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is this the greatest conditioning ever on a natural:
discuss.
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is this the greatest conditioning ever on a natural:
discuss.
define "natural" ::)
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Who is "hris faildo?" ???
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Who is "hris faildo?" ???
;D small typo.
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;D small typo.
;D
Im not so convinced hes natural. Though hes small, hes got some serious hardness and conditioning that naturals usually cant achieve.
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Im not so convinced hes natural. Though hes small, hes got some serious hardness and conditioning that naturals usually cant achieve.
hmmmmm......ya think?
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Im not so convinced hes natural. Though hes small, hes got some serious hardness and conditioning that naturals usually cant achieve.
he has achieved ronnie coleman circa 1998-99 like definition :o
yes naturals walk a very fine thin line on their claims, however natural or not his conditioning is excellent, and he has a great physique.
Also even if he was taking anything, it would be no more than the rest are taking.
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For natural conditioning this is who i look at to encourage me to lean out.
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/KC%20Thumbnails/Routine%20Single%20Rear%20BiKC06.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/abs1.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/bk%2060%2024.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/KC%20Thumbnails/Rear%20DoubleKC06.jpg)
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define "natural" ::)
Anything available over the counter is fair game. This is Chris's own definition from the positive board.
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he has achieved ronnie coleman circa 1998-99 like definition :o
yes naturals walk a very fine thin line on their claims, however natural or not his conditioning is excellent, and he has a great physique.
Also even if he was taking anything, it would be no more than the rest are taking.
Do you guys forget we consider anything less than < 1,000 mg test week natural on getbig.. ;D
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Anything available over the counter is fair game. This is Chris's own definition from the positive board.
OTC in what country? :)
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hmmmmm......ya think?
Just trying to keep it positive bro
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he has achieved ronnie coleman circa 1998-99 like definition :o
yes naturals walk a very fine thin line on their claims, however natural or not his conditioning is excellent, and he has a great physique.
Also even if he was taking anything, it would be no more than the rest are taking.
I agree. Spot on. 8)
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OTC in what country? :)
As long as it's available OTC in some country it's OK to use. :D
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For natural conditioning this is who i look at to encourage me to lean out.
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/abs1.jpg)
hahahahahahahahaha yes he is obviously natural ::)
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For natural conditioning this is who i look at to encourage me to lean out.
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/KC%20Thumbnails/Routine%20Single%20Rear%20BiKC06.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/abs1.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/bk%2060%2024.jpg)
(http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/KC%20Thumbnails/Rear%20DoubleKC06.jpg)
::) ::)
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Also even if he was taking anything, it would be no more than the rest are taking.
yeah, so they should all stop with the "natural" claim.
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Here's the thing... if dude was natural, and it doesn't matter either way he looks sick, what type of conditioning could he bring if he stepped on the gas real hard for a few years? Obviously it would be a new standard, even way past Munzer, Gaspari, etc. Ergo, dude is sauced to the gills.
More power to him.
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Anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding can tell hes not natural. But if lying helps him sleep better at night, so be it. He looks exceptional nonetheless.
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As natural as most pornstars tits.
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looks great
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when pros such as chris or mike ashley claim natural status it is tough to not believe due to chris conditioning and shape,and ashley's muscle thickness and seperation,remember ashley hung to and even beat shawn ray who was unreal and using that makes shawn look less a genetic freak than he really was or so it seems if mike was natural.or not,then it was an even playing field.and to boot there has been leaps in bounds in training and supplementation since 86-91 when ashley competed in prime and there hasn't been a natural top pro finisher as mike ashley was?so there.
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As natural as most pornstars tits.
Don't you ever dare to laugh about porn stars and tits! Those are two holy things! Shame on you infidel!
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bump for crispy chicken skin :o
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hahahahahahahahaha yes he is obviously natural ::)
he posts in this forum, he is most certainly natural
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What is so inconceivable about a 165-lb man getting shredded without drugs?
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is this the greatest conditioning ever on a natural:
discuss.
Fatpanda, thanks for starting this- I am not only natural but a LIFETIME drug free IFBB Pro. How's that! I've been doing this for 27 years busting my ass not only in the gym but everything that has to do with trying to be the best Natural Bodybuilder in the World. I have never used any type of Steriods, Growth, insulin, clen, diuretic or any drug to help me reach my goals. I will challenge anyone who think i'm lying by taking urine or blood test ANYTIME. I have pasted every polygraph and urine test for all of the Team Universe shows and also at the World Championships. I am retired from the Army National Guard with 22 years of service and have pasted all of there drug test too. Come on guys- why would I make this shit up? Try spending a day, week, month, year with me before accusing me of something that I have never done. Better yet, order my DVD"Hurricane Warning" at www.cfaildo.com shot by Mitsuru Okabe and watch the interview part. You will understand more about who Chris Faildo really is. For those of you who still don't believe me- thanks for the compliment, you are the ones that keeps my fire burning everyday at 42 years of age......202lbs. coming soon!
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Fatpanda, thanks for starting this- I am not only natural but a LIFETIME drug free IFBB Pro. How's that! I've been doing this for 27 years busting my ass not only in the gym but everything that has to do with trying to be the best Natural Bodybuilder in the World. I have never used any type of Steriods, Growth, insulin, clen, diuretic or any drug to help me reach my goals. I will challenge anyone who think i'm lying by taking urine or blood test ANYTIME. I have pasted every polygraph and urine test for all of the Team Universe shows and also at the World Championships. I am retired from the Army National Guard with 22 years of service and have pasted all of there drug test too. Come on guys- why would I make this shit up? Try spending a day, week, month, year with me before accusing me of something that I have never done. Better yet, order my DVD"Hurricane Warning" at www.cfaildo.com shot by Mitsuru Okabe and watch the interview part. You will understand more about who Chris Faildo really is. For those of you who still don't believe me- thanks for the compliment, you are the ones that keeps my fire burning everyday at 42 years of age......202lbs. coming soon!
no way to prove it
you sure do look outstanding...some of the best conditioning I have ever seen
you do know
that those tests you mentioned...all of them...prove little
as they are easily, very easily circumvented...and are regularly, at team u and similar shows
you could never convince these folks otherwise
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no way to prove it
you sure do look outstanding...some of the best conditioning I have ever seen
you do know
that those tests you mentioned...all of them...prove little
as they are easily, very easily circumvented...and are regularly, at team u and similar shows
you could never convince these folks otherwise
How about the Army National Guard tests? Are they easily circumvented?
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Props to the man for posting in this thread.
Seems like a good dude.
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Anything available over the counter is fair game. This is Chris's own definition from the positive board.
Over the Pharmacy counter. Brutal use of diuretics.
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I have never used any type of Steriods, Growth, insulin, clen, diuretic or any drug to help me reach my goals.
Did you ever use tiratricol, a potent thyroid hormone, like the Thermolife site says?
ThermoLife International and Chris Faildo first came to know each other about 5 years ago when we sent Chris samples of Tricana (the worlds greatest over the counter fat burner ever sold) and asked him to try it. We asked Chris to let us know if he liked the Tricana and if he did, would he endorse it for us and let us use his picture in our ad for Tricana. Needless to say that Chris liked Tricana (and so did everyone else who had ever tried it) and in exchange for a few bottles Chris was nice enough to let us use his picture in our advertisement for Tricana.
http://www.thermolife.com/news.html#chris_faildo
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/tptriac.html
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How about the Army National Guard tests? Are they easily circumvented?
good question...I don't see why they'd be any more sophisticated....nothing that could not be beaten by finesteride, making agent
many supposed naturals= "methinks they doth protest too much..."
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many supposed naturals= "methinks they doth protest too much..."
HAHAHAHHAAH Amen to that
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He probably means "natural" like Gustavo does. ::)
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good question...I don't see why they'd be any more sophisticated....nothing that could not be beaten by finesteride, making agent
many supposed naturals= "methinks they doth protest too much..."
yes i think a true natural would reply to doping allegations the way kyomu does .. = "it is a great honor"..and leave it at that
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no way to prove it
you sure do look outstanding...some of the best conditioning I have ever seen
you do know
that those tests you mentioned...all of them...prove little
as they are easily, very easily circumvented...and are regularly, at team u and similar shows
you could never convince these folks otherwise
[/quoteThanks for keeping my fire burning!!!!!!!!
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Fatpanda, thanks for starting this- I am not only natural but a LIFETIME drug free IFBB Pro. How's that! I've been doing this for 27 years busting my ass not only in the gym but everything that has to do with trying to be the best Natural Bodybuilder in the World. I have never used any type of Steriods, Growth, insulin, clen, diuretic or any drug to help me reach my goals. I will challenge anyone who think i'm lying by taking urine or blood test ANYTIME. I have pasted every polygraph and urine test for all of the Team Universe shows and also at the World Championships. I am retired from the Army National Guard with 22 years of service and have pasted all of there drug test too. Come on guys- why would I make this shit up? Try spending a day, week, month, year with me before accusing me of something that I have never done. Better yet, order my DVD"Hurricane Warning" at www.cfaildo.com shot by Mitsuru Okabe and watch the interview part. You will understand more about who Chris Faildo really is. For those of you who still don't believe me- thanks for the compliment, you are the ones that keeps my fire burning everyday at 42 years of age......202lbs. coming soon!
props chris, like i said you have conditioning there like ronnie had in his best years. amazing achievment for a natural :o
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good question...I don't see why they'd be any more sophisticated....nothing that could not be beaten by finesteride, making agent
many supposed naturals= "methinks they doth protest too much..."
I have run both nat and non nat shows for many years
i have competed way back on, and later in my career without assistance
always, always, always...the guys who complain, rant, rave, worry about others, etc, etc, etc, are the ones who scream "NATURAL"
He who screams loudest is often guilty
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How about the Army National Guard tests? Are they easily circumvented?
Tom Wiggins, a really good BBer from San Diego back in the early 90's was active duty Marines or Nacy-forgot which one, and he was on all kinds of shit. He also had tons of Lasix, and when he would get piss tested, which was fairly often, he would pop a lasix and he would just dump all the water out of his system and after a few hours he could pass a piss test, according to him anyway.
He who screams loudest is often guilty
Bullshit-I dont buy that at all, if you're drug free say it.
Speaking your mind does not imply guilt-at least not in my book. In fact I would think the ones who did not fight the charge would be more likely to be guilty.
props chris, like i said you have conditioning there like ronnie had in his best years. amazing achievment for a natural :o
Ronnie never had Chris Faildo type conditioning, Dorian did, but Ronnie-never.
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But I wonder how fun and joyful it is to get in to that conditioning or staying there for any period of time. I suspect compulsive and obsessive behavior towards detail and discipline is needed to get there. Just to show off? While most people don't care more than 30 seconds about what he has worked and suffered for over months on end to look like that. While the subject himself always magnify the importance or how much he believes other cares about it by the order of 50 times, at least. The result: he doesn't even look "good" or healthy, just extreme. :-\
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He looks great.
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Give the man a little respect. Chris is always a professional and nothing but nice to all he meets. His physique does the talking and why hate on someone for achieving their goals. I shot the photos that are posted and he is every bit as shredded in person as he looks in the pics. I believe him when he says he is natural and he's shown he is a pro by being consistent.
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Give the man a little respect. Chris is always a professional and nothing but nice to all he meets. His physique does the talking and why hate on someone for achieving their goals. I shot the photos that are posted and he is every bit as shredded in person as he looks in the pics. I believe him when he says he is natural and he's shown he is a pro by being consistent.
LiftSchmoedios, Chris gets tons of respect on the Positive Board, in the sticky we have put up for him, if you have questions for him, feel free to ask there.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222099.0
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Give the man a little respect. Chris is always a professional and nothing but nice to all he meets. His physique does the talking and why hate on someone for achieving their goals. I shot the photos that are posted and he is every bit as shredded in person as he looks in the pics. I believe him when he says he is natural and he's shown he is a pro by being consistent.
Thanks Lift, great photos by the way. You always seem to bring out the best in your shots. How did those pics turn out in Denver. See ya in Vegas bro.
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LiftSchmoedios, Chris gets tons of respect on the Positive Board, in the sticky we have put up for him, if you have questions for him, feel free to ask there.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222099.0
u know chaos, something pretty good is happening at that positive board over there. Must be the mods. ;D
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Tom Wiggins, a really good BBer from San Diego back in the early 90's was active duty Marines or Nacy-forgot which one, and he was on all kinds of shit. He also had tons of Lasix, and when he would get piss tested, which was fairly often, he would pop a lasix and he would just dump all the water out of his system and after a few hours he could pass a piss test, according to him anyway.
Leo Ingram is also active duty.
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Tom Wiggins, a really good BBer from San Diego back in the early 90's was active duty Marines or Nacy-forgot which one, and he was on all kinds of shit. He also had tons of Lasix, and when he would get piss tested, which was fairly often, he would pop a lasix and he would just dump all the water out of his system and after a few hours he could pass a piss test, according to him anyway.
Bullshit-I dont buy that at all, if you're drug free say it.
i just don't think some of these nats should be so plaintive...in my experience...unique to those of others, this is the behavior i have observed...i personally think it is tacky and classless spouting off about one's drug status....you don't go to a perty lambasting others loudly for drinking if/when you do not
Speaking your mind does not imply guilt-at least not in my book. In fact I would think the ones who did not fight the charge would be more likely to be guilty.
Ronnie never had Chris Faildo type conditioning, Dorian did, but Ronnie-never.
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LiftSchmoedios, Chris gets tons of respect on the Positive Board, in the sticky we have put up for him, if you have questions for him, feel free to ask there.
;D LOL at "LiftSchmoedios"
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u know chaos, something pretty good is happening at that positive board over there. Must be the mods. ;D
Yep, business is picking up, has to be the IronFisted Moderators on The Positive Board. ;D
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Thanks Lift, great photos by the way. You always seem to bring out the best in your shots. How did those pics turn out in Denver. See ya in Vegas bro.
Chris, what are your feelings on thyroid boosters and pro-hormones bro?
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Chris do you think Mesmorph is natural?
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Chris, what are your feelings on thyroid boosters and pro-hormones bro?
Probably better to ask him that question in his thread on The Positive Board
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222099.0
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Give the man a little respect. Chris is always a professional and nothing but nice to all he meets. His physique does the talking and why hate on someone for achieving their goals. I shot the photos that are posted and he is every bit as shredded in person as he looks in the pics. I believe him when he says he is natural and he's shown he is a pro by being consistent.
well you must have taken more then, so post them :)
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by the way.. ashley was not natural.. so using him as a example is not accuarate.. quite a few pros that competed with mike and knew him used to laugh at that assertion.. but, it got him quite a bit of publicity didnt it?..
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Hey Guys don't hate, I'm just sharing to you my life as a bodybuilder. I could care less who's on and whos not- I chose to be a lifetimer and that's how it's gonna be. I'm proud to have a IFBB Pro card in my wallet, how many of you can say that? Judge me after you have watched my DVD. I bet you'll have a different perspective about who I am. www.cfaildo.com
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Serge Nubret to this day claims he never used steroids. Robby Robinson claims he's a lifetime natural as well. Come on. Some of us aren't that stupid. There is no POSSIBLE way the human body can achieve your look without some sort of chemical assistance. No fucking way!
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Give the man a little respect. Chris is always a professional and nothing but nice to all he meets. His physique does the talking and why hate on someone for achieving their goals. I shot the photos that are posted and he is every bit as shredded in person as he looks in the pics. I believe him when he says he is natural and he's shown he is a pro by being consistent.
Spoken like a true toolshed. ::)
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Far from natural you tools.
Every idiot that even considers that dude being natural has no clue about bodybuilding or the human body in general.
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Hey Guys don't hate, I'm just sharing to you my life as a bodybuilder. I could care less who's on and whos not- I chose to be a lifetimer and that's how it's gonna be. I'm proud to have a IFBB Pro card in my wallet, how many of you can say that? Judge me after you have watched my DVD. I bet you'll have a different perspective about who I am. www.cfaildo.com
. If you are so proud of what you've accomplished drug free post your diet, cardio, weight training regimen. You have an image to uphold, i.e. your livelihood is your body. Who's gonna buy your DVD's and take your advice if you were to admit your physique is not attainable naturally? You, just like everyone else in the industry has every incentive to lie. Sorry bud! No wonder no one respects pros these days. Who do you think you are? Do you think you have some sort of god like genetics that makes you different than your fellow human beings? Do you think you have some sort of magical power to manipulate the laws of physiology? LMAO! Man some of you guys in the IFBB are in serious delusional denial.
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Far from natural you tools.
Every idiot that even considers that dude being natural has no clue about bodybuilding or the human body in general.
Yes those fools would be better off posting here where beliefs like theirs are shared.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&f=58
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a korean bodybuilder(who taught me how to train) who was about 5'5
had almost exact same physique as chris faildo, except he was not as shredded
(maybe 6~7% BF)
let me tell you guys that korean bber was lifetime natural.
how do i know?
i was the one who introduced him to nitric oxide and Optimum's 100% whey protein!
he didn't even know about fat-burners! (he was drinking green tea all day long)
i am so grateful i learned from him, and was able to see his physique day in day out
and to this day i strive to look just like him... without drugs like he did
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i remember him eating ramen noodles before a contest and asked him why are you eating carbs before a contest (i didn't know jackshit about carb-loading, nutrition back then)
and i remember him mumbling something like "i look good after eating ramen" or some
stupid reply LOL
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a korean bodybuilder(who taught me how to train) who was about 5'5
had almost exact same physique as chris faildo, except he was not as shredded
(maybe 6~7% BF)
let me tell you guys that korean bber was lifetime natural.
how do i know?
i was the one who introduced him to nitric oxide and Optimum's 100% whey protein!
he didn't even know about fat-burners! (he was drinking green tea all day long)
i am so grateful i learned from him, and was able to see his physique day in day out
and to this day i strive to look just like him... without drugs like he did
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Leo Ingram is also active duty.
Not anymore. He retired in late 2007 and moved back to Atlanta.
. If you are so proud of what you've accomplished drug free post your diet, cardio, weight training regimen. You have an image to uphold, i.e. your livelihood is your body. Who's gonna buy your DVD's and take your advice if you were to admit your physique is not attainable naturally? You, just like everyone else in the industry has every incentive to lie. Sorry bud! No wonder no one respects pros these days. Who do you think you are? Do you think you have some sort of god like genetics that makes you different than your fellow human beings? Do you think you have some sort of magical power to manipulate the laws of physiology? LMAO! Man some of you guys in the IFBB are in serious delusional denial.
What makes you think that he hasn't posted his regimen, already? As much as it may grate your psyche, Faildo does have God-given genetics that allows him to look the way he does. He's simply doing the best with what he has.
Again, why do some people think that it takes a bunch of drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped?
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Hey Guys don't hate, I'm just sharing to you my life as a bodybuilder. I could care less who's on and whos not- I chose to be a lifetimer and that's how it's gonna be. I'm proud to have a IFBB Pro card in my wallet, how many of you can say that? Judge me after you have watched my DVD. I bet you'll have a different perspective about who I am. www.cfaildo.com
What a pathetic salesman you are...
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Not anymore. He retired in late 2007 and moved back to Atlanta.
What makes you think that he hasn't posted his regimen, already? As much as it may grate your psyche, Faildo does have God-given genetics that allows him to look the way he does. He's simply doing the best with what he has.
Again, why do some people think that it takes a bunch of drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped?
No one is saying you can't get ripped naturally............... .....but when your skin is pretty much shrinkwrapped over your muscles and you've got pencil thick vascularity all over your arms and legs gimme a break. That screams drugs.
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Chris, what are your feelings on thyroid boosters and pro-hormones bro?
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Chris couple questions.....
What does your cardio look like to achieve this conditioning?
What does your diet look like and how long do you diet? Do you carb cycle? Do you feel the longer you diet the harder you get and the thinner your skin gets?
What are some keys that you believe are essential to you achieving this kind of conditioning?
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Serge Nubret to this day claims he never used steroids. ome of us aren't that stupid. There is no POSSIBLE way the human bodyRobby Robinson claims he's a lifetime natural as well. Come on. S can achieve your look without some sort of chemical assistance. No fucking way!
does he? now THAT is rich
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Hey Guys don't hate, I'm just sharing to you my life as a bodybuilder. I could care less who's on and whos not- I chose to be a lifetimer and that's how it's gonna be. I'm proud to have a IFBB Pro card in my wallet, how many of you can say that? Judge me after you have watched my DVD. I bet you'll have a different perspective about who I am. www.cfaildo.com
if you were truly comfortable within your own success, you'd never make this statement/question
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does he? now THAT is rich
Yep. Robbie claims drug free status. Along with other breathtaking naturals like Skip La Cour, Badell and meso78
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Not anymore. He retired in late 2007 and moved back to Atlanta.
What makes you think that he hasn't posted his regimen, already? As much as it may grate your psyche, Faildo does have God-given genetics that allows him to look the way he does. He's simply doing the best with what he has.
Again, why do some people think that it takes a bunch of drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped?
bodyweight is not invariably prop to useage
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Yep. Robbie claims drug free status. Along with other breathtaking naturals like Skip La Cour, Badell and meso78
well, he must be suffering dementia, I got all the first-hand stories with him
LaCour=Puh-Leeeesssee
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No one is saying you can't get ripped naturally............... .....but when your skin is pretty much shrinkwrapped over your muscles and you've got pencil thick vascularity all over your arms and legs gimme a break. That screams drugs.
good points...
So then my conclusion is he's using something
OR
He's such a genetic freak that his DVD, lectures, advice would mean VERY LITTLE to the rest of us with "normal" genetics. :-\
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good points...
So then my conclusion is he's using something
OR
He's such a genetic freak that his DVD, lectures, advice would mean VERY LITTLE to the rest of us with "normal" genetics. :-\
right on
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Not to bust on him too badly.....but of the 18 posts he has, Chris mentions his DVD in 7. of them. Nothing against the guy (really Chris)....just found that funny.
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well you must have taken more then, so post them :)
I did when they were taken, a year ago.
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Did you ever use tiratricol, a potent thyroid hormone, like the Thermolife site says?
http://www.thermolife.com/news.html#chris_faildo
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/tptriac.html
bump for this question that Chris ignored
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comparing ronnie and this little dude has got to be a joke
ronnie's condition cant be compared to anyone but himself
one can compare Chris' dryness with strydom labrada gaspari etc
this guy prolly shot more chemicals into himself then a top 10 O contender, only he cant grow.
skip lacour and all the other fools come to mind.
why question this further? It IS like that. Everything the guy says is a joke.
