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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
You tell us, Dis.....
But yeah, those guys looked fucking awesome then.
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GENETICS 1ST, DRUGS 2ND, DIET 3RD.
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Moderate use of drugs, Only him and his Doctor know.
And the best genetics for a White man ever.Imagine him on a modern Drug regiem he be cut 300 pounds.
Genetics,Genetics,Genetics as simple as that.
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You tell us, Dis.....
But yeah, those guys looked fucking awesome then.
I'll give you my opinion, just hoping to hear more from other guys first. ;D
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Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from.
Dianabol, test esters. what else do you need?
Was it diet?
protein. what else do you need?
Was it supplements?
none that worked (just like today)
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I think its a combination of things Arnold trained very hard no doubt
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Dianabol, test esters. what else do you need?
protein. what else do you need?
none that worked (just like today)
I could add to this, but certainly can't disagree. ;D
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
D Ball, Test, Winny,PCT nada (u just chanced getting tits and crashing was a given) GENETICS, and those fuckers weren't no where near the size of bbers after the Dorian reformation. I'm sure spiderman will chime as he is stuck in that era.
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
I read an article about pete gymnowsky in musclemag that he claimed to train from 11-12 in the night till 5-6 in the morning...and he also claimed to take a whole lot of drugs avilable at the time like anavar,etc
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Have heard (and you know how reliable that can be) that Ahnold poped dbols like tic tacs, and remember, Franco had real bad gyno for awhile, so the drug thing was probly more severe than anyone knows.
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Have heard (and you know how reliable that can be) that Ahnold poped dbols like tic tacs, and remember, Franco had real bad gyno for awhile, so the drug thing was probly more severe than anyone knows.
Interesting observation.Drug Abuse in the 70s more imformation needed.
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Man, Arnold paved the way.
I think it had to do with keeping it basic, the basic training, the basic eating, the basic drugs.
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whatever Arnold and franco took, millions of lifters took tons more and never looked good.
Arnold trained all out, 2hrs. twice a day. i doubt any of us on here could have kept up with him for a single week.
his drive was the key to his bodybuilding success, his movie success, his financial success and now his political success.
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He trained with a reptilian overlord. And now he gets us ready for 2012.
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Have heard (and you know how reliable that can be) that Ahnold poped dbols like tic tacs, and remember, Franco had real bad gyno for awhile, so the drug thing was probly more severe than anyone knows.
Arnold was taking Dbol by the handfuls, since he was 16, year round, according to Rick Wayne who said he saw it first hand and Arnold confirmed it to him.
whatever Arnold and franco took, millions of lifters took tons more and never looked good.
Arnold trained all out, 2hrs. twice a day. i doubt any of us on here could have kept up with him for a single week.
Very few, if any, BBers took as much Dbol as Arnold.
Arnold NEVER train 2 hours twice a day. He trained once a day for 1.5 to 2 hours off season.
Contest prep he trained 1.5 hours in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon/evening.
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Contest prep he trained 1.5 hours in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon/evening.
Word is you could set a clock by how punctual he was. 1:30:00 into a workout, he'd drop whatever he was doing and sprint out of the gym for 1.28 hours of tanning.
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Arnold trained all out, 2hrs. twice a day. i doubt any of us on here could have kept up with him for a single week.
Hard to know for sure, alot of it seems to be revisionist history propogated by groupies like this guy. Check the Pumping Iron footage and finally take notice that it's guys like Corney and Ferrigno that were training hard and providing most of the inspiring footage, not Schwarzenegger.
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Arnold was taking Dbol by the handfuls, since he was 16, year round, according to Rick Wayne who said he saw it first hand and Arnold confirmed it to him.
Very few, if any, BBers took as much Dbol as Arnold.
Arnold NEVER train 2 hours twice a day. He trained once a day for 1.5 to 2 hours off season.
Contest prep he trained 1.5 hours in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon/evening.
All of this is correct IMO. All the rest is revisionism; the twice a day workouts were pre-contest.
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Word is you could set a clock by how punctual he was. 1:30:00 into a workout, he'd drop whatever he was doing and sprint out of the gym for 1.28 hours of tanning.
lol ya he had a tough life living there on the beach no doubt about it. 8)
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Ok I don't claim to know exactly what these guys did, but I have talked to some guys, one who knew Arnold and another that knew Sergio. From what I was told these guys did a lot of orals. Test wasn't used all that much or at all back in the 70's It was considered a dirty drug. Remember that steroids were still kinda knew and were looked upon as something that took that place of test without all the bad side effects.
Dbol, anavar, drol and some deca and Primo. Winny to a degree also. I think that doses were fairly high. I know Sergio liked dbol, deca and winny, no test. For his comeback in 1984 he added test and tren and he had a different look, one that I personally did not like. I don't think that Franco had gyno untill his comeback in 1981.
Diet was simple, they ate roughly 4 times daily and like Tim said protein was first priority then carbs and fat. It was simple eating of good food.
They spent hours in the gym and why not? it was their job basically. I personally don't believe in over training. Things today are made way too complicated and they certainly don't need to be. Personally this is fine by me. I know that it is nearly impossible to convince these guys today otherwise. Yes genetics play a part, but today you have many guys with bad genetics who turn pro simply because they force their body to gow thru extreme drug use.
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He drank a lot of whiskey and smoked a lot of weed and ate whatever the hell he wanted. Bodybuilders are just too health conscious these days. They crippled by analysis paralysis. Relax and live a little and you'll grow better. ;D
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Been said by TF. They took plenty of drugs back then, plenty. They ate huge amounts of protein: lots of steak and 12 egg omelettes. They didn't mess around with crap like super plasma, pulltate expanders and power surge matrix digestion ergonomic powder.
The physiques changed when GH arrived on the scene. GH and insulin have destroyed the physiques totally.
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Arnold was taking Dbol by the handfuls, since he was 16, year round, according to Rick Wayne who said he saw it first hand and Arnold confirmed it to him.
Rick Wayne said Arnold told him he started taking steroids at 13, I think it was. Guys today wait too long to jump on the sauce. :D
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Rick Wayne said Arnold told him he started taking steroids at 13, I think it was. Guys today wait too long to jump on the sauce. :D
Wrong bro. Any kid who goes to McDonalds is getting plenty of trenbolone. Fact, sad, but fact.
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Rick Wayne said Arnold told him he started taking steroids at 13, I think it was. Guys today wait too long to jump on the sauce. :D
Youre a funny guy ;D
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Wrong bro. Any kid who goes to McDonalds is getting plenty of trenbolone. Fact, sad, but fact.
How much is "plenty"?
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Youre a funny guy ;D
Look at the fantastic Ironage bodies we all admire. Most of them started juicing in their teens. Arnold, Viator, Mentzer, etc etc. Is there a connection here? Even Joeloco started at 15 years old and built a fantastic physique, still going strong too.
You should build a strong steroid foundation early on. Today kids cram Cell-Tech instead and just get fat. :D
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Ok I don't claim to know exactly what these guys did, but I have talked to some guys, one who knew Arnold and another that knew Sergio. From what I was told these guys did a lot of orals. Test wasn't used all that much or at all back in the 70's It was considered a dirty drug. Remember that steroids were still kinda knew and were looked upon as something that took that place of test without all the bad side effects.
Dbol, anavar, drol and some deca and Primo. Winny to a degree also. I think that doses were fairly high. I know Sergio liked dbol, deca and winny, no test. For his comeback in 1984 he added test and tren and he had a different look, one that I personally did not like. I don't think that Franco had gyno untill his comeback in 1981.
i was reading another thread (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=196269.0) and they said deca, with no test, shuts down ur sperm productiom for a long time. i've also heard forever. is this true? if so, how could arnold and sergio have kids?
