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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: ben 1 on April 27, 2008, 10:05:20 PM
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The B&A International Classics July 27th Las Vegas Cashman Center Theater
The Show for the Athletes!!!! (No NPC puppies please,we know you do not like us)
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men)
wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
All 1st place winner win a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entry's we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
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Oh lord, Ben you are going to unleash the monster known as "Chic". Just wait till Manion calls him to have him start talking shit some more.
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and every NPC athlete who enters will be banned from NPC and IFBB....
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and every NPC athlete who enters will be banned from NPC and IFBB....
that is the word,rumor or whatever but no official letter,we would love to have a letter........
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what kind of car and does it have AC
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what kind of car and does it have AC
I promisse the AC,you will need it comes summer in Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that is the word,rumor or whatever but no official letter,we would love to have a letter........
They wont give a letter. They expect it to be assumed. Look what happened to Priest with PDI. WOULD be nice for them to allow people to do it and make a lil money, but i SERIOUSLY doubt it. They want NOBODY to challenge them....
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Maybe Chic can contact the IFBB (Manion) and get an official word for us. Being the IFBB athletes rep, im more than positive this can be done in a single quick phone call.
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They wont give a letter. They expect it to be assumed. Look what happened to Priest with PDI. WOULD be nice for them to allow people to do it and make a lil money, but i SERIOUSLY doubt it. They want NOBODY to challenge them....
Nothing is to be assumed, if it was the IFBB would not have posted the letter about it. Lee is a pro which is a whole different ballgame and can not be compared to the NPC. Since the NPC has not posted a letter then there seems to be no official word yet. Would have been just as easy to post another letter concerning the NPC.
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Were talking about two different matters. IFBB is a pro federation, NPC is an amateur.
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Were talking about two different matters. IFBB is a pro federation, NPC is an amateur.
so that means all amateurs (including the guy who wins his pro card at USA) is still open to compete in this show with no fear of penalty or being banned from the IFBB?
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so that means all amateurs (including the guy who wins his pro card at USA) is still open to compete in this show with no fear of penalty or being banned from the IFBB?
No...why would they be?
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No...why would they be?
Competing in a show that is NOT NPC or IFBB is against the rules is it not? I know PDI competitors were banned from the IFBB.
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Competing in a show that is NOT NPC or IFBB is against the rules is it not? I know PDI competitors were banned from the IFBB.
If you're a IFBB pro, you cannot compete in any non-sanctioned show.
If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
Not sure where the confusiuon is....
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If you're a IFBB pro, you cannot compete in any non-sanctioned show.
If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
Not sure where the confusiuon is....
lol ok.....so based on those rules.....
IFBB pro CANNOT compete in this show....due to it being a non sanctioned show.
NPC amateur cannot compete in this show due to it being for prize money.
OK.....so clearly this blackballs all NPC and IFBB competitors from entering, thanx for clearing that up
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Were talking about two different matters. IFBB is a pro federation, NPC is an amateur.
neither are sports federations. they're both privately held companies
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neither are sports federations. they're both privately held companies
Great...thanks for that info.
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If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
yet, people do it all the time. there is no evidence that anyone has lost their amateur status from the NPC in the last 10 years. it would be pretty difficult for the NPC to start doing it now.
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yet, people do it all the time. there is no evidence that anyone has lost their amateur status from the NPC in the last 10 years. it would be pretty difficult for the NPC to start doing it now.
Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc....
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Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc....
until someone provides evidence of this, then these are just idle threats. that the NPC has not made an official statement regarding entering the B&A contest, but instead uses surrogates in web forums only supports this.
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Even if the NPC has no power here (and I'm not sure what the deal is), bodybuilding is a subjective competitive event and therefore dissenting competitors can be punished in other unofficial ways via lower contest placings. That kind of thing happens a lot in the real world.
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Another way of doing it is just make it a modeling contest. The winner is the one with the best body. This way the NPC or IFBB can't say shit since it isn't a bodybuilding contest. They cannot prevent anyone from making a living. Ben just call it a Beautiful Body Contest. It would be just like having a bikini contest for a girl. The judging criteria will be muscles.
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If you noticed Ben covered his ass by saying "sponsorship money" If any one gets suspended or has to sit out then there would be a big lawsuit, as long as the winners took the money. Look at how many amateur athletes are sponsored already with no repercussions.
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another upstart federation WBF tried to shake things up in the early 90s
although the IFBB FORGAVE the World Bodybuilding Federation competitors they never FORGOT
their careers would never again gain steam
Eddie Robinson,Aaron Baker, Mike Quinn, David Dearth come to mind
I guess Tito Raymond will not be going for his pro-card via the NPC anytime soon
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If you're a IFBB pro, you cannot compete in any non-sanctioned show.
If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
Not sure where the confusiuon is....
NPC/IFBB Amateur Athletes compete for price money all the time check www.loadedcup.dk for example
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You won't find any Top NPC competitors because they are not stupid enough to throw away their goals of being an IFBB Pro for a "CHANCE" of winning a bike.
NPC athletes...you know the rules. Don't screw them up with this guy. Stay home and prepare for the USA and Nationals
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until someone provides evidence of this, then these are just idle threats. that the NPC has not made an official statement regarding entering the B&A contest, but instead uses surrogates in web forums only supports this.
Provides evidence to who? YOU?
Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.
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It has been pointed out ad nasuem that this has not held true.
If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
Not sure where the confusiuon is....
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You won't find any Top NPC competitors because they are not stupid enough to throw away their goals of being an IFBB Pro for a "CHANCE" of winning a bike.
NPC athletes...you know the rules. Don't screw them up with this guy. Stay home and prepare for the USA and Nationals
Goodrum, you are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to bodybuilding, you don't have the chance to win a contest ever (unless you find one with NO competitors in your class). If you really want to ruin this show, you should enter. That would immediately make it a joke. But there are a few problems for you. You are NOT a bodybuilder, you do not have the money to enter, fly here, get a hotel. And lastly you wouldn't be allowed to enter. Hey maybe you can convince Uncle Bill's Fleamarket to put on a BB contest. Looking at that event it looks like you will be the only person there. So you could have your first win. Go for it Vince.
ask aaron baker.
maybe steve W will show up and yell at people like he did at the PDI show awhile ago. Great representative...good job.
Weinberger doesn't have the balls to show up.
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its pretty pompous/stupid to think anyone would beleive a lackey of Manion's who can't rebuke Tim's facts with his own (probably because they do not exist).
Provides evidence to who? YOU?
Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.
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If you're a IFBB pro, you cannot compete in any non-sanctioned show.
If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
Not sure where the confusiuon is....
Well if this was the case then the NPC is run by a bunch of blind idiots (but we all know that already) cause then there would be not many NPC guys in Hawaii. Honestly Chic, sometimes you just open your mouth prematurely.
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Well if this was the case then the NPC is run by a bunch of blind idiots (but we all know that already) cause then there would be not many NPC guys in Hawaii. Honestly Chic, sometimes you just open your mouth prematurely.
Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?
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Goodrum, you are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to bodybuilding, you don't have the chance to win a contest ever (unless you find one with NO competitors in your class). If you really want to ruin this show, you should enter. That would immediately make it a joke. But there are a few problems for you. You are NOT a bodybuilder, you do not have the money to enter, fly here, get a hotel. And lastly you wouldn't be allowed to enter. Hey maybe you can convince Uncle Bill's Fleamarket to put on a BB contest. Looking at that event it looks like you will be the only person there. So you could have your first win. Go for it Vince.
Weinberger doesn't have the balls to show up.
I would never lower myself to compete in a NON-SANCTIONED EVENT. I may not be a top ranked NPC competitor but if I wish to move up, then I'm certainly not going to screw that up with this winner loses all event.
BTW, at least I CAN FIT ON AN AIRPLANE. You couldn't get there without going by cargo ship and then a Super Huey
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Bob wrote : "Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc...."
Definitely true! I know for a fact that it happens. I've been involved. And I definitely agree Bob, it's none of our business unless you request that info from the NPC National Office. Not sure not that they'll release that info though. Privacy issues maybe.
And just because some of us are not privy to that info, does not mean it never happened.
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Bob wrote : "Not going to rehash this again...it does not "happen all the time"...and plenty have been suspended and had to sit out a year, write a letter to get back in, etc...."
Definitely true! I know for a fact that it happens. I've been involved. And I definitely agree Bob, it's none of our business unless you request that info from the NPC National Office. Not sure not that they'll release that info though. Privacy issues maybe.
And just because some of us are not privy to that info, does not mean it never happened.
apparently, if Tim doesn't know it, it never happened.
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Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?
as was pointed out in the other thread, there was an NPC contest in Hawaii that offered prizes.
Provides evidence to who? YOU?
to the competitors being threatened.
You guys like to use the 'protect the privacy of the athlete' argument a lot. that allows you to claim you're doing things when you're really not. what other sport doesn't make public which athletes have been suspended?
Like with Team Universe. if you don't lose your placing in the official results for failing the drug test, does it really qualify as a drug tested contest?
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as was pointed out in the other thread, there was an NPC contest in Hawaii that offered prizes.
to the competitors being threatened.
They can get answers to any questions thy might have via their district Chairmen, other than that, they can certainly contact the NPC office....I don't remember you being a part of either of those two, perhaps I'm mistaken....
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Provides evidence to who? YOU?
Just because YOU'RE not privvy to such info doesn't mean it doesn't exsist..pretty pompous of you to think otherwise.
if evidence exists why not just provide it? why all hush hush about it?
seems odd to me.
see a fire, put it out....don't throw gas on it.
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if evidence exists why not just provide it? why all hush hush about it?
seems odd to me.
see a fire, put it out....don't throw gas on it.
Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.
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Hawaii? What the hell does Hawaii have to do with anything?
Cause just about every NPC competitor in Hawaii competed in the Harley Classic back in the 90's. The winner got a custom Harley and then sold it for $18,000 I think. He was an NPC member and even entered NPC contests after that as did everyone else.
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Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.
so it's not your place to comment for them but you'll come on here and argue with people about things that pertain to it?
chic.....you've done a good job promoting yourself and I think your a good rep for BB but sometimes I just shake my head at your logic.
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Nobody is "hush" about it....If any of the athletes themselves wish to come forward and tell their tale, all the power to them. I'm sure the NPC odffice wil issue an official statement in due time....not my place or job.
my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!
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... sounds to good to be true
I'm with you.
To hell with this ridiculous bullshit debate over who's been suspended or who might be suspended, blah blah blah...
The only thing that matters is THE MONEY.
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my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!
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Ohhh boy.... i like this one haha. Hope this is resolved soon....you might have a stacked national level competitor show! haha
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I'm with you.
To hell with this ridiculous bullshit debate over who's been suspended or who might be suspended, blah blah blah...
The only thing that matters is THE MONEY.
Thank you Tre,
now we are talking!!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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my Attorneys can not wait for that letter,please send it out!!!!
Well you just used a word "attorney" the IFBB or NPC does not ever want to see. They have the worst legal representation you cold possibly have. Have you seen the contracts they use. They would never be able to hold up in court. I have a feeling they both use Goodrums Pre-Paid Legal services. Ben your attorney would have a field day on those morons they have. The last thing the IFBB or NPC wants to do is end up in court.
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scare tactics are great, because they can be based on BS and know one is the wiser, right chick?
Are you unable to address the facts, Chick?
just in case you missed it.
its pretty pompous/stupid to think anyone would beleive a lackey of Manion's who can't rebuke Tim's facts with his own (probably because they do not exist).
They can get answers to any questions thy might have via their district Chairmen, other than that, they can certainly contact the NPC office....I don't remember you being a part of either of those two, perhaps I'm mistaken....
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Here are some FACTS based on actual experience. No hear-say! No scuttlebutt! No water fountain rumors! No bull-shit!
The athletes who competed for "cash" awards in Hawaii many years ago were in fact banned from NPC membership for an undisclosed period of time, but only in those cases in which complaints were made by other NPC athletes.
Some unknown NPC athletes who were not a major threat to "complaining athletes" may possibly have slipped under or over the "guarded gate", but the NPC does not actively patrol in any effort to ban any athlete for any reason unless a complaint is made by fellow athletes.
Second thought ..... No one wants a legal battle because in most cases, the only one who really wins are the participating attorneys.
In my own humble opinion, it might be best for the NPC to simply ignore competition from other bodybuilding organizations and continue to march with the present definition of the word "amateur" within their own affiliation without too much concern on how that term is used by others. Just don't recognize those athletes as "professional bodybuilders". Hell, you don't want to anyway.
Simply allow those athletes who have competed in outside organizations for "cash" awards" to continue to compete within the NPC with the understanding that they are no longer qualified to be considered for, nor to accept, an IFBB Pro Card regardless of how they place in an NPC qualifier.
This last statement is something to think about and could possibly be of benefit for all concerned. It might make more sense if you are familiar with the history of the NPC since its birth and a few years prior to that "blessed"event.
You guys would be in a MAJOR turmoil if we were still affiliated with the AAU.
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Simply allow those athletes who have competed in outside organizations for "cash" awards" to continue to compete within the NPC with the understanding that they are no longer qualified to be considered for, nor to accept, an IFBB Pro Card regardless of how they place in an NPC qualifier.
so therefore, Stan McQuay should lose his pro status? Shiloe Steinmetz should not be given a pro card if he wins TU? Same with Dave Goodin and Dietrich Horsey? Should all these pros now competing in TU be allowed to go on to the IFBB Worlds?
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As far as I know, the NPC *is* officially ignoring this event.
Aside from a few wannabe watchdogs, is anyone else paying attention at all??
Good grief.
Let's talk about sex!
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Tim, you're a smart man! Why not think up intelligent solutions without compounding the problems?
I can't respond to your question because I am not familiar with the facts and circumstances regarding any of those guys.
I simply state that the rules and regulations should be adhered to when and if any infractions are officially presented to the governing body.
"Officially" in my viewpoint means that a complaint must be lodged under a legal signature - signed, sealed, and delivered.
Trey, apparently someone is paying attention to this subject matter - 3 pages, 53 replies, 697 views and interesting responses from both sides of the equation.
But I bet if you do start a SEX topic, those numbers would be lots higher and more interesting, but I think most of us are pretty knowledgeable about the pros and the amateurs within the sexual context and don't have to seek legal consul to clarify that issue .
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Why doesn't Bob chick who claims to "care for the athletes" come up with some solutions..instead of being manion's little bitch
and frowning on anyone who doesn't kiss the NPC/IFBBs ass?
Tim, you're a smart man! Why not think up intelligent solutions without compounding the problems?
I can't respond to your question because I am not familiar with the facts and circumstances regarding any of those guys.
I simply state that the rules and regulations should be adhered to when and if any infractions are officially presented to the governing body.
"Officially" in my viewpoint means that a complaint must be lodged under a legal signature - signed, sealed, and delivered.
Trey, apparently someone is paying attention to this subject matter - 3 pages, 53 replies, 697 views and interesting responses from both sides of the equation.
But I bet if you do start a SEX topic, those numbers would be lots higher and more interesting, but I think most of us are pretty knowledgeable about the pros and the amateurs within the sexual context and don't have to seek legal consul to clarify that issue .
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so it's not your place to comment for them but you'll come on here and argue with people about things that pertain to it?
chic.....you've done a good job promoting yourself and I think your a good rep for BB but sometimes I just shake my head at your logic.
Not my place to name specifics, or names....I don't have to comment FOR them, they can do that themselves... as is their right to do so.
No need to shake your head....
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Tim, you're a smart man! Why not think up intelligent solutions without compounding the problems?
the solution is simple: stop making idle threats. there would be no problem if the people not officially speaking for the NPC would realize that many top tier bodybuilders have competed in pro contests in other leagues while also competing in the NPC without repercussion, which makes it pretty difficult to defend in a court of law any sanctions they would decide to impose on anyone entering this contest.
and when will the people in the NPC learn that Public Displays of Bullying on the internet always backfires ? B&A couldn't buy this kind of publicity.
