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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bodybuilder1234 on June 14, 2008, 10:41:46 AM
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DVD screencaps is the first one
Second picture is a representation of how they would of looked in real life.
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Midtone & contrast..
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BSN products destroyed Ronnie's physique
I hope you're happy wth yourself . . .
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Awful shot of Kevin right there.
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actually, screencaps always look different in a photographers photo no matter what contest you moron.
the screencaps themselves are much better than any photographers picture (with blinding camera flash).
eg. 93 olympia screecap vs magazine photo. look totally different. both are 'real life' and neither is faked.
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this is old news and true of each and every contest..
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DVD screencaps is the first one
Second picture is a representation of how they would of looked in real life.
ps you are also comparing a PREJUDGING shot to a NIGHT SHOW shot.
different lighting if you watch the video.
night show was much darker..
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for mrgetbig iii we need to use screen caps instead of photos then
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its amazing the lengths that idiots will go to to come up with every possible excuse to somehow discredit how good Ronnie looked in 1999.
its funny, people bitch about seeing yet another Ronnie vs dorian thread, yet they are so consumed by the fact that Ronnie 99 was so much better they have to figure out ways in which to discredit his 99 showing..
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for mrgetbig iii we need to use screen caps instead of photos then
why not
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lets not forget the fact that dorian trains harder than ronnie
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its amazing the lengths that idiots will go to to come up with every possible excuse to somehow discredit how good Ronnie looked in 1999.
its funny, people bitch about seeing yet another Ronnie vs dorian thread, yet they are so consumed by the fact that Ronnie 99 was so much better they have to figure out ways in which to discredit his 99 showing..
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show me in the thread where I am discrediting Ronnie please
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ps you are also comparing a PREJUDGING shot to a NIGHT SHOW shot.
different lighting if you watch the video.
night show was much darker..
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Sorry, if I was at the show Ronnie would look nothing like the first picture.
The second picture is a better representation of how he would of looked if you were actually right in front of him
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Another example which seems more accurate:
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DVD screencaps is the first one
Second picture is a representation of how they would of looked in real life.
Ronnie still dominated and looks great in both pics. Different kinds of cameras = different quality.
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show me in the thread where I am discrediting Ronnie please
by definition.
if you are saying that the screencaps where Ronnie looks amazing are nothing like what they looked like 'in real life' (sic) then you are discrediting the way he looked by implying that he didn't really look like that.
the problem is that screencaps ARE real life - they way he appeared close up on the DVD is the way he appears live and in person.
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its amazing the lengths that idiots will go to to come up with every possible excuse to somehow discredit how good Ronnie looked in 1999.
no one should discredit ronnie in 99.
he looked amazing - one of the best appearances ever (eventhough, i prefer 03).
but, the reality is, those screen caps, where ronnie is dark are strange.
they don't match the other screen caps, pictures, etc.
i understand that they are different media sources, but if 2 sets of pics are from dvd's, then they should both be pretty fucking similar, instead of one being much different.
that's the issue.
it has (and should not) nothing to do with trying to discredit ronnie.
anyone, if if they hate ronnie, can see how great a bber he was in 99.
but the facts are the facts.
even though i prefer dorian, i won't deny ronnie, but the fact remains that those pics are strange.
even if other pics "proove" ronnie was better, those pics are still strange.
(by the way, i'm not referring to the screen caps above with ronnie in the blue shorts, but much darker pics of ronnie at the night show in the purple trunks).
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Well, ForcedReps was the first person (as far as we know) to post screencaps from the contest, and this is what he said to you IceCold regarding the differences LOL:
Ok, one more time I give away 5 minutes of my life and step down to the retarded level of internet fanboy bodybuilding.
Time to *own* you skinny little bitch again
Here you go skinny little nerd
The quality of the youtube clips from muscledvd are taken from a VHS tape jackass.
How can you say stuff like ***HERE IS THE ENTIRE ROUTINE AND IN NO WAY DO THEY MATCH THE PICS HULKSTER HAS BEEN POSTING SINCE PAGE 18***
Are you blind ?
BTW caps lock is for retards, your BS will still look not more important you nerd
Sure the quality of the youtube videos are not the same like the DVD or a good DVD rip cause youtube vids are always very strong compressed but hell, even a idiot like you should be able to see that coleman still looks nearly the same like on my pics.
Here is the source that I've used to make my pics, Like I said all is legit even if a few yates hardcore nut-huggers have a hard time to believe that.
OK DVD rip.
http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html
Password = www.fittimpo.cz
DL it, take pics with bs player like I have done and if your pics look like mine then you are retarded but most of the ppl here already know that
Here is one of the so called DVD clips from muscledvd on youtube.
If you would have opened your eyes before you have talked BS then you would have noticed the Hi-Fi at the start in the right upper corner you little retarded internet bodybuilder.
DVD's/DVD players don't do that, only retarded VHS recorders so the source of the youtube clip is crapy VHS but how could you know that ?
You must live under a stone, I bet you have never seen a DVD player or a VHS recorder in your entire life so you have a good excuse this time
IceCold you are just a retard if you think that a VHS rip is more legit than a ok DVD rip.
Yeah the nick of the guy from your youtube link is muscledvd so the clip must be from a DVD LOL!!!!!
Great work Dr.Watson
Holy fucking christ, you must be the king of the retards here LOL!!!!
BTW, why have you still not downloaded this DVD rip ?
http://rapidshare.de/files/34357800/1999_olymp.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34362584/1999_olymp.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/34364476/1999_olymp.part3.rar.html
Password = www.fittimpo.cz
Too stupid to dl from rapidshare, LMAO!!!!!!!!!
DL it take pics and STFU you skinny assclown
That was the source for my screenshots, yeah I know GMV ( producers of the olympia tapes/DVD's ) have faked the olympia video too that all the yates fanboys like you and NarcissisticDeity etc.... have something to bitch
Sorry ND, first I thought you can use facts to defend your idol but after I have seen your line ***Countdown to the excues........5........4 .........3...... *** I can only say you are just another irritated yates fanboy that cannot accept evidences in form of legit pics/videos.
I thought your idol yates looks so much better than coleman in 1999 so why do you come up with crap like faked vids now ?
Hahahahahaha, I bet you were shocked as hell after you have seen my pics the first time.
If you guys still need more evidence how coleman has looked at the 1999 Mr.O no problem.
Next week I'll take a few HQ screencaps 720x480 (NTSC) directly from the 1999 Mr.O DVD.
If that's still not enough evidence for you and for the mentally retarded skinny internet bodybuilder IceCold to show you guys that my pics were never faked then I'll upload the DVD VOB of the 1999 MR.O that shows the Pre-Judging round to shut the mouth of all the shit talkers here.
If you guys were shocked from my pics then I can promise you will hate those HQ DVD screencaps and the VOB file
I bet even this will not change the mind of IceCold and the other hardcore yates fanboys but hey it's worth a try.
Here is a little tip from me for all the nut-huggers.
If you want show how great your idol is/was use facts and don't come up with stupid excuses about faked vids/pics etc...., this let you guys just look like retarded internet fanboys
it is still just as funny as it was way back when it was posted! 8)
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the fact that you saved that from 2 years ago is pathetic.
besides, all forced reps did was tell us where he got the bullshit videos, trying to make us believe that his "dvd clips" were actual dvd clips, but did not match any of the other dvd clips.
he proved nothing other than he is a fucking idiot and you are more of one for thinking he has all the answers.
any moron can see that the dvd clips don't match up to any other dvd clips, let alone any other media source related to the 99 olympia.
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Dorian can own this anyday.
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but if 2 sets of pics are from dvd's, then they should both be pretty fucking similar, instead of one being much different.
Are you still going on about this shyt? One set of screencaps are from the Official VHS and the other set are from the Official DVD. If you cared to read what "forcedreps" posted in his reply, then you would understand. So read the post. It answers all of your dumb questions.
I have the same Official VHS and posted screencaps from the contest and they are a identical match. You didn't bytch when I posted them last year for everyone, but you bytch everytime Hulkster does.
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the fact that you saved that from 2 years ago is pathetic.
besides, all forced reps did was tell us where he got the bullshit videos, trying to make us believe that his "dvd clips" were actual dvd clips, but did not match any of the other dvd clips.
he proved nothing other than he is a fucking idiot and you are more of one for thinking he has all the answers.
any moron can see that the dvd clips don't match up to any other dvd clips, let alone any other media source related to the 99 olympia.
No, the fact that "forcedreps" cleared this up 2 years ago and you're still doubting everyone that they are "fake" pics is pathetic. Hulkster is just correcting your dumba$$ everytime you bring this shyt up.
Did you not read the f*cking post. One set is from the Official VHS and the other set is from the Official DVD. Is that shyt too hard to understand?
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if these pics are both from dvd sources, then explain why ronnie is a different color in the 1st pic?
WHY IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
YOU MORONS HAVE BEEN DODGING THAT ANSWER FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS
hulkser, you keep talking about forced reps - get his dick out of your mouth (he must be black), but yet you and all the other ronnie nuthuggers deny this fact that the pics dont match, but yet you claim that they are from the same fucking source?
how the fuck can 2 sets of pictures from the same source be that fucking different?
differently lighting?
it was at the same fucking show.
OWNED
until you can provide an explanation, shut the fuck up, and stop posting those fake pictures that were obvisouly adjusted from the initial dvd rip.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=256460;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=256977;image)
if these pics are both from dvd sources, then explain why ronnie is a different color in the 1st pic?
WHY IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
YOU MORONS HAVE BEEN DODGING THAT ANSWER FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS
hulkser, you keep talking about forced reps - get his dick out of your mouth (he must be black), but yet you and all the other ronnie nuthuggers deny this fact that the pics dont match, but yet you claim that they are from the same fucking source?
how the fuck can 2 sets of pictures from the same source be that fucking different?
differently lighting?
it was at the same fucking show.
OWNED
until you can provide an explanation, shut the fuck up, and stop posting those fake pictures that were obvisouly adjusted from the initial dvd rip.
Already been explained in the Truce thread.
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I believe that the responses by Hulkster to this thread are a good example of what you fellas commonly refer to as 'meltdown'. A good degree of paranoia at the very least. I don't believe the poster singled out Ronnie? Is it not now widely acknowledged that irrespective of whether you believe Ronnie is better than Dorian or vice versa, Hulkster has some deep seated mental issues?
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I believe that the responses by Hulkster to this thread are a good example of what you fellas commonly refer to as 'meltdown'. A good degree of paranoia at the very least. I don't believe the poster singled out Ronnie? Is it not now widely acknowledged that irrespective of whether you believe Ronnie is better than Dorian or vice versa, Hulkster has some deep seated mental issues?
Exactly, in no way shape or form did I discredit Ronnie.
I just showed a picture of a DVD screencap and a different picture (same contest) more reminiscent of how the judges saw it (how the bodybuilders would look if you sat on the front row which what matters).
Then all of a sudden Hulkster is calling me a moron and accusing me of downplaying how he looked ::)
Point is Hulkster, Ronnie did not look like that in real life disregarding how good he was. Hell he should be better face to face
Let's just put it this way, if someone spent 3/4s of their life arguing why Ronnie is superior than anyone else (whether it'd be Flex, Levrone or Dorian) the very sighting of a poster disagreeing with their past proverbial opinions on the subject would instantly induce meltdown.
It's pathetic
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I believe that the responses by Hulkster to this thread are a good example of what you fellas commonly refer to as 'meltdown'. A good degree of paranoia at the very least. I don't believe the poster singled out Ronnie? Is it not now widely acknowledged that irrespective of whether you believe Ronnie is better than Dorian or vice versa, Hulkster has some deep seated mental issues?
lol
CAN YOU READ, HULKSTER?
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the problem is that screencaps ARE real life - they way he appeared close up on the DVD is the way he appears live and in person.
Actually, film famously adds weight.
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I can see another thread where Hulkster is getting owned by everyone
its easy to get him to meltdown lol
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Flex got robbed so badly at the 99 Olympia. :-\
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I can see another thread where Hulkster is getting owned by everyone
its easy to get him to meltdown lol
All angles/lighting.
Always been always will be.
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Flex got robbed so badly at the 99 Olympia. :-\
Don't say that ! Hulkster will go over the edge and Flex thought he won
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Don't say that ! Hulkster will go over the edge and Flex thought he won
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ND fears ForceReps.
ps IceCold, I didn't 'save' the post from FR.
its called the 'search' feature, you blithering idiot.. ::)
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ND fears ForceReps.
ps IceCold, I didn't 'save' the post from FR.
its called the 'search' feature, you blithering idiot.. ::)
I don't fear anything not from you or anyone else , you're the idiot who knowlingly posted photoshopped pics , hey why did you stop posting them? ;)
Ummmm continue with the meltdown
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if these pics are both from dvd sources, then explain why ronnie is a different color in the 1st pic?
