any factual data (not hearsay from salesman and gullible meat heads) that contradicts this fact.
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Why all the negativity toward Milos and his supps/ shakes?
Bottom line is, he backs up what he's telling you about them, and invites all to try them...
Without actually using them and seeing if there is any difference...how can any of you dispute what he's saying?
Some of you are trying to debate the effectivness of a product you've never used.....???
I've never used Boron (remember that from the 80's?) as a bodybuilding aid either, but I don't need to try it to reach the conclusion it's BS. Let's face it, the entire supplement industry is based on the premise "sure we don't have any published, peer reviewed studies, but you can't doubt it if you haven't tried it". That way, by the time you and all the other schmucks out there buy several months worth of stuff and get past the placebo effect before you realize it does nothing, the supp companies have made their profit and have moved on to introducing their next latest, greatest product you "have to try".
But then again, since your entire income comes directly or indirectly from the supplement industry, I completely understand you defending the industry line.
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See new NUTREX ad...and their XXPLOSION product...
Exact words I used...possibly with the same bad English accent...
Milos, does Dennis Wolf use the Nutrex stuff or your stuff??
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which idiot would create such a joke ;D ;D ;D
Can't remember really.
You?
Goatgirl?
Squatfarter?
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But then again, since your entire income comes directly or indirectly from the supplement industry, I completely understand you defending the industry line.
that's a very valid point.
However, knowing Bob, he'll deny this too, further undermining his credibility.
If he'd admit "yeah, I"m obviously a little biased, but..." I would respect it.
But knowing Bob, cue the "I'm not influenced at all by those who give me money" line... :-\
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yes, hours.
can someone prove me wrong? milos??
all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first. this is an indisputable biological fact. i challenge ANYONE to produce any factual data (not hearsay from salesman and gullible meat heads) that contradicts this fact.
P - LEASE..."all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first"...think again...if you are capable - off course?
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That's always what I am doing...Being honest but also opinionated and NOT afraid to say it...
You saw my judging score from '07 Olympia - I placed Jay 6th or 7th (with Gustavo)...
HUGE CLAIM?
Yes...yet I stand 100% behind it.
My supplements are something that I am not trying to overly advertise...as everyone could see...
But, if I have few words of choice and choose to say that I will NEVER TRAIN AGAIN without using my supps - as I consider wasting my time IF I DON'T USE THEM - I mean it.
Now, as "bombastic" as it sounds I am telling the truth...
And I am NOT using those confusing "biochemistry experts only" known terminology other companies are using in effort to confuse customers with big words that nobody understands...I am telling you to consider:
IF YOU WANT TO SEND SOMETHING TO EUROPE TO YOUR MOTHER: USE Fed-Ex Airplane, Overnight service...
IF YOU WANT TO SEND SOMETHING TO YOUR MUSCLES: USE HYPEREMIA advantage (increased blood flow to exact muscle we are targeting and training specifically)
THE ONLY THING IS: Don't pay so much money for Fed-Ex service if you are NOT PLANNING to put anything in that EMPTY envelope...
Comparably: DON'T SEND EMPTY BLOOD to your muscle
no such thing as 'empty blood'.
if your blood is empty you are already dead.
one the primary functions of blood is to provide nutrients to your muscles.
for said nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested and assimilated first.
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mother theresa is so over rated ::)
hahaha, yes, not only can Milos heal the sick he can make them pro bodybuilders ....just a simple laying of hands and daily ingesting of "the drink" or better known as the Immaculate Consumption.
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Can't remember really.
You?
YES IT IS I!
also, to all i am currently using the pre- and post workout supplements from kolloseum.
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P - LEASE..."all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first"...think again...if you are capable - off course?
as i said, provide some evidence to dispute the fact.
that is...if you are capable - of course.
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that's a very valid point.
However, knowing Bob, he'll deny this too, further undermining his credibility.
If he'd admit "yeah, I"m obviously a little biased, but..." I would respect it.
But knowing Bob, cue the "I'm not influenced at all by those who give me money" line... :-\
Well, I am not paying Bob (not yet...at least) and he said logically: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DIDN'T TRY IT?
Yet, he, myself and everyone else in supplement industry is AFTER YOUR MONEY...and that's why you are spending hours upon hours on the net - to let everyone know that you will NOT be "taken" or tricked to purchase some BS...?
If I tell you to lift weights - I am probably also trying to lead you on...?
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Well, I am not paying Bob (not yet...at least) and he said logically: HOW CAN YOU CLAIM IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DIDN'T TRY IT?
Yet, he, myself and everyone else in supplement industry is AFTER YOUR MONEY...and that's why you are spending hours upon hours on the net - to let everyone know that you will NOT be "taken" or tricked to purchase some BS...?
If I tell you to lift weights - I am probably also trying to lead you on...?
only if you are charging $210.00 u.s for doing so. ;D
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yes, hours.
can someone prove me wrong? milos??
all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first. this is an indisputable biological fact. i challenge ANYONE to produce any factual data (not hearsay from salesman and gullible meat heads) that contradicts this fact.
Hahahaha, if you think it takes HOURS for amino acids to enter you blood stream, then thats your bussiness. Have fun with that. ::)
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no such thing as 'empty blood'.
if your blood is empty you are already dead.
one the primary functions of blood is to provide nutrients to your muscles.
for said nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested and assimilated first.
Well there is the case of empty head...and if you look in the mirror you'll see one - I promise.
Now, some words could/should be taken literally ...while some should be taken as a "figure of speech" ::)
For ONCE you are correct.
All 3 of your statements are correct:
1 - If your blood is empty you are already dead.
2 - one the primary functions of blood is to provide nutrients to your muscles.
3 - for nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested first.
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1/a - If your body is deficient in muscle building nutrients and as such that blood is in the muscle while training is INFERIOR BLOOD to my "KNS fortified BLOOD"
2/a - As 80 % of the total blood ONLY finds it's way to the muscles WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY TRAINING - I found it is the BEST TIME to send my little arsenal of anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones where I want them the most...when they are needed the most and when they could create KNS MAGIC!
3/a - And THAT IS WHY I use exactly what I do... ;D - so blood intended to go to muscles will not digress to GI track...but that is just too much for you to understand - is it?
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Milos is the modern day Thomas Aquinas in the bodybuilding world! :D
hahaha, yes, he will be charging 300 dollars for blessings at his seminars. All seminar members will be babtized in "the drink".
tipps are welcome.
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YES IT IS I!
also, to all i am currently using the pre- and post workout supplements from kolloseum.
So how is my oil doing?
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Well there is the case of empty head...and if you look in the mirror you'll see one - I promise.
3Now, some words could/should be taken literally ...while some should be taken as a "figure of speech" ::)
For ONCE you are correct.
All 3 of your statements are correct:
1 - If your blood is empty you are already dead.
2 - one the primary functions of blood is to provide nutrients to your muscles.
3 - for nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested first.
........................ ........
1/a - If your body is deficient in muscle building nutrients and as such that blood is in the muscle while training is INFERIOR BLOOD to my "KNS fortified BLOOD"
2/a - As 80 % of the total blood ONLY finds it's way to the muscles WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY TRAINING - I found it is the BEST TIME to send my little arsenal of anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones where I want them the most...when they are needed the most and when they could create KNS MAGIC!
3/a - And THAT IS WHY I use exactly what I do... ;D - so blood intended to go to muscles will not digress to GI track...but that is just too much for you to understand - is it?
So is waxy maize, carbs, dextrose, vitargo good during workout? I'm not sure about the make up of your shakes so I figured I'd ask.
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as i said, provide some evidence to dispute the fact.
that is...if you are capable - of course.
Textbooks are available EVERYWHERE... ::)
I think you have to go way back to: Kindergarten...sadly. ;)
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only if you are charging $210.00 u.s for doing so. ;D
And for some reason "Ferrari" is more expensive than "Yugo"..."Rollex" more expensive than "Swatch"...my advice more expensive than yours....
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yes, hours.
can someone prove me wrong? milos??
all proteins (including predigested ones like free form amino acids) must be digested first. this is an indisputable biological fact. i challenge ANYONE to produce any factual data (not hearsay from salesman and gullible meat heads) that contradicts this fact.
That's not true.
And you don't need some off the wall study either....just open a metabolism/biochemistry text book and you'll be fine ;)
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hahaha, yes, he will be charging 300 dollars for blessings at his seminars. All seminar members will be babtized in "the drink".
tipps are welcome.
Let me see - HOW MUCH EXACTLY DID I CHARGE FOR MY FREE SEMINAR organized mainly for my getbig fans?
Tipps not allowed...
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All these great champions you mentioned were PHENOMENAL.
Would they be better IF they knew how to take HYPEREMIA to their advantage using my supplements - I have NO DOUBT.
ZERO actually.
Now if only Jay Cutler knew that by taking Milos drinks he would be at an advantage and could then decisively win the next Mr. O!
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for said nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested and assimilated first.
Sure that's true for ALL nutrients there "beast"??? :-X
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Now if only Jay Cutler knew that by taking Milos drinks he would be at an advantage and could then decisively win the next Mr. O!
Indeed...He better pay close attention...He knows where he can find me - and he knows I will tell him the truth...
Just like I told Ronnie that Jay should have take his title back in 2001 - I will tell Jay to his face he got the biggest gift of his life THIS YEAR...so he better NOT repeat that condition as lightning hardly strikes twice...(well in IFBB does several times when I think about it...but I do have a feeling some changes are ABOUT TO HAPPEN).
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I have no problem with Milos' advice because it does seem like a valid point. I have never used his products but taking creatine, glutamine and other aminos during my workout seemed to be helping. I did not continue with it but I think I will again.
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Indeed...He better pay close attention...He knows where he can find me - and he knows I will tell him the truth...
Just like I told Ronnie that Jay should have take his title back in 2001 - I will tell Jay to his face he got the biggest gift of his life THIS YEAR...so he better NOT repeat that condition as lightning hardly strikes twice...(well in IFBB does several times when I think about it...but I do have a feeling some changes are ABOUT TO HAPPEN).
Gotta agree with you there....but I think Jay will be Mr O as long as he shows up, condition doesn't matter and after this year's olympia, it seems the prejudging doesn't matter either :-\
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Textbooks are available EVERYWHERE... ::)
I think you have to go way back to: Kindergarten...sadly. ;)
that is the issue now isn't it, if it's so available why do you have so much trouble producing it?
Well there is the case of empty head...and if you look in the mirror you'll see one - I promise.
3Now, some words could/should be taken literally ...while some should be taken as a "figure of speech" ::)
For ONCE you are correct.
All 3 of your statements are correct:
1 - If your blood is empty you are already dead.
2 - one the primary functions of blood is to provide nutrients to your muscles.
3 - for nutrients to be made available to your blood they must be digested first.
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1/a - If your body is deficient in muscle building nutrients and as such that blood is in the muscle while training is INFERIOR BLOOD to my "KNS fortified BLOOD"
2/a - As 80 % of the total blood ONLY finds it's way to the muscles WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY TRAINING - I found it is the BEST TIME to send my little arsenal of anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones where I want them the most...when they are needed the most and when they could create KNS MAGIC!
3/a - And THAT IS WHY I use exactly what I do... ;D - so blood intended to go to muscles will not digress to GI track...but that is just too much for you to understand - is it?
of course you agree with me as you know i am correct.
the problem is that everything that you say is smoke and mirrors because you are trying to create an illusion.
what exactly do you mean by 'And THAT IS WHY I use exactly what I do... ;D - so blood intended to go to muscles will not digress to GI track' you're right i don't understand that and i would challenge ANYONE to explain it to me, including yourself btw.
don't know how much research you've done milos but i'll let you in on some free stuff, won't cost you a penny, even more blood will be available for your working muscles if you don't put anything but water in your stomach during your workout.
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Indeed...He better pay close attention...He knows where he can find me - and he knows I will tell him the truth...
Just like I told Ronnie that Jay should have take his title back in 2001 - I will tell Jay to his face he got the biggest gift of his life THIS YEAR...so he better NOT repeat that condition as lightning hardly strikes twice...(well in IFBB does several times when I think about it...but I do have a feeling some changes are ABOUT TO HAPPEN).
Can I do him a favour and email him to give him a heads up about your revolutationary drinks, perhaps paste a few of the posts on this thread to give him the insight?
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Textbooks are available EVERYWHERE... ::)
I think you have to go way back to: Kindergarten...sadly. ;)
quote me a reference of any available text book on metabolism, human biology that supports your theory and i'll pay pal you (or anyone else that can) $1000.00
go ahead milos. easiest grand you'll ever make. just go grab one of your daughters school books. we'll wait right here until you get back.
or were you 'figuratively speaking' again? ::)
And for some reason "Ferrari" is more expensive than "Yugo"..."Rollex" more expensive than "Swatch"...my advice more expensive than yours....
...and anyone that pays you to tell them how to lift pink dumbells would be wiser to invest their money in several pre-paid appointments with a psychiatrist.
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MILOS!!! Care to promote your stuff in europe?? Is it so hard to find a reseller or open a provider you can rely on in some shitty eastern european ex-communist country??? Come on, not only the US wants your supps.
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Let me see - HOW MUCH EXACTLY DID I CHARGE FOR MY FREE SEMINAR organized mainly for my getbig fans?
Tipps not allowed...
well if I had known you were blessing the poor and skinny I would have surely gone..
Is it true, traces of snake oil were found in Mother Theresa's home at the time of her death?
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shut the fuck up, we're having a discussion here. pm milos if youre so desperate at getting his products.
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milos actually injected snake oil into his biceps.
it was so effective he never looked back. he was on fire.
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Milos makes a few wild leaps of logic that he just can't see. He assumes that nutrient availability during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. It would be fine if he just said that this is a theory of his and has been found to work on his clients... but he makes it sound as if it were fact. The most important factor when working out is the tension (overload if you will) placed on the muscle, not getting the most "amino acid saturated blood flow" going on. Someone eating tons of aminos and getting a huge pump doing high reps with very light weights is not going to gain as much as someone who employs progressive resistance while eating "normal meals".