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the solution is simple: stop making idle threats. there would be no problem if the people not officially speaking for the NPC would realize that many top tier bodybuilders have competed in pro contests in other leagues while also competing in the NPC without repercussion, which makes it pretty difficult to defend in a court of law any sanctions they would decide to impose on anyone entering this contest.
and when will the people in the NPC learn that Public Displays of Bullying on the internet always backfires ? B&A couldn't buy this kind of publicity.
The solution is...stop talking like you know what is going on, or you are some authority on the subject...you're not.
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The solution is...stop talking like you know what is going on, or you are some authority on the subject...you're not.
See what happens when someone gets Blue Stars?
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See what happens when someone gets Blue Stars?
;)
No shit.....once the beginner gets a little bit of success it goes to their head... ;D
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The solution is...stop talking like you know what is going on, or you are some authority on the subject...you're not.
all I've done is provide evidence that no one has been able to disprove: many people have competed in pro contests and as an amateurs in the NPC at the same time without repercussion. all you or anyone else has to do is provide evidence that one person has been suspended, disqualified, or otherwise not allowed to compete in the NPC because of their amateur status in say the last 10 years.
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Tim, Would I ever lie to you?
Believe me, Tim, there have been some I personally know of and I believe that there are many more who I've never heard about.
Do you really believe that no remedial action has ever been taken in those cases where complaints have been made to the NPC office for such activities or are you simply attempting to keep the kettle boiling??
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Bill (stunt) and I have both attested to the fact that it has happened in the past....guess your word is beter than ours, right?
Of course, you would know these facts as you are copied and consulted on these matters in your position in the company, right?
Perhaps you could shed some light to those interested by stating what official position you hold to have access to this info....
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Do you really believe that no remedial action has ever been taken in those cases where complaints have been made to the NPC office for such activities or are you simply attempting to keep the kettle boiling??
I believe the NPC enforces rules only when it suits them.
I believe the terms professional and amateur have lost all meaning. How can you be considered an amateur when you have an endorsement contract?
I believe that the NPC had ample opportunity to sanction Stan McQuay, Dave Goodin, Shiloe Steinmetz, Dietrich Horsey, and dozens of others (http://musclememory.com/proAm.php), but chose not to do so. Therefore doing so now for athletes in the B&A contest would not stand up in a court of law.
I believe that the NPC knows this and would quickly back down if called on their bluff.
And I believe that it is important for athletes to know this.
And just for fun...I believe no one has ever lost their placing at Team Universe for failing a drug test.
And finally, I believe that Chick abuses his moderator privileges by deleting posts he doesn't like.
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Tim...how about Skip Locoeur?
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Bill (stunt) and I have both attested to the fact that it has happened in the past....guess your word is beter than ours, right?
all I have are contest sheets showing athlete after athlete competing in the NPC while also competing for prize money in other organizations.
all you have is "people have been sanctioned, but we can't tell you who or when"
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Tim...how about Skip Locoeur?
Skip LaCour (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=LaCour,+Skip) competed in Musclemania in 1994, but never as a pro. I have no info on him competing in any pro contests.
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No...Team Universe...did he not get dq'd once?
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I've never seen official results that differ from the results posted immediately after the contest.
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If you're a NPC amateur, you cannot compete for prize monies, etc.
NPC, bring every year, amateur that cannot compete for prize money, in Amateur Arnold Classics, IFBB World Championships etc to compete with amateurs that compete in their country for prize money
out of the USA there are dozens of contest like Las Vegas Classics open to IFBB amateur and with prize money
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The solution is... stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Manion is probably shaking his head at your pathetic performance.
The solution is...stop talking like you know what is going on, or you are some authority on the subject...you're not.
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I'll ask you again, Tim...in what official position are you that you are privy to every action taken on athletes?
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nice stategy Chick.
Manion would approve.
the scare tactic failed miserably, Tim owned you with the simple facts.
now try and attack his credibility.but the only problem is that you're a puppet with a vested interest. i.e. you lack credibility.
I'll ask you again, Tim...in what official position are you that you are privy to every action taken on athletes?
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I'll ask you again, Tim...in what official position are you that you are privy to every action taken on athletes?
that's like saying the press shouldn't write about the Bush administration because the administration is keeping secrets from the press, and how can you write a fair article unless you know all the secrets?
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that's like saying the press shouldn't write about the Bush administration because the administration is keeping secrets from the press, and how can you write a fair article unless you know all the secrets?
I take it you refuse to answer the question?
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I take it you refuse to answer the question?
I've answered it. I don't need to be privy to the secret workings of the NPC. It is not up to me to know what actions have been taken. I've provided evidence that many athletes have competed without repercussion. It is up to who ever is making the counter argument to provide evidence that athletes have. The only thing you have said is "trust us, they have. but we can't tell you who or when."
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Official Position in the IFBB is only a gift to those who know how to do as they are told and not question any actions by the IFBB or any of it's OFFICIALS.I think that old Retired Pro you mentioned Milos learnt that one.Money makes the world go round and the IFBB love MONEY.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
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I must have missed it....what did you say your official capacity was? your title? Are you part of the NPC or the IFBB? Are you a district chairman? Can you supply the copy of the action taken?
Amuse me and answer it again.....so there is no doubt.
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I find it more amusing how you got your position Chick.Nobody wanted it.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Anytime now, Tim......
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Chick, you know it is a rhetorical question. Asking a rhetorical question over and over again doesn't gain you any debate points.
Everyone knows that I have no relationship with the NPC. I'm an outsider. That is not a bad thing. I have never claimed to have insider knowledge. I don't need insider knowledge. I don't want insider knowledge. My arguments are not based on insider knowledge. And most importantly, having insider knowledge is meaningless if you're not willing to use it to support your argument.
"Trust me, I have insider knowledge, but I can't tell you about it." is not a compelling argument, especially when used to tow the company line.
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CHICK
Why cant we avoid all this squabble and kiddie sht and just get down to business and stop with the insinuations and mixed messages and hidden meanings. Say it LOUD AND CLEAR. What is the official stance on this? Are amateurs going to be allowed to compete or not, without penalty of expulsion?
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Chick, you know it is a rhetorical question. Asking a rhetorical question over and over again doesn't gain you any debate points.
Everyone knows that I have no relationship with the NPC. I'm an outsider. That is not a bad thing. I have never claimed to have insider knowledge. I don't need insider knowledge. I don't want insider knowledge. My arguments are not based on insider knowledge. And most importantly, having insider knowledge is meaningless if you're not willing to use it to support your argument.
"Trust me, I have insider knowledge, but I can't tell you about it." is not a compelling argument, especially when used to tow the company line.
So your argument is based soley on your limited knowledge, no inside info, and being a self admitted outsider.....sounds credible to me.
stick to your website and updating files...
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CHICK
Why cant we avoid all this squabble and kiddie sht and just get down to business and stop with the insinuations and mixed messages and hidden meanings. Say it LOUD AND CLEAR. What is the official stance on this? Are amateurs going to be allowed to compete or not, without penalty of expulsion?
I've already stated MY opinion on the matter...loud and clear. I have no official capacity in the NPC, so I won't speak for them.
If you're a NPC athlete and wish to continue competing as an amateur..I would highly suggest not competing for prize monies offered in ANY non-NPC sanctioned competition...
for all others....go for it...I think it's great.
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You say you think it's Great so what about IFBB Pros and if they compete????.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.Not so great then hey Bob.
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You say you think it's Great so what about IFBB Pros and if they compete????.Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.Not so great then hey Bob.
Why would a pro compete in a show they advertise as amateur?
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hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM .Because of the MONEY.????
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wouldn't it be a hoot if the NPC USAs had to be postponed a week or two (for reasons beyond anyone's control)
leaving the B&A as a stand alone event -
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hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM .Because of the MONEY.????
You mean like the PDI guys?
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Thanks for the Break that was nice. ;D
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Is Lee Preist really guest posing at this B A event?
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Is Lee Preist really guest posing at this B A event?
No, he's not...
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Is Lee Preist really guest posing at this B A event?
No.!!!
I talked to Lee at the IronMan and he is a really nice guy,we never talked about any kind of Guest posing.However I offered him a booth for free but since the letter for Pro's got out,that they are not allowed to even have a booth at our show without being punished,we just let it go.Lee is a great guy!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Ben1 do you think Chick gets paid to be here Burning this show?.Why the Fuk would he be so damning for nothing?He has a very select memory when it comes to some things ESP Drugs in BB.
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No.!!!
I talked to Lee at the IronMan and he is a really nice guy,we never talked about any kind of Guest posing.However I offered him a booth for free but since the letter for Pro's got out,that they are not allowed to even have a booth at our show without being punished,we just let it go.Lee is a great guy!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
thats cool...I wouldn't put it past Lee just to show up anyway...
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I'm not "damning " his show...believe me...Ben will do just fine without a single NPC athlete entering. There are plenty of BBers to go around.
I've said from the start, i think it's an awesome thing for athletes that can do the show...all the luck to Ben.
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Will you be there Bob or do they have someone else taking names of all those who compete.????.
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Will you be there Bob or do they have someone else taking names of all those who compete.????.
I'll be at the Roulette table, bro...recovering from the USA weekend.
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Ben1 do you think Chick gets paid to be here Burning this show?.Why the Fuk would he be so damning for nothing?He has a very select memory when it comes to some things ESP Drugs in BB.
I think Bob is in a difficult situation,he might like the idea of our show because you can say what you want,I think he is a Bodybuilder at heart but he also gets paid by the IFBB.
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23 Red. ;D
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23 Red. ;D
HAHA...Thats my wife's number!
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I think Bob is in a difficult situation,he might like the idea of our show because you can say what you want,I think he is a Bodybuilder at heart but he also gets paid by the IFBB.
Not at all, Ben...I can support both. I hope you get 100 contestants....just none from the NPC...! ;D
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Will you be there Bob or do they have someone else taking names of all those who compete.????.
I promisse no one will have a chance to write names down,it is covered!
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If you're a NPC athlete and wish to continue competing as an amateur..I would highly suggest not competing for prize monies offered in ANY non-NPC sanctioned competition...
I agree.
The other problem, and many of you may not like it, is that the NPC USA is the largest bodybuilding show in the Western United States, and you chose to put your show on the same weekend, in the same area. Come on now. And offer prize money to amatuers, trying to take some of the luster away. Jon Lindsay, the promoter of the show, is a friend, and has been for a long time.
This will be my 12th NPC USA show that I am attending. Thus, choosing not to cover nor promote your show, unfortunately, is too bad. It seems that you chose the exact same weekend to take some athletes, otherwise, any other weekend seemed ok.
I wish you well with your show, but it does seem suspicious to me.
Will you be there Bob or do they have someone else taking names of all those who compete
That was funny. Some of us will be shooting video and pictures on Sunday, after lots of pictures from the NPC USA!
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HAHA...Thats my wife's number!
Your wife's a Michael Jordan fan then...Or Labron James...
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Your wife's a Michael Jordan fan then...Or Labron James...
ehhhhhh....no. She was born on Jan 23rd
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I agree.
The other problem, and many of you may not like it, is that the NPC USA is the largest bodybuilding show in the Western United States, and you chose to put your show on the same weekend, in the same area. Come on now. And offer prize money to amatuers, trying to take some of the luster away. Jon Lindsay, the promoter of the show, is a friend, and has been for a long time.
This will be my 12th NPC USA show that I am attending. Thus, choosing not to cover nor promote your show, unfortunately, is too bad. It seems that you chose the exact same weekend to take some athletes, otherwise, any other weekend seemed ok.
I wish you well with your show, but it does seem suspicious to me.
That was funny. Some of us will be shooting video and pictures on Sunday, after lots of pictures from the NPC USA!
In the beginning everything was different and that was the reason we choose the Sunday after the USA,since all Athletes were in town anyway,the NPC flipped in January on us,from September till January everything was fine according to the NPC.
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In the beginning everything was different and that was the reason we choose the Sunday after the USA,since all Athletes were in town anyway,the NPC flipped in January on us,from September till January everything was fine according to the NPC.
I don't want to rehash this again Ben...but It was never OK with the NPC....whoever you were talking to was in no position to make any statements on behalf of the NPC, or Manion....basically, they were blowing smoke, or trying to make thmselves out to be something they weren't.
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Who the Fuk do the IFBB think they are telling a Promoter from another BB group when they can put on a show.FFS.
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It seems that you chose the exact same weekend to take some athletes, otherwise, any other weekend seemed ok.
why is this a problem? No athlete will drop out of the USAs to enter the B&A. No fan who was going to go to Vegas to see the NPC will now go all the way to Vegas to see the B&A instead. Just the opposite is more likely. Someone who was not planning on attending might now go to catch both shows.
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Who the Fuk do the IFBB think they are telling a Promoter from another BB group when they can put on a show.FFS.
They cant. But then, why be surprised when many of us are not happy when someone puts on a show trying to take away from the NPC USA, a show that had 400 competitors last year, one of my favorite show, in Las Vegas for the last 10+ years (I think). As a promoter, would you be ok with that?
This is the NPC premier bodybuilding show. Simple as that.
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So the NPC USA show is on the same time every year???If so I agree but if they the IFBB have changed the date of that show then I know who is doing what.
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I don't want to rehash this again Ben...but It was never OK with the NPC....whoever you were talking to was in no position to make any statements on behalf of the NPC, or Manion....basically, they were blowing smoke, or trying to make thmselves out to be something they weren't.
Who cares what the NPC says is okay. They think they own the way everybody should live in the BB industry. The problem is the people who do make some sort of living from BB are such a select few and it is because they have nothing else to fall back on. Why would anyone allow to be treated and told how to live their lives. I just don't get it. I would just hate to have to answer to an organization and do everything they tell me to do and not even get paid by them. I mean f the IFBB was paying these guys it would be different. But, the IFBB does not pay these guys and these guys still are like little puppies doing exactly what they are told. Sorry I have way to much self pride and integrity.
They cant. But then, why be surprised when many of us are not happy when someone puts on a show trying to take away from the NPC USA, a show that had 400 competitors last year, one of my favorite show, in Las Vegas for the last 10+ years (I think). As a promoter, would you be ok with that?
This is the NPC premier bodybuilding show. Simple as that.
Ron what drug are you taking. You are sounding like Chic by typing before you think. How is Ben putting on a show the day after the NPC show taking away from the NPC USA. Please explain that brilliant statement. Do you think guys who were going to do the USA's on Saturday are now not going to do them so they can compete on Sunday. How is that logical. Why not compete on Saturday and then on Sunday. It is 24 hours after. Please explain this Goodrumism you came up with
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why is this a problem? No athlete will drop out of the USAs to enter the B&A. No fan who was going to go to Vegas to see the NPC will now go all the way to Vegas to see the B&A instead. Just the opposite is more likely. Someone who was not planning on attending might now go to catch both shows.
Great! No problem at all. Just B&A is trying to ride on the NPC USA. Not cool. Exactly.
Look, it doesnt matter what it is - or what event it is. If you have one event going on, and another event tries to mimic what you have, it isnt cool, especially the same weekend in the same city. Do it on another weekend. Hey, if you had your Tim Day at the Beverly Hills Park, put a lot of time into it, and then someone put another Tim Part 2 Day at the Beverly Hills South Park, I guess that is fine?
Do you think guys who were going to do the USA's on Saturday are now not going to do them so they can compete on Sunday. How is that logical. Why not compete on Saturday and then on Sunday. It is 24 hours after. Please explain this Goodrumism you came up with
Same as if you had a show on a weekend in Hawaii, and then someone else put a similar show on the same weekend in the same town you did, it wouldnt be cool. I would of supported you in the same way. And it isnt 24 hours, it is less than 10 hours.