None of thoise pics are from the Official DVD. Those pics are from the Official VHS which is the same VHS that I have. The pre-judging and finals had a slight different lighting idiot. Get that through your empty skull.
You didn't own anyone. Read "forcedreps" posts again and you will see that you are a complete moron.
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None of thoise pics are from the Official DVD. Those pics are from the Official VHS which is the same VHS that I have. The pre-judging and finals had a slight different lighting idiot. Get that through your empty skull.
You didn't own anyone. Read "forcedreps" posts again and you will see that you are a complete moron.
Man you take this stuff way WAY to seriously lol I'm trying to decide who is worse you or Hulkster , I'd have to go with him he posts way more. lol kid lighten up
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lets not forget the fact that dorian trains harder than ronnie
HAHAHHAHAHA! But seriously who trained harder Ronnie or Dorian?
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HAHAHHAHAHA! But seriously who trained harder Ronnie or Dorian?
Donnie.
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Man you take this stuff way WAY to seriously lol I'm trying to decide who is worse you or Hulkster , I'd have to go with him he posts way more. lol kid lighten up
Actually, you take the cake on who is worse. You're on here all day posting. In case you haven't noticed, about 80% of getbig thinks this, LOL. Your post count speaks for itself.
Myself and others have showed the yates fanclub the VHS and DVD screencaps, but they still bytch. I showed you the VHS and DVD screencaps and you understand the difference. Why can't Icecold do the same? If anyone needs to lighten up, it's Icecold. Speak to your boy. He doesn't know the difference between VHS and DVD. So, I just correct him everytime he posts his crap. Maybe he really is a dumba$$, Nothing more.
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the dryness that Ronnie displayed in 99 is fucking unbelievable :o :o
looks like he had no skin.
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Actually, you take the cake on who is worse. You're on here all day posting. In case you haven't noticed, about 80% of getbig thinks this, LOL. Your post count speaks for itself.
Myself and others have showed the yates fanclub the VHS and DVD screencaps, but they still bytch. I showed you the VHS and DVD screencaps and you understand the difference. Why can't Icecold do the same? If anyone needs to lighten up, it's Icecold. Speak to your boy. He doesn't know the difference between VHS and DVD. So, I just correct him everytime he posts his crap. Maybe he really is a dumba$$, Nothing more.
Again you take this shit way to seriously you get all upset and angry start attacking people who don't agree I'm nothing like that and still sticking to argument ad populum huh? 80% of GetBig lol more weak logic
and again there have been so many different versions of the 99 contest which is the ' real ' ones? and Hulkster did knowingly use photoshopped pics that Bizzy tampered with ( countdown to he ' explains ' himself lol ) so again the claim 99 pics are photoshopped isn't wrong
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Exactly, in no way shape or form did I discredit Ronnie.
I just showed a picture of a DVD screencap and a different picture (same contest) more reminiscent of how the judges saw it (how the bodybuilders would look if you sat on the front row which what matters).
Then all of a sudden Hulkster is calling me a moron and accusing me of downplaying how he looked ::)
Point is Hulkster, Ronnie did not look like that in real life disregarding how good he was. Hell he should be better face to face
Let's just put it this way, if someone spent 3/4s of their life arguing why Ronnie is superior than anyone else (whether it'd be Flex, Levrone or Dorian) the very sighting of a poster disagreeing with their past proverbial opinions on the subject would instantly induce meltdown.
It's pathetic
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please. the whole purpose of this thread was to discredit the screencaps showing how awesome some of the competitors in 99 looked.
including Ronnie. who was the winner of the whole contest.
why else does this thread exist? ::)
because in case you didn't notice as I have shown you all screencaps from all contests look different than all magazine photos.
always have been.
always will be.
time to move on.
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I believe that the responses by Hulkster to this thread are a good example of what you fellas commonly refer to as 'meltdown'.
I love how any time someone corrects one of these idiots that the response is termed a 'meltdown' and dismissed rather than be called what it truly is:
a complete refutation of the points made in the post of the person in question..
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ron was better in 98
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Again you take this shit way to seriously you get all upset and angry start attacking people who don't agree I'm nothing like that and still sticking to argument ad populum huh? 80% of GetBig lol more weak logic
and again there have been so many different versions of the 99 contest which is the ' real ' ones? and Hulkster did knowingly use photoshopped pics that Bizzy tampered with ( countdown to he ' explains ' himself lol ) so again the claim 99 pics are photoshopped isn't wrong
You're comparing a VHS pic, Youtube pic and a DVD pic. I have both the VHS and DVD pics which is legit. As for the Youtube pic, why would anyone use a blurry , washed out pic to prove a point? LOL. What ever bizzy did to those few pics (that were removed) shouldn't make a difference because ever since forcedreps posted the VHS & DVD screencaps almost 2 years ago, the yates fan club cried "fake" pics like little bytches from day one. As for bizzy's few pics that were removed, I never used them anyway.
Ad populum? Opinions is all that we have in this. So using your logic then this whole sport wouldn't be a sport if there weren't any "numbers" involved (judging, scorecards, etc.). There goes your weak logic out the window again.
I correct people who post bs when they don't know what the hell they are talking about. You're acting like I'm the only one on getbig that does this, LOL. That's pretty much what almost everyone on getbig does, including yourself.
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actually, screencaps always look different in a photographers photo no matter what contest you moron.
the screencaps themselves are much better than any photographers picture (with blinding camera flash).
eg. 93 olympia screecap vs magazine photo. look totally different. both are 'real life' and neither is faked.
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this is old news and true of each and every contest..
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Screencaps look different because they are taken from video which has lower contrast than film. They are then over sharpened giving a false impression of how the athlete really looked.
Most photographers at shows don't use flash.
Scanning any photograph results in an unsharp image. Here's the same shot, over sharpened.
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Screencaps look different because they are taken from video which has lower contrast than film. They are then over sharpened giving a false impression of how the athlete really looked.
Most photographers at shows don't use flash.
Scanning any photograph results in an unsharp image. Here's the same shot, over sharpened.
watch this video clip.
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
it does NOT give a 'false representation' of how any of the athletes looked.
all the detail, vascularity ect that they show is real and as it existed.
except Flex who was full of oil 8).
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watch this video clip.
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Coleman/video/x3w9ak_ronnie-coleman-1999-mr-olympia-part_sport
it does NOT give a 'false representation' of how any of the athletes looked.
all the detail, vascularity ect that they show is real and as it existed.
except Flex who was full of oil 8).
I was there and there's no denying Ronnie looked incredible. But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked.
Best I ever saw Ronnie was the night before the 2002 Mr Olympia. Huge and shredded.
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I was there and there's no denying Ronnie looked incredible. But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked.
Best I ever saw Ronnie was the night before the 2002 Mr Olympia. Huge and shredded.
I would really shut up if I were Hulkster after this. He just got corrected and dismissed about the validity of the 1999 Olympia pics of Ronnie he likes to post so much by a professional bodybuilding photographer. You can't get an ownage better than this. This also means that Hulkster has lost that truce thread, since his entire argument revolves around those pics and they have been discredited. ;) 8)
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I would really shut up if I were Hulkster after this. He just got corrected and dismissed about the validity of the 1999 Olympia pics of Ronnie he likes to post so much by a professional bodybuilding photographer. You can't get an ownage better than this. This also means that Hulkster has lost that truce thread, since his entire argument revolves around those pics and they have been discredited. ;) 8)
I wouldn't go that far ;D
I'd add to the debate that neither Ronnie or Dorian presented their best physiques on stage. For me Ronnie looked his best the night before the 2002 Olympia and Dorian looked his best a couple of weeks before the 1995 Olympia.
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Screencaps look different because they are taken from video which has lower contrast than film. They are then over sharpened giving a false impression of how the athlete really looked.
Most photographers at shows don't use flash.
Scanning any photograph results in an unsharp image. Here's the same shot, over sharpened.
Hulkster = fucking pwned
Great post ! a graphic artist also said the screencaps have been unsharped and he presented this example
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I was there and there's no denying Ronnie looked incredible. But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked.
Best I ever saw Ronnie was the night before the 2002 Mr Olympia. Huge and shredded.
Great post Kevin thanks for clearing that up !
Kevin what happened to Ronnie before the show? thats the contest he came in depleted and almost lost to Levrone
Hulkster = fucking pwned part 2
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I would really shut up if I were Hulkster after this. He just got corrected and dismissed about the validity of the 1999 Olympia pics of Ronnie he likes to post so much by a professional bodybuilding photographer. You can't get an ownage better than this. This also means that Hulkster has lost that truce thread, since his entire argument revolves around those pics and they have been discredited. ;) 8)
Great post ! prepare for a meltdown of epic proportions lol
Hulkster = Royally owned
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You're comparing a VHS pic, Youtube pic and a DVD pic. I have both the VHS and DVD pics which is legit. As for the Youtube pic, why would anyone use a blurry , washed out pic to prove a point? LOL. What ever bizzy did to those few pics (that were removed) shouldn't make a difference because ever since forcedreps posted the VHS & DVD screencaps almost 2 years ago, the yates fan club cried "fake" pics like little bytches from day one. As for bizzy's few pics that were removed, I never used them anyway.
Ad populum? Opinions is all that we have in this. So using your logic then this whole sport wouldn't be a sport if there weren't any "numbers" involved (judging, scorecards, etc.). There goes your weak logic out the window again.
I correct people who post bs when they don't know what the hell they are talking about. You're acting like I'm the only one on getbig that does this, LOL. That's pretty much what almost everyone on getbig does, including yourself.
again the whole contention was there are so many different versions of the same contest which were the ' real ' ones a question you guys could never answer and when people start tampering with pictures it reeks of desperation period and thanks to Kevin for putting the final nail in the coffin for you guys ;)
and the whole argument ad populum is weak logic when you people claim a popular opinion is a right one its flat out wrong all it proves is its popular and thats all and the sport ironically is NOT judged by popular opinion it has a set criteria and the minority of people ( 13 judges ) choose who has the superior physique
perfect example the popular opinion is that Ronnie lost in 2001 did he? no does that make the masses right? no! popular opinion doesn't mean right opinion .
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Cormier was better than Flex that day ....
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Kevin what happened to Ronnie before the show? thats the contest he came in depleted and almost lost to Levrone
I have no idea but he looked amazing. It's the one time I thought Ronnie could have beaten Dorian. But that's both at their best, not how they looked on stage. One day I'll get round to scanning the shots I have of Dorian at what I consider his all time best and I've promised Kris Gethin at BB.com he can publish them on there.
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Cormier was better than Flex that day ....
I agree with that !
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I have no idea but he looked amazing. It's the one time I thought Ronnie could have beaten Dorian. But that's both at their best, not how they looked on stage. One day I'll get round to scanning the shots I have of Dorian at what I consider his all time best and I've promised Kris Gethin at BB.com he can publish them on there.
Kevin I'm begging you to scan these pics lol There are many great shots of Ronnie and fewer of Yates , I'd love to see ' new ' pics of Yates at his prime .
and how about some shots of Ronnie before the 02 Olympia? are any of them floating around?
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Kevin I'm begging you to scan these pics lol There are many great shots of Ronnie and fewer of Yates , I'd love to see ' new ' pics of Yates at his prime .
and how about some shots of Ronnie before the 02 Olympia? are any of them floating around?
I'll do it soon. Have to find them first then dust off the old scanner and try to remember how it works!
All the shots from the 2002 room shoot with several athletes and Joe Weider are gathering dust in the Weider archives.
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Great post ! a graphic artist also said the screencaps have been unsharped and he presented this example
Here's another example but with the left shot sharpened even more. Some people would consider it to use as an eample to prove how hard and grainy Dorian looked on the day. Others would see it as very bad Photoshop technique. ;D
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Here's another example but with the left shot sharpened even more. Some people would consider it to use as an eample to prove how hard and grainy Dorian looked on the day. Others would see it as very bad Photoshop technique. ;D
Exactly ! these guys keep posting these pics as proof positive of how great Ronnie was , and look no one was arguing he wasn't great just not as hard or as dry as he was in 98 or 2001 and I personally think he looks better fuller but these guys have tampered with the screencaps thats proven hopefully they will learn their lesson .
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Man, this is just an owning of epic proportions. LOL. Gotta love how Hulkster thinks he knows more than Kevin Horton ::)
P.S. Kevin, please scan those pictures of Dorian!
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Man, this is just an owning of epic proportions. LOL. Gotta love how Hulkster thinks he knows more than Kevin Horton ::)
P.S. Kevin, please scan those pictures of Dorian!
Yet another example of Hulkster getting corrected lol how much does he know about competitive bodybuilding again? ..................nothin g as usual
chalk another one up for " Team Yates "
Hulkster = dummy
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Man, this is just an owning of epic proportions. LOL. Gotta love how Hulkster thinks he knows more than Kevin Horton ::)
P.S. Kevin, please scan those pictures of Dorian!