Buying this DVD doesnt even come to mind.
no offence Chris, but that is My truth :)
ps: moosejay, welcome Back.
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Not to bust on him too badly.....but of the 18 posts he has, Chris mentions his DVD in 7. of them. Nothing against the guy (really Chris)....just found that funny.
maybe it's a "must have" DVD for all bodybuilding aficionados?
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you also have to remember that the military doesnt do extensive drug testing. they make you take a leak on a coulored strip that tests for specific drugs like coke and heroin. They dont want junkies, no one cares about steroids. so making bullshit claims like I passes the coast guards drug test doesnt prove shit.
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awesome conditioning on the dude. props
but natural.... gimme a break..TU is as much drug federation as the ifbb...
and @ moosejay "the biggest users screams the loudest" stfu you quacksalver toolbag. you used steroids what does that tell us?
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well, he must be suffering dementia, I got all the first-hand stories with him
LaCour=Puh-Leeeesssee
I've never seen Robbie claim to be a lifetime natural.
I have seen him claim he was natural before he moved to California after his early successes, but admitting he used after that.
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and @ moosejay "the biggest users screams the loudest" stfu you quacksalver toolbag. you used steroids what does that tell us?
That he's honest and doesn't scream the loudest?
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To all you haters, thanks again....I'm gonna kick some major ass in the gym today! Think what you want I'm totally cool with that. Oh yeah, and to those who believe what I'm saying about being a lifetime Drug free BB'er- Thank you for the suppor. Jump on the positive boards Q&A and I'll talk to you there. p.s Isaac, awesome pic's bro.
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To all you haters, thanks again....I'm gonna kick some major ass in the gym today! Think what you want I'm totally cool with that. Oh yeah, and to those who believe what I'm saying about being a lifetime Drug free BB'er- Thank you for the suppor. Jump on the positive boards Q&A and I'll talk to you there. p.s Isaac, awesome pic's bro.
differing interpretations do not equate to hate
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To all you haters, thanks again....I'm gonna kick some major ass in the gym today! Think what you want I'm totally cool with that. Oh yeah, and to those who believe what I'm saying about being a lifetime Drug free BB'er- Thank you for the suppor. Jump on the positive boards Q&A and I'll talk to you there. p.s Isaac, awesome pic's bro.
haha... how can you not hate a LIAR? What do you expect when YOU straight up lie to folks....
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gayer than IF Chris Faildo is natural, then following his advice about diet, training, supps would be as USELESS as following Mike Matarazzo's calf training routine! ::) ::)
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differing interpretations do not equate to hate
differing interpretations when comparing apples and oranges yes, however youre also including your perspective which makes your statement not so academic as it may sound to you. implying that you merely have a different interpretation than Chris is selling yourself short, your agenda/jealousy is obvious.
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No one is saying you can't get ripped naturally............... .....but when your skin is pretty much shrinkwrapped over your muscles and you've got pencil thick vascularity all over your arms and legs gimme a break. That screams drugs.
No, that screams low bodyfat. That old guy (Clarence Bass), who did the "Ripped" books from the late 80s and early 90s, had similar definition and looks to be the same bodyweight. But, he looks scrawny (by comparison to Faildo), because he's taller.
The shrink-wrapped look simply means that he ain't holding any subcutaneous water. You don't need drugs to achieve that. It's quite harder to do that without them. But, it can be done.
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No, that screams low bodyfat. That old guy (Clarence Bass), who did the "Ripped" books from the late 80s and early 90s, had similar definition and looks to be the same bodyweight. But, he looks scrawny (by comparison to Faildo), because he's taller.
The shrink-wrapped look simply means that he ain't holding any subcutaneous water. You don't need drugs to achieve that. It's quite harder to do that without them. But, it can be done.
I believe there were stories bass used,i'd say he was less than 165 also he had no leg mass.he was heavy in some photos early on then learned how to and then wrote books.
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I believe there were stories bass used,i'd say he was less than 165 also he had no leg mass.he was heavy in some photos early on then learned how to and then wrote books.
Bass is about the same bodyweight as Faildo (give or take 5 lbs); but, he 5'6, three inches taller. That, combined with a relative lack of muscle shape, makes him look much smaller than the "Hawaiian Hurricane".
Nonetheless, as far as muscle goes, 165 lbs. is 165 lbs. If Bass can get that shredded, drug-free, why can't Faildo?
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I did when they were taken, a year ago.
:o :o :o
amazing, absolutly amazing
the greatest natural ever. 8)
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Bass is about the same bodyweight as Faildo (give or take 5 lbs); but, he 5'6, three inches taller. That, combined with a relative lack of muscle shape, makes him look much smaller than the "Hawaiian Hurricane".
Nonetheless, as far as muscle goes, 165 lbs. is 165 lbs. If Bass can get that shredded, drug-free, why can't Faildo?
1. Get a book on genetics...turn to page 1, and read. ;)
2. When comparing weight, how can you take height out of the equation?! ::)
3. Bass looked like a ripped toothpick, which is why it's believable. That's always been the problem with naturals...they have a choice, either large and smooth, are small and shredded PERIOD. Sorry, you can't have both without some chemical assistance.
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Look out Blacks it looks like the Asians are now the genetically gifted. ::)
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1. Get a book on genetics...turn to page 1, and read. ;)
2. When comparing weight, how can you take height out of the equation?! ::)
3. Bass looked like a ripped toothpick, which is why it's believable. That's always been the problem with naturals...they have a choice, either large and smooth, are small and shredded PERIOD. Sorry, you can't have both without some chemical assistance.
I already explained why Bass looks like a "ripped toothpick": He's taller and doesn't have the shape and proportions that Faildo does. Regardless of height and shape, both men have about the same amount of muscle mass. That leaves you the task of explaining why one 165-lb man can get ripped, drug-free, while the other cannot.
Bass' diet and training regime won't work on Faildo, because Faildo is shorter? ???
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a lot of haters on this thread. :'(
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a lot of haters on this thread. :'(
yup you can say that again.
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To all you haters, thanks again....I'm gonna kick some major ass in the gym today! Think what you want I'm totally cool with that. Oh yeah, and to those who believe what I'm saying about being a lifetime Drug free BB'er- Thank you for the suppor. Jump on the positive boards Q&A and I'll talk to you there. p.s Isaac, awesome pic's bro.
You said you don't use any drugs, and never did, to get ripped. But your sponsor's ad says you loved their tiratricol product. That's a drug buddy - a very potent one. ;)
Not that I think your use is limited to OTC drugs either but that's one drug you admit to having used.
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I already explained why Bass looks like a "ripped toothpick": He's taller and doesn't have the shape and proportions that Faildo does. Regardless of height and shape, both men have about the same amount of muscle mass. That leaves you the task of explaining why one 165-lb man can get ripped, drug-free, while the other cannot.
Bass' diet and training regime won't work on Faildo, because Faildo is shorter? ???
Forget about bodyweight or even bodyfat levels. There's a certain look that drugs give.
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Chris, what are your feelings on thyroid boosters and pro-hormones bro?
SM leaving the bait out there so he can go on for another 26 some odd pages about how someone who follows bodybuilding has no idea what pro-hormones are.
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Keep it up guys, tooooooo funny. Almost as funny as some of those mistakes Mitsuru Okabe didn't delete in my DVD. www.cfaildo.com
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Drugs are fun. I agree. :D
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What is so inconceivable about a 165-lb man getting shredded without drugs?
The human body isn't intended to be shredded.
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Drugs are fun. I agree. :D
LOL ;D
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The human body isn't intended to be shredded.
Could that be why there is an off season and it lasts for the majority of the year?? ::)
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Could that be why there is an off season and it lasts for the majority of the year?? ::)
haha, why don't you post a pic of yourself at 3% body fat to prove us all wrong?
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haha, why don't you post a pic of yourself at 3% body fat to prove us all wrong?
you dont think faildo is natural but you think meso is natura? i dont get it
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The human body isn't intended to be shredded.
I disagree, shredded as in very low body fat and lean musculature isn't unnatural, but drop the water over a certain extent is very unnatural.
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you dont think faildo is natural but you think meso is natura? i dont get it
2 reasons for that.
1. meso is black. - better muscle and body fat genetics than whites and asians.
2. faildo is leaner than meso.
--forgot to add, Chris is in his 40s!
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2 reasons for that.
1. meso is black. - better muscle and body fat genetics than whites and asians.
2. faildo is leaner than meso.
eh.
your call dude
realy it dont matter anyway
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Chris is also in his 40s... The drop in testosterone would definitely affect his ability to get that shredded and retain muscle.
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maybe he takes a lot of eca ???
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Chris is also in his 40s... The drop in testosterone would definitely affect his ability to get that shredded and retain muscle.
tested shows are pointless
id rather thy just do lie detectors at all of them
aint no test for short esters, orals, gh and slin
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you dont think faildo is natural but you think meso is natura? i dont get it
I don't even think they make that good a comparison per se, no offence to Meso whatsoever, Chris in an IFBB pro of course...
Conditioning for one let alone balance, individual bodyparts such as legs & others, age etc.
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damni never saw that pic of meso
that body right there forsure could definitely be natural
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I don't even think they make that good a comparison per se, no offence to Meso whatsoever, Chris in an IFBB pro of course...
Conditioning for one let alone balance, individual bodyparts such as legs & others, age etc.
CQ sets the smackdown once again! ;)
Those two aren't even in the same league! The dude on the right looks like a teenage M. Tyson, except for the abs ;D
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haha, why don't you post a pic of yourself at 3% body fat to prove us all wrong?
what does that have to do with you having no cluse as to what youre talking about? oh i see it was your attempt to change the sub. ::) i get it.
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CQ sets the smackdown once again! ;)
Those two aren't even in the same league! The dude on the right looks like a teenage M. Tyson, except for the abs ;D
And thing is that is no diss on Meso, he looks great...Chris is a pro I should hope Chris looks better. Someone will prolly say but Meso is bigger - is he though? At the height difference between the 2 of them - means Meso only has an extra 3lbs per inch, add in the diff in conditioning which would bring Meso way down in weight reducing that 3lbs per inch, Chris has got to be bigger...as an IFBB pro he should be of course lol. :D
Sorry for the hijack btw, and welcome to Getbig Chris.
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what does that have to do with you having no cluse as to what youre talking about? oh i see it was your attempt to change the sub. ::) i get it.
well why don't we talk about you being a big pussy for a little bit? then we'll get back to the topic. ;D
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well why don't we talk about you being a big pussy for a little bit? then we'll get back to the topic. ;D
weak..out of respect for Chris i'll leave this thread.
Bast, if you wanna follow me over to the sports, religous, or politics boards i'll be glad to handle you there, easily im sure in deeper waters you'd sink like a rock ;)
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Hey Chris have you decided if your going to compete in the pros yet?
Juiced or not who gives a shit, the man is absolutely shredded!! Could do some damage in the new under 200 lb weight class for sure.
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CQ sets the smackdown once again! ;)
Those two aren't even in the same league! The dude on the right looks like a teenage M. Tyson, except for the abs ;D
Funny how the dude on the right has a thread over 25 pages dedicated to him on how he's definitely on juice and no human could possibly look like that natural. LOL
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The only pic that raises the question is this one imo
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)
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Funny how the dude on the right has a thread over 25 pages dedicated to him on how he's definitely on juice and no human could possibly look like that natural. LOL
lol...whoops, didn't know that! I thought that thread was about that layne guy ;D That's the one and only "mesomorph", people can't believe he's not natural?! ::)
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The only pic that raises the question is this one imo
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)
Why?? I'm sure you'd look pretty big too if you were wearing you're little brother's t-shirt ;D
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Look out Blacks it looks like the Asians are now the genetically gifted. ::)
:D
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Why?? I'm sure you'd look pretty big too if you were wearing you're little brother's t-shirt ;D
Sadly, I ain't gonna get arms like that. I am all torso..but I better not brag too much otherwise I'll get the 'post a pic' brigade on my glutes!
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natural, hahahaha
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/joetong1_f.jpg)
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natural, hahahaha
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/joetong1_f.jpg)
"he who screams loudest is guilty"
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Forget about bodyweight or even bodyfat levels. There's a certain look that drugs give.
and yes van it is also called hardness another part of equation,u get lean and low bodyfat and look good ,but super dry and muscle hardness which is that crisp look where u look like the skin will peel of when posed or looks like it hurts when one flexes cause due to skinned look .and standing relaxed look as hard as granite .he has this look .
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Sadly, I ain't gonna get arms like that. I am all torso..but I better not brag too much otherwise I'll get the 'post a pic' brigade on my glutes!
Where's your pic, "big" guy? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Where's your pic, "big" guy? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Post up a pic or shut up ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Hey Chris have you decided if your going to compete in the pros yet?
Juiced or not who gives a shit, the man is absolutely shredded!! Could do some damage in the new under 200 lb weight class for sure.
I'm just hitting it hard everyday waiting for the right time to hit the stage once more. My bodyweight is up around 180lbs now and fairly lean. I know I've got my work cut out for me in the 202lbs. so it will take me some time. The Hurricane will stike again!
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I'm just hitting it hard everyday waiting for the right time to hit the stage once more. My bodyweight is up around 180lbs now and fairly lean. I know I've got my work cut out for me in the 202lbs. so it will take me some time. The Hurricane will stike again!
Actually, you're right...BERTHA just became a Cat 3 ;D
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I'm just hitting it hard everyday waiting for the right time to hit the stage once more. My bodyweight is up around 180lbs now and fairly lean. I know I've got my work cut out for me in the 202lbs. so it will take me some time. The Hurricane will stike again!
Looking forward to seeing you in the 202 class, you will be the next giant slayer :)will it be this year
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Post up a pic or shut up ::) ::) ::) ::)
so I take it you won't be posting a pic ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Clarence Bass is NOT a natty! He says in his books that he tried AAS on at least one occasion under a doc's supervision, maybe twice too, can't recall, long time since I read his books.
So, having tried juice we can't consider Clarence Bass a natural. Not trying to take anything away from Bass, he achieved an amazing body at his age!!
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FLEX mag took a pot-shot at CF many years ago for saying he was natty and yet failing a diuetic test?????
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Great conditioning looks a lot like tren acetate and stanozyl to me, that type of hardness and fullness is impossible to attain without the use of anabolics, you will get one but not the other, no hating , you look great,
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Clarence Bass is NOT a natty! He says in his books that he tried AAS on at least one occasion under a doc's supervision, maybe twice too, can't recall, long time since I read his books.
So, having tried juice we can't consider Clarence Bass a natural. Not trying to take anything away from Bass, he achieved an amazing body at his age!!
Who says we can't consider Bass a natural? Trying steroids on one occasion is a far cry from spending years on the stuff. Without a specific reference, your statement implies that Bass has been drug-free much longer than he has not been.
I'm not one who thinks someone has to be drug-free-for-life, to be consider a natural bodybuilder. I figured that, if you're a former steroid user, and you've been off for 5 years, you're a natural.
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Who says we can't consider Bass a natural? Trying steroids on one occasion is a far cry from spending years on the stuff. Without a specific reference, your statement implies that Bass has been drug-free much longer than he has not been.
I'm not one who thinks someone has to be drug-free-for-life, to be consider a natural bodybuilder. I figured that, if you're a former steroid user, and you've been off for 5 years, you're a natural.
I think it's safe to say that all the pics where he looks amazing were taken when he was on cycle.
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Why?? I'm sure you'd look pretty big too if you were wearing you're little brother's t-shirt ;D
Dudes wrists look about 5". :o
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Who says we can't consider Bass a natural? Trying steroids on one occasion is a far cry from spending years on the stuff. Without a specific reference, your statement implies that Bass has been drug-free much longer than he has not been.
if you've ever used a drug to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not a natural. period.
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Chris, why do you keep ignoring the question?
'What are your feelings on thyroid boosters and prohormones?'
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if you've ever used a drug to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not a natural. period.
If you've ever used a supplement, or weights to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not natural. Period.
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I think it's safe to say that all the pics where he looks amazing were taken when he was on cycle.
I beg to differ. Again, the implication is that his steroid use was brief, yet he has been training for decades. Yet, he has reached his shredded condition in his 50s and 60s, and even into his 70s. The guy can get sliced and, apparently, he doesn't need drugs to do it.
FLEX mag took a pot-shot at CF many years ago for saying he was natty and yet failing a diuetic test?????
What issue of FLEX would this be?
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If you've ever used a supplement, or weights to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not natural. Period.
If you've ever eaten at KFC, or had milk from a cow that was on hormones, then you're not natural. Period.
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Clarence Bass is NOT natural. Far from it. He may not be using anabolics/testosterone but he's been known to use things like clen/thyroid drugs, diuretcs etc. For a lot of naturals these drugs are not considered steroids because they don't elicit muscle growth. The mind of a natural body is delusional at best.
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If you've ever used a supplement, or weights to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not natural. Period.
so, we are all in agreement: there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding.
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If you've ever used a supplement, or weights to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not natural. Period.
"Supplements" are NOT drugs Bob.
Slight difference there.
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is this the greatest conditioning ever on a natural:
discuss.
WOW...Chris look fat, I hardly recognized him...
Photos are probably taken after 5 year lay-off...
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Clarence Bass is NOT natural. Far from it. He may not be using anabolics/testosterone but he's been known to use things like clen/thyroid drugs, diuretcs etc. For a lot of naturals these drugs are not considered steroids because they don't elicit muscle growth. The mind of a natural body is delusional at best.
Let me guess: Your uncle's father's cousin's brother's baby mama's best friend (twice removed) sold him drugs, back in the day.
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If you've ever used a supplement, or weights to build muscle, lose fat, or get dry, then you're not natural. Period.
So what's your opinion on Chris Faildo? Imo no natural can achieve that type of conditioning with that hardness
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So what's your opinion on Chris Faildo? Imo no natural can achieve that type of conditioning with that hardness
can. but not that big.
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can. but not that big.
Not that big. The guy (Faildo) is 165 lbs, a middle/welterweight. It ain't like he's the second coming of Yates in his prime.
Again, what exactly makes it impossible to achieve 165 lbs. ripped (at 5'3"-5'6") drug-free?
By his own admission, he's going to have to crucify himself to come anywhere near the top of the 202-lb. class
BTW, who decided on 202 lbs as the max for this class, instead of 200 lbs even, as it was during the "Pumping Iron" days?
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Not that big. The guy (Faildo) is 165 lbs, a middle/welterweight. It ain't like he's the second coming of Yates in his prime.
Again, what exactly makes it impossible to achieve 165 lbs. ripped (at 5'3"-5'6") drug-free?
By his own admission, he's going to have to crucify himself to come anywhere near the top of the 202-lb. class
BTW, who decided on 202 lbs as the max for this class, instead of 200 lbs even, as it was during the "Pumping Iron" days?
yeah well 165 is alot at his height with that conditioning. hes really thick.
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Hey Guys, you're still at it. It's been great coming back to these Haters or should I say non believers. My workouts have been insane after reading all of your FALSE opinions. Keep it coming, i really do want to hit that 202 pro show, NATURAL of course. LIFETIME BABY! Drug test me anytime.
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Hey Guys, you're still at it. It's been great coming back to these Haters or should I say non believers.
yes, you should say non-believers.
have you ever used thyroid boosters or prohormones?
Thermolife claims that you use Ecdysterone (20-Beta-Hydroxyecdysterone). how is that not a drug?
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Chick have there ever been any IFBB pros that never used ph/aas? ::)
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Hey Guys, you're still at it. It's been great coming back to these Haters or should I say non believers. My workouts have been insane after reading all of your FALSE opinions. Keep it coming, i really do want to hit that 202 pro show, NATURAL of course. LIFETIME BABY! Drug test me anytime.
You're not natural, the general public and all the naive, impressionable newbies that buy your DVD's might think so but everyone else that knows the culture of bodybuilding and fitness knows otherwise. You may not use muscle BUILDING drugs but you sure as hell use other things.
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What issue of FLEX would this be?
This is a while ago back when i bought them ;). 1996 sometime i think.
The comment was at the end of an article about the team universe competitors being natural and said, 'even Chris 'I don't need diuretics to get ripped' Faildo ay?
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I love how he ignores all the important posts and just says "Thanks haters!" Keep telling yourself you're natural as long as it helps you sleep at night.
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Not that big. The guy (Faildo) is 165 lbs, a middle/welterweight. It ain't like he's the second coming of Yates in his prime.
Again, what exactly makes it impossible to achieve 165 lbs. ripped (at 5'3"-5'6") drug-free?
By his own admission, he's going to have to crucify himself to come anywhere near the top of the 202-lb. class
BTW, who decided on 202 lbs as the max for this class, instead of 200 lbs even, as it was during the "Pumping Iron" days?
no, sly's weight in rocky III
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Hey Guys, you're still at it. It's been great coming back to these Haters or should I say non believers. My workouts have been insane after reading all of your FALSE opinions. Keep it coming, i really do want to hit that 202 pro show, NATURAL of course. LIFETIME BABY! Drug test me anytime.
it is not possible for an opinion to be false, for your information
My opinion is that you are hormonized
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To be honest, how many guys on gear do you see in that kind of condition?
That condition is mainly due to years and years of hard work to build that kind of quality into the muscle.
I'm not saying anything either way but a lot of people underestimate what is achieveable naturally over many years because hardly anyone does it, especially with relation to the quality look.
Chick is right though, taking anything for performance enhancing is what it is, saying something is 'legal' or 'not moral' is a bullshit excuse.
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To be honest, how many guys on gear do you see in that kind of condition?
That condition is mainly due to years and years of hard work to build that kind of quality into the muscle.
I'm not saying anything either way but a lot of people underestimate what is achieveable naturally over many years because hardly anyone does it, especially with relation to the quality look.
Chick is right though, taking anything for performance enhancing is what it is, saying something is 'legal' or 'not moral' is a bullshit excuse.
You are very on about this.
Just bc someone looks outstanding is no reason to assume cheating is involved.
However, I always have a problem with those who consistently make it a point to tell you that they are natural, natural, natural.
I smell background motives here, always.
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To be honest, how many guys on gear do you see in that kind of condition?
That condition is mainly due to years and years of hard work to build that kind of quality into the muscle.
I'm not saying anything either way but a lot of people underestimate what is achieveable naturally over many years because hardly anyone does it, especially with relation to the quality look.
