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NUMBER FIVE: SHAWN RAY, 1991
At around 200 pounds the Fastest Lip in The West remains the lightest man to win the Arnold Classic. With eye-popping muscle fullness, outstanding symmetry and a serratus you could slice tomatoes with, he just glided to what would be his second and final pro victory.(doohhhh!!!!!)
NUMBER FOUR: KEVIN LEVRONE, 1994
This was Levrone when he still had hanging hams and thighs groovier than a Count Basie set. Throw in the aircraft hangar delts, triceps like ham hocks allied to super dry and hard condition and the Maryland Muscle Machine just motored to top spot.
NUMBER THREE: JAY CUTLER, 2002
Apart from the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest maybe the hardest he’s ever been. With deeply embedded abs and full thighs more ripped than Britney Spears’ copy of Hide and Seek For Dummies, Cutler relegated Chris Cormier to the third of what was to become a run of six consecutive runner-up spots.
NUMBER TWO: FLEX WHEELER, 1993
This was Flex’s best ever shape. He was chiseled to the max, exhibited more balance than the Cirque du Soleil, and his back double biceps was a thing of beauty. Although he competed until 2003 he was never again as good as he was in his second pro contest that dramatic Columbus night in 2003.
NUMBER ONE: RONNIE COLEMAN, 2001
Simply the best physique I’ve ever seen onstage. At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description. Ten seconds after he first walked out the contest was over.
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I think Flex looks better than Ronnie 01 he was just about perfect and no gut too boot ! and I always maintained this was the best Flex ever looked in his career and he never was able to match this again
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:o
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Cormier was better than Jay cutler that day and the year after...Jay looked better though that time but I have the flex that covered that show and to me Cormier was just better...
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Damn....I still trip out when I see the pictures of Wheeler! I've seen them 1000 times, but they still have that 'awwwe' effect. Dude was SICK with it!
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I think Flex looks better than Ronnie 01 he was just about perfect and no gut too boot ! and I always maintained this was the best Flex ever looked in his career and he never was able to match this again
Hulkster???? We're waiting!!!..... :D
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Hulkster???? We're waiting!!!..... :D
No need to wait ;)
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No need to wait ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203375.0;attach=237026;image)
Yeah, I just don't get why he (the author of the article) thinks that was the best ANYONE ever looked on stage. His gut could be seen on stage too.
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Yeah, I just don't get why he (the author of the article) thinks that was the best ANYONE ever looked on stage. His gut could be seen on stage too.
You look at Flex NO distension what so ever at the Arnold
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No need to wait ;)
ND, where's that original gut collage of Ronnie?
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ND, where's that original gut collage of Ronnie?
;)
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This post would be great if u posted the pics from those contests to propperly illustrate.
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You look at Flex NO distension what so ever at the Arnold
Flex Wheeler had such amazing symmetry. Ronnie does own him in the mass dept which is the only reason why Flex alwyas came in at #2.
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This post would be great if u posted the pics from those contests to propperly illustrate.
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I think Flex looks better than Ronnie 01 he was just about perfect and no gut too boot ! and I always maintained this was the best Flex ever looked in his career and he never was able to match this again
What a surprise.
Yawn.
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What a surprise.
Yawn.
Hey cue the guy your comrades will be joining you soon
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Ronnie..what grace...what a wasplike waistline...more like waistland...his gut absolutely goes against everything bb should be /....Dorian won with a missing bodypart...ronnie won with an extra one...
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Flex 93 and Ronnie AC were both amazing.
but Ronnie wins: he was just as shapely, and WAY wider, with a much thicker back.
he had better arms, better pecs etc.
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flex 93 cannot top this
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sorry flex
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flex's back was thin and narrow compared to Ronnie's. and his glutes and hams were soft and crappy by comparison. as always..
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Flex 93 and Ronnie AC were both amazing.
but Ronnie wins: he was just as shapely, and WAY wider, with a much thicker back
just as shapely not quite , wider yes and that gut just kills it
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he was very shapely
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Aesthetics & size without a gut to ruin the symmetry
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Ronnie wins
Gut or no gut.
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just as shapely not quite , wider yes and that gut just kills it
ronnie had a gut.
but flex had a rear lat spread that didn't materialize when he posed.
nothing happened. that is how narrow he was by comparison.
that is much worse.
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he was very shapely
yes very ;)
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ronnie had a gut.
but flex had a rear lat spread that didn't materialize when he posed.
nothing happened. that is how narrow he was by comparison.
that is much worse.
lmfao thats much worse NO its not , not in the least Flex was lighter hence not as wide ! again from a pure bodybuilding standpoint that gut voids everything else both have flaws for sure but Flex didn't look pregnant
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Damn, Flex's back striations are insane. :o I agree with ND, the 93 AC Flex is the best physique ever on a stage!!! :D
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One of the very best physique's ever
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If Flex had Dorian or Ronnie's mentality he would have been a 3-4X Mr. Olympia if not more. I don't think any one can deny that he had the greatest bb structure and genetics of his time.
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If Flex had Dorian or Ronnie's mentality he would have been a 3-4X Mr. Olympia if not more. I don't think any one can deny that he had the greatest bb structure and genetics of his time.
Fullness and muscle belly shape - yes.
Greatest bb structure - HELL NO!!
Flex was notoriously narrow.
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what killed flex was that he didn't look good "opened up". his lat spreads (front and back) were really poor. everything standout on flex was related to shape and symmetry. ronnie, in 2001 at the ASC, had shape and symmetry at his all time best save 1999 plus that surreal size and far better conditioning than flex ever achieved (and if you don't believe me look at photos taken with them together, not photo A of flex and photo B of ronnie).
ronnie's lows were probably lower than any other mr olympia (2002, for one). but what you can't deny is that there are a few poses that most top pros just never looked good in. flex in his front lat spreads, dorian in a front double biceps and probably side chest. in 2001, ronnie looked incredible in EVERY pose.
yes, he had a little bit of a gut, but it wasn't what it became later and wasn't enough to spoil anything except to the most anal retentive ironagers.
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what killed flex was that he didn't look good "opened up". his lat spreads (front and back) were really poor. everything standout on flex was related to shape and symmetry. ronnie, in 2001 at the ASC, had shape and symmetry at his all time best save 1999 plus that surreal size and far better conditioning than flex ever achieved (and if you don't believe me look at photos taken with them together, not photo A of flex and photo B of ronnie).
ronnie's lows were probably lower than any other mr olympia (2002, for one). but what you can't deny is that there are a few poses that most top pros just never looked good in. flex in his front lat spreads, dorian in a front double biceps and probably side chest. in 2001, ronnie looked incredible in EVERY pose.
yes, he had a little bit of a gut, but it wasn't what it became later and wasn't enough to spoil anything except to the most anal retentive ironagers.
Word.
Someone post the crazy conditioning shots of ronnie asc2001 just to shut up that ghoul nd
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what killed flex was that he didn't look good "opened up". his lat spreads (front and back) were really poor. everything standout on flex was related to shape and symmetry. ronnie, in 2001 at the ASC, had shape and symmetry at his all time best save 1999 plus that surreal size and far better conditioning than flex ever achieved (and if you don't believe me look at photos taken with them together, not photo A of flex and photo B of ronnie).
ronnie's lows were probably lower than any other mr olympia (2002, for one). but what you can't deny is that there are a few poses that most top pros just never looked good in. flex in his front lat spreads, dorian in a front double biceps and probably side chest. in 2001, ronnie looked incredible in EVERY pose.
yes, he had a little bit of a gut, but it wasn't what it became later and wasn't enough to spoil anything except to the most anal retentive ironagers.
a little bit of a gut? are you serious?
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Ronnie wins
Gut or no gut.
Then why are the judging criteria changing in favor of "no gut"? obviously there is a preference.
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Word.
Someone post the crazy conditioning shots of ronnie asc2001 just to shut up that ghoul nd
What does conditioning have to do with anything? Flex had outstanding conditioning at the 93 ASC without that ridiculous gut
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Then why are the judging criteria changing in favor of "no gut"? obviously there is a preference.
Great point !
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What does conditioning have to do with anything? Flex had outstanding conditioning at the 93 ASC without that ridiculous gut
Nominee for the most idiotic comment on getbig.
Sure nd just let the pros step on stage at 20%bf
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Nominee for the most idiotic comment on getbig.
Sure nd just let the pros step on stage at 20%bf
( sighs ) listen you were requesting people to post pictures of Ronnie to showcase his ' crazy conditioning ' like Flex didn't have it its not an advantage he has over Flex 93 so again what does conditioning have to do with it?
great job jumping the gun moron
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hey ND, how about you start using pictures from the SHOW instead of from the photoshoot?
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hey ND, how about you start using pictures from the SHOW instead of from the photoshoot?
hey not a problem buddy ;)
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You will not find any gut at all with Flex 93 this is pure bodybuilding
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This is as good as it got
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sigh. all right, ND.
here's a hint for the future: when the only way to make your case is to comb through the pictures to find the absolute worst of ronnie and then "compare" them to the best pictures of flex you can find, you've lost your case. end of story.
nice work using pro photoshoot pictures of flex and carefully timed freezeframes from the video of ron when he's exhaling or going between poses. good work. especially since you always bitch when people do that with dorian. narcissistichypocrite. ::)
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sigh. all right, ND.
here's a hint for the future: when the only way to make your case is to comb through the pictures to find the absolute worst of ronnie and then "compare" them to the best pictures of flex you can find, you've lost your case. end of story.
nice work using pro photoshoot pictures of flex and carefully timed freezeframes from the video of ron when he's exhaling or going between poses. good work. especially since you always bitch when people do that with dorian. narcissistichypocrite. ::)
I don't bitch when they do it to Yates , I only bitch when they post pictures that aren't of him at his best big difference , I posted pics of Ronnie at his best compared to Flex at his ( go check ) and I seriously laughed out loud when you typed ' exhaling '
look Ronnie even with the gut looked remarkable in 2001 but I think Flex looks even better because he doesn't have one its that simple both have advantages over the other but the gut is a deal breaker
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sigh. all right, ND.
here's a hint for the future: when the only way to make your case is to comb through the pictures to find the absolute worst of ronnie and then "compare" them to the best pictures of flex you can find, you've lost your case. end of story.
nice work using pro photoshoot pictures of flex and carefully timed freezeframes from the video of ron when he's exhaling or going between poses. good work. especially since you always bitch when people do that with dorian. narcissistichypocrite. ::)
excellent post.
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excellent post.
How's that excellent? he's dead wrong lol I never bitched about you guys posted gut shots of Yates at his best , only when you're posting pictures of him NOT at his best to Ronnie , and again Ronnie's not mearly exhaling he has a huge gut and Flex doesn't thats the deal-breaker , and further more I posted shots of Ronnie without the gut showing compared to Flex ( see the back shots ) so once again he's dead wrong on all accounts ! its not an excellent post its a moronic post and the only reason you agree is because you're just as stupid as he is.
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as good as it got?
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notice: ND does the same thing here as he does in the truce thread:
he posts countless shots of ronnie's lower back, which was not as striated as either dorian's or flex's, and ignores everything else...
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as good as it got?
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notice: ND does the same thing here as he does in the truce thread:
he posts countless shots of ronnie's lower back, which was not as striated as either dorian's or flex's, and ignores everything else...
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Man you're thick , stop projecting your tactics on me YOU post countless shots & comments about width and ignore everything else ! Hulkster did you miss the part where I said both have advantages over the other? I didn't ignore anything and I even said he looks remarkable even with the gut HOWEVER compared to Flex he loses just based on that
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I just love this.
Ronnie tops the best back list from flex.
ND freaks out.
Ronnie tops the best AC showings ever.
ND freaks out.
Ronnie 1999 is last in Peter McGough's article of Mr. Olympia showings that 'advanced the sport'.
ND freaks out.
see a pattern here?
the whole world can see Ronnie at his best for what he is:
the greatest overall physique ever flaws and all.
ND cannot.
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as good as flex was at his best, he was no Ronnie..
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ronnie at the AC: :o
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Nacisstic Diety said that Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie. His opinions are null and void.
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Nacisstic Diety said that Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie. His opinions are null and void.
true. ND just does everything to put Ronnie down.
any praise he gets, he will try and show someone is better.
every time.
problem is, with Ronnie at his best, there is no one better overall.
so he ends up looking like a fool.
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Nacisstic Diety said that Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie. His opinions are null and void.
Did he really say that?! :o
If so, then I agree about his opinions
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Did he really say that?! :o
If so, then I agree about his opinions
he didn't just SAY it.
he tried to SHOW it...
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sorry flex
Looks like shit in this pic, if compared to flex that is. Damn ugly muscles, ugly stomack, no flow, legs looking skinny and no fullness. He was rockhard thats true.
Sorry flex?
clearly delusional.
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I just love this.
Ronnie tops the best back list from flex.
ND freaks out.
Ronnie tops the best AC showings ever.
ND freaks out.
Ronnie 1999 is last in Peter McGough's article of Mr. Olympia showings that 'advanced the sport'.
ND freaks out.
see a pattern here?
the whole world can see Ronnie at his best for what he is:
the greatest overall physique ever flaws and all.
ND cannot.
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lmfao ' freaks out ' you're such a tool
Ronnie Coleman says in 1999 he could never beat Dorian - Hulkster freaks out
Ronnie Coleman says in 2007 he could never beat Dorian - Hulkster freaks out
Ronnie Coleman says in 2003 Dorian has the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen - Hulkster freaks out
Ronnie Coleman says his best Olympia showing was 1998 NOT 1999 - Hulkster freaks out
Peter McGough says Ronnie was never as hard or as dry as Dorian Yates - Hulkster freaks out
Peter McGough states Dorian at 269 pounds would beat Ronnie 2001 ASC - Hulkster freaks out
Peter McGough states Ronnie's best showing was 2001 and NOT 1999 - Hulkster freaks out
shall I continue? and again stop speaking for the ' whole world ' see argument ad populum need I remind you? a popular opinion does NOT make the opinion true and its clearly evident Flex Wheeler 1993 Arnold Classic is better ' flaws and all ' and he still doesn't look pregnant ;)
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Nacisstic Diety said that Dorian had better overall arms than Ronnie. His opinions are null and void.
I said he has better triceps & forearms and that's a fact kid , like Hulkster quote me accurayely or don't quote me at all and I did say tongue in cheek there fore he had better arms overall , get it right .
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he didn't just SAY it.
he tried to SHOW it...
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I did show it and the point stands , Dorian has better triceps & forearms thats a fact ! and aren't you the idiot who claimed Ronnie 1999 was grainer than Dorian Yates ever was? and he had better detailed calves than Dorian? lol and Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler? shall I continue? ;)
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true. ND just does everything to put Ronnie down.
any praise he gets, he will try and show someone is better.
every time.
problem is, with Ronnie at his best, there is no one better overall.
so he ends up looking like a fool.
I didn't put him down thats another Hulkster lie , I said he looked remarkable in 2001 did you miss that? I know you have reading comprehension problems and all but go back and check my posts ;) the difference is Flex is just as amazing and he doesn't look damn pregnant thats putting him down? NO thats stating a obvious fact
and ironic you're hell bend on jumping all over me but wont dare attack anyone else who says Flex looks better , still looking for revenge for all the ass-kickings I handed out to you lol
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Back to the topic ;)
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:o
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Flex's arms dominated his whole body.
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Ronnie would dominate flex easily, just like he did every time they met when Ronnie was at his peak:
the list is quite accurate as is: Ronnie was better than Flex.
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the best pictures of ronnie at the arnold trump flexes best pics. in the mandatories ronnie is more conditioned and has more size.
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the best pictures of ronnie at the arnold trump flexes best pics. in the mandatories ronnie is more conditioned and has more size.
agreed.
but try telling retard ND that... ::)
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Did Dorian ever win The Arnold Classic?
The Beef
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agreed.
but try telling retard ND that... ::)
I guess the other people who agreed with me are retards too? ::) again Ronnie looks pregnant you'll never escape that this is exactly why he doesn't compare to Flex who had NO waist problems .
I hope this helps
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Did Dorian ever win The Arnold Classic?
The Beef
No , he never had any desire to compete at the Arnold there was only one contest and that was the Olympia.
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Someone post the crazy conditioning shots of ronnie asc2001 just to shut up that ghoul nd
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie79.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie119.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman32.jpg)
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sigh. all right, ND.
here's a hint for the future: when the only way to make your case is to comb through the pictures to find the absolute worst of ronnie and then "compare" them to the best pictures of flex you can find, you've lost your case. end of story.
nice work using pro photoshoot pictures of flex and carefully timed freezeframes from the video of ron when he's exhaling or going between poses. good work. especially since you always bitch when people do that with dorian. narcissistichypocrite. ::)
very true. I couldn't help but laugh when I saw ND compare high quality photoshoot pics of Flex to blurry screen caps of Ronnie during transition. Of course, he will just deny like he always does when arguing a losing position.
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more pics of 01 ASC Ronnie
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie136.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman47.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman12.jpg)
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very true. I couldn't help but laugh when I saw ND compare high quality photoshoot pics of Flex to blurry screen caps of Ronnie during transition. Of course, he will just deny like he always does when arguing a losing position.
Not true , check out the other shots and how ironic you would speak on this topic ::) again your own hero not once twice went on record saying he couldn't beat Yates , now what was that about losing? ;)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman41.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie84.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman30.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie125b.jpg)
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I guess the other people who agreed with me are retards too?
they agreed with you only because of your retarded comparisons - only showing ronnie in transition/gut shots or the lower back shots, ignoring that flex was softer, smaller and narrow overall compared to Ronnie... ::)
he loses all the mandatories to ronnie except for the ab and thigh.
thats it.
if you think that losing 7 of the 8 mandatories makes him better, well, then you are an idiot.
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ronnie dominates flex when Ronnie is at his best: your transition gut shots do nothing to trump reality:
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they agreed with you only because of your retarded comparisons - only showing ronnie in transition/gut shots or the lower back shots, ignoring that flex was softer, smaller and narrow overall compared to Ronnie... ::)
he loses all the mandatories to ronnie except for the ab and thigh.
thats it.
if you think that losing 7 of the 8 mandatories makes him better, well, then you are an idiot.
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ronnie dominates flex when Ronnie is at his best: your transition gut shots do nothing to trump reality:
lmfao you're retarded FYI moron thats NOT even Flex at the 1993 ASC what an idiot
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Did Dorian ever win The Arnold Classic?
The Beef
he would have likely lost had he tried to compete against some of the AC winners during his post tear form.
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lmfao you're retarded FYI moron thats NOT even Flex at the 1993 ASC what an idiot
no it iisn't.
but his conditon was very close. its the best shots we have. we don't have many images of flex 93 hitting the mandatories moron...
we have lots of transitiion shots. thats it.
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he would have likely lost had he tried to compete against some of the AC winners during his post tear form.
Dorian was a winning machine , chances are he wouldn't have lost !
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no it iisn't.
but his conditon was very close. its the best shots we have. we don't have many images of flex 93 hitting the mandatories moron...
we have lots of transitiion shots. thats it.
Oh boy you know absolutely NOTHING about competitive bodybuilding , nothing what so ever NO his conditioning was NOT very close he was much better at the Arnold and the Ironman and faded by the Olympia
Hulkster don't type on topics you know nothing about you idiot.
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Oh boy you know absolutely NOTHING about competitive bodybuilding , nothing what so ever NO his conditioning was NOT very close he was much better at the Arnold and the Ironman and faded by the Olympia
Hulkster don't type on topics you know nothing about you idiot.
yeah, thats why everyone is making fun of your 'comparisons'...
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LOL "pure bodybuilding" getting killed:
nice try ND..
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yeah, thats why everyone is making fun of your 'comparisons'...
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This has NOTHING to do with anyone else , it has to do with your and your monumentally stupid assertion Flex's conditioning was ' very close ' at the 1993 Mr Olympia compared with the Arnold Classic
look you're an idiot , you're posting shots from 1998/1999 Mr Olympia when NO ONE is discussing those contests its the Arnold Classic you idiot , and Flex was much sharper at the ASC and The Ironman than at the Olympia , you wouldn't know this because you don't know a damn thing about competitive bodybuilding
NUMBER TWO: FLEX WHEELER, 1993
This was Flex’s best ever shape. He was chiseled to the max, exhibited more balance than the Cirque du Soleil, and his back double biceps was a thing of beauty. Although he competed until 2003 he was never again as good as he was in his second pro contest that dramatic Columbus night in 2003.
This says explicitly he never again touch that conditioning and you're the idiot who thinks he was close lmfao how does it feel having everything you ever typed corrected by me? by someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about? Samir Bannout in the coverage says that Flex was way off from his spring showings and Shawn Ray who finished 3rd was actually in better conditioning only feel by the wayside due to Flex's superior shape , again you know absolutely NOTHING about competitive bodybuilding
lmmfao and the 1993 Olympia Flex beat Dorian Yates too LOL you're to simple
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LOL "pure bodybuilding" getting killed:
nice try ND..
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getting killed at looking pregnant , this isn't pure bodybuilding kid
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getting killed at looking pregnant , this isn't pure bodybuilding kid
neither is this idiot: flex hits a rear lat spread and nothing happens..
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Ronnie owns flex in EVERY pose except for one.
all your transition shots cannot erase this fact. sorry.
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neither is this idiot: flex hits a rear lat spread and nothing happens..
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Ronnie owns flex in EVERY pose except for one.
all your transition shots cannot erase this fact. sorry.
I love how you're reduced to posting Olympia shots and you just agreed with the other idiot how I don't post shots of them at their best LMMFAO you're such a simple minded hypocrite lol
Hulkster you bore me run along now
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neither is this idiot: flex hits a rear lat spread and nothing happens..
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Ronnie owns flex in EVERY pose except for one.
all your transition shots cannot erase this fact. sorry.
Oh and BTW moron Flex was NEVER wider than Ronnie and that didn't stop him from beating his ass 6 times did it? yeah I thought so .
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Oh and BTW moron Flex was NEVER wider than Ronnie and that didn't stop him from beating his ass 6 times did it? yeah I thought so .
he never beat Ronnie anywhere NEAR his AC showing OR his 98/99 olympia showings.
retard.