I don't think that's Hulksters opinion but if it is that's fine, he's just wrong :-)
I just dug out the scanner only to find it needs a SCSI card - anyone remember those?
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I don't think that's Hulksters opinion but if it is that's fine, he's just wrong :-)
I just dug out the scanner only to find it needs a SCSI card - anyone remember those?
Oh that sucks lol I never heard of an scsi card
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LOL so, who "oversharpened" my VHS 99 Olympia tape? ::)
or the videos posted from the contest online? ::)
ps hey ND: if what they are claiming is true, then all the dorian screencaps are 'oversharpened' too:
and guess what?
he STILL has no detail and looks like garbage compared to Ronnie 99! LOL
::)
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who ever 'oversharpened' dorian's screencaps should have added a few inches of arm size while they were at it... :-\ ::)
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Exactly ! these guys keep posting these pics as proof positive of how great Ronnie was , and look no one was arguing he wasn't great just not as hard or as dry as he was in 98 or 2001 and I personally think he looks better fuller but these guys have tampered with the screencaps thats proven hopefully they will learn their lesson .
who has tampered with the 99 screencaps?
ForcedReps?
Bizzy?
Iceman?
all have posted excellent screencaps and just because they ALL crush dorian, you have been hoping and praying that they were 'faked' from day 1. Along with IceCold..
I guess now you have someone who will join your cause.. ::)
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kmhPhoto:
what exactly are you claiming?
that all these screencaps from 99 (and most other contests including the 93 olympia) are 'tampered with' or photoshopped?
or,
are you simply saying that how bodybuilders appear on film is different than how they appear in person up close?
these are two completely different things and as we can see, ND cannot tell the difference as he is orgasming over the idea that Ronnie may not have looked as good in 99 as he does in all the screencaps..
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who ever 'oversharpened' dorian's screencaps should have added a few inches of arm size while they were at it... :-\ ::)
His arms don't need the size ass clown ;)
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ps What ND has overlooked:
Ronnie appears better than dorian based on screencaps and videos - there are dorian screencaps and videos too.
even if the screencaps/videos make BOTH of them look a bit better, Ronnie is still going to look better than dorian in person too..
but ND is too busy freaking out to stop and realize this LOL
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His arms don't need the size ass clown ;)
they do if he is standing beside a 99 Ronnie Coleman.
in your shot he is standing beside..no one..
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hey ND, I am just giving you some time to figure out an excuse for when the 1999 Muscletime Ronnie pics get posted that blow away the 93 dorian muscletime pics.
because you are going to need some excuse, so starting figuring one out!
::)
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ps What ND has overlooked:
Ronnie appears better than dorian based on screencaps and videos - there are dorian screencaps and videos too.
even if the screencaps/videos make BOTH of them look a bit better, Ronnie is still going to look better than dorian in person too..
but ND is too busy freaking out to stop and realize this LOL
Given the sum of all visual evidence, Dorian looks superior. You just choose to post biased comparisons. ND is unbiased and fair, especially since he scanned all the pictures to begin with ::)
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they do if he is standing beside a 99 Ronnie Coleman.
in your shot he is standing beside..no one..
lol at your multiple post meltdown
I was there and there's no denying Ronnie looked incredible. But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked.
Best I ever saw Ronnie was the night before the 2002 Mr Olympia. Huge and shredded.
Did you glance over this post? moron the 99 Olympia screencaps you have been posting as ' proof ' are worked period , this is the second time Bizzy has been outted for fucking with pictures and Kevin confirmed what the graphic artist said about using the unsharp lol
Hulkster & Bizzy = pwned ;)
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kmhPhoto:
what exactly are you claiming?
that all these screencaps from 99 (and most other contests including the 93 olympia) are 'tampered with' or photoshopped?
or,
are you simply saying that how bodybuilders appear on film is different than how they appear in person up close?
these are two completely different things and as we can see, ND cannot tell the difference as he is orgasming over the idea that Ronnie may not have looked as good in 99 as he does in all the screencaps..
I haven't seen all the screen caps from every show, but a lot that have been put forward as evidence in various arguments have been.
How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
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hey ND, I am just giving you some time to figure out an excuse for when the 1999 Muscletime Ronnie pics get posted that blow away the 93 dorian muscletime pics.
because you are going to need some excuse, so starting figuring one out!
::)
But I have 95 shots that blow those away, and then in the Weider archives there are '02 shots of Ronnie that come close to blowing those away.
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hey ND, I am just giving you some time to figure out an excuse for when the 1999 Muscletime Ronnie pics get posted that blow away the 93 dorian muscletime pics.
because you are going to need some excuse, so starting figuring one out!
::)
I don't need excuses I don't fear ANYTHING you post of Ronnie 99 , I was posting 99 Olympia pics EONS ago well before you and your buddy were photoshopping pics ;)
99 Olympia means nothing to you and Bizzy , no one thinks thats his best just you idiots lol and no wonder why you think its his best the pics you're using are photoshopped LMMFAO
I can't wait for the Muscle Time pics because they won't be ANYTHING like the garbage you've been posting ;)
Question Ronnie what was your best Olympia?
Ronnie : I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on lol
Who cares about 1999? I don't Dorian at his best was BIGGER , HARDER , DRIER , BETTER BALANCED and a BETTER POSER . 1999 pales in comparison to Dorian at his best ;)
Hulkster = Busted
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I haven't seen all the screen caps from every show, but a lot that have been put forward as evidence in various arguments have been.
How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
exactly, that was the point of this thread...
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I haven't seen all the screen caps from every show, but a lot that have been put forward as evidence in various arguments have been.
How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
Thank you Great post ! pictures will NEVER replace actually being there.
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How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
Exactly. And since we are arguing with a person who's never even seen an IFBB contest, let alone a Mr. Olympia contest we can just assume this debate is over. Yates was and is superior 8)
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But I have 95 shots that blow those away, and then in the Weider archives there are '02 shots of Ronnie that come close to blowing those away.
Hulkster is getting hammered lol poor kid he's not to smart I feel bad for him lol
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Exactly. And since we are arguing with a person who's never even seen an IFBB contest, let alone a Mr. Olympia contest we can just assume this debate is over. Yates was and is superior 8)
Great post ! lol he came close once he caressed Nimrod King's calf lol does that count?
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Given the sum of all visual evidence, Dorian looks superior. You just choose to post biased comparisons. ND is unbiased and fair, especially since he scanned all the pictures to begin with ::)
Ha Ha Ha another classic post and true ! I scanned a lot of 99 Olympia pics I could care less about the 99 Olympia , him and Bizzy are the only guys claiming thats his best .
lol he's crushed someone call suicide prevention he's heading for the nearest bridge with a glossy singed 8X10 of Ronnie
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It is certainly true that the term meltdown is used far too often but even his biggest apologist would have to concede that it as an objective way as any of describing what Hulkster appears to be going through. The fact he is unable to acknowledge his own problems merely serves to reinforce this sad state of affairs. Does this guy not have a family who can offer him support? It's not really fair to mock him anymore - as fun as it can be.
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Thank you Great post ! pictures will NEVER replace actually being there.
yes, and thats why Neo and Iceman have quotes from 40 different pros/experts/writers etc who have all seen both Ronnie and dorian live and upclose and say that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
oh thats right - you forgot all that..
::)
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It is certainly true that the term meltdown is used far too often but even his biggest apologist would have to concede that it as an objective way as any of describing what Hulkster appears to be going through. The fact he is unable to acknowledge his own problems merely serves to reinforce this sad state of affairs. Does this guy not have a family who can offer him support? It's not really fair to mock him anymore - as fun as it can be.
Great post !
Hulkster = dummy :-\
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I haven't seen all the screen caps from every show, but a lot that have been put forward as evidence in various arguments have been.
How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
yes, but how can we assess that?
from pictures videos and screencaps..
if dorian looks worse than Ronnie in all three forms of media, then he is worse live and in person too.
and we have so many quotes of people to verify that...they were there live and in person.
sorry.
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its funny: after years of dorian being not even given a second thought (as being able to beat Ronnie at his best) by the bb community at large, now we have people claiming that all visuals mean nothing LOL
how convenient.. ::)
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yes, but how can we assess that?
from pictures videos and screencaps..
sorry.
No, sorry to you. Your "visual evidence" is flawed because a) you post biased comparisons and b) because your "screencaps" are not accurate as proven by Kevin and a graphic artist. You should know this since Ronnie looks substantially less impressive in every single photograph than in your "evidence." Furthermore, you refuting anything Kevin says regarding bodybuilding is utterly retarded and holds no credence.
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quick! someone find an excuse for this Ronnie photo!
::)
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yes, and thats why Neo and Iceman have quotes from 40 different pros/experts/writers etc who have all seen both Ronnie and dorian live and upclose and say that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
oh thats right - you forgot all that..
::)
yeah like experts Greg Valentino ::) and Flex Wheeler who thought he won in 1999 I'm sure you agree with that too ;) and Flex who also had Ronnie in first place at the 2007 Mr Olympia lol his opinion is dead on the money LMMFAO
you're response is yet more flawed logic , argument ad populum lol you're a retard tell your ' University ' you want a refund , you were robbed .
40 ' experts ' can't be wrong classic appeal to numbers , couple with photoshopped pics and LIES you posted about quotes Shawn Ray commenting on Dorian's lack of hardness from 92-93 lol
kid do yourself a favor and stop posting you're exposed for the pathetic guy you are and the most ignorant person when it comes to competitive bobybuilding ;)
Hulkster = sad :'(
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quick! someone find an excuse for this Ronnie photo!
::)
Don't need any thats NOT the 99 Olympia screencap you keep clinging to and using
Ronnie looks great in that pic because he's in shape and it has great lighting period.
BIG DIFFERENCE between that and your photoshopped pics ;)
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its funny: after years of dorian being not even given a second thought (as being able to beat Ronnie at his best) by the bb community at large, now we have people claiming that all visuals mean nothing LOL
how convenient.. ::)
Here we go the BB community at large my ass , Shawn Perine , Peter McGough , Kevin Horton , Lee Priest , Ernie Taylor , and Ronnie Coleman himself have all either said its to close to call or Yates would win , stop trying to find comfort in numbers now that you can't rely on your photoshoped pics anymore
more flawed logic by an INTERNET-FAN-BOY ;)
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yes, but how can we assess that?
from pictures videos and screencaps..
if dorian looks worse than Ronnie in all three forms of media, then he is worse live and in person too.
and we have so many quotes of people to verify that...they were there live and in person.
sorry.
Pics mean NOTHING compared to actually being there period. get over it and Yates only looks better in all media TO YOU and you're biased you see what you want
all the ' media ' you looked at you came to the conclusion Yates lost to Flex in 1993 and to Shawn & Kevin and Nasser in 1995 LMMFAO and Ronnie ' dominated ' in 2001 again what do you know about competitive bodybuilding when you type trash like this?
Nothing as usual ;)
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the question still stands:
kmhphoto:
who photoshopped pics in your opinion:
ForcedReps? - the original poster in the truce thread way back when.
Bizzy?
Iceman?
you can't jump on here and imply that all these screencaps and videos are faked without offering some sort of proof.
tell us why in your opinion..and if you haven't seen all the shots and videos in question, then why are you passing judgement on shots you have never seen?
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the question still stands:
kmhphoto:
who photoshopped pics in your opinion:
ForcedReps? - the original poster in the truce thread way back when.
Bizzy?
Iceman?
you can't jump on here and imply that all these screencaps and videos are faked without offering some sort of proof.
tell us why in your opinion..
Simple. He looked at them and came to the conclusion that they do not represent what Ron looked like that evening. Unfortunately, you don't have that perspective and therefore have no grounds on which to contradict Kevin. Case closed.
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its funny: after years of dorian being not even given a second thought (as being able to beat Ronnie at his best) by the bb community at large, now we have people claiming that all visuals mean nothing LOL
how convenient.. ::)
Untouched photos are the only evidence that someone can offer to support their argument. However unless they are taken under exactly the same conditions then they are not conclusive.
The only shots like those, would be the ones Bob Gardner used to shoot backstage.
I've lost track of what this argument is about ;D
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Simple. He looked at them and came to the conclusion that they do not represent what Ron looked like that evening. Unfortunately, you don't have that perspective and therefore have no grounds on which to contradict Kevin. Case closed.
what about the dorian pics videos and screencaps?
he must not like anything like them either..
::)
you guys aren't smart enough to realize the hole you are digging yourselves into with all this stuff...
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the question still stands:
kmhphoto:
who photoshopped pics in your opinion:
ForcedReps? - the original poster in the truce thread way back when.
Bizzy?
Iceman?
you can't jump on here and imply that all these screencaps and videos are faked without offering some sort of proof.
tell us why in your opinion..and if you haven't seen all the shots and videos in question, then why are you passing judgement on shots you have never seen?