I could make the claim that getting in as big a "catabolic" state as possible during the workout (i.e. low insulin levels, high adrenaline etc) triggers the adaptive machinery more efficiently and Milos could not refute it with current science. All we have now is data showing that aminos ingested preworkout causes higher protein synthesis ACUTELY (and these studies done in fasted subjects). What this means in the bigger picture is unknown.
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shut the fuck up, we're having a discussion here. pm milos if youre so desperate at getting his products.
Thanks, good idea.
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quote me a reference of any available text book on metabolism, human biology that supports your theory and i'll pay pal you (or anyone else that can) $1000.00
go ahead milos. easiest grand you'll ever make. just go grab one of your daughters school books. we'll wait right here until you get back.
or were you 'figuratively speaking' again? ::)
...and anyone that pays you to tell them how to lift pink dumbells would be wiser to invest their money in several pre-paid appointments with a psychiatrist.
Hmmm...here's an interesting study for The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/20/1/24?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=amino+acid+&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT)
Can I have my $1,000 please?
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Hmmm...here's an interesting study for The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/20/1/24?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=amino+acid+&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT)
Can I have my $1,000 please?
shit, you beat me to it.
I want 1000 $ too!!
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Hmmm...here's an interesting study for The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/20/1/24?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=amino+acid+&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT)
Can I have my $1,000 please?
Anyone know which absorbs faster, free form aminos or protein hydrolysates?
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Let me see - HOW MUCH EXACTLY DID I CHARGE FOR MY FREE SEMINAR INFOMERCIAL organized mainly for my getbig fans?
Tipps not allowed...
Fixed. ;D
(Although I still think you should Youtube it..... Snake OilTM sales would be through the roof after that!)
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Fixed. ;D
(Although I still think you should Youtube it..... Snake OilTM sales would be through the roof after that!)
i bet you're european and you\re just angry that Milos stuff is not available in europe.
P.S., have i already mentioned that Milos supplements are nott available in europe?? >:( >:( >:( >:(
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milos actually injected snake oil into his biceps.
it was so effective he never looked back. he was on fire.
Hmmmmm..... injectable Snake OilTM... That could be Milos' next product in the line-up. Synthol would go out of business! ;D
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P.S., have i already mentioned that Milos supplements are nott available in europe?? >:( >:( >:( >:(
Why not??
Do all those lifters in gyms throughout Europe know they are wasting their time lifting without taking Snake OilTM?
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Why not??
Do all those lifters in gyms throughout Europe know they are wasting their time lifting without taking Snake OilTM?
Yeah, they do, but you have to order it from the states. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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...and anyone that pays you to tell them how to lift pink dumbells would be wiser to invest their money in several pre-paid appointments with a psychiatrist.
Japanese bodybuilder comes to me after 2 years of not making top 15 at the Ironman and within a year he is first Japanese bodybuilder competing at the Olympia...
Gustavo was 24th out of 25 competitors in 2002 Mr Olympia and 2003 couldn't crack top 15 in smaller shows - about ready to quit when he decided to try my help and started with spectacular showing at the Ironman 2004 3 months later...following with unthinkable TOP 3 FINISH 2 years in a row at the O...victory at the 2005 Ironman...etc
Dennis Wolf not really noticed (somehow?) in 2006 in his 5 competitions (including 2006 Olympia) managed to win Keystone,, make top 3 (should have won - New York) and made top 5 (should have won - Olympia)...
Johnnie Jackson - JUST STARTED and besides winning Atlantic City - watch him grow into TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDER by the next year...
...anyway... ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Milos, how can i get your stuff in europe??
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Hahahah "BEAST" isn't around anymore. :D
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Mother Milos's Immaculate Consumption Recipe....drink it and you will be blessed and on your way to becoming pro bodybuilder.
The Father = Amino Preload
The Son = Amino XXpload
The Holy Spirit = Amino Reload HT
mix with holy snake oil...enjoy
mix with any Wieder products and you will go straight to Hell.
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Milos should give everyone on getbig a lifetime supply of his drinks for free, and pay all shipping costs. ;)
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Milos should give everyone on getbig a lifetime supply of his drinks for free, and pay all shipping costs. ;)
Well, he could also provide them from europe, then he wouldn\t need to ship it here. >:( >:( >:(
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as i said, provide some evidence to dispute the fact.
that is...if you are capable - of course.
This in one BIG problem I have, Milos says he does all of these studies involving scientists, Dr's, etc but I cannot seem to find one published study on his findings, he wants to debate to convince me (of what I have no idea, insulin and how safe it supposedly is I presume) yet, like most BBer's who believe in what they say, he will only present the "positive" side on what he thinks to be correct. Still looking for some published studies of his.
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Japanese bodybuilder comes to me after 2 years of not making top 15 at the Ironman and within a year he is first Japanese bodybuilder competing at the Olympia...
Gustavo was 24th out of 25 competitors in 2002 Mr Olympia and 2003 couldn't crack top 15 in smaller shows - about ready to quit when he decided to try my help and started with spectacular showing at the Ironman 2004 3 months later...following with unthinkable TOP 3 FINISH 2 years in a row at the O...victory at the 2005 Ironman...etc
Dennis Wolf not really noticed (somehow?) in 2006 in his 5 competitions (including 2006 Olympia) managed to win Keystone,, make top 3 (should have won - New York) and made top 5 (should have won - Olympia)...
Johnnie Jackson - JUST STARTED and besides winning Atlantic City - watch him grow into TOP OLYMPIA CONTENDER by the next year...
...anyway... ;D ;D ;D
No one is questioning your success training pros, you've obviously done very well, but something tells me that the Snake OilTM is not the "supplement" that is making the difference.
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This in one BIG problem I have, Milos says he does all of these studies involving scientists, Dr's, etc but I cannot seem to find one published study on his findings, he wants to debate to convince me (of what I have no idea, insulin and how safe it supposedly is I presume) yet, like most BBer's who believe in what they say, he will only present the "positive" side on what he thinks to be correct. Still looking for some published studies of his.
"Beast" ( ::) ) was claiming that it takes HOURS for even amino acids to be digested. ::)
There are numerous studies that prove this is false.
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"Beast" ( ::) ) was claiming that it takes HOURS for even amino acids to be digested. ::)
There are numerous studies that prove this is false.
Haaha, monster knowledge.
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Fixed. ;D
(Although I still think you should Youtube it..... Snake OilTM sales would be through the roof after that!)
Free infomercial WITH OPEN QUESTIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING....
Think of first seminar WHY I ORGANIZED IT?
Someone was offended that I didn't exactly answer his question about specific exercises to stimulate long head of the triceps...so after asking did you get my DVD which SPECIALIZES exactly that - HOW TO STIMULATE PARTICULAR PARTS OF ANY MUSCLE - he answered - NO, I don't have your DVD...even though I collect training DVD's...I want to hear from you...I don't want to buy your DVD?!
So I told him that I will give him double money back guarantee (which is my personal guarantee where I would give him $80 back if he finds that my 3 DVD set "Secrets of the Pros" is not worth $40...which is the price).
He was still offended and that's how we ended up talking about my FEES that I am charging...
So, to offer all my getbig fans (there are so many of you who just LOVE ME...I know ;)) I offered FREE SEMINAR IN MY GYM - with free stuff to be handed out...With in impromptu posedown between Melvin and Armin Scholz, posing seminar with Melvin, Giant sets for shoulders and arms - with Dennis James demonstrating and participating...Dennis Wolf, Flex Lewis, Zhanna Rotar and my wife present - both in contest shape...and me insisting that EVERY QUESTION WILL BE ANSWERED...
Oh, I forgot - Ron Avidan with his camcorder and Garraeth with his grapefruit
So...now as I am trying to volunteer my time again...it is "infomercial" and not something that I want to give back to bodybuilding community?
Oh well...yes I am organizing infomercial and looking for people who will say "Oh my God...I used so and so and it is like - a miracle! :o :o" Goooooosh - it is absolutely A-mazing! F' suuure" ;D
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Milos, does Dennis Wolf use your products or Nutrex products??
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Milos, does Dennis Wolf use your products or Nutrex products??
Hmmm...awkward. :-\
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This in one BIG problem I have, Milos says he does all of these studies involving scientists, Dr's, etc but I cannot seem to find one published study on his findings, he wants to debate to convince me (of what I have no idea, insulin and how safe it supposedly is I presume) yet, like most BBer's who believe in what they say, he will only present the "positive" side on what he thinks to be correct. Still looking for some published studies of his.
Big problem you have?
"Milos says" ::)... he does read studies and studies I considered I will certainly post...But my knowledge comes from TEXTBOOKS as it should...not abstracts of some published "cockamamie" studies you are reading Coach.
What I tried politely to tell you in our phone conversation is that IF you claim your knowledge is up to par with mine (as you were posting here on board and I called you on it) - think twice...before you come here to Koloseum to challenge me.
And I said that NOT because I am so great...but because it is apparent to me (and many others) that your knowledge is - laughable to say the least...You have none - bottom line (as offensive as it sounds - it is the truth...and that truth I was willing to expose...and still am IF YOU WISH...and not for any other reason - but because you are asking for it).
You are sarcastically stating that you are still looking for my studies...Keep looking...
I told you - I didn't publish any...It is NOT my priority to do it...(at least it wasn't).
Now, my business partner, my wife, my sister (surgeon), my mother (retired medical practitioner), my WIFE and DAUGHTER want me to do a study proving my claims...and I think I will...and when I do I will post the reference so you don't have to search for it...
What I offered you is to come to Koloseum so I could give you 25+ years of my experience and findings I had working with hundreds of people....some top IFBB pros and some world class athletes in other sports...
Explaining the CONCEPT behind my supplements make a lot of sense to many experts I talked to...they encouraged me to continue my research...(Ajinomoto supplied me with all the aminos I asked for - so I could mix and match whatever I want and experiment with...) and I am delighted with my findings...
Those findings I am trying to share with others and hear nothing but complains only when I come here on getbig...for some reason?
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Big problem you have?
"Milos says" ::)... he does read studies and studies I considered I will certainly post...But my knowledge comes from TEXTBOOKS as it should...not abstracts of some published "cockamamie" studies you are reading Coach.
What I tried politely to tell you in our phone conversation is that IF you claim your knowledge is up to par with mine (as you were posting here on board and I called you on it) - think twice...before you come here to Koloseum to challenge me.
And I said that NOT because I am so great...but because it is apparent to me (and many others) that your knowledge is - laughable to say the least...You have none - bottom line (as offensive as it sounds - it is the truth...and that truth I was willing to expose...and still am IF YOU WISH...and not for any other reason - but because you are asking for it).
You are sarcastically stating that you are still looking for my studies...Keep looking...
I told you - I didn't publish any...It is NOT my priority to do it...(at least it wasn't).
Now, my business partner, my wife, my sister (surgeon), my mother (retired medical practitioner), my WIFE and DAUGHTER want me to do a study proving my claims...and I think I will...and when I do I will post the reference so you don't have to search for it...
What I offered you is to come to Koloseum so I could give you 25+ years of my experience and findings I had working with hundreds of people....some top IFBB pros and some world class athletes in other sports...
Explaining the CONCEPT behind my supplements make a lot of sense to many experts I talked to...they encouraged me to continue my research...(Ajinomoto supplied me with all the aminos I asked for - so I could mix and match whatever I want and experiment with...) and I am delighted with my findings...
Those findings I am trying to share with others and hear nothing but complains only when I come here on getbig...for some reason?
Looks like Milos had too much XXXPlode today.
Seriously though, you should do an online sale with a discount for getbiggers. I bet a lot of haters might make a secret order or two. ;)
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Milos , some tuff questions im gonna ask with all due respect , just understand
Your right about all the pros that came to you and went sky high therafter...but..
1) Why cant we get dennis james to reveal his true potential on a mr O stage ? and why is his back d-bi weak.You said u called him a future MR O , and the only other person you sid that about was Ronnie.SO can dennnis still get there , james i meaN.Is he a mystery to solve stilll ?
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Milos makes a few wild leaps of logic that he just can't see. He assumes that nutrient availability during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. It would be fine if he just said that this is a theory of his and has been found to work on his clients... but he makes it sound as if it were fact. The most important factor when working out is the tension (overload if you will) placed on the muscle, not getting the most "amino acid saturated blood flow" going on. Someone eating tons of aminos and getting a huge pump doing high reps with very light weights is not going to gain as much as someone who employs progressive resistance while eating "normal meals".
I could make the claim that getting in as big a "catabolic" state as possible during the workout (i.e. low insulin levels, high adrenaline etc) triggers the adaptive machinery more efficiently and Milos could not refute it with current science. All we have now is data showing that aminos ingested preworkout causes higher protein synthesis ACUTELY (and these studies done in fasted subjects). What this means in the bigger picture is unknown.
And you can take numerous pharmacological books or medicament's (try OXANDRIN for example ;)) and still read bold statement from our government stating that ANABOLIC STEROIDS DO NOT IMPROVE SPORTS PERFORMANCE...and it is usually written in capital letters...
It would be fine if I just said that this is a theory of mine and I have been found to work on my clients... but I make it sound as if it were fact?
It is a theory of mine and I have found that works wonders on me and EACH AND EVERY CLIENT I experimented with...and to me - it is a fact...
While I was in Nottingham University professor Greenhaf told me that it is not proven that increased protein intake over the RDA would mean muscle growth to trained individual...and I am also sure many other things known to everyone to be CERTAIN are still not proven in the "court of law"...
Now...as far as "tension" and heavy weights, load required to trigger fast twitch muscle fiber recruitment...etc...etc - that you are mentioning as a limiting factor in muscle hypertrophy - HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN NUMEROUS ATHLETES (many that I train) increasing their lean body mass considerably by switching form heavy-duty, fast twich muscle fiber specific training to high repetition protocols used in my giant sets?
And why even numerous champions in IFBB professional circuit claim that high repetition protocols (over 15 repetitions per set) created considerably faster muscle growth (hypertrophy) than scientifically proven (all out 6-10) low rep sets?
