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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on February 28, 2008, 11:13:14 AM
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Not sure if this has already been posted or not .................
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Juice is SO GODDAMN mighty!!! :o
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some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....
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Juice is SO GODDAMN mighty!!! :o
Hard to argue with you.
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Which one is he?
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Mike, are you sure that's not a picture taken a long time ago? If that is Chris, I got to admit that I had a hard time recognizing him.
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Which one is he?
The small one.
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Mike, are you sure that's not a picture taken a long time ago? If that is Chris, I got to admit that I had a hard time recognizing him.
No. That pic has got to be one of the most recent because Chris didn't get into the whole TapOut/MMA shinding till after he won the USA and tried make make it as a pro...or was it the Nationals? ???
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some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....
Very well stated.
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Mike, are you sure that's not a picture taken a long time ago? If that is Chris, I got to admit that I had a hard time recognizing him.
Im pretty sure that is a recent picture of Chris.. (Bob Chic who is a good friend of Chris's could confirm it tho)
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juice is just a finishing touch, adds only 3-5% max.
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The wierd thing is that one of his best bodyparts was his arms and now they look like the worst ???
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Pollux, he won the USA and got his Pro Card if I recall correctly.
Mike, I hope Bob confirms/denies that that is Chris. If it is him, he's growing younger/backwards.
I still think it's not Chris.
Good comment, Tom, but I would go as high at 10% max. That's the percentage they all claimed in the "legal days".
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The wierd thing is that one of his best bodyparts was his arms and now they look like the worst ???
maybe he doesn't want his guns to overpower the rest of his physique?
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Pollux, he won the USA and got his Pro Card if I recall correctly.
Mike, I hope Bob confirms/denies that that is Chris. If it is him, he's growing younger/backwards.
I still think it's not Chris.
Good comment, Tom, but I would go as high at 10% max. That's the percentage they all claimed in the "legal days".
I got that picture from this thread over at bodybuilding.com
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1001780
check it out (maybe i missed something?)
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I am wondering about that myself which one is Chris Cook?
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juice is just a finishing touch, adds only 3-5% max.
Ist that a quote from Chris Cook?? ::) (or from Tom Prince? :D)
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Oh yeah, and being an 'IFBB Pro Bodybuilder' is so much more glorious then being an MMA fighter... hell at least in MMA you'll have a chance at being on TV... guess Chris got sick of getting lubed up on stage in front of a bunch of fags wearing nothing but a G string..
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im getting more and more convinced pro bbing is all drugs.
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im getting more and more convinced pro bbing is all drugs.
lol @ juice is 5%. Maybe 5% after your 3-5th cycle.
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Maybe he's going for the health look?
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lol @ juice is 5%. Maybe 5% after your 3-5th cycle.
There is a 9 missing. Make that 95%. Juice is 95% in BB.
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He's probably still bigger than half you guys calling him small. Post up some pics if you think you're bigger.
But yeah, all drugs.
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And see, this is what so many of today bb experts and competitive bbs have been saying.....it's not about the chemicals....it's about the heart of a champion. I'm sold!!!
::)
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haha another guy who went from 300 pounds to 180 after stopping roids.
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Now he couldn't have gone from all out Pro BBer cycle to zero HRT.
Are we to assume he's that big while on HRT?
he doesn't look half bad for average american, but for a pro Bber, wow.
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juice is just a finishing touch, adds only 3-5% max.
Hi Tom Prince.
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Is that him on the left? Say it isn't so. I would not have recognized him. Can anyone confirm that is Cook? :-[
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TapOut bitches. Hahahahahaha. He's turned into the jackass shadow boxers that rule the gym with their fierce stares and cement concentration.
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
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maybe Chris feels it isn't necessary to continue taking creatine & glutamine since he's no longer competing?
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
The truest words ever spoken on getbig.
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The truest words ever spoken on getbig.
I really really ... hope you know I was Sarcastic....
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I really really ... hope you know I was Sarcastic....
i too thought you were serious.
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I really really ... hope you know I was Sarcastic....
i hope you were not.
Make it 30 cycles not 3 and we're fit. All Drugs.
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haha another guy who went from 300 pounds to 180 after stopping roids.
Whats funny about that?
Can you get to 300lbs without roids?
He's training for something else now so why be "300lbs".
He's looks far better (and i bet he's healthier) now than before.
Good on him was washing his hands of this ridiculous sport and getting out with his health.
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another fragile drug user......
welcome to getbig.
Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
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Joe Loco e-mails scientist:
http://www.creationtheory.org/HateMail/JoeMarino.xhtml
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Whats funny about that?
Can you get to 300lbs without roids?
He's training for something else now so why be "300lbs".
He's looks far better (and i bet he's healthier) now than before.
Good on him was washing his hands of this ridiculous sport and getting out with his health.
what is "funny" is that when you use steroids you can double your muscle mass and body weight you moron. For most people it's kinda "funny".
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wow.. :-\
im so glad im natural..
and rely on nothing else but dumbell and barbells
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
Take any bodybuilder off the juice and he will lose most of his size and strength, put a random man on juice and he wont necessarily become a bodybuilder.
The drugs play a huge role at enhancing, but they first need something good to enhance.
(in case anyone missed it,I agree with his point and I detect his sarcasm)
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
this is essentially correct. Im all natural and Im in the kind of condition where I could train for a few months of a hardcore bulk and Id be able to place in just about any local or state level bb competition. if I did roids, there is no question in my mind I could turn pro but I dont want to mess myself up with juice. Only cheaters do that shit
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this is essentially correct. Im all natural and Im in the kind of condition where I could train for a few months of a hardcore bulk and Id be able to place in just about any local or state level bb competition. if I did roids, there is no question in my mind I could turn pro but I dont want to mess myself up with juice. Only cheaters do that shit
okay sport
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what is "funny" is that when you use steroids you can double your muscle mass and body weight you moron. For most people it's kinda "funny".
No, i don't think people find "doubling" your mass funny.
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"I couldn't lose muscle even if I wanted to."
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juice is just a finishing touch, adds only 3-5% max.
Don't laugh, Mike Mentzer, in the 79 or 80 when he was writing for Weider's Muscle and Fitness magazine actually claimed this in one of his articles- that steroids only improved him by 2-3%.
Honest to god, he wrote that in an article. ::)
I never laughed so hard in my life- and people wonder why BBing is a sub culture.
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Don't laugh, Mike Mentzer, in the 79 or 80 when he was writing for Weider's Muscle and Fitness magazine actually claimed this in one of his articles- that steroids only improved him by 2-3%.
Honest to god, he wrote that in an article. ::)
I never laughed so hard in my life- and people wonder why BBing is a sub culture.
No they don't. We all know why. :D
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Don't laugh, Mike Mentzer, in the 79 or 80 when he was writing for Weider's Muscle and Fitness magazine actually claimed this in one of his articles- that steroids only improved him by 2-3%.
Honest to god, he wrote that in an article. ::)
I never laughed so hard in my life- and people wonder why BBing is a sub culture.
In the same logic how much do you think steroids improved Roger,Bonds,Palmeiro and so on. Do you think your averege ball player could play at their level if they have the same amount of Drugs.
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Not sure if this has already been posted or not .................
thats not lee priest ???
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Hes still Alot bigger then the avrage gym dude though
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these are the same guys who go around sayin I had @0inch arms when i was 18 after 2 yrs of working out...
pure fallacy.. and lies
i am impressed by none of them...
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Hes still Alot bigger then the avrage gym dude though
he is OK. hes like my size or maybe just a little bigger. I mostly train for power and strength so thats why Im not bigger. If I trained bodybuilder style and not like a powerlifting badass, Id at least weigh 20 pounds more after a few months. for a former pro BB he should be ashamed
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he is OK. hes like my size or maybe just a little bigger. I mostly train for power and strength so thats why Im not bigger. If I trained bodybuilder style and not like a powerlifting badass, Id at least weigh 20 pounds more after a few months. for a former pro BB he should be ashamed
someone delete this gimmick
He's too obvious...
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/AKR44/AKRsideabs2.jpg)
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he is OK. hes like my size or maybe just a little bigger. I mostly train for power and strength so thats why Im not bigger. If I trained bodybuilder style and not like a powerlifting badass, Id at least weigh 20 pounds more after a few months. for a former pro BB he should be ashamed
that might be the dumbest post ive ever read....
if you trained like a bodybuilder...youd look like a bodybuilder correct?
so chris cook no longer trains like a bodybuilder....so why should he look like one now?
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that might be the dumbest post ive ever read....
if you trained like a bodybuilder...youd look like a bodybuilder correct?
so chris cook no longer trains like a bodybuilder....so why should he look like one now?
meltdown...
just admit Cook is all drugs.
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meltdown...
just admit Cook is all drugs.
of course he is...im nor melting at all...
im just saying that the average gym twink cant become a national level competitor if he "did a little juice and trained a little harder"
cook was juiced to the gills....now he is not. the pics prove that. but i would assume he doesnt train the same either....
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of course he is...im nor melting at all...
im just saying that the average gym twink cant become a national level competitor if he "did a little juice and trained a little harder"
cook was juiced to the gills....now he is not. the pics prove that. but i would assume he doesnt train the same either....
You answered it yourself, lol...
the average gym twink cant become a national level competitor if he "did a little juice and trained a little harder" but if he juiced to the gills like Chris Cook he could!! lo;l
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What a genetic... Still looking huge...
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wow strong arms
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he would easily win Mr. Get Big looking the way he does today,,,
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You answered it yourself, lol...
the average gym twink cant become a national level competitor if he "did a little juice and trained a little harder" but if he juiced to the gills like Chris Cook he could!! lo;l
Sure.....you put Phil,Dexter, Melvin to shame....if you just had their cycle...you be there...beating all of them...DREAM ON .......IT FEELS GOOD...... ::)
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You answered it yourself, lol...
the average gym twink cant become a national level competitor if he "did a little juice and trained a little harder" but if he juiced to the gills like Chris Cook he could!! lo;l
hmmmm LOL...i think not. i know plenty of jakasses that pump 1000mgs of test, slin, stay on 8 months out of the year....
nothing more than larger than average gym rats....
but why are we arguing about cook? he looked like crap even when he was juiced to the gills!!!!
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Sure.....you put Phil,Dexter, Melvin to shame....if you just had their cycle...you be there...beating all of them...DREAM ON .......IT FEELS GOOD...... ::)
Juicing from 17-18 on for years, turn pro at what? 27-28 after ten years juicing? No problem pal, anyone can do it. ;D ;D
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....
Well, the problem dear "EVIL ANGEL" is, that without your drugs you would be just a loser like anyone else.... :D It's a vicious cycle.