Chick is right though, taking anything for performance enhancing is what it is, saying something is 'legal' or 'not moral' is a bullshit excuse.
WTF are you talking about? Do you think Chris Faildo is any more dedicated, any more vigorous in his training and diet than any of the great bodybuilders before him? That condition is not mainly due to years and years of hard work. That's bullshit. That condition is due to years and years of hardwork, dieting, muscle maturity yes BUT ALSO DRUGS! I mean is everybody immersed in bodybuilding and fitness so clueless? Shit look at the top guys from the 80's. Look at some of the big names from the 70's and 80's. Chris Faildo has managed to do what hundreds of dedicated PROFESSIONAL bodybuilders could only do before him with drugs WITHOUT DRUGS? You my friend and anyone who believes this guy or any other "pro" is "natural" is clueless.
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I've never seen a natural with raised vascularity like this.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222650.0;attach=260801;image)
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You are very on about this.
Just bc someone looks outstanding is no reason to assume cheating is involved.
However, I always have a problem with those who consistently make it a point to tell you that they are natural, natural, natural.
I smell background motives here, always.
Of course there's background motives. This guy's ENTIRE livelihood is based on his physical IMAGE. This is how he supports himself, supports his wife, family kids, if he has any etc. This is how he affords to buy that nice house with granite countertops and stainless steel appliances, this is how he affords to buy that nice new sports car or whatever the hell he drives. It's ALL about IMAGE! The whole fitness industry is about image. Defending it, promoting it, lying about it. If you can sucker people into believe you can attain what this guy has without drugs and by doing what he does and eating how he does...........hell we'd all be buying his "DVD's".
I mean fuck man every time you turn on the t.v. there is some politician/some ceo or some athlete caught in a lie or some scandal. Why is the sport of bodybuilding any different? It's filled with liars. It has been ever since steroids have come onto the scene.
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The way I look at it is this...Pro-hormones, even though they are sold legally, are virtually the same thing as anabolic steroids. They are modified testosterone molecules just like any other steroid. They will supress your own hormones and enable you to have supraphysiological levels of anabolic hormones. The Triacana supplement that was legal, is a thyroid hormone precursor, similar to the French version that bodybuilders in the 70's took and it will definitely enhance fat loss. Taking these substances isn't much different than taking regular gear and t-3. However, I believe Chris can honestly claim not to use anything you can't find at a health food store and he has attained amazing condition over and over, so you have to give him credit for having extreme discipline. I'm sure very people could take what he takes and look like that. My feeling is that you can take herbal test boosters, 6-0xo and stuff like that because they won't give you hormone levels beyond the upper end of the normal range. Once you take synthetic hormone that boost you beyond the normal range, then you are "Enhanced".
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Chris no one is denying you look great but you'd be better off to just admit to using even if you don't discuss how much. It's obvious you put a lot of hard work and dedication into building your physique but why lie about it?
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In all seriousness, I'm not even sure he cares about motivating "naturals" out there. In fact, by claiming to be natural, he'll probably end up causing more to use drugs when they find they can't attain that look. :-\
And you can't use the whole strict diet/hard training/consistency crap?! What...Chris is the first "natural" who has ever trained hard and consistently?! ::)
In the end it boils down to making a name for yourself, and making a buck. And when i look at it that way, I can't blame the guy. I mean, even if he were to go all out on drugs, it's not like he would do real damage on the pro stage anyways. So...good move ;)
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Chris no one is denying you look great but you'd be better off to just admit to using even if you don't discuss how much. It's obvious you put a lot of hard work and dedication into building your physique but why lie about it?
Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.
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The way I look at it is this...Pro-hormones, even though they are sold legally, are virtually the same thing as anabolic steroids. They are modified testosterone molecules just like any other steroid. They will supress your own hormones and enable you to have supraphysiological levels of anabolic hormones. The Triacana supplement that was legal, is a thyroid hormone precursor, similar to the French version that bodybuilders in the 70's took and it will definitely enhance fat loss. Taking these substances isn't much different than taking regular gear and t-3. However, I believe Chris can honestly claim not to use anything you can't find at a health food store and he has attained amazing condition over and over, so you have to give him credit for having extreme discipline. I'm sure very people could take what he takes and look like that. My feeling is that you can take herbal test boosters, 6-0xo and stuff like that because they won't give you hormone levels beyond the upper end of the normal range. Once you take synthetic hormone that boost you beyond the normal range, then you are "Enhanced".
Thiomucase?
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Andy Haman just got his Pro card a year or so ago at the same age as Chris. And guess what Andy will say when asked............"lifetime natural" yet it only took him a year and a half to achieve his physique. Chris sorry but you must have been doing something wrong all those years. LOL. Come on guys these bodybuilders have everything to lose to admit to using steroids.
http://www.thebiguniverse.com/haman/
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Chris no one is denying you look great but you'd be better off to just admit to using even if you don't discuss how much. It's obvious you put a lot of hard work and dedication into building your physique but why lie about it?
Yes.
It is disingenuous at best.
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Did he not get nailed taking furosimide (diuretic) some years ago? I seem to recall reading this....
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Thiomucase?
Actually thiomucase wasn't a thyroid drug. It came in a cream mostly and supposedly caused fat loss where you rubbed it. Triacana is a drug that coverts to T-3, a thyroid hormone metabolite. Some supplement companies were able to get around a legal loophole and sell it. Chris has been alleged to have taken it since Thermo-life provided it to him.
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Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.
Let's lie and portray ourselves as something we're not to make a living........that's morally reprehensible in my opinion. But hey that's the real world right? All of us lying, cheating, deceiving, and manipulating our way to the top. And you wonder why bodybuilding is such a seedy industry.
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Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.
And your complimentary part of the industry is even worse. The women are eve bigger liars than men and instead of being the cornerstone of health are the epitome of drug use/abuse and extremem measures to achieve their "look". Maybe if the industry and people overall were more honest and ethical steroids wouldn't have the reputation they have now.
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Let's lie and portray ourselves as something we're not to make a living........that's morally reprehensible in my opinion. But hey that's the real world right? All of us lying, cheating, deceiving, and manipulating our way to the top. And you wonder why bodybuilding is such a seedy industry.
Not condoning it, but it's pretty much a reality of most sponsorships. Those Olympic skaters who suddenly loved Crest once paid, bballers loving Gatorade, Tiger living for Nike, Mary Lou Retton winning the Gold due to Wheaties cereal. Halle Berry and all those top actresses claiming they love Revlon makeup when I doubt they touch that drugstore cheap line. List is endless....people say things to get paid.
I am just saying realistically only a few very top guys can make any cash in bodybuilding, unless they get some type of niche..which as a natty IFBB pro he would have.
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Not condoning it, but it's pretty much a reality of most sponsorships. Those Olympic skaters who suddenly loved Crest once paid, bballers loving Gatorade, Tiger living for Nike, Mary Lou Retton winning the Gold due to Wheaties cereal. Halle Berry and all those top actresses claiming they love Revlon makeup when I doubt they touch that drugstore cheap line. List is endless....people say things to get paid.
I am just saying realistically only a few very top guys can make any cash in bodybuilding, unless they get some type of niche..which as a natty IFBB pro he would have.
Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.
But I see your point.
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Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.
But I see your point.
I agree on the money point...
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WTF are you talking about? Do you think Chris Faildo is any more dedicated, any more vigorous in his training and diet than any of the great bodybuilders before him? That condition is not mainly due to years and years of hard work. That's bullshit. That condition is due to years and years of hardwork, dieting, muscle maturity yes BUT ALSO DRUGS! I mean is everybody immersed in bodybuilding and fitness so clueless? Shit look at the top guys from the 80's. Look at some of the big names from the 70's and 80's. Chris Faildo has managed to do what hundreds of dedicated PROFESSIONAL bodybuilders could only do before him with drugs WITHOUT DRUGS? You my friend and anyone who believes this guy or any other "pro" is "natural" is clueless.
You misinterpreted some parts of my post. I didn't say whether he was clean or not.
The condition IS due to years and years of hardwork as a main point. You don't get that kind of condition at 20 years old or even 30. It comes with time.
Also yes, i've trained clean for almost 5 years since juicing, my condition is much better now, better than guys in their 30's who are on gear constantly and in good condition. I do believe being clean can offer advantages in that area.
BTW i'm not naive i don't believe pro's are clean, my point is he is 165 pounds, he is not a massive guy, he has been training a long time. I don't believe he has taken much gear to get like that if any at all, and yes getting to where he is without gear if you know what you are doing is possible after 22 years. That's my opinion from someone who sticks to the lifestyle every day whether i was on gear or not for over 12 years.
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Unless he is a marketing genius(which is exactly what success stems from in business...MARKETING), his natural 'niche' in bodybuilding will likely make him mediocre money at best.
But I see your point.
does mentioning his DVD in every post constitute marketing genius? ;D
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so, we are all in agreement: there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding.
"Natural bodybuilding" is an oxymoron...like "Jumbo shrimp".
Bodybuilding in itself, is not a "natural" thing...it's artificially enhancing one's physique.
There are "drug free" bodybuilders, and "steroid free" Bodybuilders, etc...and certainly Chris may be one of them. All the power to him.
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does mentioning his DVD in every post constitute marketing genius? ;D
No.
Its worth a hill of beans.
he should try some direct response marketing, build a huge list of pre-qualified, Interested, non-bb/regular person leads, and start a direct mail campaign selling his 'system' in a kit.
he'd make millions, but bb's, in general, are to into themslves.
they don't understand "WIIFM"= 'What's In It For Me'
They tell clients all about themsleves...titles they won, howe they look, etc....
while the client wants none of that....ahhh, you know what I mean
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You misinterpreted some parts of my post. I didn't say whether he was clean or not.
The condition IS due to years and years of hardwork as a main point. You don't get that kind of condition at 20 years old or even 30. It comes with time.
Also yes, i've trained clean for almost 5 years since juicing, my condition is much better now, better than guys in their 30's who are on gear constantly and in good condition. I do believe being clean can offer advantages in that area.
BTW i'm not naive i don't believe pro's are clean, my point is he is 165 pounds, he is not a massive guy, he has been training a long time. I don't believe he has taken much gear to get like that if any at all, and yes getting to where he is without gear if you know what you are doing is possible after 22 years. That's my opinion from someone who sticks to the lifestyle every day whether i was on gear or not for over 12 years.
Like I said before...........years of training doesn't mean shit. It doesn't take decades and decades of dedicated training. It takes DRUGS. I gave two examples in this thread. One very young and one very old. i.e. Phil Heath and Andy Haman respectively. Phil Heath was a nobody college basketball player before he got huge and started bodybuilding. He fucking exploded in a matter of a couple of years. Andy Haman received his pro card at age 40 after he claims only a year and a half of serious training. I know Andy Haman uses GH for a fact. I used to live in Colorado Springs and trained at the same gym he was at and know several of his close friends.
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"Natural bodybuilding" is an oxymoron...like "Jumbo shrimp".
Bodybuilding in itself, is not a "natural" thing...it's artificially enhancing one's physique.
There are "drug free" bodybuilders, and "steroid free" Bodybuilders, etc...and certainly Chris may be one of them. All the power to him.
Right , because unless you drink milk ,straight from a cow's tit ,nobody is natural , right Chick ::)
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Right , because unless you drink milk ,straight from a cow's tit ,nobody is natural , right Chick ::)
Are you disagreeing with me? I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...
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He won't be the first "Lifetime natural " IFBB PRo
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Are you disagreeing with me? I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...
You tell me what sport or activity is natural ,riding a bicycle is not natural ,C'mon Chick ,We are talking about drug use .
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You tell me what sport or activity is natural ,riding a bicycle is not natural ,C'mon Chick ,We are talking about drug use .
You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....
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Are you disagreeing with me? I'd love to hear your take on how bodybuilding is a "natural" thing...
Watching t.v. isn't natural. Driving a car isn't natural. What does it mean to be natural as far as human beings go? What's more natural doggy style or missionary? I see your point but it's a silly one. I think we can all agree bodybuilding at one time was MUCH MORE natural than it has been for the last 40 years. It was much more about health and vitality. Now it's all about flash, and image, and making money. Portraying something you're not. Which is symoblic of much of our society in 21st century America.
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You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....
C'mon Chick , in many sports you do, You think this guy was born this way
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You're not changing an appearance of the physique by participating in an activity, or playing a sport....
Runners look like runnersa nd sprinters look like sprinters yet their activity could be considered very similar. Your statement makes no sense to me. Maybe you need to explain better. But "activity" most definitely changes physiques be it sitting on your ass in front of the couch or walking a hundred miles a day as a Masai warrior in Africa. The human body adapts to a changing environment. Why we have hair on our nuts and the ability to walk upright.
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Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick. Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing. But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.
Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep. In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer ;D
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Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick. Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing. But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.
Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep. In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer ;D
That logic works only up until a point, yes muscle is more expensive to keep, however it does provide benefits in being stronger, which in turn leads to the ability to to get more food.
You think this guy could kill a wooly mammoth?
(http://lifeinservice.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/brian-emo-02.JPG)
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Not too much to figure out here, boys.... in no other activity or sport does an athlete set out to change their physique, rather, the resulting change is from the sport itself....a sprinter doesn't train to change the shape of his physique....it changes as a result of sprinting.
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...
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Actually, this time I gotta roll with Chick. Being active is natural, that includes all the sports you guys are listing. But purposely adding muscle mass is not only not natural, but in the simplest terms of "hunter/gatherer" it actually works against you.
Muscle is metabolically active, and is "expensive" to keep. In starvation mode, a person with a lot of muscle would be at a disadvantage. The body will always try to go back to a natural weight, which is why you HAVE TO eat high protein and continue to train to keep that muscle up...if it were "naturally" up to your body, you'd look like a swimmer ;D
This is not true. Eskimos were very "fat" people because of the climate in which they lived. Eastern Europeans for the most part are naturally big and blocky people with big bones. Now contrast that with tirbal Africans who are for the most part long and lanky. Cultures across history have lived VERY different lives. Human beings were at one time all cavement but eventually through evolution the human body changed and people became much more adapted to their environment and as cultures became more sedentary this became more prominent. I'm sure the Egyptians that built the great pyramids were very strong and muscular. But yes you are right the human body if left alone will always revert back to homeostasis. And who's to say ancient civilizations didn't eat a lot more protein than we do nowadays? According to most nutritional anthropologists ancient civilizations had much higher fat and protein intakes than we do nowadays.
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This is not true. Eskimos were very "fat" people because of the climate in which they lived. Eastern Europeans for the most part are naturally big and blocky people with big bones. Now contrast that with tirbal Africans who are for the most part long and lanky. Cultures across history have lived VERY different lives. Human beings were at one time all cavement but eventually through evolution the human body changed and people became much more adapted to their environment and as cultures became more sedentary this became more prominent. I'm sure the Egyptians that built the great pyramids were very strong and muscular. But yes you are right the human body if left alone will always revert back to homeostasis. And who's to say ancient civilizations didn't eat a lot more protein than we do nowadays? According to most nutritional anthropologists ancient civilizations had much higher fat and protein intakes than we do nowadays.
Fat and muscle aren't even in the same level when comparing their metabolic demand on the body. Yes, we know fat causes insulation, which explains the Eskimos, but what would the point be of a caveman having a 21 inch arm???
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Not too much to figure out here, boys.... in no other activity or sport does an athlete set out to change their physique, rather, the resulting change is from the sport itself....a sprinter doesn't train to change the shape of his physique....it changes as a result of sprinting.
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...
Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...
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Fat and muscle aren't even in the same level when comparing their metabolic demand on the body. Yes, we know fat causes insulation, which explains the Eskimos, but what would the point be of a caveman having a 21 inch arm???
To drag some of those big booty cavewomen back to the cave?
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To drag some of those big booty cavewomen back to the cave?
Well, either that, or G4P dates further back than we had originally thought
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Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...
Unless you just happen to have a 20 in arm...training it to be 20 inches is not NATURAL...
Not sure I can dumb it down any more for you...
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Unless you just happen to have a 20 in arm...training it to be 20 inches is not NATURAL...
Not sure I can dumb it down any more for you...
Fail ,I don't know who is the dumb one here ::)
Training to : .
run 100m under 10 sec is not natural
run a marathon is not natural
to high jump 7 feet is not natural
get punch in the head(boxing)is not natural
........................ .........etc
training to have 20 inches arm is part of bodybuilding , like training to do a back flip is part of gymnastic ,both are not natural things.
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Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.
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Fail ,I don't know who is the dumb one here ::)
Training to : .
run 100m under 10 sec is not natural
run a marathon is not natural
to high jump 7 feet is not natural
get punch in the head(boxing)is not natural
........................ .........etc
training to have 20 inches arm is part of bodybuilding , like training to do a back flip is part of gymnastic ,both are not natural things.
Dumb ass :D
whateva, i thought you of all people would speak more respectfully to bob
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Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.
Thank you ,CQ ;)
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whateva, i thought you of all people would speak more respectfully to bob
I'm sorry, Moosejay .
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Like I said before...........years of training doesn't mean shit. It doesn't take decades and decades of dedicated training. It takes DRUGS. I gave two examples in this thread. One very young and one very old. i.e. Phil Heath and Andy Haman respectively. Phil Heath was a nobody college basketball player before he got huge and started bodybuilding. He fucking exploded in a matter of a couple of years. Andy Haman received his pro card at age 40 after he claims only a year and a half of serious training. I know Andy Haman uses GH for a fact. I used to live in Colorado Springs and trained at the same gym he was at and know several of his close friends.
Phil Heath is a genetic freak. There are plenty of guys who would take more drugs than him and guess what? You don't know that because they arn't genetic freaks so you never hear about them.
Fact is, the body improves year to year if you are consistent. To a point of course. Natural or not. No-one gets Faildo's conditioning in a year and a half of training no matter how many drugs they are on. I'm not saying he doesn't use, but it takes more than drugs. Jay Cutler doesn't have near that type of conditioning, is it drugs? Is it training? Do you think he's not trying to get that type of conditioning? It takes more than drugs.
If your buddy Andy claims natural status yet you know he uses GH, why do you keep quoting that he's claiming only a year and a half of serious training as if that is a fact.
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I'm sorry, Moosejay .
Guys with outstanding physiques such as you usually have better countenance and understanding. I knew you just slipped :)
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Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.
[/quoteActually, It's "whateva" thats playing semantics....
He believes anything other than breathing and eating are not "natural"...
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Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
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Actually, It's "whateva" thats playing semantics....
He believes anything other than breathing and eating are not "natural"...
He's exaggerating on your previous point just to prove how stupid it sounded. Quit trying to justify your own drug use and accept the term natural.
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He's exaggerating on your previous point just to prove how stupid it sounded. Quit trying to justify your own drug use and accept the term natural.
Try and keep up, mastermind....drugs have nothing to do with the debate...it's whether bodybuilding itself is considered natural.
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Do you know that ,some football players and some rugby players, train to change the shape of their physiques ,according at what position they will play.
Amazing this needs to be explained in detail...
I want it explained to me in detail. You think Tony Saragusa really strived to look like a pig and get winded after running 5 yards?
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LOL everyone on this forum knows what 'natural' is, and what 'lifetime natural' is LOL
don't fool yourself LOL you know what natural means dude. who the fuck are you fooling ?
chris, ignore the haters, even one vein in bicep and striated shoulders means your a big time drug user here :D you can put on a 24h surveillence cam on you and urine tests every 2 hours and guess what,
if you look good your still a druggy LOL no winning here
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Chick is just playing semantics - within the bodybuilding community and even an a wider scale - natural has it's generally accepted meaning - people who don't use gear.
ok. define gear. I think thyroid drugs qualify. So do all forms of diuretics. Even some fat burners.
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Find me one other natural that is as full and lean as Chris is.
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Find me one other natural that is as full and lean as Chris is.
chris is 5'5 thats why he looks full, i don't know what you weigh man but try puting all your lean mass
on a 5foot guy,
as for the conditioning, all i see is 5%BF which is all over natural bodybuilding stages
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like i said before, there was a 5'5 guy about 75kg at am gym a long time ago
and he looked like chris all natiral too.
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Chris also has the classic facial aging commonly seen with drug use.
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and that guy was training for like 30 years? the muscle maturity is incredible at that age
yeah, T-levels drop too but IMO, muscle maturity more than makes up for that , and the guy at my gym
wasn't even useiing 6-oxo or plant extracts- i imagine chris does at least use a T-booster , so you can see why i see chris natural...
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Chris post pictures of yourself from when you were younger and training.
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Chris also has the classic facial aging commonly seen with drug use.
man at that BF, you look like a mummy and chris is pretty old too 40s? late 30s? of course he looks old man
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man at that BF, you look like a mummy and chris is pretty old too 40s? late 30s? of course he looks old man
I realized that as as soon as I posted it which is why I'm asking him to post pics of when he was younger.
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I realized that as as soon as I posted it which is why I'm asking him to post pics of when he was younger.
Here we go again, I've got pictures from my first comp. to last years World Championships all on my DVD. I challenge anyone of you who think I'm lying about being natural to purchase one.www.cfaildo.com If you decide after viewing it that I am still loaded with drugs I will send your money back. How's that? Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that. What was that 8 years ago? I used it because I could buy it from Thermolife. No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing boys. If you guys wanna nail me to the cross for using those two things, go ahead I can sleep at night. I'm a natural bodybuilder and proud of it! By the way, my workout today was intense as ever. Thanks!
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Here we go again, I've got pictures from my first comp. to last years World Championships all on my DVD. I challenge anyone of you who think I'm lying about being natural to purchase one.www.cfaildo.com If you decide after viewing it that I am still loaded with drugs I will send your money back. How's that? Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that. What was that 8 years ago? I used it because I could buy it from Thermolife. No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing boys. If you guys wanna nail me to the cross for using those two things, go ahead I can sleep at night. I'm a natural bodybuilder and proud of it! By the way, my workout today was intense as ever. Thanks!
No one says you're "loaded" with drugs. But lifetime natural you are not. No way. Anyone that steps on stage in an NPC competition at any level has used something be it legal or illegal. Afterall this bashing and beating you're finally admitting you've used tricana and thiomucase. What if there was no record of you saying you've used it........you would probably deny those two drugs as well. You're vascularity and shreddedness rivals that of Lee Priest. And I don't know why everyone keeps talking about your weight cause it's not your weight that makes call bullshit. It's your vascularity and muscle dryness. Maybe you use OTC diuretics, glycerine or some other things who knows. But natural you are not sorry! Natural to me is only training and food (vitamins and protein powders). Maybe you use the hell out of yohimbine or ECA. Who knows. Only you do my friend.