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i was reading another thread (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=196269.0) and they said deca, with no test, shuts down ur sperm productiom for a long time. i've also heard forever. is this true? if so, how could arnold and sergio have kids?
Not true. Obviously ;)
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How much is "plenty"?
All I can tell is that I definitely noticed I grew better years ago natural when I ate a couple of pounds of red meat a day. Thought is was because red meat was better protein and I think it is but not that much. ;D
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Been said by TF. They took plenty of drugs back then, plenty. They ate huge amounts of protein: lots of steak and 12 egg omelettes. They didn't mess around with crap like super plasma, pulltate expanders and power surge matrix digestion ergonomic powder.
The physiques changed when GH arrived on the scene. GH and insulin have destroyed the physiques totally.
Quoted for Truth. The damage to physiques has completely outweighed any benefits.
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i dont know what planet you lve on friends,,gh15 came here how long ago? 2 years? i thought by now youll get wize,,this is the only diff they had in the 60s 70s
LEGIT HUMAN GRADE AAS,,DURETICS,,SPEED AND OTHER NARCTOCS AND FAT BURNERS TO CUT,,
THAT IS IT,,NO GROWTH AT ALL DURING 60S 70S,, NO INULSIN WITH MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDERS AT THE TIME,,
TEST WAS USED BUT INSTED OF PUTTING UNDERGROUND GARBAGE AT 5 GRAMS A WEKK AND GET OUT OF IT 500MG OF DIRTY UNPURE UNDTERILE POWDER....THEY GOT A GOOD 500-1000MG OR REAL PHARMA HUMAN GRADE TEST OR VET PRODUCTS A LITTLE LATER ON FROM MEXICO WHICH WAS GOOD TOO,,
THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF ,,
BY THE WAY THE DURETICS ARE THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE DRY WAHBOARD ABDOMINALS AND OVER ALL LOOK ,,,DONT LET ANY OTHER MORON TELL YOU OTHER WAY,,
IM QUITE DISSAPOINTED IN THE LACK OF UNDERSTAND OF BODYBUILDING IN THIS THREAD
HUMAN GRADE AAS + DURETICS + SPECIFIC NARCOTICS (EVERYTHING NONE CONTROLLED YET) = 60S 70S
ANY UNDERGROUJD GARBAGE / HUMAN GRADE AAS + HGH + INSULIN + FAT BURBERS +DURETICS+ NARCOTICS = MID 90S 2000S
THATS IT,,FOOD ALWAYS THE SAME ,,TRAINING ALWAYS THE SAME,,PUSSY IS ALWAYS PUSSY ,,BODYBUILDER IS ALWAYS BODYBUILDER,,YOUR BODY IS ALL WATER AND YOU ALWAYS DEVELOP THE SAME AND GENETICS MEANS NOTHING ,,YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE SHIRTS WITH THE SAYING FUCK GENETIS BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE OLYMPUS AS IN MY LEVEL OF COMPETITION
GURUS ::)
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i dont know what planet you lve on friends,,gh15 came here how long ago? 2 years? i thought by now youll get wize,,this is the only diff they had in the 60s 70s
LEGIT HUMAN GRADE AAS,,DURETICS,,SPEED AND OTHER NARCTOCS AND FAT BURNERS TO CUT,,
THAT IS IT,,NO GROWTH AT ALL DURING 60S 70S,, NO INULSIN WITH MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDERS AT THE TIME,,
TEST WAS USED BUT INSTED OF PUTTING UNDERGROUND GARBAGE AT 5 GRAMS A WEKK AND GET OUT OF IT 500MG OF DIRTY UNPURE UNDTERILE POWDER....THEY GOT A GOOD 500-1000MG OR REAL PHARMA HUMAN GRADE TEST OR VET PRODUCTS A LITTLE LATER ON FROM MEXICO WHICH WAS GOOD TOO,,
THIS IS THE ONLY DIFF ,,
BY THE WAY THE DURETICS ARE THE ONLY PRODUCTS THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE DRY WAHBOARD ABDOMINALS AND OVER ALL LOOK ,,,DONT LET ANY OTHER MORON TELL YOU OTHER WAY,,
IM QUITE DISSAPOINTED IN THE LACK OF UNDERSTAND OF BODYBUILDING IN THIS THREAD
HUMAN GRADE AAS + DURETICS + SPECIFIC NARCOTICS (EVERYTHING NONE CONTROLLED YET) = 60S 70S
ANY UNDERGROUJD GARBAGE / HUMAN GRADE AAS + HGH + INSULIN + FAT BURBERS +DURETICS+ NARCOTICS = MID 90S 2000S
THATS IT,,FOOD ALWAYS THE SAME ,,TRAINING ALWAYS THE SAME,,PUSSY IS ALWAYS PUSSY ,,BODYBUILDER IS ALWAYS BODYBUILDER,,YOUR BODY IS ALL WATER AND YOU ALWAYS DEVELOP THE SAME AND GENETICS MEANS NOTHING ,,YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE SHIRTS WITH THE SAYING FUCK GENETIS BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES NOTHING UNLESS YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE OLYMPUS AS IN MY LEVEL OF COMPETITION
GURUS ::)
Test WAS NOT being used in the 70's! I trained with a guy in the mid 80's who was a top AAU guy and he was also good friends with Jeff King and even though these were using some test they realied more on dbol, drol, EQ and winny and a lot of it. I shouldn't say this, but Haney used to buy boatloads of EQ from a guy I knew. It was one of his fav drugs and back then it came in 50mg per ml. I also know what Rich Gaspari took precontest for a fact and test was not even in the mix!!! BTW, diuretics don't give someone wash board abs.
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Arnold was strong, 2 and 3 plate a side barbell rows, 600lb+ deadlifts, 60lb db curls. So I say combination of genetics, intense training and massive eating! And steroids when dieting
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Test WAS NOT being used in the 70's! I trained with a guy in the mid 80's who was a top AAU guy and he was also good friends with Jeff King and even though these were using some test they realied more on dbol, drol, EQ and winny and a lot of it. I shouldn't say this, but Haney used to buy boatloads of EQ from a guy I knew. It was one of his fav drugs and back then it came in 50mg per ml. I also know what Rich Gaspari took precontest for a fact and test was not even in the mix!!! BTW, diuretics don't give someone wash board abs.
test was used in the 70s
duretics will result in dry physiqe and with it come washboard abdominals
what haney use doesnt intereest my left ball,,im tellin you what it takes to stand on o stage or in a fitnes magazine as of 2000 and in the 70s it was exact same thing with the differences i mentioned in the post,,no need to argue about it because 70s comeptitors used testosterone
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test was used in the 70s
duretics will result in dry physiqe and with it come washboard abdominals
what haney use doesnt intereest my left ball,,im tellin you what it takes to stand on o stage or in a fitnes magazine as of 2000 and in the 70s it was exact same thing with the differences i mentioned in the post,,no need to argue about it because 70s comeptitors used testosterone
No aurgment here, you're just wrong. ;)
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GH15 is law and law is GH15. :D
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Arnold was strong, 2 and 3 plate a side barbell rows, 600lb+ deadlifts, 60lb db curls. So I say combination of genetics, intense training and massive eating! And steroids when dieting
NO! aas all the time,,,with breaks yes but majority of the year ,,,especiually when competetive,,GENETICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,,the eating was good but today you have exact same food and we eat same
the only thing you need to read from all of this thread is the first post gh15 wrote here,,that is THE ONLY DIFF
i swear bodybuilders are either out of it or simply like to lie to themselves,,there is no argue with what i say ,,i been through the arnold stage i looked better than arnold ,,i know what it takes for those levels and its defenitely no guru that train me to get there,,advices are all welcome but its like the president the decidsion is yours to make ,,,and if you dont experiemtmt yourself on yuor own body and listen to much to people you will never get to the top of the mountain
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You looked better than Arnold? According to who? :P
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Another thing that you guys need to remember is that these guys only competed once a year and did not walk around at 300 pounds of bloated fun in the offseason. In fact, they shrunk down pretty good. Show me one picture of Arnold, Robbie, Franco or Zane big and bloated in the offseason.
