Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
I am not sure. However, the 'gay pride movement' is a very wealthy and powerful lobby group.
It is easy to understand that the 'gay collective' would have a vested interest in a sport such as Pro Bodybuilding.
Anecdotally, it is easy is to draw a connection between Pro Bodybuilding and the Gay-pride-lobbyists.
Is 'gay money' really controlling Pro Bodybuilding in this modern era?
God knows, but i wouldn't be surprised!
hank is a faghag in denial :-X
why are u so fascinated with relating gay sex to bodybuilding...its well beyond me ...........
in general people have a kind of autopilot method when they associate one thing with another.....
perhaps u have this in ur little brain because u want bodybuilding to be related to gay sex.....and u just cant see past it...
thats the only conclusion i can come to......
u have a strange little mind........ ;)
Nothing on the planet is 'gayer' than Pro Bodybuilding
Hank wood = one of the biggest attention whores / worthless turds in Getbig ;D
I'm just saying Wank Wood is the kind of turd who is routinely seen being escorted out of bodybuilding shows while screaming at the promoter, "But you told me I could oil up all those beefy hunks if I swallowed. I hate you, you LIAR" and then comes home and logs on as Hank wood to make the same shitty posts over and over :-\would one of those "beefy hunks," as hank describes them, be our very own Lee Priest?
Kiwiol, are you implying that Wank Wood is subconsciously trying to express his repressed schmoe-ness and lust for big oily musclemen? ???
To be honest I'd say you post more about homosexuality than Hank, or anyone else on getbig.
Virtually everything you post is calling someone gay, or saying bodybuilding is gay, then you, amazingly, start talking about the bodybuilders you like and posting their pictures and websites.
If anyone seems to be battling conflicting feelings, it's you my friend.
1. It looks like I've hurt your feelings. As Squadfather would say, "relax, tiger, it's only the internet." :)
2. I never said anything along the lines of "bodybuilding is gay."
3. Are you kidding? I certainly don't post more than Wank Wood about the gay thing! Who made this thread? QED!
So, if a guy oils himself up, puts on a pair of daisy dukes and suspenders, and poses while lifting something, you are saying that's gay?
it is these AIDS ridden homos who give bodybuilding a bad name. they are disgusting and do not treat the sport seriously as it is meant to be. they take something noble and pure and twist it round into something sexual for the gratification of their revolting base desires.
the great bodybuilders are not homos. arnold, nasser and ronnie are not diseased bottom dwellers.
these sick people want to beleive that all others are like them and share their twisted and perverted outlook.
it is time to rid the sport of this vermin and make is respectable again and about the noble ideals that started it. gays should stick with there own kind and go to their disease ridden strip clubs if they want to drool over men.
its disgusting
it is these AIDS ridden homos who give bodybuilding a bad name. they are disgusting and do not treat the sport seriously as it is meant to be. they take something noble and pure and twist it round into something sexual for the gratification of their revolting base desires.
the great bodybuilders are not homos. arnold, nasser and ronnie are not diseased bottom dwellers.
these sick people want to beleive that all others are like them and share their twisted and perverted outlook.
it is time to rid the sport of this vermin and make is respectable again and about the noble ideals that started it. gays should stick with there own kind and go to their disease ridden strip clubs if they want to drool over men.
its disgusting
Ted Haggard has spoken. ;D
I dunno man, it doesn't sound as if Sharma is filled by the Holy Spirit!
Reverend X is. He comes in the name of Jesus by his power.
Ted Haggard has spoken. ;D
Huh? ???
so what does this mean? a Christian hypocrite , that is a surprise.
i take it this is an attempt by a homosexual to claim that anyone critical of him is also a vile homsexual in denial?
a great defence, it is not becuase we are disgusted by disease spreading and deeply unnatural activity of people who die young of diseases from their revolting behaviour and are more likely to be drug addicts, pedophiles and commit suicide, no, we secretly desire the shit orifice of another man.
i don't get this bodybuilding is for gay people stuff......gay people are everywheres and involved in everything just like black pepole and Asian people, maybe i am just ignorant on the subject but things in life are only as greasy and seedy as you let them be if the bodybuilders that do this stuff where not in to it they wouldn't do it there is always another option
would one of those "beefy hunks," as hank describes them, be our very own Lee Priest?now you're onto something :-X
That would explain a whole lost about his posts. I wonder why he's a fan of derek? :-X
unnatural activity
It is important to ask questions and seek answers! Albeit, we may not always like what we hear!
The gay movement maybe a very potent political force, but as fans of the sport we should be not intimidated by them!
The gay lobbyists have inflicted much damage onto this sport.
Thanks to their 'unwanted' intervention, the industry has declined into a circus of gayness.
Again, i not calling for the lynching of this group. I just want them to take their grubby hands out of this sport.
ha if hank started acting like a man...she'd be called a lesbian
Hank are you trying to tell me that a handfull of lispy, weak,effeminant homos in pink spandex shorts took control over thousands of macho muscular men? Maybe you and your friends are just not as manly as you think? How can you so easliy lose control over yourselves?
If you cant control yourselves then you only have yourselves to blame...Maybe its time you and your friends start acting like men and stop blaming other groups for your problems.
ha if hank started acting like a man...she'd be called a lesbian
Hank should flip through some Strength and Health mags from the 1950s and 1960s. Bodybuilding was already considered gay then. Back then bodybuilding contests were always held in conjunction with weightlifting contests, but the weightlifters really wanted nothing to do with it. One of the criticisms of the "Weider Methods" of bodybuilding was that it was too focused on the cosmetic building of muscle, doing exercises just to get big rather than to get strong. That was considered very vain and very gay.I see the seeds of Musclephone were planted early on 8)
Yes, Bodybuilding did splinter from Powerlifting.
The gay lobbyists needed to resurrect their image. So they turned to Pro Bodybuilding. It provided a vision of health and strength; something the aids epidemic was threatening to destroy.
The sickening and evil disease known as 'aids' claimed many a good man. The homosexual community was in disarray. The image of a 'wasting away, scab ridden fag' was damaging the image of the gay-pride-movement.
The gay lobbyists needed to resurrect their image. So they turned to Pro Bodybuilding.