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Sure.....you put Phil,Dexter, Melvin to shame....if you just had their cycle...you be there...beating all of them...DREAM ON .......IT FEELS GOOD...... ::)
really, these beta dogs are so insecure. THey want to think less of others so they can feel comfortable doing nothing.
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very huge calves though.
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very huge calves though.
Typical MMA champion!
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some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....
quote of the day
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
Hahahah...brutal self ownage. ;D
"Sarcastic" oh dear.
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Hahahah...brutal self ownage. ;D
"Sarcastic" oh dear.
lol, i thought the same thing.
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Well, the problem dear "EVIL ANGEL" is, that without your drugs you would be just a loser like anyone else.... :D It's a vicious cycle.
It is not my opinion is a fact. Genetic and Structure are the two most important factors in the success of any athlete. If you really think that you will be a PRO if you take huge amounts of anabolics you are Delusional. Very few know more about Anabolics the David Palumbo. With all the Knowlodge he would never be able to compete the Likes of Dexter and Phil and Melvin....could not even turn Pro. Somemany think that IF this IF that they will be playing in the NFL or MLB sure sure....DREAM ON....Like I said Drugs are a part of the equation....but it does not make you.
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It is not my opinion is a fact. Genetic and Structure are the two most important factors in the success of any athlete. If you really think that you will be a PRO if you take huge amounts of anabolics you are Delusional. Very few know more about Anabolics the David Palumbo. With all the Knowlodge he would never be able to compete the Likes of Dexter and Phil and Melvin....could not even turn Pro. Somemany think that IF this IF that they will be playing in the NFL or MLB sure sure....DREAM ON....Like I said Drugs are a part of the equation....but it does not make you.
The funny thing ist that on a german board today almost exactly the same discussion was going on. And the guys agreed, that in none other sport the influence of drugs is bigger than in BB. In baseball, football, basketball, soccer, the main factor is the technique, and drugs have no influence on the technique. So these guys may take a lil test to speed up recovery and maybe some uppers when they're tired, and that's it.
In BB it's all about muscle mass. AND THE DRUGS HAVE A HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUGE INFLUENCE ON MUSCLE MASS, UNLIKE ON THE TECHNIQUE LIKE IN ANY OTHER SPORT.
Compare the world records of the 100 m sprinters of the last 50 years. In 1968 the world record over 100 metres was 9,95 seconds, in 2007 the world record was 9,74. You see, with all the drugs and stuff going on over the last 40 years, the world record in this sport got only faster by 0,2 seconds!!!!!! As you can tell, in sports like this (athletics) drugs have a very very minor influence, here indeed WORLD CLASS ATHLETES maybe can get better by 5 % because of drugs because the main thing is the technique.
Now check out Bodybuilding. Compare the Bodybuilders from the 60s with the Bodybuilders of today. Is the difference also only 5 %, or equivalent to 0,2 seconds in running????? ;D
NO, BECAUSE BODYBUILDING IS ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS THE ONLY "SPORT" WHERE DRUGS PLAY THE MAIN PART, THERE IS NO SUCH THING LIKE TECHNIQUE OR TALENT!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS ABOUT GAINING MUSCLES, AND MUSCLES ARE GAINED BY TAKING DRUGS!!!!
You are right with the importance of structure. As you can see a guy like Kovac or Palumbo with a shitty structure will always look like shit, skinny, fat or jacked. But they can also gain tons of muscle due to drugs, as much muscle as Mr. O. ;)
:-*
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Psychologically is difficult to accept that you are just average or not as good. To think that the difference between you and a PRO athlete is all drugs. Make your existence easier to accept. The fact is Drugs are important part as long as they are use by someone that is already genetic gifted and structurally sound. That with combination of diet and training will produce Great Athlete.
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Psychologically is difficult to accept that you are just average or not as good. To think that the difference between you and a PRO athlete is all drugs. Make your existence easier to accept. The fact is Drugs are important part as long as they are use by someone that is already genetic gifted and structurally sound. That with combination of diet and training will produce Great Athlete.
But you have to admit that the influence of drugs is in Bodybuilding bigger than in any other sports, where you have to have technical skills.
Drugs enhance muscle mass, endurance and strength. The only thing they can't enhance is the technique, and in Bodybuilding there is no such thing as a technique. (-> ALL DRUGS ;))
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Psychologically is difficult to accept that you are just average or not as good. To think that the difference between you and a PRO athlete is all drugs. Make your existence easier to accept. The fact is Drugs are important part as long as they are use by someone that is already genetic gifted and structurally sound. That with combination of diet and training will produce Great Athlete.
This is the bottom line. Compare a drug free bodybuilder with insane genetics, to a bodybuilder with average gentetcis who uses tons of juice, slin, IGF and GH and you will quickly see how important drugs are.
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But you have to admit that the influence of drugs is in Bodybuilding bigger than in any other sports, where you have to have technical skills.
You may be right. But don't forget Kovacs will never be able to look like Melvin, Arnold, Ronnie and so on...Genetics are the most important factor in BB.
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You may be right. But don't forget Kovacs will never be able to look like Melvin, Arnold, Ronnie and so on...Genetics are the most important factor in BB.
Palumbo and Kovacs are special cases...
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You may be right. But don't forget Kovacs will never be able to look like Melvin, Arnold, Ronnie and so on...Genetics are the most important factor in BB.
Sure, I've added this in my first post. They still can gain tons of muscles with drugs, the shitty structure of course remains.
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Juice is SO GODDAMN mighty!!! :o
Quoted for truth :(
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
This rap might have carried a bit more weight if we hadn't all seen pics like this one:
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The ability to gain muscle mass with hormone stimulation is also a genetic factor that can not be forgotten. Several cases of huge use with very limited gain are well known. We may discuss it all day, but it all comes down to Genetics and structure.
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This rap might have carried a bit more weight if we hadn't all seen pics like this one:
Wow....again if you think you can look like Kevin...taking ton of juice....you have no understanding of genetics and genetic response. Kevin may weight below 190lb but his muscle insertions and structure are still evidently superior to an average lifter.
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This is the bottom line. Compare a drug free bodybuilder with insane genetics, to a bodybuilder with average gentetcis who uses tons of juice, slin, IGF and GH and you will quickly see how important drugs are.
statement of the year...Phil Heath was a decent size middle weight with very good genetics taking what the average guy in the gym takes...Now put him under Cutlers wing and see what can happen...
Flex Wheeler was known for having the best genetics in the sport...This guy's physique was actually a fcking joke back when he used to shave "flex" into the back of his head..Skinny with tiny joints......Just another middle weight with really good genetics taking average amounts of gear...That is until "someone" got him under there wing...
King Kamali has some of the worst genetics of any pro....But guess what, he is a pro...Now that his body is not really responding to hormones, he is being exposed what he always was...JUST ABOUT ALL FUCKING DRUGS...
Its always the dipshits that have there cocks so deep in the HGH/Slin/steroids ass that will stick up for drugs until it all comes tumbling down...
The truth is, you could walk down the streets of Harlem and pick a dozen kids playing hoop under the age of 16, put them under the wing of a Jay Cutler or Joe Weider and if they respond to hormones, they will be a top level bodybuilder by the time they reach there mid to late 20's(of course with dedication)...And it will all come down to how they respond to hormones....Because if they don't respond to hormones, they will just be another skinny middle weight with awesome genetics....So anyone who says drug plays a tiny role is a fcking douch bag of Tom Tognelli proportions and is living in denial..(These people are always the ones who are competing themselves or selling it)
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Palumbo and Kovacs are special cases...
No they’re not. If you overdose or otherwise don’t know what you’re doing you’re going to get a bad result. Nothing special about that. It's not as if either of them would have ever put on the size they did naturally. ::)
This rap might have carried a bit more weight if we hadn't all seen pics like this one:
LOL So true.
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"evil angel" - what a hardcore name!!
my inferiority complex suffering friend,
ifbb pros use something more than "genetics and structure" as evidenced by the multiple photos in this thread.
hope this helps
The ability to gain muscle mass with hormone stimulation is also a genetic factor that can not be forgotten. Several cases of huge use with very limited gain are well known. We may discuss it all day, but it all comes down to Genetics and structure.
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Cook was livin the dream now he is livin for health. ;D
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Wow....again if you think you can look like Kevin...taking ton of juice....you have no understanding of genetics and genetic response. Kevin may weight below 190lb but his muscle insertions and structure are still evidently superior to an average lifter.
You seem to be changing your tune as the thread progresses. First, it was genetics; now, it's genetics and genetic response. In what other sport is reponse to drugs an integral part of the equation? The point is that without the drugs Kevin, competing against steroid users, wouldn't have been anything in bodybuilding.
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You seem to be changing your tune as the thread progresses. First, it was genetics; now, it's genetics and genetic response. In what other sport is reponse to drugs an integral part of the equation? The point is that without the drugs Kevin, competing against steroid users, wouldn't have been anything in bodybuilding.
Without drugs, nobody would have been anything in bodybuilding. The sport Bodybuilding would probably not even exist without drugs. :D
Sprinters without drugs would run the 100 m maybe half a second slower.
Nowhere the impact of drugs is bigger than in BB.
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Without drugs, nobody would have been anything in bodybuilding. The sport Bodybuilding would probably not even exist without drugs. :D
Sprinters without drugs would run the 100 m maybe half a second slower.
Nowhere the impact of drugs is bigger than in BB.
This is about as good as it gets without chemical help.
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In the same logic how much do you think steroids improved Roger,Bonds,Palmeiro and so on. Do you think your averege ball player could play at their level if they have the same amount of Drugs.
Hmmm, well it enlarged Bonds' head size by more than 2-3% and he went from 16 HR his rookie year to setting the record of 73 HR 15 years later. If his body was capable of putting 40 pounds of muscle on in one summer and hitting all those jacks, why didn't he? His highest total before that was 49 HR. I'd say the bulk and strength gained improved him quite a bit, just like all the people who blow up on juice and deflate after they stop. Is it a coincidence guys like Cook and Wheeler look normal after stopping their outrageous cycles? You'll see when you stop juicing.
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Hmmm, well it enlarged Bonds' head size by more than 2-3% and he went from 16 HR his rookie year to setting the record of 73 HR 15 years later. If his body was capable of putting 40 pounds of muscle on in one summer and hitting all those jacks, why didn't he? His highest total before that was 49 HR. I'd say the bulk and strength gained improved him quite a bit, just like all the people who blow up on juice and deflate after they stop. Is it a coincidence guys like Cook and Wheeler look normal after stopping their outrageous cycles? You'll see when you stop juicing.
maybe Barry took a lot of extra BP the year he hit 73 dingers?
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You may be right. But don't forget Kovacs will never be able to look like Melvin, Arnold, Ronnie and so on...Genetics are the most important factor in BB.