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looked better than arnold? in my dreams maybe,, all i said is that i been at that level of development,,i never looked even half as good as arnold,,arnold and ron colman were 2 uniqe individuals among bodybuilders in the last century,,arnold now days would still win the o with the drugs available and ron colman ..no one will ever surpass him he is the absolut best bodybuilding will ever have to offer,,,from now on its only down grade size and trying to bring better condition which wil be very hard becausse ron had both
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The physiques changed when GH arrived on the scene. GH and insulin have destroyed the physiques totally.
They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.
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They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.
end of 70s begginign of 80a they tried and arnold did experiemtn with the old ussr gh which was basically taken and made out of dead people,,it was good gh but nothing to wrtie home about comparing to todays doses and quality,,in the 70s it was minut but in the 80s it was used more and in the 90s the gh you know today came to the marketand took the lace in the masses of bodybuilders and later closer to 2000s the china garbage came along and fucked the american drug industry so deep in the ass that now the poor americans all pay th eprice becausse number of their stupid suppliers got greedy and didnt work with the goverment but againt it,,
guess who suffer? americans!
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
They did everything exactly the same and just took less drugs. Come on, you or all people definitely know this. :)
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They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
I also read on ironage that arnold took ALOT of test. And I think the general consensus is tonnes of dbol and some deca/primo/whatever else they could get.
You know it's sad that you believe in fairy tales. first of all, have you ever seen what someone looks like on 1000mgs a week of "REAL" test. A bloated mess. The water retention is there even with a good diet. Think logical man. Arnold started his precontest bout 4 months out. What you saw was a steady growth of muscle not a ton a water weight. Again, someone who is on a lot of test has a certain look to them. Arnold NEVER showed any of these signs. As far as GH goes, you say they had it so why don't you tell us the brand name and or a little background on how it was synthesized.
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They did everything exactly the same and just took less drugs. Come on, you or all people definitely know this. :)
Matt I thought you were smarter than that. READ my posts and you will see major differences.
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You know it's sad that you believe in fairy tales. first of all, have you ever seen what someone looks like on 1000mgs a week of "REAL" test. A bloated mess. The water retention is there even with a good diet. Think logical man. Arnold started his precontest bout 4 months out. What you saw was a steady growth of muscle not a ton a water weight. Again, someone who is on a lot of test has a certain look to them. Arnold NEVER showed any of these signs. As far as GH goes, you say they had it so why don't you tell us the brand name and or a little background on how it was synthesized.
LOL, don't cruxify me dude. I'm just saying what I've read.
The GH in the late 70's was from corpses, as gh15 posted a couple spots after; and I read that Arnold and Franco were some of the first to start experimenting with it.
Arnold said many times that his steroid use was monitored by doctors, maybe they had him on prop at what was THEN considered a huge dose? I don't know, just speculating.
Also, Arnold was known for fucking everything that moves, do you think he's really be that horny all the time taking deca without any test?
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Another thing that you guys need to remember is that these guys only competed once a year and did not walk around at 300 pounds of bloated fun in the offseason.
top amateur and pros today only compete once or twice a year.
back then, the top amateurs would try to win all four major shows (Jr USA, Jr Am, USA, Am), then go on to the Worlds.
In the 80s, it was not unusual for IFBB pros to enter 6-10 shows a year.
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The GH in the late 70's was from corpses, as gh15 posted a couple spots after; and I read that Arnold and Franco were some of the first to start experimenting with it.
Out of interest where did you read about it? Not doubting it but this is new information to me that GH was widely being used in the 70s and early 80s.
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top amateur and pros today only compete once or twice a year.
back then, the top amateurs would try to win all four major shows (Jr USA, Jr Am, USA, Am), then go on to the Worlds.
In the 80s, it was not unusual for IFBB pros to enter 6-10 shows a year.
I think what he's saying is that Pro's from the 70's "grew into" their contest shape, whereas the new trend is to be massive and slim down.
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Out of interest where did you read about it? Not doubting it but this is new information to me that GH was widely being used in the 70s and early 80s.
Read it on ironage.us; and again I know that you can't really believe what you read on message boards but some of those guys do seam to have first hand experience or have witnessed the actual event.
edit: sorry, i forgot to mention that I read the new thing back then was "monkey growth hormone" but I think i also heard that ended up being a bust.
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LOL, don't cruxify me dude. I'm just saying what I've read.
The GH in the late 70's was from corpses, as gh15 posted a couple spots after; and I read that Arnold and Franco were some of the first to start experimenting with it.
Arnold said many times that his steroid use was monitored by doctors, maybe they had him on prop at what was THEN considered a huge dose? I don't know, just speculating.
Also, Arnold was known for fucking everything that moves, do you think he's really be that horny all the time taking deca without any test?
Am I gong to have to give you some flowers too. ;D OK, I have a friend who used to take tons of shit. Everything he could get his hands on. He never had a problem with sex drive. He was always baggin some girl whether he was on or not. Some guys are jsut like that.
The closest we are ever going to know for sure what Arnold did is to either talk to him or someone he knows. I have done the second. A far as Sergio goes, I have a friend who knows him well enough for Sergio to tell him what he took back in the 70's. Like I said in a previous post, it did not include test. During his comeback he did use tren and test. He admitted to this and coincidently a guy that used to post here who knew sergio said the same EXACT thing. As far as the GH goes we can only guess at best whether Arnold used it. Even if they did and I'm betting they didn't it had little or no effect on muscle growth.
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They had GH in the 70's and 80's. They just used much lower doses compared to the monsters of today.
GH from adolescent cadavers was very difficult to get and very expensive. A top pro might find enough to do a few IU for a few weeks, hardly enough to even notice.
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top amateur and pros today only compete once or twice a year.
back then, the top amateurs would try to win all four major shows (Jr USA, Jr Am, USA, Am), then go on to the Worlds.
In the 80s, it was not unusual for IFBB pros to enter 6-10 shows a year.
I was speaking of Arnold, Zane, Robbie ect. in the 70's
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Am I gong to have to give you some flowers too. ;D OK, I have a friend who used to take tons of shit. Everything he could get his hands on. He never had a problem with sex drive. He was always baggin some girl whether he was on or not. Some guys are jsut like that.
The closest we are ever going to know for sure what Arnold did is to either talk to him or someone he knows. I have done the second. A far as Sergio goes, I have a friend who knows him well enough for Sergio to tell him what he took back in the 70's. Like I said in a previous post, it did not include test. During his comeback he did use tren and test. He admitted to this and coincidently a guy that used to post here who knew sergio said the same EXACT thing. As far as the GH goes we can only guess at best whether Arnold used it. Even if they did and I'm betting they didn't it had little or no effect on muscle growth.
LOL, no need for flowers :D. It's just the internet and I like to read the stories so it's all good :D.