The sickening and evil disease known as 'aids' claimed many a good man. The homosexual community was in disarray. The image of a 'wasting away, scab ridden fag' was damaging the image of the gay-pride-movement.
The gay lobbyists needed to resurrect their image. So they turned to Pro Bodybuilding. It provided a vision of health and strength; something the aids epidemic was threatening to destroy.
To this day, the gay lobbyists are still active in the Pro Bodybuilding scene. No longer do the public think of a homosexual as an emaciated aids patient but rather a strong-robust- thong-wearing-oiled-up-prancer.
(Waiting for Tim Fogarty to respond to this post.....) ;D
However, one thing cannot be denied, and that is bodybuilding has become increasingly 'gayed-up' over the past 20 years.
Many feel personally insulted by my claims that Pro Bodybuilding has become an annexe of the gay-pride-movement.
ok. give examples of how it has been gayed up in the last 20 years. smaller posing suits?
no, they just feel you're full of crap.
Most gays have never attended a bodybuilding contest. Most couldn't name a single pro or top amateur. Most, as in 99.999%. And of the gays who are into bodybuilding, very few are also gay activists. The first rule of being a gay activist is being out to everyone. Most of the gays in bodybuilding (especially those in power or those who compete) are not out.
When bodybuilders have names like Tim Faggety it make's you wonder :(
It has always had a large gay following. It's hardly surprising as it is little more than a male beauty pageant.
One only has to look at the introduction of the thong, posing styles, music and magazine-layouts to realise that Pro Bodybuilding is filling the very lucrative 'gay niche'.
Right.
The thing is.....it's a male beauty pageant aimed towards gay men. It's not even done for women to enjoy.... :-\
Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?
I am not sure. However, the 'gay pride movement' is a very wealthy and powerful lobby group.
It is easy to understand that the 'gay collective' would have a vested interest in a sport such as Pro Bodybuilding.
Anecdotally, it is easy is to draw a connection between Pro Bodybuilding and the Gay-pride-lobbyists.
Is 'gay money' really controlling Pro Bodybuilding in this modern era?
God knows, but i wouldn't be surprised!
Ask yourself why bodybuilders are hiking their trunks.
Why, all of a sudden, "glutes" became an ever important part bodybuilding.
Why trunks were exchanged for thongs.
Why gay escorts aren't penalized for violating IFBB rule of conduct, but those who calls officials cheaters are (Milos Sarcev).
The sickening and evil disease known as 'aids' claimed many a good man. The homosexual community was in disarray. The image of a 'wasting away, scab ridden fag' was damaging the image of the gay-pride-movement.haha oh brother
The gay lobbyists needed to resurrect their image. So they turned to Pro Bodybuilding. It provided a vision of health and strength; something the aids epidemic was threatening to destroy.
To this day, the gay lobbyists are still active in the Pro Bodybuilding scene. No longer do the public think of a homosexual as an emaciated aids patient but rather a strong-robust- thong-wearing-oiled-up-prancer.
For Christ sake
Why do people become so anti-bodybuilding when they realise they dont look like one after all the years of training and dieting?
-This is the arsenal of today's Pro Bodybuilder:
Striated glutes, cut off jeans, braces, spandex, string singlets, fluro, orange tans, oil and of course the thong.
Yes, it is frightening how the sport is pandering to the gay-collective.
The gay lobby is a very influential minority. It has its tentacles in many organisations. I just wish it would remove itself from Pro Bodybuilding!
Are you religious? Do you believe in "God" ?haha he does have fantasies about dorian's nuts
Serious question:
How in the fuck do you agree (if you're Cutler) with a shot like the one below? Was it taken for a bbing mag? If so, most of the readers are men, so I fail to see the appeal in taking such a shot for a man's muscle mag (unless of course the readers are gay).
Was it taken for a "playgirl" like mag, that supposedly appeals to women? That I could understand......
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209016.0;attach=243939;image)
I guess it's just me, but I wonder how something like that goes down, and someone like Jay agrees to it.
Schmoe Photographer: Okay Jay, for our next shoot, we'll need you to slip into these tiny daisy dukes. Our readers really seem to enjoy that look....
Jay: Okay....as long as our "readers" like it....
Schmoe Photographer: Also, I need you lo leave them unbuttoned, so as to making it look like your removing them......
No longer do the public think of a homosexual as an emaciated aids patient but rather a strong-robust- thong-wearing-oiled-up-prancer.LOL hank is killing me with his descriptions :D :D :D
Serious question:
How in the fuck do you agree (if you're Cutler) with a shot like the one below? Was it taken for a bbing mag? If so, most of the readers are men, so I fail to see the appeal in taking such a shot for a man's muscle mag (unless of course the readers are gay).
Was it taken for a "playgirl" like mag, that supposedly appeals to women? That I could understand......
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209016.0;attach=243939;image)
I guess it's just me, but I wonder how something like that goes down, and someone like Jay agrees to it.
Schmoe Photographer: Okay Jay, for our next shoot, we'll need you to slip into these tiny daisy dukes. Our readers really seem to enjoy that look....
Jay: Okay....as long as our "readers" like it....
Schmoe Photographer: Also, I need you lo leave them unbuttoned, so as to making it look like your removing them......
Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?You are joking ...I hope ???
I am not sure. However, the 'gay pride movement' is a very wealthy and powerful lobby group.
It is easy to understand that the 'gay collective' would have a vested interest in a sport such as Pro Bodybuilding.
Anecdotally, it is easy is to draw a connection between Pro Bodybuilding and the Gay-pride-lobbyists.
Is 'gay money' really controlling Pro Bodybuilding in this modern era?
God knows, but i wouldn't be surprised!
Cary Grant's long term boyfriend was Randolph Scott. He also had a fling with James Dean.
It is believed that Wayne's real name of Marion and his parents raising him as a girl led to his confused sexuality. Rock Hudson was his closest friend and the song "John Wayne is Big Leggy" is a comment on his super macho facade having queer underpinnings.
Listen to all you poor weak guys, Jimmy, Benito,Hank and Sharma, I feel so sorry for you being controlled by those big bad lisping gay boys, its such a shame, those gays are such bullies, how dare they control you like puppets...they are such violent and domineering people, this is so sad...you should have picked on them more in highschool, or thrown bigger stones at them in Iraq...Maybe you should all shoot up some more testosterone then maybe you will be man enough to fight off all those big bad sissies. What else can you do?