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I love how you're reduced to posting Olympia shots and you just agreed with the other idiot how I don't post shots of them at their best LMMFAO you're such a simple minded hypocrite lol
Hulkster you bore me run along now
yes, because flex was so much wider at the AC than at the olympia..
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no wonder everyone makes fun of you.
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he never beat Ronnie anywhere NEAR his AC showing OR his 98/99 olympia showings.
retard.
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And Ronnie never beat Flex anywhere near his Ironaman or ASC showings so whats you're point moron ?
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yes, because flex was so much wider at the AC than at the olympia..
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no wonder everyone makes fun of you.
It doesn't matter thats semantics what matters is he beat Ronnie despite never being as wide thats the point
and its no wonder all the ignorant people find each other and harp on the people who are in the know , I make you feel uncomfortable with your opinion for a reason , because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and I do ;)
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And Ronnie never beat Flex anywhere near his Ironaman or ASC showings so whats you're point moron ?
the point is that the visuals show that he could and would VERY EASILY.
THAT is the point.
once again, you argue that a lesser bodbuilder can beat a peak ronnie when reality shows quite clearly the opposite:
flex 93 AC vs Ronnie 2001 AC.
run along little boy:
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the point is that the visuals show that he could and would VERY EASILY.
THAT is the point.
once again, you argue that a lesser bodbuilder can beat a peak ronnie when reality shows quite clearly the opposite:
flex 93 AC vs Ronnie 2001 AC.
run along little boy:
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lmfao now he could beat Ronnie very easily your bull shit bores me and stop playing follow the leader , you think if you copy me that come how you'll get to owned me the way I owned you on almost every point you've ever made you need to know what the fuck you're talking about first idiot
No gut thats all that matters Flex doesn't look pregnant
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No gut thats all that matters Flex doesn't look pregnant
he loses 7 mandatory poses you idiot.
THAT is what matters.
god damn you know jack shit about this sport.. :-\
tell us, are you going to freak out the NEXT TIME RONNIE TOPS A BEST LIST?
because thats all you do lately.
and it isn't going to stop: Ronnie was that damn good at his best.
just so you know.
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he loses 7 mandatory poses you idiot.
THAT is what matters.
god damn you know jack shit about this sport.. :-\
tell us, are you going to freak out the NEXT TIME RONNIE TOPS A BEST LIST?
because thats all you do lately.
and it isn't going to stop: Ronnie was that damn good at his best.
just so you know.
he tops Flex in the mandatories according to who? YOU lol sure he does just like Yates lost the 93 Olympia ::)
Oh yeah the next best list Ronnie is on is going to be for calves right Hulkster? lmfao put your dumb head down and walk away in shame because I will continue to own you ;)
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he tops Flex in the mandatories according to who? YOU lol
accord to real life idiot.
and according to almost everyone - including idustry experts from flex.
yet AGAIN, no one agrees with you.
the list was correct.
and you are a bitter bitter man.
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it's so much fun watching ND get owned by everyone. ;D
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it's so much fun watching ND get owned by everyone. ;D
Yeah owned Hulkster's posting pic of Ronnie from 1998/1999 compared to Flex at the Olympia lol sure I'm getting owned , Flex doesn't look pregnant and I'm getting owned lol I love you simple people you're always good for a laugh . ;)
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it's so much fun watching ND get owned by everyone. ;D
yeah.
but its getting old.
Ronnie always tops the lists and it drives ND to the point where he must jump in and campaign for someone else being better.
problem is, reality is NEVER on his side.
and he ends up looking like a complete idiot as a result.
I can't wait for the next time.
and there WILL be a next time..
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accord to real life idiot.
and according to almost everyone - including idustry experts from flex.
yet AGAIN, no one agrees with you.
the list was correct.
and you are a bitter bitter man.
stop with the almost everyone nonsense , stop speaking for the masses you moron ! and once again you're lying people one here agree Flex is better so much for that theory ;) and again they all agree thats the best he ever looked 2001 NOT 1999 and how would 2001 Ronnie fair against Dorian? ;) yeah I thought so.
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yeah.
but its getting old.
Ronnie always tops the lists and it drive ND to the point where he must jump in and campaign for someone else being better.
problem is, reality is NEVER on his side.
and he ends up looking like a complete idiot as a result.
I can't wait for the next time.
and there WILL be a next time..
Whats not on my side? Ronnie is on my side when he states in 1999 mind you he couldn't beat Dorian , Ronnie is on my side when he says he looked better in 1998 than 1999 , Team Flex is on my side when they stated Dorian has the best back , so did Samir and Ronnie Coleman , McGough states Ronnie 2001 couldn't beat Yates , what makes you think for one moment you're subjective opinions are somehow right and mines aren't ?
and answer the question ;)
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Yeah owned Hulkster's posting pic of Ronnie from 1998/1999 compared to Flex at the Olympia lol sure I'm getting owned , Flex doesn't look pregnant and I'm getting owned lol I love you simple people you're always good for a laugh.
let's see... you got called out for your bullshit comparisons and saying Dorian has better arms than Ronnie. Now you're arguing that everyone over at Flex magazine (who saw Flex, Dorian, and Ronnie compete) is wrong and you are right. Oh brother! ::)
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let's see... you got called out for your bullshit comparisons and saying Dorian has better arms than Ronnie. Now you're arguing that everyone over at Flex magazine (who saw both Flex and Ronnie compete) is wrong and you are right. Oh brother! ::)
No Yates does have better triceps and forearms than Ronnie , old news that isn't bull shit thats obvious .
and just like you have argued with Ronnie , Samir , and Team Flex , Bev Francis , Dorian Yates , Lee Priest , Peter McGough , etc on any pro Yates argument who all saw both at their best that they're wrong and you're right ;)
as usual you have nothing for me kid.
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Peter McGough Ironage Oct 13 , 2007
Who had the best forearms you ever seen : Best forearms I have seen with my own peepers. not in order: Kaz, Dorian Yates, Gunnar Rosbo, Lee Priest, Phil Heath, Armin Shultz, Flex Lewis.
Again stating the obvious and FYI forearms are part of the ' arms ' ;) now what was that again about bullshit? lol
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No Yates does have better triceps and forearms than Ronnie , old news that isn't bull shit thats obvious.
yawn, "better triceps" my ass. Ronnie's have more mass and better definition.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie46.jpg)
and just like you have argued with Ronnie , Samir , and Team Flex , Bev Francis , Dorian Yates , Lee Priest , Peter McGough , etc on any pro Yates argument who all saw both at their best that they're wrong and you're right
Ronnie is stupid, plain and simple. He's proven he's not a reliable source. The same guy denied any injuries when they were painfully obvious and believed he won the 06 Mr. Olympia. It speaks volumes about the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument if you use him as a source.
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yawn, "better triceps" my ass. Ronnie's have more hang and better definition.
Ronnie is stupid, plain and simple. He's proven he's not a reliable source. The same guy denied any injuries when they were painfully obvious and believed he won the 06 Mr. Olympia. It speaks volumes about the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument if you cite him as a source. Furthermore, show me where I said Team Flex, Bev Francis, Dorian Yates, and Peter McGough are all wrong.
yawn, "better triceps" my ass. Ronnie's have more hang and better definition.
lmfao you sound like pumpster with the ' show muscles ' ::) more hang what a fucking idiot , what about a better side head better proportion in relation to the biceps and forearms , again like Hulkster hyperfocusing on what you think is an advantage while ignoring the rest and please spare me your ' comparisons ' the end result of fan-boy delusion , and again I'm right about the forearms as well as the triceps so much for bull shit ;)
Ronnie is stupid, plain and simple. He's proven he's not a reliable source. The same guy denied any injuries when they were painfully obvious and believed he won the 06 Mr. Olympia. It speaks volumes about the strength (or lack thereof) of your argument if you cite him as a source. Furthermore, show me where I said Team Flex, Bev Francis, Dorian Yates, and Peter McGough are all wrong.
I always laugh when you type Ronnie is stupid lol just coming from you its ironic and he supplements my other sources thats how its done , and Team Flex was wrong Yates had a better back , Bev Francis is wrong Yates symmetry was near perfect , Yates is wrong stating he has better balance & conditioning than Ronnie , and McGough is wrong for stating Ronnie has NEVER been as hard or as dry as Dorian
again you're a hypocrite because you're guilty of everything you accused me of ;)
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Flex is better than Ronnie because he doesn't look pregnant any questions? ;)
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lmfao you sound like pumpster with the ' show muscles ' more hang what a fucking idiot , what about a better side head better proportion in relation to the biceps and forearms , again like Hulkster hyperfocusing on what you think is an advantage while ignoring the rest and please spare me your ' comparisons ' the end result of fan-boy delusion , and again I'm right about the forearms as well as the triceps so much for bull shit
sorry, all I heard was "I'm right and you're wrong." I'm waiting for your explanation for why Dorian has better triceps. ;)
I always laugh when you type Ronnie is stupid lol just coming from you its ironic and he supplements my other sources thats how its done , and Team Flex was wrong Yates had a better back , Bev Francis is wrong Yates symmetry was near perfect , Yates is wrong stating he has better balance & conditioning than Ronnie , and McGough is wrong for stating Ronnie has NEVER been as hard or as dry as Dorian
I already demonstrated why Ronnie isn't a reliable source. You undermine yourself every time you quote him to support your argument. As for Team Flex, Bev Francis and Dorian, I agreed with Team Flex about Ronnie having the best back, Bev Francis about symmetry = proportion, and Dorian about the judges choosing Ronnie over him. So I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about.
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sorry, all I heard was "I'm right and you're wrong." I'm waiting for your explanation for why Dorian has better triceps. ;)
I already demonstrated why he's not a reliable source. You undermine yourself every time you quote him to support your argument. As for Team Flex, Bev Francis and Dorian, I agreed with Team Flex about Ronnie having the best back, Bev Francis about symmetry = proportion, and Dorian about the judges choosing Ronnie over him. So I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about.
sorry, all I heard was "I'm right and you're wrong." I'm waiting for your explanation for why Dorian has better triceps. ;)
I've explained a million times and touched on it above , I know your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired but pay attention ;)
I already demonstrated why he's not a reliable source. You undermine yourself every time you quote him to support your argument. As for Team Flex, Bev Francis and Dorian, I agreed with Team Flex about Ronnie having the best back, Bev Francis about symmetry = proportion, and Dorian about the judges choosing Ronnie over him. So I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about.
Sure you did ::) Ronnie's points are supplemented with others thats called converging evidence Neo , look it up ;) no you DISAGREED with Team Flex and Ronnie and Samir when they said Yates has a better back , proportion is part of symmetry NOT all of it ;) and Yates never commited to an answer unlike Coleman who did ;) so nice try as usual Neo but run along you bore me ;)
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I've explained a million times and touched on it above , I know your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired but pay attention
saying "you sound like pumpster with the 'show muscles' more hang what a fucking idiot" doesn't constitute a valid explanation. I'm still waiting to hear why Dorian has better triceps when Ronnie beats him in overall triceps mass, separations, and striations. ;)
Sure you did Ronnie's points are supplemented with others thats called converging evidence Neo , look it up no you DISAGREED with Team Flex and Ronnie and Samir when they said Yates has a better back , proportion is part of symmetry NOT all of it and Yates never commited to an answer unlike Coleman who did so nice try as usual Neo but run along you bore me
I've posted 4x the amount of "converging evidence" as you. So what's your point?
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some crazy shots of Ronnie's striated triceps.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie123a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie125b.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie104.jpg)
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Ronnie's triceps even looked good in other poses besides the "side triceps."
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie92.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman29a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman40.jpg)
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saying "you sound like pumpster with the 'show muscles' more hang what a fucking idiot" doesn't constitute a valid explanation. I'm still waiting to hear why Dorian has better triceps when Ronnie beats him in overall triceps mass, separations, and striations. ;)
I've posted 4x the amount of "converging evidence" as you. So what's your point?
saying "you sound like pumpster with the 'show muscles' more hang what a fucking idiot" doesn't constitute a valid explanation. I'm still waiting to hear why Dorian has better triceps when Ronnie beats him in overall triceps mass, separations, and striations. ;)
Mass depending on the year now mass & density are two separate entities and I've explained a million times you just don't like the answer again he has a better side head it has better shape and separation , his triceps are striated as well now couple that with better proportion in relation between the rest of the ARMS Neo and you have your answer ;)
I've posted 4x the amount of "converging evidence" as you. So what's your point?
One no you didn't I never seen one single quote from anyone who states specific to the argument or Ronnie V Dorian that Ronnie is harder & drier than Yates ever was , I posted several specific ( key word ) and you posted questions and tried to past them off as declarations lmfao
and the bottom line is this , don't dare say I'm in conflict with those in the know especially when you're idiot who claims every pro Yates quote is wrong and you the ' certified personal trainer ' is right .
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Flex is better than Ronnie because he doesn't look pregnant any questions? ;)
It doesn't effect his mandatory poses.
Isn't that the same excuse you use to defend Dorian's horrible and ripped up arms? Fucking moron.
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some crazy shots of Ronnie's striated triceps.
Hey look ma striated triceps
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It doesn't effect his mandatory poses.
Isn't that the same excuse you use to defend Dorian's horrible and ripped up arms? Fucking moron.
It doesn't effect his mandatory poses? lol says you and what do you know? ( no much ) sure it does especially compared to someone who doesn't have any gut what so ever , looking pregnant is the antithesis of pure bodybuilding
I never said it didn't effect his mandatories in fact I said the only one it really would is the front double biceps shot , now don't you look stupid making shit up to try and prove a point , but you don't mind looking stupid now do you? ;)
stick to nursing Nasser's balls you're better at that .
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Mass depending on the year now mass & density are two separate entities and I've explained a million times you just don't like the answer again he has a better side head it has better shape and separation , his triceps are striated as well now couple that with better proportion in relation between the rest of the ARMS Neo and you have your answer
yawn, no pics = no argument. ;)
One no you didn't I never seen one single quote from anyone who states specific to the argument or Ronnie V Dorian that Ronnie is harder & drier than Yates ever was , I posted several specific ( key word ) and you posted questions and tried to past them off as declarations lmfao
I've posted plenty of quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie is better than Dorian, Ronnie has the best back ever, Ronnie is the most shredded bodybuilder ever. I even posted a quote from Ronnie himself saying he would beat a prime Dorian, which you conveniently ignore. Face it kid, if you want to bring quotes into this argument, then you've been soundly defeated.
and the bottom line is this , don't dare say I'm in conflict with those in the know especially when you're idiot who claims every pro Yates quote is wrong and you the ' certified personal trainer ' is right.
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Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
I just posted 7 quotes from people who all saw both Dorian and Ronnie compete on stage, and they all agree that Ronnie would beat Dorian. Now that's "converging evidence," kiddo. ;)
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Hey look ma striated triceps
too bad Dorian didn't have striated triceps when it counted most - the side triceps.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates67.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates53.jpg)
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yawn, no pics = no argument. ;)
I've posted plenty of quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie is better than Dorian, Ronnie has the best back ever, Ronnie is the most shredded bodybuilder ever. I even posted a quote from Ronnie himself saying he would beat a prime Dorian, which you conveniently ignore. Face it kid, if you want to bring quotes into this argument, then you've been soundly defeated.
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Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
I just posted 7 quotes from people who all saw both Dorian and Ronnie compete on stage, and they all agree that Ronnie would beat Dorian. Now that's "converging evidence." ;)
yawn, no pics = no argument. ;)
See above ;)
I've posted plenty of quotes saying Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie is better than Dorian, Ronnie has the best back ever, Ronnie is the most shredded bodybuilder ever. I even posted a quote from Ronnie himself saying he would beat a prime Dorian, which you conveniently ignore. Face it kid, if you want to bring quotes into this argument, then you've been soundly defeated.
Who is arguing to the contrary Ronnie isn't the greatest of all time? it doesn't matter lmfao that has NOTHING to do with if Yates could beat him ;) , again what makes your quotes about Ronnie having the best back right and mine wrong? answer the question LMFAO most shredded bodybuilder ever my ass
you NEVER posted a quote of Ronnie saying he would beat prime Yates thats an outright LIE he eluded to it and NEVER once committed to it BIG DIFFERENCE little man and the other lie is I ignored it , you're getting desperate Neo when you're forced to make shit up ;)
and you only defeated yourself because you're forced to make heavily slanted fan-boy comparisons and outright LIE about quotes you have NOTHING for me Ronnie Coleman has gone on record not once but twice saying he wouldn't beat Dorian , that ended the Truce Thread the only reason its still going is because of bitter fan-boys like yourself ;) and now you're forced to chasing me around trying to change every single thread into the truce thread
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005[/b]
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
That quote is obsolete ;)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212[/b]
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
LMFAO again who is arguing he's not the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived? not I. this has absolutely NOTHING to do with if Dorian could beat him at his best , again you post this idiot quotes for NO reason what so ever
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
and you say Ronnie is stupid lol this is the same guy who had Ronnie winning the pre-judging last year , enough said
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website[/b]
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
see the word probably ? look it up its an opinion doesn't make it true
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004[/b]
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
lmfao again you post this shit for NO reason this has NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates it has to do with Ronnie setting the bar in 2003 its stating the obvious , hint don't play the quote game because you're not any good at it
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999[/b]
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Same magazine Ernie Taylor states Dorian would have beaten Ronnie , again subjective opinion neither men are right or wrong you posted this all for not
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview[/b]
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
Now you're reduced to omitting parts of quote what followed that? the words " I don't KNOW " ;) no where is that definite answer to the question , see above about lying ;)
again enough with this shit , this has been beat to death I stated I think Flex is better than Ronnie because he was outstanding without looking pregnant and I stand by my point , lets stick to the topic fan boy . ;)
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too bad Dorian didn't have striated triceps when it counted most - the side triceps.
Again what does that matter? as a whole Dorian's side triceps shot blows Ronnie's out of the fucking water and thanks for proving my point Dorian's triceps are better than Ronnie's ( so was Flexes ) again Dorian has better triceps AND forearms ( pay attention idiot NOT bigger triceps but better ;) )
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See above
all I see is Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. Show me how they look in other poses like I did with Ronnie.
Who is arguing to the contrary Ronnie isn't the greatest of all time? it doesn't matter lmfao that has NOTHING to do with if Yates could beat him, again what makes your quotes about Ronnie having the best back right and mine wrong? answer the question LMFAO most shredded bodybuilder ever my ass
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
you NEVER posted a quote of Ronnie saying he would beat prime Yates thats an outright LIE he eluded to it and NEVER once committed to it BIG DIFFERENCE little man and the other lie is I ignored it , you're getting desperate Neo when you're forced to make shit up
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Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
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all I see is Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. Show me how they look in other poses like I did with Ronnie.
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
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Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
http://creditplushealth.org/health%20education%20content/ronnie%20coleman%20beating%20arnold.htm
all I see is Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. Show me how they look in other poses like I did with Ronnie.
It doesn't matter its shows striations and funny you tried to used that as an angle for Ronnie's triceps being better , but when posted with the same about Yates back you dismissed them as an advantage can you say hypocrite? ;)
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
my ass his back was comparable in definition in 1998 as it was in 2001 which ironically are hailed as his two best showings specifically because he was as hard & dry as he ever was , and 2003 ::) oh boy lol his back was huge and soft especially compared to 1998 and 2001 and stop trying to gather advantages over the years
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
NO WHERE does he commit to an answer and the two occasions he did commit to answer what did he say? yeah I thought so ;)
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I don't think dorian's triceps have ever looked this good.
striated and shapely, with larger size than dorian ever had.
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ps notice how ND is losing the whole flex vs ronnie argument (there never WAS an argument to begin with based on the visuals) and now he is back to dorian vs ronnie, which, like the flex argument, is stupid.
the visuals do not show dorian being better.
not at all.
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Oh and by the way Neo lol why are you posting quotes from Ronnie Coleman as some sort of proof of anything? he is after all according to you stupid lol yeah I thought so ;)
you're a simple little man Neo you're not in my league kid
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ps notice how ND is losing the whole flex vs ronnie argument (there never WAS an argument to begin with based on the visuals) and now he is back to dorian vs ronnie, which, like the flex argument, is stupid.
the visuals do not show dorian being better.
not at all.
LMFAO I didn't change this to Dorian you morons did , I said ( go and look ) lets stick to the topic , oh snap
owned
you're like Neo to simple , Flex is better because he doesn't have a GUT its that simple and the visuals prove my point . ;)
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Flex is better because he doesn't have a GUT its that simple and the visuals prove my point
no, the visuals prove flex is inferior in every way including 7 mandatory poses.
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no, the visuals prove flex is inferior in every way including 7 mandatory poses.
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To you sure , you're a delusional internet-fan-boy that gut can be seen in most of the mandatories and the same with the transition to them thats NOT bodybuilding kid and neither is his bitch tits any other questions ?
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To you sure , you're a delusional internet-fan-boy that gut can be seen in most of the mandatories and the same with the transition to them thats NOT bodybuilding kid and neither is his bitch tits any other questions ?
yes.
why do you know so little about bodybuilding such that you freak out when ever peak Ronnie tops all these lists?
and, as a follow up question:
why do you not seem to care that flex not only lost all those poses, but was softer and smaller than ronnie? sure Ronnie had a gut.
but flex had no lats compared to ronnie.
flaws are flaws.
being NARROW AS HELL is not bodybuilding either kid.
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yes.
why do you know so little about bodybuilding such that you freak out when ever peak Ronnie tops all these lists?
and, as a follow up question:
why do you not seem to care that flex not only lost all those poses, but was softer and smaller than ronnie? sure Ronnie had a gut.
but flex had no lats compared to ronnie.
flaws are flaws.
being NARROW AS HELL is not bodybuilding either kid.
I don't freak out thats your lame interpretation I disagree big difference I'm not melting down like you or Neo or pumpster did on the Truce Thread , I don't meltdown thats NOT my M.O. again its subjective especially about the backs it could go either way something I maintained always on subjective matters
and again what makes team Flex right and Ronnie Coleman , Samir Bannout & Markus Rhul wrong? they all say Yates has a better back are they ' freaking out ' as well? stop projecting your frustration level on me
Again both have advantages over the other I could list Flexes but it doesn't matter because despite any flaw you can name Flex still managed to beat Ronnie , however looking pregnant isn't a flaw its goes against everything bodybuilding is , Flex has the right amount of size , outstanding conditioning , shape and aesthetics and he doesn't look pregnant its that simple .