That's crazy, I had no idea Tren use started that long ago. :o
Is it your opinion that the slim physiques of the Golden Age were because they avoided test or just used mild doses? I've read many times that the top bodybuilders back then were the guys who seamed to be immune to the side effects so I guess sexual dysfunction is obviously included in that.
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Matt I thought you were smarter than that. READ my posts and you will see major differences.
Are you saying there was a "secret" of some sort? I imagine they just trained hard, ate well, and used the best drugs available to them at the time - the same things the current crop does. :)
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LOL, no need for flowers :D. It's just the internet and I like to read the stories so it's all good :D.
That's crazy, I had no idea Tren use started that long ago. :o
Is it your opinion that the slim physiques of the Golden Age were because they avoided test or just used mild doses? I've read many times that the top bodybuilders back then were the guys who seamed to be immune to the side effects so I guess sexual dysfunction is obviously included in that.
No, it is too much slin, Gh and food ect. but test could be added in there as a factor. BTW, the tren I mentioned was Parabolin. It was just longer acting ester.
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GH from adolescent cadavers was very difficult to get and very expensive. A top pro might find enough to do a few IU for a few weeks, hardly enough to even notice.
Exactly Tim, "The Giant" obviously was not around back then. The only people that used GH were very-very short people that were given it by their doctors.
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I can attest to what disgusted is saying from 2 other old 70's competitors, NO TEST
No emphasis on diet as we see it today
Probably more hard training though
All in all the conclusion for me is that we all overcomplicated things to a high degree, just fucking train, eat and take drugs period
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looked better than arnold? in my dreams maybe,, all i said is that i been at that level of development,,i never looked even half as good as arnold,,arnold and ron colman were 2 uniqe individuals among bodybuilders in the last century,,arnold now days would still win the o with the drugs available and ron colman ..no one will ever surpass him he is the absolut best bodybuilding will ever have to offer,,,from now on its only down grade size and trying to bring better condition which wil be very hard becausse ron had both
If genetics had nuthing to do with it why do you say Arnold and Ronnie were 2 unique bodybuilders?? Isnt that genetics?
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I can attest to what disgusted is saying from 2 other old 70's competitors, NO TEST
No emphasis on diet as we see it today
Probably more hard training though
All in all the conclusion for me is that we all overcomplicated things to a high degree, just fucking train, eat and take drugs period
I agree with the diet thing.From reading up, Arnold never bothered with this idea of 1.5-2g protein per pound of bodyweight rubbish.His was a very basic diet, none of that 8 meals a day, 60g protein evry meal stuff.Everything is way too complicated now and it doesnt need to be.Just train, eat decent with enough calories and live a little ;D
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Arnold was strong, 2 and 3 plate a side barbell rows, 600lb+ deadlifts, 60lb db curls. So I say combination of genetics, intense training and massive eating! And steroids when dieting
you consider 2 plate a side bb rows and 60 pound db curls strong? i'd hate to see what you condsider weak. ::)
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you consider 2 plate a side bb rows and 60 pound db curls strong? i'd hate to see what you condsider weak. ::)
Correct me if im wrong but was his max BP 405
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Out of interest where did you read about it? Not doubting it but this is new information to me that GH was widely being used in the 70s and early 80s.
My recollection is that the first detailed info on natural GH use were mid-late 70s Muscle magazine articles featuring Pete Grymkowski. Inference from those articles suggested that other guys like Schwarzenegger, Robinson, etc. weren't using it, stuck to oral/injectible AAS cocktails.
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Correct me if im wrong but was his max BP 405
he never benched 4 plates.
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Am I gong to have to give you some flowers too. ;D OK, I have a friend who used to take tons of shit. Everything he could get his hands on. He never had a problem with sex drive. He was always baggin some girl whether he was on or not. Some guys are jsut like that.
The closest we are ever going to know for sure what Arnold did is to either talk to him or someone he knows. I have done the second. A far as Sergio goes, I have a friend who knows him well enough for Sergio to tell him what he took back in the 70's. Like I said in a previous post, it did not include test. During his comeback he did use tren and test. He admitted to this and coincidently a guy that used to post here who knew sergio said the same EXACT thing. As far as the GH goes we can only guess at best whether Arnold used it. Even if they did and I'm betting they didn't it had little or no effect on muscle growth.
You must mean this guy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=70811.msg1041671#msg1041671
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You must mean this guy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=70811.msg1041671#msg1041671
hey alexxx hows it going 'champ'....
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
Mostly determination, arnold contacted tony robbins in that period of time, that could be one advantage he had over the rest. And just genetics and determiantion, rmember reading arnold wanted to be 5 pounds heavier, he ate the whole goddamn day just to tip the scale with 5 pounds more, had a crazy determination.
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THERE was also maybe 2 magazines then and it seemed more of a brotherhood to them,most pics are in shorts no shirt or tees and there training like that,80's and on mostly heavy clothes to hide offseason shape or condition from fellow competitiors,too much rivalry and money involved today.but at least last 5 yrs or so internet is better than mags cause u get gym shots off bbers condition before shows and even day of.all the eras had there placed good and bad.
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70's guys were doing mostly orals and deca, thats what gave them the full rounded smooth look which looks so great.
I like the look but to say they werent doing drugs is a lie. In fact since they were doing so many orals they may have been jeopardizing their health more than the guys today.
Also, the orals affect your mental state, which explain a lot of craziies back then.
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
Proteian straits from Weider's tap.
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70's guys were doing mostly orals and deca, thats what gave them the full rounded smooth look which looks so great.
I like the look but to say they werent doing drugs is a lie. In fact since they were doing so many orals they may have been jeopardizing their health more than the guys today.
Also, the orals affect your mental state, which explain a lot of craziies back then.
good post!
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70's guys were doing mostly orals and deca, thats what gave them the full rounded smooth look which looks so great.
I like the look but to say they werent doing drugs is a lie. In fact since they were doing so many orals they may have been jeopardizing their health more than the guys today.
Also, the orals affect your mental state, which explain a lot of craziies back then.
i think competitors would look better with around 9-10 percent bodyfat.
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i think competitors would look better with around 9-10 percent bodyfat.
Thats interesting you say that squad, cause something else that wasn't mentioned is that competitors back then were not going into shows as lean or as shredded as competitors today, but they still looked good.
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Yes genetics play a part, but today you have many guys with bad genetics who turn pro simply because they force their body to gow thru extreme drug use.
Are you talking about a pro who is of middle-eatern descent and has an attitude problem? ;D
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Thats interesting you say that squad, cause something else that wasn't mentioned is that competitors back then were not going into shows as lean or as shredded as competitors today, but they still looked good.
EXCEPT ZANE 77.78,79,
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i think competitors would look better with around 9-10 percent bodyfat.
agree even a little more, There is no reason they need to be 'dry', 'crisp' and near death.
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agree even a little more, There is no reason they need to be 'dry', 'crisp' and near death.
Dennis James is a testement to this, two weeks out he looks ridiculous...
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i think competitors would look better with around 9-10 percent bodyfat.
That's still kinda fat for the stage, 5-6 would probably be better. It's very cut but much safer than the 3% some of these guys get to.
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you consider 2 plate a side bb rows and 60 pound db curls strong? i'd hate to see what you condsider weak. ::)
I mean for 8-10 textbook reps, Squad. I agree 9-10% bodyfat would look good on stage [depending on the guy's structure of course]
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I like the shredded look,theres no hiding of flaws in the physique.
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I agree with the slightly higher bodyfat % - todays grilled + skinned chicken look has to go.
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The old guys did the same things the new guys do, the same things I do, the same things every gym rat does. They just used less gear. How many times do I need to say the only reason the guys today look worse is because they are using more drugs, get bigger, and inevitably get bigger EVERYWHERE. What is so hard to grasp about that?