:'( :'( :'(
When gay men cease to exist; bodybuilding will cease to exist.
Again, a disease spreader trying to imply that his perverted and sickening habit of sexualizing the bodybuilder is what normal people do.haha it's just the internet burka breath...get a musclephone for christ sake
bodybuilding does not need the #### and sodomites that drool their bacteria infested salvia over the bodybuilding. you take something wholesome and admirable and make it truly disgusting and twisted.
Are you for real????????
you take something wholesome and admirable and make it truly disgusting and twisted.
Why do you think Jay, Nasser, Eddie, Bruce, and all the rest are willing to pose in daisy dukes?Do daisy dukes hold some special meaning for gays? I knew they are regarded as bad fashion sense but is there something especially gay about them?
Do daisy dukes hold some special meaning for gays? I knew they are regarded as bad fashion sense but is there something especially gay about them?
everything from the 1980s is now considered gay
Seriously, I'd like to hear people's opinions on this shot:
What's the purpose? Point?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209016.0;attach=244008;image)
Tim Fogarty or Bay, do either of you know about the origins of the shot above? I.E, was it a Flex/Ironman/MD mag shoot, Muscle Gallery, Colt, whatever...... ???
Seriously, I'd like to hear people's opinions on this shot:
What's the purpose? Point?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209016.0;attach=244008;image)
Tim Fogarty or Bay, do either of you know about the origins of the shot above? I.E, was it a Flex/Ironman/MD mag shoot, Muscle Gallery, Colt, whatever...... ???
the purpose seems to be to appeal to both homo and hetero males. in other words, those who find half naked men sexually appealing, and those who can look at his muscles and be inspired to train or become a fan of his. just one hetero man's opinion.
Seriously, I'd like to hear people's opinions on this shot:
What's the purpose? Point?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=209016.0;attach=244008;image)
Tim Fogarty or Bay, do either of you know about the origins of the shot above? I.E, was it a Flex/Ironman/MD mag shoot, Muscle Gallery, Colt, whatever...... ???
Don’t you know?
Print out the pic, show it to 10 people at random, and ask them what they think the “purpose” is. You’ll have your answer. If you need more proof tell them the pic was made primarily for a male audience and see what they say.
Bah! Fools!
Well, I realize that. But I'd like to hear other people's opinion of it. Especially those who cannot admit to themselves that this thing/industry/pageant is geared towards a certain crowd. Basically, I want to hear from those who are in denial, about comp. bbing. To me, it's pretty obvious what's going on, hell, like you said, if we took some sort of poll, most people would figure it out, right away. Yet many here, cannot admit to themselves what's really going on.
I do welcome everyone's opinion though.....
Well, I realize that. But I'd like to hear other people's opinion of it. Especially those who cannot admit to themselves that this thing/industry/pageant is geared towards a certain crowd. Basically, I want to hear from those who are in denial, about comp. bbing. To me, it's pretty obvious what's going on, hell, like you said, if we took some sort of poll, most people would figure it out, right away. Yet many here, cannot admit to themselves what's really going on.
I do welcome everyone's opinion though.....
maybe im in denial, as i do feel that there are valid reasons for the things that bbers do onstage, as ive mentioned in this thread on a previous page.
can u tell me what parts of a bbing comp u think specifically target gays?
By definition you cannot hear from them what any rational person would articulate. They are in denial. It is a real and powerful phenomenon and pointing out to someone that they are in denial is not enough to yoke them out of it.
Just look at the absurd examples of Ted Haggard and Larry Craig. They were so deep in denial that they got married to women—and had sex with men on the side. Now, even after having been exposed to the whole world, they still believe they are straight. They really do.
If you’ve only seen it in TV and movies—and never dealt with it face to face—it may be hard to appreciate how real and powerful denial can be. :-\
do either of you know about the origins of the shot above? I.E, was it a Flex/Ironman/MD mag shoot, Muscle Gallery, Colt, whatever...... ???
I think it is early 90s (with Jay being in his early 20s), and from one of the main bodybuilding mags.
This one is from 1996, shortly before Jay won his pro card.
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi170.jpg)
Where to start? :-\
Go to a show, (overwhelming) majority of the audience is male.
The men flex for the crowd of men.
They pump up, for the crowd of men.
They oil up, for a crowd of men.
They wear the tiniest trunks available.
They hike up these tiny trunks, to show off their asses.
You have men going ape shit, when the above happens.
For some reason, the bigger the man, the bigger the cheer.
You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)
You have guys humping the stage floor, as part of their routines.
You have men doing the splits.
There's pictures of men in tiny daisy dukes, as they lift heavy weights (clearly to satisfy someone's fetish).
Schmoes run the industry (Blekman, Weeda's).
G4P
Gay-4-charity
Gay-4-pleasure
Dude, I could be here all night typing this shit up. Then there's the stuff that BayGM mentions.......
I was once like you. Somethings just seemed odd, but I didn't really think about it. Slowly but surely, my eyes were opened..... :-\
Don't get me wrong, I love bbing (training, lifestyle, discipline). But the comp. side of it, the pageantry (might as well call it what it is) is what it is.
Clearly geared towards gay men.
And no, I have NOTHING against gays (live and let live is my motto), but reality is what it is.
Go to a show, (overwhelming) majority of the audience is male. it's a male sport. males bodybuild, women 'sculpt' and 'tone'. besides, we know their physiques only attract a small amount of sexual lust from women, so they really have little reason to watch.
The men flex for the crowd of men. see above point, and add that it's a competition. they flex for the crowd AND judges.
They pump up, for the crowd of men. see above point
They oil up, for a crowd of men. " "
They wear the tiniest trunks available. show off more muscle to gain every advantage possible, though this really isnt necessary in most cases.
They hike up these tiny trunks, to show off their asses. see above
You have men going ape shit, when the above happens. see first point...
For some reason, the bigger the man, the bigger the cheer. im repeating myself here
You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?) although bbing is mainly a sport for those who workout, aslong as u are attracted by huge muscles, u will watch. that doesnt make u a schmoe either.
You have guys humping the stage floor, as part of their routines. never seen that done
You have men doing the splits. so? it was a staple part of flex's award winning routine, and ronnie looked insane when he did the splits.