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Flex is narrow, there's nothing he can do about it.. He was born that way.. But he beat Ronnie in details of the back pose
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doesn't matter because despite any flaw you can name Flex still managed to beat Ronnie
yes, when Ronnie was competing in 1995..
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Flex is narrow, there's nothing he can do about it.. He was born that way.. But he beat Ronnie in details of the back pose
flex beat ANYONE in terms of the detail of the back double bi.
including dorian.
the problem was his back lacked thickness compared to dorian and ronnie. and he was narrow.
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yes, when Ronnie was competing in 1995..
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and 1996 and 1997 ;) stop seriously Ronnie was always wider than Flex that never stopped Flex was beating him and MANY more guys much wider
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flex beat ANYONE in terms of the detail of the back double bi.
including dorian.
the problem was his back lacked thickness compared to dorian and ronnie. and he was narrow.
Dorian said the one guy he thought who could give him problems was Flex despite not being as wide or as thick , again you have the balls to type Shawn Ray did beat Yates but he wasn't anywhere near as wide , its okay when you think its not big deal but if its Ronnie forget it another of the countless examples of you being a hypocrite and a internet-fan-boy ;)
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Shawn Ray did beat Yates but he wasn't anywhere near as wide
sigh.
you are so simple.
dorian in 94 WAS wider, but looked like shit compared to shawn according to everyone but you. ::)
Flex 93 was narrow compared to Ronnie, but also was smaller, and not as hard in many areas.
width was NOT the ONLY reason that Ronnie would win.
but it was one of several.
you still don't understand how this sport is judged - you still break it up into isolated peices and can't figure out that the sport is not judged that way..
eg. you insist that no matter what the rest of him looks like relative to Flex, ronnie should not win with a gut.
problem is, that is NOT how the judges look at it.
never have. never will.
no one else does either.
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eg. here is your gut man destroying flex
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sigh.
you are so simple.
dorian in 94 WAS wider, but looked like shit compared to shawn according to everyone but you. ::)
Flex 93 was narrow compared to Ronnie, but also was smaller, and not as hard in many areas.
width was NOT the ONLY reason that Ronnie would win.
but it was one of several.
you still don't understand how this sport is judged - you still break it up into isolated peices and can't figure out that the sport is not judged that way..
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MORON I posted a pic of Dorian in 1995 and you claimed Shawn was owning him despite not being anywhere near as wide or as thick or as big etc now thats okay but when flex beats Ronnie its NOT ::)
again Ronnie is wider it doesn't mean he would beat Flex , Flex has advantages Ronnie does NOT stop hyperfocusing on what YOU thinks wins contest as a whole when all things are considered Flex is better ;)
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Flex has advantages Ronnie does NOT stop hyperfocusing on what YOU thinks wins contest as a whole when all things are considered Flex is better
yeah, its just me who thinks so ::).
check the flex list again buddy... ::)
Ronnie tops the list killing flex, just like he topped the best back list killing dorian and finished last in the Peter McGough article about Mr. Olympia appearences that 'advanced the sport' besting dorian in that too.
pull out more hair kid. bite some more fingernails.
the bb community gives peak Ronnie the praise he deserves, rightfully putting him ahead of everyone else time after time.
deal with it kid
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It doesn't matter its shows striations and funny you tried to used that as an angle for Ronnie's triceps being better , but when posted with the same about Yates back you dismissed them as an advantage can you say hypocrite?
it does matter. Dorian's triceps lack striations in the very pose that's suppose to show them off - the side triceps. Regarding your comment about Dorian's back, I never dismissed his striated traps. I think they're pretty f*cking impressive. However, Ronnie's back as a whole is more impressive.
my ass his back was comparable in definition in 1998 as it was in 2001 which ironically are hailed as his two best showings specifically because he was as hard & dry as he ever was , and 2003 oh boy lol his back was huge and soft especially compared to 1998 and 2001 and stop trying to gather advantages over the years
huh? You just repeated what I said back to me, but worded it like you disagree with me. ???
NO WHERE does he commit to an answer and the two occasions he did commit to answer what did he say? yeah I thought so
Ronnie does commit to an answer. If he had simply said "who do you think?," then you might have something to work with. It doesn't get any more explicit than this.
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
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yeah, its just me who thinks so ::).
check the flex list again buddy... ::)
Ronnie tops the list killing flex, just like he topped the best back list killing dorian and finished last in the Peter McGough article about Mr. Olympia appearences that 'advanced the sport' besting dorian in that too.
pull out more hair kid. bite some more fingernails.
the bb community gives peak Ronnie the praise he deserves, rightfully putting him ahead of everyone else time after time.
deal with it kid
Do you have to try and follow every thing I do? ( kid ) stop playing follow the leader ;)
Again what makes Team Flex right and Ronnie Coleman , Markus Rhul , Team Flex ( 1999 ) Samir Bannout and Ellington Darden, Ph.D. wrong? you keep running from this question for a reason ;)
Peter McGough states Ronnie 2001 was his best showing ( which you denied ) and says its better than 1999 Mr Olympia ( which you denied ) and then goes on to state Ronnie couldn't beat Yates at 269 pounds so stop quoting him like it favors your point , it doesn't
and Ronnie Coleman himself said no once but twice he would never be able to beat Dorian what makes you or anyone more right then this man? ;) you have nothing as usual ....yeah I thought so ;)
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it does matter. Dorian's triceps lack striations in the very pose that's suppose to show them off - the side triceps. Regarding your comment about Dorian's back, I never dismissed his striated traps. I think they're pretty f*cking impressive. However, Ronnie's back as a whole is more impressive.
huh? You just repeated what I said back to me, but worded it like you disagree with me. ???
Ronnie does commit to an answer. If he had simply said "who do you think?," then you might have something to work with. It doesn't get any more explicit than this.
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
it does matter. Dorian's triceps lack striations in the very pose that's suppose to show them off - the side triceps. Regarding your comment about Dorian's back, I never dismissed his striated traps. I think they're pretty f*cking impressive. However, Ronnie's back as a whole is more impressive.
Who says that shot is supposed to show them off? it doesn't mater he has them you're arguing over trivial shit here , and it wasn't just the striated traps it was the lats & spinal erectors
huh? You just repeated what I said back to me, but worded it like you disagree with me. ???
I do disagree that Ronnie showed more definition in his back post 1999 his back was just as defined in 1998 as it was in 2001 so that does NOT render that list moot and in 2003 Ronnie's back was wider than it was in 1999 albeit softer and not as detailed again its not an advantage , Dorian's back at 269 pounds has the best of all worlds width , thickness , detail and separation better than Ronnie 2001 & 2003 as a whole
Ronnie does commit to an answer. If he had simply said "who do you think?," then you might have something to work with. It doesn't get any more explicit than this.
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
No he doesn't again thats a lie , please show me where he says I would beat them , he doesn't he eludes to it big difference and this does nothing for the two occasions he did commit to an answer and what did he say? yeah I thought so ;)
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Oh and by the way Neo lol why are you posting quotes from Ronnie Coleman as some sort of proof of anything? he is after all according to you stupid lol yeah I thought so
I posted the quote from Ronnie b/c it contradicts yours. I never would've used it if you didn't post the quote from him saying Dorian would beat him.
you're a simple little man Neo you're not in my league kid
ha ha ha, you keep thinking that. I'll keep tearing your arguments apart and let others decide who owns who.
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Who says that shot is supposed to show them off? it doesn't mater he has them you're arguing over trivial shit here , and it wasn't just the striated traps it was the lats & spinal erectors
the people who named the pose determined what it's supposed to show off, you dumbass.
I do disagree that Ronnie showed more definition in his back post 1999 his back was just as defined in 1998 as it was in 2001 so that does NOT render that list moot and in 2003 Ronnie's back was wider than it was in 1999 albeit softer and not as detailed again its not an advantage , Dorian's back at 269 pounds has the best of all worlds width , thickness , detail and separation better than Ronnie 2001 & 2003 as a whole
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"NUMBER ONE: RONNIE COLEMAN, 2001
Simply the best physique I’ve ever seen onstage. At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description. Ten seconds after he first walked out the contest was over."
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
No he doesn't again thats a lie , please show me where he says I would beat them , he doesn't he eludes to it big difference and this does nothing for the two occasions he did commit to an answer and what did he say? yeah I thought so
take an English class and then read the quote again. ;)
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I posted the quote from Ronnie b/c it contradicts yours. I never would've used it if you didn't post the quote from him saying Dorian would beat him.
ha ha ha, you keep thinking that. I'll keep tearing your arguments apart and let others decide who owns who.
I posted the quote from Ronnie b/c it contradicts yours. I never would've used it if you didn't post the quote from him saying Dorian would beat him.
It does NOT contradict mine not in the least he NEVER commits to an answer so much for your stupidity and again even if it did he's stupid ( according to you ) so its moot so once again you're back where you started with nothing
ha ha ha, you keep thinking that. I'll keep tearing your arguments apart and let others decide who owns who.
to bad you NEVER ' tore my argument ' apart again you've said it was wrong BIG DIFFERENCE between saying its wrong and proving its wrong , my argument still stands Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better balance & proportion ( proven ) better density & dryness ( proven ) more complete ( obvious ) a better technical poser ( duh ) and meets the criteria better ( old news ) all you have is denial and anyone who agrees with you is just as dumb as you and remember I'm teaching YOU about competitive bodybuilding not vice versa , as far as knowing competitive bodybuilding you're not in my league kid ( proven fact ;) )
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the people who named the pose determined what it's supposed to show off, you dumbass.
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"NUMBER ONE: RONNIE COLEMAN, 2001
Simply the best physique I’ve ever seen onstage. At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description. Ten seconds after he first walked out the contest was over."
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
take an English class and then read the quote again. ;)
the people who named the pose determined what it's supposed to show off, you dumbass.
Idiot STRIATIONS are genetic not everyone has them and when the pose was named the levels of conditioning where NO WHERE near showing striations lmfao just another example of you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about lol fuck me you're simple
"NUMBER ONE: RONNIE COLEMAN, 2001
Simply the best physique I’ve ever seen onstage. At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description. Ten seconds after he first walked out the contest was over."
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
again idiot what does any of these quotes have to do with DORIAN YATES at 269 pounds? NOTHING why do you do this to yourself? you make it to easy to expose how stupid you are
take an English class and then read the quote again. ;)
please show me definitively where he states he would beat any of them , please Neo do so ;)
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What does conditioning have to do with anything? Flex had outstanding conditioning at the 93 ASC without that ridiculous gut
I stilll can't believe this moron thinks he has a clue what he is talking about ..
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here is Ronnie teaching YOU and FLEX a lesson in conditioning:
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NUMBER THREE: JAY CUTLER, 2002
Apart from the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest maybe the hardest he’s ever been. With deeply embedded abs and full thighs more ripped than Britney Spears’ copy of Hide and Seek For Dummies, Cutler relegated Chris Cormier to the third of what was to become a run of six consecutive runner-up spots.
is this a a joke?
cormier was much better that night and jay is ranked 3rd all time ???
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top 6:
Silvio
Gus
Dex
Phil
Branch
Kai
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is this a a joke?
cormier was much better that night and jay is ranked 3rd all time ???
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wasn't that the night that chris should have won?
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I stilll can't believe this moron thinks he has a clue what he is talking about ..
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here is Ronnie teaching YOU and FLEX a lesson in conditioning:
yeah , yeah , sure sure ::) Flex is just as hard & dry ( if not drier ) than Ronnie .
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wasn't that the night that chris should have won?
he should've won then and in 2004
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yeah , yeah , sure sure ::) Flex is just as hard & dry ( if not drier ) than Ronnie .
bullshit he was.
he was harder in the lower back.
abs.
nowhere else buddy.
see for yourself.
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bullshit he was.
he was harder in the lower back.
abs.
nowhere else buddy.
see for yourself.
LMFAO see yourself what do you know about conditioning? zero you're the idiot who claimed Ronnie was grainier than Dorian ever was LMFAO
STFU Hulkster your stupidity is boring.
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ND, how does it feel to be owned by me and everyone (including flex magazine) yet again?
this is becoming a habit for you.
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ND, how does it feel to be owned by me and everyone (including flex magazine) yet again?
this is becoming a habit for you.
Hulkster again what do you know about conditioning? you claimed Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian ever was which is laughable and here is another example of your ignorance you claimed a Flex lacking in conditioning especially compared to his 93 ASC win , actually beat a much harder & drier Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
I ask again what do you know about conditioning? NOTHING stop trying to deflect from your ignorance
How does it feel being owned by your own hero? ;)
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you claimed Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian ever was which is laughable
laughable my ass. ::)
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laughable my ass. ::)
typical hulkster bullshit when asked a simple question he doesn't answer and posts pictures ! again answer the question how is Ronnie more dry & grainy than Dorian ever was , we're waiting ;)
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yeah, who would think of posting pictures when proving points about physiques in bodybuilding...
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you should really pick another sport.
you have no clue how this one works. :-\
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yeah, who would think of posting pictures when proving points about physiques in bodybuilding...
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you should really pick another sport.
you have no clue how this one works. :-\
again ANSWER the question stop posting pictures and making declarations , stop running from giving a detailed explanation exactly how and why Ronnie is more dry & grainy than Dorian , stop avoiding the question
we're all waiting with all that scary knowledge you pocess LMFAO I'm still laughing at Yates lost in 1993 to Flex
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This is your quote
" Its truly amazing how dry & grainy Ronnie was in 1999: he even beats Dorian in this regard,easily . "
lmfao you're the ONLY idiot I've ever seen refer to Ronnie was ' grainy ' lol this is indicative of how little you know about conditioning , just like the ' soft ' Flex beat the much harder & drier Yates in 1993 again what do you know?
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again ANSWER the question stop posting pictures and making declarations , stop running from giving a detailed explanation exactly how and why Ronnie is more dry & grainy than Dorian , stop avoiding the question
we're all waiting with all that scary knowledge you pocess LMFAO I'm still laughing at Yates lost in 1993 to Flex
what the fuck does dorian have to do with Ronnie once again topping flex's list.
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ND is a bitter bitter man.
why is ronnie grainer?
because you can clearly see he is more detailed, drier, more vascular with deep deep cuts, (deeper than bill gates' pockets in fact) etc.
its right there in front of your eyes buddy.
we all can see it.
why can't you? ::)
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what the fuck does dorian have to do with Ronnie once again topping flex's list.
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ND is a bitter bitter man.
why is ronnie grainer?
because you can clearly see he is more detailed, drier, more vascular with deep deep cuts, (deeper than bill gate's pockets in fact) etc.
its right there in front of your eyes buddy.
we all can see it.
why can't you? ::)
LMFAO such a bull shit generic explanation vascularity has NOTHING to do with a grainy appearance neither does depth , you're so full of shit and NO ONE agrees with you Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian thats a LIE another Hulkster lie because you don't have anything and never did , Ronnie's NEVER been as hard or as dry as Dorian NEVERMIND as grainy you're a know nothing fan-boy
and I love how you want off this topic in the worse way because you're fucking owned badly , the topic is conditioning you made the dumbass claim Flex isn't as hard or dry as Ronnie 2001 and my response was how the fuck would you know? you're the idiot making claims that Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian and a softer Flex beat a much harder & drier Dorian in 1993 again you know nothing
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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ND please explain how dorian was more grainy.
lol
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take up knitting. this sport is too hard for you.
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ND please explain how dorian was more grainy.
lol
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take up knitting. this sport is too hard for you.
As soon as you give me a detailed explanation on Ronnie was again nice jog avoiding the question , you gave some bullshit Ronnie was more grainy because he's more vascular LMMFAO you actually had the balls to type this , and don't try and turn the tables on me kid you're the idiot who is running not me
I'm still laughing out loud that Ronnie is more grainy because he has more veins ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
what a moron
and this sport is to hard for me? you're the idiot who claims graininess is the byproduct of veins and Ronnie has better detailed calves LOL and Flex won in 1993 , etc , etc
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vascularity is one of the indicators of conditiioning.
look: ronnie is so dry and paper-thin skinned his veins look like they are about to burst through his skin.
oh, and nice job on ignoring all the visuals like you always do...
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I post shots of ronnie owning dorian in the conditoining department and what do you do?
ignore them in favor of some written words lol
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idiot who claims graininess is the byproduct of veins
what the fuck?
I see your reading comprehension skills are still just as bad as everyone says they are..
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vascularity is one of the indicators of conditiioning.
look: ronnie is so dry and paper-thin skinned his veins look like they are about to burst through his skin.
oh, and nice job on ignoring all the visuals like you always do...
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I post shots of ronnie owning dorian in the conditoining department and what do you do?
ignore them in favor of some written words lol
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NO you used vasculairty as an explanation on why Ronnie is more GRAINY , grainy which is a fucking joke Ronnie is NOT grainy thats another one of your stupid ass statements
vasculairty is part & parcel of being dry and hard ( and its genetic like striations 0 but is has absolutely NOTHING to do with being grainy thats another Hulkster lie
Again you got your ass handed to you in the other thread when you typed Ronnie was drier than Yates and you wanted out of that thread fast for a reason because you don't know what you're talking about as usual
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what the fuck?
I see your reading comprehension skills are still just as bad as everyone says they are..
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hy is ronnie grainer?
because you can clearly see he is more detailed, drier, more vascular with deep deep cuts
he's more grainer because ' more vascular '
owned ;)
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laughable my ass.
Quosque tandem abutere, Hulkster, patientia mea?
Dude, saying that Ronnie had equivalent conditioning to Yates is like saying Yates is more aesthetic than Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia. It is just stupid. Stop it. Just stop it. Seriously. :-\
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Quosque tandem abutere, Hulkster, patientia mea?
Dude, saying that Ronnie had equivalent conditioning to Yates is like saying Yates is more aesthetic than Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia. It is just stupid. Stop it. Just stop it. Seriously. :-\
yeah, look how stupid it is...
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if it is so stupid, why do the visuals support exactly what I am saying?
yeah, I thought so.. :P
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Quosque tandem abutere, Hulkster, patientia mea?
Dude, saying that Ronnie had equivalent conditioning to Yates is like saying Yates is more aesthetic than Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia. It is just stupid. Stop it. Just stop it. Seriously. :-\
Great post ! this kid is stupid not because he's ignorant but because he knows he's proven soundly wrong and he insists on making claims to the contrary he hates thats he's wrong and I'm right ( among others ) because it goes back to me knowing more about competitive bodybuilding than him ( old news )
can you believe he actually typed Ronnie easily beats Dorian being grainy?? lol
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yeah, look how stupid it is...
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if it is so stupid, why do the visuals support exactly what I am saying?
yeah, I though so.. :P
you though so? and visuals are severly limited just look at the difference between two pictures at the exact same moment , and you're the retard going to tell people who were actually live & in person they are wrong looking at pictures on your computer LMFAO
you earned your title well " internet-fan-boy " ;)
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quick everyone! look at how much better conditioned dorian was than a peak ronnie!
:o
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and this was dorian at his most dry, in 95..
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how is the knitting going?
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quick everyone! look at how much better conditioned dorian was than a peak ronnie!
:o
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and this was dorian at his most dry, in 95..
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how is the knitting going?
Everyone look how much more GRAINY Ronnie was LMMFAO you may be stupid but you're always good for a laugh
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LOL
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you guys are morons.
if you could support your claims with evidence, that would be one thing. but you CANNOT.
but the reality is that peak ronnie was just as dry and conditioned f not more so than dorian.
and you can't accept it, just like you can't seem to accept all these lists that Ronnie tops.
I mean seriously:
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LOL
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you guys are morons.
if you could support your claims with evidence, that would be one thing. but you CANNOT.
but the reality is that peak ronnie was just as dry and conditioned f not more so than dorian.
and you can't accept it, just like you can't seem to accept all these lists that Ronnie tops.
I mean seriously:
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Now you're back peddling how he's just as dry & conditioned as Dorian LMFAO a few posts ago Ronnie beat Dorian in this department easily lol you're such an ignorant backpeddling jackass
I'm still laughing at Ronnie was grainer than Dorian because he was more vascular LOL
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yeah, look how stupid it is...
if it is so stupid, why do the visuals support exactly what I am saying?
yeah, I thought so..
How many times have I told you I've seen both Yates and Ronnie live? In my 40 years I've been to some 200 bodybuilding shows, both amateur and pro, including 3 Olympias(1996/00/07) and I've never seen anything that comes even close to Yates in dryness.
When he walked onstage at the 1996 Olympia, a contest when he wasn't even at his best, everyone gasped in shock. It was like
a corpse out of the morgue came back to life, oiled up, and stepped onstage. You had to be there to see it. He seemed almost like his skin was going to shrink inside his body. The best way to describe him was that his muscles looked like they were made out of rock and were wrapped in prune-shrinked skin.
You are aware of the fact that you're comparing a bodybuilder notorious for his tendency to hold water and have faulty conditioning - Ronnie Coleman -, to a man who arguably had the best conditioning ever, right ??? This is not only the opinion of a man who saw it live, but of thousands of people who saw it live. Why can't you understand this?
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How many times have I told you I've seen both Yates and Ronnie live? In my 40 years I've been to some 200 bodybuilding shows, both amateur and pro, including 3 Olympias(1996/00/07) and I've never seen anything that comes even close to Yates in dryness.
When he walked onstage at the 1996 Olympia, a contest when he wasn't even at his best, everyone gasped in shock. It was like
a corpse out of the morgue came back to life, oiled up, and stopped onstage. You had to be there to see it. He seemed like almost like his skin was going to shrink inside his body. The best way to describe him was that his muscles looked like they were made out of rock and were wrapped in prune-shrinked skin.
You are aware of the fact that you're comparing a bodybuilder notorious for his tendency to hold water and have faulty conditioning - Ronnie Coleman -, to a man who arguably had the best conditioning ever, right ??? This is not only the opinion of a man who saw it live, but of thousands of people who saw it live. Why can't you understand this?