So the NPC USA show is on the same time every year??? If so I agree but if they the IFBB have changed the date of that show then I know who is doing what.
IFBB? This is a NPC show, a National show where people turn pro. Last year, it was July 27-28. In 2006, it was July 28-29. In 2005, it was July 29-30. This year, it is July 25-26. Same weekend, was the last weekend in July. Show date is posted years in advance. No change.
And guess what, the 2009 NPC USA will be on July 24-25. in Las Vegas again. Same place, same last weekend.
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is the NPC a federation of athletes, or a federation of contest promoters?
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is the NPC a federation of athletes, or a federation of contest promoters?
Sarcastic question. NPC is for athletes, and promoters set up most of the contests, in the United States. If you wish to promote a show, please ask the local chairperson and get involved. There is a lot involved. Tim, come to a local show - there is the NPC California coming up, or on June 21st, the NPC Junior California, promoted by Lonnie Teper.
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Great! No problem at all. Just B&A is trying to ride on the NPC USA. Not cool. Exactly.
Look, it doesnt matter what it is - or what event it is. If you have one event going on, and another event tries to mimic what you have, it isnt cool, especially the same weekend in the same city. Do it on another weekend. Hey, if you had your Tim Day at the Beverly Hills Park, put a lot of time into it, and then someone put another Tim Part 2 Day at the Beverly Hills South Park, I guess that is fine?
Same as if you had a show on a weekend in Hawaii, and then someone else put a similar show on the same weekend in the same town you did, it wouldnt be cool. I would of supported you in the same way. And it isnt 24 hours, it is less than 10 hours.
Well as a businessman it is a great decision. His show is going to cost more than what Jon is spending on the USA's. WHy invest that kind of money the first time out and try to depend on bringing competitors in. It is a great decision on Ben's part. Do your first show when there are already a bunch of competitors in town. I don't see why the NPC cares so much. Are they insecure, are they scared. Why? If anything Ben's show may be bringing in more competitors to the USA. Didn't someone say this year has more competitors than ever before. It that a coincidence. Maybe guys are seeing the chance to enter two contests back to back. I personally think that Ben's show is not affecting the USA show negatively at all. I mean if if he really wanted to cause some shit, he would have put it on the same day don't you think. Ben obviously has the sponsors and the money to pull this off so if he really wanted to be an asshole he would have put it on the same day. The NPC should STFU and just do there thing and let others do theirs.
If the NPC and Manion had any kind of integrity they would have immediately told Bob not to say one thing on here about Ben's show. But instead Chic has given Ben's show quite a bit of free publicity on here. Whether good or bad more people know about his show than if Chic just didn't say a thing. And Ron is your company sponsoring Ben's show. If not why. It is a bodybuilding show. Or is it that you can't.
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Tim, come to a local show - there is the NPC California coming up,
I haven't been to a so Cal NPC show in a few years. Ticket prices got to be too expensive, and they kept harassing me about my camera.
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Then come to Lonnie Teper's NPC Junior California in Pasadena on June 21st, or to the NPC California show. As long as you dont bring a professional camera, it should be a problem. Bring your little camera. I think the cost is $25 or so. It isnt that much at all.
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I wonder if McDonalds thinks its "uncool" when burger king opens up a business right next store to them...Or do they just accept it and try to make there product better and stand out more :-\
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I wonder if McDonalds thinks its "uncool" when burger king opens up a business right next store to them...Or do they just accept it and try to make there product better and stand out more :-\
;D
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I wonder if McDonalds thinks its "uncool" when burger king opens up a business right next store to them...Or do they just accept it and try to make there product better and stand out more :-\
Actually, when that happens Ronald McDonald calls his underlings on GetFat.com and tells them to post unsavory things about BK in the hopes that alerting everyone on an international message board will affect discourage local business.
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Bring your little camera.
they're harassing people with $600 10 megapixel SLRs, hardly professional by today's standards.
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Or maybe this happens
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His show is going to cost more than what Jon is spending on the USA's. WHy invest that kind of money the first time out and try to depend on bringing competitors in.
Which is exactly why you won't see this show around again. When your brother from anotha mutha, Shawn Ray, was giving away a H3 and going big with his show catering to the athletes you were all over him telling him how stupid he was. Now you're hugging this Ben's nuts like there is no tomorrow. You love to try and play both sides of the fence only trouble is you get caught trying to go back and forth.
Keith, at the Olympia a couple years ago you had a banner that said you're "a proud supporter of the NPC and IFBB". Since you have a gym opening up in Vegas and you care about the athletes will you be sponsoring both of these shows?
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Awesome proxy battles going on here! It's like PDI II.
I'd prefer to let 2 organizations put on their own show, wihout a single word, and let the athletes and fans decide. IMO, going online to create a dialogue to scare competitors only further legitimizes the new entrant into the realm. If McD put out 10,000 commercials about how the new "Happy Hamburger" chain sucks, people would say "Wow, maybe I should check out HH if McD is so concerned with them".
Hilarious dialogue though... some serious ass-kissing going on, and some serious proxy fighting.
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Awesome proxy battles going on here! It's like PDI II.
I'd prefer to let 2 organizations put on their own show, wihout a single word, and let the athletes and fans decide. IMO, going online to create a dialogue to scare competitors only further legitimizes the new entrant into the realm. If McD put out 10,000 commercials about how the new "Happy Hamburger" chain sucks, people would say "Wow, maybe I should check out HH if McD is so concerned with them".
Hilarious dialogue though... some serious ass-kissing going on, and some serious proxy fighting.
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They cant. But then, why be surprised when many of us are not happy when someone puts on a show trying to take away from the NPC USA, a show that had 400 competitors last year, one of my favorite show, in Las Vegas for the last 10+ years (I think). As a promoter, would you be ok with that?
This is the NPC premier bodybuilding show. Simple as that.
Nobody tries to take away anything,if so it would be the same day and not 1 day later!
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I wonder if McDonalds thinks its "uncool" when burger king opens up a business right next store to them...Or do they just accept it and try to make there product better and stand out more :-\
hahaha now that is a great comparison. People or companies who are afraid of competition do what the IFBB and NPC does. Can you imagine if every company acts like they do. Imagine even TV God forbid a show goes up against another one to compete for the #1 spot.
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Which is exactly why you won't see this show around again. When your brother from anotha mutha, Shawn Ray, was giving away a H3 and going big with his show catering to the athletes you were all over him telling him how stupid he was. Now you're hugging this Ben's nuts like there is no tomorrow. You love to try and play both sides of the fence only trouble is you get caught trying to go back and forth.
Keith, at the Olympia a couple years ago you had a banner that said you're "a proud supporter of the NPC and IFBB". Since you have a gym opening up in Vegas and you care about the athletes will you be sponsoring both of these shows?
The difference is Ben is spending a lot of his own money. Sean was spending other peoples money. Sean bullshit his way into the sponsors pockets and when what he promised didn't happen and money was lost the sponsors pulled out. Ben is funding a lot of the show himself and knows from the onset what it takes and the possible perils. And again you are mistaking nuthugging (like you have to do with the IFBB) and supporting. Two different things. And I understand where you could get them confused. You make a living and depend on the IFBB and BB shows so you have to be a guy. I don't have to nuthug anyone cause I make my own decisions. I have to listen to anyone but ME. Big difference.
And I will support both shows next year. I have no problem with that. I will probably sponsor Ben's in a bigger way though if he has it next year simply because he is providing a contest that will expand BB and make it fun for everyone. No politics, no assholes just a show for bodybuilding and the fans.
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This thread so far:
1) Chick advises NPC competitors "don't do Ben's show, you will get banned!!"
2) Chick also claims he is not acting on the behalf of the NPC
3) Tim provides a lenthy list of competitors that contradicts Chicks claim
4) Confounded, Chick states the competitors listed aren't top 10 nationals levels competitors (depite Stan McQuay being one of them)
5) When asked for evidence of people being banned from the NPC for competing elsewher, Chick refuses to provide any claiming that he it isn't his place. Yet it is somehow his place to try and scare competitors from Bens show?
6) Further confounded at being owned again, Chick deflects his silence by imagining that Tim claimed to be an "NPC official" and asks him repeatedly to identify his role in the NPC.
7) chick is confused as to what his motivations for posting on the thread are... He wishes Ben well, yet tells people to not compete?
So your argument is based soley on your limited knowledge, no inside info, and being a self admitted outsider.....sounds credible to me.
stick to your website and updating files...
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I will probably sponsor Ben's in a bigger way though if he has it next year simply because he is providing a contest that will expand BB and make it fun for everyone. No politics, no assholes just a show for bodybuilding and the fans.
you have said the truth
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This thread so far:
1) Chick advises NPC competitors "don't do Ben's show, you will get banned!!"
2) Chick also claims he is not acting on the behalf of the NPC
3) Tim provides a lenthy list of competitors that contradicts Chicks claim
4) Confounded, Chick states the competitors listed aren't top 10 nationals levels competitors (depite Stan McQuay being one of them)
5) When asked for evidence of people being banned from the NPC for competing elsewher, Chick refuses to provide any claiming that he it isn't his place. Yet it is somehow his place to try and scare competitors from Bens show?
6) Further confounded at being owned again, Chick deflects his silence by imagining that Tim claimed to be an "NPC official" and asks him repeatedly to identify his role in the NPC.
7) chick is confused as to what his motivations for posting on the thread are... He wishes Ben well, yet tells people to not compete?
1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.
7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.
Amazing how off you can be, and your skewed perception of the facts....
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1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.
No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....
Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.
Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest.
7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.
Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.
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1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.
No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....
Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.
Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest. 7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.
Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.
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1) correct
2) correct again...I have no official capacity in the NPC
3) correct
4) incorrect. The point was made that none of the gentlemen listed (McQuay wasn't one of them) ended up placing in the top 10-15 of the national shows, thus, they certainly could have slipped in unnoticed as there is no "police squad" that goes around logging names.
No your point was that somehow the names didn’t matter due to some sort of criteria that exists only in Bob Chic’s head. I haven’t seen this criteria you speak of in any rulebook.
5) incorrect again. Informing NPC atheltes with the facts is not trying to "scare" anyone. I know of many athletes that have been suspended, written letters, etc. and no, it's not my place to disclose that info. "Stuntmovie" verified the same thing, and has no horse in this race.....
Your so-called facts have turned out to be nothing more than Bob’s story without proof. You have nothing to refute the names Tim mentioned, other than some asinine logic (surprise). Your presence on this thread is not for sake of benevolence, but a scare tactic by Manion’s little boy. For all I know “Stuntmovie” is another stooge just like you.
6) incorrect again. I never said Tim claimed to be anything, least of all an official. I asked him in what capacity (official or otherwise) he was in that he would be privvy to any info on what action has taken place on any athlte he named....he answered it (eventually) that he is in no official capacity, and has no vested knowledge of what he's claiming...just his opinion.
Tim never claimed to be an official, yet you somehow thought he had to be one to have knowledge of athletes contest records? More brilliant reasoning by one the IFBBs finest. 7) incorrect again...I've never wished Ben anything but the best, and encourage all athletes wishing to compete to do so. My interests lie in educating the NPC members who may have been exposed to the incorrect information put out there initially....my stance has been the same since the first mention of this show.
Your true intentions are that to put down any entity that is perceived a threat to the NPC. Hence your scare stories without evidence. Wishing Ben well is not only another little lie (gee, they add up don’t they Chick) it’s a slap in the face.
Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.
Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....
I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...
Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.
Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.
"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....
I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....
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Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.?????.
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Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.?????.
This isn't a IFBB matter, genius
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Didn't know you were the NPC Rep.FFS NPC= IFBB = Jobs for life.
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Fuk the IFBB must pay you well Bob to be here always flying the anti Drug flag the anti other shows flag.Will you have the same commitment when someone else takes over the Pro Reps job???Or is that job like all IFBB appointments FOR FUKIN LIFE.?????.
From what he said he doesn't get paid (in money), he doesn't even have an ifbb.com email address. And yes he has been appointed for life or until Manion is gone, but since he appointed himself for life then Bob has a secured job (that pays no money) but has other benefits. I wonder why the NPC or IFBB doesn't have an election every 4 years or something or do they. Probably kind of like that election where Chic won the coveted position of IFBB rep
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From what he said he doesn't get paid (in money), he doesn't even have an ifbb.com email address. And yes he has been appointed for life or until Manion is gone, but since he appointed himself for life then Bob has a secured job (that pays no money) but has other benefits. I wonder why the NPC or IFBB doesn't have an election every 4 years or something or do they. Probably kind of like that election where Chic won the coveted position of IFBB rep
I told you Keith, anyone can challenge for the job at any time if they think they can represent better than I have.....more power to them.
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all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.
I provided links showing their contest history, showing for some repeatedly going back and forth between pro and amateur, showing no 'sitting out a year'. For some it was only months between competing in a contest with prizes and a national level NPC event. Not much time for 'repeated petitioning to get back in the NPC'.
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Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.
The names don’t matter unless the names exist in your imagination. Without naming names, you get your scare message across without actual proof. How convenient.
Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....
You made a claim. Tim called your BS with real examples. The only one with ZERO is you Chick. See above. BTW – Dave Goodin placed 2nd at the team universe. Does this qualify for the “on the radar according to Bob Chick” criteria for an NPC reprimand?
I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...
Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.
“respected veteran” according to who? You? when someone agrees with you they attain "respected veteran" status?
Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.
Just because you haven’t heard the names that means “no one” has heard of them? That is quite pompous of you Chick, no real surprise there.
This “disciplinary action” you keep talking of is nothing more than an idle threat. You seem unable to prove otherwise.
"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....
If that is what you truly believe then why are you on this thread? The NPC itself is not officially concerned with this show, why are you? Even though you claim you aren’t acting on behalf of the NPC, it would seem as though Manion(or someone) has asked you to scare people away. Is this true?
I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....
Another genuine sounding lie by Chick.
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Their names wouldn't matter, as no one ould know what they've competed in....not that tough to figure out, at least not for anyone who can reason.
Tim has nothing except names of people that have competed in both....no facts to support HIS case. He has ZERO info onwhat the result was, on if any of these athletes had been given a suspension, or had to write a letter, etc.....
I know for fact this has happened, and would certainly again...
Stunt is a respected veteren of the irongame, and has no reason to lie....no one has questioned his facts, except you to try and make your lame point.
Tim is not an official, and has no more knowledge than anyone else with access to the internet....he would have no knowledge of any diciplinary action taken, and has conceeded as much....all he did was provide a list of names no one has ever heard of, without any subsequent explanation of any finding.
"Threat to the NPC"?? You must be joking.....this one show is about as much a threat to the NPC as the PDI was to the IFBB. There hasn't been a threat to the NPC since they took over amateur bb from the AAU back in the day.....
I wish Ben the best, because he'll need it and It's no skin off my ass no matter how well or not well he does.....
I have rather simple take on all this:
If a bodybuilder or fitness babe is serious about a career in/around bodybuilding or in being a legit pro, they will set their sights on the NPC -USA and not be concerned with this other event.
Of course, some will decide to go for it and see it as a good deal. Kinda like Lee Priest and his trip over to that other pro BB organization....
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I provided links showing their contest history, showing for some repeatedly going back and forth between pro and amateur, showing no 'sitting out a year'. For some it was only months between competing in a contest with prizes and a national level NPC event. Not much time for 'repeated petitioning to get back in the NPC'.
And I've said no less than 5 times now, I'm sure there are those who have flown under the radar....how would anyone know?
Is this hard to understand, or do you just not get it?
Again, for the last time...there is no task force, there is no one taking names. If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.