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Now...as far as "tension" and heavy weights, load required to trigger fast twitch muscle fiber recruitment...etc...etc - that you are mentioning as a limiting factor in muscle hypertrophy - HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN NUMEROUS ATHLETES (many that I train) increasing their lean body mass considerably by switching form heavy-duty, fast twich muscle fiber specific training to high repetition protocols used in my giant sets?
And why even numerous champions in IFBB professional circuit claim that high repetition protocols (over 15 repetitions per set) created considerably faster muscle growth (hypertrophy) than scientifically proven (all out 6-10) low rep sets?
It's called sarcoplasmic hypertrohy. I'm sure you're familiar with this term. Yes, it will work to a degree causing cosmetic effects. And I'm sure you still do some lower rep work as well, as you've said elsewhere. This will cause actual contractile muscle tissue increases. Your type of extremely depleting training will make the loading of water in the muscle (through insulin, glycogen) all the more effective.
Like you very well know, an athlete can gain a huge amount of LBM quickly through the use of different drugs. Take a currently clean athlete and start him up on Anadrol, Test, Insulin, hGH etc, and he can put on a pound of LBM per day for several weeks in the best case scenario. This is water mostly but looks like muscle tissue.
So yes, I agree that your "principles" WILL work just great, but maybe not for the exact reasons you state.
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I have to give it to Milos. He's a standup guy taking punches on this board like a champ. While the whole "snake oil" bit is funny I don't think i've read anyone state that his new supps don't make sense. On the contrary they seem like common sense. I understand for some it's simply about the $$ on top of our normal expenses, grocery bills, gym fees, etc. I've been meaning to place my order just had a little fire disruption here in San Diego ;)
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no of people reporting great success with milos supplements on getbig: 0
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
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no of people reporting great success with milos supplements on getbig: 0
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
stop bitching :-*
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no of people reporting great success with milos supplements on getbig: 0
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
Or maybe?
No of people reporting no success with milos supps on getbig: 0
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
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So my brother got me 2 out of 3 Milos drinks, namely Amino Preload HA and Amino XXpload AC, meaning that I'm taking Amino Preload prior to training and Amino XXpload during the training. He got me 2 jars this monday, and I've been using it for 3 days now. All i can say is waaaahooaaooow :o I got sick pumps, sometimes have to finish my set halfway because of the incredible pump you get from this shit!!
Have used NO Xplode, Horse Power and all that crap in the past, but it cant compare to this at all. The energy is also endless during the whole workout when taking Milos drinks. Could only complain about the taste, but i really dont care as long as it continues to DELIVER baby!!!!
translation=the placebo effect pushed your bench from 135 to 145.
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translation=the placebo effect pushed your bench from 135 to 145.
Is there a problem that I'm not a 260 lbs beast, 5% BF like you, squad?
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Is there a problem that I'm not a 260 lbs beast, 5% BF like you, squad?
never claimed to be "big guy" but at least i have pictures posted, unlike you sissy. :D
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Or maybe?
No of people reporting no success with milos supps on getbig: 0
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
you dont think its odd that the most talked about supplement on getbig who has 18,000 members you cannot find ONE who actually used it and can tell us how amazing it is, besides you?
isnt that a problem?
wouldnt it be better if there were dozens of people here that can back you up and say "milos is right, check out this before and after photo of me" and "that stuff really works" ?
rather than
"why dont you try it yourself"
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Looks like Milos had too much XXXPlode today.
Seriously though, you should do an online sale with a discount for getbiggers. I bet a lot of haters might make a secret order or two. ;)
I just met with my business partner and we are going to offer special discount for getbig members (even though you guys deserve this as much as Hitler deserve award for humanity...)
Whoever joins the Legion of Warriors : http://koloseum.com/store/m23basket/NewsletterReg.asp on www.koloseum.com within the next 24 hours will receive a promo code for 50% off via E-mail good for your purchase of our complete 3-Stage Hyper-Anabolic System of Amino Preload, Amino XXPLoad and Amino Reload.
Hic Rhodus, Hic Koloseum, Hic Salta
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ok 50% off is a good deal i hope some people do try it out, they buy so many supplements from other companies might as well try that out. and report about it on here 8)
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Thanks Milos, I'm signing up!
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never claimed to be "big guy" but at least i have pictures posted, unlike you sissy. :D
Are you happy now fatboy? ::)
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Are you happy now fatboy? ::)
squad getting owned again. looks good, just imagine how you'll look at the end of your milos cycle :o
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squad getting owned again. looks good, just imagine how you'll look at the end of your milos cycle :o
Yes, this was before the Milos drinks, i will post updates pics in couple of weeks, and will be taking NOTHING else but Milos drinks ;)
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Are you happy now fatboy? ::)
brutal 162 pound "physique". :o
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Yes, this was before the Milos drinks, i will post updates pics in couple of weeks, and will be taking NOTHING else but Milos drinks ;)
you can be the official ginnie pig
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brutal 162 pound "physique". :o
Is there something you want to share with us, squad?. I bet if you went down to 10-12% BF, you would weigh 150lbs tops, but yeah you like keeping it real and "bulky" eh squad?
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Is there something you want to share with us, squad?. I bet if you went down to 10-12% BF, you would weigh 150lbs tops, but yeah you like keeping it real and "bulky" eh squad?
i wouldn't be anywhere near 150, i'd be lucky to be 114.
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i wouldn't be anywhere near 150, i'd be lucky to be 114.
Don´t be so hard on yourself
(http://melique.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/kitty-hug.jpg)
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I bet squatfarter is kind of guy that goes to a $6.99 bufet every saturday, and then measures his massive 15 inch 25BF GUNS when he gets home. YEAH BABY
no, your mom measueres them for me after i dump a load i her mouth. :D
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no, your mom measueres them for me after i dump a load i her mouth. :D
Great comeback fatty ;D your an owning machine!!!
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Milos, have you got any outside agencies to test your product to ensure that what's on the label (and on the ingredient list) is actually IN the product?
I'm serious, lately I've been getting products tested using the facilities I have available to me and I've been disappointed with the contents of even "normal" protein powders.
Anything to help out the skeptics like me?
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Great comeback fatty ;D your an owning machine!!!
thanks skinny, i try.
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Milos, have you got any outside agencies to test your product to ensure that what's on the label (and on the ingredient list) is actually IN the product?
I'm serious, lately I've been getting products tested using the facilities I have available to me and I've been disappointed with the contents of even "normal" protein powders.
Anything to help out the skeptics like me?
After just 1 serving you'll be a believer, too ;)
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After just 1 serving you'll be a believer, too ;)
I'm sure it's good stuff, I just want scientific results proving that everything that should be in there is in there...and nothing that shouldn't. Third party empirical testing.
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Milos, have you got any outside agencies to test your product to ensure that what's on the label (and on the ingredient list) is actually IN the product?
I'm serious, lately I've been getting products tested using the facilities I have available to me and I've been disappointed with the contents of even "normal" protein powders.
Anything to help out the skeptics like me?
Can you share with us what are the products you've been disappointed with?
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Big problem you have?
"Milos says" ::)... he does read studies and studies I considered I will certainly post...But my knowledge comes from TEXTBOOKS as it should...not abstracts of some published "cockamamie" studies you are reading Coach.
What I tried politely to tell you in our phone conversation is that IF you claim your knowledge is up to par with mine (as you were posting here on board and I called you on it) - think twice...before you come here to Koloseum to challenge me.
And I said that NOT because I am so great...but because it is apparent to me (and many others) that your knowledge is - laughable to say the least...You have none - bottom line (as offensive as it sounds - it is the truth...and that truth I was willing to expose...and still am IF YOU WISH...and not for any other reason - but because you are asking for it).
You are sarcastically stating that you are still looking for my studies...Keep looking...
I told you - I didn't publish any...It is NOT my priority to do it...(at least it wasn't).
Now, my business partner, my wife, my sister (surgeon), my mother (retired medical practitioner), my WIFE and DAUGHTER want me to do a study proving my claims...and I think I will...and when I do I will post the reference so you don't have to search for it...
What I offered you is to come to Koloseum so I could give you 25+ years of my experience and findings I had working with hundreds of people....some top IFBB pros and some world class athletes in other sports...
Explaining the CONCEPT behind my supplements make a lot of sense to many experts I talked to...they encouraged me to continue my research...(Ajinomoto supplied me with all the aminos I asked for - so I could mix and match whatever I want and experiment with...) and I am delighted with my findings...
Those findings I am trying to share with others and hear nothing but complains only when I come here on getbig...for some reason?
So basically you're telling me that your studies are more comprehensive than case proven published clinical studies?
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how long does 1 can last of each, if its 30 thats $200 per month. if its 15 thats $400 per month.......... :o
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So basically you're telling me that your studies are more comprehensive than case proven published clinical studies?
Milos is a VERY smart, VERY knowledgeable guy on nutrition and training but for him to say that people are wasting their time without his drink is ridiculous.
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Milos is a VERY smart, VERY knowledgeable guy on nutrition and training but for him to say that people are wasting their time without his drink is ridiculous.
Are you saying that your "bulky" food gives the same effect, squady?
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Can you share with us what are the products you've been disappointed with?
I'd rather not, if only because some of the stuff isn't even made anymore (big surprise). I stick to basically one brand lately and even then, I sometimes wonder. Remember, the supplement industry has NO regulation. That means there's NO guarantee that what's on the label is IN the product.
Some products some time ago used third party research to test their products, but it seems the trend is reversed.
I'm pretty much off ALL supps lately. I just buy the best quality food I can afford.
But I'm always interested in products that have proper scientific tests behind them, by legitimate labs such as universities.
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Are you saying that your "bulky" food gives the same effect, squady?
maybe you should try eating more so your arms would be bigger than the current 13 and a half inches they are.
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maybe you should try eating more so your arms would be bigger than the current 13 and a half inches they are.
Yes, i really would like to have 15 inch guns, just like you squady. Is there any food that will gain me an extra 2 inch on my left and 1.5 inch on my right bicep? Thanks
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Yes, i really would like to have 15 inch guns, just like you squady. Is there any food that will gain me an extra 2 inch on my left and 1.5 inch on my right bicep? Thanks
hahahahhaa, of course they are.
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hahahahhaa, of course they are.
MONSTER 14 inch calves!!! Oh brother
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Milos is a VERY smart, VERY knowledgeable guy on nutrition and training but for him to say that people are wasting their time without his drink is ridiculous.
I agree. This is nothing but a scam unless he has some enhanced supplements that are not listed. How can a person loose everything without his drink in a day as was posted earlier.
Hide just returned from New York and he is OFF any supplements (if you know what I mean) since the Olympia - but he is religiously taking my drinks and looks like he can compete on days notice...However, he told me Yesterday - the day he run out of KNS drinks he started loosing his strength, fullness, hardness, vascularity...etc.
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MONSTER 14 inch calves!!! Oh brother
hahahaha, they're a little bigger than that but not a whole lot, they're a weakness though i admit it. :D
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hahahaha, they're a little bigger than that but not a whole lot, they're a weakness though i admit it. :D
Don´t be so hard on yourself :)
(http://digilander.libero.it/Daisychain/gatti/images/hug_a_cat.jpg)
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Milos is a VERY smart, VERY knowledgeable guy on nutrition and training but for him to say that people are wasting their time without his drink is ridiculous.
I feel like (part) of what he's saying is that nutrient intake during a workout is much more effective and important than the current dogma. He's welcome to disagree if thats not what he ment.
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I feel like (part) of what he's saying is that nutrient intake during a workout is much more effective and important than the current dogma. He's welcome to disagree if thats not what he ment.
what he says makes sense IN THEORY but where he goes wrong is in thinking that there are no available nutrients in your blood stream from prior meals and supplement feedings which is ridiculous, if you've eaten prior meals before your workout there are plenty of amino, protein and carbs in your bloodstream.
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what he says makes sense IN THEORY but where he goes wrong is in thinking that there are no available nutrients in your blood stream from prior meals and supplement feedings which is ridiculous, if you've eaten prior meals before your workout there are plenty of amino, protein and carbs in your bloodstream.
Good point.
Hahahah, In any case I may not be able to resist ordering them at 50% off.
We'll see how long my willpower holds out. ;D
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milos , you deliver to South Africa ?
How much ?
You neeed to spread the word a bit more , we`d love to try your products
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Listen, folks....what he's "saying" means nothing, just like what ANY supp company advertises on their labels means NOTHING unless they're backed up by independent third party laboratories. I'm not knocking Milos, but you gotta be careful who you believe. I don't trust the supplement industry to be honest when it comes to the BILLIONS that this industry makes....why do you think there's so many fly by night products available?
It's interesting if you do the research.
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Good point.
Hahahah, In any case I may not be able to resist ordering them at 50% off.
We'll see how long my willpower holds out. ;D
they'd be worth a try if you've got the extra cash, i'm not against using his supplements just against him saying that you're totally wasting your time without them.
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Listen, folks....what he's "saying" means nothing, just like what ANY supp company advertises on their labels means NOTHING unless they're backed up by independent third party laboratories. I'm not knocking Milos, but you gotta be careful who you believe. I don't trust the supplement industry to be honest when it comes to the BILLIONS that this industry makes....why do you think there's so many fly by night products available?
It's interesting if you do the research.
Why don't you just shut the hell up and try it ? Wouldn't that be a good test to prove it to yourself ? You don't need third party laboratories for that do you ?
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Why don't you just shut the hell up and try it ? Wouldn't that be a good test to prove it to yourself ? You dint need third party laboratories for that do you ?
Well to be honest, AZ, 300 bucks isn't exactly chump change for some fucking amino acids.
I regularly drop 50-80 bucks on a supplement or protein without hesitation to give it a whirl, but I could go out and buy 20 shots of winny for that money.
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Well to be honest, AZ, 300 bucks isn't exactly chump change for some fucking amino acids.
I regularly drop 50-80 bucks on a supplement or protein without hesitation to give it a whirl, but I could go out and buy 20 shots of winny for that money.
shit i could get 4 bottles of Test 400 for 300 bucks.