Another who agrees with your opinion
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
and the balls of this kid to suggest your and everyone else is wrong despite NEVER once stepping foot at ANY show nevermind the ones in question he's melting down all over the place.
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I'm still laughing at Ronnie was grainer than Dorian because he was more vascular LOL
thats because you don't know how to fucking READ.
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thats because you don't know how to fucking READ.
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Sure I do you listed one of the reasons why Ronnie is more grainy than Dorian is because he's more vasclar which is among the dumbest things you ever typed you're not getting out of this one kid lol I love when I press you for an answer and you crack and just type the dumbest shit ! and man did Cigaretteman fucking crush you and your stupidity lol wait he's wrong you have pictures
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA the meltdown continues lol
in all seriousness you don't know much about competitive bodybuilding its okay we all didn't start out knowing a damn thing and you learn your problem is you're to stupid to learn and would rather believe your own bullshit I know you're a proud man but you're a joke.
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While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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You are aware of the fact that you're comparing a bodybuilder notorious for his tendency to hold water and have faulty conditioning - Ronnie Coleman -, to a man who arguably had the best conditioning ever, right
and you are aware that Ronnie Coleman at his peak was famously cut detailed and dry right?
just because Ronnie held water in 2002 or 3 does NOT mean he was holding water to the same degree at his peak.
look: ::)
cuts deeper than bill gates' pockets morons:
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and you are aware that Ronnie Coleman at his peak was famously cut detailed and dry right?
just because Ronnie held water in 2002 or 3 does NOT mean he was holding water to the same degree at his peak.
look: ::)
cuts deeper than bill gates' pockets morons:
owned you posted a pic from 1999 NOT 2001
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Dorian OWNS Ronnie in hardness & dryness
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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owned you posted a pic from 1999 NOT 2001
doesn't matter- point still stands.
you guys cannot produce visuals that show dorian was grainer and drier overall.
eg. here is your dorian at your '269 pounds' that you like to go on about getting OWNED in the conditioning department.
care to comment?
lol
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doesn't matter- point still stands.
you guys cannot produce visuals that show dorian was grainer and drier overall.
eg. here is your dorian at your '269 pounds' that you like to go on about getting OWNED in the conditioning department.
care to comment?
lol
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Again pictures mean DICK compared to real life live & in person visuals jackass everyone owns you
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
and see above pics ;)
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nice wrinkles of loose skin on dorian's lower back
yeah, better conditioning my ass.
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doesn't matter- point still stands.
you guys cannot produce visuals that show dorian was grainer and drier overall.
eg. here is your dorian at your '269 pounds' that you like to go on about getting OWNED in the conditioning department.
care to comment?
lol
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I'll comment you're posting a professional studio shot of a post contest Ronnie , to a gym shot of Dorian untanned no posing oil and NO professional lighting and you have the balls to comment on who is better conditioned?
LMMFAO the meltdown continues lol
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Again pictures mean DICK compared to real life live & in person visuals jackass everyone owns you
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you mean like this:
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets.
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come back when you have an argument. ::)
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Dorian could never reach this level of shape, size, and detail.
I think this was Ronnie's best showing - at 287 lbs.
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you mean like this:
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come back when you have an argument. ::)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
owned ;) and this is specific to Dorian VS Ronnie lol loser
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I'll comment you're posting a professional studio shot of a post contest Ronnie , to a gym shot of Dorian untanned no posing oil and NO professional lighting and you have the balls to comment on who is better conditioned?
LMMFAO the meltdown continues lol
LOL meltdown?
okay Mr. I am so insecure and bitter that I hijack every thread where Ronnie tops yet another list or article
you can't deal with how good Ronnie was at his peak. period.
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and you are aware that Ronnie Coleman at his peak was famously cut detailed and dry right?
just because Ronnie held water in 2002 or 3 does NOT mean he was holding water to the same degree at his peak.
look:
cuts deeper than bill gates' pockets morons:
Coleman at his peak was famously cut and vascular, yes. Dry? No. Never. At the 1998 Olympia he had excellent dryness, but it was still inferior to several bodybuilders like Benaziza, Shawn Ray, Labrada, Branch Warren, Johny Fuller and Yates. these are facts, my friends. Please note I'm talking exclusively about dryness here.
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Dorian could never reach this level of shape, size, and detail.
I think this was Ronnie's best showing - at 287 lbs.
lmfao shape
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LOL meltdown?
okay Mr. I am so insecure and bitter that I hijack every thread where Ronnie tops yet another list or article
you can't deal with how good Ronnie was at his peak. period.
I never mentioned Yates in this thread you trolls did and you're melting down you said Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian because he was more vascular LMFAO
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Coleman at his peak was famously cut and vascular, yes. Dry? No. Never. At the 1998 Olympia he had excellent dryness, but it was still inferior to several bodybuilders like Benaziza, Shawn Ray, Labrada, Branch Warren, Johny Fuller and Yates. these are facts, my friends. Please note I'm talking exclusively about dryness here.
Great post ! someone who gets it.
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Coleman at his peak was famously cut and vascular, yes. Dry? No. Never. At the 1998 Olympia he had excellent dryness, but it was still inferior to several bodybuilders like Benaziza, Shawn Ray, Labrada, Branch Warren, Johny Fuller and Yates. these are facts, my friends. Please note I'm talking exclusively about dryness here.
facts according to you and no one else that cannot be validated by anything visual..
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ronnie not as dry as branch, momo etc.
yeah, sure..
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lmfao shape
what a sad bitter man you are.. :-\
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facts according to you and no one else that cannot be validated by anything visual..
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ronnie not as dry as branch, momo etc.
yeah, sure..
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Hulkster its been validated by visuals from people who seen Dorian & Ronnie at their best you're wrong and a liar
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you
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what a sad bitter man you are.. :-\
meltdown continues lol
Ronnie is more grainy because he's more vascular LMFAO sad is right !
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Hulkster its been validated by visuals from people who seen Dorian & Ronnie at their best you're wrong and a liar
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you
LOL you are picking and choosing which quotes to believe and which ones to ignore! ::) here is your 269 pound dorian getting OWNED in the conditioning deparment:
lol run away now little kid:
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At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
(this is me arguing the way ND does.. ::))
notice: no pics posted either..
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At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
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LOL you are picking and choosing which quotes to believe and which ones to ignore! ::) here is your 269 pound dorian getting OWNED in the conditioning deparment:
lol run away now little kid:
the sad part if you actually believe that
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check out dorian's better conditioning:
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oh, and:
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
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meltdown ( continues )
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meltdown ( continues )
At 245 pounds King Ron was full and shredded from head-to-toe: his cuts being deeper than Bill Gates’ pockets. His delts, arms and chest were spectacular, his back really beyond description.
:P ::)
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check out dorian's better conditioning:
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oh, and:
He posts pics of 1999 and quotes from 2001 LMFAO
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facts according to you and no one else that cannot be validated by anything visual..
ronnie not as dry as branch, momo etc.
yeah, sure..
"Sigh"
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"Sigh"
Now you know who you're dealing with !
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check out dorian's better conditioning:
oh, and:
I hope you are aware of the fact that these pics are from the 1999 Olympia and 1999 British Grand Prix, where they used stage lighting, the same they use at live T.V shows to enhance the apperance of the live performers. If you note, Nasser looks muhc, much better under those lights than he usually does. Mere coincidence? I think not. Now imagine Yates circa 1993 Olympia under those lights. :)
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LOL now its the "lighting"
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you guys will come up with anything to deny the truth, won't you?
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the sad part if you actually believe that
its more sad that you deny it. its right there in front of you.
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yet again, you are fighting a losing argument, without visual support, as always, filled with excuse after excuse as usual..
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Now imagine Yates circa 1993 Olympia under those lights.
true.
his smoothness and lack of cuts will probably look even worse..
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its more sad that you deny it. its right there in front of you.
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yet again, you are fighting a losing argument, without visual support, as always, filled with excuse after excuse as usual..
I posted several pictures clearly showing Dorian is drier & harder and I supplemented with this quote what have you done?
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you
it states pictures mean NOTHING because in the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos all you're left with is excuses
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yes ND. just keep believing that the mountains of visuals mean nothing.
I am sure glad the rest of the bb community is not as stupid as you are..
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yes ND. just keep believing that the mountains of visuals mean nothing.
I am sure glad the rest of the bb community is not as stupid as you are..
if the rest of the bb community believes Ronnie was grainier than Dorian and he was grainer because he was more vascular and Ronnie had more detail in his calves than Dorian then I could care less what they thinks
and again this is from someone who was there were you? yeah I thought so ;)
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you
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Hulkster its been validated by visuals from people who seen Dorian & Ronnie at their best you're wrong and a liar
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you
yeah, okay Peter.... ::)
visuals mean nothing LOL
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oh, I suppose the fact that Ronnie owns dorian is just because of the 'lighting"..
LMAO...
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you guys are so stupid its crazy.. :-\
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yeah, okay Peter.... ::)
visuals mean nothing LOL
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oh, I suppose the fact that Ronnie owns dorian is just because of the 'lighting"..
LMAO...
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you guys are so stupid its crazy.. :-\
funny thing is McGough was at there for that photoshoot and at the 2001 ASC if anyone is qualified to speak on the topic he is and what did he say? yeah I thought so .
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LOL now its the "lighting"
you guys will come up with anything to deny the truth, won't you?
Stop rolling your eyes like an idiot. I bring a perfectly valid point. Again, answer me why Nasser looks far more spectacular under those lights than he did at any other contest? The answer is obvious: the lightinh enhanced the way his muscles look. There is no other possible explanation. Nasser was at his best at the 1999 ASC and he didn't look as impressive as he did under the 1999 Olympia stage light.
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Idiot STRIATIONS are genetic not everyone has them and when the pose was named the levels of conditioning where NO WHERE near showing striations lmfao just another example of you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about lol fuck me you're simple
the side triceps is meant to showcase the triceps development. This includes definition. It doesn't matter if nobody had striated triceps when the pose was first named. Conditioning has improved since then. As a result, the standard for definition has been raised. Your objection is akin to me saying Dorian's striated traps, lats, and lower back don't matter since nobody had that level of conditioning when the back double biceps and back lat spread were named. Talk about a f*cking moron, and you're calling me simple? ::)
again idiot what does any of these quotes have to do with DORIAN YATES at 269 pounds? NOTHING why do you do this to yourself? you make it to easy to expose how stupid you are
read your own comment again, you dumbass.
"I do disagree that Ronnie showed more definition in his back post 1999 his back was just as defined in 1998 as it was in 2001"
I wasn't comparing Ronnie with Dorian at 269 lbs. I was responding to your claim that Ronnie's back didn't improve from 98 to 01. Learn to read, dipshit.
please show me definitively where he states he would beat any of them , please Neo do so
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
there are only 2 logical interpretations - either he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it? ;)
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funny thing is McGough was at there for that photoshoot and at the 2001 ASC if anyone is qualified to speak on the topic he is and what did he say? yeah I thought so .
yes, and the video clearly proves that what he said was completely and totally incorrect.
talk is cheap without validation you idiot.
he is also dorian's good friend.
coincidence?
you tell me. ::)
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yeah, okay Peter....
Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.
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Stop rolling your eyes like an idiot. I bring a perfectly valid point
no, you bring a perfectly invalid excuse yet again as to why the visuals do not support what you guys are saying.
they support what we are saying, which is also validated by quotes like the one in the article about the AC to begin with..
you guys spend all your time coming up with reasons (ie ridiculous excuses) as to why dorian does not look better/better conditioned than Ronnie coleman does at his peak.
the fact that he was NOT as good or NOT as well conditioned does not seem to be one of the possibilities you are considering.
which is stupid.
because that is the whole damn reason why dorian gets dominated by (peak) ronnie in the first place..
despite what you say, there is no hocus pocus to dorian yates
he was not magical.
what you see is what you get just like everyone else: see the crazy conditioning for yourself. it owns dorian yates.
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Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.
great post.
these guys are grasping at conspiracy theories at this point.
any excuse (just like in the truce thread) why dorian does not look as good.
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Isn't this supposed to be about the best Arnold Classic physiques? Ronnie and Flex presented 2 of the best physiques of all-time when they both won this contest for the first time.
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Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Peter knows his shit.....
(http://www.start-page.com/separatedatbirth/jiminyglick.jpg)
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Isn't this supposed to be about the best Arnold Classic physiques? Ronnie and Flex presented 2 of the best physiques of all-time when they both won this contest for the first time.
agreed. but once again, ND cannot win because reality (visuals) work against him.
so he goes back to dorian vs ronnie, where the same exact thing happens.. ::)
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Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness.
Which is analogous to saying that no one has matched Dorian's conditioning.
Hardness&dryness = conditioning
So what's your point?
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The quality of this screencap is mindboggling ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203375.0;attach=237771;image)
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Which is analogous to saying that no one has matched Dorian's conditioning.
Hardness&dryness = conditioning
almost, but not quite. You're forgetting about being shredded. Ronnie was able to drop more body fat than Dorian. This is evident by Ronnie's better display of separations and striations from head to toe. Genetics influence where you're most (or least) likely to store body fat. A person can have great genetics for displaying striated triceps, but the subcutaneous fat that would normally cover it up must be stored somewhere else (e.g. midsection, back, glutes, etc) otherwise they have a lower body fat % by default.
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almost, but not quite. You're forgetting about being shredded. Ronnie was able to drop more body fat than Dorian.
Speculation. You don't know if Ronnie dropped more fat than Dorian. Furthermore, I have already explained to you - to no avail -, that there are factors other than bodyfat which play a role in determining how deep a muscle's definition will be.
This is evident by Ronnie's better display of separations and striations from head to toe. Genetics influence where you're most (or least) likely to store body fat. A person can have great genetics for displaying striated triceps, but the subcutaneous fat that would normally cover it up must be stored somewhere else (e.g. midsection, back, glutes, etc) otherwise they have a lower body fat % by default.
Unlikely. Genetics also determine the insertion point of muscles in the tendom, and that affects muscular definition. Again, andreas Munzer showed striations when he was off-season, while there are bodybuilders in contest shape who lack them.
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Speculation. You don't know if Ronnie dropped more fat than Dorian. Furthermore, I have already explained to you - to no avail -, that there are factors other than bodyfat which play a role in determining how deep a muscle's definition will be.
that's like saying Peter McGough's assessment is all speculation. The fact is we will never truly know Dorian's and Ronnie's lean body mass when they competed since nobody measured them using hydrostatic weighing. So the next best thing is to use visuals to estimate their body fat and water levels. Medical literature supports my assessment that Ronnie was more shredded than Dorian.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie43a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie40a.jpg)
Unlikely. Genetics also determine the insertion point of muscles in the tendom, and that affects muscular definition. Again, andreas Munzer showed striations when he was off-season, while there are bodybuilders in contest shape who lack them.
your response doesn't make any sense. If a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go?
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that's like saying Peter McGough's assessment is all speculation. The fact is we will never truly know Dorian's and Ronnie's lean body mass when they competed since nobody measured them using hydrostatic weighing. So the next best thing is to use visuals to estimate their body fat and water levels. Medical literature supports my assessment that Ronnie was more shredded than Dorian.
The fact is that it is pure speculation on your part that Ronnie's superior definition was the result of lower bodyfat. There are other elements that affect it. Furthermore, I contend that Dorian was harder exacly because he had lower bodyfat. Can you prove me wrong? No, you can't. McGough was referring to both bodyfat and water levels when he said no bodybuilder has been as hard and dry as Dorian. In this case:
Hard = low bodyfat&water levels.
Dry = especifically referring to low water levels.
You become harder by losing bodyfat. There is no other plausible alternative.
your response doesn't make any sense. If a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go?
It is your question that doesen't make any sense. Seriously. Read it again and you'll see that there's no coherence to it.
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The fact is that it is pure speculation on your part that Ronnie's superior definition was the result of lower bodyfat.
no kidding it's speculation on my part since I never hydrostatically weighed Dorian and Ronnie. However, it's no more speculation than Peter McGough's assessment. We're both using visuals to estimate their body fat and water levels.
There are other elements that affect it.
for example?
Furthermore, I contend that Dorian was harder exacly because he had lower bodyfat. Can you prove me wrong? No, you can't. McGough was referring to both bodyfat and water levels when he said no bodybuilder has been as hard and dry as Dorian.
I can prove you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt using medical literature. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.
Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed better definition from head to toe than Dorian. Therefore, it logically follows that he had better overall conditioning. Now give me your explanation for why Dorian had lower body fat and water levels. And don't give me a quote b/c I can easily provide quotes supporting my argument. ;)
It is your question that doesen't make any sense. Seriously. Read it again and you'll see that there's no coherence to it.
my question makes perfect sense. Genetics influence separations and striations by determining where we are most (or least) likely to store body fat. A person can have great genetics for displaying striated triceps, but the subcutaneous fat that would normally cover it up must be stored somewhere else. For example, my arms and chest are pretty defined even at a higher bf% but I tend to store the extra fat around my waist. One of my friends, however, has the opposite problem - he has visible abs at a higher bf% but his arms and chest lack definition.
Now let's look at my question again. If a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go?
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I think its the personality of the 5 posters - whereas most of us give our few points and don't care about getting the last word in or not, these guys will continue repeating themselves almost every day, reposting the same pictures, all in attempt to get the last word. As long as personalities like that exist I think the thread will last until eternity :-\
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GIVE THESE ENORMOUS guys THIER OWN FORUM TO SIT AND ARGUE AND JACK OFF ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC ALL DAY FOR THE REST OF DAYS.
O GOD WHY DO I CLICK ON THESE LINKS WHEN I KNOW IT WILL DETERIORATE INTO THIS MUSCLE GAYNING?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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the side triceps is meant to showcase the triceps development. This includes definition. It doesn't matter if nobody had striated triceps when the pose was first named. Conditioning has improved since then. As a result, the standard for definition has been raised. Your objection is akin to me saying Dorian's striated traps, lats, and lower back don't matter since nobody had that level of conditioning when the back double biceps and back lat spread were named. Talk about a f*cking moron, and you're calling me simple? ::)
read your own comment again, you dumbass.
"I do disagree that Ronnie showed more definition in his back post 1999 his back was just as defined in 1998 as it was in 2001"
I wasn't comparing Ronnie with Dorian at 269 lbs. I was responding to your claim that Ronnie's back didn't improve from 98 to 01. Learn to read, dipshit.
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
there are only 2 logical interpretations - either he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it? ;)
the side triceps is meant to showcase the triceps development. This includes definition. It doesn't matter if nobody had striated triceps when the pose was first named. Conditioning has improved since then. As a result, the standard for definition has been raised. Your objection is akin to me saying Dorian's striated traps, lats, and lower back don't matter since nobody had that level of conditioning when the back double biceps and back lat spread were named. Talk about a f*cking moron, and you're calling me simple? ::)
Again you're arguing over dumb shit he has striated triceps just because you can't see them in the side triceps shot means NOTHING what does it mean? he's triceps aren't well defined? lol and again striations aren't always a great indicator of a well conditioned person because you can be holding water and still be striated even without the striations in the side triceps shot Dorian is still the driest & hardest guy
read your own comment again, you dumbass.
"I do disagree that Ronnie showed more definition in his back post 1999 his back was just as defined in 1998 as it was in 2001"
I wasn't comparing Ronnie with Dorian at 269 lbs
you made the claim that quote was useless because it was from 1999 and Ronnie's back improved by 2001/2003 , his back didn't improve by 2001 thats simple not true and how did it improve by 2003? he was wider but it came at the expense of detail & hardness so having a wider softer back is improvement? bottom line what makes the latest team flex list more valid than the old one and many other who have said Yates back is better all post 2001 with the Ronnie quote coming from 2003 !! as well, its all a matter of opinion on a very subjective topic ! to claim this list is valid and anyone else who disagrees is wrong is laughable I've said many times its arguable thats the difference you people are claiming its law and its not
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
there are only 2 logical interpretations - either he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it?
it doesn't matter what the logical interpretations are he NEVER committed to an answer , I said many times he eluded to it but NEVER committed to a definite answer on the two occasions he did commit to a definite answer and elaborated on it what was his answer? that Dorian would beat him, so all you're left with his playing with words .
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Again you're arguing over dumb shit he has striated triceps just because you can't see them in the side triceps shot means NOTHING what does it mean? he's triceps aren't well defined? lol and again striations aren't always a great indicator of a well conditioned person because you can be holding water and still be striated even without the striations in the side triceps shot Dorian is still the driest & hardest guy
you originally posted pics of Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. So I asked you to post shots of Dorian's triceps in other poses like I did with Ronnie. Then I simplified my request by only asking you to show me a pic where Dorian's triceps are striated in the side triceps. You couldn't answer any of my challenges, which means you concede that Dorian's overall triceps were inferior to Ronnie's. Surely you must have some pics to prove me wrong since you boast about contributing the most pics of anyone here. ;)
you made the claim that quote was useless because it was from 1999 and Ronnie's back improved by 2001/2003 , his back didn't improve by 2001 thats simple not true
Ronnie's back did improve from 98 to 01. You're a f*cking moron if you think he just sat on his ass and didn't work out back for 3 years. He may not have added a lot of size and definition, but his back did improve.
and how did it improve by 2003? he was wider but it came at the expense of detail & hardness so having a wider softer back is improvement?
Ronnie wasn't just wider in 03. He was a hell of a lot wider, thicker, and fuller.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman88.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman83.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/2003Mr.OlympiaPrejudging8ab.jpg)
bottom line what makes the latest team flex list more valid than the old one and many other who have said Yates back is better all post 2001 with the Ronnie quote coming from 2003 !! as well, its all a matter of opinion on a very subjective topic ! to claim this list is valid and anyone else who disagrees is wrong is laughable I've said many times its arguable thats the difference you people are claiming its law and its not
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
it doesn't matter what the logical interpretations are he NEVER committed to an answer , I said many times he eluded to it but NEVER committed to a definite answer on the two occasions he did commit to a definite answer and elaborated on it what was his answer? that Dorian would beat him, so all you're left with his playing with words.
answer the question. Either Ronnie is saying he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it?
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
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no kidding it's speculation on my part since I never hydrostatically weighed Dorian and Ronnie. However, it's no more speculation than Peter McGough's assessment. We're both using visuals to estimate their body fat and water levels.
for example?