Dude your in fuccking denial and are obviously a heavy juicer. Someone with shit genetics (kamali) is still a pro, therefore drugs are more important than Genetics, and can be used to compensate for inferior genetics.
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i have to sometimes wonder about the knowledge of some.. cook is not training to be a bodybuilder.. he is training in mma.. he wrestle, box, cardio ect ect.. yet, many on this thread automatically start the same busllshit of "look what happens without drugs".. get a clue.. he is not training or eating for any size.. he is trying to be lighter and limiting his weight training so he can spend more time in mma training.. i would think that would be the common sense part of this thread.. do drugs make a difference.. hell yes.. but, trying to trim down, not doing a "bodybuilding" weight training routine and spending most of your time rolling around on a mat will drop your size.. i would hope all could agree to that.. ::)
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This is about as good as it gets without chemical help.
yea, thats good but hes not the best by far.
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Hmmm, well it enlarged Bonds' head size by more than 2-3% and he went from 16 HR his rookie year to setting the record of 73 HR 15 years later. If his body was capable of putting 40 pounds of muscle on in one summer and hitting all those jacks, why didn't he? His highest total before that was 49 HR. I'd say the bulk and strength gained improved him quite a bit, just like all the people who blow up on juice and deflate after they stop. Is it a coincidence guys like Cook and Wheeler look normal after stopping their outrageous cycles? You'll see when you stop juicing.
Bodybuilders are in a methodical diet,training and supplementation program that for certain will stop once you stop competition. No bodybuilder is going to be Lifting as heavy or eating 500g of protein a day and talking supplements when he is done. So no only they stop juicing they stop eating as much, taking the same amounts of supplements and even their training is significantly decrease. Muscle is a luxury that your body has not need for it. Once the stimulus is stop the Body will rapidly decrease the extra muscle mass that has absolutely no biological function
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Psychologically is difficult to accept that you are just average or not as good. To think that the difference between you and a PRO athlete is all drugs. Make your existence easier to accept. The fact is Drugs are important part as long as they are use by someone that is already genetic gifted and structurally sound. That with combination of diet and training will produce Great Athlete.
dude you are truly stupid if you believe without steroids you or any other competitor is worth a shit or any better than the average dude who works out..............hope this helps :-*
bench
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Bodybuilders are in a methodical diet,training and supplementation program that for certain will stop once you stop competition. No bodybuilder is going to be Lifting as heavy or eating 500g of protein a day and talking supplements when he is done. So no only they stop juicing they stop eating as much, taking the same amounts of supplements and even their training is significantly decrease. Muscle is a luxury that your body has not need for it. Once the stimulus is stop the Body will rapidly decrease the extra muscle mass that has absolutely no biological function
agreed. And the main factor in this program you mentioned is the juice. As simple as that. It certainly does not work alone, but without it most of your 500g of proteins will go right into the toilet.
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The ability to gain muscle mass with hormone stimulation is also a genetic factor that can not be forgotten. Several cases of huge use with very limited gain are well known. We may discuss it all day, but it all comes down to Genetics and structure.
Agreed. If you have shit genetics, you'll only magnify those genetics. Take my gym for example. ;) Middle age carpenters ingesting a bunch of test/gh, pretending to be bodybuilders, after watching a Jay Cutler video. I feel bad for these folk. I'd have more respect for clowns like that, if they just trained natural and actually accomplished something on their own. Fact is, most people are too weak to do much naturally.
Unless you have the genetics to support drug use, please...don't use steroids. It's honestly hard to look at half these douchebags on a daily basis....like I'm about to do now at Gold's. Land of the delusionites.
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dude you are truly stupid if you believe without steroids you or any other competitor is worth a shit or any better than the average dude who works out..............hope this helps :-*
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Ok ....again I don't want to make you sad....you are right ...you would look like Phil Heath if you take the same cycle as his. thank you for helping me.
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yeah, like doubling your muscular mass/body weight can be achieved with "great genetics" and training "bodybuilder/hardcore style" only hahahaha.
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Agreed. If you have shit genetics, you'll only magnify those genetics. Take my gym for example. ;) Middle age carpenters ingesting a bunch of test/gh, pretending to be bodybuilders, after watching a Jay Cutler video. I feel bad for these folk. I'd have more respect for clowns like that, if they just trained natural and actually accomplished something on their own. Fact is, most people are too weak to do much naturally.
Unless you have the genetics to support drug use, please...don't use steroids. It's honestly hard to look at half these douchebags on a daily basis....like I'm about to do now at Gold's. Land of the delusionites.
Could not have said better.........
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Ok ....again I don't want to make you sad....you are right ...you would look like Phil Heath if you take the same cycle as his. thank you for helping me.
No, YOU are right. You would look only 3-5 % worse without drugs. ;D
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No, YOU are right. You would look only 3-5 % worse without drugs. ;D
Never said that.......???
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yea i have to laugh at most juice heads. I see them all the time working out and its a huge laugh when I am pushing more weight than they are. they're all like, 'WTF? HOW IS THIS HAPPENEING??' and I just look at them and laugh. you see, you dont need steroids to be hardcore. I am hardcore. I live my life hardcore. I eat, sleep and breath hardcore. when i lift those weights I am screaming my head off and throwing it around like it was nothing. That is hardcore and I didnt have to cheat and be a pathetic juice head to do it.
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OK, my last post to that topic.
ROIDS AREN'T EVERYTHING, BUT WITHOUT ROIDS EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOTHING!!!
Hope we all can agree on that.
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OK, my last post to that topic.
ROIDS AREN'T EVERYTHING, BUT WITHOUT ROIDS EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOTHING!!!
Hope we all can agree on that.
this is getbig
we don't agree here
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The really sad thing is that most bodybuilders believe the same things about drugs and genetics. How would anyone know what his potential to grow muscle is? We know what our structure is and muscle length but that is about it. We have no idea about what everyone labels 'genetics'. The so-called 'hard gainers' apparently don't have the right 'genetics'. Seems to me these concepts originated to console those who can't get big.
A good test would be to take a bunch of small 'hard gainers' and see what happens if they get the pro supplements.
The formula for hypertrophy has always been stimulus + nutrition + rest = larger muscles. Many here assume if you include drugs in this formula then larger muscles will result. Where is the evidence that this is true? Anecdotally, I have witnessed one guy at my gym who used steroids and didn't get any bigger that I could see. How does anyone explain that? If drugs work then everyone should get much bigger on those drugs, assuming that these takers also trained hard and ate more food.
The discussion in this thread resembles a religious and not a scientific debate.
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All that Tapout gear in 1 place!! The Horror!!! :-[
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Ok ....again I don't want to make you sad....you are right ...you would look like Phil Heath if you take the same cycle as his. thank you for helping me.
well answear me this. Since you say genetics are the biggest factor, IF Phil Heath was completly natural and Myself or someone else with average genetics was able to juice for 10-15 years who would win in a bodybuilding comp?
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Chris nearly died for you bitches!
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Never said that.......???
actually you are the only dumbass on here saying that
"drugs can make you like like phil heath"
no one else has said that.
hope this helps.
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Chris nearly died for you bitches!
Dizzam I forgot about that disaster!!
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actually you are the only dumbass on here saying that
"drugs can make you like like phil heath"
no one else has said that.
hope this helps.
Please ....You can be that dump ....Have you heard about sarcasm....
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well answear me this. Since you say genetics are the biggest factor, IF Phil Heath was completly natural and Myself or someone else with average genetics was able to juice for 10-15 years who would win in a bodybuilding comp?
That is a very good comperasion. Hypothetically considering the the average person has a great response to elevated hormonal levels. The average guy using juice will probably be heavier than Phil but not necessary bigger. Phil arms and legs would be bigger due to his genetics. His waist and insertions and structure would also be superior. Considering that both are in the same condition Phil would still win....
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That is a very good comperasion. Hypothetically considering the the average person has a great response to elevated hormonal levels. The average guy using juice will probably be heavier than Phil but not necessary bigger. Phil arms and legs would be bigger due to his genetics. His waist and insertions and structure would also be superior. Considering that both are in the same condition Phil would still win....
So your saying a guy like Heath as a natural would beat a guy like Thetrue adonis who had access to infinite amounts of GH, Slin, and steroids for 10-15 years?
What about me Could I beat a natural Heath if I was able to use any amount of GH, Slin and Steroids for 15 years?
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So your saying a guy like Heath as a natural would beat a guy like Thetrue adonis who had access to infinite amounts of GH, Slin, and steroids for 10-15 years?
What about me Could I beat a natural Heath if I was able to use any amount of GH, Slin and Steroids for 15 years?
looking at your pic you dont seem to have the best genetics. skinny legs, no lats, arms are lacking and no traps. decent chest and thats about it. nope, you couldnt be a pro even if you cheated and juiced up like those idiots do
wow i am also laughing at your barbed wire tatoo....HHAOAOAHAHOAHAH A.. dont you feel stupid now????
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Chris nearly died for you bitches!
LMAO!
You have a future here.
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looking at your pic you dont seem to have the best genetics. skinny legs, no lats, arms are lacking and no traps. decent chest and thats about it. nope, you couldnt be a pro even if you cheated and juiced up like those idiots do
wow i am also laughing at your barbed wire tatoo....HHAOAOAHAHOAHAH A.. dont you feel stupid now????
Actually I said I had average genetics, and asked if Myself or Adonis Or any other guy with average genetics could beat a guy like Heath if Heath was a lifetime natural, and we had unlimited access to Gh, Slin and Steroids.
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Actually I said I had average genetics, and asked if Myself or Adonis Or any other guy with average genetics could beat a guy like Heath if Heath was a lifetime natural, and we had unlimited access to Gh, Slin and Steroids.
Phil would win
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friends,,you are making me proud! only took me 2 yeras but you are making me proud in this thread
bravo
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im getting more and more convinced pro bbing is all drugs.
bodybuilding IS all drugs,,,pro bodybuilding is only part of general bodybuilding whixh is all drugs,,the ones who use them the more consistantly and the longer as in more years,,,get a better finished product,,put in good fram to the mix and yuo got a top amatuer,,,put in good muscle shape and symetry in most cases till the 2000s and you got top professional
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Actually I said I had average genetics, and asked if Myself or Adonis Or any other guy with average genetics could beat a guy like Heath if Heath was a lifetime natural, and we had unlimited access to Gh, Slin and Steroids.
You would kill any lifetime natural
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There is a 9 missing. Make that 95%. Juice is 95% in BB.
very good
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He's probably still bigger than half you guys calling him small. Post up some pics if you think you're bigger.