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Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that. What was that 8 years ago? I used it because I could buy it from Thermolife. No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing boys.
Alright, at least you admit to that.
FWIW you can buy one hell of a stack OTC right now and could for the last several years.
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The natural story is more marketable. This is why these athletes are defending themselves.
Shame they think we are mentally challenged.
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and that guy was training for like 30 years? the muscle maturity is incredible at that age
yeah, T-levels drop too but IMO, muscle maturity more than makes up for that , and the guy at my gym
wasn't even useiing 6-oxo or plant extracts- i imagine chris does at least use a T-booster , so you can see why i see chris natural...
lol...that's like saying a nice carwash makes up for an empty gas tank ;D
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Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that.
so what will you lie about?
chris i have to say you have put yourself in it with this statement. I did believe you at first although i definately had doubts, but this statement and the statement that this kiyoshi moody guy also being a natural, have made me think you are now full of it, if he's natural why is there a hint of gyno here?
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Chris also has the classic facial aging commonly seen with drug use.
WHAT!!!???
The guy's dehydrated, extremely lean and, BTW, OVER 40 YEARS OLD!!!
Of course, he's going to have "classic facial aging".
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You misinterpreted some parts of my post. I didn't say whether he was clean or not.
The condition IS due to years and years of hardwork as a main point. You don't get that kind of condition at 20 years old or even 30. It comes with time.
Also yes, i've trained clean for almost 5 years since juicing, my condition is much better now, better than guys in their 30's who are on gear constantly and in good condition. I do believe being clean can offer advantages in that area.
BTW i'm not naive i don't believe pro's are clean, my point is he is 165 pounds, he is not a massive guy, he has been training a long time. I don't believe he has taken much gear to get like that if any at all, and yes getting to where he is without gear if you know what you are doing is possible after 22 years. That's my opinion from someone who sticks to the lifestyle every day whether i was on gear or not for over 12 years.
Technically, Chris Faildo is a pro. Therefore, if you believe he's natural (that is, drug-free), then you believe that some pros are clean.
But, you're right. The key is knowing what you're doing and busting your hump to get there. Some folks here just don't do either. And, rather than learning how to do so and putting their nose to the grindstone to get it done, they bleat and whine about Faildo using drugs. '
When I mentioned Bass, there was an excuse for that. I could mentioned the late "Iron Guru", Vince Gironda, who knew how to get shredded, in an era where guys were actually MARKED DOWN, for being too lean. But, I think we know what will happen if I do that.
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so what will you lie about?
chris i have to say you have put yourself in it with this statement. I did believe you at first although i definately had doubts, but this statement and the statement that this kiyoshi moody guy also being a natural, have made me think you are now full of it, if he's natural why is there a hint of gyno here?
(http://www.t-nation.com/avatar_images/9/c/9cb3f-teamu_sidechst2.jpg)
FatPanda..you are making judgements based on pictures and your own uneducated perspective, what if everything was based on those support foundations..you dont know enough to make blanket statements like that, that seems to be the common denominator on this thread.
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Dana Torres(womens fastest US swimmer at age 41) just got interviewd by ESPN's Dan Patrick on the radio today. Mr. Patrick did not congratulate her at first but simple unloaded his questions around how suspecious he was about her performance being natural. She totally denied any drug use and took proactive stance like Lance Armstrong did by saying drug test her anytime anywhere. She said that there are many non belivers and many who accuses her because of what she has done at her age. She did admit to using protein powders and BCAA's. (I guess that makes her not natural according to some of you! lol) I will be cheeering her on at the Olympics and hopefully she can bring home a gold. I know exactly what she is going through.
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Dana Torres(womens fastest US swimmer at age 41) just got interviewd by ESPN's Dan Patrick on the radio today. Mr. Patrick did not congratulate her at first but simple unloaded his questions around how suspecious he was about her performance being natural. She totally denied any drug use and took proactive stance like Lance Armstrong did by saying drug test her anytime anywhere. She said that there are many non belivers and many who accuses her because of what she has done at her age. She did admit to using protein powders and BCAA's. (I guess that makes her not natural according to some of you! lol) I will be cheeering her on at the Olympics and hopefully she can bring home a gold. I know exactly what she is going through.
Sure you do.
And drug tests are VERY reliable nowadays ::)
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Dana Torres(womens fastest US swimmer at age 41) just got interviewd by ESPN's Dan Patrick on the radio today. Mr. Patrick did not congratulate her at first but simple unloaded his questions around how suspecious he was about her performance being natural. She totally denied any drug use and took proactive stance like Lance Armstrong did by saying drug test her anytime anywhere. She said that there are many non belivers and many who accuses her because of what she has done at her age. She did admit to using protein powders and BCAA's. (I guess that makes her not natural according to some of you! lol) I will be cheeering her on at the Olympics and hopefully she can bring home a gold. I know exactly what she is going through.
i feel you, bro. only thing is this..she's on espn..you are on a bodybuilding message board. all this isn't worth what you are putting yourself thru chris. not professional
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Alright, at least you admit to that.
FWIW you can buy one hell of a stack OTC right now and could for the last several years.
Elaborate please Van...I assume youre including Pro-hormones/ECA?
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Elaborate please Van...I assume youre including Pro-hormones/ECA?
Yeah, tons of steroids sold OTC still. I don't really keep up with it but every now and then I read Patrick Arnold's posts on bb.com. He can tell you what's hot right now. :D
For fat burners you have ephedrine, yohimbine hcl (very potent drug - prescription ED med in many countries), Usnic Acid (think "DNP Lite"), some cool sympathomimetics like methylhexaneamine (I like this one personally, it's in Ergopharm AMP, probably on the WADA banned list now though after some newspaper articles), antiestrogens like 6-OXO and ATD and Formestane (prescription drug in other countries), Thyroid drug analogues like Triacana and etc etc. I mean if OTC is your definition of natural then I wouldn't really agree. Not that I think there's such a thing as natural bb anyway but using all these "supplements" is pretty heavy drug use IMO :D
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what is chris' height and weight?
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No one says you're "loaded" with drugs. But lifetime natural you are not. No way. Anyone that steps on stage in an NPC competition at any level has used something be it legal or illegal. Afterall this bashing and beating you're finally admitting you've used tricana and thiomucase. What if there was no record of you saying you've used it........you would probably deny those two drugs as well. You're vascularity and shreddedness rivals that of Lee Priest. And I don't know why everyone keeps talking about your weight cause it's not your weight that makes call bullshit. It's your vascularity and muscle dryness. Maybe you use OTC diuretics, glycerine or some other things who knows. But natural you are not sorry! Natural to me is only training and food (vitamins and protein powders). Maybe you use the hell out of yohimbine or ECA. Who knows. Only you do my friend.
Or, maybe the guy can go no carbs for ages, has a bunch of treadmills that deserve purple hearts, and logs plenty of hours in a sauna.
Now, you see why Bob Chicherillo made the statement he did, about being "natural". You and Chris Faildo just qualified your respective definitions of "natural". Faildo says "No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing". You claim that natural is just "training and food (vitamins and protein powders)".
But, to make Chick's point, there are folks that will claim that YOU, McMannus, ain't "natural" for using protein powder. It brings to mind two freshman football players I overheard talking during lunch, when I was in college. One was mixing a potion in his shaker to go along with his meal. The elixir in question: Weight gainer, Joe Weider's Sugar-Free BIG, to be exact.
When his friend joined him and saw what he was doing, his response was "I don't mess with that $&@%; that #*@Y make your nuts shrink". I nearly spit up my own chow laughing. This guy was afraid to take WEIGHT GAINER, for fear of testicular atrophy.
So, I will ask (once again) why is it mandatory that someone ABSOLUTELY MUST take drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped, at 5'3"-5'6" tall.
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Chris: Lots of respect for you. Born and raised here in Hawaii too, and a friend of mine used to train with you so he knows how strict you are with your diet, your attention to detail, super-intense workouts, etc. It's impossible to change the minds of many on this board. They haven't put in the decades of training, studying of nutrition, consistent eating habits, etc., that you have put in. Nor will they ever because they just don't have the willpower and mental toughness that you do. Just keep doing what you're doing and don't worry about what a handful of message board guys have to say because that's all they'll still be a year from now to be honest.
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So, I will ask (once again) why is it mandatory that someone ABSOLUTELY MUST take drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped, at 5'3"-5'6" tall.
Forget about the stats. Look at the pics.
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FatPanda..you are making judgements based on pictures and your own uneducated perspective, what if everything was based on those support foundations..you dont know enough to make blanket statements like that, that seems to be the common denominator on this thread.
it seems its your uneducated perspective thats at fault, this is the gossip and opinion board, so i am very much within my rights to state my uneducated opinion on anything i care to, and guess what, my uneducated opinion is just as valid as yours.
its also my opinion that you are a cvnt. :-*
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Forget about the stats. Look at the pics.
I've seen them, several times. The question remains.
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Not natural. No 40 year old man looks like this without "assistance"
Hope this helps.
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Not natural. No 40 year old man looks like this without "assistance"
Hope this helps.
You mean, no 40 year old "natural" man has better condition than 99% of professional bodybuiders. Professional bodybuilders who spend thousands of dollars on drugs to get in contest shape?
Now why would that be hard to believe ::)
;D
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You mean, no 40 year old "natural" man has better condition than 99% of professional bodybuiders. Professional bodybuilders who spend thousands of dollars on drugs to get in contest shape?
Now why would that be hard to believe ::)
;D
So if it's all drugs why don't all these professionals have Faildo's conditioning?
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So if it's all drugs why don't all these professionals have Faildo's conditioning?
2 words : burgerking+T3
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So if it's all drugs why don't all these professionals have Faildo's conditioning?
I guess a better question would be:
Why don't most IFBB pros stop taking the drugs and buy Chris' DVD?
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I guess a better question would be:
Why don't most IFBB pros stop taking the drugs and buy Chris' DVD?
;D
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Not natural. No 40 year old man looks like this without "assistance"
Hope this helps.
He thinks if he can buy it legally, it's "natural" ::)
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Or, maybe the guy can go no carbs for ages, has a bunch of treadmills that deserve purple hearts, and logs plenty of hours in a sauna.
Now, you see why Bob Chicherillo made the statement he did, about being "natural". You and Chris Faildo just qualified your respective definitions of "natural". Faildo says "No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing". You claim that natural is just "training and food (vitamins and protein powders)".
But, to make Chick's point, there are folks that will claim that YOU, McMannus, ain't "natural" for using protein powder. It brings to mind two freshman football players I overheard talking during lunch, when I was in college. One was mixing a potion in his shaker to go along with his meal. The elixir in question: Weight gainer, Joe Weider's Sugar-Free BIG, to be exact.
When his friend joined him and saw what he was doing, his response was "I don't mess with that $&@%; that #*@Y make your nuts shrink". I nearly spit up my own chow laughing. This guy was afraid to take WEIGHT GAINER, for fear of testicular atrophy.
So, I will ask (once again) why is it mandatory that someone ABSOLUTELY MUST take drugs to be 165 lbs. ripped, at 5'3"-5'6" tall.
Thank you...glad someone got that. Maybe you can point "Whateva" in the right direction......maybe not.
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I've seen them, several times. The question remains.
Most of the guys in weight classes under middleweights at the Nationals must be clean too since they're so light. Lee Labrada was like 180lbs wasn't he? Must've been natural. Frank Zane the same. Zane was really strict with his diet and "researched" the best diets, as someone here put it, so no reason to think he juiced just to end up at a skinny 180lbs. When you take anabolics you automatically end up over 200lbs.
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it seems its your uneducated perspective thats at fault, this is the gossip and opinion board, so i am very much within my rights to state my uneducated opinion on anything i care to, and guess what, my uneducated opinion is just as valid as yours.
its also my opinion that you are a ####. :-*
- never said you were not within your rights, your comprehention needs work.
- your opinion is not as valid as mine being that
a) youre using perspective to come to a conclusion about a subject youre not
familiar with, its a no win situation, setting yourself up for failure.
b) my statement and conclusion is based on your admitted "uneducated" perspective,
my argument comes full circle.
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He thinks if he can buy it legally, it's "natural" ::)
;D
He needs to just give up the act. He aint fooling nobody. ;)
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Most of the guys in weight classes under middleweights at the Nationals must be clean too since they're so light. Lee Labrada was like 180lbs wasn't he? Must've been natural. Frank Zane the same. Zane was really strict with his diet and "researched" the best diets, as someone here put it, so no reason to think he juiced just to end up at a skinny 180lbs. When you take anabolics you automatically end up over 200lbs.
Man you guys are going way to far with this. There weren't 300 pound giants at 5 10 in Zane's era. The sport has evolved in the psychological sense. In contrast to the Mr. Olympias of today such as Jay and Ronnie Faildo is to Ronnie what Bruce Lee was to Frank Zane. Out of appr. 1 billion 165 pound males on this plasnet one can't look like Faildo,...C`mon. It`s not like the guy has 20 inch arms or can bench 500. The guy has supperior genetic structure with tiny bones and joints, and has been lifting since young, hence supperior muscle maturity. Natural, why not. Now Lockett on the other hand total BULLSHITTTTT!!!!!!!!! In the process of getting shredded he probably depletes to max ( absolutely zero carbs) for extended periods of time to get super shredded and sacrafice a lot of muscle because he isn`t juicing, but still possible. As for me I have to go take a couple shots of test right now, have a show in Nov. ;D
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- your opinion is not as valid as mine
::)
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Most of the guys in weight classes under middleweights at the Nationals must be clean too since they're so light. Lee Labrada was like 180lbs wasn't he? Must've been natural. Frank Zane the same. Zane was really strict with his diet and "researched" the best diets, as someone here put it, so no reason to think he juiced just to end up at a skinny 180lbs. When you take anabolics you automatically end up over 200lbs.
chris clean or not its dead issue at this juncture,i've seen bantams and lighweights with gyno as bad as a super heavies.every bodybuilder no matter what weight to get to contest time does whatever clean or not to get into top shape.some top level lightweights hit 180 to 200 semi shape and want to hold as much possible in terms of mass and hit top class and look thick for there height and weight class,and there cycles could rival a bigger class guys to get to that look.
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Dana Torres(womens fastest US swimmer at age 41) just got interviewd by ESPN's Dan Patrick on the radio today. Mr. Patrick did not congratulate her at first but simple unloaded his questions around how suspecious he was about her performance being natural. She totally denied any drug use and took proactive stance like Lance Armstrong did by saying drug test her anytime anywhere. She said that there are many non belivers and many who accuses her because of what she has done at her age. She did admit to using protein powders and BCAA's. (I guess that makes her not natural according to some of you! lol) I will be cheeering her on at the Olympics and hopefully she can bring home a gold. I know exactly what she is going through.
Finesteride=masking agent...all the rage now
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natural ? natural like pamela silicon tits
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what the hell is on chris' dvd other than him telling you to eat oatmeal and tuna, and some boring training?
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Dana Torres(womens fastest US swimmer at age 41) just got interviewd by ESPN's Dan Patrick on the radio today. Mr. Patrick did not congratulate her at first but simple unloaded his questions around how suspecious he was about her performance being natural. She totally denied any drug use and took proactive stance like Lance Armstrong did by saying drug test her anytime anywhere. She said that there are many non belivers and many who accuses her because of what she has done at her age. She did admit to using protein powders and BCAA's. (I guess that makes her not natural according to some of you! lol) I will be cheeering her on at the Olympics and hopefully she can bring home a gold. I know exactly what she is going through.
no you don't, lol. she is an olympic athlete, you are a bodybuilder that no one knows.
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what the hell is on chris' dvd other than him telling you to eat oatmeal and tuna, and some boring training?
You need to buy it to find out.
Check it out at http://www.faildo.com/ (http://www.faildo.com/)
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You need to buy it to find out.
Check it out at http://www.faildo.com/ (http://www.faildo.com/)
Thanks for the plug man.
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Here we go again, I've got pictures from my first comp. to last years World Championships all on my DVD. I challenge anyone of you who think I'm lying about being natural to purchase one.www.cfaildo.com If you decide after viewing it that I am still loaded with drugs I will send your money back. How's that? Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that. What was that 8 years ago? I used it because I could buy it from Thermolife. No diuretics, no gh, no steriods of any kind, no nothing boys. If you guys wanna nail me to the cross for using those two things, go ahead I can sleep at night. I'm a natural bodybuilder and proud of it! By the way, my workout today was intense as ever. Thanks!
Why don't I have any challengers? It's funny how all of you haters or non believers can talk the talk but sure can't walk it! Order the damn thing and I'll show you who's natural.
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Why don't I have any challengers? It's funny how all of you haters or non believers can talk the talk but sure can't walk it! Order the damn thing and I'll show you who's natural.
Because nobody wants your dvd
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yeah, just post it on bittorrent. that way we can see without spending the money
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Why don't I have any challengers? It's funny how all of you haters or non believers can talk the talk but sure can't walk it! Order the damn thing and I'll show you who's natural.
Order it?
How is it 'unique and special"?
None of you jokers know how to market yourselves
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You mean, no 40 year old "natural" man has better condition than 99% of professional bodybuiders. Professional bodybuilders who spend thousands of dollars on drugs to get in contest shape?
Now why would that be hard to believe ::)
;D
Well, I do find it harder for 250Ibs bodybuilders to get into that condition then someone who is 165. Besides Dexter has, so did Ronnie in 98, how about Flex in 93 or Dorian, even Shawn Ray. All over 200Ibs with the same or better condition.
I don't know too much about drugs, but doesn't it have to do with the insulin usage as well. That's why many pros are huge, but lack the granite, hard conditioned look of the pros of the 80's and possibly 90's.
My point is 165 shredded is a lot easier to achieve then 250 shredded. Chris probably has better condition then a lot of them because most are on so much slin.
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Order it?
How is it 'unique and special"?
None of you jokers know how to market yourselves
its impossible to call a tiny man with good condition and few muscles unique and special
marketing lies shouldnt be that difficult ;), tells you something about how clueless he really is
no offence chris, just playing Your game
offtopic, too bad for the lack of quadsweep, u have an interesting well-developed physique
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its impossible to call a tiny man with good condition and few muscles unique and special
marketing lies shouldnt be that difficult ;), tells you something about how clueless he really is
no offence chris, just playing Your game
offtopic, too bad for the lack of quadsweep, u have an interesting well-developed physique
Yes...noone cares how HE looks and how HE eats.
They want to know "WIIFM"
What's In It For Me
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no you don't, lol. she is an olympic athlete, you are a bodybuilder that no one knows.
ouch! It might be more related if he is a top 5 Mr.O competitor....but well...
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Why don't I have any challengers? It's funny how all of you haters or non believers can talk the talk but sure can't walk it! Order the damn thing and I'll show you who's natural.
Chris, I am by no means a hater - but let's be real. Your challenge to getbiggers is to buy your DVD. Your idea of 'walking the walk' is to buy your DVD you're spamming?
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Most of the guys in weight classes under middleweights at the Nationals must be clean too since they're so light. Lee Labrada was like 180lbs wasn't he? Must've been natural. Frank Zane the same. Zane was really strict with his diet and "researched" the best diets, as someone here put it, so no reason to think he juiced just to end up at a skinny 180lbs. When you take anabolics you automatically end up over 200lbs.
First of all, that "skinny 180 lbs" got him three Mr. Universe titles (one of them at the expense of one Arnold Schwarzenegger) and three Mr. Olympia titles.
Second of all, nobody said that the guys are natural, simply because they're middleweights (or smaller). The issue is why some folks claim that someone HAS TO TAKE DRUGS to be 165 lbs. ripped.
That's something that you apparently can't answer. There are guys who take drugs to bench press over 300 lbs. Does that automatically mean that if you can bench 300, you're taking everything but the kitchen sink? NO!! (or at least, I hope not).
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Anything available over the counter is fair game. This is Chris's own definition from the positive board.
well, pharmacies have counter too, and mostly, they sell over it. ;)
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Chris, I am by no means a hater - but let's be real. Your challenge to getbiggers is to buy your DVD. Your idea of 'walking the walk' is to buy your DVD you're spamming?
Exactly what else can he do? If he passes a polygraph, then it's "he's a good liar". If he takes urinalysis, then, it's "he just came off in time to pass that".
If he gets his blood tested....."Oh Substance XYZ can't be detected in blood" and/or "he took this or that to mask his (insert super-secret undetectable drug here) use".
If he's going to go through the trouble of explaining how he does things, why should he do so for free (especially since certain critics won't believe him, anyway)?
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Chris, please send me your DVD and i will review it for all getbiggers.
Thank you very much.
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There are guys who take drugs to bench press over 300 lbs. Does that automatically mean that if you can bench 300, you're taking everything but the kitchen sink? NO!! (or at least, I hope not).
This is proably the very best arguing point I ever heard made about this "he's on drugs" and "no one can do/look like that" issue.
Good job, McWay!
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Order it?
How is it 'unique and special"?
None of you jokers know how to market yourselves
Moosejoy..what do you do for a living, old man? (besides post on a massage board night and day?)
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There is a certain look a physique can only assume with the intake of anabolic steroids. Chris Faildo has that look. Period. End of this BS.
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There is a certain look a physique can only assume with the intake of anabolic steroids. Chris Faildo has that look. Period. End of this BS.
12 PGS AND COUNTING........
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- never said you were not within your rights ::), your comprehention needs work. ::)
- your opinion is not as valid as mine ::) being that
a) youre using perspective to come to a conclusion about a subject youre not
familiar with, its a no win situation, setting yourself up for failure.
b) my statement and conclusion is based on your admitted "uneducated" perspective,
my argument comes full circle.
You clearly lack the ability to reason, or even understand what you are trying to say. You claim i am making judgements from an uneducated perspective. How can you claim to know about my education? perhaps you are making an uneducated judgement?
You claim my opinion is not as valid as yours because:
a) I am unfamiliar with the subject - again, how do you know what i am and am not familiar with, and what gives you supreme knowledge in this matter?
b) Your statement is based on my admitted 'uneducated' perspective - interesting to note that for someone who claims i have little comprehension skills you yourself lack the ability to detect sarcasm.