I can prove you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt using medical literature. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.
Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed better definition from head to toe than Dorian. Therefore, it logically follows that he had better overall conditioning. Now give me your explanation for why Dorian had lower body fat and water levels. And don't give me a quote b/c I can easily provide quotes supporting my argument. ;)
my question makes perfect sense. Genetics influence separations and striations by determining where we are most (or least) likely to store body fat. A person can have great genetics for displaying striated triceps, but the subcutaneous fat that would normally cover it up must be stored somewhere else. For example, my arms and chest are pretty defined even at a higher bf% but I tend to store the extra fat around my waist. One of my friends, however, has the opposite problem - he has visible abs at a higher bf% but his arms and chest lack definition.
Now let's look at my question again. If a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go?
no kidding it's speculation on my part since I never hydrostatically weighed Dorian and Ronnie. However, it's no more speculation than Peter McGough's assessment. We're both using visuals to estimate their body fat and water levels.
The big difference being he was at all the contests in question and you weren't ;) and couple this with the fact that Dorian looks leaps & bounds better in person than he does in pictures & video than this limits your ' opinion ' even more so ontop of not knowing exactly what makes one person have superior conditioning over the other and to add insult to injury Dorian Yates ( who is an IFBB judge mind you ) has said specifically to the topic of who was better conditioned said he had better conditioning than Ronnie !
So you're proven wrong by two very big names in the sport of bodybuilding to say they're wrong and you're right is the height of arrogance & stupidity especially considering you never even been to a professional bodybuilding contest .
I can prove you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt using medical literature. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.
Ronnie at the 01 ASC displayed better definition from head to toe than Dorian. Therefore, it logically follows that he had better overall conditioning. Now give me your explanation for why Dorian had lower body fat and water levels. And don't give me a quote b/c I can easily provide quotes supporting my argument. ;)
no shit conditioning and definition are directly correlated , who arguing its not? separations are partly genetic as well as striations and its been explained to you that striations aren't always an accurate gauge for determining great conditioning because one can be striated and still be holding water and why some bodybuilder have more striations in places others don't the same with vascularity , Munzer was the only guy I've ever seen with striated rectus femoris and its NOT because others have never been as dry or as hard its because he was dry and because of his genetics
I've said many times Ronnie may have matched Yates for that extremely dry & dense looks only at his lightest Dorian could maintain that same conditioning at much higher bodyweights ! but to claim Ronnie is better conditioned despite never seeing him in person or Dorian for that matter is just so limited ! and then to say the people who have seen them both as their best are wrong is just stupid and arrogant
I've posted many quotes from pros , judges and writers all saying two things , pictures & video are USELESS compared to actually being at an event and Dorian ontop of that looks leaps & bounds better in person than he does in pictures and video , your opinion no matter how well thought you believe to be is severely limited to begin with and now couple that with your blatant bias there is no way for you to make declarations on who is better conditioned and then have the balls to claim the people who were there are wrong and the people who do know like Dorian Yates who is an IFBB judge is wrong it just boggles the mind
my question makes perfect sense. Genetics influence separations and striations by determining where we are most (or least) likely to store body fat. A person can have great genetics for displaying striated triceps, but the subcutaneous fat that would normally cover it up must be stored somewhere else. For example, my arms and chest are pretty defined even at a higher bf% but I tend to store the extra fat around my waist. One of my friends, however, has the opposite problem - he has visible abs at a higher bf% but his arms and chest lack definition.
Now let's look at my question again. If a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go?
I agree that genetics influence separations & striations however not everyone not matter how dry or hard they become are capable of getting striations in the same place , example Munzer with the striated rectus femoris , no matter how dry & hard Ronnie ever was he never had striations in his rectus femoris does this mean that muscle just wasn't dry enough or hard enough? NO it means genetically he's not predisposed for striations in this area for what ever reason its the same with veins some are more vascular like Jim Quinn and other guys who were just as conditioned aren't
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and couple this with the fact that Dorian looks leaps & bounds better in person than he does in pictures & video than this limits your ' opinion '
um... so does Ronnie fucking Coleman..
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what is your point?
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The quality of this screencap is mindboggling ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=203375.0;attach=237771;image)
yesl, because with a better quality screencap we could see the andreas munzer-like striations and ripped shreaded mass that dorian displays just like Ronnie does.. yeah, sure.. :-\
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the list of excuses never stops growing...
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The big difference being he was at all the contests in question and you weren't and couple this with the fact that Dorian looks leaps & bounds better in person than he does in pictures & video than this limits your ' opinion ' even more so ontop of not knowing exactly what makes one person have superior conditioning over the other
pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive live than in pics. This negates whenever people say "you have to see Dorian in person to understand."
and to add insult to injury Dorian Yates ( who is an IFBB judge mind you ) has said specifically to the topic of who was better conditioned said he had better conditioning than Ronnie!
Dorian never stated which versions he was comparing. For all we know, he could have been comparing his 95 self to Ronnie in 04.
no shit conditioning and definition are directly correlated , who arguing its not? separations are partly genetic as well as striations and its been explained to you that striations aren't always an accurate gauge for determining great conditioning because one can be striated and still be holding water and why some bodybuilder have more striations in places others don't the same with vascularity , Munzer was the only guy I've ever seen with striated rectus femoris and its NOT because others have never been as dry or as hard its because he was dry and because of his genetics
maybe you missed this part. ;)
"There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water."
I agree that genetics influence separations & striations however not everyone not matter how dry or hard they become are capable of getting striations in the same place , example Munzer with the striated rectus femoris , no matter how dry & hard Ronnie ever was he never had striations in his rectus femoris does this mean that muscle just wasn't dry enough or hard enough? NO it means genetically he's not predisposed for striations in this area for what ever reason its the same with veins some are more vascular like Jim Quinn and other guys who were just as conditioned aren't
so answer the question: if a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go? Does it just magically disappear or does it get stored somewhere else?
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you originally posted pics of Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. So I asked you to post shots of Dorian's triceps in other poses like I did with Ronnie. Then I simplified my request by only asking you to show me a pic where Dorian's triceps are striated in the side triceps. You couldn't answer any of my challenges, which means you concede that Dorian's overall triceps were inferior to Ronnie's. Surely you must have some pics to prove me wrong since you boast about contributing the most pics of anyone here. ;)
Ronnie's back did improve from 98 to 01. You're a f*cking moron if you think he just sat on his ass and didn't work out back for 3 years. He may not have added a lot of size and definition, but his back did improve.
Ronnie wasn't just wider in 03. He was a hell of a lot wider, thicker, and fuller.
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
answer the question. Either Ronnie is saying he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it?
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win?"
you originally posted pics of Dorian hitting the same pose 3x. So I asked you to post shots of Dorian's triceps in other poses like I did with Ronnie. Then I simplified my request by only asking you to show me a pic where Dorian's triceps are striated in the side triceps. You couldn't answer any of my challenges, which means you concede that Dorian's overall triceps were inferior to Ronnie's. Surely you must have some pics to prove me wrong since you boast about contributing the most pics of anyone here. ;)
You posted a comment about Ronnie's triceps are better because they're striated and I posted 3 pictures clearly showing Yates has striated triceps , then you said well he doesn't have them in the side triceps pose and I laughed at you for being retarded like it means anything ( because one can have striations and still be holding water ) like his arms are really conditioned in one pose but when it ' counts ' the most ( side triceps ) they're not LMFAO his arms are still dry & hard despite not have visible striations in the side triceps shot
and again my points still stand Dorian did have better triceps than Ronnie & forearms , I love your win by default position , ' either show me a shot of Yates triceps striated in side triceps pose or concede his triceps are inferior ' lmfao you're just to simple kid ! show me one single pic of Ronnie with striated traps , lats & spinal erectors like Dorian or you run the risk of conceding his back is inferior LMFAO I mean its just retarded
Ronnie's back did improve from 98 to 01. You're a f*cking moron if you think he just sat on his ass and didn't work out back for 3 years. He may not have added a lot of size and definition, but his back did improve.
I love how you just say it improved but don't offer up any proof what so ever , just that he worked out really hard LMFAO
1998 Ronnie was dry & hard at 247 pounds his back looked outstanding 1999 his back is fuller & wider ( because he's heavier duh ) 2000 his back is even wider and fuller than ever before , its also a lot softer and not as detailed
2001 Ronnie completely dries out again and low and behold he's down to 244 pounds , you think his back is wider than 1998? NO thicker than 1998? NO harder than 1998? NO shows better separation between the muscles? NO so specific to his back improved in 2001 over 1998 you're dead wrong period
Ronnie wasn't just wider in 03. He was a hell of a lot wider, thicker, and fuller.
Ronnie's back improved at the 01 ASC (better definition) and 03 Mr. Olympia (better size). The quote you posted was from 99. So it's null and void. The new Flex list takes into account Ronnie's latter years.
Thicker & fuller in 2003 mean softer & less detailed , he was wider ( duh 287 pounds ) the same contest they hail his 2001 ASC showing as better for a reason so is 2003 really an improvement? what aspect other than being fuller and wider at the expense of hardness & detail is an improvement ? its not
2003 is also the year Ronnie said Yates had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen you think the Flex list makes this null & void SORRY not quite or the Samir quote or the Rhul quote of others? sorry I don't think so.
thanks for playing , we have some lovely parting gifts for you .
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You posted a comment about Ronnie's triceps are better because they're striated and I posted 3 pictures clearly showing Yates has striated triceps , then you said well he doesn't have them in the side triceps pose and I laughed at you for being retarded like it means anything ( because one can have striations and still be holding water ) like his arms are really conditioned in one pose but when it ' counts ' the most ( side triceps ) they're not LMFAO his arms are still dry & hard despite not have visible striations in the side triceps shot
I said Ronnie's overall triceps are better b/c they are bigger and more defined. Get it right. And the 3 pics you posted were all the same pose. I posted 3 different poses where Ronnie's triceps are striated, and 5 more where they look good in mandatory poses besides in the side triceps. If Dorian's triceps were better, then they should look good in more than 1 mandatory pose.
and again my points still stand Dorian did have better triceps than Ronnie & forearms , I love your win by default position , ' either show me a shot of Yates triceps striated in side triceps pose or concede his triceps are inferior ' lmfao you're just to simple kid ! show me one single pic of Ronnie with striated traps , lats & spinal erectors like Dorian or you run the risk of conceding his back is inferior LMFAO I mean its just retarded
striated traps
couldn't find one.
striated lats and spinal erectors
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColemansBack1996.jpg)
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pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive live than in pics. This negates whenever people say "you have to see Dorian in person to understand."
Dorian never stated which versions he was comparing. For all we know, he could have been comparing his 95 self to Ronnie in 04.
maybe you missed this part. ;)
"There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water."
so answer the question: if a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go? Does it just magically disappear or does it get stored somewhere else?
pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive live than in pics. This negates whenever people say "you have to see Dorian in person to understand."
ics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
now from a size prospective it would apply to all bodybuilders but from the aspect of details and conditioning it wouldn't and why? many factors but again I've posted countless quotes from writers , competitors and judges going out of their way to explain this , yet I don't see any quotes stating the same for Ronnie ever wonder why? I'll elaborate on why I think its this way ......skin tone Black bodybuiders don't have the same problem as white bodybuilders especially ones like Dorian with fair skin the contest lighting contrasts better off of dark skin especially better in pictures & video , while the same lighting can wash out the details on a fairer skin person , again to claim this applies to everyone is not accurate
Dorian never stated which versions he was comparing. For all we know, he could have been comparing his 95 self to Ronnie in 04.
The question was posed Ronnie at his best vs Dorian at his , so it doesn't matter and converge that with the McGough statement that Ronnie was NEVER as hard or dry as Yates it doesn't matter which year , lets say Ronnie did match Yates at the least for conditioning he would only do so at his absolute lightest he'd still be down thickness , bulk and proportion , and posing etc , etc so its moot
maybe you missed this part. ;)
"There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water."
No i read it and again the medical reason is genetic predisposition thats why you just don't believe and again striations can be seen under a film of water so much for that
so answer the question: if a person has great genetics for displaying a highly defined body part, then where does the subcutaneous fat and water that normally covers it up go? Does it just magically disappear or does it get stored somewhere else?
the sub-q fat & water is lost during the process of become dense and dry lmfao so Dorian's biceps could be just as split & defined as Ronnie's if he just dried out a little more? LMFAO
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I said Ronnie's overall triceps are better b/c they are bigger and more defined. Get it right. And the 3 pics you posted were all the same pose. I posted 3 different poses where Ronnie's triceps are striated, and 5 more where they look good in mandatory poses besides in the side triceps. If Dorian's triceps were better, then they should look good in more than 1 mandatory pose.
striated traps
couldn't find one.
striated lats and spinal erectors
I said Ronnie's overall triceps are better b/c they are bigger and more defined. Get it right. And the 3 pics you posted were all the same pose. I posted 3 different poses where Ronnie's triceps are striated, and 5 more where they look good in mandatory poses besides in the side triceps. If Dorian's triceps were better, then they should look good in more than 1 mandatory pose.
as well as striated ! again it does NOT matter if Dorian's triceps aren't striated in any other pose his triceps as as hard and dry as they come they're just as conditioned as Ronnies , and you think they only look good in one pose I disagree and so did the judges so my point stands he had better triceps & forearms
Neither of those shots touch Yates in the lowerlats & spinal erectors I don't even need to post pictures we all know ;)
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this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote
I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.
now from a size prospective it would apply to all bodybuilders but from the aspect of details and conditioning it wouldn't and why? many factors but again I've posted countless quotes from writers , competitors and judges going out of their way to explain this , yet I don't see any quotes stating the same for Ronnie ever wonder why? I'll elaborate on why I think its this way ......skin tone Black bodybuiders don't have the same problem as white bodybuilders especially ones like Dorian with fair skin the contest lighting contrasts better off of dark skin especially better in pictures & video , while the same lighting can wash out the details on a fairer skin person , again to claim this applies to everyone is not accurate
you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.
The question was posed Ronnie at his best vs Dorian at his , so it doesn't matter and converge that with the McGough statement that Ronnie was NEVER as hard or dry as Yates it doesn't matter which year , lets say Ronnie did match Yates at the least for conditioning he would only do so at his absolute lightest he'd still be down thickness , bulk and proportion , and posing etc , etc so its moot
I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?
No i read it and again the medical reason is genetic predisposition thats why you just don't believe
bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae." ::)
the sub-q fat & water is lost during the process of become dense and dry lmfao so Dorian's biceps could be just as split & defined as Ronnie's if he just dried out a little more? LMFAO
not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.
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I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.
you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.
I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?
bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae." ::)
not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.
I'm not in disagreement with eyewitnesses, you f*cking idiot. Show me where I said bodybuilders look the same in person as they do in pics. I'll wait.
You are in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie , learn to read jackass
you either have separations and striations, or you don't. Pics and video may blur some details, but they don't hide or add something that is or isn't there.
again see the McGough ( among many others )
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
again you're wrong and watching the Arnold Classic Larry Pepe just happened to mention that pictures & video don't do justice all the ' fine details ' are lost
I've posted quotes saying 01 ASC Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian's conditioning. So what's your point?
another Neo outright LIE you most certainly did NOT post quotes saying Ronnie specifically matched DORIAN YATES nevermind exceeded it , you posted a quote commenting on Ronnie's conditioning NOT Ronnie's conditioned compared to Dorian , stop making shit up your frustration level is showing
bullshit, that's like me saying "Dorian was genetically predisposed to have striated traps, lats, and erector spinae." ::)
he is and hence why he has them ( traps ) and NO ONE else does you can cry foul all you want it doesn't change the fact , you're claiming Ronnie exceeded Yates' conditioning yet his traps were never striated , his spinal erectors and lower lats never looked like Dorians , I wonder why ;)
not quite. Theorectically, Dorian would have to also lose fat and water from his delts, pecs, and quads before his arms could become as defined as Ronnie's (i.e. no such thing as 'spot reduction'). However, the human body cannot drop below a certain amount without risking death. So he would ultimately still carry some fat and water somewhere. The same applies to Ronnie. His midsection and back never achieved the same definition as Dorian's b/c he genetically stored more fat and water there.
again I disagree he never achived Yates' like striations because he's not genetically predisposed for them , muscle shape , length , and separation along with striations are all genetically limited . sure you have to be well conditioned to see the the details but in the end no amount of dieting is going to get striations to appear , again Dorian's conditioning was hailed as the gold standard for the 1990s and even to this day guys are not getting harder and drier
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I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually. I salute the posters, Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity, for having put up with this for so long on that other giant thread. I don't have the patience for it, frankly.
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I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually.
Fantastic post and right on the money ! he loves to play with words. the funny part is solely based on pictures & video , despite never once seeing ANY professionals live & in person he's going to tell the people who were actually there they're wrong , you can't argue with a guy like this he's beyond the point of being taken seriously.
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the funny part is solely based on pictures & video
the irony of your statement is amazing, considering YOUR argument is solely based on quotes and opinions that are CONTRADICTED by people who have seen all these guys (eg. this list putting ronnie first, the best back list doing the same, McGough not only stating that 2001 AC ronnie is the best he has ever seen - which includes DORIAN ::), but also that 99 ronnie 'advanced the sport' the night he won the olympia) and CONTRADICTED by VIRTUALLY ALL AVAILABLE VISUAL EVIDENCE..
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you pick and chose which quotes to believe, ignoring the fact that there are quotes on both sides of the argument.
and then, you criticize someone for looking to REAL VISUAL EVIDENCE for support - since the quotes don't do anything because there are contradictory ones all over the place.
if you had a brain, you would realize that looking to visuals when the opinions are everywhere is the right thing to do - because visuals are much more reliable than opinions that have contradictory assertions from others who were also 'there'..
and you don't seem to see a problem with this.. ::)
you aren't smart enough to see it.. :-\
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You are in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie , learn to read jackass
I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.
"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."
NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie. ;)
another Neo outright LIE you most certainly did NOT post quotes saying Ronnie specifically matched DORIAN YATES nevermind exceeded it , you posted a quote commenting on Ronnie's conditioning NOT Ronnie's conditioned compared to Dorian , stop making shit up your frustration level is showing
I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.
he is and hence why he has them ( traps ) and NO ONE else does you can cry foul all you want it doesn't change the fact , you're claiming Ronnie exceeded Yates' conditioning yet his traps were never striated , his spinal erectors and lower lats never looked like Dorians , I wonder why
Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.
again I disagree he never achived Yates' like striations because he's not genetically predisposed for them , muscle shape , length , and separation along with striations are all genetically limited . sure you have to be well conditioned to see the the details but in the end no amount of dieting is going to get striations to appear , again Dorian's conditioning was hailed as the gold standard for the 1990s and even to this day guys are not getting harder and drier
answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?
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Semen,
Your comment about what bodyfat striations appear at is irrelevant. What is relevant is that striations appear on different bodybuilders at different bodyfat levels ;)
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I find the posts of this NeoSeminole character hilarious. He lies ad nauseum. Lies after lies after lies after lies. The best that he can do is manipulate semantics to try to prove his retarded arguments, and he's not even good at it - he wouldn't last a single day as a lawyer -, trying to unsuccessfully prove that words that are analogous to each other etiologically and conotatively have different meanings - like when he claimed that McGough's statement that Yates' hardness and dryness is the best ever doesen't mean his conditioning was the best ever. His posts reek of fanboyism so bad that it seems like he worships Ronnie as a god. It is quite sad, actually. I salute the posters, Suckmymuscle and NarcissisticDeity, for having put up with this for so long on that other giant thread. I don't have the patience for it, frankly.
ha ha ha, whatever dude. Unlike your heroes, ND and Suckmyasshole, I support my arguments with pics. If you claimed that Object A was blue and I posted a pic showing it's red, guess who's wrong? ;) Regarding semantics, I was parodying ND's tactic of dismissing quotes that don't explicitly say what they convey. For example, I posted a quote from Ronnie saying "this is the age of Ronnie Coleman. Who else would win?" ND claims that Ronnie never gave a definite answer and his comment could be interpreted to mean he would lose to Dorian. ::)
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Sir NeoSeminole
Your comment about what bodyfat striations appear at is irrelevant. What is relevant is that striations appear on different bodybuilders at different bodyfat levels
no kidding. Show me where I was ever in disagreement with your comment.
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I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.
"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."
NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie. ;)
I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.
Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.
answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?
I can read, you dipshit. Here's the comment I responded to.
"pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning this ends the debate it just does I mean its a retarded statement that contradicts what many respect eyewitnesses say I mean you're beyond the point of being taken seriously . again you're assuming this applies to all bodybuilders and it doesn't case in point this quote."
NOWHERE did you say anything about Dorian having better conditioning than Ronnie. ;)
Again the point still stands you are in disagreement with the eyewitnesses , like Dorian & McGough who both claims he is the better conditioned of the two
I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite. I haven't heard any quotes saying Dorian was hard as diamond. So it follows that both were equally conditioned unless you're telling me they were referring to different types of granite, which I highly doubt. I posted another quote praising Ronnie's conditioning from the 01 ASC as the best ever. It's not my fault you can't read.
Again stop trying to connect the dots , Ronnie was hard so therfore his conditioning was as good or exceeded Yates you're an out and out liar NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department
I posted two quotes SPECIFIC to the debate you never once did that and are reduced to lying , another out right lie by you is claiming you posted a quote praising Ronnie's 01 ASC as the best ever you posted a question and no where ever did that question say it was Ronnie was the greatest ever , and stop projecting your inability to read on me you're the moron who who posts questions are tries to pass them off as declarations
Ronnie had more overall separations and striations from head to toe. Regarding his back definition, I already told you that's where he stored his remaining body fat and water. If he lost what little he had left, then he would have dangerously low levels and risk death since our bodies need some fat and water to carry out natural processes.