I've already said that I haven't seen all the shots that float around on the internet. However, apart from scanned shot of Dorian which you've conveniently posted in it's soft state, the others you've posted on this thread have been. I'm passing judgement on the ones you've posted.
Your arguments over who is better between Ronnie and Dorian are valid, unfortunately the material supplied is not conclusive.
How about a slight change of subject to discuss "Who would have been better, Dorian in 1999 if he hadn't been injured and continued or Ronnie?"
or
"Based on their fight records, who is the greatest heavyweight of all time, Ali or Marciano"
Then we can come back to this subject in 10 years time.
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How about a slight change of subject to discuss "Who would have been better, Dorian in 1999 if he hadn't been injured and continued or Ronnie?"
what about who's better? dorian or Kovacs?
hahahahahaha
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what about who's better? dorian or Kovacs?
hahahahahaha
Well the records show that neither he or Ronnie ever beat Dorian so I'd say Doz.
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I'd like to see Ronnie or Kovacs match this. Unbeatable!
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/dorianyates/images/yates_05.jpg)
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Well the records show that neither he or Ronnie ever beat Dorian so I'd say Doz.
and the records show that neither Doz nor Kovacs ever stepped onstage with anything close to this: 8)
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Who would have been better, Dorian in 1999 if he hadn't been injured and continued or Ronnie?"
Ronnie easily - by that time in his career - he had dorian's size but with way better genetics - ie better taper, fuller more rounded muscle bellies, a better back, better detail and a trim waist: he made dorian look like a refridgerator, not a bodybuilder: :-\
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the question still stands:
kmhphoto:
who photoshopped pics in your opinion:
ForcedReps? - the original poster in the truce thread way back when.
Bizzy?
Iceman?
you can't jump on here and imply that all these screencaps and videos are faked without offering some sort of proof.
tell us why in your opinion..and if you haven't seen all the shots and videos in question, then why are you passing judgement on shots you have never seen?
Please Bizzy already admitted to ' adjusting ' the light and obviously the ones YOU keep posting from him are PHOTOSHOPPED and you kept posting them as proof how great he was ::) and the sad part is he didn't need it Ronnie 99 was awesome , you have a history now of posting worked photos , making up quotes and relying on appeals to the masses you're so fucking pwned kid
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Well the records show that neither he or Ronnie ever beat Dorian so I'd say Doz.
Ha Ha Ha Great post ! Dorian 8 wins over Ronnie , Ronnie 0 wins over Yates
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Ronnie easily - by that time in his career - he had dorian's size but with way better genetics - ie better taper, fuller more rounded muscle bellies, a better back, better detail and a trim waist: he made dorian look like a refridgerator, not a bodybuilder: :-\
Better back my ass. Dorian's back was easily the greatest of all-time. He had muscles on his back and a thickness that Coleman had none of.
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and the records show that neither Doz nor Kovacs ever stepped onstage with anything close to this: 8)
Dorian was bigger , harder . drier and better balanced in 93/95 and funny now you're back to posting 2001 lol
Hulkster = loser
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Better back my ass. Dorian's back was easily the greatest of all-time. He had muscles on his back and a thickness that Coleman had none of.
yeah, thats probably why Flex magazine ranked dorian's back as the SECOND best of all time behind none other than RONNIE FUCKING COLEMAN!!
hahahaha
owned!
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Dorian was bigger , harder . drier and better balanced in 93/95 and funny now you're back to posting 2001 lol
Hulkster = loser
2001 was the year your best friend and now worst enemy Peter McGough called the greatest physique he had ever seen. and he is best friends with dorian LOL
ND = McOwned!
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here is a rare shot of ND working out on the job:
LOL
hahahahaha
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Ronnie easily - by that time in his career - he had dorian's size but with way better genetics - ie better taper, fuller more rounded muscle bellies, a better back, better detail and a trim waist: he made dorian look like a refridgerator, not a bodybuilder: :-\
next time post a pic of Yates actually flexing ;)
and I love how now you're forced to post my scans lol
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yeah, thats probably why Flex magazine ranked dorian's back as the SECOND best of all time behind none other than RONNIE FUCKING COLEMAN!!
hahahaha
owned!
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Hulkster = owned yet again lol ........next
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2001 was the year your best friend and now worst enemy Peter McGough called the greatest physique he had ever seen. and he is best friends with dorian LOL
ND = McOwned!
He also said what about Yates 93 seven weeks out vs Ronnie 2001? yeah I thought so ;)
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here is a rare shot of ND working out on the job:
LOL
hahahahaha
I know you're getting ass-raped real bad in this thread but this is what you're offering? you're cracking yourself up over this? lol this?
Hulkster I could collect can for a living I'd still know more about competitive bodybuilding than you and I was never reduced to using fake pics and making up quotes ;)
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ass raped?
I think not.
there is a 1600+ page thread with probably 1000 pics/screencaps/videos etc. of Dorian getting crushed by Ronnie.
one person comes on this thread and claims that all visual mean nothing ( ::))
and you think that all the damage to Dorian is erased from existance ::).
it doesn't work that way ND.
only someone truly naive would believe that visuals mean so little in this sport, especially when they are THIS drastic:
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ass raped?
I think not.
there is a 1600+ page thread with probably 1000 pics/screencaps/videos etc. of Dorian getting crushed by Ronnie.
one person comes on this thread and claims that all visual mean nothing ( ::))
and you think that all the damage to Dorian is erased from existance ::).
it doesn't work that way ND.
only someone truly naive would believe that visuals mean so little in this sport, especially when they are THIS drastic:
I never said visuals don't mean anything thats a blatant lie ( something you're not above doing lol ) I said they don't mean anything compared to being there Opppppppp don't you look stupid lol
and your retort is a Youtube compressed video of Yates compared to a DVD screengrab of Ronnie you're reduced to nonsense again , you're a loser go cry with the others ones lol ;)
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Dorian at his ( contest ) best is better than Ronnie 99
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kmhPhoto:
what exactly are you claiming?
that all these screencaps from 99 (and most other contests including the 93 olympia) are 'tampered with' or photoshopped?
or,
are you simply saying that how bodybuilders appear on film is different than how they appear in person up close?
these are two completely different things and as we can see, ND cannot tell the difference as he is orgasming over the idea that Ronnie may not have looked as good in 99 as he does in all the screencaps..
It's obvious that he is claiming that the 1999 Olympias pics taken from screecaps were tampered with, and do not show how Ronnie looked in that stage. He even gave an example showing the techniques used, so I have no idea why you are even asking this question. This is truly embarassing, Huckster. Delete your account if you still want to go out with some dignity. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian just owns Ronnie here, and the lighting isn't even as dark as the 99 Olympia or GP! Just imagine if Dorian was black and had a pitch black background :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=257284;image)
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It's obvious that he is claiming that the 1999 Olympias pics taken from screecaps were tampered with, and do not show how Ronnie looked in that stage. He even gave an example showing the techniques used, so I have no idea why you are even asking this question. This is truly embarassing, Huckster. Delete your account if you still want to go out with some dignity. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ha Ha Great post ! he has no dignity left lol he's got royally owned by Horton lol this is a keeper.
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Dorian just owns Ronnie here, and the lighting isn't even as dark as the 99 Olympia or GP! Just imagine if Dorian was black and had a pitch black background :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=257284;image)
Poor Sonny he's looking at tha back t and saying " Man forget about ever winning this contest "
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quick! someone find an excuse for this Ronnie photo!
The lighting at that show enhanced his physique dramatically. And it's not an excuse - otherwise bodybuilding contest promoters wouldn't spend big bucks hiring stage lighting experts to create the lighting for shows.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Looks like CigaretteMan errr ....suckmymuscle found the password to the Sucky account LOL
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It's obvious that he is claiming that the 1999 Olympias pics taken from screecaps were tampered with, and do not show how Ronnie looked in that stage. He even gave an example showing the techniques used, so I have no idea why you are even asking this question. This is truly embarassing, Huckster. Delete your account if you still want to go out with some dignity. 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
someone like yourself should be smart enough to realize a few things:
1. there is no 'control' set of screencaps to base this supposed 'tampering' on. So you can't just assume that screencaps are tampered with.
just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.
2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.
honestly..
::)
you should be deleting your account for falling for this crap with out using your head first..think about it.
ND, well, we expect that from him.
but everyone else should know better.
these screencaps have been around for a long long time.
and from day one the nuthuggers have been praying that they will go away simply because they crush their hero dorian.
they will pick at any straw if there is even a chance for this to happen in their little minds.. ::)
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Looks like CigaretteMan errr ....suckmymuscle found the password to the Sucky account LOL
This is my only account here. Wtf are you talking about? I'm not into gimmicks, unlike you "Pobrecito". ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.
remember what our friend ForcedReps said about all this:
even back in the day, he was owning the nuthuggers..
things are no different today I guess. 2 years later and they still haven't learned... ::)
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someone like yourself should be smart enough to realize a few things:
1. there is no 'control' set of screencaps to base this supposed 'tampering' on. So you can't just assume that screencaps are tampered with.
just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.
2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.
honestly..
::)
you should be deleting your account for falling for this crap with out using your head first..think about it.
ND, well, we expect that from him.
but everyone else should know better.
these screencaps have been around for a long long time.
and from day one the nuthuggers have been praying that they will go away simply because they crush their hero dorian.
they will pick at any straw if there is even a chance for this to happen in their little minds.. ::)
Hulkster, Mr.Horton has stated that, when taken from screencaps, the images come with very poor resolution that must be corrected. The problem is that the techniques used to sharpen the images makes them more impressive then they were on the video the images were removed from. That is Kevin's point. The only way to show the nuances that were removed when a picture is taken from a video shot is by using the "unsharp mask" technique which ends up creating more nuances than what the bodybuilder actually looked on video. It's not so much that the pictures were photosopped on purpose, but that they had to be worked otherwise you would see nothing but a blurry picture. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is my only account here. Wtf are you talking about? I'm not into gimmicks, unlike you "Pobrecito". ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You aren't fooling anyone Sucky. You operated under the handle CigaretteMan and it was blatantly obvious. Just admit it and we can move on. Your denial is only digging you into a deeper grave :o
Let's see some facts here:
1) Both Sucky and CigaretteMan attended the 1996 Mr. Olympia
2) Both Sucky and CigaretteMan were the only ones in GetBig history to talk about Dillet's massive varicose veins and how it created the illusion of a thick chest
3) Immediately after Sucky went on "hiatus" CigaretteMan started posting and vice versa ::)
4) Same exact posting style
5) Sucky is the only person who cares enough to argue with Semen (as CigaretteMan did)
6) "Both" called Jay Cutler Gay Gutler
Bottom Line: Sucky = CigaretteMan. Case Closed
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I know you're getting ass-raped real bad in this thread but this is what you're offering? you're cracking yourself up over this? lol this?
Hulkster I could collect can for a living I'd still know more about competitive bodybuilding than you and I was never reduced to using fake pics and making up quotes ;)
LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.
You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Quoted from:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.
A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268
How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?
This stupid thread has gone on long enough.
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You aren't fooling anyone Sucky. You operated under the handle CigaretteMan and it was blatantly obvious. Just admit it and we can move on. Your denial is only digging you into a deeper grave
I'm a much older poster than you here, and everyone knows I have no gimmicks. It's not my style to create multiple handles, because I say everything I have to in one. Furthermore, the TCP/IP protocol doesen't lie, and clearly shows one account. I would much rather change the username of my account than starting a new one, because I like to add to the post cost.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm a much older poster than you here, and everyone knows I have no gimmicks. It's not my style to create multiple handles, because I say everything I have to in one. Furthermore, the TCP/IP protocol doesen't lie, and clearly shows one account. I would much rather change the username of my account than starting a new one, because I like to add to the post cost.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I never said it was a gimmick. It's my opinion that you lost the password and simply created a new account until you found the old password. My new account was never a "gimmick." I went to change my email address in the user control panel and made an error and I was forever locked out of my old account. Hence, I had to make a new one.
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LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.
You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Quoted from:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.
A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268
How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?
This stupid thread has gone on long enough.
the stupidity of ND and his bitches knows no bounds.. :-\
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LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.
You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.
Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.
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I never said it was a gimmick. It's my opinion that you lost the password and simply created a new account until you found the old password. My new account was never a "gimmick." I went to change my email address in the user control panel and made an error and I was forever locked out of my old account. Hence, I had to make a new one.
Ok, "CigaretteMan" made a post in this very thread today from what I've seen, so check the IPs or ask a mod to and it will confirm it's different accounts. Go ahead. I have nothing to fear. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.
Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.
um.. hello?
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Flex has certainly has his distain for Ronnie too..
or have you forgot already:
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um.. hello?