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Milos, have you got any outside agencies to test your product to ensure that what's on the label (and on the ingredient list) is actually IN the product?
I'm serious, lately I've been getting products tested using the facilities I have available to me and I've been disappointed with the contents of even "normal" protein powders.
Anything to help out the skeptics like me?
Can you tell us which ones and the results ?
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Well to be honest, AZ, 300 bucks isn't exactly chump change for some fucking amino acids.
I regularly drop 50-80 bucks on a supplement or protein without hesitation to give it a whirl, but I could go out and buy 20 shots of winny for that money.
He just posted he is giving Get Big members 50% off if you sign up at his site in the next 24 hours. Its a lot more than just amino's. Ill agree its a lot of money but I never thought of bodybuilding as inexpensive anyway. I'm just a National level amateur and I spend thousands a year on it.
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Milos, have you got any outside agencies to test your product to ensure that what's on the label (and on the ingredient list) is actually IN the product?
I'm serious, lately I've been getting products tested using the facilities I have available to me and I've been disappointed with the contents of even "normal" protein powders.
Anything to help out the skeptics like me?
No one here is questioning Milos' honesty on label claims... I'm sure what he has on the label is what's in the product... what we are questioning is the value of amino acids to results relative to price.
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no of people reporting great success with milos supplements on getbig: 0 1
no of people registered on getbig: 18,000+
Are you forgetting about Garraeth?
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Are you forgetting about Garraeth?
Yeah! What am I? Chopped liver?
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So basically you're telling me that your studies are more comprehensive than case proven published clinical studies?
I am telling you that my "studies" (read LIFE Bozo) is something I practice for over 20 years...
I used this method from the very beginning of my career as I simply didn't know better...Made sense to me from th every beginning as in Yugoslavia there was nobody to tell me that I was wrong.
I didn't have all the protein that I wanted...my family could not afford it...but ONE THING I HAD was "EAK - Esencijalne Amino Kiseline" from Pharmaceutical company Hemofarm - Vrsac...
As I managed to forge signature of my father (doctor) on his stolen Rx notebook - I had almost unlimited supply of these to me priceless essential amino acids at the time...
So I would save them for before-during and after the workout driving them with either orange juice or other sugary drinks...to me it always made sense to use simultaneously EAA, Glucose and spike the insulin...
It worked wonders in the beginning of my career when I was often accused "juicing" when I didn't know what juice is....and it works now - BUT MUCH BETTER as I managed to enhance my formula...
But, point is - DO YOU KNOW HOW NUMEROUS STUDIES ARE BEING DONE ANYWAY?
If you do (which I doubt) how can you compare them with someone's lifetime work...MINE to be exact...
And JUST BECAUSE I didn't do University Study so far you are suggesting that my theory and principles are - worthless?
So to answer your question MY studies ARE more comprehensive than MANY case proven published clinical studies BY FAR!
And time will tell. ;)
In the mean time - did you have your rice cake yet?
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Milos is a VERY smart, VERY knowledgeable guy on nutrition and training but for him to say that people are wasting their time without his drink is ridiculous.
AGAIN - you don't see my point.
I claim with 100% certainty that MOST ANABOLIC TIME indeed is DURING THE WORKOUT - IF and only IF you know how to take advantage of that extreme hyperemia that stays at targeted muscle for duration of the workout...
So IF at that time you don't have what you should in your bloodstream - YES YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME...(as if you are walking you are wasting time - as running will get you there faster...if you are driving long distance you are wasting time as flight will get you there hell of a much faster...and if you trying to build muscle MY METHOD WILL BRING YOU RESULTS much faster than if you don't - providing that everything else is the same).
AGAIN: Without changing diet and way of training - I am 100% certain that using my method and my supplements WILL make considerable improvements in hypertrophy in each and every subject bold (smart) enough to try it!
And right now (next 24 hours...or so) I did even make it available for next to nothing...JUST BECAUSE I DO WANT AS MANY PEOPLE TO TRY IT.
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As I managed to forge signature of my father (doctor) on his stolen Rx notebook - I had almost unlimited supply of these to me priceless essential amino acids at the time...
It worked wonders in the beginning of my career when I was often accused "juicing" when I didn't know what juice is....
Let me get this straight.... you had free access to a Rx pad, and you claim "not to know what juice was"? ::) ::)
Seriously.... ::)
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what he says makes sense IN THEORY but where he goes wrong is in thinking that there are no available nutrients in your blood stream from prior meals and supplement feedings which is ridiculous, if you've eaten prior meals before your workout there are plenty of amino, protein and carbs in your bloodstream.
I am thinking that there are no available nutrients in the blood stream from prior meals?
That's the good one Squad ;).
Why would I ever think that?
But can you precisely tell me what kind of nutrients will be there at the time you start training?
Or would you consider INSURING yourself that IN ADDITION to whatever is already there you supply your muscles with "little something extra"...Something that could be CALCULATED and TIMED with exact purpose in mind...?
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Let me get this straight.... you had free access to a Rx pad, and you claim "not to know what juice was"? ::) ::)
Seriously.... ::)
Seriously - I say exactly that.
I was 18 years old at the time... ;) and I thought steroids kill...plus I was told that Arnold never took them and believed it...
I even got in fight once as some asshole claimed that Arnold took dbol and test and I was offended.
Not "my ARNOLD"...I thought...
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milos , you deliver to South Africa ?
How much ?
You neeed to spread the word a bit more , we`d love to try your products
I was in Johannesburg couple of months ago...and I would come anytime.
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Milos, how do your supplements compare to Endurox 4 or Cytomax in terms of postworkout and workout drinks, respectively?
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He just posted he is giving Get Big members 50% off if you sign up at his site in the next 24 hours. Its a lot more than just amino's. Ill agree its a lot of money but I never thought of bodybuilding as inexpensive anyway. I'm just a National level amateur and I spend thousands a year on it.
I had many IFBB pros already using it...and some even ordered online...
If this 50% offer is not good enough - I really have nothing more to say...
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No one here is questioning Milos' honesty on label claims... I'm sure what he has on the label is what's in the product... what we are questioning is the value of amino acids to results relative to price.
I will guarantee you this: if any one of you try to obtain AJINOPURE aminos I have in my product - your coast will be at least double... ;)
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Milos, do you owe Nassar some money?
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I had many IFBB pros already using it...and some even ordered online...
If this 50% offer is not good enough - I really have nothing more to say...
What about current members of your site..... :'( :'(
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Hey Milos I signed up a few hours ago, but never recieved the 50% code via email?
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Hey Milos I signed up a few hours ago, but never recieved the 50% code via email?
You will...
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What about current members of your site..... :'( :'(
OFF COURSE
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dudes if yaw`ll dont get by now that milos is soo passionate about BB`g , that hes given us half off his selling price of he`s products (and its pretty obvious this aint 4 sales , but rather to make us realise what he`s been saying all along is true)
The guys willing to go to as far as it takes for this sport he loves so much.i commend you bro
Im interested in your products , and id buy right now , shipping thpugh is going to be the killer :'( sssnap !
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Milos, I seem to remember you bitching about all these other people oweing you money yet when you owe you forget????
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I had many IFBB pros already using it...and some even ordered online...
If this 50% offer is not good enough - I really have nothing more to say...
Milos, your site showing
"Amino Acids
There are no available products under this category.
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also what is the procedure to get 50% off..how do we indicate on our order?
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but in all honesty since a natty can only gain about 1lb of muscle per month I doubt that you will see anything radical...
probably the same results are vitargo/EAA/creatine/whey
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Milos, your site showing
"Amino Acids
There are no available products under this category.
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also what is the procedure to get 50% off..how do we indicate on our order?
I think you go to koloseum.com
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Milos, I seem to remember you bitching about all these other people oweing you money yet when you owe you forget????
Who do I owe money supposedly? ::)
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hey milos will you do a "secrets of the pros" video that covers drug usage? PLEEEEEASE!!!!
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Who do I owe money supposedly? ::)
Paul Chua! ;D ;D
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And time will tell. ;)
In the mean time - did you have your rice cake yet?
My "rice cake"? No, I haven't, but funny you posted a diet on here that VERY, VERY close to the one I'm on, all the way down to the omega eggs, but here's the thing Milos, I have not and will not use any insulin. As I was going through my posing routein and mandatories, something occured to me and made me more glad I never fell into the insulin hype. In my relaxed mandatories I will say all though I am hard and about 2-3 weeks ahead of schedule, I did not have the hardness as someone on insulin, but it occured to me that guys on insulin looked the same while standing relaxed as opposed to being flexed, here's what I am getting at, during the Olympia commentary by Charles Glass he made certain comments on how certain competitors muscle "moved" while others did not.
My point, I seriously think that I or anyone who gets conditioned enough has the advantage over someone who is on insulin, when I hit my poses, things happend, I went from looking relaxed to looked reletivly (being that I'm 5 weeks out) ripped, something you don't see anymore, I'm not boasting by anymeans, I'm just telling you the difference in what I see, again, I've always maintained that it's MUCH easier to get big than it is to get ripped. It's been said by people who were fortunate enough to see Frank Zane at an Olympia say "when he walked on stage you can see every fiber in his muscles move and when he posed, his muscles jumped out".........that Milos, is true ripped conditioning and oh, I do realize that people today are much bigger because of the insulin, but make no mistake, I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
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I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
All drugs! ;D
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All drugs! ;D
Way, way less than you might think.
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Just the basics
500mg test
400mg Deca
50 mg winny week
either clen or ECA on top...
But no Insulin,
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Just the basics
500mg test
400mg Deca
50 mg winny week
either clen or ECA on top...
But no Insulin,
Ha, less than that!!
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I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
I thought you were taller. You don't seem to have the squaty look so common among shorter guys.
How much did you weigh in this pic?
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now insulin is responsible for "muscles not flexing" hahahaha oh boy.
next thing i hear is the war in iraq was because of insulin.
You're too young to understand.........get off this thread "boy" before you get hurt!!
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I thought you were taller. You don't seem to have the squaty look so common among shorter guys.
How much did you weigh in this pic?
About 162 if I remember correctly.
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honestly bro dont you think its getting old? you parading around like you know something? just come clean people who actually know whats right and wrong arent being fooled. you are DELUSIONAL.
Just stop being a pussy and go meet with Milos already. You already know whats going to happen in your show.. Im guessing middle or light weight 2nd or 3rd place tops... just go get Milos help.
After 30+ years I know alot, I was doing and studying this shit before you were even a thought in your daddys pants......I just love how these 22 year know-it-alls think they know it all....LOL!!
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and jack lalanne with u. does that mean he knows what he is talking about?
its come to the point where you are just looking like a LIAR.
This you? Being fat doesn't make you better or more advanced in your training.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/muverse.jpg)
Here's me over 20 years ago and about a year or two younger than you........see the difference junour?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jv_01-05-06c.jpg)
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and jack lalanne with u. does that mean he knows what he is talking about?
Actually stupid, yes it does, that's why he's better shape than you at 94 than you are at 22 and makes MILLIONS promoting fitness and wellness.........hope this helps dummy!!
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you know what i see? i see someone who was in great shape 20 years ago at 5ft 6 who probably put ona whole 30lbs of muscle since they have been working out in the PAST 20 YEARS.
what great progress ::)
I see an old delusional man that doesnt know shit about what he is talking about as ANY ONE who ACTUALLY KNOWS REAL INFORMATION would scratch their head and your fictional scientific theories.
but thats all going to come out when you are SMALL AND FLAT for your show ay coachypoo?
:-*
oh no I am fat ::) is that all you got? ive put on MORE MUSCLE TISSUE THAN YOU HAVE IN YOUR WHOLE 300 YEARS OF LIVING ON THIS PLANET COACH, and I AM MUCH TALLER. JUST BECAUSE I AM NOT DIETING DOWN FOR A SHOW, doesnt mean SHIT.
you tell me old man, what do you think is more impressive, going from 149lbs to lets say at the VERY MOST LEANED OUT I WEIGH 200lbs at 6ft 2.. lets just say I lose 65 lbs to get inshape which is way too much...PUTTING ON 50LBS OF MUSCLE FROM AGE 14-22, MOST OF WHICH WAS DONE NATURALLY...
vs
someone who is 5ft6 and in the past 20+ some years could only put on what looks like maybe 30lbs of muscle FUCKIN JUICED.
the numbers speak for themselves genius :-*
See junour, this where your knowledge dissipates. You seem to think just because someone doesn't put on a ton of muscle in a short amount of time that makes them inferior or "not knowledgeable" this is where you and Milos are wrong, it's the smart ones who maintain and put muscle on slowly while conditioning gets better and better and better, Shawn Ray weighed 197 when he won the Nationals in 87' and weighed between 205 and 210 during his final Olympia years, same with Labrada (both who by the way owned Milos in everyway) I was there when Labrada won middles at the Nationals (he beat my training partner Jon Aranita) at 1761/4 and during his final Olympia years never competed at much more over 185-190....why? it was conditioned quality muscle.
Dude, your too obsessed with size instead of size and quality.....I'm not being sarcastic when I say this, I'm being totally honest, people who think like you have so much to learn it ain't even funny, you can insult all you want, but it's the Gods honest truth!!
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you know what i see? i see someone who was in great shape 20 years ago at 5ft 6 who probably put ona whole 30lbs of muscle since they have been working out in the PAST 20 YEARS.
what great progress ::)
BTW, it's closer to 45lbs not 30.....big difference.
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Milos, please talk about Nasser's recent accusations :D
You mentioned Milos Sarcev. Here is a point I would like to make in this interview. Milos still owes me money: 2550 dollars. I loaned him money to buy anabolic steroids because at the time, in 1995, he was getting divorced from one of his numerous wives and he was out of money. So I loaned him the money so he could buy his drugs so he could compete. But he never gave me the money back (laughs).
Later he was telling people that he paid me back by providing me with steroid knowledge. First of all this is wrong: he never gave me any knowledge because he would get all his knowledge from me. He likes to be one of these guys who are always the center of attention.