I will make this clear for you. I was willing to believe that Chris has not taken steroids, however i did feel he must have taken diuretics or thyroid medication to help obtain such a physique. However the more he talks, the more i think he is lying.
Oh and by the way you're syntax, spelling and grammar need a lot of work, before you should comment on other peoples education level.
####. :-*
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Second of all, nobody said that the guys are natural, simply because they're middleweights (or smaller). The issue is why some folks claim that someone HAS TO TAKE DRUGS to be 165 lbs. ripped.
You can be 165lbs ripped without drugs. I don't care about the stats on paper. Like I said I'm just looking at the pics. If you have been following bodybuilding for decades and have seen thousands of natural and unnatural physiques you get an eye for what is totally pharmaceutical free and what is not. I don't think anyone who has been immersed in the bodybuilding culture for a long time would think the physique Chris sports in those pics is totally natural - no fat burners, no hormones, no nothing, EVER. I'm confident that if you'd get someone like Bob Chick's opinion off the record he wouldn't bet on Chris being lifetime chemical free. That's why he says there's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. If some "authority" says he thinks Chris is chemical free it's either because he uses a creative interpretation of natural or he doesn't want to piss Chris off - you know, let him do his thing, no use getting in a pissing match.
FTR Chris looks fucking amazing even if he's full of drugs. Those pics by Lift are crazy. So crisp. And the conditioning looks different, better, than it did even when he was way younger. No, I don't think it's just "muscle maturity."
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Not saying he is lying, but professionally speaking he is way better of saying he is natural. Can be his 'niche'. Not dissing the guy, but at 165lbs obviously he won't be winning any shows or even picking up any big name sponsors. Being natural is in his far better interest.
yup. it's all about the $$$$$$ :D
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You can be 165lbs ripped without drugs. I don't care about the stats on paper. Like I said I'm just looking at the pics. If you have been following bodybuilding for decades and have seen thousands of natural and unnatural physiques you get an eye for what is totally pharmaceutical free and what is not. I don't think anyone who has been immersed in the bodybuilding culture for a long time would think the physique Chris sports in those pics is totally natural - no fat burners, no hormones, no nothing, EVER. I'm confident that if you'd get someone like Bob Chick's opinion off the record he wouldn't bet on Chris being lifetime chemical free. That's why he says there's no such thing as natural bodybuilding. If some "authority" says he thinks Chris is chemical free it's either because he uses a creative interpretation of natural or he doesn't want to piss Chris off - you know, let him do his thing, no use getting in a pissing match.
FTR Chris looks fucking amazing even if he's full of drugs. Those pics by Lift are crazy. So crisp. And the conditioning looks different, better, than it did even when he was way younger. No, I don't think it's just "muscle maturity."
Actually, your wrong...my point wasn't to make a statement as to whether or not Chris is natural or not...I couldn'r care less either way. My point was to explain that different people have different interpretations of what constitutes "natural"....personally, I find nothing natural about using supplements (especially TRYING to mimick "steroid like effects")...
Chris looks great, has claimed natural status for many years now...and has passed numerous tests for steroids, etc....
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Actually, your wrong...my point wasn't to make a statement as to whether or not Chris is natural or not...I couldn'r care less either way. My point was to explain that different people have different interpretations of what constitutes "natural"....personally, I find nothing natural about using supplements (especially TRYING to mimick "steroid like effects")...
Chris looks great, has claimed natural status for many years now...and has passed numerous tests for steroids, etc....
You know how easy that is to do though. He would have to be some kind of freak of nature to look like that at 40 naturally. He must be the most genetically gifted bodybuilder in history to be natural looking as he does. ::) ::)
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Actually, your wrong...my point wasn't to make a statement as to whether or not Chris is natural or not...I couldn'r care less either way. My point was to explain that different people have different interpretations of what constitutes "natural"....personally, I find nothing natural about using supplements (especially TRYING to mimick "steroid like effects")...
Chris looks great, has claimed natural status for many years now...and has passed numerous tests for steroids, etc....
Am I wrong though? If you were betting you would bet on him never having touched any hormones? Come on now.
;) :D
Actually don't answer. I don't think you can say what you really think on the record. Confidentially to a trusted friend the answer would probably be a bit different.
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Actually, your wrong...my point wasn't to make a statement as to whether or not Chris is natural or not...I couldn'r care less either way. My point was to explain that different people have different interpretations of what constitutes "natural"....personally, I find nothing natural about using supplements (especially TRYING to mimick "steroid like effects")...
Chris looks great, has claimed natural status for many years now...and has passed numerous tests for steroids, etc....
And I'm sure these test results are on his "DVD" that he keeps touting??????? I wonder what his testosterone levels are. Are they supraphysiological? Or are they in the normal range???????? Is that test result on his DVD? And you personally know he's passed "numerous" tests for steroids? LOL.
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Maybe Chris can send us all a copy of the DVD and if we like it then we will send him the money. That sounds better than his deal.
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I'm going to repeat this once again, because I think it's valid. I believe that Chris has only taken "legally available" supplements , that you could obtain at many health food stores. Anyone who has done a hormonal profile knows there is a range of what's considered normal. Some people are on the low end, some are in the middle and some are on the high end. The best herbal test booster and anti-aromotase supplements will do, is put you in the high end of normal.
Pro-hormones have the capability of taking you above the normal range, which is when enhanced muscle building and hardness come in. So the question is, has he taken Pro-hormones? I, personally would think he has. Having said that, how many people out there could take these supplements and look like Chris? Very few, if any. Let's not dismiss all the discipline and hard work that he has put in.
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You need to buy it to find out.
Check it out at http://www.faildo.com/ (http://www.faildo.com/)
i don't care that much. ;)
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I'm going to repeat this once again, because I think it's valid. I believe that Chris has only taken "legally available" supplements , that you could obtain at many health food stores. Anyone who has done a hormonal profile knows there is a range of what's considered normal. Some people are on the low end, some are in the middle and some are on the high end. The best herbal test booster and anti-aromotase supplements will do, is put you in the high end of normal.
Pro-hormones have the capability of taking you above the normal range, which is when enhanced muscle building and hardness come in. So the question is, has he taken Pro-hormones? I, personally would think he has. Having said that, how many people out there could take these supplements and look like Chris? Very few, if any. Let's not dismiss all the discipline and hard work that he has put in.
Ummmm being on the high end of a testosterone level is not the same thing as being supraphysiolgical. I.e. the laboratory tests they use take into account normal human testosterone ranges. That's why it's such a broad range. Testing out in the 1000's is not natural for any human being.
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I'm going to repeat this once again, because I think it's valid. I believe that Chris has only taken "legally available" supplements , that you could obtain at many health food stores. Anyone who has done a hormonal profile knows there is a range of what's considered normal. Some people are on the low end, some are in the middle and some are on the high end. The best herbal test booster and anti-aromotase supplements will do, is put you in the high end of normal.
Pro-hormones have the capability of taking you above the normal range, which is when enhanced muscle building and hardness come in. So the question is, has he taken Pro-hormones? I, personally would think he has. Having said that, how many people out there could take these supplements and look like Chris? Very few, if any. Let's not dismiss all the discipline and hard work that he has put in.
Sorry but pro hormones do not give you that type of vascularity and dryness.
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Faildo does have a motive to lie, to sell photos and dvds from his poorly designed website. Maybe if he actually sold some he would have a better one.
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Sorry but pro hormones do not give you that type of vascularity and dryness.
Well, I've heard of some that convert to pure trenbolone. In fact Gaspari made one a few years back called Methyl-dienolone.(Methy-trenbolone precursor) If you took enough, why couldn't you get that look?
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Well, I've heard of some that convert to pure trenbolone. In fact Gaspari made one a few years back called Methyl-dienolone.(Methy-trenbolone precursor) If you took enough, why couldn't you get that look?
And you've never used them yourself so how do know? We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry. If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them? Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones? I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids.
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And you've never used them yourself so how do know? We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry. If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them? Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones? I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids.
I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.
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I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.
True and either way he's a liar. Lying about pro hormones is the same as denying steroid use. ProHormones doesnt make you natural.
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True and either way he's a liar. Lying about pro hormones is the same as denying steroid use. ProHormones doesnt make you natural.
And, in some people's eyes, neither does your use of protein powder make you natural. I hope you didn't consume any Weider Sugar-Free BIG or Dynamic Weight Gainer (Signature Line), when you first started training. ;D
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"prohormones". LOL.
the only real prohormone you can buy is at your grocery store and its called dietary fat.
:D
what you find in supplement shops being called "prohormones" are designer steroids that havent been made illegal yet.
and no, they are not weak steroids either.
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I think you're missing the point. I'm not debating whether pro-hormones work as well as juice, what I'm saying is that one way he can pass a polygraph test and deny he uses steroids would be to use pro-hormones instead.
The so called pro-hormones are nothing but non-scheduled anabolic steroids. Pro-hormone is a term invented by the supplement industry (and the term "pro-steroid" was even more ridiculous). There are several hormones sold by supplement companies every bit as powerful as the illegal oral anabolic steroids. The M1T was more powerful than Anadrol according to many. After they were banned these compounds found their way into anabolic steroid dealer lists alongside Winstrol, Anavar, Dbol, etc. Most of them aren't even legal strictly speaking. The supplement companies are taking a risk selling them. Had Patrick Arnold wanted to push the limits of legality he could have sold the Norbolethone and THG as "pro-hormones" since they weren't on the scheduled list. But since he helped dope tested athletes with them he went to jail.
A couple of years ago you could buy transdermal 4-AD. That product increased testosterone way higher than any transdermal testosterone gel used for HRT. Add to that a methylated oral like M1T or Superdrol and you have a nice cycle.
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"prohormones". LOL.
the only real prohormone you can buy is at your grocery store and its called dietary fat.
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That's not true. DHEA is considered a prohormone (in fact, it was DHEA hitting the market that opened the door for androstendione, androstenediol, and its "nor" counterparts).
You can buy that at the grocery store dirt-cheap. Wal-Mart sells it for $7; I've seen other stores offer it for as low as $5 and change.
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That's not true. DHEA is considered a prohormone (in fact, it was DHEA hitting the market that opened the door for androstendione, androstenediol, and its "nor" counterparts).
You can buy that at the grocery store dirt-cheap. Wal-Mart sells it for $7; I've seen other stores offer it for as low as $5 and change.
true, but this is irrelevant to to the discussion at hand tho
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true, but this is irrelevant to to the discussion at hand tho
I've actually tried DHEA. I used (Super) Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000, throughout college. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.
I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!
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I've actually tried DHEA. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.
I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!
yes, you had a minor bump in estrogen levels as a result of your prohormone useage. did all that excess gh(igf-1) get you SHREDDEDDD??? i bet.
LOL. ;D
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You clearly lack the ability to reason, or even understand what you are trying to say. You claim i am making judgements from an uneducated perspective. How can you claim to know about my education? perhaps you are making an uneducated judgement?
You claim my opinion is not as valid as yours because:
a) I am unfamiliar with the subject - again, how do you know what i am and am not familiar with, and what gives you supreme knowledge in this matter?
b) Your statement is based on my admitted 'uneducated' perspective - interesting to note that for someone who claims i have little comprehension skills you yourself lack the ability to detect sarcasm.
I will make this clear for you. I was willing to believe that Chris has not taken steroids, however i did feel he must have taken diuretics or thyroid medication to help obtain such a physique. However the more he talks, the more i think he is lying.
Oh and by the way you're syntax, spelling and grammar need a lot of work, before you should comment on other peoples education level.
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reverting to someones grammatical errors on a message board is shows desperation.
you can go a head and make judgements through pictures if that suites you, good luck with
that.
i am fully accustom to participating in sarcasm and practice it often, i believe the error was in
your delivery
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I've actually tried DHEA. I used (Super) Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000, throughout college. My very first supplement, when I first started pumping iron (or should I say, concrete) was Weider's Dynamic Weight Gainer.
I confess!! I'M NOT NATURAL!!! I'M ALL DRUGS!!!
If you competed in a sport adhering to the WADA code then yes, you would have been doping and using steroids. Chris Faildo has competed in IFBB World Champs so this product would have been out of bounds for him too, though sold OTC, since they are supposed to adhere to the WADA code.
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reverting to someones grammatical errors on a message board is shows desperation.
you can go a head and make judgements through pictures if that suites you, good luck with
that.
Pot kettle black. You claim i am uneducated, and you are making judgments he's natural from pics ::)
i am fully accustom to participating in sarcasm and practice it often, i believe the error was in
your delivery
::) I'm Sure thats true ::)
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And, in some people's eyes, neither does your use of protein powder make you natural. I hope you didn't consume any Weider Sugar-Free BIG or Dynamic Weight Gainer (Signature Line), when you first started training. ;D
Absolutely but if someone asked me if I use protein powders I'd tell them yes I do. If someone asked me I use prohormones I would tell them I do. Etc.
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And you've never used them yourself so how do know? We all "hear" a lot of things in the fitness industry. If prohormones were so effective don't you think just maybe pros would be using them? Or have they not learned the secret of Chris Faildo and prohormones? I mean Chris manages to achieve a level of development most pros achieve with steroids.
Aren't you the same guy who says some black guy who fights people who don't move is the best fighter. Forgot his name
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chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me ???
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chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me ???
Well at least you get your money back he said
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chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me ???
Superthick, I am man of my words. I will refund your money if you would let me know your full name. Email it to me and I will check with paypal for your stats. I guess you really didn't watch the interview portion of the DVD. Morals buddy. Why would I make this shit up? I've been claiming Natural since day one. Anyone else wants a refund? The challenge is still on.
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Superthick, I am man of my words. I will refund your money if you would let me know your full name. Email it to me and I will check with paypal for your stats. I guess you really didn't watch the interview portion of the DVD. Morals buddy. Why would I make this shit up? I've been claiming Natural since day one. Anyone else wants a refund? The challenge is still on.
There are a 1000 reasons why you would make this shit up, but they all come down to two things:
1) Steroids are ILLEGAL. Only someone really dumb would openly confess to use illegal drugs, especially when it is punished as hard as in the US. You don't seem stupid to me.
2) Money. Your sponsor, the magazines and whatevermake money with you being natural. If you lie, you lose a lot of money.
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There are a 1000 reasons why you would make this shit up, but they all come down to two things:
1) Steroids are ILLEGAL. Only someone really dumb would openly confess to use illegal drugs, especially when it is punished as hard as in the US. You don't seem stupid to me.
2) Money. Your sponsor, the magazines and whatever make money with you [claiming to be] natural.
It is #2 more than #1. There are lots of drugs that are legal and/or OTC that help build muscle, lose fat, or get ripped. Take any of those and you're not a natural bodybuilder.
Chris, in the last year have you taken diuretics? DNP? Ephedrine? DHEA? supplements that affect your thyroid? prohormones? insulin?
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Chris looks great. I don't get why all you guys rag on him, he has passed all his drug tests etc., and he seems to be very dedicated to his craft and his height/weight ratio does not seem ridiculously out of this world. Unless you guys can solidly "prove" he is not natural, you guys shouldn't be attacking him. Just because you guys can't achieve similar results on your own, doesn't mean that he is not natural. I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.
Meltdown.
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Chris looks great. I don't get why all you guys rag on him, he has passed all his drug tests etc., and he seems to be very dedicated to his craft and his height/weight ratio does not seem ridiculously out of this world. Unless you guys can solidly "prove" he is not natural, you guys shouldn't be attacking him. Just because you guys can't achieve similar results on your own, doesn't mean that he is not natural. I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.
Meltdown.
No, not a meltdown, you are right.
The problem is, the pros ride that line until they see they cannot give answers anymore.
Chris should just say "Fuck you if you don't believe me." and basta.
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I don't get why you guys insist on running all of these pros off these boards, I myself would like to hear what they have to say regarding training and nutrition as opposed to all these so called 25% bodyfat experts that post here.
I doubt you're going to get any advice from him. And what would you do with advice such as "eat chicken and rice and be 'dedicated'"? You think he does anything you haven't heard 1000 times already? The only reason he registered here is to promote his DVD, not to give advice.
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I doubt you're going to get any advice from him. And what would you do with advice such as "eat chicken and rice and be 'dedicated'"? You think he does anything you haven't heard 1000 times already? The only reason he registered here is to promote his DVD, not to give advice.
That, in fact is the boring side of natural BB. There are no secrets. ;D
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Chris looks great. I don't get why all you guys rag on him, he has passed all his drug tests etc., and he seems to be very dedicated to his craft and his height/weight ratio does not seem ridiculously out of this world.
it is not his size per say that makes us question his supplement usage. It is his shredded condition. His muscle mass may be obtainable without performance enhancing drugs, but to hold onto that size while losing all one's bodyfat and getting so dry is what we find unlikely, especially since he seems to do it over and over again.
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If you competed in a sport adhering to the WADA code then yes, you would have been doping and using steroids. Chris Faildo has competed in IFBB World Champs so this product would have been out of bounds for him too, though sold OTC, since they are supposed to adhere to the WADA code.
The WNBF also bans DHEA, too. Actually, if you have more than a 6-to-1 Testosterone-to-Epitestosterone profile, you get suspended, REGARDLESS of the compound, responsible for that reading.
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gayer than idiots thinking that anything less than 1g of Deca/week is NOT natural ::)
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chris i have your dvd and have watched it a few times, i still cant see why that proves that your are 100% natural, i dont believe ya...
please let me know cause u look like a juicer to me ???
Hey Superthick, i still have not received your email. What's up bro? Talk is cheap. And for all you other haters- DVD's selling off the hook. Thanks! I'm still doing it natural by the way.
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Hey Superthick, i still have not received your email. What's up bro? Talk is cheap. And for all you other haters- DVD's selling off the hook. Thanks! I'm still doing it natural by the way.
There's a sucker born every mintue bro!
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it is not his size per say that makes us question his supplement usage. It is his shredded condition. His muscle mass may be obtainable without performance enhancing drugs, but to hold onto that size while losing all one's bodyfat and getting so dry that we find unlikely.
I've not weighed in on this 'debate,' but the above says what I would have posted. Nicely put.
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There's a sucker born every mintue bro!
If there is no back end, which I doubt because these bozos are not business men, I don't care if they are selling off the rack, there will be little profit.
So, as we ask all 'pros'...:"where are you going with all of this?"
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Hey Superthick, i still have not received your email. What's up bro? Talk is cheap. And for all you other haters- DVD's selling off the hook. Thanks! I'm still doing it natural by the way.
i dont want a refund i just wanted to let you know that i did not believe it when you said you were 100% life time natural, you DVD isn't that bad,
not bagging but i thought you would be stronger ???
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Damn, beat dead horses much? About "pro hormones", a better name would be designer steroids. Steroids that have slipped past the FDA, don't meet DSHEA but slip past the system because of bigger fish to fry. Lots of these steroids are far more potent than conventional steroids. Run some test for a couple months and see how much you gain. Now run Superdrol along with that test and watch yourself blow up like nitro.
Whether Chris has used any designer steroids or REAL pro hormones like andro, 1-test or even m1t when being sold under the guise of "pro hormones"... it doesn't fucking matter. At this point, he can't go back on his words even if he wanted to. He's vehemently denied them and even if he's juicing and drugging on more shit than you've ever seen, he will not and can not admit to it. Plain and simple. Trying to egg him on is useless. He's a good guy so who cares? If he passes all his drug testing then no biggy, everyone else is juicing or has juiced too. Pro bodybuilding is a fucking mess, and Chris's potential drug use is at the bottom of the barrel. What's with this faggotry like Kai Green fucking fruits and Cromagnons like Kovacs wiping his ass with a beach towel.
Using drugs or not, I hope to attain anywhere near to his level of conditioning. Keep it up, Chris.
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ill start with this nonesense since you keep bothering me about it,,this little asian fella would nt be even 130 lb with out the use of hormones,,he is very short and very very small fella,,
the drugs used by him are mainly trenbolone as in fina aka swolecat favorite drug of choice and a drug that its use is noticable on the face and on the old look it gives you ,,old dry look if you know what youre doing,,,it ages you and make your muscle more marture looking,,so this is first and formost the main drug fidelo is using,,
now.,,you kids are imbeciles to even answer him for he is here only to promote dvd sells and lie to your face or to yoru screen same things those days
other favortie drugs of this lifter are: duretics THIS IS BODY WHO IS VERY FEMILIAR WITH DURETIC USE..HIS WHOLE LOOK EVOLVE AROUND DURETICS AND THE RIGHT APPLICATION OF THEM,,another drugs he used are orals from halo to the eastern europian turinabols who been used in great sucess all along 50-70 for strength,,this fella also use in most likihood suspensions and if trying to avoiud it a test suspsnsion tablets or dissolved under the tounge and ofcourse other products thsat can never be detected and its too long to go in detail about them from tyroid specific meds to exotics products that are very much over the counter around the world,,
this fella knows his game and he plays it right but still a liar of the first degree and shame to bodybuilding because you expect such an hormone user and realted product user to atleast do the minimal thing and shut his 130lb asian mouth espeially when writing on getbig where every one knows what the deal is
this fella would never ever step on the scale and see 140lb when off hormones for a few years,,5'3 125-130 natural weight,,,clean weight 135-150lb ,,hormonized weight 150-170lb ,,condition achieved is ONLY DUE TO THE USE OF THE RIGHT HORMONES AND BY PRODUCTS WITH THE KOWING OF THE BODY AS IN THE RIGHT DIET,,generally speaking this guy can be on any hormones he wants and will never hit the 190lb ,,he just cant growunlike the hide fella who can grow but also never into the 220 lb,,asian fellas are small and wil always be small wether on hormones or off hormones
gh15 approved
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Its not July 13 yet
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ill start with this nonesense since you keep bothering me about it,,this little asian fella would nt be even 130 lb with out the use of hormones,,he is very short and very very small fella,,
the drugs used by him are mainly trenbolone as in fina aka swolecat favorite drug of choice and a drug that its use is noticable on the face and on the old look it gives you ,,old dry look if you know what youre doing,,,it ages you and make your muscle more marture looking,,so this is first and formost the main drug fidelo is using,,
now.,,you kids are imbeciles to even answer him for he is here only to promote dvd sells and lie to your face or to yoru screen same things those days
other favortie drugs of this lifter are: duretics THIS IS BODY WHO IS VERY FEMILIAR WITH DURETIC USE..HIS WHOLE LOOK EVOLVE AROUND DURETICS AND THE RIGHT APPLICATION OF THEM,,another drugs he used are orals from halo to the eastern europian turinabols who been used in great sucess all along 50-70 for strength,,this fella also use in most likihood suspensions and if trying to avoiud it a test suspsnsion tablets or dissolved under the tounge and ofcourse other products thsat can never be detected and its too long to go in detail about them from tyroid specific meds to exotics products that are very much over the counter around the world,,
this fella knows his game and he plays it right but still a liar of the first degree and shame to bodybuilding because you expect such an hormone user and realted product user to atleast do the minimal thing and shut his 130lb asian mouth espeially when writing on getbig where every one knows what the deal is
this fella would never ever step on the scale and see 140lb when off hormones for a few years,,5'3 125-130 natural weight,,,clean weight 135-150lb ,,hormonized weight 150-170lb ,,condition achieved is ONLY DUE TO THE USE OF THE RIGHT HORMONES AND BY PRODUCTS WITH THE KOWING OF THE BODY AS IN THE RIGHT DIET,,generally speaking this guy can be on any hormones he wants and will never hit the 190lb ,,he just cant growunlike the hide fella who can grow but also never into the 220 lb,,asian fellas are small and wil always be small wether on hormones or off hormones
gh15 approved
he has returned!!!!! ;D
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Its not July 13 yet
in america is not!