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You're needed at checkout counter #4....
Quit wasting my time arguing about matters you have no knowledge of.
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And I've said no less than 5 times now, I'm sure there are those who have flown under the radar....how would anyone know?
Is this hard to understand, or do you just not get it?
Again, for the last time...there is no task force, there is no one taking names. If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.
Bob, on another topic, when will the ticket sales be ready for the AUG pro BB weekly show in Tampa?
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Bob, on another topic, when will the ticket sales be ready for the AUG pro BB weekly show in Tampa?
Contact Tim Gardner/ show promoter at:
tgflex@aol.com
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OK hypothetical......
If a competitor did get banned from the NPC for competing in the show, and they took it to court and stated that Stan Mcquay has done the same, yet later was rewarded a pro card by the NPC....what would happen?
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Bannings seem arbitrary anyway, I know for a complete fact that an IFBB pro competed in a non sanctioned contest of another federation where she won a small amount of money, and then went right back to the IFBB pro level with no issue whatsoever. I assume this was due to the fact she was a low level pro, not American, and no one probably noticed.
Also, not referring to male bodybuilders as there is money to be made there, but one has to wonder from the female perspective. There is piss all money to be made anyway - check the prize money for many womens pro events, sums like $6,000 total. Ben's show is actually paying out more than most pro level shows do for women anyway. I have to laugh, as an an "amateur" I personally have won more money than most female pros will ever see anyway, as many places worldwide it's normal to win prize money as an amatuer. It's all good anyway, speaking from an international perspective, I am sure there are plenty of international folk who won't mind pocketing $10,000 while the NPC squabbles.
I think it is great Ben is offering a choice, and if NPC folk want to stick with that of course that is understandable, but never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.
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...never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.
Agreed.
I'm skeptical about the money he's promising (but admittedly, I don't know his financial situation), but what you state above is what makes all the talking heads and naysayers look bad.
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If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.
I'll offer my consulting services for free: change the rule book to state "Anyone can compete in the NPC as long as they 1) pay the yearly dues, and 2) are not currently registered as an IFBB pro." Get rid of all this "petitioning" to get back in the good graces of the NPC.
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If a bodybuilder or fitness babe is serious about a career in/around bodybuilding or in being a legit pro, they will set their sights on the NPC -USA and not be concerned with this other event.
400 of the USA's best bodybuilders (?) will be entering the NPC USA. 4 will be offered pro cards for the IFBB. Now are the other 396 completely delusional? or are some of them in it just for the fun of the sport? Most national level bodybuilders have no expectation of turning pro or making a career out of bodybuilding. For them, the more contests the better.
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400 of the USA's best bodybuilders (?) will be entering the NPC USA. 4 will be offered pro cards for the IFBB. Now are the other 396 completely delusional? or are some of them in it just for the fun of the sport? Most national level bodybuilders have no expectation of turning pro or making a career out of bodybuilding. For them, the more contests the better.
The NPC has the right to create any guide lines as it wishes. As it has been mentioned, it is not a sport federation. In the same way competitors have the right to make their choice. If you don't like the the NPC or IFBB... simple create your own organization or join other. To the majority that enjoy the many shows, recognition and opportunities that NPC/IFBB provide just got to follow the rules. It is just like any other company
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The reality is that rule don't get enforced unless you try to bring down the empire.
next subject?
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The NPC has the right to create any guide lines as it wishes.
Not true. Policy can not supercede the law. Point is if and I say IF their "policies" contradict the law then there could be trouble and that goes for any company.
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Not true. Policy can not supercede the law. Point is if and I say IF their "policies" contradict the law then there could be trouble and that goes for any company.
I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC
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I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC
The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.
The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.
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I Do not believe they are breaking any laws by not allowing their competitor to compete in different organizations. If so many companies will be in legal trouble as they do not allow you to work for a competitor. Again no one is holding a Gun to the competitors ...They stay because they enjoy the NPC
Not always, sometimes they stay cause there may not be another choice. Now there is, but they are being told they can not compete for money. I like the NPC! but I think they need to leave this one alone. All it would take is one guy to file a suite and no matter what they lose. Too much publicity I believe would not be a good thiing for the NPC escpecially the way things are now. So what if a few guys compete. No matter what the NPC is not going anywhere no matte what. It's just another choice.
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The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.
The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.
How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!
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The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.
The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.
Thanks for futher clarifying it Bob.
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Bannings seem arbitrary anyway, I know for a complete fact that an IFBB pro competed in a non sanctioned contest of another federation where she won a small amount of money, and then went right back to the IFBB pro level with no issue whatsoever. I assume this was due to the fact she was a low level pro, not American, and no one probably noticed.
Also, not referring to male bodybuilders as there is money to be made there, but one has to wonder from the female perspective. There is piss all money to be made anyway - check the prize money for many womens pro events, sums like $6,000 total. Ben's show is actually paying out more than most pro level shows do for women anyway. I have to laugh, as an an "amateur" I personally have won more money than most female pros will ever see anyway, as many places worldwide it's normal to win prize money as an amatuer. It's all good anyway, speaking from an international perspective, I am sure there are plenty of international folk who won't mind pocketing $10,000 while the NPC squabbles.
I think it is great Ben is offering a choice, and if NPC folk want to stick with that of course that is understandable, but never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.
nicely said,thanks
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How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!
Not here they don't...
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Not here they don't...
So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?
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How so ? Because IFBB Amateurs (named NPC in the USA) compete for cash and prizes since years all over the World!
Correct me if im wrong....isnt it competing for a sponsorship?
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So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?
Two different federations....two different people running them.
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nicely said,thanks
Ben if your intentions is really to help bodybuilding, not stir up problems. Have you tried working with the NPC and IFBB. It seems to me that making the show in the same weekend as the USA's and offering money to amateurs is a confrontation rather that help find solutions and options
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NPC/IFBB may be stuck in the last century,when there was one phone company,movie stars were under contract to one studio,and if a network TV Show was a hit, you would NEVER,EVER see any discussion of it on competing station. Now you if you tune in NBC Today,for example,it is common practice to see them discuss(even show clips)of hit shows on ABC (Dancing with the Stars) American Idol(Fox) American Gladiators ,,well, NOT SO MUCH
and Major League Baseball has not closed up shop since introducing the inter-league series
good heavens METS vs YANKEES in July ?
On the first version of this topic- I posted a similar situation
between the Oscars and the Independent Spirit Awards - as soon as the Academy announce the Oscar Telecast date - the Indies set their awards show,always,on the afternoon before
why / because everyone is town on the same weekend.
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NPC/IFBB may be stuck in the last century,when there was one phone company,movie stars were under contract to one studio,and if a network TV Show was a hit, you would NEVER,EVER see any discussion of it on competing station. Now you if you tune in NBC Today,for example,it is common practice to see them discuss(even show clips)of hit shows on ABC (Dancing with the Stars) American Idol(Fox) American Gladiators ,,well, NOT SO MUCH
and Major League Baseball has not closed up shop since introducing the inter-league series
good heavens METS vs YANKEES in July ?
On the first version of this topic- I posted a similar situation
between the Oscars and the Independent Spirit Awards - as soon as the Academy announce the Oscar Telecast date - the Indies set their awards show,always,on the afternoon before
why / because everyone is town on the same weekend.
PLease....If Ben had elected to have a PRO show offering a purse on the same weekend as a IFBB pro show...there would be no issue.
If He had a amateur show offering NO prize money on the same weekend as the USA, there would b no problem...
Enticing NPC amateurs to compete in his show offering monies and putting out misinformation that there is no conflict with their status.......problem.
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if Pro-Athletes can NOW enter the Olympics
that should remove the stigma of offering money to athletes
and think of all the crap poor Jim Thorpe went through
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So you are saying NPC Athletes have different rules than all other IFBB Amateurs in the rest of the world?
there does not seem to be any rules regarding amateur status at the international level of the IFBB, so each country's organization can set their own rules. In most countries, top amateur athletes are subsidized by their government, which hardly makes them amateurs. I remember a story a few years back of an athlete receiving $160k from his government for winning his class at the IFBB Worlds. He continued to compete as an amateur.
In the US, both the AAU and NPC would ban athletes for competing in the other's amateur contests. A lawsuit in 1982 put an end to that. But just a few years ago I saw the Canadian CBBF threatening athletes with suspension for entering Musclemania. A threat of a lawsuit would probably be enough to get them to back down.
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No matter what the NPC ad IFBB are making threats to Ben they would never ever follow through with. No way in the world would they ever voluntarily have any issue go to court. Also, Ben is not an organization. The NPC competitors are NOT competing in another organization. Ben's show is like if the Hard Rock Cafe put on a show for the Best Body and some BB entered. It is not sanctioned nor is it a federation or organization. I hope plenty of NPC guys enter and the NPC suspends them. Then I hope whoever gets suspended takes the NPC to court. Now that would be hilarious. Their suspension would be lifted in no time. And I would also bet those guys would never place in a NPC contest again. I am just hoping Ben sticks with it. Picks up some sponsors other than supplement companies or any company associated with the NPC, IFBB or bodybuilding at all. Once you go after those sponsors the IFBB wil contact those sponsors and threaten them and Ben will be left with no sponsors. He as to go after companies not associated. The NPC or IFBB do not go after sponsors outside the industry simply because they can't control them. That is a fact.
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There are plenty of amateur bodybuilders who have endorsement contracts with the very companies who sponsor the NPC shows. This in itself could make the athlete looked upon as a pro since he makes his living from being a bodybuilder. My point is that a judge could very well see it this way and this could open up a pandoras box which in turn could not only hurt the athlete but the sponsers too.
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There are plenty of amateur bodybuilders who have endorsement contracts with the very companies who sponsor the NPC shows. This in itself could make the athlete looked upon as a pro since he makes his living from being a bodybuilder. My point is that a judge could very well see it this way and this could open up a pandoras box which in turn could not only hurt the athlete but the sponsers too.
a endorsement contract is viewed differently than competing for purse/ prizes. They only look at competing for money as "making a living" from it.
I'm sure a judge could look at it a few different ways....point is, who would bther spending the money for the right to compete as an amateur?
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The Drama on this thread brings me to MY past
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a endorsement contract is viewed differently than competing for purse/ prizes. They only look at competing for money as "making a living" from it.
I'm sure a judge could look at it a few different ways....point is, who would bther spending the money for the right to compete as an amateur?
I could be wrong, but for an Olympic athlete to be truly considered an amateur he also can not have an endorsement contract either. If a judge adheres to this strict interpretation then no amateur bodybuilder would be able to be paid an money from a sponsor. To answer your question if I am understanding it correctly, the person who would bother to spend the money to be considered an amateur would be someone who could afford to and cares enough to want it.
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I could be wrong, but for an Olympic athlete to be truly considered an amateur he also can not have an endorsement contract either. If a judge adheres to this strict interpretation then no amateur bodybuilder would be able to be paid an money from a sponsor. To answer your question if I am understanding it correctly, the person who would bother to spend the money to be considered an amateur would be someone who could afford to and cares enough to want it.
It's more akin to the college athlete who cannot accept money....over a certain amount.
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It's more akin to the college athlete who cannot accept money....over a certain amount.
Chick, off topic
What brand/style of jeans do you wear that fit right over your quads? Thanks
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Chick, off topic
What brand/style of jeans do you wear that fit right over your quads? Thanks
Mek's....had to try on a few different one's , but found one that fit
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Chick, off topic
What brand/style of jeans do you wear that fit right over your quads? Thanks
Dear God, please don't tell me that the above pic made you think of Bob in a pair of jeans. ???
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I used to wear Jeans that said "GUESS" on the back.......
problem was , people kept coming up to me saying "I dunno....260-270?"
Heyooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo!!
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Dear God, please don't tell me that the above pic made you think of Bob in a pair of jeans. ???
The fat ass and guess jeans did make me think how the fuck does she fit her ass in those jeans and then it did remind me of how hard it is for myself to find jeans...
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I used to wear Jeans that said "GUESS" on the back.......
problem was , people kept coming up to me saying "I dunno....260-270?"
Heyooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo!!
::) ;D
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Mek's....had to try on a few different one's , but found one that fit
thanks Chick
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The fat ass and guess jeans did make me think how the fuck does she fit her ass in those jeans and then it did remind me of how hard it is for myself to find jeans...
Just messin, honest answer derserves props. ;D
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Just messin, honest answer derserves props. ;D
For that you get this
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For that you get this
Proof of God right there! :P
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Bannings seem arbitrary anyway, I know for a complete fact that an IFBB pro competed in a non sanctioned contest of another federation where she won a small amount of money, and then went right back to the IFBB pro level with no issue whatsoever. I assume this was due to the fact she was a low level pro, not American, and no one probably noticed.
Also, not referring to male bodybuilders as there is money to be made there, but one has to wonder from the female perspective. There is piss all money to be made anyway - check the prize money for many womens pro events, sums like $6,000 total. Ben's show is actually paying out more than most pro level shows do for women anyway. I have to laugh, as an an "amateur" I personally have won more money than most female pros will ever see anyway, as many places worldwide it's normal to win prize money as an amatuer. It's all good anyway, speaking from an international perspective, I am sure there are plenty of international folk who won't mind pocketing $10,000 while the NPC squabbles.
I think it is great Ben is offering a choice, and if NPC folk want to stick with that of course that is understandable, but never a need to down a man trying to uplift bodybuilding in general.
How have you been sweetie pie? Sorry for not calling you back. .... saw your msg. Check your PMs.
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I used to wear Jeans that said "GUESS" on the back.......
problem was , people kept coming up to me saying "I dunno....260-270?"
Heyooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo!!
That wasnt that funny....UNTIL he added the "heyoooo" LOL
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No matter what the NPC ad IFBB are making threats to Ben they would never ever follow through with. No way in the world would they ever voluntarily have any issue go to court. Also, Ben is not an organization. The NPC competitors are NOT competing in another organization. Ben's show is like if the Hard Rock Cafe put on a show for the Best Body and some BB entered. It is not sanctioned nor is it a federation or organization. I hope plenty of NPC guys enter and the NPC suspends them. Then I hope whoever gets suspended takes the NPC to court. Now that would be hilarious. Their suspension would be lifted in no time. And I would also bet those guys would never place in a NPC contest again. I am just hoping Ben sticks with it. Picks up some sponsors other than supplement companies or any company associated with the NPC, IFBB or bodybuilding at all. Once you go after those sponsors the IFBB wil contact those sponsors and threaten them and Ben will be left with no sponsors. He as to go after companies not associated. The NPC or IFBB do not go after sponsors outside the industry simply because they can't control them. That is a fact.
That is right,that is us,I said it over and over again"We are not an Organization,not sanctioned by anybody,we are only a Production company"
and yes our sponsors have been blackmailed by the IFBB
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The issue arises only within the Pro division...as an amateur, you cannot prohibit competitors from competing in other AMATEUR competitions, no matter what the federation.
The question at large is that the B&A show is offering prize money which makes it a "pro" event by definition, resulting in a NPC amateur putting his amateur standing at risk.
Chic you can't be anymore off. Just because you offer money does NOT make it a professional event. Please call your boss back. that would make any contest that happens in a bar a professional event. that makes all the costume parties during Halloween a professional event. If you win money at a bikini contest does that make you a professional. This is NOT a recoginized organization or federation putting on an event. I promise you that the NPC and IFBB would no way in hell go to court over this.
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Two different federations....two different people running them.
again with the semantics. The NPC is like a minor league team affiliated with a major league team. The IFBB gets there players from the NPC. When was the last time an IFBB pro came from an organization other than the NPC (I am talking in the US). It might be two different people running each company but they all play for the same team. note: I am sorry for putting baseball and bodybuilding in the same sentence.