He is one of the most vain bodybuilders. And he has silicone implants in his calves. And he likes to have the reputation as being the trainer of champions and everybody who he is training he is providing with drugs and then he gets a little success with his clients, before moving onto the next one.
Again he is very attention hungry and likes to promote himself and this is why he likes to give out the steroids. Because people wouldn't actually go to him to be trained if they did not get the steroid program they were promised.
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I am telling you that my "studies" (read LIFE Bozo) is something I practice for over 20 years...
I used this method from the very beginning of my career as I simply didn't know better...Made sense to me from th every beginning as in Yugoslavia there was nobody to tell me that I was wrong.
I didn't have all the protein that I wanted...my family could not afford it...but ONE THING I HAD was "EAK - Esencijalne Amino Kiseline" from Pharmaceutical company Hemofarm - Vrsac...
As I managed to forge signature of my father (doctor) on his stolen Rx notebook - I had almost unlimited supply of these to me priceless essential amino acids at the time...
So I would save them for before-during and after the workout driving them with either orange juice or other sugary drinks...to me it always made sense to use simultaneously EAA, Glucose and spike the insulin...
It worked wonders in the beginning of my career when I was often accused "juicing" when I didn't know what juice is....and it works now - BUT MUCH BETTER as I managed to enhance my formula...
But, point is - DO YOU KNOW HOW NUMEROUS STUDIES ARE BEING DONE ANYWAY?
If you do (which I doubt) how can you compare them with someone's lifetime work...MINE to be exact...
And JUST BECAUSE I didn't do University Study so far you are suggesting that my theory and principles are - worthless?
So to answer your question MY studies ARE more comprehensive than MANY case proven published clinical studies BY FAR!
And time will tell. ;)
In the mean time - did you have your rice cake yet?
you stole your father's rx pad, forged his signature and uttered the script, of which you gained drugs illegally.
then you claim that you didn't 'know what steroids were' before later contradicting that post when you stated that you knew about steroids but didn't use them becaue you feared dying and we are supposed to believe that, seeing as you had no problem using other prescription drugs.
your whole career you have been obsessed with bbing and have put your health and life on the line numerous times, but we are supposed to believe that this 19 year old wannabe champion bber was too scared to use some steroids. ::)
btw, i still haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that pre-digested amino acids consumed orally will not take considerable time before they may be available to the blood.
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It takes 4 months maxmium for me to diet down, it TAKES YEARS TO PUT ON THAT MUCH MUSCLE.
You say it takes years to put on muscle, yet slam Coach for "only" putting on 30 lbs. of muscle over the years.
Which one is it Tubby?
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This you? Being fat doesn't make you better or more advanced in your training.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/muverse.jpg)
Here's me over 20 years ago and about a year or two younger than you........see the difference junour?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/jv_01-05-06c.jpg)
Muvirse Looks a junior version of King Tamali.. :P
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Milos, why havnet I been sent a confirmation e-mail yet?? ???
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Milos' Drinks - they deliver!
Hi Milos.
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funny u mention shawn ray...so ur 205 at 5 ft 6 right? funny how ur the same height and weight but look no where near that size and musclarity at 6 percent bodyfat...why is that?
either shawn was way heavier or u r way lighter which one is it?????
Those pictures are not recent. I think he said he was 160 in the pics. ::)
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i have seen recent pictures and there is NO progress. In fact he might look SMALLER.
If he is 205lbs at 6% bodyfat he should be looking as muscular as Ray, Padilla, Colombu.. SOMETHING along those lines.. but he does not...
God please I beg of you, stop stop embarresing yourself and showing you're ignorance!
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i am sure that milos' drinks do work very well. probably even close to as well as he claims they do.
but they are EXPENSIVE!
so i am making my own version, the cheap way..
i bought some bcaa's, some arginine, and some creatine monohydrate.
taking them 45 minutes before my workout, 5 minutes before my workout, and 20 minutes into my workout.
i think the whey protein and the carbs he adds in dont add anything. and i think that his timing is off..(digestion is not immidiete, thus, if you want an immidiete post workout supp., it has to be ingested prior to the end of the workout; if you want a during workout supp., it has to be ingested just before; and if you want a pre workour supp. it has to be dgested quite soemt ime before the workout....)
i am doing this for the first time today.
ill let you guys know how it works.
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i am sure that milos' drinks do work very well. probably even close to as well as he claims they do.
but they are EXPENSIVE!
so i am making my own version, the cheap way..
i bought some bcaa's, some arginine, and some creatine monohydrate.
taking them 45 minutes before my workout, 5 minutes before my workout, and 20 minutes into my workout.
i think the whey protein and the carbs he adds in dont add anything. and i think that his timing is off..(digestion is not immidiete, thus, if you want an immidiete post workout supp., it has to be ingested prior to the end of the workout; if you want a during workout supp., it has to be ingested just before; and if you want a pre workour supp. it has to be dgested quite soemt ime before the workout....)
i am doing this for the first time today.
ill let you guys know how it works.
Add in Vitargo. I've been getting Vitargo from Sweden (much better than the American version) and even though it's expensive as hell it's well worth the cost.
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i will be buying some vitargo in a few weeks...i am leaning out right now and have zero carb intake for at least another week or two..once i get to 9-10%bf then i will add in vegetables and small amounts of vitargo post workout. i have heard tremendous things about it.
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i will be buying some vitargo in a few weeks...i am leaning out right now and have zero carb intake for at least another week or two..once i get to 9-10%bf then i will add in vegetables and small amounts of vitargo post workout. i have heard tremendous things about it.
.....and on a side note, I've been using vitargo for my athletes long before Milos made it popular.....not really a secret in the athletic community!
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My point, I seriously think that I or anyone who gets conditioned enough has the advantage over someone who is on insulin, when I hit my poses, things happend, I went from looking relaxed to looked reletivly (being that I'm 5 weeks out) ripped, something you don't see anymore, I'm not boasting by anymeans, I'm just telling you the difference in what I see, again, I've always maintained that it's MUCH easier to get big than it is to get ripped. It's been said by people who were fortunate enough to see Frank Zane at an Olympia say "when he walked on stage you can see every fiber in his muscles move and when he posed, his muscles jumped out".........that Milos, is true ripped conditioning and oh, I do realize that people today are much bigger because of the insulin, but make no mistake, I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
Arnold, in his Encyclopedia, attributes this to the difference in training (I'm SURE that drugs play a large part in todays physiques too). He mentions how Franco would train rather heavy all the time, so when he flexed, nothing really "popped." However, when Arnold hit his poses, this "something" happened, and Arnold said it was because he did higher reps.
Don't shoot the messenger, but I think the theory holds water to some degree. 8)
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I think Joes is going to come in as promised
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I think Joes is going to come in as promised
That would be an understatement, unless something drastically goes wrong, it will be as promised and more :D
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I see all the guys & some gals on here talk alot of shit......
Joe..I believe you'll be one of the first getbiggers that will do what he says
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i will be buying some vitargo in a few weeks...i am leaning out right now and have zero carb intake for at least another week or two..once i get to 9-10%bf then i will add in vegetables and small amounts of vitargo post workout. i have heard tremendous things about it.
How long have you been leaning out. Got any progress Pics.
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How long have you been leaning out. Got any progress Pics.
wow. i have been trying to diet for a year and 3 months. my overall fat loss has been about 100 lbs..while gaining maybe 20 lbs of lean mass. the last three or four months my dieting has been very staggered.
here.. this is not an ab shot, but it was taken today and can be some sort of indication as to my present condition.
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wow. i have been trying to diet for a year and 3 months. my overall fat loss has been about 100 lbs..while gaining maybe 20 lbs of lean mass. the last three or four months my dieting has been very staggered.
here.. this is not an ab shot, but it was taken today and can be some sort of indication as to my present condition.
Ok. Still look like shit. Just wanted to make sure.
J/K
I know you were on the low carb for awhile but not sure how long and what you lost on the low carb.
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no...for a bodybuilder i do look like shit.
but thats okay..i am doing the best i can with what i was given. and besides...the physique of a good bodybuilder is not the physique that the average female finds attractive or ideal.. i am attaining an attractive body by working towards an unattractive one. =)
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Add in Vitargo. I've been getting Vitargo from Sweden (much better than the American version) and even though it's expensive as hell it's well worth the cost.
where do you order this from?
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www.vitargo.com
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no...for a bodybuilder i do look like shit.
but thats okay..i am doing the best i can with what i was given. and besides...the physique of a good bodybuilder is not the physique that the average female finds attractive or ideal.. i am attaining an attractive body by working towards an unattractive one. =)
good call.
Most BB start as ugly little creeps, then go way past their goal and end up as ugly big creeps.
(See Branch Warren, Markus Ruehl, Kamali*, Gustavo,...)
*actually not so big, but even more ugly
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Half the people posting on this thread aren't even Americans, dumbass. ::)
Are you in that non-american half,dip shit??
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I just went to www.koloseum.com and clicked on Products. It says "Welcome Warriors register or log in to get your 50% discount on our 3-Stage Hyper-Anabolic System. I created a new customer account, and when I went back to the Products tab, it showed a promo item for all three products (Preload, XXPload and Reload) all three for only $99.99. What the hell, I order it! At this price, it's cheaper than protein!!
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Who do I owe money supposedly? ::)
Still no answer?
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Still no answer?
You are asking me?
I think I was the one asking the question..."Who do I owe money supposedly?"
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Thanks for the GetBig promotional discount Milos, just placed an order, definitely a stand up thing to do!
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My "rice cake"? No, I haven't, but funny you posted a diet on here that VERY, VERY close to the one I'm on, all the way down to the omega eggs, but here's the thing Milos, I have not and will not use any insulin. As I was going through my posing routein and mandatories, something occured to me and made me more glad I never fell into the insulin hype. In my relaxed mandatories I will say all though I am hard and about 2-3 weeks ahead of schedule, I did not have the hardness as someone on insulin, but it occured to me that guys on insulin looked the same while standing relaxed as opposed to being flexed, here's what I am getting at, during the Olympia commentary by Charles Glass he made certain comments on how certain competitors muscle "moved" while others did not.
My point, I seriously think that I or anyone who gets conditioned enough has the advantage over someone who is on insulin, when I hit my poses, things happend, I went from looking relaxed to looked reletivly (being that I'm 5 weeks out) ripped, something you don't see anymore, I'm not boasting by anymeans, I'm just telling you the difference in what I see, again, I've always maintained that it's MUCH easier to get big than it is to get ripped. It's been said by people who were fortunate enough to see Frank Zane at an Olympia say "when he walked on stage you can see every fiber in his muscles move and when he posed, his muscles jumped out".........that Milos, is true ripped conditioning and oh, I do realize that people today are much bigger because of the insulin, but make no mistake, I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
;D ;D ;D
This shows HOW MUCH YOU (DON'T ;)) KNOW ABOUT INSULIN...
OLD SCHOOL Coach...OLD SCHOOL...rather KINDERGARTEN...It is time to learn something...and maybe improve after 30 years of not being able to put an ounce of muscle...
But Coach - keep our conversation in "our thread"...I was going to focus on my drinks here...
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I cannot write right now (work calls...my 12-16 clients on Saturday ::) that is)...but I will explain my recommendations using my drinks when I grab the time (later today or tomorrow)...
As this thread did generate interest - my partner and I decided to extend the 50% offer for ONE WEEK...so if some of you guys didn't catch this on time - I will still give you a chance to try my products - at least...
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Europeans can't order?
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;D ;D ;D
.and maybe improve after 30 years of not being able to put an ounce of muscle...
Hahahahahahahahaha.....i t's a carb day for me Milos and I'm in a pretty good mood, that made me laugh. Ever thought about becoming a comedian??
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Thanks for the promo deal Milos!
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;D ;D ;D
This shows HOW MUCH YOU (DON'T ;)) KNOW ABOUT INSULIN...
OLD SCHOOL Coach...OLD SCHOOL...rather KINDERGARTEN...It is time to learn something...and maybe improve after 30 years of not being able to put an ounce of muscle...
But Coach - keep our conversation in "our thread"...I was going to focus on my drinks here...
Are you going to deny that all though not as big in some cases that Old school BBer's were better conditioned? Or do I need to post a whole slew of late 80's to to Mid- 90's pics to prove it?
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;D ;D ;D
This shows HOW MUCH YOU (DON'T ;)) KNOW ABOUT INSULIN...
OLD SCHOOL Coach...OLD SCHOOL...rather KINDERGARTEN...It is time to learn something...and maybe improve after 30 years of not being able to put an ounce of muscle...
But Coach - keep our conversation in "our thread"...I was going to focus on my drinks here...
BTW...point out where I'm wrong in long post!
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Hahahahahahahahaha.....it's a carb day for me Milos and I'm in a pretty good mood, that made me laugh. Ever thought about becoming a comedian??
So you had 3 rice cakes today?
Wow...happy day for you Coach....
Oh BTW...I gave my favorite breakfast recipe at www.bodybuiding.com...I have to paste it here (I am serious about this one...this time)...some of you will love it...
Anyway Coach...one thing my 16 clients a day get is comedy show...that's why I charge so much...
You see - my web guy mistakenly added a zero to my coast of the session...I didn't catch it on time and next thing you know I started getting more "satisfied" customers than before...
You charge little - everyone things you stink...so I decided if someone tells me "I stink" it better be for real than "figuratively"...(God knows I have my "stinky days"...)
Hey bro - have extra rice cake on me...(and than do like 2 more hours of cardio...to match the new and increased "caloric consumption")
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ey milo's in the other thread you invited me to a seminar at your gym where you would teahc me all about nutrition. and you said it would be free.
on your website, http://koloseum.com/store/StoreNews.asp?sNewsUnq=5,
it says its going to cost 450 dollars!
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But Coach - keep our conversation in "our thread"...I was going to focus on my drinks here...
(http://russelldavies.typepad.com/planning/russ_bottle.jpg)
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ey milo's in the other thread you invited me to a seminar at your gym where you would teahc me all about nutrition. and you said it would be free.
on your website, http://koloseum.com/store/StoreNews.asp?sNewsUnq=5,
it says its going to cost 450 dollars!