But yeah, all drugs.
no ,,he is tall guy with average size little toned due to the continuation of the intake of hormones,,,he is on have no doubt about it ,,he just a guy that was all drugs same as other 80% of bodybuilders and bodybuilding
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Juice is 99% of BB. 3 Giant cycles and anyone can look like Phil Heath. 4.5 Huge Cycles and you can give Jay a run. Genetics are a idiotic Myth. Nutrition and Diet have nothing to due with it. Prove of it are the fake weights use by Ronnie and Dorian. Same goes for Roger the Rocket ...10 Kits and you got a shot to break all MLB records.... ::)
no you need a little more as in the ability to tolerate those drugs and the ability to train while on them and eat,,but generaly speaking YES the average bodybuilding if given the time lets say phil heath been on drugs since he is a drug head ,,,lets say you also been on drugs since age 19-20 and had the acess to oil and bodybuilding was all your life and you were black.....by age 28 you too would be able to poses a pro card or at the worst case top national level competitor fighting for a pro card like putnam,,,the ones with average genetic repond end up like tropopin and publumbo depneding how bad theire genetic respond is,,,but they usually never get pro card because their muscle respond is not as good and doesnt keep the symetry and development as good as pro symetry and development should be when winning the card
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Take any bodybuilder off the juice and he will lose most of his size and strength, put a random man on juice and he wont necessarily become a bodybuilder.
The drugs play a huge role at enhancing, but they first need something good to enhance.
(in case anyone missed it,I agree with his point and I detect his sarcasm)
any one can become national competitor depending on the hormones he uses and wether they are legit human grade or not!
any onec an become a professional if they have good symetry and muscle shape and today you can throw the symetry out the window as in mid 2000s you dont even need that,,
foundation is good to have and thats why some bodybuilders still maintain good shape even if smaller past bodybuilding,,,80% not but 20% walk around with good physiqe because they had foundation ,,,this generation of bodybuuiloders by thw way is dissapearing
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Hes still Alot bigger then the avrage gym dude though
the average gym dude you mean joseph from the local florist shop.....he is not bigger proportionally than any gym rat on hormones i have ever witnessed,,,he is same size as many gym rates that use some test and dianabol at times,,,he is average size this is the definition of average size for a guy on hormones,,,its not bad but it comes to show you that bodybuildng is ALL DRUGS
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
Milos says anything is possible if you believe enough. Only limitation is your mind!
Accept NO limitations as a limitation! IF YOU THINK SOMETHING - YOU BELIEVE IN IT...
If you think you will fail - you certainly will....
you are letting your mind set limitations for you - so simply DON'T TAKE IT...
You can do anything if you put your mind in right state.
SKY IS THE LIMIT!
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The formula for hypertrophy has always been stimulus + nutrition + rest = larger muscles. Many here assume if you include drugs in this formula then larger muscles will result. Where is the evidence that this is true?
LOL, biggest idiot on getbig right here.
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Phil would win
Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?
My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,
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Drugs are the biggest factors! Exactly!!
Ive been saying this the whole time.
For those of you who disagree and say that just because a man takes steriods doesnt necessarily mean he will get huge, then explain to me why most women who juice respond very well? Is it because they have more testorone? Wrong!! Its because of the amount they use!!
Steriods do work!!
Im glad gh15 is on here to explain things.
gh15, please explain why most women who juice respond very well especially when women dont produce enough testosterone naturally? Look at the female bodybuilders/figure/fitness/female athletes? We know they take just enough to give them the figure they want...wether they want a figure/fitness/bodybuilder physique .
What are men that juice doing wrong if they arent making any progress?
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Some of you miss the point , drugs are the biggest factor because you cant be HUGE and RIPPED without them.
BUT just about ANYONE can get them , we have all seen MANY bodybuilders that abuse TONS of drugs and look like shit (Kamali,Paulombo etc).
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Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?
My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,
you simply need to take picture of phil heath from age 18 -20 and you will see its nothing more than drugs,,he is very small guy with out drugs when it comes to maintinaing single digit ,,,double digit he may be 170lb on a good wet day,,one look into phil heath eyes tell you the whole story about HOW MUCH DRUGS HE IS ON ,,,,the fella a walking pharmacy as of now and you can see the high look in his eyes as sad and as mad as lift studios get out of this it doesnt matter the fact that heath is drugatize to the 10th degree and i wouldnt rull out cocaine! so mr lift studios need to be careful with his support!
now to the main point,,,you naturally and phil heath naturally would be proportionally similar and his muscle bellies wouldnt be a factor beside the arms which will be slightly bigger as in 16-17 inches naturally which is very good infact extremly good for natural,,the thing is when phil heath take the juice and you take the juice he will most likley respond a lot better and thus can go for pro card and you cant ,,but even with all the juice in the world and all the other drugs he is on ,,you probably still have better upper torse than heath,,very very weak and narrow upper torse that only by thickness and condition advanced
no drugs = no phil heath,,nto even local competition win!,,no drugs = no bodybuilding
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Drugatize!!!
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Mabey Phil would beat me, but would a natural Heath beat a guy like Whateva is he had juiced and used everything under the sun for 15 years and Heath had not?
My point is drugs are the biggest factor not genetics,
you have to understand that a natural Phil Heath is a lightweight...If he trained all his life natural and ate 500grams of protein a day for 15 years, he would end up being a contest shape middle weight at the end of the 15 years...Same as Flex Wheeler...These two guys are basically the same...
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Drugs are the biggest factors! Exactly!!
Ive been saying this the whole time.
For those of you who disagree and say that just because a man takes steriods doesnt necessarily mean he will get huge, then explain to me why most women who juice respond very well? Is it because they have more testorone? Wrong!! Its because of the amount they use!!
Steriods do work!!
Im glad gh15 is on here to explain things.
gh15, please explain why most women who juice respond very well especially when women dont produce enough testosterone naturally? Look at the female bodybuilders/figure/fitness/female athletes? We know they take just enough to give them the figure they want...wether they want a figure/fitness/bodybuilder physique .
What are men that juice doing wrong if they arent making any progress?
there was this woman here a year ago or so some competetive blondie that was arguing gh15 and talked about how much her flax seed oil helped her,,,she didn talk about the testosterone oxandrolone halotestin growth ,,,she didnt mention that more than half of those women are cocaine addicts that find a way from being wild on the narc department to a way of being hooked up on bodybuilding add the hormones and make their bodies manly,,
the dose is important both for woman and for men depending on their lean muscle mass,,but mark the words im tellin you here,,,
bodybuilders are financially stable! and if not their families are! the bodybuilder always aim at colecting the next best thing and ofcourse what always work for him or her,,,its like collecting stamps for a 10 year old,,the bodybuilder and to less extent the power lifter,,always look for ways to add more products into the arsenal in their chase for the 20+ inch arms and the over all development that fail among the ones who are less gifter structure wize,,,plaumbo had shitty structure,,,phil heath has no good structure but a freak and that is enough for this day and age,,greg k was a mess full of hormones in unbeliavble doses,,yet all those still sucked because they didnt have the structure,,,they didnt have the muscle shape,,,they lack tremmmmmendesly in the symety department,,,
in general all bodybuilders develp from the use of drugs,,,the more femiliar you are with drugs ,,,the more consistent you are with drugs ,,,the more you collect them and eat and conssitent in your training....the more youll grow
females are no diff,,the redicoulous claim that female can get down to single digit anything and maintain any mass on them is a BIG LIE,,women fade away with no drugs into the 90-100 lb zone when in true single digits,,women inorder to build muscle mass and get down to single digit take a lot of hormones ,,take a lot of estrogen blockers,,they also use a lot of testosterone which is the only natural hormone that distinguished between male and female,,,
all females in bodybuilding and to be honest figure are = males,,they all use testoerone in some form ,,they wouldnt grow otherwize ,,general public dont see it and cant open their brain to such phenomenon ...they think its flax seed or some oxandrolone,,,in reality a girl like kaethy uses everything under the sun ,,,she is practically a male and so is her clit,,,a girl like monica uses everything under the son ...that includes narcotics,,,and a girl like kim used ENOURMOUS DOSES AND PRODUICTS EQUAL TO ANY MALE BODYBUILDERS OUT THERE
women can not be men with out doing exactly what men are doing only to a higher level since they start as women!
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statement of the year...Phil Heath was a decent size middle weight with very good genetics taking what the average guy in the gym takes...Now put him under Cutlers wing and see what can happen...
Flex Wheeler was known for having the best genetics in the sport...This guy's physique was actually a fcking joke back when he used to shave "flex" into the back of his head..Skinny with tiny joints......Just another middle weight with really good genetics taking average amounts of gear...That is until "someone" got him under there wing...
King Kamali has some of the worst genetics of any pro....But guess what, he is a pro...Now that his body is not really responding to hormones, he is being exposed what he always was...JUST ABOUT ALL FUCKING DRUGS...
Its always the dipshits that have there cocks so deep in the HGH/Slin/steroids ass that will stick up for drugs until it all comes tumbling down...
The truth is, you could walk down the streets of Harlem and pick a dozen kids playing hoop under the age of 16, put them under the wing of a Jay Cutler or Joe Weider and if they respond to hormones, they will be a top level bodybuilder by the time they reach there mid to late 20's(of course with dedication)...And it will all come down to how they respond to hormones....Because if they don't respond to hormones, they will just be another skinny middle weight with awesome genetics....So anyone who says drug plays a tiny role is a fcking douch bag of Tom Tognelli proportions and is living in denial..(These people are always the ones who are competing themselves or selling it)
the only guys not responding to hormones are those taking bunk shit, now if your genetic stucture sucks then no drug on this planet can help
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the only guys not responding to hormones are those taking bunk shit, now if your genetic stucture sucks then no drug on this planet can help
No...I know a few guys who can take 3 Grams of legit gear and only make min/gains...Hell look at Mike Avilla...Even guys like the Rhino...Although Rhino is pretty big, he diff/doesn't respond well to gear...Rumor had it that he played around with over 5 grams at any given time...
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Juice is SO GODDAMN mighty!!! :o
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I have mad respect for chris and was hanging around and trained with him when he was competing as both a amatuer and pro.....when chris was a bber he ate,slept,trained,breathed and lived like a BBer..so duh he looked like a BBer..
POINT IS-------------------you cant look like a pro BBer and train to be a ufc fighter.no matter what your doin..gear,gh or whatever.............
Now he is a fighter................. ........................ ........................ .............''''''' get over it..
Glad to see he is doing what he wants...
peace D
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I have mad respect for chris and was hanging around and trained with him when he was competing as both a amatuer and pro.....when chris was a bber he ate,slept,trained,breathed and lived like a BBer..so duh he looked like a BBer..
POINT IS-------------------you cant look like a pro BBer and train to be a ufc fighter.no matter what your doin..gear,gh or whatever.............