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Flex has certainly has his distain for Ronnie too..
or have you forgot already:
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No he doesn't. Maybe 98, but that act in 99 was for the fans by his own admission. He knew he lost in 99, just like he did when Yates buried him. Ronnie was always Flex's "brutha" ::) How else can you explain the fact that he had Ronnie winning in 07 :-X I doubt even you are that delusional :-\
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flex seriously had ronnie winning in 07, i am almost positive that he had vic winning it
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LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.
You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:
IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check
Quoted from:
Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev
Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.
A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268
How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?
This stupid thread has gone on long enough.
LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.
Even though they're not? are you fucking high? did you read any of the posts from Kevin Horton? epic denial lol that case is closed period end of sentence the creator of those screencaps photoshopped them for a good reason he didn't think they were good enough on their own ;)
You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:
The irony of you calling an appeal to numbers ' weak ' what else are you going to do?
An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."
its a fallacious argument put for by morons. Bodybuilding is based on opinions true but the MINORITY opinion of the judges and its based on criteria they must adhere to and I love your piss poor example that the argument ad populum is wrong by stating a list of people who agree with you lmmfao you're just as retarded as Hulkster and please show me where I said I know more than these people ;) my opinion is different than these people no more RIGHT than WRONG just different you're claiming they're all right because its popular textbook appeal to numbers and you're already wrong with this assumption and the pics aren't ' fake ' just photoshopped ;) the creator of these pics didn't think they were good enough on their own so he played with them in a false representation of how he appeared this has been confirm by a professional graphic artist and one of the best contest photographers in bodybuilding period . so like your appeal to the masses this is proven wrong.
Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.
A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268
How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?
This stupid thread has gone on long enough.
Again you're stuck on stupid with even more appeals to numbers ' thousands ' of people didn't say anything lmmfao do yourself a favor don't type anymore , and again the pics aren't fake just NOT an accurate respresentation of how he appeared contest day , they creator didn't think they were good enough on thier own so he photoshopped them thats called desperation ;) and the sad part is Ronnie 99 looked fantastic too he didn't need anything done apparently someone didn't think so lol
and this ' stupid ' thread has gone on long enough for morons like you who keep claiming the contrary you want it to be over for a very good reason ;) because your whole argument has just been dismantled and the pics you cling to have been exposed so run away go read your quotes again and think they mean anything in reality lol
owned next ;)
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2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.
You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?
When you use the "Unsharp Mask" filter in Photoshop or in post production video software you are affecting the contrast between the edges within the image. The amount of sharpening an image requires is determined by many factors. Resolution of image, final image size, and obviously personal choice. An important factor is the subject of the image.
Take a shot of a beautiful woman for a skin care ad campaign and you would use selective sharpening - the eyes would be sharpened but you'd leave the skin. In fact most beauty images are "blurred" in the skin areas.
Now take a shot of a bodybuilder. We want to make him look as sharp as possible. So we open in Photoshop, use unsharp mask using a fairly high amount, with a wide radius and low threshold. Voila, we've increased the apparent graininess of the skin.
Neither of those images are "fake" but they've been enhanced. Another often used trick by a magazine in the business is to reduce the size of the head for an instant 20lb gain in muscle!
I have my own opinions on whether Ronnie or Dorian was better and they are based on having seen them at their best.
In your opinion, Ronnie is better.
But the photos you produce are not conclusive enough as the lighting, angles etc. is so different in each. Take the blurred shot of Dorian hitting a type of most muscular you posted at the start of this thread. Shoot that under the same conditions as the one of Ronnie and he would look entirely different - just look at the shot I did of him in '93 - Ronnie may still win, and the evidence would be more conclusive.
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You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?
sure.
but videos showing dorian also get the same treatment and Ronnie still looks much better.
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Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.
Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.
If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so ::)
ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.
Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.
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Even though they're not? are you fucking high? did you read any of the posts from Kevin Horton? epic denial lol that case is closed period end of sentence the creator of those screencaps photoshopped them for a good reason he didn't think they were good enough on their own ;)
The irony of you calling an appeal to numbers ' weak ' what else are you going to do?
An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."
its a fallacious argument put for by morons. Bodybuilding is based on opinions true but the MINORITY opinion of the judges and its based on criteria they must adhere to and I love your piss poor example that the argument ad populum is wrong by stating a list of people who agree with you lmmfao you're just as retarded as Hulkster and please show me where I said I know more than these people ;) my opinion is different than these people no more RIGHT than WRONG just different you're claiming they're all right because its popular textbook appeal to numbers and you're already wrong with this assumption and the pics aren't ' fake ' just photoshopped ;) the creator of these pics didn't think they were good enough on their own so he played with them in a false representation of how he appeared this has been confirm by a professional graphic artist and one of the best contest photographers in bodybuilding period . so like your appeal to the masses this is proven wrong.
Again you're stuck on stupid with even more appeals to numbers ' thousands ' of people didn't say anything lmmfao do yourself a favor don't type anymore , and again the pics aren't fake just NOT an accurate respresentation of how he appeared contest day , they creator didn't think they were good enough on thier own so he photoshopped them thats called desperation ;) and the sad part is Ronnie 99 looked fantastic too he didn't need anything done apparently someone didn't think so lol
and this ' stupid ' thread has gone on long enough for morons like you who keep claiming the contrary you want it to be over for a very good reason ;) because your whole argument has just been dismantled and the pics you cling to have been exposed so run away go read your quotes again and think they mean anything in reality lol
owned next ;)
Why did you waste time typing that bs? LOL. Ad populum cannot be used in a sport which is based on opinions and numbers. Sorry, but you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
Thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake. You still cannot prove they are fake. Keep arguing, it's fun ;D . If they enhance how a bodybuilder appear, that would go for any bodybuilder on video. Sorry, try again.
You're saying that the yates quotes mean more than the Ronnie quotes? LOL, you couldn't even quote 3 people saying yates is the greatest. Get out of here with that shyt.
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Why did you waste time typing that bs? LOL. Ad populum cannot be used in a sport which is based on opinions and numbers. Sorry, but you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
Thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake. You still cannot prove they are fake. Keep arguing, it's fun ;D . If they enhance how a bodybuilder appear, that would go for any bodybuilder on video. Sorry, try again.
You're saying that the yates quotes mean more than the Ronnie quotes? LOL, you couldn't even quote 3 people saying yates is the greatest. Get out of here with that shyt.
Man you're stupid ! no argument ad populum can be used in ANY sport especially considering the nature of comparing past champions to current ones and the sport is based on CRITERIA not opinions of the masses , this isn't American Idol the results aren't the end product of audience voting get a clue kid , 13 judges decide who meets the criteria better not everyone in attendance
and thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake? WTF I never claimed they were I only claimed they were photoshopped to enhance how he looked and it gives on a FALSE representation of how he appeared. again obviously someone wasn't happy with how Ronnie originally looked so they changed it , thats deceptive and pathetic
I'm not saying either quotes are more valid than the other , especially considering the subjective nature of the topic I'm saying because YOU think the popular opinion is more numerous its right and its not thats flat out wrong its a textbook example of an appeal to numbers
let me simplify this for you because you're obviously having trouble grasping the concept , 10 people say Dorian would beat Ronnie , ' 40 ' say Ronnie would beat Dorian , that doesn't mean you're right because more agree thats a fallacious argument if you think otherwise you're ignorant period.
being such a subjective topic NO ONE is right or wrong , you just prove my point that the typical Coleman fans is a complete moron and Hulkster backs you up with each post as does Neoseminole and pumpster .
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If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so ::)
ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.
Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.
See above dummy ! this sport is NOT bases on popular opinion this isn't American Idol where the masses choose , the minority chooses who has the superior physique based on a set of criteria
40 ' experts ' ( Greg Valentino according to you is an ' expert ' lmmfao ) all say Ronnie would beat Yates so there for Ronnie would beat Yates WRONG period , the ONLY thing that proves is its a POPULAR OPINION that Ronnie would beat Yates NOT a true one ;)
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You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?
When you use the "Unsharp Mask" filter in Photoshop or in post production video software you are affecting the contrast between the edges within the image. The amount of sharpening an image requires is determined by many factors. Resolution of image, final image size, and obviously personal choice. An important factor is the subject of the image.
Take a shot of a beautiful woman for a skin care ad campaign and you would use selective sharpening - the eyes would be sharpened but you'd leave the skin. In fact most beauty images are "blurred" in the skin areas.
Now take a shot of a bodybuilder. We want to make him look as sharp as possible. So we open in Photoshop, use unsharp mask using a fairly high amount, with a wide radius and low threshold. Voila, we've increased the apparent graininess of the skin.
Neither of those images are "fake" but they've been enhanced. Another often used trick by a magazine in the business is to reduce the size of the head for an instant 20lb gain in muscle!
I have my own opinions on whether Ronnie or Dorian was better and they are based on having seen them at their best.
In your opinion, Ronnie is better.
But the photos you produce are not conclusive enough as the lighting, angles etc. is so different in each. Take the blurred shot of Dorian hitting a type of most muscular you posted at the start of this thread. Shoot that under the same conditions as the one of Ronnie and he would look entirely different - just look at the shot I did of him in '93 - Ronnie may still win, and the evidence would be more conclusive.
Great post ! this kid is to stupid to get it , he believes what he wants I've explained to him way to many times that pictures would NEVER replace actually being there and this is the same idiot who claimed he is just as qualified to judge contests sitting at home on his PC than the judges are in the front row lol
Hulkster = stupid
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If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so ::)
ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.
Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.
this is all very true.
I have been explaining to ND that he has been using the term 'ad populum' incorrectly for over a year now..
but he is too stupid to get it. ::)
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what is so stupid about this whole thread is that an accusation has been made that Ronnie 99 screencaps were enhanced, for no other reason than someone thought he looked 'too good to be true" and thats the only 'proof' that anything was done..same with the video: Ronnie looks amazing and someone doesn't like it so they say that the video was 'oversharpened'..
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you know, a year after ForcedReps made the famous 'countdown to excuses' post, not only are the excuses still pouring in from ND and Co, but they are getting more and more unbelievable, more and more ridiculous and more and more stupid..
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its amazing the bullshit that these morons want people to believe.
next they will be claiming that Ronnie is an extra terrerstrial from the planet Testosterone and THATS WHY he looked better than Dorian..
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actually, when you think about it, thats a lot more believable than the monster conspiracy theory of all screencaps and all the VHS and DVDs all being oversharpened, enhanced, faked, photoshopped and touched up...
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what is so stupid about this whole thread is that an accusation has been made that Ronnie 99 screencaps were enhanced, for no other reason than someone thought he looked 'too good to be true" and thats the only 'proof' that anything was done..same with the video: Ronnie looks amazing and someone doesn't like it so they say that the video was 'oversharpened'..
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you know, a year after ForcedReps made the famous 'countdown to excuses' post, not only are the excuses still pouring in from ND and Co, but they are getting more and more unbelievable, more and more ridiculous and more and more stupid..
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its amazing the bullshit that these morons want people to believe.
next they will be claiming that Ronnie is an extra terrerstrial from the planet Testosterone and THATS WHY he looked better than Dorian..
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actually, when you think about it, thats a lot more believable than the monster conspiracy theory of all screencaps and all the VHS and DVDs all being oversharpened, enhanced, faked, photoshopped and touched up...
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Oh give it up jackass you're exposed and so it your buddy for photoshopping them , you went on a tangent on how great these screencaps were and all the time they were worked you've been exposed twice now once by a professional graphic artist and again by one of the best contest photographers of all-time
what else are you going to say? oh gee I'm sorry I didn't know , of course not you're to stupid to admit fault so you just continue to act like nothing is wrong , the best part is Ronnie looked great in 99 but your buddy didn't think so hence why he fucked with the pics and you kept posting them lol you hinged your whole opinion on these screencaps and in the end like the truce thread is was all for nothing
Hulkster = 2 time loser
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this is all very true.
I have been explaining to ND that he has been using the term 'ad populum' incorrectly for over a year now..
but he is too stupid to get it. ::)
Argument ad populum in action " 40 experts can't be wrong " you're to stupid to comprehend this which is old news
a popular opinion does NOT make it a true one get this through you're head . ;)
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Argument ad populum in action " 40 experts can't be wrong " you're to stupid to comprehend this which is old news
a popular opinion does NOT make it a true one get this through you're head . ;)
I have long schooled you that the appeal is not simply numbers, but you never fucking listen.. ::)
its about experts who know what they are talking about and visuals that support it.
it takes all of about 4 seconds to go to any philosophy website in the world and show that what we are saying is a NON FALLICOUS use of the argument:
Non-fallacious examples of the ad populum: the appeal is not irrelevant when what most persons believe or what the select few believe does in fact determine what is true. Conventional truth such as the definitions of words, standard use of symbols, styles, or political elections are typical examples where the appeal to the majority , the experts, or the people-in-the-know would be relevant and so would not be fallacious.