There's pictures of men in tiny daisy dukes, as they lift heavy weights (clearly to satisfy someone's fetish). refer to my point a few pages back ;)
Schmoes run the industry (Blekman, Weeda's). never said the gay/closet gay community werent a big part of the fans/industry
G4P refer to above point, and add: it makes them money
Gay-4-charity
Gay-4-pleasure
gordiano:
I love your avatar. A pumped up, oiled up Shawn Ray putting on mascara... or is that eye liner... or eye shadow? I always get eye make up confused. Not that it matters... it's still laughable. :D
Unless one is in denial. ;D
Although... do you recall a cover of flex or ironman magazine where Jay Cutler was just wearing a towel and it was half falling off... extremely gay.... well it was the worst selling issue by a mile that magazine ever had... the reason given was because the readers were too homophobic...
ha ha ha ha ha I'd forgotten about that cover. It puts the daisy dukes photos to shame. :-[
They're not even pretending anymore.....just straight "gayness for sale". :-\
Although... do you recall a cover of flex or ironman magazine where Jay Cutler was just wearing a towel and it was half falling off... extremely gay.... well it was the worst selling issue by a mile that magazine ever had... the reason given was because the readers were too homophobic...
It's gone all so horribly wrong!
I lament the passing of the golden era!
I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!
It's gone all so horribly wrong!
I lament the passing of the golden era!
I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!
Thank you, Tim.i find the shot a classic and not SEXY
Add that to the evidence....
Seriously now, imagine yourselves as a straight man, walking to the cashier and paying for this magazine with its homo erotic cover....... :-\
Can you name another sport where the athletes are so frequently photographed wearing daisy dukes? :D
Your question makes no sense...
Thank you, Tim.
Add that to the evidence....
Seriously now, imagine yourselves as a straight man, walking to the cashier and paying for this magazine with its homo erotic cover....... :-\
Can you name another sport where the athletes are so frequently photographed wearing daisy dukes? :D
Sigh. What guys won't do to score or keep a contract.
Are the daisy duke shoots all that different than say:
http://www.alta-glamour.com/cgi-bin/glam/44080.html .
or
http://www.handsomebrothers.com/news/images/muscle.jpg .
or
http://www.timinvermont.com/vintage/previewz035e.html
or
http://www.creativevisionsbooks.com/itmagyoungphysiquev01n02.html
Honestly 95% of bodybuilding magazines have been thinly veiled homoerotic stroke books since the hobby began.
Bob Hoffman's and Peary Rader's magazines were probably the straightest of the bunch, but even then some of shoots were rather gay, like the "Sword and Sandals" stuff.
We're all fans of a gay sub-culture, we should just get use to it:).
Are the daisy duke shoots all that different than say:
Honestly 95% of bodybuilding magazines have been thinly veiled homoerotic stroke books since the hobby began.
Bob Hoffman's and Peary Rader's magazines were probably the straightest of the bunch, but even then some of shoots were rather gay, like the "Sword and Sandals" stuff.
We're all fans of a gay sub-culture, we should just get use to it:).
i admit that cover is homoerotic
but that is just one out of thousands of covers, stop focusing on the one gay cover, gordy :P
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Earl, my buddy in denial. That is just one cover......I don't know how many others there may be. But what about the pages within the mags? Every bbing mag. They're all over the place.
Earl, I need your opinion on something:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=209194.0
i don't remember seeing too many pics with bodybuilders covering their genitals with hand towels
or maybe i don't give them a second look like you do ;D
No, you give them a third, fourth, and a fifth, followed by a good stroke.
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Are the daisy duke shoots all that different than say: [...]
We're trying to have a serious conversation here, buddy. Keep your fantasies out of it.
As I have said, I was once like you. Signs were there, but I didn't think much of it. Some people just refuse to open their eyes......
the examples you give were all considered blue magazines, ie softcore gay porn. Bodybuilders were often blacklisted or outright banned from the AAU for appearing in them. Larry Scott was pretty much run out of the AAU (and into the IFBB) for appearing on the cover of Physique Pictorial.
Earl, my buddy in denial. That is just one cover......I don't know how many others there may be. But what about the pages within the mags? Every bbing mag. They're all over the place.
Earl, I need your opinion on something:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=209194.0
Many...
Alright we can split hairs, but they were representive of majority of publications dealing with physical culture during that time. Offhand, I can think of only 3-4 that actually tried to promote strength, health, and fitness without playing up the gay angle.
the examples you give were all considered blue magazines, ie softcore gay porn. Bodybuilders were often blacklisted or outright banned from the AAU for appearing in them. Larry Scott was pretty much run out of the AAU (and into the IFBB) for appearing on the cover of Physique Pictorial.
Tim, would you say musclegallery.com is the equivalent today of those blue magazines?
Tim, would you say musclegallery.com is the equivalent today of those blue magazines?
It's hard to imagine anyone being banned or blacklisted today because this 'blue' activity is so common. If you ban one person you end up having to ban so many others there would almost be no one left.
silvio grinds the sofa bed on some video
99.9% of the guys that do that kind of stuff now are up and comers who either don't have sponsers or never will. It's rare you see any top guys taking that route let alone sticking to it after they become a big name.
silvio grinds the sofa bed on some video
Many...
Many...
It's gone all so horribly wrong!
I lament the passing of the golden era!
I am filled with sadness as i watch this sport spiral into a gay-abyss!
The golden era was never golden; you just didn't know what was going on. :-[
...Sandow also engaged in what we would today call 'private posing'. Fork over the cash and you can watch him flex for you in private. Fork over more cash and you are allowed to touch his muscles. Fork over even more cash and... well, you get the idea...
that's called making money and keeping fans. theres nothing wrong or sick with private posing. if u think there is, then half the people here are sick human beings, as they go to strip clubs and engage in the exact same thing.
that's called making money and keeping fans. theres nothing wrong or sick with private posing. if u think there is, then half the people here are sick human beings, as they go to strip clubs and engage in the exact same thing.
two covers aren't exactly "many" and i don't see how these covers are gayi don't think that it's necessarily da 'stache, it's more like the f@ggotty powder blue blackround and the almost dreamlike atmosphere of da photo :D
is it the moustache or what?
like i said NUMEROUS TIMES it is only gay if you want it to be gay
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most gays, let alone most people, have never paid a bodybuilder to be allowed to jack off while the bodybuilder flexes. that's what private posing means.