Again you're stuck thinking striations & separations means a person is the best conditioned NOT true because one can be striated & separated and still be holding water , the best conditioned gut has thin skin * being totally dried out * and is the hardest * lack of intramuscular fat * thats the best conditioned guy thats Dorian Yates
answer this simple question: what conditions are necessary for striations to appear? How come you can see them at, say, 6% body fat but not 20% body fat?
duh because your muscles are covered in fat & water the lower these two become the striations ( and separations ) will appear the bottom line is no matter how dry & hard one becomes he's not going to get striations in the muscle if he's not genetically predisposed for them , again Ronnie's rectus femoris never showed cross-striations like Andreas Munzer despite the muscle being stripped of fat & water clearly showing great separation and development , its not because he still has some more fat & water to lose its because of genetics , hence why Munzer had more than anyone in this history of bodybuilding
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ha ha ha, whatever dude. Unlike your heroes, ND and Suckmyasshole, I support my arguments with pics. If you claimed that Object A was blue and I posted a pic showing it's red, guess who's wrong? ;) Regarding semantics, I was parodying ND's tactic of dismissing quotes that don't explicitly say what they convey. For example, I posted a quote from Ronnie saying "this is the age of Ronnie Coleman. Who else would win?" ND claims that Ronnie never gave a definite answer and his comment could be interpreted to mean he would lose to Dorian. ::)
lmfao I support my argument with pics that contradict firsthand eyewitness accounts ::) pics which pros , writers and judges all say are not accurate and that wouldn't ever replace actually being there you've done zero as usual
and you weren't ' parodying ' me with semantics its your M.O. you love to TRY and play with words to attempt to fit them to your argument classic example "
I've posted several quotes from people who said Ronnie was hard as granite " so therefore he's just as conditioned than Dorian ::) you have no argument the moment you claimed you were right and McGough & Yates were wrong , again you can't be taken seriously and I'm glad someone who doesn't have an vested intrest in these debates can see right through your bull shit and laughable tactics .
run along and play now little boy you are your bullshit bore me. ;)
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NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department
why do you need a "quote" to show this when there is mountains of visual evidence confirming this already? ::)
do you need a "quote" to believe that Ronnie Coleman was a black man too?
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jesus you are an idiot. :-\
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why do you need a "quote" to show this when there is mountains of visual evidence confirming this already? ::)
do you need a "quote" to believe that Ronnie Coleman was a black man too?
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jesus you are an idiot. :-\
You're the fucking idiot who posted Ronnie is grainer than Dorian because he's more vascular LMFAO I'm still laughing at that one you dolt ! what the hell do you know? your visual evidence means nothing compared to the live & in person visual evidence these quotes are based on , plain & simple you know nothing and your opinion is ignorant as well as flat out wrong.
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Again the point still stands you are in disagreement with the eyewitnesses , like Dorian & McGough who both claims he is the better conditioned of the two
yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.
Again stop trying to connect the dots , Ronnie was hard so therfore his conditioning was as good or exceeded Yates you're an out and out liar NO WHERE did you ever post a quote saying Ronnie Coleman matched or surpassed Dorian Yates in the conditioning department
so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie? ::)
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
Again you're stuck thinking striations & separations means a person is the best conditioned NOT true because one can be striated & separated and still be holding water , the best conditioned gut has thin skin * being totally dried out * and is the hardest * lack of intramuscular fat * thats the best conditioned guy thats Dorian Yates
I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No. ;)
duh because your muscles are covered in fat & water the lower these two become the striations ( and separations ) will appear the bottom line is no matter how dry & hard one becomes he's not going to get striations in the muscle if he's not genetically predisposed for them , again Ronnie's rectus femoris never showed cross-striations like Andreas Munzer despite the muscle being stripped of fat & water clearly showing great separation and development , its not because he still has some more fat & water to lose its because of genetics , hence why Munzer had more than anyone in this history of bodybuilding
Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.
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yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.
so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie? ::)
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No. ;)
Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.
yes, change subjects when you get made to look like a fool. That's what you seem to be good at. You called out my reading skills when it was you who didn't know what the f*ck he was talking about.
funny you should mention poor reading skills you're the idiot who thinks a posed question is a declaration ::) and you're still in disagreement with eyewitnesses that Dorian was better conditioned
so you're telling me they are referring to different types of granite? Which kind is Dorian and which is Ronnie? ::)
again idiot show me ANY of your quotes that say Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian Yates in the conditioning department you made up an outright LIE in saying so and these quotes don't mean anything
Peter McGough – unknown[/b]
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness
No where does it say Mr Coleman is harder & drier than Dorian Yates and this is coming from the same guy who spoke made that quote
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
see how its done kid? thats definitive and specific to the argument at hand not some dumb quote mentioning how he looked in relation to his competition
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005[/b]
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
I love how you actually had the balls to post this quote as proof Ronnie is the best conditioned guy ever LMFAO you're the fucking idiot with reading comprehension skills ;)
Sean Toh[/b] – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone
again notice how it says its hailed by many to be HIS best showing , again it doesn't mention ANYTHING about his conditioning being better than Dorian Yates
I've seen old guys with thin, leathery skin that looks harder than mine. Does that make them more conditioned than me? No. ;)
Oh boy ::)
Munzer also had the best conditioning of all-time. It's no coincidence that he was the most defined.
didn't you just try and pass the Coleman quote off as proof he was the best conditioned of all time and now its Munzer ? lol make up your mind and again how could Ronnie be the best conditioned of all time when he lacked striations like Munzer? ;)
striations are genetic and one can have them despite holding water get this through your head.
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funny you should mention poor reading skills you're the idiot who thinks a posed question is a declaration
where did I say a question is the same as a declaration? I said their meaning can be the same depending on the context.
again idiot show me ANY of your quotes that say Ronnie matched or exceeded Dorian Yates in the conditioning department you made up an outright LIE in saying so and these quotes don't mean anything
I'm still waiting to hear which kind of granite Dorian is and which kind Ronnie is seeing as how you believe the quotes are referring to different types.
Oh boy
I thought so. ;)
didn't you just try and pass the Coleman quote off as proof he was the best conditioned of all time and now its Munzer ? lol make up your mind and again how could Ronnie be the best conditioned of all time when he lacked striations like Munzer?
Munzer paid for attaining his level of conditioning. Ronnie didn't.
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You're the fucking idiot who posted Ronnie is grainer than Dorian because he's more vascular LMFAO I'm still laughing at that one you dolt ! what the hell do you know? your visual evidence means nothing compared to the live & in person visual evidence these quotes are based on , plain & simple you know nothing and your opinion is ignorant as well as flat out wrong.
just keep telling yourself that all the visuals in the sport mean nothing.
we aren't talking about one or two pics where ronnie looks better - we are talking about, well, 1600+ pages worth plus videos galore..
why do you think you avoid visuals like the plauge? ::)
but you just keep being naive, NaiveDeity.
lol
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No where does it say Mr Coleman is harder & drier than Dorian Yates
it doesn't have to. we all can see that:
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why don't you believe anything unless it is written down from someone else.. how sad to live life like that.
I feel truly sorry for you, NaiveDeity.
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just keep telling yourself that all the visuals in the sport mean nothing.
we aren't talking about one or two pics where ronnie looks better - we are talking about, well, 1600+ pages worth plus videos galore..
why do you think you avoid visuals like the plauge? ::)
but you just keep being naive, NaiveDeity.
lol
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please show me where I once said visuals don't matter , please do see when you're stuck on stupid and exposed as the dumbest guy on here you have to make up outright LIES because you have nothing else
visuals most certainly count when you're LIVE & IN PERSON ;) not sitting at home on your PC looking at pictures and determining Ronnie is more grainy than Dorian because he has more veins LMFAO
Dorian KILLS Ronnie in terms of muscle hardness and dryness I proved this point with firsthand eyewitness accounts of VISUAL EVIDENCE and I posted pictures and video as well , you're like Neo and idiot who thinks they know what they're talking about and funny all your points contradict the people who were there
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
This is based on VISUAL EVIDENCE not pictures McGough was there through the whole of Yates career and Ronnie's what do you have ? NOTHING as usual
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no kidding. Show me where I was ever in disagreement with your comment.
Point being that Ronnie could be at a higher bodyfat % than Dorian yet still show more overall striations compared to Yates ;)
Also, I am ready to challenge you in the Mr. Getbig. Are you competing?
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it doesn't have to. we all can see that:
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why don't you believe anything unless it is written down from someone else.. how sad to live life like that.
I feel truly sorry for you, NaiveDeity.
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the meltdown continues , a smart man would say " pictures aren't accurate to really ascertain one's level of conditioning for a host of reasons , so seeing I wasn't there I'm going to have to take in on authority of someone who was , someone who is unbiased , honest and experienced " but then again you're not a smart man you're the idiot who thinks after looking at the ' visual evidence ' that Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler lol your interpretation of that contest alone shows you don't know the first thing about conditioning , or how contest are judged you see what you want.
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Point being that Ronnie could be at a higher bodyfat % than Dorian yet still show more overall striations compared to Yates
I disagree. Ronnie's midsection and back smoothed out considerably when he was carrying more fat and water.
Also, I am ready to challenge you in the Mr. Getbig. Are you competing?
good luck. ;)
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I am still laughing at how you think that Peter McGough, a well known good friend (and fellow countryman) of yates can be 'unbiased'
especially given that he claims that the 269 pound dorian that we all can see in the video was harder than ronnie has ever been (sic) :
LOL
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tell us ND: do YOU agree with this assessment from peter:
LOL
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LOL I suppose ND you are going to say that dorian was harder given the above? LOL
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keep being Naive.
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I am still laughing at how you think that Peter McGough, a well known good friend (and fellow countryman) of yates can be 'unbiased'
especially given that he claims that the 269 pound dorian that we all can see in the video was harder than ronnie has ever been (sic) :
LOL
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tell us ND: do YOU agree with this assessment from peter:
LOL
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Hulkster he is unbiased especially when he claimed the best physique he seen ( amended ;) ) was in fact Ronnie Coleman you wren't questioning his bias when it was pro Ronnie but when its pro-Yates you cry like a little bitch just another example of your hypocrisy
absolutely Dorian's hardness at that weight is unmatched striations are genetic and can be seen under a film of water so thats not the best gauge of dense conditioning and look at the ' comparison ' you set up LMFAO and then you actually have the balls to type that pictures are accurate what a tool
the Dorian picture is a screengrab from YouTube of a very shitty quality video to begin with he's untaned , he has no posing oil or contest lighting
the Ronnie picture is a much higher quality screengrab of Ronnie in contest form under contest lighting with posing oil and who knows if your buddy tampered with this one ( again you people aren't above it ) and you actually have the balls to type pictures are accurate? get the hell out of here you troll
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LOL I suppose ND you are going to say that dorian was harder given the above? LOL
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keep being Naive.
again what do you know? you based your opinion on VISUAL EVIDENCE that you claim is accurate that Dorian Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia , it shows you don't know what you're talking about as usual . proof you're hands down the most ignorant person when it comes to competitive bodybuilding.
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Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it.
Ronnie 1999
eview of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98.
On Yates V Ronnie
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian
owned ;)
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I love it, now Hulkster is claiming McGough is biased ::) This after relying on McGough's 01ASC quote for about a year before his most recent comments about Yates being the most conditioned BB ever ;)
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I disagree. Ronnie's midsection and back smoothed out considerably when he was carrying more fat and water.
good luck. ;)
show some f*cking humility ::)
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Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it.
Ronnie 1999
eview of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98.
On Yates V Ronnie
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian
owned ;)
Musclemag's 99 contest report clearly states Ronnie in 99 was sharper than last year. see the truce thread.
this quote is JUST AS VALID as McGough's quote - and it is validated by visual evidence, unlike McGough's quote.
you are fucked now.
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Musclemag's 99 contest report clearly states Ronnie in 99 was sharper than last year. see the truce thread.
this quote is JUST AS VALID as McGough's quote - and it is validated by visual evidence, unlike McGough's quote.
you are fucked now.
NO its NOT and he can he just as sharp jackass ( assuming its true ) and NOT as hard learn what you're talking about before you comment
Ronnie Coleman what was your best Olympia? I would have to say my first because my conditioning was SPOT-ON
you think that trumps Ronnie's opinion? or McGoughs? learn what density & dryness are before you comment lol just as sharp has nothing to do with just as dense you always think you got something and you never do.
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ND will reach 30,000 posts by being a biased asshole.
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ND will reach 30,000 posts by being a biased asshole.
And you'll reach 30K just being an asshole ;)
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NO its NOT and he can he just as sharp jackass ( assuming its true ) and NOT as hard learn what you're talking about before you comment
Ronnie Coleman what was your best Olympia? I would have to say my first because my conditioning was SPOT-ON
you think that trumps Ronnie's opinion? or McGoughs? learn what density & dryness are before you comment lol just as sharp has nothing to do with just as dense you always think you got something and you never do.
LOL what the fuck?
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in bodybuilding, when we refer to sharpness, it refers to overall conditioning.
always has.
always will.
when we say dorian was 'sharper in 95 than in 94' we know that what that means is that he was in better condition in 95 than in 94.
jesus christ man learn how to interpret the english fucking language for once :-\
musclemag states quite clearly that Ronnie was in better condition (ie SHARPER) in 99 than in 98 (this is validated by videos, pics, other quotes (eg peter's prior quote)
so you can take that scanned quote you love to post about ronnie's conditioning in 99 by peter and shove it right up your ass lol
you are fucked and there is nothing you can do about it.
caught in your own quotes game.
I love it.
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LOL what the fuck?
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in bodybuilding, when we refer to sharpness, it refers to overall conditioning.
always has.
always will.
when we say dorian was 'sharper in 95 than in 94' we know that what that means is that he was in better condition in 95 than in 94.
jesus christ man learn how to interpret the english fucking language for once :-\
musclemag states quite clearly that Ronnie was in better condition (ie SHARPER) in 99 than in 98 (this is validated by videos, pics, other quotes (eg peter's prior quote)
so you can take that scanned quote you love to post about ronnie's conditioning in 99 by peter and shove it right up your ass lol
you are fucked and there is nothing you can do about it.
caught in your own quotes game.
I love it.
Yawn musclemag is right but somehow McGough and Coleman are wrong ::) sure , sure , yeah , yeah .
Hey was Ronnie more grainy in 1999 than 1998? LMFAO
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Yawn musclemag is right but somehow McGough and Coleman are wrong
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just like I said - ND will plaster his favorite quotes all over the place, but if any other ones are made by people who were ALSO THERE they are ignored because they happen to contradict his favorite ones..
the only quotes ND recognizes are the ones that fit his agenda - all others from all sources (from industry experts no less ::)) are disregarded and ridiculed..
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if I were you ND, I would be embarrassed for being so stupid on a public forum.
I really would.
if you think this is how you debate - sweeping all other opposing evidence under the carpet because you don't like it- well, you are a sad, bitter man.
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just like I said - ND will plaster his favorite quotes all over the place, but if any other ones are made by people who were ALSO THERE they are ignored because they happen to contradict his favorite ones..
the only quotes ND recognizes are the ones that fit his agenda - all others from all sources (from industry experts no less ::)) are disregarded and ridiculed..
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if I were you ND, I would be embarrassed for being so stupid on a public forum.
I really would.
if you think this is how you debate - sweeping all other opposing evidence under the carpet because you don't like it- well, you are a sad, bitter man.
your tired old rant is boring and repetitive serious you can't answer the question only chase me around looking for revenge enough already its old . everything you just accused me of you're guilty of again moron what makes musclemag right and McGough & Ronnie Coleman himself wrong
and talk about embarrassment you actually had the balls to type Ronnie is more grainy than Dorian because he's more vascular I mean seriously what do you know? you claimed Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler and you have the balls to talk about embarrassment? you after reviewing the ' visual evidence ' came to the conclusion that Ronnie 1999 had more detailed calves than Dorian lol you would know about embarrassment wouldn't you?
and you keep trying to bash my intelligence yet look at all the massively stupid comments you've claimed the difference between you and I is , I never claimed you were smart you did of me though ;)
owned
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Save it for the Truce thread sick of threads being hijacked. ???
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what makes musclemag right and McGough & Ronnie Coleman himself wrong
for the last fucking time, the visuals retard. we can SEE that Ronnie is wrong, amd musclemag is right. ::)
ONE OPINION IS SUPPORTED BY WHAT EVERYONE CAN SEE.
THE OTHER IS NOT. IT IS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED.
you are so fucking dumb, its like talking to a brick wall..
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Save it for the Truce thread sick of threads being hijacked. ???
yeah, ND feels the need to hijack any thread where Ronnie is praised, which is all of them..
he is a sad, bitter and pathetic stubborn man.
i feel sorry for him.
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for the last fucking time, the visuals retard. we can SEE that Ronnie is wrong, amd musclemag is right. ::)
ONE OPINION IS SUPPORTED BY WHAT EVERYONE CAN SEE.
THE OTHER IS NOT. IT IS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED.
you are so fucking dumb, its like talking to a brick wall..
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Your meltdown continues ! idiot you ever wonder why 1999 Mr Olympia is NOT I repeat NOT hailed as his best showing ever? have you ever pondered this? if according to you he was just as hard & dry as he was in 2001 and 13 pounds heavier how could this not be hailed as his all-time best? I'll tell you why because its NOT and for the simple fact he's NOT as hard & dry as he was in 2001 or even 1998 , McGough and Ronnie himself have stated this you can NOT change this fact get over it .
you're the fucking idiot who thinks Ronnie was A. grainer than Dorian and B. its partially because he has more veins LMMFAO don't ever comment on anyone's intelligence you moron
again answer the question how could a heavier , fuller and wider Ronnie Coleman in 1999 not be viewed as his best ever? it defies logic ;)
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yeah, ND feels the need to hijack any thread where Ronnie is praised, which is all of them..
he is a sad, bitter and pathetic stubborn man.
i feel sorry for him.
WRONG again I didn't high jack this thread thats another outright Hulkster lie , I was posting on topic Flex Wheeler and you and your girlfriends turned this into a Yates free for all not me nice try kid.
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idiot you ever wonder why 1999 Mr Olympia is NOT I repeat NOT hailed as his best showing ever?
no, because your best friend Peter McGough feels it is his BEST olympia appearance, BETTER than 98..BETTER than 2003..
lol
you are even more fucked.
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have you ever pondered this? if according to you he was just as hard & dry as he was in 2001 and 13 pounds heavier how could this not be hailed as his all-time best?
you are so stupid.
the quote you love to post compares his 99 form to his 98 form. you know the one where Peter claims he was not as hard or dry (although Musclemag states and all the visuals show something much different)
why you are all of a sudden comparing 99 to 2001 AC know one knows.. ::)
you are so owned you can't even keep your arguments straight.. ::)
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again answer the question how could a heavier , fuller and wider Ronnie Coleman in 1999 not be viewed as his best ever? it defies logic
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it is by people all over the place.
see Bizzy's post in the truce thread showing comments from youtube..
go to musclemecca
go to MD's board.
go ANYWHERE where pics/videos are shown of 1999 and this statement is made ALL THE TIME.
you are more fucked than before!
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I'll tell you why because its NOT and for the simple fact he's NOT as hard & dry as he was in 2001 or even 1998
LOL the great NaiveDeity has spoken - he states it is FACT even though eyewitnesses AND ALL the visuals show Ronnie was harder in 99 than in 98..
but none of that matters because internet fan ND has spoken..
LOL
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no, because your best friend Peter McGough feels it is his BEST olympia appearance, BETTER than 98..BETTER than 2003..
lol
you are even more fucked.
No he doesn't he says specifically on more than one occasion he's not as sharp in 1999 as 1998 stop playing with words like Neo and again why does EVERYONE consider 2001 his best showing than 1999? I'll tell you why because he's not as hard or dry in 199 thats why , according to McGough and according to Ronnie himself
and here are quotes all hailing 2001 as his prime conditioning and NOT 1999
Flex Magazine August 2003
Jim Schmatltz on Ronnie chances of winning six Olympias in a row
if he repeats his 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic form, he'll experience the joy of six.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian.
review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98.
RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
notice the 1998 & 2001
again NO mentioned of 1999 as being his best showing for a REASON ;)
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it is by people all over the place.
see Bizzy's post in the truce thread showing comments from youtube..
go to musclemecca
go to MD's board.
go ANYWHERE where pics/videos are shown of 1999 and this statement is made ALL THE TIME.
you are more fucked than before!
I'm talking respected people not a bunch of fab-boys like you , hell I wouldn't even bother posting all the Youtube , Ironage and other boards comments on how Yates destroys Ronnie they don't count , especially NOT compared to Ronnie Coleman himself who said hewas better conditioned in 1998 ;)
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LOL the great NaiveDeity has spoken - he states it is FACT even though eyewitnesses AND ALL the visuals show Ronnie was harder in 99 than in 98..
but none of that matters because internet fan ND has spoken..
LOL
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You guys are pathetic boy lol always playing follow the leader , hey they say if you can't beat em , join em .
Ronnie what was your best Olympia? Ronnie Coleman: I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on.
again as usual you have NOTHING ;)
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ND if Peter feels Ronnie was better in 98 than in 99, please explain why there is NO MENTION OF 1998 in his article about Mr. O wins that advanced the sport.
only 99 is mentioned. and it is LAST in the list.
to date as of 2005 when that article was written, Ronnie Coleman 1999 was the most advanced Mr. O. physique ever seen onstage.
and there is NOTHING you can do to change the written word of that article
you are fucked kid.
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Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
Where is 1999? LMFAO no where ;)
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ND if Peter feels Ronnie was better in 98 than in 99, please explain why there is NO MENTION OF 1998 in his article about Mr. O wins that advanced the sport.
only 99 is mentioned. and it is LAST in the list.
to date as of 2005 when that article was written, Ronnie Coleman 1999 was the most advanced Mr. O. physique ever seen onstage.
and there is NOTHING you can do to change the written word of that article
you are fucked kid.
Hulkster again playing with words will get you NO WHERE he states in that same article he couldn't choose a best Mr Olympia , so stop trying to act like he did thats another LIE you've attempted to propagate , and he lists the Olympia in chronological order jackass ( learn to read ) and he states specifically he was better in 2001 WHY? because he was harder & drier jackass
you have NOTHING ;)
Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
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LOL ND calls "reading" "playing with words"
LOL
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learn to read and understand buddy. :-\
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ND, you don't seem to understand something:
if you are talking about physiques that 'advanced the sport' and you make a list with times associated with them, the LAST person in the list is tops. No matter who it is. In this case it is Ronnie. (as always he tops most lists much to your anger LOL)
because by definition, it is not possible to advance the sport by going backwards.
it doesn't work that way.
please tell me you can understand this simple fact.
please. hopefully some brain cells in that McBrain of yours work?