Now he is a fighter................. ........................ ........................ .............''''''' get over it..
Glad to see he is doing what he wants...
peace D
Since you know him so well, can you tell us why he went on being a figther?
I always thought that most of the people who do that have some mental disorder, it takes nothing more than one good hit to the wrong place and all the money you have wont help you.
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No...I know a few guys who can take 3 Grams of legit gear and only make min/gains...Hell look at Mike Avilla...Even guys like the Rhino...Although Rhino is pretty big, he diff/doesn't respond well to gear...Rumor had it that he played around with over 5 grams at any given time...
yep your right..if any tool thinks they can be a good pro if they just do alot of gear then they are a fucken retard..you have to have the right kind of genetics to process all the gear your doing and ya you need good muscle ty ins,bellies good muscle shape and so on ...that is also genetic................. ........................ .....................am i saying gear doesnt play a huge role ..NO..but if you do not have the genetics to be a good Ber then its simple you DON'T and you never will have no matter how much shit you do...........
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Since you know him so well, can you tell us why he went on being a figther?
I always thought that most of the people who do that have some mental disorder, it takes nothing more than one good hit to the wrong place and all the money you have wont help you.
your right bro its a intense sport..Iam friends with a couple top world champions that fight in japan and in the ufc....I cant tell you why Chris made that choice.I am sure he has his reasons..But I do know that Chris has allways liked and practiced various martial arts since I have known him. and before.
peace
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yep your right..if any tool thinks they can be a good pro if they just do alot of gear then they are a fucken retard..you have to have the right kind of genetics to process all the gear your doing and ya you need good muscle ty ins,bellies good muscle shape and so on ...that is also genetic................. ........................ .....................am i saying gear doesnt play a huge role ..NO..but if you do not have the genetics to be a good Ber then its simple you DON'T and you never have no matter how much shit you do...........
i agree partially with what you say,,but then you have the following:
tropopin,,,palumbo,,,greg k ,,,kamali,,all did nationals ,, 50% of them actually got pro cards,,,kenny got pro card too,,mnay others got to natuional competitors,,,i mean take a look at tropopin muscle shape and tie ins and all ...it is all DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS....so do me a favor put it this way:
you need muscle shape and symery to win a pro card ,,,you need phenominal respond to hormones ,,,you need good strcuture,,all of the above are needed,,,but you also need lots of luck ,,,no injuries,,,LOTS OF DRUGS HUMAN GRADE ONES,,lots of money to spend on those drugs ,,,lots of connection ,,,lots of ability to order those drugs with out getting in trouble,,,lots of disiplne to not become the local town drug dealer,,,lots of disipline to not be a bouncer and start selling x to 18 year olds in clubs,,,lots of foundation from working few years naturally and truely natually,,,you need all this and then the courage to get on stage with yoru underwear and pose and make sure you do everything right that includes the drug regimine,,
EVERY ONE CAN BECOME A NATIONAL COMPETITOR SEE PALUMBO AND TROPOIN ,,
ALMOST EVERY ONE THAT CAN TOLERATE THOSE DRUGS WELL AND KEEP THEIR SYMETRY AND MUSCLE SHAPE IS THERE TO BEGIN WITH CAN AND WILL BECOME A PROFESSIONAL IF STEP ON STAGE AND DEDICAtE ENOUGH TIME,,see stan ,,see cook,,see heath,,see priest,,see bobbie ,,the better conditioned/muscle ratio got it faster,,,the less better condition/muscle ratioe got it slower...but guess what .....they all got it
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i agree partially with what you say..
you need muscle shape and symery to win a pro card ,,,you need phenominal respond to hormones ,,,you need good strcuture,,all of the above are needed,,,
that is exactly what i said..we both know that......and without these qualities you will never be a top pro..especially not a top pro...
peace
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The funny thing ist that on a german board today almost exactly the same discussion was going on. And the guys agreed, that in none other sport the influence of drugs is bigger than in BB. In baseball, football, basketball, soccer, the main factor is the technique, and drugs have no influence on the technique. So these guys may take a lil test to speed up recovery and maybe some uppers when they're tired, and that's it.
In BB it's all about muscle mass. AND THE DRUGS HAVE A HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUGE INFLUENCE ON MUSCLE MASS, UNLIKE ON THE TECHNIQUE LIKE IN ANY OTHER SPORT.
Compare the world records of the 100 m sprinters of the last 50 years. In 1968 the world record over 100 metres was 9,95 seconds, in 2007 the world record was 9,74. You see, with all the drugs and stuff going on over the last 40 years, the world record in this sport got only faster by 0,2 seconds!!!!!! As you can tell, in sports like this (athletics) drugs have a very very minor influence, here indeed WORLD CLASS ATHLETES maybe can get better by 5 % because of drugs because the main thing is the technique.
Now check out Bodybuilding. Compare the Bodybuilders from the 60s with the Bodybuilders of today. Is the difference also only 5 %, or equivalent to 0,2 seconds in running????? ;D
NO, BECAUSE BODYBUILDING IS ALL DRUGS!!!!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS THE ONLY "SPORT" WHERE DRUGS PLAY THE MAIN PART, THERE IS NO SUCH THING LIKE TECHNIQUE OR TALENT!!!!!! BODYBUILDING IS ABOUT GAINING MUSCLES, AND MUSCLES ARE GAINED BY TAKING DRUGS!!!!
You are right with the importance of structure. As you can see a guy like Kovac or Palumbo with a shitty structure will always look like shit, skinny, fat or jacked. But they can also gain tons of muscle due to drugs, as much muscle as Mr. O. ;)
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great post
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Drugatize!!!
Haha, that's another new term. It's when you have surpassed simple hormonized state!
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very good
lol, thank you mr 15.
Looks like Planet Nibiru is closing in, i already feel much sharper in the head. ::)
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gh15 speaks the truth.
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evil angel,
let me guess you are currently on a heavy cycle of illegally obtained drugs,
and you are extra senesitive to the issue of your physique being the product
of drugs.
Please ....You can be that dump ....Have you heard about sarcasm....
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gh15 is the best part of getbig.
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I never thought he was that good anyway, better than alot of guys but the only reason he got his pro card was because of the totally watered down SHW devision. Put the physique he had when he turned pro onstage in the early 90's and he wouldn't even make the top 6 in the HW devision. He was pushed along cause of his looks. He had the POTENTIAL to be a good pro but he was way to "unfinished" to do any real damage on the pro scene.
sorry.
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ownage
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statement of the year...Phil Heath was a decent size middle weight with very good genetics taking what the average guy in the gym takes...Now put him under Cutlers wing and see what can happen...
Flex Wheeler was known for having the best genetics in the sport...This guy's physique was actually a fcking joke back when he used to shave "flex" into the back of his head..Skinny with tiny joints......Just another middle weight with really good genetics taking average amounts of gear...That is until "someone" got him under there wing...
King Kamali has some of the worst genetics of any pro....But guess what, he is a pro...Now that his body is not really responding to hormones, he is being exposed what he always was...JUST ABOUT ALL FUCKING DRUGS...
Its always the dipshits that have there cocks so deep in the HGH/Slin/steroids ass that will stick up for drugs until it all comes tumbling down...
The truth is, you could walk down the streets of Harlem and pick a dozen kids playing hoop under the age of 16, put them under the wing of a Jay Cutler or Joe Weider and if they respond to hormones, they will be a top level bodybuilder by the time they reach there mid to late 20's(of course with dedication)...And it will all come down to how they respond to hormones....Because if they don't respond to hormones, they will just be another skinny middle weight with awesome genetics....So anyone who says drug plays a tiny role is a fcking douch bag of Tom Tognelli proportions and is living in denial..(These people are always the ones who are competing themselves or selling it)
agree
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Drugs are the biggest factors! Exactly!!
Ive been saying this the whole time.
For those of you who disagree and say that just because a man takes steriods doesnt necessarily mean he will get huge, then explain to me why most women who juice respond very well? Is it because they have more testorone? Wrong!! Its because of the amount they use!!
Steriods do work!!
Im glad gh15 is on here to explain things.
gh15, please explain why most women who juice respond very well especially when women dont produce enough testosterone naturally? Look at the female bodybuilders/figure/fitness/female athletes? We know they take just enough to give them the figure they want...wether they want a figure/fitness/bodybuilder physique .
What are men that juice doing wrong if they arent making any progress?
Using your female example unequivocally proves that genetics are the #1 determining factor in whether or not someone can look like Ronnie, Heath, Leverone, etc. No amount of drugs will ever turn whomever the reigning Ms. Olympia is, into anything that comes close to rivaling the reigning Mr. Olympia. The females are limited genetically.
Do drugs work? Yes. Are they a necessary element in becoming a competitive pro? Yes. Could anyone who trains, eats & juices like Ronnie look like Ronnie? NO!
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I never thought he was that good anyway, better than alot of guys but the only reason he got his pro card was because of the totally watered down SHW devision. Put the physique he had when he turned pro onstage in the early 90's and he wouldn't even make the top 6 in the HW devision. He was pushed along cause of his looks. He had the POTENTIAL to be a good pro but he was way to "unfinished" to do any real damage on the pro scene.
sorry.
His looks played a big part in the support he got being a pro...He is the quinteissential All-America, corn fed blonde blue eyed good ol boy. A look that America still trusts and loves. It is a look that sells anything from cereal to cars to protein powders, better than any other.
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His looks played a big part in the support he got being a pro...He is the quinteissential All-America, corn fed blonde blue eyed good ol boy. A look that America still trusts and loves. It is a look that sells anything from cereal to cars to protein powders, better than any other.
nycbull, are you saying that bodybuilding pagents are not judged solely on the quality of the physique but instead on how well the contestant can promote a sponsor's product?
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His looks played a big part in the support he got being a pro...He is the quinteissential All-America, corn fed blonde blue eyed good ol boy. A look that America still trusts and loves. It is a look that sells anything from cereal to cars to protein powders, better than any other.
right on the money. I kinda felt bad for him when he turned pro cause I knew he was gonna get buried. Why not be honest with him and just say "look, you're a bug guy but you need a few more years"? Like I said he had a good physique but put him onstage with any of the top guys and he gets killed even at his best.
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Using your female example unequivocally proves that genetics are the #1 determining factor in whether or not someone can look like Ronnie, Heath, Leverone, etc. No amount of drugs will ever turn whomever the reigning Ms. Olympia is, into anything that comes close to rivaling the reigning Mr. Olympia. The females are limited genetically.
Do drugs work? Yes. Are they a necessary element in becoming a competitive pro? Yes. Could anyone who trains, eats & juices like Ronnie look like Ronnie? NO!
Am I missing something, here?