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in america is not!
Great............the butcherer of the English language is back. ::)
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in america is not!
you can just admit that you love this place and couldn't stand to wait another day 8)
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in america is not!
Please tell me you are not now claiming to be in Oceania ::)
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Please tell me you are not now claiming to be in Oceania ::)
Maybe he is enjoying Sunday in Australia?
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Please tell me you are not now claiming to be in Oceania ::)
So gh15 is Vince Basile?
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ill start with this nonesense since you keep bothering me about it,,this little asian fella would nt be even 130 lb with out the use of hormones,,he is very short and very very small fella,,
the drugs used by him are mainly trenbolone as in fina aka swolecat favorite drug of choice and a drug that its use is noticable on the face and on the old look it gives you ,,old dry look if you know what youre doing,,,it ages you and make your muscle more marture looking,,so this is first and formost the main drug fidelo is using,,
now.,,you kids are imbeciles to even answer him for he is here only to promote dvd sells and lie to your face or to yoru screen same things those days
other favortie drugs of this lifter are: duretics THIS IS BODY WHO IS VERY FEMILIAR WITH DURETIC USE..HIS WHOLE LOOK EVOLVE AROUND DURETICS AND THE RIGHT APPLICATION OF THEM,,another drugs he used are orals from halo to the eastern europian turinabols who been used in great sucess all along 50-70 for strength,,this fella also use in most likihood suspensions and if trying to avoiud it a test suspsnsion tablets or dissolved under the tounge and ofcourse other products thsat can never be detected and its too long to go in detail about them from tyroid specific meds to exotics products that are very much over the counter around the world,,
this fella knows his game and he plays it right but still a liar of the first degree and shame to bodybuilding because you expect such an hormone user and realted product user to atleast do the minimal thing and shut his 130lb asian mouth espeially when writing on getbig where every one knows what the deal is
this fella would never ever step on the scale and see 140lb when off hormones for a few years,,5'3 125-130 natural weight,,,clean weight 135-150lb ,,hormonized weight 150-170lb ,,condition achieved is ONLY DUE TO THE USE OF THE RIGHT HORMONES AND BY PRODUCTS WITH THE KOWING OF THE BODY AS IN THE RIGHT DIET,,generally speaking this guy can be on any hormones he wants and will never hit the 190lb ,,he just cant growunlike the hide fella who can grow but also never into the 220 lb,,asian fellas are small and wil always be small wether on hormones or off hormones
gh15 approved
x3 ;)
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gh15. Well said!!! I've had my issues with you in the past, but I feel you are right on target, here, especially with the diuretics. F*ck this hypocrite :)
/if, and when, you get your team together to storm area 51, please pm me. it would be a privilege to be a part of your raiding party
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/if, and when, you get your team together to storm area 51, please pm me. it would be a privilege to be a part of your raiding party
Yes inform me early so I have time to strap on my tinfoil hat.
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natural yes we believe ;D
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There are a 1000 reasons why you would make this shit up, but they all come down to two things:
1) Steroids are ILLEGAL. Only someone really dumb would openly confess to use illegal drugs, especially when it is punished as hard as in the US. You don't seem stupid to me.
2) Money. Your sponsor, the magazines and whatevermake money with you being natural. If you lie, you lose a lot of money.
Chris has claimed to be natural for decades. If anyone had the goods on him, they would have exposed it long before now. Don't you think Faildo's employers would cover their bases, knowing that their reputation is on the line?
Then, there's the matter of Faildo's former employers. After all, in the 90s, "The Hawaiian Hurricane" had contracts with MET-Rx and Twinlab, the latter being when he was apart of the "All-Natural Muscular Development" crew. Since Steve Blechman and MD can't get enough of 'roids and controversy these days, why is it that we have seen no massive expose' of all the things that Faildo supposedly took back in the day from Blechman, Romano, or any of the MD crew that worked with him a decade ago?
Besides a butt-load of speculation, and a ton of gibberish from certain posters with identity crises (and a dire need to hit remedial grammar and English), no one here has been able to demonstrate why it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for someone to use drugs to end up 165 lbs. ripped (at 5'3-5'6" tall).
ill start with this nonesense since you keep bothering me about it,,this little asian fella would nt be even 130 lb with out the use of hormones,,he is very short and very very small fella,,
the drugs used by him are mainly trenbolone as in fina aka swolecat favorite drug of choice and a drug that its use is noticable on the face and on the old look it gives you ,,old dry look if you know what youre doing,,,it ages you and make your muscle more marture looking,,so this is first and formost the main drug fidelo is using,,
Of course, that old mature look could have something to do with the fact that Faildo is in his MID-40s and has been training for over 20 years. But, that would make too much sense.
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Chris looks great hands down. I hate all these people who cry "steroids" when they see a phenomenal physique. Chris has been training hardcore for a long time, and he definitely seems very dedicated to his craft. Give the man his props. If you have proof that hes used roids, well thats something else. But don't bash him because of your unproven speculations. He is a great role model for natural trainers, and I hope one day I can have a physique half as good as his.
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Chris looks great hands down. I hate all these people who cry "steroids" when they see a phenomenal physique. Chris has been training hardcore for a long time, and he definitely seems very dedicated to his craft. Give the man his props. If you have proof that hes used roids, well thats something else. But don't bash him because of your unproven speculations. He is a great role model for natural trainers, and I hope one day I can have a physique half as good as his.
As I said before, Faildo could subject himself to every testing protocol possible (blood test, urinalysis, polygraph, etc.) and some folks would dredge up a bunch of excuse and theories as to what secret drugs he's taking.
Of course, when I've reminded people that a certain "Steroid Guru" Dan Duchaine looked like garbage, when he tried to compete, then the excuse becomes, "Oh, he had bad genetics". Upon further inspection, it appears that this guru had an atrocious diet and didn't exactly set the gym on fire, when he trained.
But, that is another story.
One other old-school bodybuilder I forgot to mention was the "Iron Guru" Vince Gironda. Now, he could get SLICED for a show. And, he didn't need a pharmacy to do it.
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Chris looks great hands down. I hate all these people who cry "steroids" when they see a phenomenal physique. Chris has been training hardcore for a long time, and he definitely seems very dedicated to his craft. Give the man his props. If you have proof that hes used roids, well thats something else. But don't bash him because of your unproven speculations. He is a great role model for natural trainers, and I hope one day I can have a physique half as good as his.
once again, there are other performance enhancing drugs besides steroids that one can take that disqualifies you from calling yourself natural.
One can be muscular. One can have very low bodyfat. One can be striated. One can be hard. One can be dry. But is pretty much impossible to be all of those things at the same time without chemical assistance.
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Dan Duchaine looked like garbage, when he tried to compete
when did he try to compete?
Vince Gironda. Now, he could get SLICED for a show. And, he didn't need a pharmacy to do it.
you have no evidence of that
Of course, that old mature look could have something to do with the fact that Faildo is in his MID-40s and has been training for over 20 years.
In the pre steroid era, 30 was considered old, and 35 was ancient. It is much harder for someone in their 40s to build and retain muscle than it is for someone in their 20s.
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Of course, that old mature look could have something to do with the fact that Faildo is in his MID-40s and has been training for over 20 years. But, that would make too much sense.
Don't shoot yourself in the foot by trying to go the logical route :-\
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when did he try to compete?
There's an interview he did for MuscleMag in the late 90s, that had pics of him in a contest. I don't know the # of the issue off the top of my head. I'd have to either surf the search engines or dig into my old MuscleMag collection to find it.
Edit - According to MuscleNet.com, Duchaine competed in the late 70's, while in college:
Well, I have no formal training in either. I have a college degree in theater arts. For a short time after college, I competed as a bodybuilder around the New England area. From about 1977 to 1981. After that, I decided that I had been a miserable bodybuilder, even though I had done all the right things-going to all the steroid doctors in L.A., finding European steroids. I used my fair share of steroids, but I still wasn't very good. Obviously something wasn't working, and the doctors and the pharmacists couldn't really answer my questions. So I started looking into steroids on my own. I happen to be a pretty bright person, probably "near genius" on anything I've pursued. Then the laws changed about 1990 and steroids weren't as accessible.
If I find the pics, like those in that article from MuscleMag, I will post them.
you have no evidence of that
So, what drugs did Gironda allegedly take to get ready for contests?
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So, what drugs did Gironda allegedly take to get ready for contests?
compare this pic of Vince from 1951 to one from 1957
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/mp/mp1106.jpg)
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/rpj/rpj5712.jpg)
anything become widely available in between? And no one saw it as cheating. It was just another supplement.
Then this from the 1960s
(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/GirondaVince_1.jpg)
Yes, Vince ranted against steroids...in the 70s.
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compare this pic of Vince from 1951 to one from 1957
anything become widely available in between? And no one saw it as cheating. It was just another supplement.
Then this from the 1960s
Yes, Vince ranted against steroids...in the 70s.
Gironda also competed in an era where people actually got marked down for being too muscular (as strange as that sounds today).
(http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/vince/images/vince_gironda.jpg)
Vince Gironda - circa 1950 (From "elitefitness.com")
Vince himself achieved an amazing level of muscularity and definition long before being shredded was in vogue. It's speculated that the reason Vince never won a major physique title was because he was too ripped for his day and age! - Tom Venuto, "Eight Sets of Eight- Vince Gironda's Radical Muscle Building Solution", IronMan Magazine August 2002
Judges in those days shared the view of the bodybuilders that a muscular, balanced physique - not fat but not highly-defined either - was the height of bodybuilding excellence. They didn’t judge definition, because there wasn’t much. Occasionally a bodybuilder like Vince Gironda would come along, with a super-defined, ripped physique, but he was way ahead of his time in this regard. It wouldn’t be until years afterward that the judges would see a lot of defined physiques and therefore come to accept that look as an established standard of bodybuilding excellence. But although Gironda didn’t always impress the judges, he certain did teach other bodybuilders that achieving such an extreme level of muscularity was possible. - Bill Dobbins, "The Evolution of Bodybuilding Judging".
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compare this pic of Vince from 1951 to one from 1957
Yes Gironda was another liar.
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Yes Gironda was another liar.
OK, so what were all these super-secret drugs that he was taking to get ripped in the 1950s?
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Timfogarty,
Here's a pic I found of Duchaine, competing in a contest. It's the same pic I remember seeing in that MuscleMag article from years ago.
(http://free.prohosting.com/~neogym/leydan3.jpg)
His physique is alright. But, it's "garbage", relatively speaking, when you consider the volume of anabolics he says he was using, going to "all the right doctors" and all.
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Oh, so now Gironda is supposed to be a juicer?...this site has the most pathetic people on it I've ever seen.
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(http://www.eugensandow.com/photos/ES001.jpg)
the only fucking true natural bodybuilder.
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OK, so what were all these super-secret drugs that he was taking to get ripped in the 1950s?
there is no secret to getting ripped: reduce your bodyfat with a low caloric diet.
losing body fat while not losing muscle mass takes something like this
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Metandienone.svg/220px-Metandienone.svg.png)
which was available in the US in the 1950s
This was available in the US as early as 1938
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Testosterone_structure.png/250px-Testosterone_structure.png)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Sandow,_Eugene_-_1889_by_Henry_Van_der_Weyde_(1838-1924).jpg)
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Oh, so now Gironda is supposed to be a juicer?...this site has the most pathetic people on it I've ever seen.
I'm still waiting for this laundry list of drugs that both Gironda and Faildo supposedly used to get shredded.
Some people use the "all drugs" mantra as an excuse for their gleaning pitiful results. Then again, Duchaine was "all drugs", too.
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(http://www.eugensandow.com/photos/ES001.jpg)
the only fucking true natural bodybuilder.
If you think you can't look better than that without drugs, perhaps, you should take up badminton.
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Oh, so now Gironda is supposed to be a juicer?...this site has the most pathetic people on it I've ever seen.
why wouldn't anyone on the cutting edge of bodybuilding in the 1950s not try testosterone esters or dianabol? there was no stigma attached to it. even 5 mg a day of dianabol for a few weeks will make you harder. does that make you a juicer?
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
Why'd you break your trophy on stage? Was it in protest of something?
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
yu oare as natural as my good friend ade,,you are one liar skinny dwarf,,you sit here lie and try to sell something you cant because you are no where in the zone of putting a mark in the bodybuilding industry,,you are a 130 pounds small asian fella ...hormones got you up to 170 and you cant grow no more why? because you were meant to be small ,,so you did what alex a did but YOU LIED ABOUT IT ,,you sit there and lie and lie and then lie some more about using trenbolone and many other related products,,,you wouldnt be able to pull 145lb at 10% naturally what are you talking about friend? god yu osure give asians a very very bad light you put yoru all race in a bad light,,,atleast dim shut his mouth but you talk talk talk like the little cindarella that you are
take your 15 inch hormonized arms and go rent a movie so you have siomething to do
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oh and only one in this pictures you put here that is natural is sandow,,vince was hormonized and couldnt packl on size thats why go for the ripped look...you can tell the diff between vine when hes natural in the upper pic and you can tell it when he is hormonized in the others
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it!
there are plenty of performance enhancing drugs that you can buy at your local drug store that would make you not a natural bodybuilder. I asked you before but you chose not to answer: In the last year, have you taken any over the counter diuretics, ephedra, dnp, insulin, drugs that affect your thyroid, etc.
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oh and only one in this pictures you put here that is natural is sandow,,vince was hormonized and couldnt packl on size thats why go for the ripped look...you can tell the diff between vine when hes natural in the upper pic and you can tell it when he is hormonized in the others
Again, what were these alleged hormones that Gironda took, notwithstanding the minor fact that showing up super-ripped got you marked down in bodybuilding competitions back in the day?
And, Mr. Faildo's question is valid (actually, it's similar to mine about him). Why aren't all his former employers exposing all the drugs he allegedly took, especially Blechman?
Let's hear it. Whose uncle's cousin's sister's baby mama's best friend sold him (Faildo) drugs?
He's called you to task. So have I. It's put up or shut up. And spare us the excuses that you normally dredge up, when asked to back your cracked claims.
I'll take the word of an actual IFBB pro (Faildo), instead of someone with a major identity crisis with delusions of grandeur, like you, GH.
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yu oare as natural as my good friend ade,,you are one liar skinny dwarf,,you sit here lie and try to sell something you cant because you are no where in the zone of putting a mark in the bodybuilding industry,,you are a 130 pounds small asian fella ...hormones got you up to 170 and you cant grow no more why? because you were meant to be small ,,so you did what alex a did but YOU LIED ABOUT IT ,,you sit there and lie and lie and then lie some more about using trenbolone and many other related products,,,you wouldnt be able to pull 145lb at 10% naturally what are you talking about friend? god yu osure give asians a very very bad light you put yoru all race in a bad light,,,atleast dim shut his mouth but you talk talk talk like the little cindarella that you are
take your 15 inch hormonized arms and go rent a movie so you have siomething to do
At least he has the balls to not hide behind a screen name limp dick. youre more female than you realize
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
Dude, not hating or anything. You have a great physique, but lets cut the bullshit. Your far from "natural".. There is no human being on this earth that can achieve the hardness, and dryness that are posted on this thread without some form of thyroid, fat burning drug or diuretic.... Even if you had superb genetics and a metabolizm of a hummingbird, YOU AINT NATURAL........
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
Good job Chris! Let the anonymous haters hate.
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yu oare as natural as my good friend ade,,you are one liar skinny dwarf,,you sit here lie and try to sell something you cant because you are no where in the zone of putting a mark in the bodybuilding industry,,you are a 130 pounds small asian fella ...hormones got you up to 170 and you cant grow no more why? because you were meant to be small ,,so you did what alex a did but YOU LIED ABOUT IT ,,you sit there and lie and lie and then lie some more about using trenbolone and many other related products,,,you wouldnt be able to pull 145lb at 10% naturally what are you talking about friend? god yu osure give asians a very very bad light you put yoru all race in a bad light,,,atleast dim shut his mouth but you talk talk talk like the little cindarella that you are
take your 15 inch hormonized arms and go rent a movie so you have siomething to do
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!
How's Ade Ray (spelling?) doing anyways
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THATS NOT EMO.......
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there are plenty of performance enhancing drugs that you can buy at your local drug store that would make you not a natural bodybuilder. I asked you before but you chose not to answer: In the last year, have you taken any over the counter diuretics, ephedra, dnp, insulin, drugs that affect your thyroid, etc.
Yes, I use shit load of asparagus for my diuretics. And yes, I do by it at the store. Guess I'm not natural after all!
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Yes, I use shit load of asparagus for my diuretics. And yes, I do by it at the store. Guess I'm not natural after all!
Funny you mention asparagus cause I eat it three times a day. You cannot achieve your type of dryness from the diuretic effects of a vegetable. However, if you combine it with tiger penis than I would believe you. ::)
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Funny you mention asparagus cause I eat it three times a day. You cannot achieve your type of dryness from the diuretic effects of a vegetable. However, if you combine it with tiger penis than I would believe you. ::)
hey man, just wondering , do you eat that to lose water too?
maybe i should try aspargus for veggies instead of broccolii ,never knew it made you lose water
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hey man, just wondering , do you eat that to lose water too?
maybe i should try aspargus for veggies instead of broccolii ,never knew it made you lose water
I eat it because its high in gluthathione (anticarcinogenic/antioxidant) and high in B9. Interesting thing is it will make your urine smell a foul odor but only 40% of the population has the gene that enables one to detect it. It has diuretic effects but its also high in purines. Broccoli is a very good bodybuilding vegetable as well though.
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I eat it because its high in gluthathione (anticarcinogenic/antioxidant) and high in B9. Interesting thing is it will make your urine smell a foul odor but only 40% of the population has the gene that enables one to detect it. It has diuretic effects but its also high in purines. Broccoli is a very good bodybuilding vegetable as well though.
sounds good enough for me, i'm switching next week to asparagus, just looking at a broccli makes me puke now, sick of that shit >:(
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sounds good enough for me, i'm switching next week to asparagus, just looking at a broccli makes me puke now, sick of that shit >:(
You know I used to eat a lot of steamed vegetables or boiled in a pot. I got sick of eating them that way VERY quickly. Now I pan roast ALL my veggies in the oven. Throw some asparagus in a pan pour some olive oil over them salt and pepper to your liking and they'll taste great. Crunchy on the outside and juicy in the middle instead of that shitty mushy texture from boiling or steaming.
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You know I used to eat a lot of steamed vegetables or boiled in a pot. I got sick of eating them that way VERY quickly. Now I pan roast ALL my veggies in the oven. Throw some asparagus in a pan pour some olive oil over them salt and pepper to your liking and they'll taste great. Crunchy on the outside and juicy in the middle instead of that shitty mushy texture from boiling or steaming.
Thats what i do, add some lemon and sea salt and your good to go. i prefer to eat them cold, really refreshing.
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You know I used to eat a lot of steamed vegetables or boiled in a pot. I got sick of eating them that way VERY quickly. Now I pan roast ALL my veggies in the oven. Throw some asparagus in a pan pour some olive oil over them salt and pepper to your liking and they'll taste great. Crunchy on the outside and juicy in the middle instead of that shitty mushy texture from boiling or steaming.
the diuretic effect is gone once you add salt, i hope you realize this.
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Chris im no hater im actually a fan of your physique, but lets face it you look just like thousands of other top amateurs and pros around the world the only thing that is going to seperate you from being just another great bodybuilder, with a good physique, is to claim your physique to be drug free, people need to understand you need to stick by this marketing tool, as without it, your just another gased up guy with a great physique, i hope there are some believers out there for you, to buy your DVD. As i feel for you bro trying to sell your dvd on the shelf next to Colemans Yates Cutlers etc would be a hard sell, if we knew you were gased up like they are. All power to you maybe a future in politics awaits if you can pull it off. :)
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maybe he takes a lot of eca Trenbolone ???
;)
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yu oare as natural as my good friend ade,,you are one liar skinny dwarf,,you sit here lie and try to sell something you cant because you are no where in the zone of putting a mark in the bodybuilding industry,,you are a 130 pounds small asian fella ...hormones got you up to 170 and you cant grow no more why? because you were meant to be small ,,so you did what alex a did but YOU LIED ABOUT IT ,,you sit there and lie and lie and then lie some more about using trenbolone and many other related products,,,you wouldnt be able to pull 145lb at 10% naturally what are you talking about friend? god yu osure give asians a very very bad light you put yoru all race in a bad light,,,atleast dim shut his mouth but you talk talk talk like the little cindarella that you are
take your 15 inch hormonized arms and go rent a movie so you have siomething to do
hahahah, gh15 laying the smackdown as usual.
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
Chris, if you haven't figured it out yet GB is FILLED with jealous, fat losers who gain their self esteem by attacking others behind their computer screens.
Keep up the good work and IGNORE these asshholes!
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I thought we were done with this topic. You folks are still at it, wow! Why doesn't anybody who I bought drugs from step up to the plate and reveal all of my purchases? Come on, do it! I dare you.
That's right, there is NO one. Did you all hear that? NO ONE! I've been natural all my life and dedicated to the sport of bodybuilding. I represented the US for the World Championships, World Games, Pan Am Games and got tested everytime. I also qualified each time at the Team Universe that was also tested and polygraphed. If anyone has a tape of 93' USA shown on ESPN when I won and broke my trophy on stage post it please- just the interview part.