If an elite group of people are in a position to know of what they speak, their authority is relevant and should not automatically be discounted. E.g., to remark that most physicians believe that a high fat diet is unhealthy, so that it follows that persons who have a high fat diet should change their eating habits, is to make a legitimate appeal.
I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.
esp. with all the visual support.
ND, as we can see, has no fucking clue.. ::)
well, ND you will need to come up with some new material, because you can't whine about 'ad populum' anymore.
cross that one off your list of excuses, you can't use that one anymore..
ND = owned badly.
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I have long schooled you that the appeal is not simply numbers, but you never fucking listen.. ::)
its about experts who know what they are talking about and visuals that support it.
it takes all of about 4 seconds to go to any philosophy website in the world and show that what we are saying is a NON FALLICOUS use of the argument:
I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.
esp. with all the visual support.
ND, as we can see, has no fucking clue.. ::)
You never did shit as usual your arguments hinged on weak logic , photoshopped pictures . made up quotes and denial . your 40 experts is textbook argument ad populum you can't argue otherwise keep trying you and iceman are borderline retarded if you attempt to argue to the contrary
and its all about the experts and the visuals? experts as in Greg Valentino? and Flex Wheeler who had Ronnie in 2st place after the 2007 pre-judging lol and visuals ? you mean the photoshopped screencaps you've been posting for eons now LMMFAO
I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.
again textbook appeal to numbers what makes ANY of these guys' opinions more valid than Ronnie Coleman? you've people have yet to explain that what makes Greg Valentino's opinion more valid than Ronnie Coleman? good luck trying to answer that dummy
argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so
This fallacy is sometimes committed while trying to convince a person that a widely popular theory is true.
* Since 88% of the people polled believed in UFOs, they must exist.
I would say that 40 bodybuilding pros, experts, writers etc are in a position to know what they are talking about.
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obviously, the idiot who knows nothing about philosophy did not even bother to read my post..
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in one ear, out the other as they say..
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Hopefully kmhphoto will chime in on this thread one more time.
The only reason I'm taking the time to on this thread
is because this thread is partially my fault.
1st: Notice kmhphoto didn't chime in on this thread until after the
photoshopped pic of Ronnie in the comparitive most muscular was used.
(The 1st picture I'm going to use.)
He also said...
"But a lot of screen caps from that show - in particular the most muscular - have been over sharpened and that gives a false impression of how Ronnie looked."
I think he was mainly reffering to a photo shopped picture I used
along time ago.
Quick story behind it...
1st try at my new DVD Recorder. I accidently set it on the worst resolution
setting. Instead of re-recording it I used photoshop to try and match the video.
I didn't use unsharp mask but lighting and contrast and overdid the contrast
resulting in a technically pretty crappy photo.
A link to the posted photos...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2522039#msg2522039 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2522039#msg2522039)
You can tell a big difference between my very over contrasted photo
and the other most musculars.
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In Hulkster's defence unless proven otherwise,
he was in the dark about those photos being photoshopped
but he is accused of using them after he knew they were photoshopped.
Here is the link where he realizes they are photoshopped.
(By my own admitance.) You can tell before I admit it that he is in the
dark about me photoshopping them with lighting and contrast.
If anyone can find a link of him using these photos after this time
then he would be guilty of knowingly using photoshopped pics.
I don't think you'll find it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912)
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This photo on the left is the best representation of how Coleman looked if you were at the show in 1999. Notice how none of the delt detail is really present in the real picture but is "enhanced" in the screencaps. And now we finally have admittance by Bizzy that he did in fact photoshop the screencaps, something Hulkster has been denying for over a year ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=257465;image)
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do you think Joe Weider enhanced all the DVDs and videos?
or was it Big Bird?
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Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:
because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:
if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass :P.
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kmhphoto also stated something to affect that unsharp mask is used
many times in part of the production stage before the release of a video/DVD.
This would hold true to any video/DVD although the outcome could vary for many
different reasons. If most of the 1999 pictures had been the quality of this
2007 Olympia picture I don't think we would be having this discussion.
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In Hulkster's defence unless proven otherwise,
he was in the dark about those photos being photoshopped
but he is accused of using them after he knew they were photoshopped.
Here is the link where he realizes they are photoshopped.
(By my own admitance.) You can tell before I admit it that he is in the
dark about me photoshopping them with lighting and contrast.
If anyone can find a link of him using these photos after this time
then he would be guilty of knowingly using photoshopped pics.
I don't think you'll find it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=180441.msg2543912#msg2543912)
You photoshopped them this is all on you ;) and when people raised questions Hulkster defended them and still is , he's busted and so are you . and he already busted him with the first pics YOU made and then he stopped using those lol little did we know almost ALL of your 99 screencaps are photoshopped
I was waiting for you to try and do damage control you're exposed as trying to pass of something that wasn't indicative of how Ronnie looked in 99 , you're busted by two professionals do yourself a favor don't try and explain anything or post another ' pic ' you're finished ;)
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Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:
because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:
if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass :P.
No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.
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Bizzy: are any of these shots enhanced/photoshopped at all?:
because despite what the lying philosophically challenged ND claims, I haven't used any others of yours:
if they are not, then ND, you can personally kiss my ass :P.
They are photoshopped period , he adjusted the contrast & color and unsharp mask tool period . he's busted and you're an idiot for defending him and these pics for years now
Hulkster & Bizzy = owned ;)
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No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.
BULLSHIT you're busted by Kevin Horton and a professional graphic artist and they outed you on exactly how you did it ;) and the best part is your screencaps from a VHS don't match those from forcedreps from you guessed it a VHS copy
unsharp mask too you're busted save yourself the trouble
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No way those are photoshopped after all the grief I went through with the few pics I did.
I even said when I posted the leg shot that I thought it was too dark but there was no
way I was going to touch any more pictures.
thank you.
ND kiss my ass moron!
you are so owned and fucked now.
you are exposed as the pathetic delusional liar that you are.
your whole argument rests on praying that Ronnie 99 visuals are faked and when that is shown not to be true, you have NOTHING LEFT
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kmhphoto also stated something to affect that unsharp mask is used
many times in part of the production stage before the release of a video/DVD.
This would hold true to any video/DVD although the outcome could vary for many
different reasons. If most of the 1999 pictures had been the quality of this
2007 Olympia picture I don't think we would be having this discussion.
actually ND is the only one having this discussion.
no one else questions the validity of how Ronnie looked that night.
only ND so he can save his hero dorian..
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You photoshopped them this is all on you ;) and when people raised questions Hulkster defended them and still is , he's busted and so are you . and he already busted him with the first pics YOU made and then he stopped using those lol little did we know almost ALL of your 99 screencaps are photoshopped
I was waiting for you to try and do damage control you're exposed as trying to pass of something that wasn't indicative of how Ronnie looked in 99 , you're busted by two professionals do yourself a favor don't try and explain anything or post another ' pic ' you're finished ;)
Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.
If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.
1st pic from a dig cam...
4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.
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Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.
ND is such a delusional moron..
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Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.
1st pic from a dig cam...
4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.
ND is a complete waste of time.. you have shown the fucking shot of your tv and compared it to the cap and he probably STILL won't believe it.
the denial and complete delusion is incredible.. ::)
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no doubt ND will continue to whine and cry about 'photoshopped' pics and 'ad populum' arguments even though this thread has completely and clearly shown that not only are the screencaps of yours that I regularly post NOT touched up, but that the argument for ronnie's dominance is NOT a fallicious ad populum argument..
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then again, thats what we should expect from someone who deadlifts hamburgers for a living LOL
Maybe ND and dorian could open up a restaurant: hahhahahaha
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Hulkster has no life beyond sackriding a person he's never even met before hahahah bumping the Team Yates winning Truce Thread for months all by himself and littering countless threads with pictures of Ronnie nearly a decade old, leading to the unanimous decision by GetBig that Hulkster has both mental and sexual problems LOL
(http://albertalter.com/mime/dweeb_surprise.gif)
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as we can see with the above post, even ND's bitches have given up - they have been owned silenced and humiliated with this thread.
much like ND on the truce thread that he ran away from in total shame.
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Think what you want ND...
That is what my video looks like only even better.
I could send you the video itself and it still wouldn't convince you.
If you think my other ones are shopped, use Forced Reps video or
DVD screencaps. Iceman has a DVD copy of my video so ask him:
but you probably won't believe him either. I'm not going to waste my time on here
trying to convince you. I took a couple of shots off my TV before I got my DVD
Recorder and posted them but you'll think I photoshopped them too.
1st pic from a dig cam...
4th pic from GMV 1999 Grand Prix.. very close to the same color/resolution.
Bullshit you're busted by two professionals period end of sentence. and here is the best part you admitted to using the sharping tool I'm surprised no one caught this earlier but you played your hand and flooded the market with counterfeit pictures trying to pass them off as how he looked and it isn't
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946
dude give it up you're busted you used the sharp tool on your screencaps
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actually ND is the only one having this discussion.
no one else questions the validity of how Ronnie looked that night.
only ND so he can save his hero dorian..
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Kevin busted you and your boy lol its over like the truce thread dummy. see above
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I think I might send my video to kmhphoto LOL
maybe they can see who "tampered" with it..
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this thread is one of the most retarded ever, and ND is being as stupid as I have ever seen him.
Bizzy is making a delusional liar out of ND and he is ignoring it and ranting on as usual as if nothing has been shown to him.. ::)
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lets not forget the fact that dorian trains harder than ronnie
awesome
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Kevin busted you and your boy lol its over like the truce thread dummy. see above
lol yeah, someone didn't like how good Ronnie looked so he made up a story about how everything visual in the sport is adjusted and tampered with LOL
yeah, we are so busted..
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the sad thing is you will cling to anything as long as it makes Ronnie 99 seem worse.
here you have Bizzy owning your ass with legit screencaps and you are ignoring it like a complete idiot.
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See how its done dummy , he admitted it GAME OVER
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what is funny is that all of these truly adjusted shots you keep posting looking NOTHING like the legit screencaps that I keep posting that Bizzy did..
oh wait - for you to realize that would be for you to realize what an idiot you are..
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lol yeah, someone didn't like how good Ronnie looked so he made up a story about how everything visual in the sport is adjusted and tampered with LOL
yeah, we are so busted..
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the sad thing is you will cling to anything as long as it makes Ronnie 99 seem worse.
here you have Bizzy owning your ass with legit screencaps and you are ignoring it like a complete idiot.
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Kevin & a professional graphic artist busted Bizzy's screencaps as using the sharping tool , I find a post of Bizzy admitted he used this tool LMMFAO you and him are so fucking busted ;)
lets add this to Hulkster's argument , he used photoshopped pics , he made up quotes , says Greg Valentino is more of an expert than Ronnie Coleman , claimed Dorian lost the 1993/1995 Mr Olympias and Ronnie Coleman has better detail in his calves than Dorian
LMMFAO
pwned
countdown to the mega-meltdown
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what is funny is that all of these truly adjusted shots you keep posting looking NOTHING like the legit screencaps that I keep posting that Bizzy did..
oh wait - for you to realize that would be for you to realize what an idiot you are..
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Thats because I'm NOT being subtle about how much of an effect I'm putting MORON
proof positive once again I kicked your fucking ass you moron ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946
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who is this 'professional Graphic artist'?
post some credentials of this person - oh wait, this is the internet - everyone is a brain surgeon..
LOL
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who is this 'professional Graphic artist'?
post some credentials of this person - oh wait, this is the internet - everyone is a brain surgeon..
LOL
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ok lets throw out the graphic artist you still have one of the best Professional photographers in the history of the sport who said these pics are sharpened up and then you have not one but TWO quotes from the moron in question who did it lol you & Bizzy are BUSTED
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946
I own you and I own Bizzy and your counterfeit screencaps which you based your whole opinion on lol of Ronnie's superior conditioning and graininess LMMFAO
like the truce thread it looks like you wasted all your time for NOTHING again
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who is this 'professional Graphic artist'?
post some credentials of this person - oh wait, this is the internet - everyone is a brain surgeon..
LOL
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Just like everyone is a bodybuilding judge LMMFAO wasn't it you who claimed to be just as qualified as a judge from internet pics lol more backfired logic
:) ;)
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God damn, Dorian is making Flex look like a little bitch here :o Ronnie NEVER dwarfed Flex like this LOL. And Hulkster has the balls to cry because Dorian was never called out to the muscularity round LOL. He defeated a 250lb Mr. Olympia (Haney) in muscularity at 239lbs and Hulkster thinks Flex was gonna beat a 257 Dorian while weighing 232 hahaha
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=257523;image)
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Ha ha ha...wow...Hulkster keeps arguing. Amazing...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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People are going to believe what they want to.
You can go through all my threads back when I 1st started posting.
When I lightened a picture I said I did. I havn't been trained in photo shop.
I would mess with lightness and contrast.
Common sense would say that sharpen would make a blurry picture clearer.