PS - I deadlift 410 for reps now!!! By "reps", I mean like 2-6, but whatever. ;D
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In fact since they were doing so many orals they may have been jeopardizing their health more than the guys today.
where are the bodies? while orals can be harsh on the liver, I think it's a stretch to say that a little liver stress is jeopardizing one's health more than using diuretics and insulin. Getting down to 3% bodyfat is very hard on the body.
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where are the bodies? while orals can be harsh on the liver, I think it's a stretch to say that a little liver stress is jeopardizing one's health more than using diuretics and insulin. Getting down to 3% bodyfat is very hard on the body.
true, I meant in comparison to doing more injectables than orals...but yea the dirutetcs and insulin have a more immedieate life risk.
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Ok I don't claim to know exactly what these guys did, but I have talked to some guys, one who knew Arnold and another that knew Sergio. From what I was told these guys did a lot of orals. Test wasn't used all that much or at all back in the 70's It was considered a dirty drug. Remember that steroids were still kinda knew and were looked upon as something that took that place of test without all the bad side effects.
Dbol, anavar, drol and some deca and Primo. Winny to a degree also. I think that doses were fairly high. I know Sergio liked dbol, deca and winny, no test. For his comeback in 1984 he added test and tren and he had a different look, one that I personally did not like. I don't think that Franco had gyno untill his comeback in 1981.
Diet was simple, they ate roughly 4 times daily and like Tim said protein was first priority then carbs and fat. It was simple eating of good food.
They spent hours in the gym and why not? it was their job basically. I personally don't believe in over training. Things today are made way too complicated and they certainly don't need to be. Personally this is fine by me. I know that it is nearly impossible to convince these guys today otherwise. Yes genetics play a part, but today you have many guys with bad genetics who turn pro simply because they force their body to gow thru extreme drug use.
That last paragraph is gold. It's comical to me to hear people talk about "overtraining".
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Wrong bro. Any kid who goes to McDonalds is getting plenty of trenbolone. Fact, sad, but fact.
I had a Double Quarter Trenbolone w/ Chee just yesterday! :D
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i agree that bodybuilders actually look their best at about 5 weeks out.. phil heath was example of that.. as for geasr use..i have talked about this with disgusted a couple of times and can tell ya that the guys back then ABUSED the hell out of orals.. dbol by the handful ect ect.. they just did not know any better back then.. also, the one factor that most do not bring up is that he guys back then overtrained like crazy.. hitting bodyparts three times a week and 20 sets ect ect.. guys today have toned that down quite a bit and have became bigger for it.. ets was not used much in teh early 70's like disgusted has said.. was considered dirty because of bloating and possible gyno ect.. but, they did love tren, primo and deca.. deca / dbol cycles were the most commonly prescribed for the newbie ect.. one of the biggest men known in bodybuilding took eq and tren only.. that came straight from his mouth.. eq was constant thoughout cycle and tren was wroked in at 6 week intervals.. so the reliance on test came around because it is so damn cheap and easily available..
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so basically gh and insulin ruined bb is the point of this thread
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b] I personally don't believe in over training.[/b]
what? certainly you dont think training a muscle before it has fully recooperated is a good idea..do you? ???
Yes genetics play a part, but today you have many guys with bad genetics who turn pro simply because they force their body to gow thru extreme drug use. good to know that its possible. ;D
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You know it's sad that you believe in fairy tales. first of all, have you ever seen what someone looks like on 1000mgs a week of "REAL" test. A bloated mess. The water retention is there even with a good diet. Think logical man. Arnold started his precontest bout 4 months out. What you saw was a steady growth of muscle not a ton a water weight. Again, someone who is on a lot of test has a certain look to them. Arnold NEVER showed any of these signs. As far as GH goes, you say they had it so why don't you tell us the brand name and or a little background on how it was synthesized.
hahah. so very true. ;D
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so basically gh and insulin ruined bb is the point of this thread
Depends on your taste I suppose. I like Shawn Perrine, but it is the ironage delusion to believe that Arnold these days would merely be 60 pounds heavier in all the right places. If Arnold were competing today, he would basically just look like Gunter, with a bigger chest and better peak to his biceps, but he would preserve his flaws too. Lee Haney at 300 pounds would still not look good. You can't have the best of both worlds! Moderate drug use and a more streamlined physique at a lighter body weight, or more drugs and pure freak. Which is it going to be?
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So you're saying some of them only got gyno when they started to use test?
So dbol, deca, primo, winny, tren does not cause gyno? no risk at all?
What drugs causes it and why?
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Rick Wayne said Arnold told him he started taking steroids at 13, I think it was.
And Kurt Marnul said he introduced them to Arnold when he was 15 - even hepled with the injections! So who the hell knows for sure...
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im not going to answer all questions to me individually or the pms neither,,im going to write here the answers to your concerns since i have limited time and i have to be in gym early morning,,
when gh15 says genetics has nothing to do with it what gh15 means is that the 5'8 guy and 5'7 guy gene5tics is average at best,,it all suck to be honest with you ,,they got frames some kids at 16 have,,,
yes ron and arnold were both tall and wide,,if you want to consider it generics then yes its genetics but i consider it original frame,,90% of bodybuilders have average to average minus genetics,,its the frame and stucture you have that will consitute how well andimpressive you will look,,, the respond to hormones is right up there too,,but genetics per say and wether one muscle is little rounder or have higher peak have nothing to do with it unless you are at the highest of highest of competitions trsut me on that,,especially today when size and conditiion is pretty much everything !
so thats that
now ,,you fellas got to understand that gh15 cant come hgere and respond to every pip that you ask,,gh15 answer and when it answers it is absoult gh15 can not just come all the time and answer the 10 th same question to the same original post of gh15,,,so let me clarify here again
DECA DURABOLIN WILL BLOAT YOU MORE THAN TESTOSTERONE ,,,,ALOT MORE THAN TESTOSTERONE! THE COMEPTITORS IN THE 60S 70S USED TESTOSTERONE AND THERE IS NO NEED TO ARGUE ABOUT IT ITS WRITTEN IN STONE,,NOW LIKE MATT C SAYS HERE THEY HAD LEGIT HUMAN GRADE AND VET GRADE AND ONLY THOSE PRODUCTS,,THEY WERE AWAYS LAGIT AND NOT CONTROLLED SO NO NEED TO GET INTO SHADY UNDERGROUND BUNK AND INJECY 20 TIMES A WEEK ALSO THEY WERE NOT AS BIG BECAUSE THEY DID NOT USE AS MUCH,,
NOW,,THE USE OF ORALS WAS A LOT BACK THEN ,,BUT TODAY IT IS EVEN MORE~ WE LOVE ORALS ORALS ARE THE BEST AAS YOU CAN FIND ,,ORALS ARE KEY FOR GROWTH ,,WHO EVER SAY OTHERWIZE NEVER BEEN A BODYBUILDER NOR DID ANYTHING IN BODYBUILDING,,
NOW,,DURETICS WERE INTERGRAL PART OF THE 40S LOOK,,YOU USED THEM LIKE YOU USE THEM THESE DAYS TO LOOK GOOD FOTR A WEDDING IF YOUR A GIRL,,NO YOU DO NOT USE THEM ONLY FOR COMPETITION ,,,BODYBUILDERS THEN AND NOW USE DURETICS ALL THROUGH THE YEAR,,ESPEPCIALLY IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN PAPER THIN SKIN ALL THROUGH THE YEAR AND DONT WANNA LKOSE AND SACRIFICE A LOT OF MUSCLE DURING PREP,,OFCOURSE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO WITH DURETICS BUT IT IS CULPRIT OF THE BODYBUILDER,,THIS IS ALSO THE CAUSE OF MANY DEATH DUE TO A LOT OF USE OF THOSE PRODUCTS,,
GH WAS EXPERIENCED IN THE 70 S BY ARNOLD ,,END OF 70S AND I SET WITH HIM MANY TIMES AND DISCUSSED IT ,,IN THE 80S IT WAS MORE OFTEN USE ESPECIALLY BY HANEY AND TOP COMPETITORS ,,AGAIN IT WAS OLD RUSSIAN AND DIDNT BECOME FOR THE MASSES TILL END OF 80S BEGGINGIN OF 90S IN MORE ADVANCED FORM AND NOT FROM DEAD PEOPLE CADAVARS,,
i think i answered all concerns now,,please i beg you to avoid bombasing gh15 with questions,,what i say here is loud and clear and the only way this game/sport works,,there is no second oprion and only this one counts simply because we all do it on o stage and done it for many years
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Some of the resident experts here have left out crucial parts of the equation. It wasn't just quantity.