I am giving FREE SEMINAR...at different date...
One you talk about is organized by my dear friend and the best strength coach I know - CHARLES POLIQUIN
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Here is my breakfast recipe (goes great with my drinks... ;D)
12 egg whites
1 cup dry oats
1/2 cup of pineapple chunks
Soak oats with either water, pineapple juice - than put in microwave for two minutes...
Use pam spray for frying pan - cook egg whites and when finished turn off the heat...than add cooked oatmeal and pineapple chunks and mix all together...Than add 1/2 or cup...(or more? if you wish) apple butter [that is my favorite...but you could use any kind of baby food...or jams...If limiting carbs - sprinkle EQUAL + Molly Mc Butter/optional]
I am not kidding - I have this 1000 mornings in matter of 3 calendar years...
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Europeans can't order?
Only a "stupid kind" (of Europeans)...can't...Everyone else is welcome.
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That would be an understatement, unless something drastically goes wrong, it will be as promised and more :D
What did you promise?
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Hey Milos what do you think of Poliquin's principle of protein cycling? Do you see any benefits of it?
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Only a "stupid kind" (of Europeans)...can't...Everyone else is welcome.
Well call me stupid all you want but on your register form all you can select is US or Canada...
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You are asking me?
I think I was the one asking the question..."Who do I owe money supposedly?"
Nassar El Saumblobby says you owe him thousands.
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My "rice cake"? No, I haven't, but funny you posted a diet on here that VERY, VERY close to the one I'm on, all the way down to the omega eggs, but here's the thing Milos, I have not and will not use any insulin. As I was going through my posing routein and mandatories, something occured to me and made me more glad I never fell into the insulin hype. In my relaxed mandatories I will say all though I am hard and about 2-3 weeks ahead of schedule, I did not have the hardness as someone on insulin, but it occured to me that guys on insulin looked the same while standing relaxed as opposed to being flexed, here's what I am getting at, during the Olympia commentary by Charles Glass he made certain comments on how certain competitors muscle "moved" while others did not.
My point, I seriously think that I or anyone who gets conditioned enough has the advantage over someone who is on insulin, when I hit my poses, things happend, I went from looking relaxed to looked reletivly (being that I'm 5 weeks out) ripped, something you don't see anymore, I'm not boasting by anymeans, I'm just telling you the difference in what I see, again, I've always maintained that it's MUCH easier to get big than it is to get ripped. It's been said by people who were fortunate enough to see Frank Zane at an Olympia say "when he walked on stage you can see every fiber in his muscles move and when he posed, his muscles jumped out".........that Milos, is true ripped conditioning and oh, I do realize that people today are much bigger because of the insulin, but make no mistake, I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
Hey coach any idea were can i see pics of that contest??or do you have any?
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hey mr. intensejoe, let's see some pics 5 weeks out , you big musclebear.
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I cannot write right now (work calls...my 12-16 clients on Saturday ::) that is)...but I will explain my recommendations using my drinks when I grab the time (later today or tomorrow)...
As this thread did generate interest - my partner and I decided to extend the 50% offer for ONE WEEK...so if some of you guys didn't catch this on time - I will still give you a chance to try my products - at least...
Standup thing to do Milos.
I'm going to order them and will give a no BS report on my results
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Hey Milos how can Europeans order your products?
Thanks.
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So do you get a free tshirt or anythign wtih an order?? maybe some shakerr cups?
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You charge little - everyone things you stink...so I decided if someone tells me "I stink" it better be for real than "figuratively"...(God knows I have my "stinky days"...)
I charge what my market calls for (you don't know what I charge anyway). You charge what your market calls for (as you know there's a sucker born every minute), My highschool, college and professional athletes are charged accordingly, my professional athletes are charged at a much higher rate (more than your rates) and are negociated and paid through the agents. The difference is Milos, I have retained my personal clients for years and years which equals client stability.
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Complain about the taste?
Try mixing 2 scoops of preload with orange flavor gatorade...and drink half an hour before the workout.
For xxpload you can use either orange or punch flavor gatorade and drink in between sets...
I purposely left out some carbs out - for LOW CARB CRAZE and also to possibly negotiate a deal with Gatorade in months to come...
But - you want HYPERANABOLISM - try my "snake oil" for a week or two and than talk about snakes or oils...
Where can you buy and check out your new products Milos? Thanks Howard
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So do you get a free tshirt or anythign wtih an order?? maybe some shakerr cups?
lol, omg. After you pull the silver spoon out of your mouth, ask mommy for a bit of your $5k weely allowance to buy some of Milos' suppliments at half off. ::)
Howie: www.koloseum.com/store/
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lol, omg. After you pull the silver spoon out of your mouth, ask mommy for a bit of your $5k weely allowance to buy some of Milos' suppliments at half off. ::)
Howie: www.koloseum.com/store/
I did, homo, and now I'm asking if I get a free tshirt like pretty much every other online supp store. A koloseum shirt would be much less embarasign than a bbing.com one.
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Only a "stupid kind" (of Europeans)...can't...Everyone else is welcome.
did u mean savastase is stupid?
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Nassar El Saumblobby says you owe him thousands.
WELL MILOS??????
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I did, ####, and now I'm asking if I get a free tshirt like pretty much every other online supp store. A koloseum shirt would be much less embarasign than a bbing.com one.
Ungrateful little bitch you are.... >:(
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Maybe i"m stupid too, but i think EUROPE is not part of neither USA nor CANADA.
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Milos have you ever considered offering a 2 day trial size version?
Some of us (me) have stomachs that can't tolerate certain supps (creatine, NOxplode).
It would be more beneficial for us to be able to purchase a smaller version of the product to see if we can tolerate it. That is a lot of money to shell out and only find out we can't use it.
I don't see the list of ingredients in it so I can't tell or guess how I might react to it.
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I did, ####, and now I'm asking if I get a free tshirt like pretty much every other online supp store. A koloseum shirt would be much less embarasign than a bbing.com one.
He is already giving 50 % off, how many supplement companys do that ? and then give you a free t-shirt, I bet you cant name one.
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I don't see the list of ingredients in it so I can't tell or guess how I might react to it.
As far as I know, it's animo acids and carbs.
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http://www.bc.edu/offices/bcds/nutrition/topics/supplements/
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I don't see the list of ingredients in it so I can't tell or guess how I might react to it.
http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=2&iNum=1
http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=3&iNum=1
http://koloseum.com//store/ProductDetail.asp?bDetail=T&IDProduct=4&iNum=1
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i just ordered all three supplements from Milo's at the getbig 50% off discount.when they get to my house i will do a log or something telling you how they work.i personally have no biased on the situation,and don't care either way if they work or not.
but give me at least two weeks after the order arrives for a statement.
bench
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Milos, I gotta say I just listened to your info on the probodybuilding weekly radio show and you make the products sound really good. Your entire theory of drinking shakes during the workout always seemed like aggressive marketing for protein sales.
Then again, bodybuilders have been using pre and post workout drinks which recently has become scientifically proven (the anabolic window). Perhaps there's something to your theories.
My only concern right now is quality ingredients and how you're going to sell me on the idea that your products actually contain EVERYTHING on the label and nothing that's NOT supposed to be there.
Thanks.
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Milos, I gotta say I just listened to your info on the probodybuilding weekly radio show and you make the products sound really good. Your entire theory of drinking shakes during the workout always seemed like aggressive marketing for protein sales.
Then again, bodybuilders have been using pre and post workout drinks which recently has become scientifically proven (the anabolic window). Perhaps there's something to your theories.
My only concern right now is quality ingredients and how you're going to sell me on the idea that your products actually contain EVERYTHING on the label and nothing that's NOT supposed to be there.
Thanks.
Is this how you approach any product you buy? Aspirin, Cheerios, Diet Pepsi, vitamine C tablets, etc? I'd like to see what other companies have replied to this request of yours.
Actually, the secret ingredient is dirt. Magic dirt from the plains of Willowbrook Harmonies. Milos stole it from the Waffling Pixies of Destiny. *shhh* Don't tell anyone -- and it's not listed on the label!
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As far as I know, it's animo acids and carbs.
It also has 3 different kinds of arginine, creatine ethyl ester and monohydrate
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Is this how you approach any product you buy? Aspirin, Cheerios, Diet Pepsi, vitamine C tablets, etc? I'd like to see what other companies have replied to this request of yours.
As far as I know anything the FDA has APPROVED!
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Is this how you approach any product you buy? Aspirin, Cheerios, Diet Pepsi, vitamine C tablets, etc? I'd like to see what other companies have replied to this request of yours.
Actually, the secret ingredient is dirt. Magic dirt from the plains of Willowbrook Harmonies. Milos stole it from the Waffling Pixies of Destiny. *shhh* Don't tell anyone -- and it's not listed on the label!
Actually, I'm trying to find out more about his product, but thanks for the jackass reply.
The supplement industry is UNREGULATED, but I'm sure you knew that. And companies that haven't established themselves in the market aren't what I call 'trustworthy'.
Aspirin, Cheerios and Diet Pepsi all have the FDA to REGULATE the ingredients. These companies would be held accountable via massive penalties and infractions if their products were found to not have what's on the label, ingredient list...or if they were contaminated. Being regulated also means that they have strict testing standards that are again REGULATED and ENFORCED via third parties. The supplement industry does NOT do those things...and you wonder why it's such a lucrative market?
Being such a smart guy I'm sure you already knew that.
I'll buy a product from Muscletech before I buy a product from some unknown, don't care who manufactures it. To do otherwise, without some type of independent testing, is foolish and possibly dangerous. Milos would most likely agree.
So I'm supposed to take Milos' word? No disrespect, but no thanks. All I'm looking for is some more info on the quality of the product, and what measures were taken to ensure that quality. Once upon a time, people were actually concerned about quality; getting what they were paying for. That's fallen by the wayside for advertisements with jacked up goons wearing Hannibal masks. Whatever.
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It also has 3 different kinds of arginine, creatine ethyl ester and monohydrate
Arginine IS an amino acid.
But I didn't know it had creatine in it.
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Actually, I'm trying to find out more about his product, but thanks for the jackass reply.
The supplement industry is UNREGULATED, but I'm sure you knew that. And companies that haven't established themselves in the market aren't what I call 'trustworthy'.
Aspirin, Cheerios and Diet Pepsi all have the FDA to REGULATE the ingredients. These companies would be held accountable via massive penalties and infractions if their products were found to not have what's on the label, ingredient list...or if they were contaminated. Being regulated also means that they have strict testing standards that are again REGULATED and ENFORCED via third parties. The supplement industry does NOT do those things...and you wonder why it's such a lucrative market?
Being such a smart guy I'm sure you already knew that.
I'll buy a product from Muscletech before I buy a product from some unknown, don't care who manufactures it. To do otherwise, without some type of independent testing, is foolish and possibly dangerous. Milos would most likely agree.
So I'm supposed to take Milos' word? No disrespect, but no thanks. All I'm looking for is some more info on the quality of the product, and what measures were taken to ensure that quality. Once upon a time, people were actually concerned about quality; getting what they were paying for. That's fallen by the wayside for advertisements with jacked up goons wearing Hannibal masks. Whatever.
Thanks for the utterly nonsense meltdown reply.
Ok, so you want to get specific. Go ask Rich Gaspari (Gaspari Nutrition) for the same thing you're asking Milos for. He'll laugh in your face. Ask the owners of Met-Rx. Ask the Weiders. Ask the tiny corner suppliment guy. Ask Muscletech -- like they're all honest and shit because they've been around -- hell, they might be selling you dirt and raping you for all you know. Ask ANY of them. You'd be the laughing stock of the nutrition world. People in the industry would make jokes about you for years on end. Duh.
"This stupid kid was trying to get us to fork over some sort of third party proof of what was and wasn't in our products. Who does he think he is? God? Like we're going to give him any of our confidential information or spend a dime on third party studies for this joker! hahahahah *whole room -- hahahahahha*"
My point was made. You decided to try and twist it to "win". And it failed. Morons - you and The Coach (although, we've already established the brainlessness of The Coach many, many times). Try debating baseless points with someone of your own stature - you might have a chance then.
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Morons - you and The Coach (although, we've already established the brainlessness of The Coach many, many times). Try debating baseless points with someone of your own stature - you might have a chance then.
Pot meet kettle!
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Pot meet kettle!
And you even stole the phrase I use...geeze, not even enough brains to come up with something unique.
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And you even stole the phrase I use...geeze, not even enough brains to come up with something unique.
Yes, of course I did ::)
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Yes, of course I did :-[
I told you to stop it! Pretty soon you'll have to shave your palms. Geeze.
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Thanks for the utterly nonsense meltdown reply.
Ok, so you want to get specific. Go ask Rich Gaspari (Gaspari Nutrition) for the same thing you're asking Milos for. He'll laugh in your face. Ask the owners of Met-Rx. Ask the Weiders. Ask the tiny corner suppliment guy. Ask Muscletech -- like they're all honest and shit because they've been around -- hell, they might be selling you dirt and raping you for all you know. Ask ANY of them. You'd be the laughing stock of the nutrition world. People in the industry would make jokes about you for years on end. Duh.