I had seen a couple of Ronnie's pictures where the picture made him look
grainy, although I knew it was the pic itself and not Ronnie that was the cause of the grainy look; so I messed with sharpen and sharpen more just like I said in the message.
I used Dorian as an example, not Ronnie.
I noticed unsharp mask but didn't know what the heck it did nor did I experiment
with it. Once the graphic artist mentioned it a couple of months ago I started
messing around with it on my own computer and I'm fully aware of what it does now
but my screencaps were posted long before I had ever knew what unsharp mask does.
When I used sharpen and sharpen more I was making a statement that it makes some
photos look grainier.
Plain...
Sharpen...
Sharpen more...
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And here is one of the pictures that sparked my interest
and led to the message of using the shapen tool to increase
a grainy look.
At the time I had posted on 2 different threads about what
graininess is? what causes it? training/genetics ect.
Anyway, this is a pic on the web that I never touched, that Ronnie
has a grainy look from the photo. This is what motivated the whole sharpen/sharpen
more message.
It is very easy for things to be manipulated out of context and I'm
sure kmhphoto would tell you there is a huge difference between what
sharpen and sharpen more do compared to what unsharp mask does.
If I had used unsharp mask back then I would have said it since every other
time I was very upfront about what I did. I would have no motivation to say
I adjusted lighting and contrast instead of saying I used unsharp mask.
It makes no common sense.
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And here is one of the pictures that sparked my interest
and led to the message of using the shapen tool to increase
a grainy look.
At the time I had posted on 2 different threads about what
graininess is? what causes it? training/genetics ect.
Anyway, this is a pic on the web that I never touched, that Ronnie
has a grainy look from the photo. This is what motivated the whole sharpen/sharpen
more message.
It is very easy for things to be manipulated out of context and I'm
sure kmhphoto would tell you there is a huge difference between what
sharpen and sharpen more do compared to what unsharp mask does.
If I had used unsharp mask back then I would have said it since every other
time I was very upfront about what I did. I would have no motivation to say
I adjusted lighting and contrast instead of saying I used unsharp mask.
It makes no common sense.
Dude, stop explaining yourself over and over like a retard. The bottom line is that the pictures you've posted do not represent how Ronnie looked onstage. The end. Why can't you comprehend this simple concept, moron? Whether or not you photoshopped the pics or not is immaterial since this doesen't change the fact that the pics have been shopped. Period. End of discussion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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People are going to believe what they want to.
You can go through all my threads back when I 1st started posting.
When I lightened a picture I said I did. I havn't been trained in photo shop.
I would mess with lightness and contrast.
Common sense would say that sharpen would make a blurry picture clearer.
I had seen a couple of Ronnie's pictures where the picture made him look
grainy, although I knew it was the pic itself and not Ronnie that was the cause of the grainy look; so I messed with sharpen and sharpen more just like I said in the message.
I used Dorian as an example, not Ronnie.
I noticed unsharp mask but didn't know what the heck it did nor did I experiment
with it. Once the graphic artist mentioned it a couple of months ago I started
messing around with it on my own computer and I'm fully aware of what it does now
but my screencaps were posted long before I had ever knew what unsharp mask does.
When I used sharpen and sharpen more I was making a statement that it makes some
photos look grainier.
Plain...
Sharpen...
Sharpen more...
bullshit Kevin Horton noticed YOUR 99 Olympia screencaps were fixed and called you out on the sharpening tool and then you deny it and then I searched your old posts and you show how you did it . you're exposed do yourself a favor and stop posting the ONLY one buying your excuses is Hulkster because he needs to
the graphic artist outed you a few months ago and then you claim you started playing with the sharpening tool more bullshit here is the proof you were using it last year http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946
10-14-2007
again you tried to pull a fast one over on people and you got away with for a while and then not one but two professionals exposed you for trying to pass of pics of Ronnie that aren't indicative of how he actually looked and the sad part is you didn't even need to because Ronnie looked awesome anyway , do yourself a favor stop trying to defend yourself you're busted.
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Dude, stop explaining yourself over and over like a retard. The bottom line is that the pictures you've posted do not represent how Ronnie looked onstage. The end. Why can't you comprehend this simple concept, moron? Whether or not you photoshopped the pics or not is immaterial since this doesen't change the fact that the pics have been shopped. Period. End of discussion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Great post ! the bottom line is he did photoshopped them he even showed how he did it with Yates' pics http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946 he's busted and so is his buddy Hulkster who clung on to these photoshopped 99 screencaps for dear life as proof positive of how great Ronnie was and bow much better conditioned he was compared to Yates in the end like the truce thread it was all for nothing lol
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Ha ha ha...wow...Hulkster keeps arguing. Amazing...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What else can he do? seriously the kid has been beat left & right I mean he can't " say hey I didn't know and I'm wrong for pushing these as proof when there has been much speculation on their authenticity " the kid is fucked now he doesn't dare post them again lol for months and months be posted these in threads of all sorts man he looks more stupid than usual if thats even possible.
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As Kevin said, video productions have added sharpness and contrast on video. Right off the bat this tells us 2 things:
1) If the above statement is true, then all bodybuilders have added sharpness and contrast while on video. That creates an equal playing field for everyone.
2) If yates has added sharpness and contrast in the pic below, then he must look alot worse with out it ;D
Plus, there is still no proof that forcedreps pics were altered (even though they wern't in the first place). Argue all you want, the pics have been used by many, are used by many and will be used by many. You nuthuggers are just going to have to live with it. No one else is complaining.
CRY ON BYTCHES !!! ;D
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As Kevin said, video productions have added sharpness and contrast on video. Right off the bat this tells us 2 things:
1) If the above statement is true, then all bodybuilders have added sharpness and contrast while on video. That creates an equal playing field for everyone.
2) If yates has added sharpness and contrast in the pic below, then he must look alot worse with out it ;D
Plus, there is still no proof that forcedreps pics were altered (even though they wern't in the first place). Argue all you want, the pics have been used by many, are used by many and will be used by many. You nuthuggers are just going to have to live with it. No one else is complaining.
CRY ON BYTCHES !!! ;D
I knew you would be back ;) and who is claiming forcedreps screencaps are worked? NO ONE they were actually used as the template for who they were supposed to look not what ' Bizzy ' was trying to pass off as indicative of Ronnie
you're the idiots who are left crying the sceencaps you clung onto for dear life are photoshopped and you have nothing left except excuses and appeals to numbers
you're just as pwned as Hulkster & Bizzy you were pushing these for eons too lol
iceman = loser ;)
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Hulkster must be on suicide watch lol
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As Kevin said, video productions have added sharpness and contrast on video. Right off the bat this tells us 2 things:
1) If the above statement is true, then all bodybuilders have added sharpness and contrast while on video. That creates an equal playing field for everyone.
No, this is not true at all. The 1995 Olympia pics of Dorian taken from screecaps were not altered, and Mr.Horton demonstrated that by actually making giving the 1995 Dorian screecaps the same level of detail by using unmask sharp.
2) If yates has added sharpness and contrast in the pic below, then he must look alot worse with out it ;D
He didn't. Mr.Horton already demonstrated what Dorian would look like if he his pcitures had been unsharp masked.
Plus, there is still no proof that forcedreps pics were altered (even though they wern't in the first place). Argue all you want, the pics have been used by many, are used by many and will be used by many. You nuthuggers are just going to have to live with it. No one else is complaining.
By Zeus, are you dumb. Forcedreps might not have altered the pictures himself, but this is immaterial because the bottom line is that the pcitures he posted have been altered. No "ifs", "ands" or "buts". Why? Because the pictures he used from screencaps were taken by professionals, and thus they received the unsharp mask treatment before being released. The 1995 Dorian screecaps, conversely, were taken directly from video without compression. This is the reason why the resolution is so blurry. Keving Horton especifically mentioned that the 1995 Dorian screencaps haven't been sjopped, so that ends the argument right there. Just admit that you are wrong and move on, loser. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I love it.
now the idiot nuthuggers are claiming that all 99 contest screencaps are altered but all dorian screencaps are untouched..
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seriously guys, this "conspiracy theory for dorian only" bullshit is really really stupid.
its pathetic, really.
who would have thought that over a year later, not only are the excuses still pouring in, but that they are getting more and more far fetched and unbelievable all the time.
I would have thought you morons could come up with something a hell of a lot more plausible than this.
if you are going to pull an exuse out your ass, try and make it a plausible one next time..
honestly. ::)
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I love it.
now the idiot nuthuggers are claiming that all 99 contest screencaps are altered but all dorian screencaps are untouched..
That part is funny as hell. Let's see, now we have Pro Ronnie quotes, opinions and now pics that don't count and are discredited and all (only a few) pro yates quotes, opinions and now pics are credited (which by the way are also the same people that quoted Ronnie as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time).
This is so insane, it's just funny as hell. What's next?, yates has a better chest than Arnold?
Come on nuthuggers, let's here you admit it. You know you want to, LOL.
PATHETIC ::)
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and who is claiming forcedreps screencaps are worked? NO ONE
Like I said, thanks for admitting it again. I've always used forcedreps pics from day one, but it's the yates nuthuggers that were and still bytching about fake pics. Deal with it.
Sherlock, LOL. All you did was post the original pic (not photoshopped) and then you post a sharpened (photoshopped) pic and claim that the original was photoshopped. Are you actually reading what you type? I sure hope not all ATHEISTS are not as dumb as you.
What happened to your "ad populum" moron? Bodybuilding is based on popular opinion and numbers. If you deny this then you don't know shyt about bodybuilding. I owned your dumba$$ and showed you that "ad populum" cannot be used in bodybuilding. The whole base of bodybuilding is popular opinion and numbers.
Since you hate posting pics anymore, you were left with quotes. You got out quoted everytime. I challenged you to post 3 quotes saying that yates is the greatest of all-time and all you do is run away with your tail between your legs, LOL. We are all waiting on the quotes. After all, you claim that he is so great, there must be atleast 3 quotes out there. Stop running like a little bytch and post the quotes. Here, I'll start the numbering for ya:
1)
2)
3)
If you do post any quotes or on different subjects, guess what you are doing? You're contributing to an "ad populum" argument according to you. If this is the case, then you can't post any quotes moron. See how dumb your "ad populum" argument is?
Bottom line is : Bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion and Numbers
You just got OWNED the F*CK OUT
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No, this is not true at all. The 1995 Olympia pics of Dorian taken from screecaps were not altered, and Mr.Horton demonstrated that by actually making giving the 1995 Dorian screecaps the same level of detail by using unmask sharp.
He didn't. Mr.Horton already demonstrated what Dorian would look like if he his pcitures had been unsharp masked.
By Zeus, are you dumb. Forcedreps might not have altered the pictures himself, but this is immaterial because the bottom line is that the pcitures he posted have been altered. No "ifs", "ands" or "buts". Why? Because the pictures he used from screencaps were taken by professionals, and thus they received the unsharp mask treatment before being released. The 1995 Dorian screecaps, conversely, were taken directly from video without compression. This is the reason why the resolution is so blurry. Keving Horton especifically mentioned that the 1995 Dorian screencaps haven't been sjopped, so that ends the argument right there. Just admit that you are wrong and move on, loser. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Please ::)
Quit it with the excuses. Go home with that bs.
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I haven't seen all the screen caps from every show, but a lot that have been put forward as evidence in various arguments have been.
How they appeared in person is the only thing that really matters.
Any nuthuggers reading this? We have 40 + quotes of bodybuilders, judges, IFBB owners, experts, photographers, writers, etc. who have seen both yates and Ronnie in person during their prime and they all say that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.
Thanks Kevin
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I love it.
now the idiot nuthuggers are claiming that all 99 contest screencaps are altered but all dorian screencaps are untouched..
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seriously guys, this "conspiracy theory for dorian only" bullshit is really really stupid.
its pathetic, really.
who would have thought that over a year later, not only are the excuses still pouring in, but that they are getting more and more far fetched and unbelievable all the time.
I would have thought you morons could come up with something a hell of a lot more plausible than this.
if you are going to pull an exuse out your ass, try and make it a plausible one next time..
honestly. ::)
the meltdown continues ;) and you couldn't be anymore wrong as usual . I never claimed all the 99 screencaps were all altered just the ones YOU were using the ones YOU claimed as ' visual proof ' of Ronnie's dominance lol the ones YOU insisted we were ' afraid ' of lmmfao
and please show me where I said the the Yates' ones are unaltered ;) there are a couple that have been sharpened by YOUR boy ;) and like Horton said a lot of the 99 screencaps are worked and by who? YOUR boy
look I know you're crushed and have been exposed again for using photoshopped pics but stop trying to deflect this is about you getting busted by a graphic artist and one of the best professional contest photographers , you must being going nuts not being able to post that ' overwhelming damaging visual evidence ' which was after all photoshopped LMMFAO
Hulkster = loser
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Any nuthuggers reading this? We have 40 + quotes of bodybuilders, judges, IFBB owners, experts, photographers, writers, etc. who have seen both yates and Ronnie in person during their prime and they all say that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.