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Chic, if a NPC member works on a movie as a bodybuilder does he lose his status as an amateur. They are getting paid as a bodybuilder so does that make them a pro now.
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Chic, if a NPC member works on a movie as a bodybuilder does he lose his status as an amateur. They are getting paid as a bodybuilder so does that make them a pro now.
They are getting paid as an actor. Just like you were paid to ACT like you were strong. Remember those days? ;)
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They are getting paid as an actor. Just like you were paid to ACT like you were strong. Remember those days? ;)
How you get paid for being a photographer baffles me :-\
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there does not seem to be any rules regarding amateur status at the international level of the IFBB, so each country's organization can set their own rules.
at this year Amateur Arnold Classics, in the USA, fake European amateurs (in the fact professionals) compete with true amateurs athletes of NPC
why they have not competed with Dexter, Badell, Freeman etc?
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at this year Amateur Arnold Classics, in the USA, fake European amateurs (in the fact professionals) compete with true amateurs athletes of NPC
why they have not competed with Dexter, Badell, Freeman etc?
If the IFBB does not recognise other organisations then a professional athlete would have to compete as an amateur?
Individual countries affiliated to the IFBB have endorsed applications for professional status without competing as an amateur. The UK did it for Charles Clairmonte. Nobody in the amateur ranks was upset!
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somebody over at musclehedz must read getbig...i got this this morning lol
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They are getting paid as an actor. Just like you were paid to ACT like you were strong. Remember those days? ;)
Yes those were the days 8)
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Chic, if a NPC member works on a movie as a bodybuilder does he lose his status as an amateur. They are getting paid as a bodybuilder so does that make them a pro now.
Wouldn't he be working as an actor?
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Wouldn't he be working as an actor?
I don't know, I was just asking ;D
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If you can't put up, then I suppose I can't fault you for shutting up.
btw - you're needed for another blindfolded/chainmain wearing gay photoshoot, better start oiling up.
You're needed at checkout counter #4....
Quit wasting my time arguing about matters you have no knowledge of.
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If the IFBB does not recognise other organisations then a professional athlete would have to compete as an amateur?
Individual countries affiliated to the IFBB have endorsed applications for professional status without competing as an amateur. The UK did it for Charles Clairmonte. Nobody in the amateur ranks was upset!
I'm not speaking of the athletes from other organization but of the athletes that compete in the IFBB Euro elite tour as Robert Piotrkowicz from Poland, Amateur Arnold Clasics 2nd place heavyweight, that in IFBB websites words:
makes, this year, incredible money with all his victories through Elite Tour in the World.
http://www.ifbb.com/newsletter/detail.php?id=2230&date=2008-04-29&language=english&prov=index
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I'm not speaking of the athletes from other organization but of the athletes that compete in the IFBB Euro elite tour as Robert Piotrkowicz from Poland, Amateur Arnold Clasics 2nd place heavyweight, that in IFBB websites words:
makes, this year, incredible money with all his victories through Elite Tour in the World.
http://www.ifbb.com/newsletter/detail.php?id=2230&date=2008-04-29&language=english&prov=index
IBFA - Are you saying that there are IFBB 'amateurs' competing in Europe who receive federation and government-funded stipends which makes them, in effect, professional bodybuilders?
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If you can't put up, then I suppose I can't fault you for shutting up.
btw - you're needed for another blindfolded/chainmain wearing gay photoshoot, better start oiling up.
Yeah, I remember that shoot, it was with Leigh anna Ross...doubtful you've ever been that close to a woman.
Sucks to be you...
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Oh yeah, I've heard that all of getbig would be lined up to blind folded and wear chain mail to do a gay photo shoot, even only given the opportunity.
sucks to be broke, doesn't it chick?
Yeah, I remember that shoot, it was with Leigh anna Ross...doubtful you've ever been that close to a woman.
Sucks to be you...
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if no one is taking names then why are you so concerned about Ben's show and informing the general public?
The NPC is apparently not concerned, why are you?
And I've said no less than 5 times now, I'm sure there are those who have flown under the radar....how would anyone know?
Is this hard to understand, or do you just not get it?
Again, for the last time...there is no task force, there is no one taking names. If you're looking for a job (which by the sounds of it, you could use one) I suggest you send a resume to the NPC office explaining these atrocities and offereing your expert services for pay.
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Oh yeah, I've heard that all of getbig would be lined up to blind folded and wear chain mail to do a gay photo shoot, even only given the opportunity.
sucks to be broke, doesn't it chick?
Hmmm...a gay photo shoot with a hot chick?
All in the eye of the beholder, I guess....
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where was the hot chick? in your head?
Hmmm...a gay photo shoot with a hot chick?
All in the eye of the beholder, I guess....
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where was the hot chick? in your head?
In every other shot we took, other than the one YOU seem to like....doesn't surprise me.
PM Gordiano, you two seem to enjoy the same things....
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I'm not speaking of the athletes from other organization but of the athletes that compete in the IFBB Euro elite tour as Robert Piotrkowicz from Poland, Amateur Arnold Clasics 2nd place heavyweight, that in IFBB websites words:
makes, this year, incredible money with all his victories through Elite Tour in the World.
http://www.ifbb.com/newsletter/detail.php?id=2230&date=2008-04-29&language=english&prov=index
Hopefully someone from the IFBB will see this thread and clear this up.
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IBFA - Are you saying that there are IFBB 'amateurs' competing in Europe who receive federation and government-funded stipends which makes them, in effect, professional bodybuilders?
In Europe government don't help bodybuilders but some only some Contest Promoters
European amateurs bodybuilders earn more money from amateur competitions whit money prizes (euro elite etc) then 95% IFBB Pro
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btw - you're needed for another blindfolded/chainmain wearing gay photoshoot, better start oiling up.
that's bullshit right there.
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funny how you do a gay photoshoot, but somehow "there was a hot chick involved, she just wasn't in the picture"
In every other shot we took, other than the one YOU seem to like....doesn't surprise me.
PM Gordiano, you two seem to enjoy the same things....
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funny how you do a gay photoshoot, but somehow "there was a hot chick involved, she just wasn't in the picture"
It was a David Paul shoot, for Musclemag....there are 100 pictures of us doing the photo shoot. I'll be more than happy to scan a few for your enjoyment. Sorry bro, you have me confused with the guys you like to look at that have done "gay shoots"....I've never done one.
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FFS when will you all learn that the IFBB make up the Fukin Rules as they go along just look at the Drug Rule.If you are not well known then it's open to do as you want.If Lee Priest was a 3rd tier Pro he would still have his IFBB Pro card.We get it you corrupt Fuks.
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poor bob chick, too dumb to realize that he did a gay photoshoot.
a new level of stupidity in the IFBB.
It was a David Paul shoot, for Musclemag....there are 100 pictures of us doing the photo shoot. I'll be more than happy to scan a few for your enjoyment. Sorry bro, you have me confused with the guys you like to look at that have done "gay shoots"....I've never done one.
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12 weeks today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's change Amateur Bodybuilding/Figure for the better!!!!
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men)
wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
1st place winner wins a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entrys we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
Surprise Guests!!!!!
No we will not tell because they will get threaten by the IFBB again but it will be great!!!!
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Ben do you have any IFBB Pros Guest posing at your show?I think Troy Alves is allowed to guest pose in Non IFBB shows,but I don't think Priest would be able to do it not sure you would have to check with Chick.He knows all the RULES. ::)
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Ben do you have any IFBB Pros Guest posing at your show?I think Troy Alves is allowed to guest pose in Non IFBB shows,but I don't think Priest would be able to do it not sure you would have to check with Chick.He knows all the RULES. ::)
No we have Diana Dennis posing(and it will be her last performance and a very special one) and we have someone from Italy posing to show how amazing you can look with 70. We do not want to get anyone blackballed in the IFBB.We are for the Athletes and Lee has to stay away from anything what is not IFBB related.
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Ben. Good to hear something positive for the sport. Hope more shows come along also.
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Diana Dennis is Great she was with the IFBB years ago I believe lots of Photo Mag work.Good to see you are looking out for the Athletes But I think if they get the nod from Mr Big in the IFBB it's OK to guest pose in non sanctioned event.I think Troy did one on weekend.Good to see the money being passed around.Would you ever Promote an IFBB Pro show?as you give more money than their Grand Prix shows????.
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Diana Dennis is Great she was with the IFBB years ago I believe lots of Photo Mag work.Good to see you are looking out for the Athletes But I think if they get the nod from Mr Big in the IFBB it's OK to guest pose in non sanctioned event.I think Troy did one on weekend.Good to see the money being passed around.Would you ever Promote an IFBB Pro show?as you give more money than their Grand Prix shows????.
Why do an IFBB and then have to pay sanction fees, judges, and have to follow their bullshit. Already more money is being awarded than most IFBB shows from what I can see. I think if this promoter can keep up the support and get the publicity he needs he could have something really good. If I am back in time for that show I may go to it along with the USA. I love Vegas! No problem to spend a weekend there.
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Ben. Good to hear something positive for the sport. Hope more shows come along also.
yup that is the Plan,trying to come close to break even and putting on more shows next year!
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Diana Dennis is Great she was with the IFBB years ago I believe lots of Photo Mag work.Good to see you are looking out for the Athletes But I think if they get the nod from Mr Big in the IFBB it's OK to guest pose in non sanctioned event.I think Troy did one on weekend.Good to see the money being passed around.Would you ever Promote an IFBB Pro show?as you give more money than their Grand Prix shows????.
No our Goal is to give the Amateurs something back,when I was an Amateur back in the 80s,you could make great money,today there is no more money for Amateurs.
Our other Goal is to have fun at a show like it used to be in the 80,s and 90,s.Yes we give out a lot of prizes and opportunity's (like the TV show) but can we not also have great fun with it.
We need to bring back the whole camaraderie,which was great back in the day.
Fun fun fun like Arm wrestling and a little competition at the Party for the motorcycle,dancing at the Party!!!.
Let's have the Audience on their toes when the overalls are on,screaming, going crazy,jumping on our chairs,let the Athletes go all out,jump on our judging table if you feel like it,nobody needs to look straight at the prejudging or get punished if the heels are not together,who cares,we judge you on what you bring to the table that day and how you present your self and not how we want you to present your self,be in the best shape of your life and you will get rewarded,no politics,no BS,that is our Goal
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Sounds Great as long as the Money is good they will always come BBs are as Fickle as people could get sort of like starving children.IFBB keep the money low and the Pros stupid and uninformed.
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we have someone from Italy posing to show how amazing you can look with 70.
gee, I wonder who that (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Filizola,+Biagio) could (http://www.robertuniverse.com/davidgentle/ohflbiiagioenlarged.htm) be (http://www.ibfasport.com/BF/cs2.jpg).
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gee, I wonder who that (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Filizola,+Biagio) could (http://www.robertuniverse.com/davidgentle/ohflbiiagioenlarged.htm) be (http://www.ibfasport.com/BF/cs2.jpg).
you will see he looks very good for 70!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Back in 1999 or so I was looking to add to my collection of vintage bodybuilding magazines. Biagio had a collection of the British Health and Strength that I wanted to buy. He sent me a few. They were in excellent condition....except for one thing: he had taken a rubber stamp and stamped his name every three or four pages throughout the magazines...on collector's items...easily taking away half their value. I did not buy the collection.
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Good luck with your show Ben we have to thank Chick for all the Promotion for your show he has done without his input this thread may not have lasted as long around here. ;D
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One more for the list
Charles Moorer (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Moorer,+Charles), winner of last weekend's NPC New England Championships (http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=New+England+Championships+-+NPC&y=2008), was a WNBF pro last year.
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Tim Chick will just say WHO????He is so IFBB he goes by the same Rules his own Fukin Rules.
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One more for the list
Charles Moorer (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Moorer,+Charles), winner of last weekend's NPC New England Championships (http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=New+England+Championships+-+NPC&y=2008), was a WNBF pro last year.
This list could be very long.................... ................
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Doing things right Ben getting plenty of Plugs for your show only 2mths to go.
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Ben 2500 views and a whole lot more your show has been placed on the IFBB Professional League in the NEWS section they have a Important Notice this show is not Sanctioned.You must be doing something Right they have your show on their Site what a Fukin JOKE.Chick didn't even know about a show Troy Alves was guest posing in and it was NOT an IFBB Show.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ;D
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Ben 2500 views and a whole lot more your show has been placed on the IFBB Professional League in the NEWS section they have a Important Notice this show is not Sanctioned.You must be doing something Right they have your show on their Site what a Fukin JOKE.Chick didn't even know about a show Troy Alves was guest posing in and it was NOT an IFBB Show.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ;D
yes the question is why they are making such a big deal out of it?
Are they that afraid? About us? A Non sanctioned event? the big IFBB?
This is crazy!!!
But hey good publicity anyway!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most rewarding Bodybuilding/Figure show in the World!
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Ben1 Most know what the IFBB stand for but are too weak to stand and be counted plenty end up like Priest it's a shame that Pros can't earn a living with any money being given by any Org.But at least we all know they have elections so members can vote for judges and other Reps.Keep up the Good work they are trying to keep you in check.PUPPETS are at work.
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yes the question is why they are making such a big deal out of it?
Are they that afraid? About us? A Non sanctioned event? the big IFBB?
This is crazy!!!
But hey good publicity anyway!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most rewarding Bodybuilding/Figure show in the World!
You're wondering why everyone is making a big deal of this????
Well for starters you put the event on the same weekend as the USA's in Las Vegas. Also lets not forget that its an unsanctioned NPC event and any NPC competitor who does the event will face disiplinary action.
Seriously, I hope this blows up in your face
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You're wondering why everyone is making a big deal of this????
Well for starters you put the event on the same weekend as the USA's in Las Vegas. Also lets not forget that its an unsanctioned NPC event and any NPC competitor who does the event will face disiplinary action.
Seriously, I hope this blows up in your face
Kind of like your whole life. Vince seriously, when are you going to realize your destiny is failure. You have not one thing going for you that is positive. Yea I know that is fucked up but really you need to quit taking those drugs that make you think you mean something to somebody. Cause dude you don't Hope this helps.
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You're wondering why everyone is making a big deal of this????
Well for starters you put the event on the same weekend as the USA's in Las Vegas. Also lets not forget that its an unsanctioned NPC event and any NPC competitor who does the event will face disiplinary action.
Seriously, I hope this blows up in your face
what have you done for Bodybuilding?
How many titles have you won?
coming from the biggest looser in Bodybuilding means a lot,thanks
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what have you done for Bodybuilding?
How many titles have you won?
coming from the biggest looser in Bodybuilding means a lot,thanks
Ben you have to understand Goodrum intelligence and his mindset. He truly believes that being the bigger loser in everything he has attempted is an accomplishment. He brags about 5th place (out of five guys). The only thing he is truly good at and that is being an idiot (and of course satisfying Queer Vissy)
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I was on the phone this morning with a friend of mine and he said it perfectly and I challenge Chick to answer this...
Why can't a man who is an IFBB Pro guest pose at a different federation's event if he's getting some money to do so as we all know there aint jack shit for money in pro bodybuilding, but another IFBB Pro can fuck grapefruits and lunch meat on camera for the world to see and that's perfectly fine?
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I was on the phone this morning with a friend of mine and he said it perfectly and I challenge Chick to answer this...
Why can't a man who is an IFBB Pro guest pose at a different federation's event if he's getting some money to do so as we all know there aint jack shit for money in pro bodybuilding, but another IFBB Pro can fuck grapefruits and lunch meat on camera for the world to see and that's perfectly fine?
Bump the thread. And to answr your question, grapefruit and lunch meat are all part of an IFBB pro diet so they have to allow it.
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what have you done for Bodybuilding?