What's so spectacular about this guy's genetics?
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Look how long his fucking neck is.
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Am I missing something, here?
What's so spectacular about this guy's genetics?
not to stick up for him but to be fair he's sick as hell these days, I don't think he can eat anywhere near what he would have to to support any muscle and he's just got a ton of health problems. I know he did it to himself and all that jazz but you can't look at the physique he has there and say anything about BB....except that if you go nuts you might end up like that. :-\
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prince is an exceptional case,, if your unable to eat propper amounts of food because of a kidney disorder your goin to look like youve got aids no matter who you are even with the best genetics ever...
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still his neck is exceptionally long. just weird
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Using your female example unequivocally proves that genetics are the #1 determining factor in whether or not someone can look like Ronnie, Heath, Leverone, etc. No amount of drugs will ever turn whomever the reigning Ms. Olympia is, into anything that comes close to rivaling the reigning Mr. Olympia. The females are limited genetically.
Do drugs work? Yes. Are they a necessary element in becoming a competitive pro? Yes. Could anyone who trains, eats & juices like Ronnie look like Ronnie? NO!
Well said.... ;)
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gh15 is the best part of getbig.
Who is gh15? Never heard of him.
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Am I missing something, here?
What's so spectacular about this guy's genetics?
this should serve as example for you all,,bodybuilders in the big aspect of things are not big guys,,we are small to average size guys with minority of us being originally big asin tall and wide,,very few of us start at 6'1 230lb 10% very very few
you got to feel bad for his wife,,the girl liked muscle and size,,,she was the epidome of a girl that liked muscle and size and now what she is with? something i dont wish on my worst enemy,,she learned her lesson so to say,,this is why youll never hear him talk or write or say a word about bodybuilding the way he used to,,they both learned a big lesson of life
i called it SERVED BY GOD,,i also believe that she thought 100 times about cheating because those are mostly the type of girls youll find around us when you look into the core of things,,but as i said SERVED BY GOD also means stuck with what you have and learn what true love really is
this woman was SERVED BY GOD! (im god of hormones im talking here bout the real god :))
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this should serve as example for you all,,bodybuilders in the big aspect of things are not big guys,,we are small to average size guys with minority of us being originally big asin tall and wide,,very few of us start at 6'1 230lb 10% very very few
you got to feel bad for his wife,,the girl liked muscle and size,,,she was the epidome of a girl that liked muscle and size and now what she is something i dont with on my worst enemy,,she learned her lesson so to say,,this is why youll never hear him talk or write or say a word about bodybuilding the way he used to,,they both learned a big lesson of life
i called it SERVED BY GOD,,i also believe that she thought 100 times about cheating because those are mostly the type of girls youll find around us when you look into the core of things,,but as i said SERVED BY GOD also means stuck with what you have and learn what true love really is
this woman was SERVED BY GOD! (im god of hormones im talking here bout the real god :))
Shouldn't you be at the press conference? ;)
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And see, this is what so many of today bb experts and competitive bbs have been saying.....it's not about the chemicals....it's about the heart of a champion. I'm sold!!!
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Calm down "Manofshorts" he's a cage fighter ::)
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Calm down "Manofshorts" he's a cage fighter ::)
aren't we all deep down inside
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Calm down "Manofshorts" he's a cage fighter ::)
Fvck me....hope he doesn't read this post!
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Shouldn't you be at the press conference? ;)
who said im not? ;)
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gh15, are you a big, oily bb-type that strips down half-naked, slaps on some sparkly man panties and bulges and flexes with other near-naked metrosexual studs on a dimly lit stage in hopes of claiming a $250 paycheck?
No offense.
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no friend im not derek as much as you want me to be :D
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no friend im not derek as much as you want me to be :D
So which glitter-pantied bulger are you? Or are you just another heavy-breathing, poorly-washed schmoe at the ready with $1,500 for a private wrasslin match with one of the top 5 "champions"?
Just curious
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not to stick up for him but to be fair he's sick as hell these days, I don't think he can eat anywhere near what he would have to to support any muscle and he's just got a ton of health problems. I know he did it to himself and all that jazz but you can't look at the physique he has there and say anything about BB....except that if you go nuts you might end up like that. :-\
How about this guy? If you saw him in the street would you say, "Man, that guy's got great genetics for bodybuilding"?
Even though he's not eating and training for bodybuilding anymore, the genes should still be there, right? To me, he looks like a regular guy.
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How about this guy? If you saw him in the street would you say, "Man, that guy's got great genetics for bodybuilding"?
Even though he's not eating and training for bodybuilding anymore, the genes should still be there, right? To me, he looks like a regular guy.
If my wife saw this guy on the streets she'd probably love his sash, blouse and Old Navy ladies belt.
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If my wife saw this guy on the streets she'd probably love his sash, blouse and Old Navy ladies belt.
hahahahaha!......why do most "pros" have skinny necks?
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hahahahaha!......why do most "pros" have skinny necks?
AHAAHAH!!! You'd figure with all the side mouthjobs they take on they'd be bigger.
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How about this guy? If you saw him in the street would you say, "Man, that guy's got great genetics for bodybuilding"?
Even though he's not eating and training for bodybuilding anymore, the genes should still be there, right? To me, he looks like a regular guy.
Having Great genetics means have a small waist, tiny joints, great muscle insertions,great proportion between the torso and the legs, thin skin, good level of muscularity, muscle symmetry,ability to acquire low amounts of BF%, great response to muscle stimulus and so on. You can hypothetically looks at two individuals at 170lb and perceive structural advantages that one would have. The other genetic factor can be observe through response to training,diet and anabolics.
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gh15 = god of hormones. that's pretty good!
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YOU hear all the time about this Pro or that pro entering a bodybuilding contest before they ever even picked up a weight and winning or placing high......(Vic Richards)..........that's good/great bb genetics
people in school calling you "Arnold" and you havent even lifted a weight yet................
people telling you you look like a bodybuilder you should compete (again before you have even lifted)
then there is "genetic" response to "gear" ..............combine the two and presto!
IFBB superstar!
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YOU hear all the time about this Pro or that pro entering a bodybuilding contest before they ever even picked up a weight and winning or placing high......(Vic Richards)..........that's good/great bb genetics
people in school calling you "Arnold" and you havent even lifted a weight yet................
people telling you you look like a bodybuilder you should compete (again before you have even lifted)
then there is "genetic" response to "gear" ..............combine the two and presto!
IFBB superstar!
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no friend im not derek as much as you want me to be :D
Sometimes you slip out of character, and then you remind me of Adonis. Hmmm....
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good bodybuilding genetics = the ability to retain muscle
none of the clowns pictured on this thread do that very well without the "minor" contribution of steroids.
so much for your "its all hard work, eating 8 meals a day and reading flex magazine" fantasy.
Having Great genetics means have a small waist, tiny joints, great muscle insertions,great proportion between the torso and the legs, thin skin, good level of muscularity, muscle symmetry,ability to acquire low amounts of BF%, great response to muscle stimulus and so on. You can hypothetically looks at two individuals at 170lb and perceive structural advantages that one would have. The other genetic factor can be observe through response to training,diet and anabolics.
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good bodybuilding genetics = the ability to retain muscle
none of the clowns pictured on this thread do that very well without the "minor" contribution of steroids.
so much for your "its all hard work, eating 8 meals a day and reading flex magazine" fantasy.
Please do not discuss something that you have no knowledge. Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body. Muscle is a unnecessary luxury, if anything excess muscle compromise and overload the body. As an example 1lb of fat requires roughly 9 cal to be maintain compair to 69 cal from the same muscle weight. That is not considering the obvious high levels of oxygen muscle requires compere to any other tissue. The muscle is a protection mechanism of the body in response to stimulus. Once the stimulus is halt the body will rapidly get rid of it as has no need or use for it. Your association of genetics and muscle retention is ignorance to the max.
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How about this guy? If you saw him in the street would you say, "Man, that guy's got great genetics for bodybuilding"?
Even though he's not eating and training for bodybuilding anymore, the genes should still be there, right? To me, he looks like a regular guy.
I'm not sure you quite understand everything involved in "genetics". Good lines, round muscles, bone structure, etc. are but a fraction of what is a function of genetics. Response to weight training, diet and drugs is highly dependent on genetic predispositions. Take Leverone and Arvilla as examples. Although Mike is naturally a bigger guy with a larger bone structure, he will never look anything like Leverone regardless of how hard he trains, diets & juices. Kevin, on the other hand, could in a matter of months train, diet & juice again look like a freak.
What I'm trying to say is that "all drugs" is not accurate. It should be "all genetics"...
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How about this guy? If you saw him in the street would you say, "Man, that guy's got great genetics for bodybuilding"?
Even though he's not eating and training for bodybuilding anymore, the genes should still be there, right? To me, he looks like a regular guy.
probably in better shape than you and 95% of this forum.
He's hitting his 40's.. Cut him some slack.
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Am I missing something, here?
What's so spectacular about this guy's genetics?
what is a man supposed to look like when he is sick ???
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I'm not sure you quite understand everything involved in "genetics". Good lines, round muscles, bone structure, etc. are but a fraction of what is a function of genetics. Response to weight training, diet and drugs is highly dependent on genetic predispositions. Take Leverone and Arvilla as examples. Although Mike is naturally a bigger guy with a larger bone structure, he will never look anything like Leverone regardless of how hard he trains, diets & juices. Kevin, on the other hand, could in a matter of months train, diet & juice again look like a freak.
What I'm trying to say is that "all drugs" is not accurate. It should be "all genetics"...
thasts why kevin was a top professional ,,,but speaking of the ability to get a pro card a lot more can achieve it see kenny and kamali see cook and tom prince,,see greg k and mike queen...
being a national competitor is super easy if you got the loads of drugs needed no matter if you got good bellie muscle or average ,,,no matter if you got good sweep or not ....anyone can be national competitor see tropopin which is one while you with a lot better muscle shape didnt turn professional or did high level national placings AND YOU COULD!
drugs has a lot to do with ones physiqe up to the national stage ,,,on the national stage they will take you apart and make sure that you got everything needed at the time inorder to get that pro card,,,but then again you got the kamalis and the kennys who just by illusion and will mixed with lots of drugs and the right weight class turned professional,,,
i garentee to you that you could have looked a lot better than stan yet stan has a pro card and you didnt go for it because of the thought that everything is in the so called genetics and its not
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thasts why kevin was a top professional ,,,but speaking of the ability to get a pro card a lot more can achieve it see kenny and kamali see cook and tom prince,,see greg k and mike queen...
being a national competitor is super easy if you got the loads of drugs needed no matter if you got good bellie muscle or average ,,,no matter if you got good sweep or not ....anyone can be national competitor see tropopin which is one while you with a lot better muscle shape didnt turn professional or did high level national placings AND YOU COULD!
drugs has a lot to do with ones physiqe up to the national stage ,,,on the national stage they will take you apart and make sure that you got everything needed at the time inorder to get that pro card,,,but then again you got the kamalis and the kennys who just by illusion and will mixed with lots of drugs and the right weight class turned professional,,,
i garentee to you that you could have looked a lot better than stan yet stan has a pro card and you didnt go for it because of the thought that everything is in the so called genetics and its not
I think you're a knowledgeable guy, but I'm not so sure I agree. While I never dabbled with GH/slin, I did go HEAVY on androgens/anabolics. The year I won the NPC Mr. Huntington Beach, I came in at 185 pretty damn shredded. I used mild dosages and was never on for more than 10-12 weeks straight. I did the NPC Mr LA 18 months later. During that time I cycled for 10 months straight with easily triple the dosages than the prior year. I managed to come in a measly 9lbs heavier and not as dry. So, in my experience more drugs did nothing for me. I probably could have stuck with it and managed to add 5-10 lbs per year, but I'm pretty sure I would have never been able to add enough muscle to be truly competitive...