I dont see how you can claim the moustache as being only for gay men, and cut off flannels...as I said in a previous post, those styles are not ours to claim, they have been around for many many years before gays were out and about, we may parody them but we cannot claim we invented them...Your gay centric point of view is just as bad as being homophobic.
i don't think that it's necessarily da 'stache, it's more like the f@ggotty powder blue blackround and the almost dreamlike atmosphere of da photo :D
I dont see how you can claim the moustache as being only for gay men, and cut off flannels...as I said in a previous post, those styles are not ours to claim, they have been around for many many years before gays were out and about, we may parody them but we cannot claim we invented them...Your gay centric point of view is just as bad as being homophobic.
Bodybuildings very core has gay roots. Ever hear the Master Blaster talk? Nough said
I was always aware of it and never had a problem with it. If you are secure in your own sexuality then you shouldn't give a frack who looks at, applauds or drools over your body. As long as nobody gets over enthusiastic and puts a hand on you, live and let live :)
Therein lies the rub; a lot of men who patronize bodybuilding are insecure. Rememeber this thread? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=132861.0
As I see it, bodybuilding attracts several types of men.
• the secure heterosexual man; he can readily admit how gay bodybuilding is and embrace it anyway. There are relatively few of these men but they are a welcome addition to the sport. Example: gordiano.
• the insecure heterosexual man; these guys are often not too bright and insist there is nothing gay about bodybuilding even as their heroes oil up, wear thongs, pose to music for an audience of cheering men, show off their shredded bums on stage, make lusty videos, and private pose behind closed doors. “I don’t see what’s gay about that!” dispite all the evidence to the contrary.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=209016.msg2889800#msg2889800
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=132861.msg1879056#msg1879056
Again, these men have, shall we say, limited powers of perception. Example: I won’t name names, but they are all around you.
• the secure bi man; he likes hot women, but he likes hot men too and knows that bodybuilding is full of hot men. Why not enjoy the best of both worlds? These guys have no intention of giving up women (many are happily married), but see no reason to limit their options aesthetically or physically. Example: there are quite a few in the sport and on this board, but I shan’t name them publicly; some have already identified themselves in various threads.
• the insecure bi-curious man; in perpetual fear of discovery he, too, is inclined to insist there is nothing gay about bodybuilding but that won’t stop him from patronizing the sport: attending shows, buying videos, magazines, musclegallery.com, private posing sessions, etc. Admitting the sport is gay means admitting that he is more than ‘curious’ and he doesn’t want to do that because that means looking in the mirror. Example: Ted Haggard.
• the gay man; yep, he likes musclecock and musclebutts and he’s not ashamed to admit it. This is not to say that gays aren’t insecure; there are many things gay men are insecure about but liking men is not one of them. :D
As I see it, bodybuilding attracts several types of men.
• the secure heterosexual man; he can readily admit how gay bodybuilding is and embrace it anyway. There are relatively few of these men but they are a welcome addition to the sport. Example: gordiano.
You take things to the extreme sometimes, I mean have you ever admitted to being wrong in your life because it seems you always have a explanation or reason for something and nothing anyone says holds any backing in your opinion. It's like everything BBing is on a 24/7 gay agenda in your view but for some reason I highly doubt that's the case. I am not saying it's not on their agenda at all as I am sure there are plenty of gays who follow or participate in BBing at some level (competitors, behind the scenes, promoting) but I just don't agree with the extreme views you suggest.
ever notice how bay is the only one that has seen guys jerking off at a show?
many guys here have been to shows, why haven't they seen this? you know they would've mentioned it if they saw it
he's just another gay guy that tries to rationalize any way he can to make him feel secure about being a gay man
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In his opinion every guy who cheers at a show is either a fag or afraid to come out of the closet. ::)
Why does bodybuilding have to be gay BayGBM?
• the insecure heterosexual man; these guys are often not too bright and insist there is nothing gay about bodybuilding even as their heroes oil up, wear thongs, pose to music for an audience of cheering men, show off their shredded bums on stage, make lusty videos, and private pose behind closed doors. “I don’t see what’s gay about that!” despite all the evidence to the contrary. Like that Jay Cutler daisy duke pic and this:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=209016.msg2889800#msg2889800
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=132861.msg1879056#msg1879056
Again, these men have, shall we say, limited powers of perception. Example:I won’t name names, but they are all around youBob Chick.
You take things to the extreme sometimes, I mean have you ever admitted to being wrong in your life because it seems you always have a explanation or reason for something and nothing anyone says holds any backing in your opinion. It's like everything BBing is on a 24/7 gay agenda in your view but for some reason I highly doubt that's the case. I am not saying it's not on their agenda at all as I am sure there are plenty of gays who follow or participate in BBing at some level (competitors, behind the scenes, promoting) but I just don't agree with the extreme views you suggest.
;D ;D "Taking the mystery out of protein intake", do you know anything about that Bay ;D ;D
HAHAHAHAHA "What it takes to become a sucessful pro" ;D ;D ;D
Are my views that extreme? Aren't you the one who dug up this cover and drew our attention to the double entendres on this other one?
Bay, why do you ignore Nycbull's many telling points and persuasive arguments?
This should be voted on:
http://snappoll.com/poll/263548.php
Bay, why do you ignore Nycbull's many telling points and persuasive arguments?
He gets Vince Basile syndrome every now and then...
hahaha,I do, and feel very ignored, but at least some of you are reading my posts. cause you cant change people that dont want to have an open honest discourse...Bay has SEX on the Brain, and that is fine for his private life, but it skews his perspective of the rest of the world...He believes he is so self improtant that everyone everwhere has some interest in gays, or wants to have gay sex....This kind of belief is just as dangerous as hate filled homophopbia and creates just as much polarity and division in society and always leads to violence.
Bay does not have the numbers to back up his claims. Even if 10 percent of magazine subscribers were gay, that would hardly make it a gay magazine. SInce there are 3-5 percent of us in the general populaiont, 10 -20 percent is a generours number to give, but even giving that number it is not cause to declare bodybyilding gay.