"This stupid kid was trying to get us to fork over some sort of third party proof of what was and wasn't in our products. Who does he think he is? God? Like we're going to give him any of our confidential information or spend a dime on third party studies for this joker! hahahahah *whole room -- hahahahahha*"
My point was made. You decided to try and twist it to "win". And it failed. Morons - you and The Coach (although, we've already established the brainlessness of The Coach many, many times). Try debating baseless points with someone of your own stature - you might have a chance then.
garraeth
i can guarantee you 100% that if gaspari, connelly, weider or anyone else was on getbig claiming anabolic and anti-catabolic status to his food supplements i would certainly be asking some questions. whether they chose to answer/meltdown/insult/whatever wouldn't concern me in the slightest, i'll still ask the questions.
i have nothing against milos personally. he's a smart man and not afraid to say what he thinks and i respect that, but he has made some outlandish claims re the product eg. 30lbs of muscle in 2 weeks for something that, at the end of the day, is nothing more than macronutrients in a powder.
the supplement industry is a billion dollar fraud. food NEVER has and NEVER will have drug like effects. if it did, why would the bbers that endorse the products (including milos' pro bbers) continue to risk their health and liberty taking anabolic drugs?
manipulating insulin naturally to induce gains in lean body mass is a croc of shit and, again, if it was effective why would milos himself continue to use insulin drugs?
i've said this before, but i have no problem with milos' business. if he pushes his products on his board or at the olympia booths or whatever, fine, but to come on here and make outrageous claims and expect no one to call him on it? sorry, you can both meltdown and talk about ajax, pepsi, kindergarten, the sky and grass all you want, all it does is confirm to me that neither of you actually want to talk about the product, because you know there's only so many ways you can sell sugar and protein. ;D
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garraeth
i can guarantee you 100% that if gaspari, connelly, weider or anyone else was on getbig claiming anabolic and anti-catabolic status to his food supplements i would certainly be asking some questions. whether they chose to answer/meltdown/insult/whatever wouldn't concern me in the slightest, i'll still ask the questions.
i have nothing against milos personally. he's a smart man and not afraid to say what he thinks and i respect that, but he has made some outlandish claims re the product eg. 30lbs of muscle in 2 weeks for something that, at the end of the day, is nothing more than macronutrients in a powder.
the supplement industry is a billion dollar fraud. food NEVER has and NEVER will have drug like effects. if it did, why would the bbers that endorse the products (including milos' pro bbers) continue to risk their health and liberty taking anabolic drugs?
manipulating insulin naturally to induce gains in lean body mass is a croc of shit and, again, if it was effective why would milos himself continue to use insulin drugs?
i've said this before, but i have no problem with milos' business. if he pushes his products on his board or at the olympia booths or whatever, fine, but to come on here and make outrageous claims and expect no one to call him on it? sorry, you can both meltdown and talk about ajax, pepsi, kindergarten, the sky and grass all you want, all it does is confirm to me that neither of you actually want to talk about the product, because you know there's only so many ways you can sell sugar and protein. ;D
OK, that's fine, but I don't remember him saying you'd gain 30lbs in any time period on KNS...maybe on slin, but I don't remember KNS. And if so, it's not on any literature.
And what you say is great. But bic_staedtler is asking for information that no one would give him. NO ONE. I don't care if they say their product would pack on 300lb of lean muscle in 2 days, he'd still be laughed at. And this is the subject in question. Not Milos' claims or what's in the product. ie. your reply is great, and you can question those things of course, and I'm not trying to offend, but it is off-topic.
So he can ask the question, and I can laugh at him for being so naive as to think anyone would give him an answer. Think of the logistics. The cost. The simple fact that the company would possibly be revealing trade secrets. The risk to the company.
Never will happen.
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OK, that's fine, but I don't remember him saying you'd gain 30lbs in any time period on KNS...maybe on slin, but I don't remember KNS. And if so, it's not on any literature.
And what you say is great. But bic_staedtler is asking for information that no one would give him. NO ONE. I don't care if they say their product would pack on 300lb of lean muscle in 2 days, he'd still be laughed at. And this is the subject in question. Not Milos' claims or what's in the product. ie. your reply is great, and you can question those things of course, and I'm not trying to offend, but it is off-topic.
So he can ask the question, and I can laugh at him for being so naive as to think anyone would give him an answer. Think of the logistics. The cost. The simple fact that the company would possibly be revealing trade secrets. The risk to the company.
Never will happen.
agreed
any way you look at it you are taking a gamble when it comes to food supplements. the industry is wide open to fraud and, basically, this is exactly how the weiders built their multi million dollar empire, by getting drug assisted bbers endorsing his over priced milk powder. the actual comps and mags were just a front. muscletech is now doing the same thing and rather aggressively ie cutler winning the 2007 olympia.
the title of this thread is the topic i'm commenting on. any side issue is only a side issue. milos 'promises' his drinks deliver what he says and the simple fact is, he has ZERO evidence to back his claim (sorry, the drug assisted bbers endorsements don't count - see aforementioned comment about weider). people are just going to have to trust milos if they want to purchase his product. good luck with that.
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agreed
any way you look at it you are taking a gamble when it comes to food supplements. the industry is wide open to fraud and, basically, this is exactly how the weiders built their multi million dollar empire, by getting drug assisted bbers endorsing his over priced milk powder. the actual comps and mags were just a front. muscletech is now doing the same thing and rather aggressively ie cutler winning the 2007 olympia.
the title of this thread is the topic i'm commenting on. any side issue is only a side issue. milos 'promises' his drinks deliver what he says and the simple fact is, he has ZERO evidence to back his claim (sorry, the drug assisted bbers endorsements don't count - see aforementioned comment about weider). people are just going to have to trust milos if they want to purchase his product. good luck with that.
Yup!
Kinda sucks...I've been "had" many times before too.
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My "rice cake"? No, I haven't, but funny you posted a diet on here that VERY, VERY close to the one I'm on, all the way down to the omega eggs, but here's the thing Milos, I have not and will not use any insulin. As I was going through my posing routein and mandatories, something occured to me and made me more glad I never fell into the insulin hype. In my relaxed mandatories I will say all though I am hard and about 2-3 weeks ahead of schedule, I did not have the hardness as someone on insulin, but it occured to me that guys on insulin looked the same while standing relaxed as opposed to being flexed, here's what I am getting at, during the Olympia commentary by Charles Glass he made certain comments on how certain competitors muscle "moved" while others did not.
My point, I seriously think that I or anyone who gets conditioned enough has the advantage over someone who is on insulin, when I hit my poses, things happend, I went from looking relaxed to looked reletivly (being that I'm 5 weeks out) ripped, something you don't see anymore, I'm not boasting by anymeans, I'm just telling you the difference in what I see, again, I've always maintained that it's MUCH easier to get big than it is to get ripped. It's been said by people who were fortunate enough to see Frank Zane at an Olympia say "when he walked on stage you can see every fiber in his muscles move and when he posed, his muscles jumped out".........that Milos, is true ripped conditioning and oh, I do realize that people today are much bigger because of the insulin, but make no mistake, I won't be that small as I was water tested today at under 6% and 205 at 5'6, which means I'm tetering on Lt. Heavies to Heavies and my symmetry hasn't suffered one bit and at 45, no loose skin to speak of. Old School Milos...old school!!
coach
i've got to give you some kudos here. you have actually outdone yourself.
this right here is the stupidest thing you've said on getbig.
well done man. :D
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coach
i've got to give you some kudos here. you have actually outdone yourself.
this right here is the stupidest thing you've said on getbig.
well done man. :D
You've just got to love these guys who come on here who don't bodybuild, don't diet have no desire to compete but yet they give answers like this clown and cannot substantiate as to WHY it was so "stupid".
Again, this is getbig and would expect nothing less...good job "beast"!
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You've just got to love these guys who come on here who don't bodybuild, don't diet have no desire to compete but yet they give answers like this clown and cannot substantiate as to WHY it was so "stupid".
Again, this is getbig and would expect nothing less...good job "beast"!
yeah, but isn't it sad when a guy who does a completely different sport to you knows more about your sport than you do? ;D
doesn't take much, just some common dog fuck really.
let me see if i can explain it in simple terminology so even a meat head like you can understand.
muscle is that stuff that connects to the joints and helps you move around and stuff. when you contract the muscle it hardens and bulges ie what you refer to as 'popping'. :D
anyway, as a muscle develops and your neurology becomes more efficient you gain more control over your muscles and can contract them and relax them at will. :D
now here's the hard bit for you to understand :( : it doesn't actually matter how the muscle develops ie hormone manipulation, weight training, etc, as long as the muscle is conditioned, there is a certain degree of neurological control attained by the owner and there isn't fat and water blurring it's definition, you will see that muscle 'pop' out exactly the same way every time. ;)
how long you been bodybuilding again, coach? :-[
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now here's the hard bit for you to understand :( : it doesn't actually matter how the muscle develops ie hormone manipulation, weight training, etc, as long as the muscle is conditioned, there is a certain degree of neurological control attained by the owner and there isn't fat and water blurring it's definition, you will see that muscle 'pop' out exactly the same way every time.
In theory, this is true. But just because you have X amount of muscle, and how you built it (natural, insulin and/or GH, boatloads of roids, synthol etc...) are two different things.
One look at the past BBer's, from the seventies to the mid to late nineties, and compare them to the current guys, you can see there is an obvious difference in muscle. From the way it pops, the way they look semi flexed when standing relaxed (like refrigerators or huge blocks of tissue), or even boiling it down to skin tone and complexion.
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In theory, this is true. But just because you have X amount of muscle, and how you built it (natural, insulin and/or GH, boatloads of roids, synthol etc...) are two different things.
One look at the past BBer's, from the seventies to the mid to late nineties, and compare them to the current guys, you can see there is an obvious difference in muscle. From the way it pops, the way they look semi flexed when standing relaxed (like refrigerators or huge blocks of tissue), or even boiling it down to skin tone and complexion.
well, synthol and site injections are not muscle, they only add volume to muscle and this will cause the non differential more than anything.
apart from that, if it's muscle it flexes, that simple. problem is, guys don't ever actually stand relaxed like they did in the past, so they are always flexed and the reason they look more blocky, etc is simply because they have a shit load more muscle. look at ronnie's biceps pre 2006 (i can't say jay because he has too much synthol). name me another bber in history that had biceps that popped up better than ronnie's?
it really is a moot point and makes no sense whatsoever. it is something i would expect to hear from an ignorant bimbo, not a 30 year veteran and supposedly a personal trainer that makes his living from said sport.
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yeah, but isn't it sad when a guy who does a completely different sport to you knows more about your sport than you do? ;D
doesn't take much, just some common dog fuck really.
let me see if i can explain it in simple terminology so even a meat head like you can understand.
muscle is that stuff that connects to the joints and helps you move around and stuff. when you contract the muscle it hardens and bulges ie what you refer to as 'popping'. :D
anyway, as a muscle develops and your neurology becomes more efficient you gain more control over your muscles and can contract them and relax them at will. :D
now here's the hard bit for you to understand :( : it doesn't actually matter how the muscle develops ie hormone manipulation, weight training, etc, as long as the muscle is conditioned, there is a certain degree of neurological control attained by the owner and there isn't fat and water blurring it's definition, you will see that muscle 'pop' out exactly the same way every time. ;)
how long you been bodybuilding again, coach? :-[
Oh my God you're dumb as fucking door knob...........I can't take it anymore, I'm seriously dealing with total imbeciles on here. I got MUv on here who talks shit and says he'll be at the show and I'll bet anything this guy won't have the balls to come and actually talk shit to my face, then there's you who would thinks he knows what hell he's talking about trying to give me a laymen physiology lesson when that's not what I'm even talking about. Let me make it clear and take a look at some pics before insulin and after insulin. I can't make it any clearer...........I give up, please pick up a book, research on the web, go back to school...fuck whatever, but please just learn something before you call someone out and call them names........fuck, you hide behind your computer for Gods sake and talk shit.............shut up please!!
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yeah, but isn't it sad when a guy who does a completely different sport to you knows more about your sport than you do? ;D
doesn't take much, just some common dog fuck really.
let me see if i can explain it in simple terminology so even a meat head like you can understand.
muscle is that stuff that connects to the joints and helps you move around and stuff. when you contract the muscle it hardens and bulges ie what you refer to as 'popping'. :D
anyway, as a muscle develops and your neurology becomes more efficient you gain more control over your muscles and can contract them and relax them at will. :D
now here's the hard bit for you to understand :( : it doesn't actually matter how the muscle develops ie hormone manipulation, weight training, etc, as long as the muscle is conditioned, there is a certain degree of neurological control attained by the owner and there isn't fat and water blurring it's definition, you will see that muscle 'pop' out exactly the same way every time. ;)
how long you been bodybuilding again, coach? :-[
Funny because we were just talking about this sort of thing last night with Kamali (not specifically "pop", but along those lines). I guess Milos observed that Kamali had awesome control over his chest muscles (they did chest earlier in the day) and they got really, really hard when he flexed. And at the same time Milos was saying Yates had mushy muscles -- even though they were huge.
It's kind of odd as to who has the solid muscle and who doesn't. My friend Owen is the same as Dorian - big muscles but mushy. Mine are smaller but rock hard. I wonder if it's just genetic...or maybe due to practice. I was also thinking it might be because Dorian has better genetics so doesn't have to really contract all that much to grow, so never had to learn to fully contract. Whereas Kamali doesn't have the genetic gifts Dorian had and so to overcome that shortcoming, he had to learn how to fully contract.
Dunno -- all speculation on my part. Just kind of interesting.
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Milos, im waiting for the code so i can order? i already registered but i am still waiting to the code for 50 percent off. As soon as i get the product, i will write my own review on it. i have tried 9 different pre workout formulas and my last being "vapor" from muscletech. i had no shotgun as my best, but my body got quickly used to it and in a matter of 4 days i wasnt feeling anything anymore. I liked "vapor" by muscletech and so far it is the only pre-workout drink that i have not had to use 3 scoops of it in order to get a pump (im 6'0 230lbs). Gasparis superpump 25 was great,but i had to increase the dosage which in turn was hurting my kidneys tremendously. (lower back disconfort). Cellucor's M5 was awesome, but when i had abnormal heart palpitations throughout the day even if i was not working so. As soon as i stopped it, i had no more issues with my heart. i am not a muscletech fan at all, but it is the only preworkout drink that has not messed with my heart or kidneys (even drinking 2 servings at once).