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Mindspin .......I don't post here alot ,but believe me, I have been around for awhile . No need to go into detail about me ,but I will say I have seen you in person .[years ago when you were Met-rx] and I agree with GH15 [usually do as well ] .You had all the makings of a pro . You had a great total package ,also good looks , and a freaking brain .[ and no, I am far from gay if that even matters] . You could be pro in 2-3 years right now and be competitive. You just weren't playing the same game as they other top guys in your era . You didn't need to be on long cycles or even high dosages .......gear is just a tool to keep you moving past your natural limits . Not a means to an end . Yes ,low dose GH and insulin would have helped and not ruined your physique if done intelligently and not recklessly........If say 185 -190 was your best pealed ,then I would say at 215 -220 you could have beat a guy like Darrem on a regular basis and he has won 8 pro shows .[and I know he doesn't use a whole lot of gear for a fact] You are what a pro should be and would have been a great example of of what these guys should aspire to look like . GH15 is a wise man .......
Also ,if you read this .I would love for you to pm and maybe give some insight to your diet and training methods back in your peak .Always fun to see how people did their thing . Also ,I am a big Dr Scott Connelly fan .....love to hear what you learned from him and if you think his new products will be good or not......I know you are busy ,but I would appreciate to hearing from you ......all my best to you and you family ....
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Please do not discuss something that you have no knowledge. Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body. Muscle is a unnecessary luxury, if anything excess muscle compromise and overload the body. As an example 1lb of fat requires roughly 9 cal to be maintain compair to 69 cal from the same muscle weight. That is not considering the obvious high levels of oxygen muscle requires compere to any other tissue. The muscle is a protection mechanism of the body in response to stimulus. Once the stimulus is halt the body will rapidly get rid of it as has no need or use for it. Your association of genetics and muscle retention is ignorance to the max.
Please stop posting. I don't post on getbig to get smarter, just for amusement. ;)
I know very little about the human body, other than how to put on 55lbs of lean mass, without drugs. :-\
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Croatch,
I do have alot of respect for the path you choose. We have more in common that you may think. Like you I believe that genetics, train and diet are what makes Bodybuilding. Anabolics is a obvious part of sports in general. Maybe unfortunately but just reality. As We choose different goals we go our different ways. I really do not want sound smart, but fuck when someone says something that stupid....got to correct it.
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As an example 1lb of fat requires roughly 9 cal to be maintain compair to 69 cal from the same muscle weight.
A pound of muscle burns 7 calories, according to the latest research.
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A pound of muscle burns 7 calories, according to the latest research.
If you read it you will realize I said the body requires 69 cal to MANTAIN 1lb of muscle.
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If you read it you will realize I said the body requires 69 cal to MANTAIN 1lb of muscle.
I'm not sure I understand. If basal metabolic rate went up by 7 calories per pound of muscle gained why would you need to eat another 62 cals to maintain it? Eating as much as you burn means you maintain your current weight. If not, you underestimated your BMR.
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Van Biderass,
You comparing two different things. In analogy, an engine may burn 7cal,but that does not relate to the amount of calories the engine requires to be maintained. The levels of oxygen and energy the muscle require are far superior that any other tissue. The body require minimum amounts of energy to maintain fat tissue. That is why is so complicated to lose fat. The body often when put into a catabolic state will rather lose muscle that fat. As that mathematically would make more sense to lose the tissue that needs more calories to be maintained.
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"Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body" - do you know how factually incorrect that statement is?
we are talking about something a basic middle school science student ought to know, and you are clearly out of your league.
Q - how do people move their limbs?
A - muscles
hope this helps.
btw - your posts reinforce the stereotype that juiceheads are idiots.
Please do not discuss something that you have no knowledge. Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body. Muscle is a unnecessary luxury, if anything excess muscle compromise and overload the body. As an example 1lb of fat requires roughly 9 cal to be maintain compair to 69 cal from the same muscle weight. That is not considering the obvious high levels of oxygen muscle requires compere to any other tissue. The muscle is a protection mechanism of the body in response to stimulus. Once the stimulus is halt the body will rapidly get rid of it as has no need or use for it. Your association of genetics and muscle retention is ignorance to the max.
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I think, by biological need, he meant that if you don't use it, you lose it. So, by Kevin bulking up to 270 and having to eat a ton-which he no longer cares to do....he doesn't eat and workout like he used to. So he loses the muscle.
Just trying to clarify...maybe I'm off here?
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I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? I really dont understand these posts as what good is it to be a bulked up 280 with no wind at all (gassed out in 33 seconds) as a MMA fighter? If your 275 as a bodybuilder and you want to be a great sprint swimmer, whats going to do it? 275 or 190? Some of you guys explain it to me why its so utterly important for Chris Clark to stay big when he is pursuing a sport where conditioning and skill is what matters? Kevin Levrone sure as heck wasnt going to get an acting part to save his life (except as the atypical bouncer/henchman in the background role) if he didnt conform to the acting look of hollywood so I see exactly why he did what he did also.
I guess Im asking for your point of view because I truly dont get why you want these guys to walk around with 20 inch arms when thats the last thing on their mind right now....
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I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? I really dont understand these posts as what good is it to be a bulked up 280 with no wind at all (gassed out in 33 seconds) as a MMA fighter? If your 275 as a bodybuilder and you want to be a great sprint swimmer, whats going to do it? 275 or 190? Some of you guys explain it to me why its so utterly important for Chris Clark to stay big when he is pursuing a sport where conditioning and skill is what matters? Kevin Levrone sure as heck wasnt going to get an acting part to save his life (except as the atypical bouncer/henchman in the background role) if he didnt conform to the acting look of hollywood so I see exactly why he did what he did also.
I guess Im asking for your point of view because I truly dont get why you want these guys to walk around with 20 inch arms when thats the last thing on their mind right now....
This post is too reasonable and makes far too much sense for Get-Big................
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why do you look like a fat truck driver who has never seen the inside of a gym?
I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? I really dont understand these posts as what good is it to be a bulked up 280 with no wind at all (gassed out in 33 seconds) as a MMA fighter? If your 275 as a bodybuilder and you want to be a great sprint swimmer, whats going to do it? 275 or 190? Some of you guys explain it to me why its so utterly important for Chris Clark to stay big when he is pursuing a sport where conditioning and skill is what matters? Kevin Levrone sure as heck wasnt going to get an acting part to save his life (except as the atypical bouncer/henchman in the background role) if he didnt conform to the acting look of hollywood so I see exactly why he did what he did also.
I guess Im asking for your point of view because I truly dont get why you want these guys to walk around with 20 inch arms when thats the last thing on their mind right now....
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This post is too reasonable and makes far too much sense for Get-Big................
No kidding.
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why do you look like a fat truck driver who has never seen the inside of a gym?
You are kidding right. Dante wipes the floor with you son.
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Cook is on the far right in the background:
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There are so many variables to consider other than simply stating that drugs are 100% responsible for creating a good bodybuilder. Some previous posts touched on androgen response (which is why guy "X" will put on 20lbs of quality size and guy "Y" will put on half that, even if they take the exact same cycle). Another important genetic-related quality is muscle recovery. Again, X and Y could do the same workout with the same weights, but X stays sore for only 2 days while Y stays sore for 4 days. A final genetic consideration is the individual's tolerance for gear. Just like some people can smoke or drink for 50yrs and live to 90, some guys can handle heavy drug use, others cannot.
Another issue which I am sure GH15 can confirm is that probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off." It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there. Personally, I don't agree with this philosophy, but I do understand it. I always thought that is was best to hold on to as much size offseason, keep the range of motion intact, and it really is a part of my routine, so to abandon lifting even temporarily was never a consideration.
Finally, too many guys jump into gear way to soon, failing to establish any real kind of "base" muscle. For them, they are indeed "ALL DRUGS" and once you pull the needle, they deflate like a balloon. I know the haters don't want to believe it, but there are guys who lifted for a long time (5-10+ years), who actually KNEW what they were doing while in the gym (an issue for another thread...), ate enough, lifted heavy, and then juiced, and as long as they keep lifting, will never lose the base they built. It's not that hard to walk around at 6', 240-250lbs with decent size and b/f ratio if you did all this for 20+ years, but how many do? Hell, some of you aren't even that old!
Every single person who ever posted on this forum could take whatever Barry Bonds or Clemons took and would never be able to do the things that they have on the field. In the same vein, taking the same exact cycle as Coleman won't allow you to win a single Olympia title, let alone turn pro. Besides the fact that you'd be pissing blood after 3 months of what he's on, you'd still have to have the time, dedication, discipline, and most importantly, the diet. Not just knowledge of the diet, but the will to stick with it.
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probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off." It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there.
that is sad.
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some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....
HAHAHA
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There are so many variables to consider other than simply stating that drugs are 100% responsible for creating a good bodybuilder. Some previous posts touched on androgen response (which is why guy "X" will put on 20lbs of quality size and guy "Y" will put on half that, even if they take the exact same cycle). Another important genetic-related quality is muscle recovery. Again, X and Y could do the same workout with the same weights, but X stays sore for only 2 days while Y stays sore for 4 days. A final genetic consideration is the individual's tolerance for gear. Just like some people can smoke or drink for 50yrs and live to 90, some guys can handle heavy drug use, others cannot.
Another issue which I am sure GH15 can confirm is that probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off." It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there. Personally, I don't agree with this philosophy, but I do understand it. I always thought that is was best to hold on to as much size offseason, keep the range of motion intact, and it really is a part of my routine, so to abandon lifting even temporarily was never a consideration.