Bay if you have any other statistics please bring them forward. Also, please be honest, I dont know who you hang around with but do your friends subscribe to MD, FLex and whack off to it???....Because I bodybuild with my gay friends and not one of us subscribes to those magazines. I dont know too many gay men that find shaved, primadonna, insecure, vain, metrosexuals, drug dependendent men, very masculine. I prefer a good 70's Colt Catalouge any day.
The fact is that bodybuilding today is the furthest away from gay culture that it has been since the early 1980's. Since the 90's gays have divorced their obsession and love of the sport. You will not find any post 1990 imagery of bodbuilders in gay clubs or magazines. YOu will find mostly stuff from the more wholesome times, 80,s 70.s 60.s..Most gay men are clueless as to what is going on today in bodybuildng, they dont care like many other people who think the bodyies are no longer aesthetic.
It is important to point out that the imagaery in bb magazines is anything but gay. The magazine style departments must be living in the dark ages, pumping out garish obnoxious over the top extreme imagery assaulting the senses. In fact they could learn a little style if they would actually hire a gay graphic artists.
So if the artists arent gay then how do you explain the provocative pictorials and daisy dukes and flannel shirts in pictorials? ...Easy those icons of fashion represent times in americas history when men were considerered macho, they were farmers, and lumberjacks, and cowboys and motocycle gangs. Those days are long gone but the fasion icons still remain today as representations of strength of the real macho male, the real blue collar manly man....Anyone has free license to use these iconic images as they see fit. ...Gays do not own those representations and it is arrogant to believe they do, It is very homocentric of Bay to believe everytime he sees a man photographed in a cut off flannel that the intention is to get him horny....It is self absorbed and very perverse if you ask me....Art should never be bound by the warped trappings of one group of people. Art is for all to interpret on their own.
Its time for Bay to look at bodybuilding outside his homocentric point of view and acknowldge the vast number of straigt men involved in the sport and that the macho imagery and costuming has nothing to do with homosexual sex, they are just paradigms of macho cultures used for effect and enhancement juxtposed on current day muscle men. They are not gay nor straight. Just enjoy the art. Let go of your trappings.
hahaha,I do, and feel very ignored, but at least some of you are reading my posts. cause you cant change people that dont want to have an open honest discourse...Bay has SEX on the Brain, and that is fine for his private life, but it skews his perspective of the rest of the world...He believes he is so self improtant that everyone everwhere has some interest in gays, or wants to have gay sex....This kind of belief is just as dangerous as hate filled homophopbia and creates just as much polarity and division in society and always leads to violence.
Bay does not have the numbers to back up his claims. Even if 10 percent of magazine subscribers were gay, that would hardly make it a gay magazine. SInce there are 3-5 percent of us in the general populaiont, 10 -20 percent is a generours number to give, but even giving that number it is not cause to declare bodybyilding gay.
Bay if you have any other statistics please bring them forward. Also, please be honest, I dont know who you hang around with but do your friends subscribe to MD, FLex and whack off to it???....Because I bodybuild with my gay friends and not one of us subscribes to those magazines. I dont know too many gay men that find shaved, primadonna, insecure, vain, metrosexuals, drug dependendent men, very masculine. I prefer a good 70's Colt Catalouge any day.
The fact is that bodybuilding today is the furthest away from gay culture that it has been since the early 1980's. Since the 90's gays have divorced their obsession and love of the sport. You will not find any post 1990 imagery of bodbuilders in gay clubs or magazines. YOu will find mostly stuff from the more wholesome times, 80,s 70.s 60.s..Most gay men are clueless as to what is going on today in bodybuildng, they dont care like many other people who think the bodyies are no longer aesthetic.
It is important to point out that the imagaery in bb magazines is anything but gay. The magazine style departments must be living in the dark ages, pumping out garish obnoxious over the top extreme imagery assaulting the senses. In fact they could learn a little style if they would actually hire a gay graphic artists.
So if the artists arent gay then how do you explain the provocative pictorials and daisy dukes and flannel shirts in pictorials? ...Easy those icons of fashion represent times in americas history when men were considerered macho, they were farmers, and lumberjacks, and cowboys and motocycle gangs. Those days are long gone but the fasion icons still remain today as representations of strength of the real macho male, the real blue collar manly man....Anyone has free license to use these iconic images as they see fit. ...Gays do not own those representations and it is arrogant to believe they do, It is very homocentric of Bay to believe everytime he sees a man photographed in a cut off flannel that the intention is to get him horny....It is self absorbed and very perverse if you ask me....Art should never be bound by the warped trappings of one group of people. Art is for all to interpret on their own.
Its time for Bay to look at bodybuilding outside his homocentric point of view and acknowldge the vast number of straigt men involved in the sport and that the macho imagery and costuming has nothing to do with homosexual sex, they are just paradigms of macho cultures used for effect and enhancement juxtposed on current day muscle men. They are not gay nor straight. Just enjoy the art. Let go of your trappings.
Oh yeah and WTF too much info there buddy. ;D
nycbull - "I prefer a good 70's Colt Catalouge any day." :-X :-X :-X
like i said NUMEROUS TIMES it is only gay if you want it to be gay
Way to bump a quality thread there, BayGBM ::)
They're not even pretending anymore.....just straight "gayness for sale". :-\
Yesterday, someone sent me a clip from this vid of Jaroslav posing in the rain, on a rooftop, wearing daisy dukes. But I don't want to jump to conclusions. After all . . .
;D
Yesterday, someone sent me a clip from this vid of Jaroslav posing in the rain, on a rooftop, wearing daisy dukes. But I don't want to jump to conclusions. After all . . .
;D
So Derek can dress anyway he wants and is as straight as they come??We won't mention this sick Fuk gets an erection when old men touch him.FFS.My only question is how many women belong to these sites.
So Derek can dress anyway he wants and is as straight as they come??We won't mention this sick Fuk gets an erection when old men touch him.FFS.My only question is how many women belong to these sites.
That question has been batted around before. I'd guess less than 20%. Much less! On the whole, women are not as willing as men to pay for pornography or erotica. I think not knowing (or pretending not to know) is what makes posing for these sites acceptable to some 'straight' guys. If you keep telling yourself that you're doing it "for the ladies" then it's ok. ;)
notice how he's standing next to two women?