How many titles have you won?
coming from the biggest looser in Bodybuilding means a lot,thanks
lol.
owned.
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What Chick says is Fact no one is allowed to Pose in a Non IFBB show Ooooooops Troy Alves did but Chick said he knew nothing about it but you can bet your balls if it was Priest he would have known about it. ::)
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criticism...mmmmmm
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yes the question is why they are making such a big deal out of it?
Are they that afraid? About us? A Non sanctioned event? the big IFBB?
This is crazy!!!
But hey good publicity anyway!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com - most rewarding Bodybuilding/Figure show in the World!
it's a madness, amateurs bodybuilders will come from Europe with the problems with digital pasport, visa, airtiket etc but can't compete the American amateurs that are already in Las Vegas!!
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what have you done for Bodybuilding?
How many titles have you won?
coming from the biggest looser in Bodybuilding means a lot,thanks
I brought teh funny..... ;D
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You're wondering why everyone is making a big deal of this????
Well for starters you put the event on the same weekend as the USA's in Las Vegas. Also lets not forget that its an unsanctioned NPC event and any NPC competitor who does the event will face disiplinary action.
Seriously, I hope this blows up in your face
1) There's no such thing as an 'unsanctioned NPC event'. If it's unsanctioned, then it has nothing to do with the NPC.
2) You are neither qualified nor authorized by the NPC to declare anything concerning registered NPC members or future registered NPC members.
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While it is possible that current NPC members who participate in the B&A could lose their amateur status (as defined by the NPC) for a period to be determined, this is given only as a possible outcome, NOT as a statement of fact.
The NPC is perfectly capable of handling its own operations, Goodrum.
That is all.
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The B&A International Classics is now the
"B&A INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSE"
11 weeks today!!!!!!
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men) wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
All 1st place winner win a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entrys we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
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1) There's no such thing as an 'unsanctioned NPC event'. If it's unsanctioned, then it has nothing to do with the NPC.
bingo
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congrats NPC you did it again,driving around ripping our Posters apart and take them down,
second time already,how low can you go?
We really need to make some changes in Bodybuilding/Figure.
We need to have succes with our show (I am not talking about making money),put on more shows,
and maybe a new Organization,i am really having it with these lowlife NPC people (whoever is in charge of the Muppet show there)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Ben to be on the News section on the IFBB Pro site you must be doing a Great job with your show.Don't worry about Ripping your posters down sounds like they are trying everything to damage your show.BBs are Fickle you put up the Money and they will come.Simple, it's just like the IFBB Pro Grand Prix shows they give Fuk all Money but 3 spots in the Olympia Booooooooooooooooom the Pros turn up. ::)
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congrats NPC you did it again,driving around ripping our Posters apart and take them down,
second time already,how low can you go?
We really need to make some changes in Bodybuilding/Figure.
We need to have succes with our show (I am not talking about making money),put on more shows,
and maybe a new Organization,i am really having it with these lowlife NPC people (whoever is in charge of the Muppet show there)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
BEN, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR BULLSHIT STORIES ON MD?????
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Put the posters back up Kid.
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Hey Ben have emailed or snail mailed the NPC competitors direct. there is a mailing list available that has ALL the active NPC members on it.
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Good one Onlyme fight fire with fire.Seems Ben is doing something Right man are they going to great lengths to give his show grief.Troy Alves IFBB Pro can guest pose in Non IFBB shows but Ben can't have competitors.
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will do my best guys,thanks for all the support here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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We will keep your show thread going Ben no Problem.IFBB should just leave BBs alone to do as they want.Priest is a Fine example of what happens if you cross these Pricks.Milos can have his IFBB Pro card back if he Licks a few IFBB Reps balls. ::)
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Ben is show prep going well??.
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Milos can have his IFBB Pro card back if he Licks a few IFBB Reps balls. ::)
Isn't that what is typically required for a high show placing in the IFBB?
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That's a question for Chick. ;D
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That's a question for Chick. ;D
First he has to clarify this whole "Rules vs. Code of Conduct" thing before he can move on to more advanced topics.
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Goat Fuking Fruit is all good.If you do Porn and Fuk Fruit you get a win at the NY Pro.Cold Hard Facts.
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Goat Fuking Fruit is all good.If you do Porn and Fuk Fruit you get a win at the NY Pro.Cold Hard Facts.
So where it says "No fruit fucking" in the IFBB handbook, that's just a "suggestion", not a "rule", correct?
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Yes in the same section that says Judges will never be accountable for their Poor judging,just ask Milos about IFBB Judging.
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Yes in the same section that says Judges will never be accountable for their Poor judging,just ask Milos about IFBB Judging.
Apparently, if judges in Asia are corrupt and accepting money for placings, it is a BIG no-no to point it out.
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It's not just Asia.
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It's not just Asia.
But don't dare speak of it... I'm pretty sure that's a "rule", not a "code of conduct" issue. ;)
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It's a Fukin Joke that a Pro Like Milos has to lick their Balls to get his IFBB Pro card back.What a Fukin Disgrace.Pros Rep is doing a GREAT Job looking out for the very people he is looking out for.NOT.
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Thanks for keeping it up 10 weeks 5 days to go...................... ........................ ........................ ..
Here is what the Athletes can win at our show:
Overall Men winner (comparison between novice,masters and open men) wins a brand new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Women winner (comparison novice,masters and open women) wins a brand
new car or $10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
Overall Figure winner (comparison Figure over 35 and open Figure) wins a brand new car or
$10000 USD as sponsorship paid in full and cash that night!
All 1st place winner win a $1000 USD sponsorship paid in cash that night plus a Conan Sword!
Bikini Diva winner $1500 cash,if we have more than 40 entrys we will double the money!
Figure Physique 1st $1500 and 2nd $500 if we have more than 20 Athletes we will have 2
classes and the overall winner wins $10000 sponsorship paid in full and cash!
Special Trophy for best Poser and most ripped!
Arm wrestling men and women $800 total prize money
Top 6 get a Trophy
Every Athlete gets a Gym bag and a T Shirt and a participate Medal !
Free Party right after the show for Athletes and officials with free food and give aways
like Golds Gym T Shirts,Hats Lana's Egg Whites and Vitamins!
A brand new Motorcycle Cruiser give away at the Party to one lucky Athlete!!!
Casting 1 male and 1 female Athlete to have their own live TV Show in Los Angeles California!!!
(Not depending on placing only on looks and personality)
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
"The show for the Athletes"!!!
Ben
B&A Production
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No Problem Ben seems like a Great show and with MORE Money than IFBB Grand Prix shows and they call themselves Number 1.FFS some Pros choose to sell drugs to get by.So much MONEY in Pro BB.NOT.
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How long to your Show Ben??.How is it you put up more Money than the IFBB Pro Grand Prix shows???You must be doing something Right.
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this one is getting interesting
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How long to your Show Ben??.How is it you put up more Money than the IFBB Pro Grand Prix shows???You must be doing something Right.
He made sure the NPC and the IFBB had nothing to do with his show.
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I noticed Ironman Magazine and Musclemag are sponsors. Can someone from one of those pubs tell us if there has been any blowback? LT, Ruthie, Bob, Tony?
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Good to see so many sponsors only means the Show will get better.Chick wishes Ben all the best for his show he has said it heaps of times throughout this thread.
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How is it you put up more Money than the IFBB Pro Grand Prix shows???You must be doing something Right.
Quite a few countries put up more money for amateur events that IFBB pros recieve. Tim Fogarty can confirm this, there have been cases of $100,000+ payout to amateur[s?] in Asia, my nation itself pays out for national title wins [not 100k mind you lol]. Europe pays out $20 - $40k at times, Middle East dishes good cash, and Australia and New Zealand have had $10k payouts each already this year to amateurs.
To me, Ben is just bringing to the USA what many of us "amateurs" worldwide already enjoy - money for winning lol.
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Quite a few countries put up more money for amateur events that IFBB pros recieve.
those are governments giving out prizes to their athletes, usually for placing well in international competitions. the governments are not involved with promoting or hosting the shows.
the question was how does an independent promoter (B&A) give more prize money than do major promoters in the IFBB. Obviously he has lower overhead, most significantly no sanction fee to the IFBB corporate office. Don't need to provide hotel rooms to top IFBB officials, etc.
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those are governments giving out prizes to their athletes, usually for placing well in international competitions. the governments are not involved with promoting or hosting the shows.
the question was how does an independent promoter (B&A) give more prize money than do major promoters in the IFBB. Obviously he has lower overhead, most significantly no sanction fee to the IFBB corporate office. Don't need to provide hotel rooms to top IFBB officials, etc.
Plus like you said no flying in judges, hotel rooms, per diem etc. A lot lower overhead. He can pass this savings onto the competitors like it should be. Exact opposite to what the IFBB does.
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someone is deleting my posts - so what is up here???
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someone is deleting my posts - so what is up here???
Your post are not being deleted. That's as big of a delusion as the posters disappearing.
Loser.... ::)
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Your post are not being deleted. That's as big of a delusion as the posters disappearing.
Loser.... ::)
:-*
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someone is deleting my posts - so what is up here???
Yes, they are dropping like flies, I noticed that.
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Your post are not being deleted. That's as big of a delusion as the posters disappearing.
Loser.... ::)
you? you??????? calling me a looser???? The biggest looser and most ridiculous Bodybuilder (I would not even call you that but hey we have to call you something like,easy workingouter?sometimes dumbel toucher?has been in the gym now and then............) When was the last time you won a BB competition?
Let me guess................... ...never!!!!
You always come in last place!!!
I won 32 competitions ------------------------- Ben won 32 times - Vince won nothing!!! mmhhhhh
very difficult question here but I will ask everybody.
"Who do you think is the looser here????
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me -
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Vince - I know it is a close call!
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you? you??????? calling me a looser???? The biggest looser and most ridiculous Bodybuilder (I would not even call you that but hey we have to call you something like,easy workingouter?sometimes dumbel toucher?has been in the gym now and then............) When was the last time you won a BB competition?
Let me guess................... ...never!!!!
You always come in last place!!!
I won 32 competitions ------------------------- Ben won 32 times - Vince won nothing!!! mmhhhhh
very difficult question here but I will ask everybody.
"Who do you think is the looser here????
Ben Goodrum is the ONLY person anywhere that considers himself a bodybuilder. ROn who owns Getbig doesn't even consider Goodrum a competitor. It has been proven that Vince "The Black Fag" Goodrum only enters the contests to see guys up close in small trunks hoping to get a free shot of a falling nut or hopefully getting asked to rub on Protan. He is a joke, just take him that way like everyone else. And we can easily figure out who is deleting your posts. You have to remember your show is a threat to the NPC and IFBB so like any other pussy they will do what they can to stop or at least hurt your show.
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Met Ben earlier this year great guy really cares about competitors.Unlike the NPC/IFBB who does it hurt letting people who wanna compete friggin compete? Didn't NPC/AAU already go to court over crap like this.
Love how the NPC is telling it's competitors to stay away from this show....Get a f ukin Life NPC and let people compete it's not all about you ASSHOLES.I say if your a memebr of the NPC and you do the USA why not do this show as well ?you will be in shape already.
What to scared to get black balled from NPC? ohhhh PLEASE ! Its about time you competitors starting calling the shots the NPC needs you and your money...What do they do for you?
Out of all NPC competitors how many of you are really going to go pro and make a living from it? So why not do Ben's show ..? NPC/IFBB will keep walking all over you as long as you let them..."WE THE PEOPLE"= "WE THE COMPETITORS"
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Ben - No matter how much his inbred ass tries to bait you, you have to take the high road and ignore Goodrum. He exists only for our entertainment.
He's GetBig's - and now MD's, too - official whipping boy.
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lookin' good, man
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you? you??????? calling me a looser???? The biggest looser and most ridiculous Bodybuilder (I would not even call you that but hey we have to call you something like,easy workingouter?sometimes dumbel toucher?has been in the gym now and then............) When was the last time you won a BB competition?
Let me guess................... ...never!!!!
You always come in last place!!!
I won 32 competitions ------------------------- Ben won 32 times - Vince won nothing!!! mmhhhhh
very difficult question here but I will ask everybody.
"Who do you think is the looser here????
N*gga, I've only done 2 NPC shows and I'm only getting started.
Thanks to the Colgan Institute advice of utilizing glucose polymers after training as well as cutting out the low calorie diet, my next show should move me from 2nd place to 1st
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N*gga, I've only done 2 NPC shows and I'm only getting started.
Thanks to the Colgan Institute advice of utilizing glucose polymers after training as well as cutting out the low calorie diet, my next show should move me from 2nd place to 1st
Vince, thanks for the laugh....you can always go into stand up when you BBing "career" ends...... ::)
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...my next show should move me from 2nd place to 1st
You already checked to make sure no one else is in the weight class?
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Ben stick to running your Great show and don't worry about the Clowns like Goodbum and Chick they are FOOLS and most here know that.How long till your show we will keep it up in the news on this board sort of a backfire for the threat made to you and your show.
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You already checked to make sure no one else is in the weight class?
I don't care who's in that division, they are going to get their asses kicked. I've upgraded quite a bit in the past 2 years and even at the O, people did realize that I packed on the muscle mass.
When its all said and done, I'll be headed to the Nationals. Be sure to take pictures
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I don't care who's in that division, they are going to get their asses kicked. I've upgraded quite a bit in the past 2 years and even at the O, people did realize that I packed on the muscle mass.
When its all said and done, I'll be headed to the Nationals. Be sure to take pictures
I hate to take the bait, Melvin, but you are not serious, are you?
This is an inside joke or something?
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you? you??????? calling me a looser???? The biggest looser and most ridiculous Bodybuilder (I would not even call you that but hey we have to call you something like,easy workingouter?sometimes dumbel toucher?has been in the gym now and then............) When was the last time you won a BB competition?
Let me guess................... ...never!!!!
You always come in last place!!!
I won 32 competitions ------------------------- Ben won 32 times - Vince won nothing!!! mmhhhhh
very difficult question here but I will ask everybody.
"Who do you think is the looser here????
32 wins. Are you or have you received your IFBB pro card???????
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I hate to take the bait, Melvin, but you are not serious, are you?
This is an inside joke or something?
I'm not fucking around anymore. I've thrown some Emeril on my training and kicked it up to full gear. Nothing but freeweights with a touch of cables
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As far as any NPC national competitors are concerned, let me say it again
If any NPC athletes decide to compete at the B & A show, then you are putting your amatuer status and chance of being an IFBB pro in serious if no FATAL jeopardy.
If you want to throw all of your dreams of being an IFBB pro over "A CHANCE" of winning a crummy bicycle then go right ahead.
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I'm not fucking around anymore. I've thrown some Emeril on my training and kicked it up to full gear. Nothing but freeweights with a touch of cables
There's no way this fat fuck is gonna lead you to the Promised Land:
(http://vittlesvamp.typepad.com/photos/blog/emeril.jpg)
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If any NPC athletes decide to compete at the B & A show, then you are putting your amatuer status and chance of being an IFBB pro in serious if no FATAL jeopardy.
that's ok melvin, most people who enter NPC contests have no expectations of turning pro
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I am surprised that people on here still actually thinks that Goodrum is anything more than a gimmick account.
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I am surprised that people on here still actually thinks that Goodrum is anything more than a gimmick account.
Can't take him seriously, but he *does* exist in real life. That separates him from all the other anonymous gimmicks.
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that's ok melvin, most people who enter NPC contests have no expectations of turning pro
At least they had "a chance". Doing this show will most likely put them in the "never" catagory.
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Can't take him seriously, but he *does* exist in real life. That separates him from all the other anonymous gimmicks.
Oh, I know he exists, doesn't mean he is serious about what he says. No one on the planet is that delusional. He is here just to piss people off and bait them. Just a gimmick who happens to be a real person.