I am not even sure why you are entertaining this. You must be used to it, and surely you can appreciate the abnormality of a very shredded IFBB pro saying he is natural. I am not saying you are not, but you would be one out of thousands, hence the level of disbelief. In fact, in the scheme of things it's nothing - we have threads way longer of people nowhere at your level accused of gearing. Why not just take it with a grain of salt. Do you want to look "natural" and be an IFBB pro? Surely not, that would be the kiss of death really lol.
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This guy is natural as the day is long. Who are we to think he's a liar?
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This guy is natural as the day is long. Who are we to think he's a liar?
i agree, he is an exceptional human being.
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LOL why did this thread get so long, its obvious this guy is a liar we should just leave it at that, sad that some kid though might believe him and end up hurting himself dieting so hard to look like their hero.
jt
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LOL why did this thread get so long, its obvious this guy is a liar we should just leave it at that, sad that some kid though might believe him and end up hurting himself dieting so hard to look like their hero.
jt
daddywaddy didn't get as ripped as Chris and he was on a black coffee and crystal meth diet.
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the diuretic effect is gone once you add salt, i hope you realize this.
Actually sea salt does not react the same in the body as highly processed table salt that most people are used to. But yes I never said I eat asparagus soley for the diuretic effects. I actually like the taste of it and feel its a highly nutritious vegetable.
Chris some of us have bashed you pretty hard. Maybe myself included. Natural or not I think we can all appreciate your dedication and discipline in the sport of bodybuilding.
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Actually sea salt does not react the same in the body as highly processed table salt that most people are used to.
you mean the biochemistry of NaCl is different depending on where the NaCl came from ? ? ?
(no it is not)
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you mean the biochemistry of NaCl is different depending on where the NaCl came from ? ? ?
(no it is not)
No because it has all the other trace minerals which makes the NaCl react differently in the body compared to regular table salt which is very highly processed with things like powdered aluminum, the trace minerals are lost, you simply have NaCl. Lots of cardiac patients with high blood pressure have eliminated table salt and introduced sea salt into their diet with great results. Do the research and you'll see.
Kind of like the difference between raw vs. pasteurized milk. Don't even begin to argue with me that there is no nutritional difference between raw and pasteurized milk. I've been drinking the former for two years and I've done plenty of research on it.
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No because it has all the other trace minerals which makes the NaCl react differently in the body compared to regular table salt which is very highly processed with things like powdered aluminum, the trace minerals are lost, you simply have NaCl. Lots of cardiac patients with high blood pressure have eliminated table salt and introduced sea salt into their diet with great results. Do the research and you'll see.
no problem: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142
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Chris, do I get a free DVD for pushing your product ;D
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no problem: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142
MayoClinic? ::) Just ask that stupid broad's opinion on eating raw eggs and raw dairy and she'll probably call you a crazy nut who will die of food poisoning.
Let me clarify......I'm not talking about refined sea salt. I'm talking things like Real Salt or unrefined celtic salt.
The salt that you find in table salt and most processed foods is sodium chloride. Salt in this form has been processed at high temperatures, which changes the molecular structure and removes vital minerals from the salt. Table salt also contains additives, anticaking agents, and even sugar. Excess salt consumption is associated with high blood pressure, fluid retention, heart and kidney disease.
Trash It: Dump out your salt shaker and toss out all other packaged or processed foods with a high sodium content. This should be pretty easy for most people.
Stash it: We have been told for years to avoid salt, but following this advice can lead to even more problems. We are all salty on the inside--our blood, sweat, tears, and even our urine--it's all salty. It's important to replenish the salt in our body, using the right salt is what makes all the difference in the world. The best way to put salt back into your body is to use Celtic sea salt. This high quality salt contains over 80 balanced minerals from the sea. Celtic sea salt is essential for maintaining proper fluid balance and utilization in the body. It also normalizes blood pressure, enhances digestion, and nourishes the adrenal glands. Celtic sea salt is available at many natural food stores or can be ordered through The Grain and Salt Society, call 1-800-TOPSALT.
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Weston A Price Foundation. www.westonaprice.org
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Chris, do I get a free DVD for pushing your product ;D
Thanks for the plug, I hope it is selling really good on your site. I will send you a free DVD on your reorder through me. I just sent you an e-mail.
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Chris im no hater im actually a fan of your physique, but lets face it you look just like thousands of other top amateurs and pros around the world the only thing that is going to seperate you from being just another great bodybuilder, with a good physique, is to claim your physique to be drug free, people need to understand you need to stick by this marketing tool, as without it, your just another gased up guy with a great physique, i hope there are some believers out there for you, to buy your DVD. As i feel for you bro trying to sell your dvd on the shelf next to Colemans Yates Cutlers etc would be a hard sell, if we knew you were gased up like they are. All power to you maybe a future in politics awaits if you can pull it off. :)
Mike O’Hearn benches 600 lbs, and
Skip La Cour has paper-thin skin, and
You can fool some of the people all of the time.....
Good Post.
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It is very apparent that 95% of the posts on this thread are being made by people with little or no competitive experience to talk about.
In fact these people sound like they've been lifting for 1-2 years max, never attended a show, clearly smaller than Chris which is the automatic burden of proof for him being on drugs.
It is clearly a misconception (commonly made by those new to the sport) that Chris's condition cannot be attained without drugs.
While Chris's conditioning is great, it is not unheard of in the IFPA/WNBF or NGA pro division. And those organizations actually test for pro-hormones etc....
The argument can be made that since the NPC natural criteria is far less stringent than the organizations mentioned, Chris is less natural as there is evidence (advertisement) that he has taken pro-hormones.
Though Chris has avoided addressing the issue, he is basically saying that he has not taken illegal steroids. (hope this helps)
Those that think he is on the sauce because of his conditioning need to try a diet longer than 12 weeks, do more than 1 cardio session a day, not have a weekly cheat meal, stop making pussy accusations that have little or no logical merit.
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It is very apparent that 95% of the posts on this thread are being made by people with little or no competitive experience to talk about.
In fact these people sound like they've been lifting for 1-2 years max, never attended a show, clearly smaller than Chris which is the automatic burden of proof for him being on drugs.
It is clearly a misconception (commonly made by those new to the sport) that Chris's condition cannot be attained without drugs.
While Chris's conditioning is great, it is not unheard of in the IFPA/WNBF or NGA pro division. And those organizations actually test for pro-hormones etc....
The argument can be made that since the NPC natural criteria is far less stringent than the organizations mentioned, Chris is less natural as there is evidence (advertisement) that he has taken pro-hormones.
Though Chris has avoided addressing the issue, he is basically saying that he has not taken illegal steroids. (hope this helps)
Those that think he is on the sauce because of his conditioning need to try a diet longer than 12 weeks, do more than 1 cardio session a day, not have a weekly cheat meal, stop making pussy accusations that have little or no logical merit.
haha ok duh duh duh dearth......you're argument has no logical merit. So if a guy eats asparagus, chicken breasts, and white rice 6-8 times a day, does cardio 7 days a week, for 365 days a year you're saying they could look like Chris. The fact that Chris' "natural" physique rivals the top 1% of drug using bodybuilders in the last 50 years is simply because he's more dedicated and disciplined than any other pro bodybuilder ::) I just gave the guy props for his dedication and discipline and felt some have come down too hard on him but then goofballs like you come on here and say this shit and it's like here we go all over again. LOL. So beating the dead horse goes on..........LMAO! You know nothing about physiology if you think Chris' condition can be achieved with cardio and strict diet. Again why don't you and your ilk answer the question that if it was so simple to achieve Chris' look why don't all the pros use prohormones. I mean if they could achieve their contest prep through prohormones and the legal route don't you think they would? Come on.....get outta here!
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It is very apparent that 95% of the posts on this thread are being made by people with little or no competitive experience to talk about.
In fact these people sound like they've been lifting for 1-2 years max, never attended a show, clearly smaller than Chris which is the automatic burden of proof for him being on drugs.
It is clearly a misconception (commonly made by those new to the sport) that Chris's condition cannot be attained without drugs.
While Chris's conditioning is great, it is not unheard of in the IFPA/WNBF or NGA pro division. And those organizations actually test for pro-hormones etc....
The argument can be made that since the NPC natural criteria is far less stringent than the organizations mentioned, Chris is less natural as there is evidence (advertisement) that he has taken pro-hormones.
Though Chris has avoided addressing the issue, he is basically saying that he has not taken illegal steroids. (hope this helps)
Those that think he is on the sauce because of his conditioning need to try a diet longer than 12 weeks, do more than 1 cardio session a day, not have a weekly cheat meal, stop making pussy accusations that have little or no logical merit.
not only he is on! but he is what gh15 calls a trenbolone addictm,,in other words..if you clearly put him with no hormones....no not pro hormones ...real aas and related products,,,if you take it from him that guy will NEVER EVER see 160lb,,he may be able to keep 150 at the end of the day due to past hormone use,,in actuallity his genetics is bad! not even good! he got no height ,,he got to widness,,,he got very petite frame,,,this is a 130lb 5'3 fella at 12% maybe 10 if really work at it ...if truely natural
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not only he is on! but he is what gh15 calls a trenbolone addictm,,in other words..if you clearly put him with no hormones....no not pro hormones ...real aas and related products,,,if you take it from him that guy will NEVER EVER see 160lb,,he may be able to keep 150 at the end of the day due to past hormone use,,in actuallity his genetics is bad! not even good! he got no height ,,he got to widness,,,he got very petite frame,,,this is a 130lb 5'3 fella at 12% maybe 10 if really work at it ...if truely natural
I just dont understand why these guys claim they are natural when its so obvious they are NOT..... Whats the big deal???? I have just happen to hear through the grapevine he gets his stuff from Nasser... Thats all i have to say about that...
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I just dont understand why these guys claim they are natural when its so obvious they are NOT..... Whats the big deal???? I have just happen to hear through the grapevine he gets his stuff from Nasser... Thats all i have to say about that...
"the grapevine"...hahahaha...oh, brother ::)
Way to assassinate a guy's character on a message board with no proof what-so-ever.
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You could get as hard as Chris with great genetics, or as big as chris, but the combination of both hardness and fullness even on this guy with his limited bodyweight is impossible without the use of drugs, gods sake its no hate its just a no brainer, im not a gh15 beliver and i believe guys do use a lot less than what he says, and genetics pay a much bigger part than what most give credit for. But Chris being Natural is a marketing tool, sell sell sell.
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"the grapevine"...hahahaha...oh, brother ::)
Way to assassinate a guy's character on a message board with no proof what-so-ever.
Hey, its just what I heard.. If you dont like it then dont go running around on message boards claiming "Im a natural" "Im a natural" bullshit, that grinds my gears.. Your right, I shouldnt say what I dont have proof of.
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LOL why did this thread get so long, its obvious this guy is a liar we should just leave it at that, sad that some kid though might believe him and end up hurting himself dieting so hard to look like their hero.
jt
Exactly how is some kid going to hurt himself by mimicking Faildo's dieting techniques WITHOUT using the drugs that Faildo is accused of taking?
That makes about as much sense as saying that if "some kid" follows his tips on gaining mass, without steroids, he might end up hurting himself. In actuality, he may actually end up 10-15 lbs. bigger.
If that (more lean muscle mass) is considered hurting yourself, then inflict the pain on me!!!!.
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Exactly how is some kid going to hurt himself by mimicking Faildo's dieting techniques WITHOUT using the drugs that Faildo is accused of taking?
That makes about as much sense as saying that if "some kid" follows his tips on gaining mass, without steroids, he might end up hurting himself. In actuality, he may actually end up 10-15 lbs. bigger.
If that (more lean muscle mass) is considered hurting yourself, then inflict the pain on me!!!!.
supplements are a multi-billion dollar industry. 90% of supplements are worthless. just think what could be accomplished if that money was spent on something useful. on a personal level, rather than spending a few hundred dollars a month at bbing.com, pay for a better gym, take a class in nutrition, buy better food, maybe even buy a few sessions from a (real) personal trainer.
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haha ok duh duh duh dearth......you're argument has no logical merit. So if a guy eats asparagus, chicken breasts, and white rice 6-8 times a day, does cardio 7 days a week, for 365 days a year you're saying they could look like Chris. The fact that Chris' "natural" physique rivals the top 1% of drug using bodybuilders in the last 50 years is simply because he's more dedicated and disciplined than any other pro bodybuilder ::) I just gave the guy props for his dedication and discipline and felt some have come down too hard on him but then goofballs like you come on here and say this shit and it's like here we go all over again. LOL. So beating the dead horse goes on..........LMAO! You know nothing about physiology if you think Chris' condition can be achieved with cardio and strict diet. Again why don't you and your ilk answer the question that if it was so simple to achieve Chris' look why don't all the pros use prohormones. I mean if they could achieve their contest prep through prohormones and the legal route don't you think they would? Come on.....get outta here!
There's a difference between "simple" and "easy". Benching 405 lbs is as simple as benching 135.
Again, I referred to the physique of the "Iron Guru", Vince Gironda. He knew how to get shredded, without becoming a walking pharmacy.
With regards to your asking why some folks don't go the legal route, the answer is....the legal route is HARDER (as far as effort and duration go).
Wayne DeMilla put it this way, when asked about testing for diruetics (He was interviewed by IronMan, in response to the claims of an anonymous pro, claiming that bodybuilders spend over $60,000 in drugs and don't really train hard), and this isn't an exact quote.
"In order for me to get ripped without diruetics, I have to drop my carbs, which makes me edgy. I have to use saunas; I have to use wraps. I have to do extra cardio. But, I don't want to do all that, if I can just take a shot".
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supplements are a multi-billion dollar industry. 90% of supplements are worthless. just think what could be accomplished if that money was spent on something useful. on a personal level, rather than spending a few hundred dollars a month at bbing.com, pay for a better gym, take a class in nutrition, buy better food, maybe even buy a few sessions from a (real) personal trainer.
Where did you get the idea that taking Faildo's advice on getting ripped, without using drugs, translates into bleeding your wallet dry on supplements?
I wasn't really talking about supplements, which are indeed worthless IF you don't have the basics down (as you mentioned: the food, the training, etc.).
If you do, on the other hand, supplements are of great benefit. Nowhere is it mentioned that Faildo's advice for getting sliced rest SOLELY on the procurement of supplements. I haven't seen his DVD. But, I'll go out on a limb and say that he mentions a thing or two about diet and proper nutrition. Same would go for training.
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You are confusing conditioning and size to further your weak accusations.
No where has anyone stated that Chris's physique rivals the top 1% of drug using bodybuilders.
Chris Faildo is no different from other top drug free bodybuilders Doug Miller, Brian Whitacre, Dave Goodin etc...
Their discipline and dedication is far beyond any drug using IFBB pro.
The ones that find this fairly simple concept difficult to accept are the ones that refuse to believe that there are harder working bodybuilders than themselves.
haha ok duh duh duh dearth......you're argument has no logical merit. So if a guy eats asparagus, chicken breasts, and white rice 6-8 times a day, does cardio 7 days a week, for 365 days a year you're saying they could look like Chris. The fact that Chris' "natural" physique rivals the top 1% of drug using bodybuilders in the last 50 years is simply because he's more dedicated and disciplined than any other pro bodybuilder ::) I just gave the guy props for his dedication and discipline and felt some have come down too hard on him but then goofballs like you come on here and say this shit and it's like here we go all over again. LOL. So beating the dead horse goes on..........LMAO! You know nothing about physiology if you think Chris' condition can be achieved with cardio and strict diet. Again why don't you and your ilk answer the question that if it was so simple to achieve Chris' look why don't all the pros use prohormones. I mean if they could achieve their contest prep through prohormones and the legal route don't you think they would? Come on.....get outta here!
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You are confusing conditioning and size to further your weak accusations.
No where has anyone stated that Chris's physique rivals the top 1% of drug using bodybuilders.
Chris Faildo is no different from other top drug free bodybuilders Doug Miller, Brian Whitacre, Dave Goodin etc...
Their discipline and dedication is far beyond any drug using IFBB pro.
The ones that find this fairly simple concept difficult to accept are the ones that refuse to believe that there are harder working bodybuilders than themselves.
Learn to read genius. I said top 1% of the last 50 years. But I guess Faildo is a smareter, more disciplined, and harder working bodybuilder than those of the 70's and 80's and 90's. Because yes his physique is on par with them.
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Exactly how is some kid going to hurt himself by mimicking Faildo's dieting techniques WITHOUT using the drugs that Faildo is accused of taking?
That makes about as much sense as saying that if "some kid" follows his tips on gaining mass, without steroids, he might end up hurting himself. In actuality, he may actually end up 10-15 lbs. bigger.
If that (more lean muscle mass) is considered hurting yourself, then inflict the pain on me!!!!.
Exactly..... Well said..
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Chris...been inspired by you!
As a former Hawaiian Islander, I am very proud of you for your success
Im going to get your DVD to motivate me!
Im glad you post on here!
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I just ordered the video. HouseOfBodybuilding.com sells Chris's DVD for only $29.95. Other sites sell it for $39.95
http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207 (http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207)
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I just ordered the video. HouseOfBodybuilding.com sells Chris's DVD for only $29.95. Other sites sell it for $39.95
http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207 (http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207)
Wow, that's a steal for $29.95. Thanks for purchsing it and I hope you enjoy all 6 hours plus of it.
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Wow, that's a steal for $29.95. Thanks for purchsing it and I hope you enjoy all 6 hours plus of it.
That's a steal? LOL. How much do you think you should charge for your DVD? $99.95? I'm sure half of it is watching you cook chicken breasts/eat and workout in the gym right?
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That's a steal? LOL. How much do you think you should charge for your DVD? $99.95? I'm sure half of it is watching you cook chicken breasts/eat and workout in the gym right?
maybe it's what's in the other half that makes his DVD "a steal"?
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I just ordered the video. HouseOfBodybuilding.com sells Chris's DVD for only $29.95. Other sites sell it for $39.95
http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207 (http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207)
Hi bob chic/chris faildo. ::)
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Hi bob chic/chris faildo. ::)
Im not Bob Chic or Chris Faildo!
Yes, it is a steal! Its a good price! Trust me, I bought other bodybuilding DVDs that cost more than this and that werent really entertaining. When I saw the preview to this video, I was very eager to get it. It looks exciting and it reminds me of what I am missing back at my real home (Hawaii)
Chris Faildo is a big name in Hawaii and Ive been a fan of his for years and I am glad that he came out with a DVD. It will give me a glimpse of what his training and lifestyle is.
Im excited about this video!
So to help promote Chris Faildo, I encouragel you getbiggers to buy his DVD and get to understand Chris through it:
here is the link that sells it for$29.95 http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207
(http://houseofbodybuilding.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=207)
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That's a steal? LOL. How much do you think you should charge for your DVD? $99.95? I'm sure half of it is watching you cook chicken breasts/eat and workout in the gym right?
Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean you should put it down, asshole.
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That's a steal? LOL. How much do you think you should charge for your DVD? $99.95? I'm sure half of it is watching you cook chicken breasts/eat and workout in the gym right?
Actually hjalf of it is cooking chicken and half of it is working out.
BB DVDs are the most boring shit on earth.
Buy some whey protein from the money and spend the time in the gym that you would throw away watching it.
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Actually hjalf of it is cooking chicken and half of it is working out.
BB DVDs are the most boring shit on earth.
Buy some whey protein from the money and spend the time in the gym that you would throw away watching it.
Come on dude! If you cant afford a dvd why are you into bodybuilding and training?
here are some of us that like to look at the lives of pro bodybuilders and find out what they are like.
I say support the bodybuilders and buy their dvds so they wont have to do gay for pay or nude dancing!
Persoanlly, I want to see how Chris juggles bodybuilding, his clients, and training for a show. Id like to see the determination of how he overcomes to be successful at what he does.
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Come on dude! If you cant afford a dvd why are you into bodybuilding and training?
here are some of us that like to look at the lives of pro bodybuilders and find out what they are like.
I say support the bodybuilders and buy their dvds so they wont have to do gay for pay or nude dancing!
Persoanlly, I want to see how Chris juggles bodybuilding, his clients, and training for a show. Id like to see the determination of how he overcomes to be successful at what he does.
THAT has to be the dumbest thing i ever read on this page!
Are you saying i cannot build my body when i don't buy those gay DVDs??
You're obviously brutally retarded.
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Just because you obviously cant afford a DVD, dont tell people they shouldnt be wasting their money on stuff they want to buy
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Just because you obviously cant afford a DVD, dont tell people they shouldnt be wasting their money on stuff they want to buy
lol, i rather buy a good movie dvd or go out for dinner than wasting my money on grunting men on DVD.
BB DVDs = as necessary as malaria.
Just because you like to masturbate to training videos doesn"t mean that people who like to workout instead of sitting in front of the TV can't consider themselves 'bodybuilders'.
hope this helps, now crawl back to the beach, boy. ::)
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lol, i rather buy a good movie dvd or go out for dinner than wasting my money on grunting men on DVD.
BB DVDs = as necessary as malaria.
Just because you like to masturbate to training videos doesn"t mean that people who like to workout instead of sitting in front of the TV can't consider themselves 'bodybuilders'.
hope this helps, now crawl back to the beach, boy. ::)
Thats your fantasy not mine! I m actually married and have a wife and kids.
Its the same people who accuse people of that shit that actually does that shit
Thats your opinion regarding bodybuilding DVDs. Some are very informative like Shawn ray's DVDs that tell you what he eats for nutrition, ect.
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Thats your fantasy not mine! I m actually married and have a wife and kids.
Its the same people who accuse people of that shit that actually does that shit
Thats your opinion regarding bodybuilding DVDs. Some are very informative like Shawn ray's DVDs that tell you what he eats for nutrition, ect.
brutal kindergarten argumentation.
bodybuilding DVDs contain NOTHING that isn't available in books or online on the message boards. If you want the information, you can get it here. If you want to look at sweating, grunting men behind closed doors, you buy a BB DVD.
You may be married, but i bet my ass you watch the DVDs alone and tone the volume down because you are afraid of your wife's comments when she finds out you watch naked men.
Hope this helps.
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Now you are sick for making a comment like that. Shows how demented you are.
Yeah, I compete too. Youre going to say people who go to bodybuilding events only go there because they are lusting after male bodies? I know the gay guys do but Im a heterosexual male who doesnt get turned on by the male physique.