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only a gay man would look at those covers and think they are gayJust found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by artistic characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick. ;)
at least you aren't in denial like so many here, bay
when i read bodybuilding magazines i used to leave them on my coffee table, i have had very few friends that like bodybuilding
and nobody ever mentioned the word "gay"
that's because my friends are straight and have no doubts about their sexuality 8)
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Just found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick. ;)that is a great(funny) shot lol
/straight
Just found this thread and, uh no, Earl, you're wrong. Bay is correct except his argument is lacking. What he should have used was one based on aesthetic criteria. Just as Art Deco or French Impressionism can be defined by artistic characteristics which define said aesthetic, so can (some - I don't share his view that it is all) BBing. The Chickster frequently uses the 'you see what you want to see' argument, particularly when defending his own pics, and I have to laugh. It is a spurious one. The one pic that gets me chucking the most is the 'army' one where he's got a huge length of chain over his shoulder. Not gay? Hmm. Well, it has all the criteria of homoeroticism, but whatever you say Chick. ;)
/straight
The gay lobbyists have taken over the sport and nobody seems to care!I don't have any idea what you mean? ???
I don't have any idea what you mean? ???nice video, is that pro-bodybuilding?
nice video, is that pro-bodybuilding?No but it is por qualifier posedown , I think.
well when i look at that pic of bob, sexual thoughts DO NOT enter my mindRead my post again, Earl. Is it a comprehension problem? When a picture has 2-3 criteria of an aesthetic it can reasonably assumed to fit a certain style. It has nothing to do with suggestion or subtext - it is there. Grow up ::)
apparently they enter yours :P
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Read my post again, Earl. Is it a comprehension problem? When a picture has 2-3 criteria of an aesthetic it can reasonably assumed to fit a certain style. It has nothing to do with suggestion or subtext - it is there. Grow up ::)
is tommy lee gay for posing NAKED in playgirl, a magazine read mostly by gay men?You know. I wouldn't have any idea. Honest. How about this: I've made more than my fair share of fashion faux pas over the years but I've never once thought it a good idea to wear nothing but a pair of Daisy Dukes and a cut-off lumberjack shirt. And I know wearing it in the gym would be a baaaaad idea. Nor would I think it a positive fashion statement to put on just fatigue pants, a helmet and drape a big-ass length of chain over myself while looking insolently around*. Certainly would give off a vibe I'm not interested in. See my point now?
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Times have changed. A big example is Repetrope/USA Muscle. In the late 80's though the mid-90s, it was another company - VIDEO ACTION - that used to tape the NPC contests, pre-judging & pump room videos. You had to buy these videos if you wanted to look at bodybuilders other than just the magazines. VIDEO ACTION or TERRY PHOTO [ out of San Francisco ! ] invented the " pump room " tapes of filming bodybuilders backstage pumping up, oling & posing. Whatever company it is, they all pay the NPC big fees at having access to shoot the contests.Hmm. Debatable. Certainly made it more available.
Look at Repetrope today. What was once only seen by bodybuilding fans, whatever their sexual orientation, is now a staple at every big national NPC contest. You can view bodybuilders in all types of posing on the internet. It's now as established part of viewing bodybuilders, and it used to be even more of a cultish, fetish interest even 12 years ago before the internet exploded, and opened the gates to bodybuilders being seen more as homoerotic.
And other gay owned companies, like Musclehunks, Musclegallery, Muscleworship and Jimmyzproductions are all getting some NPC bodybuilders , and even IFBB pros [ Kai Greene dances at Jimmyz strip shows in L.A. ] to pose. So, it's total gayness all over the internet for extroverted bodybuilders to show themselves off , whatever their motives are. And look, a lot of these guys who pose for the websites, or dance for a gay audience, or do jerk off videos, are getting major coverage and covers of the muscle magazines. Case in point: Chris Jalali is one of the favorite bodybuilders getting major covers of muscle mags & features, and he did j/o videos for Musclehunks. Gay editors, photographers & owners of these companies that are making money off of bodybuilding are featuring these bodybuilders.
Oh, & don't forget, the NPC gets a big cut from the fees that Repetrope/USA Muscle, Contest Muscle & Terry Photo [ all gay owned & controlled companies that make lots of money ] have to pay them. It's all part & parcel of the business. And the internet has blurred the lines & broken down taboos & barriers of what was once too gay, too fetish, too much on the fringe of homoerotic.
Times have changed. A big example is Repetrope/USA Muscle. In the late 80's though the mid-90s, it was another company - VIDEO ACTION - that used to tape the NPC contests, pre-judging & pump room videos. You had to buy these videos if you wanted to look at bodybuilders other than just the magazines. VIDEO ACTION or TERRY PHOTO [ out of San Francisco ! ] invented the " pump room " tapes of filming bodybuilders backstage pumping up, oling & posing. Whatever company it is, they all pay the NPC big fees at having access to shoot the contests.
Look at Repetrope today. What was once only seen by bodybuilding fans, whatever their sexual orientation, is now a staple at every big national NPC contest. You can view bodybuilders in all types of posing on the internet. It's now as established part of viewing bodybuilders, and it used to be even more of a cultish, fetish interest even 12 years ago before the internet exploded, and opened the gates to bodybuilders being seen more as homoerotic.
And other gay owned companies, like Musclehunks, Musclegallery, Muscleworship and Jimmyzproductions are all getting some NPC bodybuilders , and even IFBB pros [ Kai Greene dances at Jimmyz strip shows in L.A. ] to pose. So, it's total gayness all over the internet for extroverted bodybuilders to show themselves off , whatever their motives are. And look, a lot of these guys who pose for the websites, or dance for a gay audience, or do jerk off videos, are getting major coverage and covers of the muscle magazines. Case in point: Chris Jalali is one of the favorite bodybuilders getting major covers of muscle mags & features, and he did j/o videos for Musclehunks. Gay editors, photographers & owners of these companies that are making money off of bodybuilding are featuring these bodybuilders.
Oh, & don't forget, the NPC gets a big cut from the fees that Repetrope/USA Muscle, Contest Muscle & Terry Photo [ all gay owned & controlled companies that make lots of money ] have to pay them. It's all part & parcel of the business. And the internet has blurred the lines & broken down taboos & barriers of what was once too gay, too fetish, too much on the fringe of homoerotic.