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LOL ND calls "reading" "playing with words"
LOL
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learn to read and understand buddy. :-\
read this dummy ;)
owned
Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
so much for 1999 LMMFAO again you have nothing for me. ;)
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ND, you don't seem to understand something:
if you are talking about physiques that 'advanced the sport' and you make a list with times associated with them, the LAST person in the list is tops.
because by definition, it is not possible to advance the sport by going backwards.
it doesn't work that way.
please tell me you can understand this simple fact.
please. hopefully some brain cells in that McBrain of yours work?
Yeah thats why conditioning has improved from the 1990s LMFAO is that an advancement? guys are looking pregnant is that an advancement? jackass
Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
1993 what what? yeah I thought so , so much for your 1999 lol sucker
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FLEX: The recent IFBB advisory states, in part, that distended stomachs-will be penalized
advancement? lol
Flex Magazine October 2004 - Peter McGough’s commentary on the "voodoo" that has now reached ridiculous complexity when it comes to trying to "dry out" bodybuilders so they’re more ripped than any anatomy chart illustration on contest day. He quotes former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates, who notes that despite the chemistry experiments with insulin and diuretics, "I don’t see the guys getting any harder."
advancement? lmao
my ass ;) again it shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding
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Peter McGough Ironage Agust 23, 2007
What was the best Olympia you saw? It's close between 1988 and 1993. So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both.
Where is 1999? LMFAO no where ;)
He says the best "Olympia" he "saw" was either 1988 or 1993. No where does he say he "saw" the best "physique".
The best Olympia I "saw" on video and pics were either 1972 or 1999 because (I'll borrow a line from Peter, LOL) "So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both." The best "physique" I have "seen" was 1999 Coleman.
These are two different things (Olympia & Physique) incase you don't know. It's real simple. So that quote is just useless.
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ND seems to demonstrate quite clearly that he has absolutely no grasp or understanding of the english language.. :-\
this happens all the time.
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Yeah thats why conditioning has improved from the 1990s LMFAO is that an advancement? guys are looking pregnant is that an advancement? jackass
according to Peter's article (and thousands of fans), to date, this is as advanced of a phyisque as we have yet seen on a Mr. Olympia stage:
you don't like it?
tough shit.
take it up with him then.
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Yates still looking young and healthy and banging many fitness chicks at 08ASC 8)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/2542/0/d/img_56051204666969.jpg)
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In an issue of FLEX where Peter reviews the Mr. Olympia 1999, he states that Ronnie Colemans physique gave him the same reaction as seeing Sergio Oliva back in the 60's. I'm not sure what the girls name was next to him (I want to say Beth?), but she gasped as Ronnie disrobed. Peters reaction to that was "Thank you (insert name), you made me feel very old."
That same issue, he talked about Ronnie having the best Olympia body.
Sorry ND, I don't think you're right on this issue. :-\
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He says the best "Olympia" he "saw" was either 1988 or 1993. No where does he say he "saw" the best "physique".
The best Olympia I "saw" on video and pics were either 1972 or 1999 because (I'll borrow a line from Peter, LOL) "So many competitors in great shape in both and so many storylines in both." The best "physique" I have "seen" was 1999 Coleman.
These are two different things (Olympia & Physique) incase you don't know. It's real simple. So that quote is just useless.
Yeah the best physique he ever saw was onstage was Ronnie Coleman 2001 ASC NOT 1999 Mr Olympia and he said the best physique he saw off-stage was Dorian 7 weeks out from the 1993 Mr Olympia and what did he say about that physique compared to Ronnie 2001? ;)
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ND seems to demonstrate quite clearly that he has absolutely no grasp or understanding of the english language.. :-\
this happens all the time.
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Again who besides casual fans is claiming Ronnie 1999 Mr Olympia was better than 2001? NO ONE
Not McGough , Not Perine , Not Schmaltz , because he wasn't as hard or as dry as he was in 2001 thats a fact jack.
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In an issue of FLEX where Peter reviews the Mr. Olympia 1999, he states that Ronnie Colemans physique gave him the same reaction as seeing Sergio Oliva back in the 60's. I'm not sure what the girls name was next to him (I want to say Beth?), but she gasped as Ronnie disrobed. Peters reaction to that was "Thank you (insert name), you made me feel very old."
That same issue, he talked about Ronnie having the best Olympia body.
Sorry ND, I don't think you're right on this issue. :-\
Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
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according to Peter's article (and thousands of fans), to date, this is as advanced of a phyisque as we have yet seen on a Mr. Olympia stage:
you don't like it?
tough shit.
take it up with him then.
LMFAO advanced NO it wasn't he said he couldn't choose a best Mr Olympia so stop making shit up you're a blatant liar .
On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.
Instead of choosing a best-ever Mr. Olympia, maybe all one can do is reflect on 40 years of Olympia history and highlight those instances where the winner advanced the sport on that particular day. With that in mind, I would nominate the following.
My response was that it was impossible to choose.
NO WHERE does he say Ronnie Coleman advanced the sport more than Dorian Yates NO WHERE does it say his physique was better than Dorian Yates in fact he says its impossible to choose a best Mr Olympia
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
Ronnie 1999 advanced the sport my ass , Dorian Yates was so devastating he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round , first time in bodybuilding history did that happen in 1999? yeah I thought so ;)
the guy didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round that unheard of to echo the sentiments of Samir Bannout , Dorian was first , second and third !
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LMFAO advanced NO it wasn't he said he couldn't choose a best Mr Olympia so stop making shit up you're a blatant liar .
On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.
Instead of choosing a best-ever Mr. Olympia, maybe all one can do is reflect on 40 years of Olympia history and highlight those instances where the winner advanced the sport on that particular day. With that in mind, I would nominate the following.
My response was that it was impossible to choose.
NO WHERE does he say Ronnie Coleman advanced the sport more than Dorian Yates NO WHERE does it say his physique was better than Dorian Yates in fact he says its impossible to choose a best Mr Olympia
Peter McGough
Given his stunning superiority, the judges saw no need to include him in a muscularity comparison, so Wayne DeMilia called out Yates, Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray just for the audience.
Ronnie 1999 advanced the sport my ass , Dorian Yates was so devastating he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round , first time in bodybuilding history did that happen in 1999? yeah I thought so ;)
the guy didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round that unheard of to echo the sentiments of Samir Bannout , Dorian was first , second and third !
Great post! Hulkster OWNED hahahahah how many times is that in the past 2 years? 750? LOL
(http://menacingmorons.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/owned.jpg)
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Great post! Hulkster OWNED hahahahah how many times is that in the past 2 years? 750? LOL
(http://menacingmorons.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/owned.jpg)
You hear his latest? Ronnie was A) grainier than Dorian and B) grainer because he had more veins LMFAO it makes it real easy to own him.
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Dorian Yates was so devastating he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round , first time in bodybuilding history did that happen in 1999? yeah I thought so
true. and the sport should be glad that partial and biased judging like we saw in 93 was never allowed to happen again.
who could ever comprehend judges that are supposed to be unbiased not even including a competitor in a round?
lol
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thank god it didn't happen in 99.
It would have been a shame to have ronnie's win tainted like dorian's was.
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I only chime in here from time to time but I still stand my
ground that the 1999 Mr. Olympia showed the best bodybuilding
physique on or off stage. As more people are expossed to his great
combination of size, shape, condition and aesthetics of that year, the
more people realize how great he was in 1999.
The main thing that bothers me about this whole thread is how much
emphasis is put on what one man says; that man being Mr. McGough.
Although very respected and VERY knowledgable about bodybuilding,
he is also personal friends with Dorian and also just one man in a mass of other
bodybuilding experts.
I recently found the 1999 Mr. Olympia report from Musclemag International
and pulled some comments from videos on youtube.
My 2 cents to add to my opinion...
Natural Mr. Olympia - John Hansen
When Ronnie won his first Mr. Olympia contest in 1998, it was one of the most exciting victories in the sport's history. His biceps, back and chest are absolutely incredible and nearly everyone agrees that he owns the Rear Double Biceps pose in this sport. Many people in the sport have also talked about the fact that Ronnie Coleman may be the best Mr. Olympia ever!
Last year, Ronnie was about ten pounds heavier and he was just as ripped as when he won the contest the first time in 1998.
Musclemag International 1999 Mr. Olympia Review By Johnny Fitness
Ronnie was gargantuan, herculean, and every adjective in between.
He was ripped, sharper than last year, and filled with a champions confidence.
Youtube comments after watching a compressed video of Ronnie 1999.
The + signs indicate the number of people taking the time to agree with the comment.
These particular videos have only been posted for 2 months.
1. This year, you can clearly see why he is the best in history of bodybuilding and you can see why he deserved the win.
2. Best shape ever from RON +5
3.this was the best performance by the best bodybuilder ever... if he could have kept this form he could easily have beaten jay cutler the last 2 years. +5
4. 99olympia was Ronnie's best shape in his career. +5
5. that is absolutely aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaweso me!Had he maintained his shape and size no one would have defeated him!Never!No one will ever achieve such a physique!This is natural phenomenon! +6
6. boy...ronnie looked perfect during this time.. +6
7. Ronnie is just a freak. I've seen great bbs and their fantastic pose, but Ronnie just freaks all those guys out. +5
8. Holy fucking shit....holy cow. I never seen that kind of mass with such insanely deep cuts in my life. I thought he looked good in 2003....boy was I wrong. Wow....I'm almost speechless but yea...no one will ever look this good again. The combination of dense hard rock full ripped muscle on every inch of his body is just insane. +2
9. There won't ever be any bodybuilder better than Ronnie Coleman in 99 +9
10. The BEST Olympia performance to date!
11. RONNIES BEST +3
12. Coleman at is Best!! +2
13.Out of all the Olympias Ronnie won he was in his best condition. He still held the mass as well on top of it +2
Bodybuilding comments after being exposed to1999 pictures.
1. In my mind ,thats Ronnies best ever shape. 1999
2. i agree.. that was a great physique alright...
3. the 99 RC is the best physique to ever step onstage
4. 99= Ronnies best ever
5. Thank you! I thought i was the only one who liked the 99' Coleman over the 03' one.
6. I agree with you FLEX 99 he looked the best IMO.
7. That physique is untouchable
8. 99 better than 03, untoucable
9. Ronnie's best ever
10. theres not a soul on this planet that could beat his shape in 99
11. nothings gonna beat his physique from the 1999 O.
12. 99-the best ever ronnie
13. 99 Ronnie Coleman... thge greatest EVER!!! COLEMAN 1999>ANYBODY!!!
the post from the truce thread that ND is too scared and cowardly to comment on...
I thought his owning would be relevant here!
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true. and the sport should be glad that partial and biased judging like we saw in 93 was never allowed to happen again.
who could ever comprehend judges that are supposed to be unbiased not even including a competitor in a round?
lol
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thank god it didn't happen in 99.
It would have been a shame to have ronnie's win tainted like dorian's was.
excuses , excuses ! advanced the sport in 99 LMMFAO
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the post from the truce thread that ND is too scared and cowardly to comment on...
I thought his owning would be relevant here!
I did comment another lie you're propagating. again Ronnie Coleman himself said he was better conditioned in 1998 which backs up Mcgough's claim you didn't own shit and never have
I don't post on the truce thread because I fucking won ;) whats the sense? and how did I win ? right here your hero conceding defeat to Dorian Yates in 1999 LMMFAO the year you claim he advanced the sport and then again in 2007
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldn't see too much else stopping him.
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
your own hero ended the truce thread for me how fucking great is that? so please don't act like you scared me away because nothing could be further than the truth , I answered every single one of your ridiculous comments and posts I've addressed everything you ever typed , I won the truce thread and now like a lost puppy you follow me around looking for revenge , how sad .
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Ronnie at the 2001 ASC:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecoleman2001asc.html
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excuses , excuses ! advanced the sport in 99 LMMFAO
the fact that you are okay with what happened in 93 speaks volumes about your (lack of) knowledge about the way this sport works..
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not calling out a competitor and having them win the round anyway is NOT good judging. no matter what.
its too bad you are not smart enough to see that..
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Arnold has said that 1993 Arnold Classic Flex Wheeler, is the best physique he has ever seen.
Ronnie is great...love the guy....but this one goes out to Flex on that fateful day 15 years ago......he looked wonderful and what he brought to the stage has never been equalled for purity and class.
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Since this has gone off topic anyway I'm going to explain
why I think Ronnie was better at the 1999 Mr. Olympia than
the 2001 AC.
1st - I do think Ronnie was drier at the 2001 AC but I don't think
he was harder. I also don't think him being drier at the AC improved his
physique and I'll explain why. (I'll also explain some other reasons why
besides this first point.)
The object of coming in dry is to minimize subcutaneous water while
maximizing intracellular water. I think the visual evidence shows that
Ronnie's subcutaneous water levels were about the same for both contests.
(I've seen the AC DVD 3 times with 3 different sources of lighting;
Onstage-Pumproom-Photoshoots) and he doesn't look nearly as full
(intracellular water) as he does in 99. This effect would make the muscles fuller,
pushing against the skin, therefore producing more hardness.
He was 10-12 pounds heavier in 1999 and looked every bit as ripped as 2001.
Even though Ronnie was lighter I believe his waist and gut were bigger than 1999.
I think this is from going up to the 285-295 mark. (Something he probably had not done
before the 1999 Olympia.) Once he went this high in weight there was no returning
back to the smaller waist/gut he had in earlier years.
He was in fairly sharp shape at 285 in 2000 at a guest posing and I don't think he needed to
drop 40 pounds to be at his best ever.
I know these are not the same lighting or perfect scale but I think they will help make the point.
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1st 2 pics are Ron guest posing in 2000 in pretty good shape at 285.
3rd pic - I havn't seen in pictures or video anything from 2001 where Ronnie's
intercostals were this sharp.
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the fact that you are okay with what happened in 93 speaks volumes about your (lack of) knowledge about the way this sport works..
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not calling out a competitor and having them win the round anyway is NOT good judging. no matter what.
its too bad you are not smart enough to see that..
Again don't ever question my knowledge of competitive bodybuilding jackass you're the fucking idiot who claimed Flex won in 1993 and again Dorian wasn't needed in the muscularity rounds for a good reason it was redundant whats was the sense?
you're just bitter because Ronnie was NEVER good enough to win in such grand fashion ;)
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Since this has gone off topic anyway I'm going to explain
why I think Ronnie was better at the 1999 Mr. Olympia than
the 2001 AC.
1st - I do think Ronnie was drier at the 2001 AC but I don't think
he was harder. I also don't think him being drier at the AC improved his
physique and I'll explain why. (I'll also explain some other reasons why
besides this first point.)
The object of coming in dry is to minimize subcutaneous water while
maximizing intracellular water. I think the visual evidence shows that
Ronnie's subcutaneous water levels were about the same for both contests.
(I've seen the AC DVD 3 times with 3 different sources of lighting;
Onstage-Pumproom-Photoshoots) and he doesn't look nearly as full
(intracellular water) as he does in 99. This effect would make the muscles fuller,
pushing against the skin, therefore producing more hardness.
He was 10-12 pounds heavier in 1999 and looked every bit as ripped as 2001.
Even though Ronnie was lighter I believe his waist and gut were bigger than 1999.
I think this is from going up to the 285-295 mark. (Something he probably had not done
before the 1999 Olympia.) Once he went this high in weight there was no returning
back to the smaller waist/gut he had in earlier years.
He was in fairly sharp shape at 285 in 2000 at a guest posing and I don't think he needed to
drop 40 pounds to be at his best ever.
I know these are not the same lighting or perfect scale but I think they will help make the point.
Ronnie is harder in 2001 which is exactly why he's not as full because he's carrying less intramuscular fat again the general consensus is 2001 ( or 1998 ) is Ronnie's best overall showing specifically because his conditioning is at its very best , Ironically his two best showing's condition wise are also his lightest he weighed 247 pounds in 1998 and anywhere from 244-247 pounds in 2001 , the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioned suffered for it .
Ronnie Coleman himself has said his best Olympia was his first specifically because his conditioning was ' spot-on ' again if what you were saying is true 1999 would be hailed at as his all-time best by the people in the know and its not for a reason , while you make like it better it doesn't mean its better than 2001
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yes, because we can really see how much harder ronnie was in 2001 AC than he was in 1999 with the great comparisons Bizzy made..
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ND, do you even use your eyesight when posting on getbig?
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the point is that ronnie was virtually identical in terms of conditioning in comparing 99 to the 2001 AC but 10 pounds heavier (with less of a bulging gut when relaxed - check the videos).
for you to laugh off the statement that Ronnie was better in 99 than the 2001 AC given these facts is just plain stupid.
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the point is that ronnie was virtually identical in terms of conditioning in comparing 99 to the 2001 AC but 10 pounds heavier (with less of a bulging gut when relaxed - check the videos).
for you to laugh off the statement that Ronnie was better in 99 than the 2001 AC given these facts is just plain stupid.
Again NO ONE of any credibility in the sport says Ronnie 1999 was his best showing just fans who like what they like , his conditioning is NOT virtually identical thats simply not true because if it was there would be alsolutely NO reason why 99 would be his best showing and it not
don't type the word ' facts ' because you have none , not one single statement saying Ronnie was in better condition than 2001 or even at bare minimum at least equal because he's not , stop you're not allowed to use the word ' facts ' because you haven't provided any as usual .
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Stop turning everything into Coleman Vs Yates. It is repetitive to see the exact same posts and pictures over and over again..keep it in the truce thread.
If you want to argue about comparisons then do so using Coleman and Wheeler. That is what is relevant to the thread.
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Stop turning everything into Coleman Vs Yates. It is repetitive to see the exact same posts and pictures over and over again..keep it in the truce thread.
If you want to argue about comparisons then do so using Coleman and Wheeler. That is what is relevant to the thread.
we did. Flex lost badly.
and ND could not handle it..
:-\
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Again NO ONE of any credibility in the sport says Ronnie 1999 was his best showing just fans who like what they like , his conditioning is NOT virtually identical thats simply not true because if it was there would be alsolutely NO reason why 99 would be his best showing and it not
don't type the word ' facts ' because you have none , not one single statement saying Ronnie was in better condition than 2001 or even at bare minimum at least equal because he's not , stop you're not allowed to use the word ' facts ' because you haven't provided any as usual .
IF what you say is true, it should be quite clear that Ronnie was in better shape in 2001 than in 1999.
but look at the videos and pics:
his condition was virtually identical.
if you are too blind and stupid to see that, well, then there is no hope for you.
you CANNOT show using anything visual that ronnie was in noticably worse shape in 99 than in 2001.
until you can, shut the fuck up.
because your words mean nothing without visual support.
sorry.
look at the comparisons bizzy has done again.
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this is for ND:
compare and see for youself. virtually identical condition.
only with way less of a bulging gut in 99.
deal with it moron:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
don't dimiss it until you see for yourself.
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IF what you say is true, it should be quite clear that Ronnie was in better shape in 2001 than in 1999.
but look at the videos and pics:
his condition was virtually identical.
if you are too blind and stupid to see that, well, then there is no hope for you.
you CANNOT show using anything visual that ronnie was in noticably worse shape in 99 than in 2001.
until you can, shut the fuck up.
because your words mean nothing without visual support.
sorry.
look at the comparisons bizzy has done again.
meltdown continues
again if 1999 he was as hard & dry as you claim that would be his best overall showing and its NOT for a reason and that reason is? ;)
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Nastysissy diety owned yet again by hulkster and squadfather.
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this is for ND:
compare and see for youself. virtually identical condition.
only with way less of a bulging gut in 99.
deal with it moron:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
don't dimiss it until you see for yourself.
spare me the ' don't dismiss it until you see for yourself ' wrap I've seen all the 99/01 pics posted and the videos and not the photoshopped pics Bizzy ' adjusted ' I'm talking about from non-biased sources and they all conform what the real experts say , you know the ones who based their opinion on visual evidence , you know from actually being at all the said contests in question , oh wait you wouldn't know because you never been to ANY pro contest let alone the 1999 Mr Olympia or the 2001 Arnold Classic
virtually identical LMFAO ::)
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Nastysissy diety owned yet again by hulkster and squadfather.
The only owning was Nasser at the Arnold , no wait he wasn't at the Arnold ;)
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Nastysissy diety owned yet again by hulkster and squadfather.
as always
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notice: ND refuses to comment on what we all can see in the two videos...
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he always avoids reality..
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notice: ND refuses to comment on what we all can see in the two videos...
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he always avoids reality..
NO you avoid reality , you're commenting on contest you weren't even at lol telling the people who were there they are wrong , go away now your rants bore me and everyone else
you're the idiot who after watching the videos and looking at the pictures came to the conclusion Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia , as usual your ' opinion ' doesn't coincide with reality ;) so much for your interpretation of the ' visual evidence ' lol
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stop avoding reality and tell us what you see in the two videos.
can you not see they were in very close if not identical condition?
stop avoiding me and reality like you always do.
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as always
You can't produce one single quote from ANYONE of credibility that he was better conditioning in 1999 ( like you claim ) and I'm owned lol keep dreaming kid ;)
Flex Magazine August 2003
Jim Schmatltz on Ronnie chances of winning six Olympias in a row
if he repeats his 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic form, he'll experience the joy of six.
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98
Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001
RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .
Ronnie What was your best Olympia? Ronnie Coleman: I would say my first because my conditioning was spot-on !
;)
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stop avoding reality and tell us what you see in the two videos.
can you not see they were in very close if not identical condition?
stop avoiding me and reality like you always do.
Hulkster seriously stop pretending I'm avoiding you or your dumb opinions , every single thing you ever posted I responded to I don't fear you or your stupidity and I'll address this ( again ) I see Ronnie in 2001 totally dry and extremely hard his skin shrink wrapped around dense hard muscle , I see Ronnie in 1999 much fuller albeit ( you idiot pay attention ) softer i.e. NOT as dense as 1998/2001 I see what all the experts see that 2001 was clearly Ronnie's best specifically for this reason .
again as usual your opinion contradicts the experts , you know like Dorian lost in 1993 , you see what you want to see thats obvious especially when your conclusions contradict history and reality.