Finally, too many guys jump into gear way to soon, failing to establish any real kind of "base" muscle. For them, they are indeed "ALL DRUGS" and once you pull the needle, they deflate like a balloon. I know the haters don't want to believe it, but there are guys who lifted for a long time (5-10+ years), who actually KNEW what they were doing while in the gym (an issue for another thread...), ate enough, lifted heavy, and then juiced, and as long as they keep lifting, will never lose the base they built. It's not that hard to walk around at 6', 240-250lbs with decent size and b/f ratio if you did all this for 20+ years, but how many do? Hell, some of you aren't even that old!
Every single person who ever posted on this forum could take whatever Barry Bonds or Clemons took and would never be able to do the things that they have on the field. In the same vein, taking the same exact cycle as Coleman won't allow you to win a single Olympia title, let alone turn pro. Besides the fact that you'd be pissing blood after 3 months of what he's on, you'd still have to have the time, dedication, discipline, and most importantly, the diet. Not just knowledge of the diet, but the will to stick with it.
most of us try to get in gym 3 times a week when off hormones compltely which rarely happens,,,but the reality is that we can keeop at it maybe 30-60 days then if we dont get back on we fade into 2 times a week and then once a week and then vacation for 2 weeks and then out of the gym for 2 months,,,its just how it is ,,no hormones = no training and gh15 is the only one that will tell you that and also only under gh15 identity
its also true that you wont become bonds if you took the same drugs he took or 10 times more because he actually plays baseball well and could hit the ball well to begin with then again baseball is not bodybuilding and in bodybuilding as long as you can tolerate the drugs needed ....as long as you can lift well and eat ...you can become national competitor,,most guys afraid to compeete for some reaosn or another while in reality they would wipe the floor with many competetive bodybuilders,,,why are they afraid to compete? some because of anxiety ,,,some because they feel like they got skinn calves and ashamed yet look at dex the best bodybuilder in the world and he had courage to walk on stage,,some of them just cant be disipline with the weeks of hard diet and drugs needed,,and some of them just feel not comfortable to wear underwear on stage,,,to each his own but im 100% tellin you that any one can become national competitor ,,,i have seen some HORRID GUYS ON STAGE AT 240LB WALKING AROUND AT 280 LB OF NOTHING BUT PALUMBO ,,,then i see guys like matt t that could wipe the floor with those 280 lb guys yet the 280 compete and the matt ts not and it has many reasons behind it that you can never know since its very individual and some just dont have the time needed because you need everything 24/7 in bodybuilding to make yruoself a good bodybuilder,,,
24/7 365 this is a must to become a good bodybuilder
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most of us try to get in gym 3 times a week when off hormones compltely which rarely happens,,,but the reality is that we can keeop at it maybe 30-60 days then if we dont get back on we fade into 2 times a week and then once a week and then vacation for 2 weeks and then out of the gym for 2 months,,,its just how it is ,,no hormones = no training and gh15 is the only one that will tell you that and also only under gh15 identity
Thats true, its hard to invest in natural training after you been on juice since you know how impractical natural bodybuilding is.
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Thats true, its hard to invest in natural training after you been on juice since you know how impractical natural bodybuilding is.
It's true. I usually say: you don't BB for life - BB is your life!
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I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway?
Are we talking about juicers or naturals? If a natural guy like Chris Mason started doing MMA there wouldn't be any dramatic muscle loss unless he purposely starved himself to get to a lower weight class. Only juicers have these dramatic muscle fluctuations.
I agree with your point though, who cares if Chris Cook lost muscle. It's not important to him anymore.
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Are we talking about juicers or naturals? If a natural guy like Chris Mason started doing MMA there wouldn't be any dramatic muscle loss unless he purposely starved himself to get to a lower weight class. Only juicers have these dramatic muscle fluctuations.
I agree with your point though, who cares if Chris Cook lost muscle. It's not important to him anymore.
Off course he's talking about juicers. You're just stating the very obvious.
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Off course he's talking about juicers. You're just stating the very obvious.
Yes but here's a thread talking about how muscle juicers lose when they get off (duh!) and guys arguing if it had much to do with the juice or if it's the training and lifestyle change that's to blame. The lifestyle change doesn't help but a natural can take a couple of months off from the gym and just eat according to appetite and not much is lost. Some other type of activity like MMA training would help maintaining a natural physique IMO, compared to just sitting on your ass. If Cook took a couple of months off from doing any physical activity and dropped any HRT he may be on (I'm sure he's on a little something) you'd see an even smaller Cook.
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"Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body" - do you know how factually incorrect that statement is?
we are talking about something a basic middle school science student ought to know, and you are clearly out of your league.
Q - how do people move their limbs?
A - muscles
hope this helps.
btw - your posts reinforce the stereotype that juiceheads are idiots.
haha, i was thinking the same!
Ever thought about your heart is a muscle too??
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I wrote this on bb.com about a year ago. I think it holds as true today as then, if not more so. The most frustrating part of genetics is when you don't have good ones...LOL.
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It's easy to get caught up in genetics = ability to gain mass or genetics = muscle shape but when I think about genetics in terms of bodybuilding, there's so much more to it than size and shape.
Muscle origins and insertions - determine to a large extent how the muscles look and how strong a person will be.
Joint strength/stability - crappy joints will make any genetic gifts you were born with worthless.
Digestive system - relates directly to ability to get both big and shredded. I think some are genetically able to eat less/worse and not suffer for it.
Receptors - if your parents gave you a pitiful supply of receptor sites, gear just won't be effective. Thus the stories of folks who profess to taking a pittance compared to others and getting as good or better results.
Side effect tolerance - this relates to how your body handles the negative and positive effects of the various chemicals used by bodybuilders. Some people just don't get the same negative effects that others do. I think this aspect is very under-rated.
Skeletal structure - joint size, clavicle width, ribcage depth...all have a direct impact on how you'll look, how strong you'll be and how tolerant your body will be of the abuse it'll take.
Muscle bellies - this equals shape and size of the muscles. When I think of this Flex comes to mind as having the full bellies and "pretty" muscles. This vs someone like Branch Warren who just doesn't look the same in spite of being as big and lean.
So to me, it's the combination of the above that will allow someone to take their physique to the mid-level amateur and above level. Determination and committment will get just about anyone a decent body but IMO, the above gifts/curses will be the difference between the top amateurs and pros and the rest of us.
TimB.
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Meltdown
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have you seen a picture of this michelin man guru ?
You are kidding right. Dante wipes the floor with you son.
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congrats chris...felicia is off the hook
http://www.feliciaoh.com/feliciaoh.com/main.html
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,,,then i see guys like matt t that could wipe the floor with those 280 lb guys yet the 280 compete and the matt ts not and it has many reasons behind it that you can never know ,,,
gh15 = Will Harris
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have you seen a picture of this michelin man guru ?
Michelin man? Hardly.
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Michelin man? Hardly.
Dante is an obese fatass. It's like Jabba the Hut suddenly decided to call his blubber "muscle" and declared himself a "guru".
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Cook is on the far right in the background:
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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"Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body" - do you know how factually incorrect that statement is?
we are talking about something a basic middle school science student ought to know, and you are clearly out of your league.
Q - how do people move their limbs?
A - muscles
hope this helps.
btw - your posts reinforce the stereotype that juiceheads are idiots.
muscles built through years in the gym have no biological need hence the reason you lose them when you don't use them
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Dante is an obese fatass. It's like Jabba the Hut suddenly decided to call his blubber "muscle" and declared himself a "guru".
lol!
people often mistake fat for muscle. They are scale watchers who see the scale rising and think they are getting bigger. No, they are getting fatter! its always a fat guy that gets all bent when someone talks about staying in shape off season. Pros in particular want to be recognized as being pros and being bodybuilders but they walk around with their asses 3 feet wide and look like fat guys no one gives them a dime of respect
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chris is an awesome guy. i remember watching a show on TV when he was trying to get his pro card. shame that after he finally got it he basically quit. he has a great personality and work ethic
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chris is an awesome guy. i remember watching a show on TV when he was trying to get his pro card. shame that after he finally got it he basically quit. he has a great personality and work ethic
STFU you little homo stalker ::)
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
!!!!!!!quoted for absolute gospel truth!!!! TESTIFY !!! Welll said brah man
TheN youd have guys also , claiming their fat disproportionate physique is better than a fit muscled guy with a sixpack ---> we need to come up with a special word for this just for GETBIG to describe this ailment...i suggest `LERGY` - continuous vigorous expulsion of delusionailty&bullshit from the mandible
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some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....
LOL
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Psychologically is difficult to accept that you are just average or not as good. To think that the difference between you and a PRO athlete is all drugs. Make your existence easier to accept. The fact is Drugs are important part as long as they are use by someone that is already genetic gifted and structurally sound. That with combination of diet and training will produce Great Athlete.
we have no way of knowing how gifted pros are, perhaps 0,001% of the population will juice anywhere near what a pro does, a lot of potential is undiscovered. Compare with soccer where just about any EU/africa/S-american kid plays soccer, the chances are waaaaaaaaay bigger of discovering the potential and making an evaluation of what the 'gifted' look like (Maradonna, Cruyf, van Basten).
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But seriouslly, how's Chris Cook looking today ?
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But seriouslly, how's Chris Cook looking today ?
What he said
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What he said
Did 2008 call you?
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Did 2008 call you?
You upload those tranny pics yet?
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But seriously, how's Chris Cook looking today ?
Chris is doing great, working in the financial sector, another baby on the way (baby #4), with the same wife. On of the big dogs that was on the cover he had passed away. I just saw him at the Generation Iron Los Angeles premiere!
(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_0013.jpg)
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Looks healthy, good for him.
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Who said he died?
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/chriscook_zps3c1f5f75.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/timeamajorova/media/chriscook_zps3c1f5f75.jpg.html)
http://www.never2big.com/2010/01/whatever-happen-to-chris-cook.html
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Chris is doing great, working in the financial sector, another baby on the way (baby #4), with the same wife. On of the big dogs that was on the cover he had passed away. I just saw him at the Generation Iron Los Angeles premiere!
(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_0013.jpg)
Still Looks big!
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You always have losers that try to justify their inferiority by execuses, ....drugs,luck,lack of money....The fact is drugs undeniably help athletes but they are unable to change genetics or structure. These are the only two fundamental variables for success. No matter how much Cycles you take you will not look like Phil Heath or Flex ...But makes you feel good to think that "IF" you wanted to you could look like that .....sure....DREAM ON
this-
I also get a kick out of the clowns who say--ya I could look like that or like this and could double my weight and win a pro show if I did a couple years of steroids... bahahahahaah ya whatever-
and as far as chris cook... the guy hasn't trained or lived like a bber in years--