Glad you agree. The internet certainly has opened up the proliferation of websites devoted to photos, images & videos of bodybuilders. Videos that once were considered to be like a subculture of bodybuilding, such as pump room videos, are now commonly accepted by the NPC, IFBB & the bodybuilders themselves. Terry Photo will have his camera on a guy's ass or close-up of a bulge in posing trunks, and it's no longer a big deal. Repetrope has expanded like never before with photos & videos of every bodybuilder who competes on their " USA Muscle " website. Who do you think pays & looks at this stuff? Nobody blinks an eye anymore to it. All these gay owned websites are making thousands, if not a million or two or more. As long as they pay the federation their big fees, nearly anything is acceptable today. Throw them all some money, and no one will bat an eye.
What a difference from just 10 years ago, when Rusty Jeffers got a lot of flack just for nude photos for Colt. He wasn't the first, there were plenty of others before. Now you have guys like Mark Erpelding and Chris Jalali all over gay websites smiling, grinning & j/o'ing, and they get covers & articles in the muscle mags. It's the world wide web. Nobody is forcing them to. They get rewarded in one way or many ways for being out there on the web.
Bodybuilding has exploded on the internet, & male bodybuilders as homoerotica, eye candy or sex objects is in full gear. And it's bound to get bigger yet. Musclehunks has a ton of money to throw someone for posing, and there have been big names in bodybuilding who have done stuff, which obviously, isn't a secret when they're doing it for the internet. Your point of the stuff beyond the internet is true & very real as well.
What a difference from just 10 years ago, when Rusty Jeffers got a lot of flack just for nude photos for Colt. He wasn't the first, there were plenty of others before. Now you have guys like Mark Erpelding and Chris Jalali all over gay websites smiling, grinning & j/o'ing, and they get covers & articles in the muscle mags.
You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?);D
The definition of gay::D :D :D
Oiled- up, hormonised, thong-wearing men who dance to audiences full of overweight men with cameras....gay, gay, gay!
The definition of gay:
Oiled- up, hormonised, thong-wearing men who dance to audiences full of overweight men with cameras....gay, gay, gay!
It's wide open now for bodybuilders to pose for whatever gay-owned website that is primarily viewed & marketed to a gay audeience. It didn't use to be so open & pervasive. Just viewing bodybuilders on the internet will direct you to a gay website with NPC competitors posing , doing videos, and webcams! And they know what they're doing. It's just a click away for anyone to see. Now THAT has changed things tremendously. Used to be it was only Colt who featured some competitive bodybuilders, and you had to buy a magazine , a video or photos by subscription. Now it's practically an ACCEPTED or at least TOLERATED extension of getting your name out there & getting publicity . And that's just what you're seeing on the internet. As Bay has said, think of what is going on behind the scenes! There are a LOT of sites featuring NPC guys posing in very sexually erotic settings. If you like bodybuilders, there is a ton to see on the net. And I don't own a subscription to any of these sites either. But it's there for anyone who wants it, and it's going to get even more explicit in time.what do you imagine is going on behind the scenes?
what do you imagine is going on behind the scenes?
It's wide open now for bodybuilders to pose for whatever gay-owned website that is primarily viewed & marketed to a gay audeience. It didn't use to be so open & pervasive. Just viewing bodybuilders on the internet will direct you to a gay website with NPC competitors posing , doing videos, and webcams! And they know what they're doing. It's just a click away for anyone to see. Now THAT has changed things tremendously. Used to be it was only Colt who featured some competitive bodybuilders, and you had to buy a magazine , a video or photos by subscription. Now it's practically an ACCEPTED or at least TOLERATED extension of getting your name out there & getting publicity . And that's just what you're seeing on the internet. As Bay has said, think of what is going on behind the scenes! There are a LOT of sites featuring NPC guys posing in very sexually erotic settings. If you like bodybuilders, there is a ton to see on the net. And I don't own a subscription to any of these sites either. But it's there for anyone who wants it, and it's going to get even more explicit in time.
It took you clowns 10 pages to come to the conclusion that "Pro" Bodybuilding is a gay/schmoe driven "sport"? The bodybuilding stage is a gay paradise and the crowd is full of schmoes who jerk each other off, I wonder if a jizzmopper is a permanently staffed position on hand at all times during the shows?
haha jizzmopper is so last year LOL
Daisy Dukes galore!
I have no reason to think so.
Do you think "Carl Hardwick" is gay, Bay?
Rusty Jeffers is the performer who plays Carl Hardwick. He's not gay.
HO HO HO!!! THAT PHOTO IS HILARIOUS!!!
RUSTY LOOKS LIKE A BEAR TYPE HERE . MUST HAVE BEEN AT A COLT EVENT PARTY.
HE'S A NICE GUY...NOT A HYPOCRITE LIKE SOME OTHER BODYBUILDERS. HE HAS SAID THAT HE HAS THE FREEDOM TO DO WHAT WANTS AND TO MAKE MONEY AS HE WANTED TO.
AT LEAST IT'S BETTER THAN DANCING AT A GAY CLUB IN L.A. LIKE KAU GREENE , AMON ADIBI AND OTHER NPC COMPETITORS DO AT THE FAULTLINE IN L.A. FOR WWW.JIMMYZPRODUCTIONS.CO M
YOU MAY BE SURPRISED!
Google says the contrary.
Did the 'gay lobbyists' hijack Pro Bodybuilding in the early 80's?No that have earier. On November 29, 1919, to be exact. ;D
I am not sure. However, the 'gay pride movement' is a very wealthy and powerful lobby group.
It is easy to understand that the 'gay collective' would have a vested interest in a sport such as Pro Bodybuilding.
Anecdotally, it is easy is to draw a connection between Pro Bodybuilding and the Gay-pride-lobbyists.
Is 'gay money' really controlling Pro Bodybuilding in this modern era?
God knows, but i wouldn't be surprised!
Kai ran ads in the NYC bar rags in 1999 or so. There is no evidence that Rusty ever escorted.really?
Hank wood = one of the biggest attention whores / worthless turds in Getbig ;DThats not Alex23 :D
based on several threads and recent events...bay is hijacking this board. can't believe there are that many undercover bitches on getbig.
"It's only European if you want it to be."