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meltdown continues
again if 1999 he was as hard & dry as you claim that would be his best overall showing and its NOT for a reason and that reason is? ;)
Hulkster pretty much owned here, the 2001 version is far superior in conditioning in comparison to 1999.
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Hulkster pretty much owned here, the 2001 version is far superior in conditioning in comparison to 1999.
Thank you ! someone who gets it.
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Hulkster pretty much owned here, the 2001 version is far superior in conditioning in comparison to 1999.
hi ND.
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Hulkster pretty much owned here, the 2001 version is far superior in conditioning in comparison to 1999.
prove it.
you can't using the videos.
thats for damn sure. ::)
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hi ND.
getting desperate again
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prove it.
you can't using the videos.
thats for damn sure. ::)
Using pics & videos you came to the conclusion Dorian lost to a much softer Flex Wheeler in 1993 , what do you know again?
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prove it.
you can't using the videos.
thats for damn sure. ::)
I'm reffering to the pictures that ND just put up, if you truly can't see which Coleman was superiour in conditioning you obviously do not know bodybuilding.
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I'm reffering to the pictures that ND just put up, if you truly can't see which Coleman was superiour in conditioning you obviously do not know bodybuilding.
yes, because ND's comparisons are not geared to fit his agenda..
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see his other 'comparisons' in this thread..
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the video camera does not lie.
and there is nothing ND can do about it.
thats why he won't comment on the vids. only his retarded 'comparisons'
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this is for you ND:
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99 olympia vs 2001 AC:
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again, you will avoid comment as usual..
posting your stupid quotes with no visual support at all..
LMAO
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again, ND this is for you (to ignore yet again. lol ::))
ND, if you truly believe all the quotes you post in all these threads as being the absolute truth no matter what, why do you not post the visuals to go along with them?
oh wait - they prove your quotes are bullshit.
thats right.
I forgot.. ::)
99 O. vs 2001 AC.
like many have said: just as ripped. only more full.
deal with NaiveDeity:
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Using pics & videos you came to the conclusion Dorian lost to a much softer Flex Wheeler in 1993 , what do you know again?
wrong. I used very limited pics that were all that was available at the time. Once we had far more visuals, I changed my opinion.
note that:
we now have VIDEOS from BOTH the AC AND THE OLYMPIA that show ronnie was just as ripped in 99 as he was in the 2001 AC.
huge fucking difference.
Now, in your limited intelligence I don't expect you to be able to comprehend the difference, but I post it for the other getbiggers to read and laugh at how you get owned all the time.
enjoy getbiggers 8)
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wrong. I used very limited pics that were all that was available at the time. Once we had far more visuals, I changed my opinion.
note that:
we now have VIDEOS from BOTH the AC AND THE OLYMPIA that show ronnie was just as ripped in 99 as he was in the 2001 AC.
huge fucking difference.
Now, in your limited intelligence I don't expect you to be able to comprehend the difference, but I post it for the other getbiggers to read and laugh at how you get owned all the time.
enjoy getbiggers 8)
my ass you used very limited pictures available at the time , there have been dozens and dozens of great pictures from 1993 as well as the sceencaps posted by others as well as links to the whole 1993 Mr Olympia so spare me this excuse you had all the information in the world yet you and your total ignorance chose Flex lol again this show how little you know about bodybuilding ( old news ) just like after reviewing all the pics & videos you came to the conclusion Ronnie was grainier than Dorian and its because he's more vascular lol
and see this once again shows you don't know what you're talking about because now you have to amend your statement that Ronnie was better conditioned in 1999 to at the least as good as 2001 which is nonsense NO one of credibility agrees with you NO ONE so keep trying to save face by typing the same bull shit over & over it doesn't change the fact that 2001 is considered by all those in the know ( not you ) to be his best showing ever for a specific reason ;)
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yes, because ND's comparisons are not geared to fit his agenda..
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see his other 'comparisons' in this thread..
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the video camera does not lie.
and there is nothing ND can do about it.
thats why he won't comment on the vids. only his retarded 'comparisons'
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the irony of you typing my comparisons are geared to fit my agenda ::) and then post photoshopped pics of Ronnie from 1999 to ho-hum pictures of Ronnie 2001 , you have Muscletime pics what your excuse for not using them? I know fear ;) fear that your stupid fucking opinion will be exposed for what it is , IGNORANT
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2001 kicks 1999's ass in conditioning
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LOL ND's only defense is to make up bullshit about how these shots from 99 are 'photoshopped"..
LOL
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great retort moron.
they are not photoshopped.
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LOL ND's only defense is to make up bullshit about how these shots from 99 are 'photoshopped"..
LOL
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great retort moron.
they are not photoshopped.
WRONG and you're a liar and exposed for being one , your boy who's screencaps you keep posting admitted to ' adjusting ' them lol
owned
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WRONG and you're a liar and exposed for being one , your boy who's screencaps you keep posting admitted to ' adjusting ' them lol
owned
LOL you are posting screenshots from ForedReps, comparing them to Bizzy's, and claiming the colour difference is from photoshopping?
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go home kid.
none of those shots are adjusted by Bizzy.
you tried the 'they are photoshopped! (sic)" bullshit in the other thread.
didn't work there.
doesn't work here.
try again.
notice:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
videos shows no adjustment - Ronnie just as ripped as in the screenshots.
and just as ripped as at the AC.
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2001 kicks 1999's ass in conditioning
yeah, sure it does..
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LOL you are posting screenshots from ForedReps, comparing them to Bizzy's, and claiming the colour difference is from photoshopping?
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go home kid.
none of those shots are adjusted by Bizzy.
you tried the 'they are photoshopped! (sic)" bullshit in the other thread.
didn't work there.
doesn't work here.
try again.
notice:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
videos shows no adjustment - Ronnie just as ripped as in the screenshots.
and just as ripped as at the AC.
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Moron did you miss the part where he said he photoshopped them? both are VHS screencaps of the 1999 Mr Olympia Bizzy ADMITTED to adjusting them and you keep posting them as some sort of proof lol what a jackass all of Bizzy's screencaps are the same hence photoshopped you moron stop using worked pictures that are supposed to prove something which isn't true to begin with
2001 kills 1999 old news you and the rest of camp-ignorant are the only ones who claim otherwise
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ND please tell us why you refuse to comment on what we all can see in the videos.
please tell us all LOL
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Moron did you miss the part where he said he photoshopped them? both are VHS screencaps of the 1999 Mr Olympia Bizzy ADMITTED to adjusting them and you keep posting them as some sort of proof lol what a jackass all of Bizzy's screencaps are the same hence photoshopped you moron stop using worked pictures that are supposed to prove something which isn't true to begin with
2001 kills 1999 old news you and the rest of camp-ignorant are the only ones who claim otherwise
wrong moron. the ones I keep posting are NOT the ones he was referring to.
pay attention next time. ::)
besides, can you not see the video showing exactly what the screencaps show?
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the video ND wishes would go away:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
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yeah, sure it does..
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You're damn right he does , you don't even know what better conditioning is , you're the fucking idiot who had the balls to claim Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian because he has more veins LMFAO and you think for one second you know what great conditioning is? you're the complete moron who actually had the balls to type a softer Flex beat a much harder & drier Yates in 1993 again what do you know about conditioning?
yeah I thought so ;)
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wrong moron. the ones I keep posting are NOT the ones he was referring to.
pay attention next time. ::)
besides, can you not see the video showing exactly what the screencaps show?
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LMFAO who posted the video? Bizzy lol who admitted to photoshopping the screencaps? bizzy , yeah I thought so
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ND please tell us why you refuse to comment on what we all can see in the videos.
please tell us all LOL
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Hulkster tell us why Ronnie said he was better conditioned in 1998 than 1999? ;)
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Hulkster tell us why Ronnie said he was better conditioned in 1998 than 1999? ;)
tell us why this matters..
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we all can see that Ronnie was more ripped in 99 than in 98. check the videos.
its pretty fucking obvious..
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the video ND wishes would go away:
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
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Why do I care about 1999? Ronnie said in 1999 he couldn't beat Yates LMFAO owned
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LMFAO who posted the video? Bizzy lol who admitted to photoshopping the screencaps? bizzy , yeah I thought so
lol so now you are claiming Bizzy doctored the whole video, even though its the SAME video as available elsewhere? including the VHS in my old VCR?
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tell us another one ND..
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tell us why this matters..
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we all can see that Ronnie was more ripped in 99 than in 98. check the videos.
its pretty fucking obvious..
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Again you're owned by your own hero , NO its quite the opposite he's much harder & drier in 1998 , McGough says so and so does Ronnie and its clearly evident from the pictures and videos , again you see what you want like Flex winning in 1993 LMFAO
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Why do I care about 1999? Ronnie said in 1999 he couldn't beat Yates LMFAO owned
well, your friend Peter McGough certainly cared about 99:
sure as hell not 98:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_7_23/ai_n15346614
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totally owned.
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lol so now you are claiming Bizzy doctored the whole video, even though its the SAME video as available elsewhere? including the VHS in my old VCR?
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tell us another one ND..
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No you moron not the video of the pre-judging the video of his screencaps , I know you have comprehension problems but get with the program and that VHS video is the lowest of quality i.e. NOT an accurate respresentation of how he looked and look at the forcedreps VHS screencaps notice a difference ?
yeah I thought so ;)
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well, your friend Peter McGough certainly cared about 99:
sure as hell not 98:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_7_23/ai_n15346614
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totally owned.
The only thing you owned is yourself ;)
I still think he achieved his best-ever physique for the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic.
This proves my point once again he was better conditioned in 2001 compared to 1999 and NO WHERE does it claim he was harder & drier in 1999 compared to 1998 so again you're an idiot and a liar
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1999 = owned by 1998 Ronnie hard as nails in 1998 , 1999 fuller albeit softer
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Countdown to the excuses lol 1999 looks soft next to 1998 no contest
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The reason why Ronnie would prance around on the stage revealing his gut in such a manner is because I don't even think he was cognizant of it at all.
Jay and Dorian were both intelligent enough to understand they had this flaw, and consistently try to hide it on stage. Chalk that up to IQ.
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The reason why Ronnie would prance around on the stage revealing his gut in such a manner is because I don't even think he was cognizant of it at all.
Jay and Dorian were both intelligent enough to understand they had this flaw, and consistently try to hide it on stage. Chalk that up to IQ.
Ronnie knew he had a gut, one can only do so much, and when you play you pay. Ronnie just had freakier other bodyparts, and for the most part, just like Dorian, Ronnie's flaws were not noticed :-\. So that is why, you have wrinkle back Jay.
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Countdown to the excuses lol 1999 looks soft next to 1998 no contest
watch the videos moron.
you will see what we all see.
Ronnie 99 equals 98 in hardness.
only bigger.
Peter doesn't care about 98 for a reason. ;)
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Best arnold Classic performance ever was probably Levrone in 1996.
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watch the videos moron.
you will see what we all see.
Ronnie 99 equals 98 in hardness.
only bigger.
Peter doesn't care about 98 for a reason. ;)
Hulkster your tirade is old again notice everyone hails 2001 as his best showing not 1999 for a reason , again stop with the crusade of trying to prove it otherwise get over it.
and stop speaking for everyone as well thats lame because Ronnie Coleman himself isn't included in ' everyone ' neither is Peter McGough and Shawn Perine among others , again stop trying to change facts.
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I doubt if many people read this besides ND and Hulkster
but any caps from me that Hulkster has used lately have not been photoshopped
in anyway. I can't help the copy I got is darker than FR's.
The VHS tape I have looks actually even better than the caps, shows more detail, but we
had this conversation months ago and nothing has been touched in many months.
If anyone cares Hulkster is using legit caps from my 1999 Mr. Olympia VHS tape.
There were 4 pics from 1999 I lightened months ago. I admitted to it and ceased doing it after
I realized it was a problem with some. Everything after has been untouched including
the caps Hulkster is using now.
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I doubt if many people read this besides ND and Hulkster
but any caps from me that Hulkster has used lately have not been photoshopped
in anyway. I can't help the copy I got is darker than FR's.
The VHS tape I have looks actually even better than the caps, shows more detail, but we
had this conversation months ago and nothing has been touched in many months.
If anyone cares Hulkster is using legit caps from my 1999 Mr. Olympia VHS tape.
There were 4 pics from 1999 I lightened months ago. I admitted to it and ceased doing it after
I realized it was a problem with some. Everything after has been untouched including
the caps Hulkster is using now.
I told ND that. the moron never pays attention ::)
ND you are a moron.
consider you self even more badly OWNED..
whats your excuse NOW given that your photoshop line of defense is out the window (like I said it was from day one)
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you so damn stupid (and sad and bitter that you have to pull out excuses out your ass even after you were correct as usual)
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ps Bizzy your screencaps are excellent quality.
so good all ND can do is cry photoshop they own dorian so bad (and show that Ronnie 99 was in just as ripped condition as 2001 AC)
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If anyone cares Hulkster is using legit caps from my 1999 Mr. Olympia VHS tape.
thank you.
these idiots would like to think that the outstanding physique of Ronnie 99 is such because of a photoshop, but as always, REALITY owns them
hahahahahhaaha
I love owning ND's pathetic bitter ass.
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oh and ND note that the excellent comparisons that Bizzy made between 99 Ronnie and 2001 Ronnie that you claimed were only close because of "photoshopped pics" (sic) are, like EVERYONE KNEW in the first place, totally legit.
:P
you are such a loser. :-\
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Who knows? In many ways Ronnie was the same as always in 1998...
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Who knows? In many ways Ronnie was the same as always in 1998...
true. he was still way better than dorian ever was in 98. as always 8)
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Best arnold Classic performance ever was probably Levrone in 1996.
have you got the video by any chance on PC?
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I told ND that. the moron never pays attention ::)
ND you are a moron.
consider you self even more badly OWNED..
whats your excuse NOW given that your photoshop line of defense is out the window (like I said it was from day one)
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you so damn stupid (and sad and bitter that you have to pull out excuses out your ass even after you were correct as usual)
::)
ps Bizzy your screencaps are excellent quality.
so good all ND can do is cry photoshop they own dorian so bad (and show that Ronnie 99 was in just as ripped condition as 2001 AC)
Damn meltdown lol Hulkster you take this way to seriously lol
again he admitting to photoshopping pictures ( thats a fact ) and even after knowing this itd-bit you kept posting the pictures if anyone is ' owned ' its yourself
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thank you.
these idiots would like to think that the outstanding physique of Ronnie 99 is such because of a photoshop, but as always, REALITY owns them
hahahahahhaaha
I love owning ND's pathetic bitter ass.
Again you and your boy didn't think the screencaps were good enough as they were hence why he adjusted them ;) and you continued to use them so once again you didn't own anything just yourself.
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I doubt if many people read this besides ND and Hulkster
but any caps from me that Hulkster has used lately have not been photoshopped
in anyway. I can't help the copy I got is darker than FR's.
The VHS tape I have looks actually even better than the caps, shows more detail, but we
had this conversation months ago and nothing has been touched in many months.
If anyone cares Hulkster is using legit caps from my 1999 Mr. Olympia VHS tape.
There were 4 pics from 1999 I lightened months ago. I admitted to it and ceased doing it after
I realized it was a problem with some. Everything after has been untouched including
the caps Hulkster is using now.
Again you're full of shit none of your screencaps match ones that have been posted by forcedreps and the ones he posted were from a VHS copy as well spare us this ' legit ' screencaps bullshit , you admitted to tampering with pictures and you did it obviously because you didn't think they were good enough on their own , you created a problem not me.
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Hulkster & bizzy = owned
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1999 = owned by 1998 Ronnie hard as nails in 1998 , 1999 fuller albeit softer
Damn, Ronnie was way harder and more separated in 98 than 99! Picture proof case closed. Hulkster owned again. Pithy. hahahah
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Damn, Ronnie was way harder and more separated in 98 than 99! Picture proof case closed. Hulkster owned again. Pithy. hahahah
Ronnie himself said his best Olympia was his first specifically because his conditioning was ' spot-on' all these guys can do is cry ' Ronnie's never been a bright guy ' ::)
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Damn, Ronnie was way harder and more separated in 98 than 99! Picture proof case closed. Hulkster owned again. Pithy. hahahah
like I said, you ass kiss ND so bad it is sickening.. :-\
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like I said, you ass kiss ND so bad it is sickening.. :-\
You are a fucking moron. Ronnie Coleman himself said his best condition was 1998. Who the fuck are you to argue with that ::)
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You are a fucking moron. Ronnie Coleman himself said his best condition was 1998. Who the fuck are you to argue with that ::)
yes, and Ronnie also said he never injured his lats, triceps or anything else in 2007.
who the fuck are you to argue with that?
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god damn you are even dumber than ND.. :o :'(
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have you got the video by any chance on PC?
Unfortunately no, but I do have the FLEX and Ironaman issues that covered that contest, and let me tell you that Levrone looked better there than at the 1995 Olympia, which is considered his best performance ever.
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Unfortunately no, but I do have the FLEX and Ironaman issues that covered that contest, and let me tell you that Levrone looked better there than at the 1995 Olympia, which is considered his best performance ever.
Here is a link to a thread I made in October that has lots of pics from that contest.
1996 AC...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=176462.msg2470499#msg2470499 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=176462.msg2470499#msg2470499)
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You are a fucking moron. Ronnie Coleman himself said his best condition was 1998. Who the fuck are you to argue with that ::)
Great post ! who is he exactly to tell Ronnie oh I know just an internet-fan-boy lol
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Cormier was better than Jay cutler that day and the year after...Jay looked better though that time but I have the flex that covered that show and to me Cormier was just better...
hahhahhha i remeber those pics from that show.. i dont like jay but he did look badass at that show. chris c looked like a little gym rat... find pics and post all of them of the two from the show not just a couple. its quite amusing how jay made chris look like a little boy at that show.... jay looks like shit now but back then he was on top.
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Great post ! who is he exactly to tell Ronnie oh I know just an internet-fan-boy lol
so, Ronnie was not injured because Ronnie "said so"?
LOL
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so, Ronnie was not injured because Ronnie "said so"?
LOL
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yeah because Ronnie had a reason to lie about being better conditioned in 1998 VS 1999 ::) and all the writer's opinions just happen to coincide with it ::) everyone is lying and you uncovered the truth ::)
go away with your nonsense.
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yeah because Ronnie had a reason to lie about being better conditioned in 1998 VS 1999
he didn't purposely lie just to be deceptive you moron ::), he simply had a different perspective on the contest that was 10 years ago. A perspective that was not correct.
fortunately, the video camera does not lie.
it allows us to see what is bullshit and what is reality.
often there is a difference, especially in this sport.
eg. "I am in the greatest shape of my life!"
yeah, sure you are.. :-\
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he didn't purposely lie you moron, he simply had a different perspective on the contest that was 10 years ago. A perspective that was not correct.
fortunately, the video camera does not lie.
it allows us to see what is bullshit and what is reality.
often there is a difference, especially in this sport.
eg. "I am in the greatest shape of my life!"
yeah, sure you are.. :-\
Hulkster again his opinion he was better conditioned in 1998 coincides with credible writers all who were there live and in person and the video camera doesn't trump that kid and after watching the video you came to the conclusion Yates lost in 1993 so I guess the video camera lied then ;)
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how many times have we heard someone say "I am the best I have ever been"
only to give a quick glance at the contest and see that nothing could be farther from the truth..
Now, according to you ND, everything that every bodybuilder says about their physique MUST be true 100% of the time, because, according to you:
visuals do not trump the bodybuilder's opinion no matter what..
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can you not see how stupid you are? ::)
just because Ronnie Coleman says he was in his best shape condition wise in 98 does NOT automatically make it so.
in fact, a quick glance at the video tape shows quite the opposite: he was better in 99 and better at the AC for that matter too.
go away with your nonsense.
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and after watching the video you came to the conclusion Yates lost in 1993 so I guess the video camera lied then
where did you get this one from? your ass?
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I never said that ever. my original assertion was based on a few pics. thats all.
you are such a liar. :-\
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how many times have we heard someone say "I am the best I have ever been"
only to give a quick glance at the contest and see that nothing could be farther from the truth..
Now, according to you ND, everything that every bodybuilder says about their physique MUST be true 100% of the time, because, according to you:
visuals do not trump the bodybuilder's opinion no matter what..
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can you not see how stupid you are? ::)
just because Ronnie Coleman says he was in his best shape condition wise in 98 does NOT automatically make it so.
in fact, a quick glance at the video tape shows quite the opposite: he was better in 99 and better at the AC for that matter too.
go away with your nonsense.
Hulkster again it coincides with all the writers YOU are behind the 8 ball YOU are wrong period .
I showed visual proof Ronnie was harder in 1998 and backed it up with quotes from many credible sources its old news get over it
1998/2001 Ronnie is better conditioned than 1999 you have NO credible sources saying 99 was his best overall showing .
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where did you get this one from? your ass?
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I never said that ever. my original assertion was based on a few pics. thats all.
you are such a liar. :-\
You're full of shit and we both know it , and a few pics my ass YOU admitted you watched the 1993 Video and had the magazine with the 1993 Olympia coverage , you know the one where you lied and made up a quote from Shawn Ray
again you're ignorant as to what great conditioning is ( and isn't ) I've exposed how little you know countless times , you watched the video and seen the pics and came to the conclusion Yates lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to a much softer Flex Wheeler again this above all highlights you simply don't know what you're talking about. ( old news )
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ND is losing as always, so he brings in yet another angle to hijack a thread..
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how the fuck did you turn this into Flex vs dorian??
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go home little man.
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ND is losing as always, so he brings in yet another angle to hijack a thread..
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how the fuck did you turn this into Flex vs dorian??
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go home little man.
lmfao meltdown it was YOU and your nutt-hugging friends who hi-jacked this thread and now you have no answers and are forced to act like you just want to stay on topic lol again Hulkster you're not in my league and never will be because you're a slave to your own ignorance