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Milos, im waiting for the code so i can order? i already registered but i am still waiting to the code for 50 percent off. As soon as i get the product, i will write my own review on it. i have tried 9 different pre workout formulas and my last being "vapor" from muscletech. i had no shotgun as my best, but my body got quickly used to it and in a matter of 4 days i wasnt feeling anything anymore. I liked "vapor" by muscletech and so far it is the only pre-workout drink that i have not had to use 3 scoops of it in order to get a pump (im 6'0 230lbs). Gasparis superpump 25 was great,but i had to increase the dosage which in turn was hurting my kidneys tremendously. (lower back disconfort). Cellucor's M5 was awesome, but when i had abnormal heart palpitations throughout the day even if i was not working so. As soon as i stopped it, i had no more issues with my heart. i am not a muscletech fan at all, but it is the only preworkout drink that has not messed with my heart or kidneys (even drinking 2 servings at once).
Did you not get the email? It might have gotten spam-canned...just go back to koloseum.com/store and log in (or register) and you'll get the discount. The only people who are not getting it are people who registered before the special.
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no it wasn in my spam and i did register this morning..nothing yet..just waiting to order it
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Gaerreth, whoever you are, realize that you're not actually winning anything here. I've asked a question to which you've just used politician-like weasling to escape real answers (not that you're in any position to do so, but since you're defending these products instead of Milos, you're fair game and will illustrate my points clearly).
But really, who are you to defend Milos' products? Some sort of a rep for his company? My, that'd make you a real non-partisan voice of reason, wouldn't it....? ;D
The only thing you've done is further bolster the fact that the supplement industry is lucrative but corrupt.
Ask Gaspari, MetRX, and Muscletech to provide "trade secrets"??...man you're just NOT smart. I'm asking for VERIFICATION of label claims, dude! Every friggin' can of Coke has an FDA LEGALLY stated endorsement that ensures you're ACTUALLY getting what's on the label...do I know (or care?) what proportions of ingredients go into a can of coke?...of course not! But I do want to know that someone is out there protecting the public from companies that don't care enough about the health of their customers...but since they realize a lot of supplement buyers are destroying their health via other chemical means, the quality of their supplements is really a drop in the bucket.
You go find me ONE major supp company that has third party testing of the contents of their products...what's that?...the sound of crickets chirping???....that's right, NOT ONE. That's because the supplement industry (God, I've said this so many times yet you still miss the point) is UNREGULATED and that's why I'd like a little more proof as to the content claims on Milos' products.
By your "reasoning", just cause the big league guys don't do it, a small upstart company shouldn't have to either? They're ALL wrong, and in fact you haven't got one fucking leg to stand on when I say you CAN'T PROVE that what's on the label of ANY supplement is actually IN the bottle!
But whatever..in your ignorance, some people with actual brains in their heads (not Koloseum advert banners in their signature blocks) will have read my points and will make eductated choices in their supplement purchases...if indeed they can justify the point to even do so.
You know what I can rely on (for a legal FACT) that has the protein in it that I want?....FOOD. Real food. The kind you buy in a grocery store that has passed FDA testing. And it's never failed me ONCE...and if it WAS proven that there was something in there that shouldn't have been, the full force of the legal system can be (and has been!) brought to bear against the violators. And that means something...but who knows with some supplement companies? Who's going to care if your last batch of protein powder contained 15% drywall powder? Nobody will care because it's BUYER BEWARE...and you'll just blame your "lousy genetics" for your lack of gains and switch to another company which has no more responsibility to telling the truth than the LAST snake oil salesmen. Get the picture?
Go ahead and buy your whatever protein powders from whoever you want. I hope you also enjoy some of the broken glass, traces of feces and other fun stuff that tagged along for the ride during the unregulated and unenforced process of production and packaging. You think that bad bout of gas came from the aminos?...think again, Potsie :o
If you really wanted to see real bodybuilders getting some high quality supplements, you'd ask for the same damn information I am. Instead, you're just a corporate whore who is either in denial, naive, ignorant or just plain stupid...most likely, a little bit of each....obviously some more than others.
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Arginine IS an amino acid.
But I didn't know it had creatine in it.
Neither did I.
Count me out, Creatine of any kind bloats me like a mofo. Not the look I'm going for
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i just logged on again on milo's website and tried to order it but it is still charging me the full purchase price.. i give up
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Gaerreth, whoever you are, realize that you're not actually winning anything here. I've asked a question to which you've just used politician-like weasling to escape real answers (not that you're in any position to do so, but since you're defending these products instead of Milos, you're fair game and will illustrate my points clearly).
But really, who are you to defend Milos' products? Some sort of a rep for his company? My, that'd make you a real non-partisan voice of reason, wouldn't it....? ;D
The only thing you've done is further bolster the fact that the supplement industry is lucrative but corrupt.
Ask Gaspari, MetRX, and Muscletech to provide "trade secrets"??...man you're just NOT smart. I'm asking for VERIFICATION of label claims, dude! Every friggin' can of Coke has an FDA LEGALLY stated endorsement that ensures you're ACTUALLY getting what's on the label...do I know (or care?) what proportions of ingredients go into a can of coke?...of course not! But I do want to know that someone is out there protecting the public from companies that don't care enough about the health of their customers...but since they realize a lot of supplement buyers are destroying their health via other chemical means, the quality of their supplements is really a drop in the bucket.
You go find me ONE major supp company that has third party testing of the contents of their products...what's that?...the sound of crickets chirping???....that's right, NOT ONE. That's because the supplement industry (God, I've said this so many times yet you still miss the point) is UNREGULATED and that's why I'd like a little more proof as to the content claims on Milos' products.
By your "reasoning", just cause the big league guys don't do it, a small upstart company shouldn't have to either? They're ALL wrong, and in fact you haven't got one fucking leg to stand on when I say you CAN'T PROVE that what's on the label of ANY supplement is actually IN the bottle!
But whatever..in your ignorance, some people with actual brains in their heads (not Koloseum advert banners in their signature blocks) will have read my points and will make eductated choices in their supplement purchases...if indeed they can justify the point to even do so.
You know what I can rely on (for a legal FACT) that has the protein in it that I want?....FOOD. Real food. The kind you buy in a grocery store that has passed FDA testing. And it's never failed me ONCE...and if it WAS proven that there was something in there that shouldn't have been, the full force of the legal system can be (and has been!) brought to bear against the violators. And that means something...but who knows with some supplement companies? Who's going to care if your last batch of protein powder contained 15% drywall powder? Nobody will care because it's BUYER BEWARE...and you'll just blame your "lousy genetics" for your lack of gains and switch to another company which has no more responsibility to telling the truth than the LAST snake oil salesmen. Get the picture?
Go ahead and buy your whatever protein powders from whoever you want. I hope you also enjoy some of the broken glass, traces of feces and other fun stuff that tagged along for the ride during the unregulated and unenforced process of production and packaging. You think that bad bout of gas came from the aminos?...think again, Potsie :o
If you really wanted to see real bodybuilders getting some high quality supplements, you'd ask for the same damn information I am. Instead, you're just a corporate whore who is either in denial, naive, ignorant or just plain stupid...most likely, a little bit of each....obviously some more than others.
This is bullshit. It's been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that MuscleTech causes 1197.38575959% muscle growth and we all know this is true cause we see a scientist wearing a lab coat standing next to a bodybuilder who uses the products and says so, in every one of their ads
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you know what coach, I might actually come to that show 100% now and i MIGHT even just take you out to dinner. our conversation probably wont be the same as it is on here but my poitns are going to be the same.
i dont know where the show is exactly i know Culver City I think I went t here once for the jr cal a few years ago? if so thats pretty far i hope its closer because i dont want to drive 3 hrs and then be too tired and stay the night at a hotel because the womens categories take for fuckin ever.
if it really is that far pardon me for not wanting to drive for a total of 6 hrs and spend a 100+ dollars in gas probably another 100 dollars for a hotel and another 100 dollars on dinner. ::) just to meet ur midget ass and listen to u talk nonsense in real life.
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id rather spend that money on milos shakes and insulin ;D bwhahaha!!!
If you want to talk or go to dinner and have a civil conversation about BBing I have no problem with that. I try to be civil with everyone on here but there are so many shittalkers who talk crap on here then when you meet them they have a different attitude. I have met alot of board members on here who I have either met or helped and all have been cool. It's the two faced ones I have a problem with.
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milos, im still waiting to hear from you... i have not received the code in my email..
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Oh my God you're dumb as fucking door knob...........I can't take it anymore, I'm seriously dealing with total imbeciles on here. I got xyuz on here who talks shit and says he'll be at the show and I'll bet anything this guy won't have the balls to come and actually talk shit to my face, then there's you who would thinks he knows what hell he's talking about trying to give me a laymen physiology lesson when that's not what I'm even talking about. Let me make it clear and take a look at some pics before insulin and after insulin. I can't make it any clearer...........I give up, please pick up a book, research on the web, go back to school...fuck whatever, but please just learn something before you call someone out and call them names........fuck, you hide behind your computer for Gods sake and talk shit.............shut up please!!
midget meltdown. ;D let me translate your key board bashing jibberish. you have no idea how insulin affects the musculoskeletal system and you're ashamed of your stupidity and being exposed as a fraud. now you want to apologise to me.
don't apologise to me joe. apologise to the unfortunate and misguided clients you've defrauded. maybe it would be christian of you to return their money now. ;)
can't wait to see your competition pics joe.
now, by your reckoning, your muscles should be 'popping' better than ronnie coleman's pre 2006, right?
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This is bullshit. It's been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that MuscleTech causes 1197.38575959% muscle growth and we all know this is true cause we see a scientist wearing a lab coat standing next to a bodybuilder who uses the products and says so, in every one of their ads
But of course...who can deny lab coats?
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But of course...who can deny lab coats?
They don't give lab coats to just anyone.
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If you want to talk or go to dinner and have a civil conversation about BBing I have no problem with that. I try to be civil with everyone on here but there are so many shittalkers who talk crap on here then when you meet them they have a different attitude. I have met alot of board members on here who I have either met or helped and all have been cool. It's the two faced ones I have a problem with.
I'll come too.....
but only if you bring the pegster along
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Gaerreth, whoever you are, realize that you're not actually winning anything here. I've asked a question to which you've just used politician-like weasling to escape real answers (not that you're in any position to do so, but since you're defending these products instead of Milos, you're fair game and will illustrate my points clearly).
But really, who are you to defend Milos' products? Some sort of a rep for his company? My, that'd make you a real non-partisan voice of reason, wouldn't it....? ;D
The only thing you've done is further bolster the fact that the supplement industry is lucrative but corrupt.
Ask Gaspari, MetRX, and Muscletech to provide "trade secrets"??...man you're just NOT smart. I'm asking for VERIFICATION of label claims, dude! Every friggin' can of Coke has an FDA LEGALLY stated endorsement that ensures you're ACTUALLY getting what's on the label...do I know (or care?) what proportions of ingredients go into a can of coke?...of course not! But I do want to know that someone is out there protecting the public from companies that don't care enough about the health of their customers...but since they realize a lot of supplement buyers are destroying their health via other chemical means, the quality of their supplements is really a drop in the bucket.
You go find me ONE major supp company that has third party testing of the contents of their products...what's that?...the sound of crickets chirping???....that's right, NOT ONE. That's because the supplement industry (God, I've said this so many times yet you still miss the point) is UNREGULATED and that's why I'd like a little more proof as to the content claims on Milos' products.
By your "reasoning", just cause the big league guys don't do it, a small upstart company shouldn't have to either? They're ALL wrong, and in fact you haven't got one fucking leg to stand on when I say you CAN'T PROVE that what's on the label of ANY supplement is actually IN the bottle!
But whatever..in your ignorance, some people with actual brains in their heads (not Koloseum advert banners in their signature blocks) will have read my points and will make eductated choices in their supplement purchases...if indeed they can justify the point to even do so.
You know what I can rely on (for a legal FACT) that has the protein in it that I want?....FOOD. Real food. The kind you buy in a grocery store that has passed FDA testing. And it's never failed me ONCE...and if it WAS proven that there was something in there that shouldn't have been, the full force of the legal system can be (and has been!) brought to bear against the violators. And that means something...but who knows with some supplement companies? Who's going to care if your last batch of protein powder contained 15% drywall powder? Nobody will care because it's BUYER BEWARE...and you'll just blame your "lousy genetics" for your lack of gains and switch to another company which has no more responsibility to telling the truth than the LAST snake oil salesmen. Get the picture?
Go ahead and buy your whatever protein powders from whoever you want. I hope you also enjoy some of the broken glass, traces of feces and other fun stuff that tagged along for the ride during the unregulated and unenforced process of production and packaging. You think that bad bout of gas came from the aminos?...think again, Potsie :o
If you really wanted to see real bodybuilders getting some high quality supplements, you'd ask for the same damn information I am. Instead, you're just a corporate whore who is either in denial, naive, ignorant or just plain stupid...most likely, a little bit of each....obviously some more than others.
Do I dare say: windbag?
I'm wasting too much time as it is. I already made my point. Beast8692 understood it, why can you not?
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Nope...that's correct. Kamali had hard chest muscles, Yates did not. Confirm with Milos.
So...you're saying that Mishko walks around & touches other body builders ::)
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So...you're saying that Mishko walks around & touches other body builders ::)
Does this surprise you? ::)
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Does this surprise you? ::)
well...not really
They're paying Mishko for his services....I guess thats part of the Snake oil/ training/ G4P package.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some snake oil deep muscle massage going on
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They're paying Mishko for his services....I guess thats part of the Snake oil/ training/ G4P package.
I wonder if that includes 'slin and AAS, or it's BYO? Garraeth?
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I wonder if that includes 'slin and AAS, or it's BYO? Garraeth?
Well...Mishko does have this theory about the amount of protein packed in seemen.
Especially when you take snake oil 30-45 minutes to load the testes
Garrath has been on this now for 2 months
Just LOOK at the improvements
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Do I dare say: windbag?
I'm wasting too much time as it is. I already made my point. Beast8692 understood it, why can you not?
You had a point? ::)
I don't even know why you bothered replying with your snide little comments, other than to show your corporate whore tendencies.
Enjoy your paint-chip laden supplements, G!
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Hey Milos,
I got my Warrior Promo Pack on Monday...your products taste awesome! Very easy to drink during training and the PUMP IS INSANE!!!
Thanks!!!!