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I don't care who's in that division, they are going to get their asses kicked. I've upgraded quite a bit in the past 2 years and even at the O, people did realize that I packed on the muscle mass.
When its all said and done, I'll be headed to the Nationals. Be sure to take pictures
What did you do have you pale fag boyfriend Queen Vissy hit them in their ankles with a bat while he sucking them off. That really is the only way you will ever have a chance of taking anything but last place. Face it boy you were born a loser and you will always be a loser.
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LMAO Onlyme man you have away with words esp when it comes to ya boy. ;D
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LMAO Onlyme man you have away with words esp when it comes to ya boy. ;D
Keith is just a fat joke, and a diabetic living heart attack waiting to happen.
If I was him, I would hang myself....but with a big heavy steel chain so it wouldn't break under the crushing weight
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Keith is just a fat joke, and a diabetic living heart attack waiting to happen.
If I was him, I would hang myself....but with a big heavy steel chain so it wouldn't break under the crushing weight
You = on fire today.
;D
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Keith is just a fat joke, and a diabetic living heart attack waiting to happen.
If I was him, I would hang myself....but with a big heavy steel chain so it wouldn't break under the crushing weight
hahaha nice try monkey. Now go lick your pale white AIDS ridden boyfriend Queer Vissy. You think with all the fags you have been with you'd have AIDS by now and a lot skinnier.
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haha Epic battle between a fatty and some black fag.
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hahaha nice try monkey. Now go lick your pale white AIDS ridden boyfriend Queer Vissy. You think with all the fags you have been with you'd have AIDS by now and a lot skinnier.
Maybe Vince gave himself AIDS so he could get steroids legally. To bad he forgot the anti-estrogens. :-X
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haha Epic battle between a fatty and some black fag.
Join in then we can have skinny sand-black too
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Another example of pros competing in the NPC, someone whom I pointed out earlier in this thread, so the NPC should have known about it.
Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico): Competed as a pro this past November in Musclemania. Now this past weekend he competed as an amteur in Lindsey's own California Championships.
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hahaha nice try monkey. Now go lick your pale white AIDS ridden boyfriend Queer Vissy. You think with all the fags you have been with you'd have AIDS by now and a lot skinnier.
Your the only one who's pathetic enough to say that your weight problem is due to a spider that bit you 10 years ago..... ::)
Keith, when you die from that massive coronary heart attack, spider bite or just from choking on a doughnut...whichever comes first, they are going to have to bury your fat ass in a refrigerator........
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Another example of pros competing in the NPC, someone whom I pointed out earlier in this thread, so the NPC should have known about it.
Rico Elbaz (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Elbaz,+Rico): Competed as a pro this past November in Musclemania. Now this past weekend he competed as an amteur in Lindsey's own California Championships.
If your goal is to provide a list for the NPC, you're doing a good job...why do you insist on wanting to get the athletes in trouble?
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If your goal is to provide a list for the NPC, you're doing a good job...why do you insist on wanting to get the athletes in trouble?
if the NPC was really interested in protecting the purity of their amateur contests, they could and should have been using my website for years and years now.
I'm also providing evidence to athletes that the NPC only enforces rules when it suits them, or is much better at making threats than actually carrying through with them, which may encourage the athlete to stand up to any bullying they do receive.
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Your the only one who's pathetic enough to say that your weight problem is due to a spider that bit you 10 years ago..... ::)
Keith, when you die from that massive coronary heart attack, spider bite or just from choking on a doughnut...whichever comes first, they are going to have to bury your fat ass in a refrigerator........
The thing is I have an excuse. What is yours? You have none. You look like shit and you pretend to have all this knowledge and experience when in fafct you have none. Face it Goodrum, you are the poster-child for "LOSER". You have absolutely not one thing going for you in life. Now that sucks.
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The thing is I have an excuse. What is yours? You have none. You look like shit and you pretend to have all this knowledge and experience when in fafct you have none. Face it Goodrum, you are the poster-child for "LOSER". You have absolutely not one thing going for you in life. Now that sucks.
Being a lazy fat fuck isn't exactly an excuse, Keith. The fact is that you can't even wipe your own ass without taping a roll of toilet paper to a stick.
You are one sad floppy piece of shit and no one loves you except Duncan Hines.
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If your goal is to provide a list for the NPC, you're doing a good job...why do you insist on wanting to get the athletes in trouble?
FFS Chick it's called Fukin RULES sort of like that benign IFBB Drug Rule.
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if the NPC was really interested in protecting the purity of their amateur contests, they could and should have been using my website for years and years now.
I'm also providing evidence to athletes that the NPC only enforces rules when it suits them, or is much better at making threats than actually carrying through with them, which may encourage the athlete to stand up to any bullying they do receive.
How do you know that the NPC doesn't punish athletes for competing in different organizations???? They don't announce them and usually most athletes that are punished certainly don't talk about it.
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How do you know that the NPC doesn't punish athletes for competing in different organizations???? They don't announce them and usually most athletes that are punished certainly don't talk about it.
STUPID Fukin question How do you know they do???FFS IFBB RULES = NO FUKIN RULES. EXCEPT IF YOUR NAME IS PRIEST.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm
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How do you know that the NPC doesn't punish athletes for competing in different organizations????
because those athletes continue to compete in the NPC without interruption. some repeatedly go back and forth between pro in other orgs and amateur in the NPC.
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THats because most if not all of them fly under the radar, as there is no "task force" that witch hunts for these guys....except you, who continue to provide names to be watched and provide information.
If there are reprocussions, the athletes named can thank you personally for sheding light in their direction...
Good job.
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One simple way for the NPC to know if anyone has entered a show for money is to ask it on the registration sheet.
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THats because most if not all of them fly under the radar, as there is no "task force" that witch hunts for these guys....except you, who continue to provide names to be watched and provide information.
If there are reprocussions, the athletes named can thank you personally for sheding light in their direction...
Good job.
Would you think the SAME if it were Priest doing it?????Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Being a lazy fat fuck isn't exactly an excuse, Keith. The fact is that you can't even wipe your own ass without taping a roll of toilet paper to a stick.
You are one sad floppy piece of shit and no one loves you except Duncan Hines.
Actually being lazy is a great excuse. But you still don't have ANY excuse why you look the way you do. The sad part is you have been this way your whole life and it isn't getting any better for you nor will it. On top of that you never been laid by anything but another dude. So being a fat, a low life, no worth and no future you are fag. You were kicked out of the black race and if you keep it up you are going to get kicked out of the fag race. Then what? Animals. I already pity your neighbors dog.
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If there are reprocussions, the athletes named can thank you personally for sheding light in their direction...
Better to have rules that are applied consistently and equally rather than selectively. If the NPC finds that they're kicking out too many quality competitors, they may come to realize that it is a silly rule that no longer fits the times.
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And there is something to be said of letting sleeping dogs lie....an old rule that is rarely enforced/ outdated....unless some jackass chooses to make it an issue and supply a list of names, and make it an issue.
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And there is something to be said of letting sleeping dogs lie....an old rule that is rarely enforced/ outdated....unless some jackass chooses to make it an issue and supply a list of names, and make it an issue.
you might want to re-read the first few pages of this thread. your side made it an issue by threatening to use it against people entering the B&A show.
an old rule that is rarely enforced means that it is enforced when it suits someone's need. that in itself is unjust and reason to stand up against it.
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you might want to re-read the first few pages of this thread. your side made it an issue by threatening to use it against people entering the B&A show.
an old rule that is rarely enforced means that it is enforced when it suits someone's need. that in itself is unjust and reason to stand up against it.
No...it means it's enforced when it's a blatent move, or when someone chooses to provide a comprehensive list of when it occurs and by which athletes. You're like a guy filming his neigbors running through the neighborhood stop sign and showing the police...you know, to make sure other people arent getting singled out by getting a ticket.
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No...it means it's enforced when it's a blatent move, or when someone chooses to provide a comprehensive list of when it occurs and by which athletes. You're like a guy filming his neigbors running through the neighborhood stop sign and showing the police...you know, to make sure other people arent getting singled out by getting a ticket.
sorry, I don't think anyone will see me as the bad guy here. my website has been around for over 10 years. me pointing out the many dozen examples of the NPC not enforcing their own rules simply provides evidence to anyone wanting to stand up to your bullying.
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Can't we all just get along? :'(
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sorry, I don't think anyone will see me as the bad guy here. my website has been around for over 10 years. me pointing out the many dozen examples of the NPC not enforcing their own rules simply provides evidence to anyone wanting to stand up to your bullying.
You keep telling yourself that....no one was going to your site to reference what shows amateurs were entering. By you you continuing to put these names in the spotlight, you're possibly their worst enemy...if anyone on your list is held accountable...they have you to thank.
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Hey Chick who can Priest thank???.Fukin Rules for some but not for others.Go and read the Fukin Rule Book. ::)
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Hey Chick who can Priest thank???.Fukin Rules for some but not for others.Go and read the Fukin Rule Book. ::)
Priest has himself to thank for his own actions....like we all do.
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You keep telling yourself that....no one was going to your site to reference what shows amateurs were entering. By you you continuing to put these names in the spotlight, you're possibly their worst enemy...if anyone on your list is held accountable...they have you to thank.
You mean like these guys.HAHAHAHAHAHA 4500 reads and still going sort of makes you think you should not have mentioned this show doesn't it.Backfire I call that.Nice work Ben Should be better than IFBB Grand Prix shows and with more Prize Money.
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Yes Vince I won a Pro card in every Organization back in the 80s also IFBB but I never competed as a Pro.
I made a lot of money as an Amateur and thought it would be better to be a great Amateur than an average Pro.I knew I did not have the genetics to be Mr.Olympia and I did not see me doing crazy juice stuff to chase after a dream which would never happened and in the end I would only get sick.
I decided to go clean after 93 and competed Natural some years ago.
I also do not understand what you always have with only winning a motorcycle.The motorcycle is a give away at the Party.We are giving out 3 new cars or $10000 for the overall winners and $1000 for all class winners so get your facts straight.
Anyway i will not fight with anybody anymore about our show.You have your opinion and we do.
I will however remind everybody about our show once a week.
Thank you all for your support.
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Yes Vince I won a Pro card in every Organization back in the 80s also IFBB but I never competed as a Pro.
I made a lot of money as an Amateur and thought it would be better to be a great Amateur than an average Pro.I knew I did not have the genetics to be Mr.Olympia and I did not see me doing crazy juice stuff to chase after a dream which would never happened and in the end I would only get sick.
I decided to go clean after 93 and competed Natural some years ago.
I also do not understand what you always have with only winning a motorcycle.The motorcycle is a give away at the Party.We are giving out 3 new cars or $10000 for the overall winners and $1000 for all class winners so get your facts straight.
Anyway i will not fight with anybody anymore about our show.You have your opinion and we do.
I will however remind everybody about our show once a week.
Thank you all for your support.
Ben
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
You won your pro card in the IFBB and never competed in any pro event. What a pathetic waste of a bodybuilding career. You've accomplished practically nothing in your life.
And don't give me that shit about the going drug free route. Like I said, you are nothing more than a weak minded fool and just like the saying goes....a fool and his money are soon parted.
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You won your pro card in the IFBB and never competed in any pro event. What a pathetic waste of a bodybuilding career. You've accomplished practically nothing in your life.
And don't give me that shit about the going drug free route. Like I said, you are nothing more than a weak minded fool and just like the saying goes....a fool and his money are soon parted.
Hey monkey, I bet you heard this your whole life. I didn't include the money part since you think $100 is a lot it is evident you have no idea about money. You are just a pathetic nobody who is as stupid as they come. Sorry boy just stating the acts.
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do you really know what free weights are jackass
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This Comp pays more than IFBB Pro Grand Prix shows.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm.No wonder they don't want people supporting it.It's money from BB they don't get the dirty fat fingers on.
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Today in 5 weeks we make Amateur Bodybuilding history!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
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Nice work Ben tell us again how much money can the guys and gals make 10k hmmmmmmmmmmm.Sounds great.Keep up the good work BB needs people like you.
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Today in 5 weeks we make Amateur Bodybuilding history!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
I don't think so. By the way, I couldn't find any posters hanging up about your show, .....wonder why.... ;)
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sorry, I don't think anyone will see me as the bad guy here.
You're gay.
It's bad to be gay.
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Today in 5 weeks we make Amateur Bodybuilding history!!!
www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com
Ben the beginnings are never easy, your competition is the start of important changes in the sport
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Ben the beginnings are never easy, your competition is the start of important changes in the sport
Well, best of luck at the PDI....whoops....WBF.... .whoops.....contest.
Many have challenged the IFBB and tried to trash talk their way into getting people to compete but all have failed. You can't built an organization on negativity
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Organisations such as the IFBB thrive and prosper through negativity.
Underpinning the IFBB ideology is negativity. Hence, its incredible success!
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You can't built an organization on negativity
I hate you and look at me...I'm rich!
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Well, best of luck at the PDI....whoops....WBF.... .whoops.....contest.
Many have challenged the IFBB and tried to trash talk their way into getting people to compete but all have failed. You can't built an organization on negativity
English Muttha Fukka.
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Well, best of luck at the PDI....whoops....WBF.... .whoops.....contest.
Many have challenged the IFBB and tried to trash talk their way into getting people to compete but all have failed. You can't built an organization on negativity
B&A is an entertainment company not a bodybuilding organization
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That's why they have MORE Money.
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You're gay.
It's bad to be gay.
Yes, Vince. Being gay is evil. Dating ugly trailer park trash makes you trash. You are nothing. Why cant you just go away. You act like you have some power and people listen to you. NOBODY listens to you. DA almost beat your ass and you hid (its been confirmed by all present parties). YOU are a waste of life....
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Organisations such as the IFBB thrive and prosper through negativity.
Underpinning the IFBB ideology is negativity. Hence, its incredible success!
Exactly
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Organisations such as the IFBB thrive and prosper through negativity.
Underpinning the IFBB ideology is negativity. Hence, its incredible success!
now (my english sucks) I have understand you, brillant sentence, really
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I don't think so. By the way, I couldn't find any posters hanging up about your show, .....wonder why.... ;)
Hey Vince how is the investigation going with Arnolds letter mhhhhhhhhh it is still on our website,what does that mean dummy?
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B&A is an entertainment company not a bodybuilding organization
Finally someone understands it!
We are a Production company with no interest in becoming an Organization,how hard is that to understand?
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Ladies and gentleman,
only 4 1/2 weeks left until we make Amateur history!!!! You can talk all the trash in the World but you can not take that away from us.
B&A International Universe most rewarding Amateur Show in history!!!
BTW:
Don't be fooled by a certain Organization,no Organization will be loyal to you or cares about you.
Take a chance - TV - Magazine- Radio - Cars-Cash prizes - Motorcycle-Gifts- think about yourself,
99% of all Pros never make any money with Bodybuilding,here we are for the amateur Athletes!!
"Take a chance"!!!
http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com
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Hey Vince how is the investigation going with Arnolds letter mhhhhhhhhh it is still on our website,what does that mean dummy?
I actually have not checked up on it lately as I'm helping with a charity fundraiser at the moment to worry about a low grade event. However, unless Arnold is actually going to be in attendence, it really doesn't mean shit whether the letter is legit or not.
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Ladies and gentleman,
only 4 1/2 weeks left until we make Amateur history!!!! You can talk all the trash in the World but you can not take that away from us.
B&A International Universe most rewarding Amateur Show in history!!!
BTW:
Don't be fooled by a certain Organization,no Organization will be loyal to you or cares about you.
Take a chance - TV - Magazine- Radio - Cars-Cash prizes - Motorcycle-Gifts- think about yourself,
99% of all Pros never make any money with Bodybuilding,here we are for the amateur Athletes!!