Thanks Kevin
LMFAO nice attempt at salvaging something from your asskicking , I love now you're forced to cling to what I have been saying all along , pics & video don't mean shit compared to real life ;) and you with your slanted ' comparisons ' making polls on numerous message boards posting them as ' proof ' lol making polls begging for people to agree with you based on your ' pics ' lol and after all that you are now forced to concede all your ' creations ' are worthless LMMFAO you're such a tool
bodybuilding experts like Greg Valentino lol and Flex Wheeler who had Ronnie in first place after the prejudging in 2007 LMMFAO and again you have yet to answer this question out of fear , how is ANYONE'S opinion on if Ronnie would beat Dorian more valid than Ronnie himself? and what does he have to say on the subject? ;) yeah I thought so lol
iceman = dummy who is forced to agree with me now lol all that matters is how they looked in person lol how does it feel to be proven dead wrong by me yet again?
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Any nuthuggers reading this? We have 40 + quotes of bodybuilders, judges, IFBB owners, experts, photographers, writers, etc. who have seen both yates and Ronnie in person during their prime and they all say that Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.
Thanks Kevin
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh t...so you posted shopped pictures of Ronnie because you believe that how they look onstage is what matters, huh? It's funny that you quote tons of people who saw them both live and yet post pictures that do not represent how Ronnie looked live. So what is it, dude? ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Like I said, thanks for admitting it again. I've always used forcedreps pics from day one, but it's the yates nuthuggers that were and still bytching about fake pics. Deal with it.
Sherlock, LOL. All you did was post the original pic (not photoshopped) and then you post a sharpened (photoshopped) pic and claim that the original was photoshopped. Are you actually reading what you type? I sure hope not all ATHEISTS are not as dumb as you.
What happened to your "ad populum" moron? Bodybuilding is based on popular opinion and numbers. If you deny this then you don't know shyt about bodybuilding. I owned your dumba$$ and showed you that "ad populum" cannot be used in bodybuilding. The whole base of bodybuilding is popular opinion and numbers.
Since you hate posting pics anymore, you were left with quotes. You got out quoted everytime. I challenged you to post 3 quotes saying that yates is the greatest of all-time and all you do is run away with your tail between your legs, LOL. We are all waiting on the quotes. After all, you claim that he is so great, there must be atleast 3 quotes out there. Stop running like a little bytch and post the quotes. Here, I'll start the numbering for ya:
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If you do post any quotes or on different subjects, guess what you are doing? You're contributing to an "ad populum" argument according to you. If this is the case, then you can't post any quotes moron. See how dumb your "ad populum" argument is?
Bottom line is : Bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion and Numbers
You just got OWNED the F*CK OUT
Like I said, thanks for admitting it again. I've always used forcedreps pics from day one, but it's the yates nuthuggers that were and still bytching about fake pics. Deal with it.
I doubt you always used forcedraps screencaps and I could careless either way because your ' comparisons ' are just as pathetic as his photoshopped screencaps NEITHER are accurate depictions of reality ;) and no one is bitching about the ' fake ' screencaps just exposing the pathetic lengths you morons have to go in order to try prove how much better Ronnie was
Sherlock, LOL. All you did was post the original pic (not photoshopped) and then you post a sharpened (photoshopped) pic and claim that the original was photoshopped. Are you actually reading what you type? I sure hope not all ATHEISTS are not as dumb as you.
Where did I claim the original was photoshopped? I know you have comprehension problems but feel free to show me where I said the original is photoshopped
What happened to your "ad populum" moron? Bodybuilding is based on popular opinion and numbers. If you deny this then you don't know shyt about bodybuilding. I owned your dumba$$ and showed you that "ad populum" cannot be used in bodybuilding. The whole base of bodybuilding is popular opinion and numbers.
do yourself a favor and NEVER question anyone's intelligence , again you haven't done a damn thing , bodybuilding is most certainly not based on popular opinion thats just such an ignorant statement the MINORITY judge contests not the MAJORITY there are just 13 judges who judge a contest the 8000 or so fans have NO control over the outcome of a contest what so ever , this isn't American Idol , fans don't get to pick who the best bodybuilder is. there is no online voting or text message and phone call voting there are 13 judges who decide who has the superior physique based on a set of criteria
so your 40 experts ( Greg Valentino is now an ' expert ' ) don't prove Ronnie would beat Yates , it ONLY proves its a popular opinion he would beat Yates , textbook argument ad populum and the defense of the intellectually bankrupt ( you ) you're an idiot if you think that is anything other than an appeal to the masses
Since you hate posting pics anymore, you were left with quotes. You got out quoted everytime. I challenged you to post 3 quotes saying that yates is the greatest of all-time and all you do is run away with your tail between your legs, LOL. We are all waiting on the quotes. After all, you claim that he is so great, there must be atleast 3 quotes out there. Stop running like a little bytch and post the quotes. Here, I'll start the numbering for ya:
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2)
3)
fuck me more weak ass logic and appeal to numbers yet again LMMFAO the Canadian public school systems leave a lot to be desired and I thought American schools sucked , I don't need one single quote that says Dorian is the greatest of all-time I don't ( and I wouldn't even claim he is ) all I need is 3 quotes from The Greatest Bodybuilder of All-Time saying he couldn't beat Dorian , which I have ;) and does it mean its true? NO but his opinion carries more weight than ANY of the 40 you listed and why? because its the man in question commenting on the topic at hand
Bottom line is : Bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion and Numbers
Bottom line is you're an idiot for many reasons and you've done not one damn thing to support your claims , you have no argument just an appeal to numbers and quotes that you think carry more weight than the man in question lol because they're nothing more than numerous , bodybuilding is based on criteria and 13 judges decide who was the superior physique based on that criteria this has NOTHING to do with popular opinion , the popular opinion is Ronnie lost the 2001 Mr Olympia but the minority judges thought otherwise and when I check the history books it says Ronnie Coleman winner of the 2001 Mr Olympia contest ;)
You just got OWNED the F*CK OUT
Oh boy lol talk about self-ownage of epic proportions , you're too stupid to realize you just owned yourself by typing this nonsense , they say ignorance is bliss go be happy dummy because you sure don't know anything about competitive bodybuilding.
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Bump for Hulkster brutal ownage by Horton lol
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Bump for Hulkster brutal ownage by Horton lol
It's funny how no matter how much one tries to "sharpen" Yates' pics or screenshots you can still never get close to the detail in Coleman's sharpened pics :)
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It's funny how no matter how much one tries to "sharpen" Yates' pics or screenshots you can still never get close to the detail in Coleman's sharpened pics :)
Different lighting, why do you think Coleman looked so poor in 2000 compared to 99? The lighting in 2000 was some of the worst ever.
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Different lighting, why do you think Coleman looked so poor in 2000 compared to 99? The lighting in 2000 was some of the worst ever.
Even if you compare Coleman's pics from 2000 to any of Yates' screenshots Ronnie would still look better in all poses except for the rear lat spread and ab-thigh.
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It's funny how no matter how much one tries to "sharpen" Yates' pics or screenshots you can still never get close to the detail in Coleman's sharpened pics :)
Nonsense
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Nonsense
lol I didn't say that you can't sharpen Yates' pics, what I did say is that even with sharpening Yates' pictures he does not look as detailed as Ronnie in Ronnie's sharpened pictures.
In other words, comparing an unsharpened pic of Yates with a sharpened one does not prove anything, compare a sharpened pic of Yates to one of Ronnie.
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lol I didn't say that you can't sharpen Yates' pics, what I did say is that even with sharpening Yates' pictures he does not look as detailed as Ronnie in Ronnie's sharpened pictures.
In other words, comparing an unsharpened pic of Yates with a sharpened one does not prove anything, compare a sharpened pic of Yates to one of Ronnie.
I know what you said and my point still stands , nonsense .
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Rorian is better than Donnie.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=259157;image)
best back double bi of all time.
few bbers can claim to be perfect in any pose, but yates nailed it with this.
calves, xmass tree, delts, even the arms.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=259157;image)
best back double bi of all time.
few bbers can claim to be perfect in any pose, but yates nailed it with this.
calves, xmass tree, delts, even the arms.
Right ! lacks absolutely nothing
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Right ! lacks absolutely nothing
and yet it is still not as good as Ronnie..
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I used a photoshop program to sharpen up this shot of dorian.
top shot is untouched.
bottom shot is sharpened.
what do you think?
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ND fears ForcedReps and reality:
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and yet it is still not as good as Ronnie..
I'm sorry but Dorian's back double just kills this one. Ronnie's calves look atrocious there. His lats are too high and Dorian's back is wider and more detailed.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=219295.0;attach=259157;image)
best back double bi of all time.
Until he lost his arms in 94 or was it 95? After that his rear double bicep pose was mediocre among the top contenders.
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Until he lost his arms in 94 or was it 95? After that his rear double bicep pose was mediocre among the top contenders.
you just lost ALL credibility calling ANY version of Dorian Yates' back double biceps medicore ::)
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you just lost ALL credibility calling ANY version of Dorian Yates' back double biceps medicore ::)
He's losing to Nasser and Ray here, and Nasser's rear double biceps pose wasn't considered to be his strong point.
Yates' rear double bi's looks great in that 93 shot, but by 94/95 and beyond he had no arms and his delts look comparatively small too, making it mediocre among the top contenders.
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you just lost ALL credibility calling ANY version of Dorian Yates' back double biceps medicore ::)
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yates had no arms for most of his reign:
I'd say that makes for a mediocre back double nothing..er biceps
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He's losing to Nasser and Ray here, and Nasser's rear double biceps pose wasn't considered to be his strong point.
Yates' rear double bi's looks great in that 93 shot, but by 94/95 and beyond he had no arms and his delts look comparatively small too, making it mediocre among the top contenders.
Losing? Please. Nasser's is the one losing to Yates and Ray. His condition is inferior. His back is soggy and the dead giveaway is the fatty glues compared to Yates/Ray's striated glutes. Dorian's back is super crisp with unparalleled delineation between the muscle groups.
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Dorian's back is super crisp with unparalleled delineation between the MISSING muscle groups
fixed. the guy has no biceps esp. the left arm.
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ND fears ForcedReps and reality:
I love how you're now forced to abandon your old screencaps lol this is such great shit lol NO you didn't think forcedreps screencaps were worth anything , YOU thought you struck gold with Bizzy's photoshopped pics lol now you look like a complete moron trying to save face with the old screencaps lol
I never feared anything especially not from 1999 I was the one that posted the forcedreps screencaps next to Bizzy's and said there is something wrong , and 1999 thats the same year Ronnie said he couldn't beat Yates ;) thats the same year they said Yates had the best back of all-time ;)
lets see Hulkster has now been exposed for lying and making up quotes from Shawn Ray , he's been exposed for knowingly using photoshopped pics and defending them to the death only to be exposed AGAIN lol
I feel bad for the Ronnie side that they have to take such desperate measures as to lie and photoshop pics lol and keep posting shots of Yates not at his best , supplementing their ' arguments ' with faulty logic , no wonder why I stopped posting in the Truce Thread you morons are finished a long time ago.
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He's losing to Nasser and Ray here, and Nasser's rear double biceps pose wasn't considered to be his strong point.
Yates' rear double bi's looks great in that 93 shot, but by 94/95 and beyond he had no arms and his delts look comparatively small too, making it mediocre among the top contenders.
Look I like to entertain other people's opinions but when you type this utter nonsense you can't be taken seriously , Dorian is easily winning this shot despite what you may think your ignorance of the IFBB criteria is screaming again go educate yourself on what makes a great pose from the IFBB judging standpoint
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and yet it is still not as good as Ronnie..
Again you can't use the official IFBB judging criteria and explain how 2001 is better , you just say it is but thats about all you can do
Dorian has a clear advantage over Ronnie in muscular bulk 269 pounds VS 244 pounds
Dorian has the clear advantage in density & dryness
Dorian again has the clear advantage in balance & proportion
Dorian's back double biceps is COMPLETE he's not missing anything , Ronnie is
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This just in: Hulkster believes that Kevin Horton, a professional bodybuilding photographer, is wrong about the 1999 screencaps being photoshopped. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This just in: Hulkster believes that Kevin Horton, a professional bodybuilding photographer, is wrong about the 1999 screencaps being photoshopped. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again more proof he's a fucking idiot , I mean the kid has been bitch slapped right & left what do you expect him to do? man up and say " Hey I didn't know " he's stupid a professional graphic artist says the screencaps were worked , he denies it ...one of the best professional contest photographers in the industry outs his partner in crime he denies it , his partner in crime ADMITS it LMMFAO and he still denies it http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.msg2534946#msg2534946
Hulkster is the biggest idiot on any message board I ever ran into , my advice if don't have any children we have enough stupid people already.