It wasn't just the quanity of drugs taken. Besides GH being less widespread then and taken in lower doses due to price differences and availability:
-There were no GH + slin cocktails, which seems to have been the crucial difference in today's equation. GH by itself wasn't necessarily the difference maker in terms of some of today's negatives, it was slin + GH + AAS = freakenstein, tampering with the body's integral chemistry.
-Difference in effect between artificial and natural GH, plus the price difference that encourages higher doses more recently.
Add all of those up, taken together.
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Don't forget IGF, I think peptides in general changes things to what we have today. I prefer the older look but guys like Coleman in his prime and Yates always impressed me with their sheer mass and size.
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Don't forget IGF, I think peptides in general changes things to what we have today. I prefer the older look but guys like Coleman in his prime and Yates always impressed me with their sheer mass and size.
There you have it; Matt and GH15 have conveniently left that out.
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whatever you people want to say about the drugs, the change to one bodypart once a week made a big difference.
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i agree that bodybuilders actually look their best at about 5 weeks out.. phil heath was example of that.. as for geasr use..i have talked about this with disgusted a couple of times and can tell ya that the guys back then ABUSED the hell out of orals.. dbol by the handful ect ect.. they just did not know any better back then.. also, the one factor that most do not bring up is that he guys back then overtrained like crazy.. hitting bodyparts three times a week and 20 sets ect ect.. guys today have toned that down quite a bit and have became bigger for it.. ets was not used much in teh early 70's like disgusted has said.. was considered dirty because of bloating and possible gyno ect.. but, they did love tren, primo and deca.. deca / dbol cycles were the most commonly prescribed for the newbie ect.. one of the biggest men known in bodybuilding took eq and tren only.. that came straight from his mouth.. eq was constant thoughout cycle and tren was wroked in at 6 week intervals.. so the reliance on test came around because it is so damn cheap and easily available..
Sup bro? Hey, I'm pretty sure I know who you mean. In fact I'm positive. ;) BIIIIIG fuker
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You must mean this guy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=70811.msg1041671#msg1041671
Yep, that was him. Good find.
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Hey, I'm pretty sure I know who you mean. In fact I'm positive. ;) BIIIIIG fuker
Vic Richards?
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Vic Richards?
:o ;)
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I used to talk to Vic years ago and he was a big fan of high dose anabolics, var, eq ect He did not like test, but he has mentioned in print that he liked tren so guess no harm in mentioning. Also, I know of one other very famous retired bb who recently is making a comeback (sory no names on this one) who hated test. Loved winny though. He had the "ideal" physique to many.
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I used to talk to Vic years ago and he was a big fan of high dose anabolics, var, eq ect He did not like test, but he has mentioned in print that he liked tren so guess no harm in mentioning. Also, I know of one other very famous retired bb who recently is making a comeback (sory no names on this one) who hated test. Loved winny though. He had the "ideal" physique to many.
Bob Paris?
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WHATS IS UP DISGUSTED.. ? ;) yeah, you and i talked about him if ya remember ;D.. as for test and the like.. i can tell ya, just like disgusted did, that many guys do not touch it... so love it.. my bud dave roomed with a few very top teir guys in the 80's and early 90's.. one guy who is still known as "the best physique ever" that dave roomed with would do low dose test and packed on the eq and tren.. one has to remember thatthe drugs in question were made to give the "kick" of test with out the sides.. but, if ya see a guy (like disgusted said ) on high test they are usually a bloated mess.. the only way around it is to take arimidex or something similar .. that in turn kills your blood lipid profile and is just "robbing peter to pay paul" type game.. hey disgusted.. is your site still up?..
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So looking at the pic of Arnold I'd say he's about 235 here at what, 6'2"? Other than genetics, what was responsible for all that mass? Was it drugs? There we'rent many to chose from. Was it diet? Heard these guys were big on meat and eggs. Did they eat every 2 hours? Did they weigh their food? Did they count protein, fats and carbs? Was it training? Many of them did a lot of sets and reps. Was it supplements? What did they even have? Liver tabs? Maybe some Joe Weiders high protein peanut butter. ;D
Right the money here and my recent thoughts exactly.
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gh15.. no one said they did not have test in the 70's but, there were many who prefered not to use it in favor of other anabolics..
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WHATS IS UP DISGUSTED.. ? ;) yeah, you and i talked about him if ya remember ;D.. as for test and the like.. i can tell ya, just like disgusted did, that many guys do not touch it... so love it.. my bud dave roomed with a few very top teir guys in the 80's and early 90's.. one guy who is still known as "the best physique ever" that dave roomed with would do low dose test and packed on the eq and tren.. one has to remember thatthe drugs in question were made to give the "kick" of test with out the sides.. but, if ya see a guy (like disgusted said ) on high test they are usually a bloated mess.. the only way around it is to take arimidex or something similar .. that in turn kills your blood lipid profile and is just "robbing peter to pay paul" type game.. hey disgusted.. is your site still up?..
Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.
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Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.
So you dont see a problem with running 200mg of test per week and 600 mg of deca a week?
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So you dont see a problem with running 200mg of test per week and 600 mg of deca a week?
Of course not.
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Bob Paris?
starts with m and ends with ilos
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whatever Arnold and franco took, millions of lifters took tons more and never looked good.
Arnold trained all out, 2hrs. twice a day. i doubt any of us on here could have kept up with him for a single week.
his drive was the key to his bodybuilding success, his movie success, his financial success and now his political success.
yeah and HOW do you think he got able to do this without WORKING a normal job? by sucking old men cocks to get his money.
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Yep I remember. It's funny cause nowadays 1000mgs of test is a base, but what I am really seeing from it is big bloated messes walkin around the gym. I think that it is very smart to run 200mg per week of test if you are running stuff like eq,var,winny ect. just to keep your libido up.
exactly jim...and most of the guys i work with this is exactly how i do it pre contest...although i go little higher say 400-600 of prop but never more and the results have been far far better for them all. Plus they feel better.