"Take a chance"!!!
http://www.internationalclassicslasvegas.com
It won't be a chance whatsoever If ANY NPC athlete competes in this event, then your amateur status will be null and void....meaning you will never have a chance to become an IFBB pro athlete.
The promoter wants you to "take a chance" because he doesn't care whether you are banned from the NPC or not.....its shameless
Any NPC athlete that competes in this show will never have the chance to join the IFBB ranks of Larry Scott, Arnold Schwartznegger, Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Mike Mentzer, Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler, Jay Cutlet....etc.
Your career will essentially be finished. If you compete, you will in my opinion will be blackballing yourself from competition....FOR LIFE.
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If ANY NPC athlete competes in this event, then your amateur status will be null and void....meaning you will never have a chance to become an IFBB pro athlete.
there are well over 300 athletes competing in the NPC USA the day before. Two men and a handful of women will receive pro cards. Most NPC athletes have no expectation of ever turning pro. And many of those competing in this year's USA know it's their last major contest. They're ready to move on with their life. For them, the B&A show is a great opportunity for one last hurrah and perhaps to make a little money.
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Any NPC athlete that competes in this show will never have the chance to join the IFBB ranks of Larry Scott, Arnold Schwartznegger, Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Mike Mentzer, Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler, Jay Cutlet....etc.
you are right, 90% of the bodybuilders have this dreams and don't see reality
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you are right, 90% of the bodybuilders have this dreams and don't see reality
Better it be a SLIM chance then a NONE chance.
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there are well over 300 athletes competing in the NPC USA the day before. Two men and a handful of women will receive pro cards. Most NPC athletes have no expectation of ever turning pro. And many of those competing in this year's USA know it's their last major contest. They're ready to move on with their life. For them, the B&A show is a great opportunity for one last hurrah and perhaps to make a little money.
Tim, unless you've competed before please shut the fuck up and stop collecting unemployment checks.
Yes, there are only 2 men that win a pro card at the USA but only one person is going to get that motorcycle. HOWEVER, ALL NPC ATHLETES THAT COMPETE IN THIS CRAP SHOW WILL WIN A TRIP OUT OF THE NPC.
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Better it be a SLIM chance then a NONE chance.
nothing of the money in the bodybuilding industry goes to the bodybuilders,
I wish a big success to Ben's contest, for to change this system
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Tim, unless you've competed before please shut the fuck up and stop collecting unemployment checks.
Yes, there are only 2 men that win a pro card at the USA but only one person is going to get that motorcycle. HOWEVER, ALL NPC ATHLETES THAT COMPETE IN THIS CRAP SHOW WILL WIN A TRIP OUT OF THE NPC.
Goodrum you haven't competed either so why don't you STFU. By the way how is the Queen ass tasting these days
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Tim, unless you've competed before please shut the fuck up and stop collecting unemployment checks.
Yes, there are only 2 men that win a pro card at the USA but only one person is going to get that motorcycle. HOWEVER, ALL NPC ATHLETES THAT COMPETE IN THIS CRAP SHOW WILL WIN A TRIP OUT OF THE NPC.
it is just a 1 year suspension and what is it with you and that motorcycle? This is only a gift at the party,
on stage you fight for a car or 10k cash dummy!
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HOWEVER, ALL NPC ATHLETES THAT COMPETE IN THIS CRAP SHOW WILL WIN A TRIP OUT OF THE NPC.
Kind of like Sean Allan competing as a pro in the PDI Night of Champions, then winning the NPC Junior Nationals ?
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Kind of like Sean Allan competing as a pro in the PDI Night of Champions, then winning the NPC Junior Nationals ?
Sean didn't win anything and he was suspended for a year because he begged the NPC to reinstate him. But do you think he'll be allowed to become an IFBB pro after what he did??? Nope...prob not. He'll win a few small shows but he'll never turn pro now.
Sean Allan may have won the Jr Nationals but he won't win the USA or Nationals.
Just to let you know, the IFBB and NPC have made it clear that no athlete is to compete in this show and that anyone who does will have to deal with the consequences. On paper, it will be a 1 year suspension but the reality will be that those folks will never become IFBB pros.
Get the picture now???
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Sean didn't win anything and he was suspended for a year because he begged the NPC to reinstate him. But do you think he'll be allowed to become an IFBB pro after what he did??? Nope...prob not. He'll win a few small shows but he'll never turn pro now.
Sean Allan may have won the Jr Nationals but he won't win the USA or Nationals.
Just to let you know, the IFBB and NPC have made it clear that no athlete is to compete in this show and that anyone who does will have to deal with the consequences. On paper, it will be a 1 year suspension but the reality will be that those folks will never become IFBB pros.
Get the picture now???
what Vince saying is that the NPC is really an Organization to be proud of!!!
When this is all over I have a lot to say and it ain't no pretty,
We had to send our kids to Europe for safety reasons................. .........
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Sean didn't win anything and he was suspended for a year because he begged the NPC to reinstate him. But do you think he'll be allowed to become an IFBB pro after what he did??? Nope...prob not. He'll win a few small shows but he'll never turn pro now.
Sean Allan may have won the Jr Nationals but he won't win the USA or Nationals.
Just to let you know, the IFBB and NPC have made it clear that no athlete is to compete in this show and that anyone who does will have to deal with the consequences. On paper, it will be a 1 year suspension but the reality will be that those folks will never become IFBB pros.
Get the picture now???
Stop acting like you have a clue.
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what Vince saying is that the NPC is really an Organization to be proud of!!!
When this is all over I have a lot to say and it ain't no pretty,
We had to send our kids to Europe for safety reasons................. .........
Why wait till it's over?...say what you want now.
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Vince , you are not doing the show because it will ruin your chances of turning pro ?
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Sean Allen competed in another organization and did his 1-year suspension. He weighed the consequences and to him, it was worth it. He got to stand onstage alongside Lee Priest and Sami and Frey in front of 1500 people in New York City. He got some coverage and exposure and he got to share the stage with Lee Priest, one of the best ever. And Sean held his own up there.
Sean did his time. He came back and he won Jr Nats. He's a favorite for top 5 nationals or USA, and could win a pro card. With his height, if he nails conditioning, he might win, even though his legs are a little behind.
If someone wants to do this show and lose 1 year of eligibility, it's their choice. I don't see what it matters to most of you... If Joe Blow wants to quit working at teh cracker factory and work at the box factory, do you tease and threaten him? Or do you just let a man be a man, and make his choices to find some dollars?
I'd say we sit back and watch the ride.
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what Vince saying is that the NPC is really an Organization to be proud of!!!
When this is all over I have a lot to say and it ain't no pretty,
We had to send our kids to Europe for safety reasons................. .........
No, what I'm saying is my opinion as I don't have control or say in NPC or IFBB policy. However, when they make an announcement to all of its athletes to not compete at a particular show, you better not do it if you value your continued success in that same league.
That's the same for all professional sports organizations, NPC policy is that an amateur athlete cannot compete for prizes. Those who ignore the rules have to pay the consequences which would extend beyond a 1 yr suspension.
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Sean Allen competed in another organization and did his 1-year suspension. He weighed the consequences and to him, it was worth it. He got to stand onstage alongside Lee Priest and Sami and Frey in front of 1500 people in New York City. He got some coverage and exposure and he got to share the stage with Lee Priest, one of the best ever. And Sean held his own up there.
Sean did his time. He came back and he won Jr Nats. He's a favorite for top 5 nationals or USA, and could win a pro card. With his height, if he nails conditioning, he might win, even though his legs are a little behind.
If someone wants to do this show and lose 1 year of eligibility, it's their choice. I don't see what it matters to most of you... If Joe Blow wants to quit working at teh cracker factory and work at the box factory, do you tease and threaten him? Or do you just let a man be a man, and make his choices to find some dollars?
I'd say we sit back and watch the ride.
Sean Allen will not win no matter how well he shows up. Sorry, but I'd doubt the judges will allow him to turn pro although I can always be wrong.
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before speaking well of the IFBB read this:
less then 1% bodybuilders become IFBB professionals
90% of the IFBB professionals doesn't earn in the career a single dollar in prize money
less than the 1% of the money from the bodybuilding industry go to bodybuilders
this in USA, Italy and everywhere
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No, what I'm saying is my opinion as I don't have control or say in NPC or IFBB policy. However, when they make an announcement to all of its athletes to not compete at a particular show, you better not do it if you value your continued success in that same league.
That's the same for all professional sports organizations, NPC policy is that an amateur athlete cannot compete for prizes. Those who ignore the rules have to pay the consequences which would extend beyond a 1 yr suspension.
Vince you haven't had any success in BB or anything. You should do the show. You could be the joke in this show too like you are in the other shows you entered (not to compete but see guys in thongs backstage and apply Protan). You aren't exactly someone who should preach about anything that has "sucess" involved. Hope this helps.
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Sean Allen will not win no matter how well he shows up. Sorry, but I'd doubt the judges will allow him to turn pro although I can always be wrong.
Although it's not a direct path to a top placing at the USAs in the same calendar year, Big Sean just won the NPC Jr. Nationals, one of the top-5 NPC/IFBB (amateur) events each year.
Please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. If what you're trying to claim about the judges was true, he would not have won the show. They obviously judged what they saw on the stage last weekend in Chicago and did not just his past.
That's what professionals do, Goodrum. Get with the program.
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Although it's not a direct path to a top placing at the USAs in the same calendar year, Big Sean just won the NPC Jr. Nationals, one of the top-5 NPC/IFBB (amateur) events each year.
Please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. If what you're trying to claim about the judges was true, he would not have won the show. They obviously judged what they saw on the stage last weekend in Chicago and did not just his past.
That's what professionals do, Goodrum. Get with the program.
How can he get with a program he is can't relate too.
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No, what I'm saying is my opinion as I don't have control or say in NPC or IFBB policy. However, when they make an announcement to all of its athletes to not compete at a particular show, you better not do it if you value your continued success in that same league.
it is amazing how a gay black man can be such a conformist, have such deference to 'the man'.
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Vince,
What evidence do you have that there will be lifetime bans for B&A athletes?
You said the same thing about PDI athletes. Priest is back this year at the Atlantic Pro, Sean Allen is back and winning one of the top amateur shows.
Is the person who asked you to share the BA info, the same person who asked you to share the PDI info? If so, why do you consider them reliable when they were proven wrong last time?
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Vince,
What evidence do you have that there will be lifetime bans for B&A athletes?
You said the same thing about PDI athletes. Priest is back this year at the Atlantic Pro, Sean Allen is back and winning one of the top amateur shows.
Is the person who asked you to share the BA info, the same person who asked you to share the PDI info? If so, why do you consider them reliable when they were proven wrong last time?
The show hasn't taken place so the answer is obviously none. No rules have been broken yet...... ::)
However NPC rules clearly state that any NPC athlete that competes in a bodybuilding event for prizes will forfeit their status as an amatuer athlete as they would be considered a professional.
The NPC and IFBB have also advised the athletes not to compete in this show, what more does anyone need to know that they are serious.
Honestly the B&A show would not be an issue except that the promoter is running the show on the very same weekend in the same area and in similar venues as the NPC USA. Obviously it was done to piss off the NPC and IFBB which they accomplished and very pathetic in my opinion. Using the USA event as leverage to promote his own show.
So if an NPC athlete values their career, they had better not be stupid enough to enter the B&A show....period. Or they'll face the consequences which could be anything and everything. You might get a slap on the wrist or they may throw the book at you. Point being is competing in the B&A will be detrimental to their career.
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it is amazing how a gay black man can be such a conformist, have such deference to 'the man'.
The NPC a bodybuilding organization that has rules and its a pretty simple rule to not compete in a show that isn't sanctioned by the NPC. If you don't want to follow the rules then don't join the NPC and save 95 dollars..... ::)
Its not the fucking N.A.A.C.P or G.L.A.D so don't make it out like that..... ::).
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you are obsessed with the IFBB and want us to have your same obsession
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The NPC a bodybuilding organization that has rules and its a pretty simple rule to not compete in a show that isn't sanctioned by the NPC.
you need to keep your rules straight. the 1982 settlement between the AAU and Manion makes it illegal for the NPC to discriminate against those who enter 'non-sanctioned' events. It is perfectly ok to enter a NABBA or Musclemania contest, which are not 'sanctioned' by the NPC. the only thing with the B&A event that the NPC can harp on is that there are prizes, which they claim makes it a pro event. what has been discussed to death in this thread is whether amateur vs pro has any meaning today. Pros athletes compete in the Olympics. And the NPC would have no problem with a pro from another sport entering an amateur contest. that the NPC has been very inconsistent in enforcing any amateur vs pro rule makes it difficult for them to enforce it in the future.
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you need to keep your rules straight. the 1982 settlement between the AAU and Manion makes it illegal for the NPC to discriminate against those who enter 'non-sanctioned' events. It is perfectly ok to enter a NABBA or Musclemania contest, which are not 'sanctioned' by the NPC. the only thing with the B&A event that the NPC can harp on is that there are prizes, which they claim makes it a pro event. what has been discussed to death in this thread is whether amateur vs pro has any meaning today. Pros athletes compete in the Olympics. And the NPC would have no problem with a pro from another sport entering an amateur contest. that the NPC has been very inconsistent in enforcing any amateur vs pro rule makes it difficult for them to enforce it in the future.
That lawsuit was between the NPC and the AAU with its amateur league did not offer prizes or a winnings purse.
The B&A show however is not.
See the difference??? Now why don't you go and find a job???
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That lawsuit was between the NPC and the AAU with its amateur league did not offer prizes or a winnings purse.
The B&A show however is not.
See the difference??? Now why don't you go and find a job???
which is what I wrote, and not what you wrote. I'll get a job when you learn to read.
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That lawsuit was between the NPC and the AAU with its amateur league did not offer prizes or a winnings purse.
The B&A show however is not.
See the difference??? Now why don't you go and find a job???
Hey Monkey, cause you won the Best Black guy at the recent Dipshit County Faire and your very ugly pale white retarded boyfriend gets paid for Bukake sessions, does that make you a professional. Just wondering. And why do you insist on making a fool out of yourself by posting anything related to bodybuilding. Thanks in advance
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Vince , you are not doing the show because it will ruin your chances of turning pro ?
he isn't allowed to do any show cause he would ruin that show. The only reason why any promoter would let Goodrum enter is because it is free money and they save on buying a trophy cause they know he will never win. Goodrum is the ONLY person I have ever seen brag about taking 5th place out of 5 entrants. I can guarantee he will NEVER ever place at any contest higher than the last entrant in his class. That is 100% guaranteed.
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he isn't allowed to do any show cause he would ruin that show. The only reason why any promoter would let Goodrum enter is because it is free money and they save on buying a trophy cause they know he will never win. Goodrum is the ONLY person I have ever seen brag about taking 5th place out of 5 entrants. I can guarantee he will NEVER ever place at any contest higher than the last entrant in his class. That is 100% guaranteed.
The problem is, many shows, anyone, I mean anyone, can enter.
No qualifier necessary.
We had a kid who was so bad once, and was going to enter the day of our show, I figuered he was gonna embarrass himself so badly, it would have been legendary.
I tactfully encouraged him to enter the following year, and had him operate the curtains at that day's show.
Maybe someone here should take this as his cue?
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he isn't allowed to do any show cause he would ruin that show. The only reason why any promoter would let Goodrum enter is because it is free money and they save on buying a trophy cause they know he will never win. Goodrum is the ONLY person I have ever seen brag about taking 5th place out of 5 entrants. I can guarantee he will NEVER ever place at any contest higher than the last entrant in his class. That is 100% guaranteed.
Did he really take 5 out of 5?
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I hope that none of the passionate people arguing here were the ones that made threats.