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im not quating now since i dont have time to find how to do multi quoate,,
to the fella that said test was used in 70s ,,yes you are right ,,they all used it ,,9 out of 10 competitors used testosterone,,,it is natural to the body and any imbacile would use natural hormone rather than a twist on that hormone,,,ofcourse a combo is best and thats when they started to lean it in the 70s!
so yes testosteone was used in the 70s by most competitors,,now to the friend who said 600mg of prop yada yada,,1000mg of test enan and 600mg of test prop in thebig ascheme of things will result in same side effects to the physiqe,,the way to eliminate side effects is to eat less junk depending on your goal ,,at many times i recomend eating not clean but in prep try to keep majority of eating clean depending on the doses and number of products you use
in any case,,,1000mg of testosterone doesnt mean bloated cow,,what it means is more free testosterone if you know your bodybuilding ,,,ofcourse when you walk around with a whole 180llb of lean muscle mass 500mg testostrone will do,,but when you are walking around with 250lb of lean muscle mass you wont even start growing at 500mg testosterone,,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about legit hormones human grades or vet grade and no undeground bunks,,
always remember that what you take should be in relashion to what you give out,,your lean muscle will consistute what you takei in ,,but to the people who say that testosteroen was never used in 70s ...they ar dreaming..vic richards used testostronein 80s ,,its culprit of the man muscle hormone,,,it is the man muscle hormone,,,nandrolone will bloat you more than testosterone,,,testosterone give you a lot more strength than nandrolone,,,testosterone is what give you the energy to train hard and 70s competitors trained very hard,,
im amazed and the little to no understand of bodybuilindg presented in this thread,,
wether its duretics,,or testosterone,,,nandrolone or primobolan,,,anti estrogen such as nolvadex and NARCOTICS WHICH WERE INTEGRAL PART OF CUTTING IN THE 70S!!! the understanding of professional competition here is close to zero,,
i dont care what this guru says or that guru says ,,,im tellin you how it goes ad how it used to go
saying testosterone was not used in bodybuilding in the 70s is like saying that larry scot was natural,,same ridicoulous claims that put bodybuilding again as A LIE,,
A BODYBUILDER WILL ALWAYS FROM THE BEGGINIGNG USE WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B ,,YES YOU CAN GET BY AND LOOK 188LB LIKE MATT C BY USING 250 500MG EQ OR DECA AND SOME DIANABOL PILLS,,,BUT IM TELLING YOU HERE THAT NO AMATUER NOR PROFESSIONAL WALK AROUND AT 200LB 210LB 220 LB 250 LB 260 LB WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT USE AND REPEATED USE OF HORMONES WITH THE BASIC OF THE BASIC BEING TESTOSTERONE WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY AND IS WHAT DISTINGUISH THE MALE FROM THE FEMALE ,,,TESTOSTERONE IS THE REASON FEMALES CAN EVEN START DOING BODYBUILDING SHOWS,,
I AM AMAZED AND THE IGNORACE AFTER GH15 BEING HERE OVER 2 YEARS
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GH breaking people's hearts with the brutal truth as usual, hey GH i've got a question, how much gains will a person keep after using test for 4 and a half years straight without much of a break and then going off completely?
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hard to say ,,usually testosterone will get you to your natural max ,,lets say you were 185lb naturally 10% and you ddint eat very well when you were teenager,,,testosterone and other hormones will get you to that 205lb you should have been naturally if ate well and did sports as a teenager,,,
you go off for 5 years ,,,everything will go back ,,,you will lose majority of gains but you will stop at that 205lb that ws suppopsesd to be yoru original size to begin with if you ate right as a teenager and maxed yoruself naturally,,
basically 15-20lb will always be on you from the starting weight,,bodyfat will depend on many factors including health but with mosthormonized lifters who go clean they usually gain bodyfat because they want to keep the size somehow so they sacrifice some bodyfat inorder to remain somewhat big in relashion to what they used to be
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im not quating now since i dont have time to find how to do multi quoate,,
to the fella that said test was used in 70s ,,yes you are right ,,they all used it ,,9 out of 10 competitors used testosterone,,,it is natural to the body and any imbacile would use natural hormone rather than a twist on that hormone,,,ofcourse a combo is best and thats when they started to lean it in the 70s!
so yes testosteone was used in the 70s by most competitors,,now to the friend who said 600mg of prop yada yada,,1000mg of test enan and 600mg of test prop in thebig ascheme of things will result in same side effects to the physiqe,,the way to eliminate side effects is to eat less junk depending on your goal ,,at many times i recomend eating not clean but in prep try to keep majority of eating clean depending on the doses and number of products you use
in any case,,,1000mg of testosterone doesnt mean bloated cow,,what it means is more free testosterone if you know your bodybuilding ,,,ofcourse when you walk around with a whole 180llb of lean muscle mass 500mg testostrone will do,,but when you are walking around with 250lb of lean muscle mass you wont even start growing at 500mg testosterone,,,ofcourse gh15 is talking about legit hormones human grades or vet grade and no undeground bunks,,
always remember that what you take should be in relashion to what you give out,,your lean muscle will consistute what you takei in ,,but to the people who say that testosteroen was never used in 70s ...they ar dreaming..vic richards used testostronein 80s ,,its culprit of the man muscle hormone,,,it is the man muscle hormone,,,nandrolone will bloat you more than testosterone,,,testosterone give you a lot more strength than nandrolone,,,testosterone is what give you the energy to train hard and 70s competitors trained very hard,,
im amazed and the little to no understand of bodybuilindg presented in this thread,,
wether its duretics,,or testosterone,,,nandrolone or primobolan,,,anti estrogen such as nolvadex and NARCOTICS WHICH WERE INTEGRAL PART OF CUTTING IN THE 70S!!! the understanding of professional competition here is close to zero,,
i dont care what this guru says or that guru says ,,,im tellin you how it goes ad how it used to go
saying testosterone was not used in bodybuilding in the 70s is like saying that larry scot was natural,,same ridicoulous claims that put bodybuilding again as A LIE,,
A BODYBUILDER WILL ALWAYS FROM THE BEGGINIGNG USE WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B ,,YES YOU CAN GET BY AND LOOK 188LB LIKE MATT C BY USING 250 500MG EQ OR DECA AND SOME DIANABOL PILLS,,,BUT IM TELLING YOU HERE THAT NO AMATUER NOR PROFESSIONAL WALK AROUND AT 200LB 210LB 220 LB 250 LB 260 LB WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT USE AND REPEATED USE OF HORMONES WITH THE BASIC OF THE BASIC BEING TESTOSTERONE WHICH IS NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY AND IS WHAT DISTINGUISH THE MALE FROM THE FEMALE ,,,TESTOSTERONE IS THE REASON FEMALES CAN EVEN START DOING BODYBUILDING SHOWS,,
I AM AMAZED AND THE IGNORACE AFTER GH15 BEING HERE OVER 2 YEARS
prop is going to promote a harder leaner less watery look then test e or cyp. Thats what i mostly meant, also the sides are easier when coming off since its faster acting, you can get to normal again quickly if need be. I know 600mg of prop is about as strong as 1k of cyp or e...jsut like 300-400 of suspension is about 1k of test cyp or e. Sorry I wrote it fast.
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gh15 i love you bro
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I know 600mg of prop is about as strong as 1k of cyp or e...jsut like 300-400 of suspension is about 1k of test cyp or e. Sorry I wrote it fast.
Ummmmm, false.
1k of test cyp or e = 700 susp.
850(843 if you want to be technical) prop = 1000 cyp.
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Ummmmm, false.
1k of test cyp or e = 700 susp.
850(843 if you want to be technical) prop = 1000 cyp.
wtf...test is test, bro. the ester has nothing to do with how strong it is. it only deals with the release time
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wtf...test is test, bro. the ester has nothing to do with how strong it is. it only deals with the release time
I think he is talking about ester weight. Susp is pure test.
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eh.
all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.
i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone.. test is test...and ill kick some ass
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eh.
all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.
i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone.. test is test...and ill kick some ass
Nonsense? ::)
You need to do some more research bro. Propionate and Cypionate don't weigh as much, for example. 100mg of test with an ester is not 100mg of pure test. Only suspension is pure test. Then there are peak levels you achieve with stuff like suspension (very high). That may effect results.
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eh.
all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.
i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone.. test is test...and ill kick some ass
let's see a new picture.
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eh.
all i know is that 200 mg of test of any ester is equal to 200 mg of test of any other ester...because the ester is just the release time.
i dont know anything abotu all that ester weight non sense...we arent talking about waxy maize and shit; so i dont know what the fuck he means....shit...im eating my ass off an growing big as fuck..leave me alone.. test is test...and ill kick some ass
You have zero clue on this one. Test is test, BUT use 600mg of prop and use 600mg of cypionate, you will feal FAR more from the prop, thats for sure. I've used 600 of each at different times, Testex Elmu and Virormones, top of the line test IMO, and while they were both strong, the Virormones felt much stronger. Much less bloat and you look and feal better.
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You have zero clue on this one. Test is test, BUT use 600mg of prop and use 600mg of cypionate, you will feal FAR more from the prop, thats for sure. I've used 600 of each at different times, Testex Elmu and Virormones, top of the line test IMO, and while they were both strong, the Virormones felt much stronger. Much less bloat and you look and feal better.
thats because with the prop you have 600 mg being released over the span of two-three days, and with the cypionate its being released over a much longer period of time. still the same amount of test though
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thats because with the prop you have 600 mg being released over the span of two-three days, and with the cypionate its being released over a much longer period of time. still the same amount of test though
AHH, I should have mentioned because I figured everyone would have figure that part out. This was all well into the cycle, 5-6 weeks, not 5-6 days, both tests had plenty of time to float around and circulate in the system. Granted you always feal prop first, but the cyp had time to build up. I still say you feal prop more, mg for mg.
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This is why I love getbig...the real uncut truth..
lately we have been getting off track with "team" this and "team" that..
Disgusted, great thread..probably should be a sticky
also more Pros should post in this thread..notice how Chick or Milos hasn't posted
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Injection frequency has a lot to do with steady blood levels when it comes to all the different esters. Best to go twice weekly with something like cyp.
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I used to talk to Vic years ago and he was a big fan of high dose anabolics, var, eq ect He did not like test, but he has mentioned in print that he liked tren so guess no harm in mentioning. Also, I know of one other very famous retired bb who recently is making a comeback (sory no names on this one) who hated test. Loved winny though. He had the "ideal" physique to many.
dennis newman.a guess but i could see the sides he didn't want ,but i think gh was his choice.
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"BUT IM TELLING YOU HERE THAT NO AMATUER NOR PROFESSIONAL WALK AROUND AT 200LB 210LB 220 LB 250 LB 260 LB WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT USE AND REPEATED USE OF HORMONES"
Nope, just the one's with average to crappy genetics that don't train efficiently.
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gh
what do you mean by not eating well while being a teen?
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Hard to know for sure, alot of it seems to be revisionist history propogated by groupies like this guy. Check the Pumping Iron footage and finally take notice that it's guys like Corney and Ferrigno that were training hard and providing most of the inspiring footage, not Schwarzenegger.
Revisionist? Don't know about that. You can't base Arnold's training habits on a few reels of footage from a psuedo-documentary where he was hogging for the camera and trying to be clever. Just ask his friends, and the people that were there during the time----most of them say the same thing, that nobody trained harder than Arnold.
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Revisionist? Don't know about that. You can't base Arnold's training habits on a few reels of footage from a psuedo-documentary where he was hogging for the camera and trying to be clever. Just ask his friends, and the people that were there during the time----most of them say the same thing, that nobody trained harder than Arnold.
They say that, but the most tangible evidence the footage says something else, and it was quite frankly inexcusable. If he truly trained as hard as claimed he'd have had no hesitation to do so; that he didn't makes it yet another unsubstantiated Arnold factoid.
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Common sense. Right there in the footage, vs. your hearsay. No viable explanation, and disappointing given all the rhetoric that many like you believe without substantiation.
I think you mean heresay.
It's not rhetoric when it's been said in countless interviews.....just do your homework. Ken Waller, Ed Corney, Frank Zane, Dave Draper, Reg Park, Franco Columbo, etc....., they've all vouched for his intensity in the gym. If you don't belive them, take it up with them.
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I think you mean heresay.
It's not rhetoric when it's been said in countless interviews.....just do your homework. Ken Waller, Ed Corney, Frank Zane, Dave Draper, Reg Park, Franco Columbo, etc....., they've all vouched for his intensity in the gym. If you don't belive them, take it up with them.
No, the word's hearsay.
Unfortunately the tangible evidence is right there, despite your need to believe otherwise and reliance on anecdotes in order to maintain your reverence. Also ask yourself why they edited out the end of his squat set, and focused on Corney's. ;D
Come back down to earth you'll recover. The homework was concluded long ago. ;D
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No, the word's hearsay.
Unfortunately the tangible evidence is right there, despite your need to believe otherwise and reliance on anecdotes in order to maintain your reverence. Also ask yourself why they edited out the end of his squat set, and focused on Corney's. ;D
Come back down to earth you'll recover. The homework was concluded long ago. ;D
Whatever, you're wrong, but ok.
I refuse to argue with a guy nearing 15,000 posts.
I think your the one that needs to come back down to earth, son.
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Whatever, you're wrong, but ok.
I refuse to argue with a guy nearing 15,000 posts.
I think your the one that needs to come back down to earth, son.
The evidence backs me. All you've got is air and a need to attack me in lieu of substance. Come up with something more solid or STFU deal with it and your fallen hero lol you still haven't explained the edited sequence i mentioned.
BTW learn to spell it's hearsay bwahahaahahahahaha
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Revisionist? Don't know about that. You can't base Arnold's training habits on a few reels of footage from a psuedo-documentary where he was hogging for the camera and trying to be clever. Just ask his friends, and the people that were there during the time----most of them say the same thing, that nobody trained harder than Arnold.
I know someone who trained with those guys, and he tells me Arnold was very focused during training, but Robbie Robinson was crazy. He'd train with a 100+ degree fever...whatever it took Robbie did not miss workouts.
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Robbie Robinson was crazy. He'd train with a 100+ degree fever...whatever it took Robbie did not miss workouts.
I can believe that, especially there's no solid evidence disproving it as there is with Arnold the BSer.
It's remarkable how only the very top names get credit, not others like Robinson. Just goes to show what self-promotion can do, as proven by this idiot's reliance in hearsay over substance.
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says the 98 pound rican bottom twink ::)
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says the 98 pound rican bottom twink ::)
Is this a reference to moi, "Sir Traps"? How's your boy Squadfather's sperm tasting these days? Garlicky?
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The evidence backs me. All you've got is air and a need to attack me in lieu of substance. Come up with something more solid or STFU deal with it and your fallen hero lol you still haven't explained the edited sequence i mentioned.
BTW learn to spell it's hearsay bwahahaahahahahaha
I'm at work right now, I don't have the time to go looking for articles, but I promise you, the evidence is there in my favor. I will post it as soon as I can. Have a rebuttal ready, fool.
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I'm at work right now, I don't have the time to go looking for articles, but I promise you, the evidence is there in my favor. I will post it as soon as I can. Have a rebuttal ready, fool.
lol you have nothing but some kinda promise that you know. No substance just crap. And learn how to spell too.
After work go and bow down some more in front of soiled posters of your hero.
Hope this helps
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Arnold used to burn out his training partners ;D
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candizzle, you're really getting annoying with your "knowledge". how about this, you don't give out steroid info/advice until you've done a cycle, ok?