You really need to rethink if you love the sport of bodybuilding or not.
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Now you are sick for making a comment like that. Shows how demented you are.
Yeah, I compete too. Youre going to say people who go to bodybuilding events only go there because they are lusting after male bodies? I know the gay guys do but Im a heterosexual male who doesnt get turned on by the male physique.
You really need to rethink if you love the sport of bodybuilding or not.
Yes, keep fooling yourself that you aren't gay, next time you stand in front of a stage and look at half naked guys dancing or phantasizing about Jason Cutler's big biceps...
DOING bodybuilding: yes all the way
Watching bodybuilding: gay as a finnish summer day is long.
Hope this helps, my friend.
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Yes, keep fooling yourself that you aren't gay, next time you stand in front of a stage and look at half naked guys dancing or phantasizing about Jason Cutler's big biceps...
DOING bodybuilding: yes all the way
Watching bodybuilding: gay as a finnish summer day is long.
Hope this helps, my friend.
Doing bodybuilding involves competing. That means that, if you're doing bodybuilding, you are JUST AS GAY as you claim EwaBeachBoy is.
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Doing bodybuilding involves competing. That means that, if you're doing bodybuilding, you are JUST AS GAY as you claim EwaBeachBoy is.
First: Since when does DOING BB require competing? I can build my body, but do i have to show it off on stage to a gay audience? No.
Second: Where did i say that the guys on stage are gay? Nowhere. The guys WATCHING are gay.
DOING BB: great.
Watching BB: great as well, if you are gay.
Hope this helps.
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First: Since when does DOING BB require competing? I can build my body, but do i have to show it off on stage to a gay audience? No.
Second: Where did i say that the guys on stage are gay? Nowhere. The guys WATCHING are gay.
Says who, especially given the number of less-than-moderately-dressed women, accompanying some of the men in the audience?
DOING BB: great.
Watching BB: great as well, if you are gay.
Hope this helps.
The problem is that YOU watch bodybuilding, either by reading a magazine, observing a contest (via DVD, VHS videotape, or telecast), or viewing pics on the web. That is, unless you are under the impression that your computer monitor/TV set somehow filters the "gay" away.
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Come on guys......we are on a BODYBUILDING forum...we look at ourselves in the mirrors a little different from the average joe.
watching bb dvds should not be any different from basketball fans watching jordan dvds....The price of the dvds are a whole different story, it is up to the customers if they are willing to pay.
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Says who, especially given the number of less-than-moderately-dressed women, accompanying some of the men in the audience?
The problem is that YOU watch bodybuilding, either by reading a magazine, observing a contest (via DVD, VHS videotape, or telecast), or viewing pics on the web. That is, unless you are under the impression that your computer monitor/TV set somehow filters the "gay" away.
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I don't read the magazines, i don't watch the DVDs. i post here for pure fun and info on training and nutrition.
I don't give a fuck about any pro BB or any contest, i just love to train.
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I don't read the magazines, i don't watch the DVDs. i post here for pure fun and info on training and nutrition.
I don't give a fuck about any pro BB or any contest, i just love to train.
And all of this info on training and nutrition appears, without photos?
You have us believe that you have NEVER, EVER:
- Viewed a bodybuilding magazine
- Seen a bodybuilding contest (either in person, via telecast, or by DVD/videotape), or
- Seen any bodybuilding pics on this or any other site.
And, you've kept yourself from doing so, lest someone think you're a homo.
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I am glad that he came out with a DVD. It will give me a glimpse of what his training and lifestyle is.
just as much as those (ghost written) articles in Flex and MD will tell you about the training and lifestyle of your other favorite bodybuilders.
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Actually hjalf of it is cooking chicken and half of it is working out.
BB DVDs are the most boring shit on earth.
Buy some whey protein from the money and spend the time in the gym that you would throw away watching it.
Wait a second!!!
That means that you have watched bodybuilding DVDs, which (by your standards) means.....you're gay.
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Expalin this
What about it? You have no room to talk. You're worse than Faildo, lying about Lockett.
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just as much as those (ghost written) articles in Flex and MD will tell you about the training and lifestyle of your other favorite bodybuilders.
I bet there are some secrets revealed in this video. Such as that Faildo eats a lot of chicken.
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BB DVDs = as necessary as malaria.
you could say the sme about bodybuilding boards but yet you have 12,000+ posts :-*
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Watching BB: great as well, if you are gay.
wow... calling someone "gay"...you must be the man ::)
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Wow, still at it! Ewa beach boy, don't worry about these haters- you know they are all wanting to get my DVD but afraid after posting those stupid remarks. Thanks again for the plug. You can also get it on my site at www.cfaildo.com The owners of Japan Ironman Magazine just purchased a whole bunch to sell to there readers and they sell it for over $80.00 per DVD. How's that! Probodybuildingdvds also picked up a bunch, that's another site that sells it. Come on Haters- bring it! Oh yeah, by the way- I'm still natural and kciking ass.....
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lol, i love how serious everyone gets and feels the need to "defend" bodybuilding from the accusation of being gay.
You guys are too easy.
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Wow, still at it! Ewa beach boy, don't worry about these haters- you know they are all wanting to get my DVD but afraid after posting those stupid remarks. Thanks again for the plug. You can also get it on my site at www.cfaildo.com The owners of Japan Ironman Magazine just purchased a whole bunch to sell to there readers and they sell it for over $80.00 per DVD. How's that! Probodybuildingdvds also picked up a bunch, that's another site that sells it. Come on Haters- bring it! Oh yeah, by the way- I'm still natural and kciking ass.....
Those 'haters' got you to finally admit to using prohormones and thyroid boosters. The fact is that you would have no niche or marketability at all if it weren't for your natural claims.
The facts is that you can plug your dvds as much as you like..but you ain't no lifetime natural and that's obvious dude.
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Those 'haters' got you to finally admit to using prohormones and thyroid boosters. The fact is that you would have no niche or marketability at all if it weren't for your natural claims.
The facts is that you can plug your dvds as much as you like..but you ain't no lifetime natural and that's obvious dude.
Hi hater. :)
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Wow, still at it! Ewa beach boy, don't worry about these haters- you know they are all wanting to get my DVD but afraid after posting those stupid remarks. Thanks again for the plug. You can also get it on my site at www.cfaildo.com The owners of Japan Ironman Magazine just purchased a whole bunch to sell to there readers and they sell it for over $80.00 per DVD. How's that! Probodybuildingdvds also picked up a bunch, that's another site that sells it. Come on Haters- bring it! Oh yeah, by the way- I'm still natural and kciking ass.....
I am not a hater. I don't care if you juice or not.
I have been saying that I hope your dvd has a back-end...THAT is where the real money is, Mr. F!
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I am not a hater. I don't care if you juice or not.
I have been saying that I hope your dvd has a back-end...THAT is where the real money is, Mr. F!
Are you talking about a secret nude posing section?
That would probably make it a bestseller.
Oh wait, i'm so sorry, there aren't any gay fans in BB. ::) ::)
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Are you talking about a secret nude posing section?
That would probably make it a bestseller.
Oh wait, i'm so sorry, there aren't any gay fans in BB. ::) ::)
Business back end means other things to sell...the dvd, not being a big money generator, lures prospects in to buy and buy again other items
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Those 'haters' got you to finally admit to using prohormones and thyroid boosters. The fact is that you would have no niche or marketability at all if it weren't for your natural claims.
The facts is that you can plug your dvds as much as you like..but you ain't no lifetime natural and that's obvious dude.
Says who? Again, that was Chick's point. We've seen at least three definitions of "natural", here.
Faildo's definition: Any nutritional supplement that can be legally purchased over-the-counter in the USA.
MuscleMcMannus definition: Food, vitamins, and protein powder.
The definition of that freshman football player I mentioned: Food only.
The only reason Faildo gets accused of lying is because he actually looks great. If he looked like garbage, the doubters would virtually vanish.
If you think you can't be 165 lbs. ripped without drugs, find another hobby!!!
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Says who? Again, that was Chick's point. We've seen at least three definitions of "natural", here.
Faildo's definition: Any nutritional supplement that can be legally purchased over-the-counter in the USA.
MuscleMcMannus definition: Food, vitamins, and protein powder.
The definition of that freshman football player I mentioned: Food only.
The only reason Faildo gets accused of lying is because he actually looks great. If he looked like garbage, the doubters would virtually vanish.
If you think you can't be 165 lbs. ripped without drugs, find another hobby!!!
at 5'10 yes he can be 165 lb ripped at his dwarf height of 5'2 and a half? he can only dream about it unless he does what he is doing best and it is using the hormones no pro hormones no nothign real legit hormones both vet and human grade with real duretics
that fella wouldnt even be 125 naturally ,,,this guy is naturally 123-130 lb with clothes on
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at 5'10 yes he can be 165 lb ripped at his dwarf height of 5'2 and a half? he can only dream about it unless he does what he is doing best and it is using the hormones no pro hormones no nothign real legit hormones both vet and human grade with real duretics
that fella wouldnt even be 125 naturally ,,,this guy is naturally 123-130 lb with clothes on
GH, just get out of your 30 day prison stint?
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GH, just get out of your 30 day prison stint?
gh15 in prison? the day it happens is the day the goverment falls friend
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gh15 in prison? the day it happens is the day the goverment falls friend
LMAO!!
Post of the month!
If i ever go to jail, all nintendo games consoles will come and free me.
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LMAO!!
Post of the month!
If i ever go to jail, all nintendo games consoles will come and free me.
world war 3 start in 2015,,try to get in jail befoe that because in 2015 you may very wll be enlisted in the german army ,,statr counting the days
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gh15 in prison? the day it happens is the day the goverment falls friend
Ha!
First time GH ever responded to a post by me!
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world war 3 start in 2015,,try to get in jail befoe that because in 2015 you may very wll be enlisted in the german army ,,statr counting the days
Will your space aliens be involved in any way?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Will your space aliens be involved in any way?
Inquiring minds want to know.
i will join the alien army, or i fight for Nintendo.
As we all know, the states of the future will be the big companies.
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LMAO!!
Post of the month!
If i ever go to jail, all nintendo games consoles will come and free me.
If I go to jail, the opiate companies will close down!
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world war 3 start in 2015,,try to get in jail befoe that because in 2015 you may very wll be enlisted in the german army ,,statr counting the days
Can you be more specific, month,day, time? Wanna clear my calendar...
Circumstances, and who is whose ally, etc, please? Would like to know in case I need to relocate.
Thanks in advance.
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world war 3 start in 2015,,try to get in jail befoe that because in 2015 you may very wll be enlisted in the german army ,,statr counting the days
Look around you, gh. Are the walls padded? :D
/totally agree with you concerning the 'naturalness' of this guy. as squad used to say: "oh brother"
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its called diet guys...seriously
Check Jeff rodriguez on MD, same kind of conditioning and totally natural
(http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=44793&d=1190197064)
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Getbig should have a Team As-Natural As in addition to TEAM GAYER THAN!
Discuss.
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its called diet guys...seriously
Check Jeff rodriguez on MD, same kind of conditioning and totally natural
(http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=44793&d=1190197064)
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING BOUT BODYBUILDING YOU KNOW THIS DWARF IS NOT NATURAL,,,,YOU NEED TO LOOK AGAIN..,,,
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IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING BOUT BODYBUILDING YOU KNOW THIS DWARF IS NOT NATURAL,,,,YOU NEED TO LOOK AGAIN..,,,
I thought you told me you were in jail?
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its called diet guys...seriously
Check Jeff rodriguez on MD, same kind of conditioning and totally natural
(http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=44793&d=1190197064)
Dude, do you even know what the test consists of??? Its a 90 year old retired detective using a polygraph that is just as old as he is... Sometimes I dont even think they plug the thing in.... ::) I call bullshit and shame on those who make these claims...
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Out of curiosity Chris.....does your video simply show your life/training or do you get into what your philosophy is on dieting for shows? I saw you said you "researched nutrition".....do you cut through a lot of the crap thats out there so up and coming competitors dont have to do the same?
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IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING BOUT BODYBUILDING YOU KNOW THIS DWARF IS NOT NATURAL,,,,YOU NEED TO LOOK AGAIN..,,,
You don't think he is natural? I've been wondering lately about him mainly because he competes in the TU and most are not natural in there. But he is 5'9" about 175 ish on stage which isn't too unbelievable.
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IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING BOUT BODYBUILDING YOU KNOW THIS DWARF IS NOT NATURAL,,,,YOU NEED TO LOOK AGAIN..,,,
Why didn't you post this under your gh15 handle? ???
You don't think he is natural? I've been wondering lately about him mainly because he competes in the TU and most are not natural in there. But he is 5'9" about 175 ish on stage which isn't too unbelievable.
Chris is not 5'9". More like 5'5" and competes around 155. I can't believe some of you believe that can't be acheived naturally. ::) Now the fullness and level of definition are extremely unusual for a natty, but Chris could simply be genetically gifted. I know I tend to be more striated than most when my bodyfat levels are low.
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Chris is not 5'9". More like 5'5" and competes around 155. I can't believe some of you believe that can't be acheived naturally. ::) Now the fullness and level of definition are extremely unusual for a natty, but Chris could simply be genetically gifted. I know I tend to be more striated than most when my bodyfat levels are low.
Wasn't talking about Chris. Not even debateable with him. Obvious user. I quoted the guy questioning Rodriguez.
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It has nothing to do with height and weight..those are simply numbers. It's his conditioning people seem to question.
I think it's believable simply because he defines natural as anything over the counter. That's a lot of prohormones and the like.. If you take PHs then you may as well take steroids as you get the sides with less gains
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It has nothing to do with height and weight..those are simply numbers. It's his conditioning people seem to question.
I think it's believable simply because he defines natural as anything over the counter. That's a lot of prohormones and the like.. If you take PHs then you may as well take steroids as you get the sides with less gains
That's how I define natural too. Prohormones aren't worth shit and sure as hell won't make you massive or ripped like Chris.
Not even debateable with him. Obvious user.
hi hater :)
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As natural as Laura Lee's breasts.
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As natural as Laura Lee's breasts.
jealousy is a bitch!
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Dude, do you even know what the test consists of??? Its a 90 year old retired detective using a polygraph that is just as old as he is... Sometimes I dont even think they plug the thing in.... ::) I call bullshit and shame on those who make these claims...
Actually he has good genetics, there is a pic of him before he began weight training and he already had an athletic body.
He is natural, check his thread on MD in the Nattie section
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Prohormones aren't worth shit
They aren't anywhere as near as effective as AAS and still have the sides but the good ones do massively raise test levels.
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Actually he has good genetics, there is a pic of him before he began weight training and he already had an athletic body.
He is natural, check his thread on MD in the Nattie section
Well we will never know.. I do like his physique, dont get me wrong, Im not hatin on that.. Just because someone writes a thread doesnt mean it is true. Just like what we write on this thread whether he is a natty or not doesnt mean it is true either, who knows ??? Its all a matter of opinion ;D
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Gotthe video today and Ive been enjoying it.
Chris is very informative and indepth about his nutrition and gives a lot of pointers and tips.
This is by far one of my most favorite bodybuilding DVDs along with Shawn Ray's DVD bcause you actuall learn something.
Youre not just watching someone lift weight and go through the motions but you are actually learning and being inspired.
I have Jay Cutler (A Cut Above) and Dong Long's DVD and these DVDs were boring as hell. It just shows them lifting the majority of time. And Jay doesnt seem to have much of a personality in the video. You dont learn about their nutrition and you arent bing given any tips to help you out...
I learned many new tips especially how to make chicken and steak taste better ;) Chris gives a marinade recipee in it :)
One thing that I liked about the video is that Chris is a humble person. He isnt big headed at all. Very solid work ethic and very passionate about the sport he loves
I dont want to spoil it for those who want to get the DVD so I am going to end with a 2 thumbs up!
This is a DVD I know I will be watching a lot to be inspired. Its also a video that I would lend to my friends who are starting out who want to get more knowledge...
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Gotthe video today and Ive been enjoying it.
Chris is very informative and indepth about his nutrition and gives a lot of pointers and tips.
This is by far one of my most favorite bodybuilding DVDs along with Shawn Ray's DVD bcause you actuall learn something.
Youre not just watching someone lift weight and go through the motions but you are actually learning and being inspired.
I have Jay Cutler (A Cut Above) and Dong Long's DVD and these DVDs were boring as hell. It just shows them lifting the majority of time. And Jay doesnt seem to have much of a personality in the video. You dont learn about their nutrition and you arent bing given any tips to help you out...
I learned many new tips especially how to make chicken and steak taste better ;) Chris gives a marinade recipee in it :)
One thing that I liked about the video is that Chris is a humble person. He isnt big headed at all. Very solid work ethic and very passionate about the sport he loves
I dont want to spoil it for those who want to get the DVD so I am going to end with a 2 thumbs up!
This is a DVD I know I will be watching a lot to be inspired. Its also a video that I would lend to my friends who are starting out who want to get more knowledge...
For fucksake Chris give it a rest, or do us all a favour and market your shit in MD like all the others, this is getbig, not getpaid.
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For fucksake Chris give it a rest, or do us all a favour and market your shit in MD like all the others, this is getbig, not getpaid.
How many times do I have to tell you? Im not Chris Faildo!
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How many times do I have to tell you? Im not Chris Faildo!
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You don't think he is natural? I've been wondering lately about him mainly because he competes in the TU and most are not natural in there. But he is 5'9" about 175 ish on stage which isn't too unbelievable.
Exactly, good post my friend
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good question...I don't see why they'd be any more sophisticated....nothing that could not be beaten by finesteride, making agent
many supposed naturals= "methinks they doth protest too much..."
Someone denying drug use is hardly protesting too much, especially when the charge lazily originates from those who have no proof.
Chris strikes me as someone who trains harder than most, someone with a wiry fast metabolism prone to cuts. He has muscle maturity and refinement consistent with hard training and diet coupled with good size, all achieved over decades. At 165 lb. he doesn't have the innordinate, unnatural size one now expects with drug use.
The results aren't hard to conceive when everything from training to diet's applied over decades, not years. I think some here can't imagine that kind of consistency.
I am not a hater. I don't care if you juice or not.
Laziest thing is cynicism without proof. You do in fact seem a little jealous.
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It is very apparent that 95% of the posts on this thread are being made by people with little or no competitive experience to talk about.
In fact these people sound like they've been lifting for 1-2 years max, never attended a show, clearly smaller than Chris which is the automatic burden of proof for him being on drugs.
It is clearly a misconception (commonly made by those new to the sport) that Chris's condition cannot be attained without drugs.
While Chris's conditioning is great, it is not unheard of in the IFPA/WNBF or NGA pro division. And those organizations actually test for pro-hormones etc....
The argument can be made that since the NPC natural criteria is far less stringent than the organizations mentioned, Chris is less natural as there is evidence (advertisement) that he has taken pro-hormones.
Though Chris has avoided addressing the issue, he is basically saying that he has not taken illegal steroids. (hope this helps)
Those that think he is on the sauce because of his conditioning need to try a diet longer than 12 weeks, do more than 1 cardio session a day, not have a weekly cheat meal, stop making pussy accusations that have little or no logical merit.
Agreed, most here haven't trained or dieted as hard or long to know either way.
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One can be muscular. One can have very low bodyfat. One can be striated. One can be hard. One can be dry. But is pretty much impossible to be all of those things at the same time without chemical assistance.
Arbitary conclusions.
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i changed my mind,,
this fella would be 120lb naturally ,,not 130lb like i thought ..he is just too petite
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i changed my mind,,
this fella would be 120lb naturally ,,not 130lb like i thought ..he is just too petite
chill out JOCKTHEGLIDE, your envy will give you high blood pressure. ;)
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Please look at any pictures of truly natural bodybuilders and they DO NOT have pencil thick vascularity all over their arms, forehead, legs, and chest like Chris does. That right fucking there is not natural. Why do you girls keep bringing up size? Size has fuck all to do with it.
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Laziest thing is cynicism without proof.
thats a great quote!
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Please look at any pictures of truly natural bodybuilders and they DO NOT have pencil thick vascularity all over their arms, forehead, legs, and chest like Chris does.
Neither does Jay Cutler. No wonder he looked soft last year!
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i changed my mind,,
this fella would be 120lb naturally ,,not 130lb like i thought ..he is just too petite
LMAO!!!
Are you saying if Chris was natural, he could DOUBLE his weight by showering with his pants on? ;D ;D
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Hey guys, I haven't been on my computer for a few days since i'm on a business trip in LA and Vegas. I thought we were done with this topic about me being Natural. Oh well, lets put it this way- I haven't changed anything since i last posted. Still doing it the FAILDO"s way-totally clean! Can anyone of you tell me the class winners of the year I won my class at the USA? That's right I'm trying to change the subject. Let the natural thing rest!
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damn
chris is an IFBB pro??? ???
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They aren't anywhere as near as effective as AAS and still have the sides but the good ones do massively raise test levels.
Some of them are basically steroids. I mean Superdrol? M1T? M40hn? Those are all pre-ban, but I'm guessing he bought them while they were still OTC. They are directly anabolic and will even give you bitch tits if you're not careful. They even methylate them to make them more effective. :-X
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Some of them are basically steroids. I mean Superdrol? M1T? M40hn? Those are all pre-ban, but I'm guessing he bought them while they were still OTC. They are directly anabolic and will even give you bitch tits if you're not careful. They even methylate them to make them more effective. :-X
They are all SHIT. Faildo had the same look WAY before those products hit the market, dunderhead.
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Can anyone of you tell me the class winners of the year I won my class at the USA?
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=USA+Championships+-+NPC&y=1993
Let the natural thing rest!
stop using it as a marketing tool
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http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=USA+Championships+-+NPC&y=1993
stop using it as a marketing tool
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=USA+Championships+-+NPC&y=1993
stop using it as a marketing tool
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http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=USA+Championships+-+NPC&y=1993
Good thing he's a midget then.
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stop using it as a marketing tool
Why shouldn't he if it helps him make money, jackass.
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Why shouldn't he if it helps him make money, jackass.
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hi hater :)
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Who fuckin cares what someone else is or is not taking? ::)
Talk about owning some minds.........
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bottom line great conditioning,build,point a and b dosen't matter whre and how he got there.
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Please look at any pictures of truly natural bodybuilders and they DO NOT have pencil thick vascularity all over their arms, forehead, legs, and chest like Chris does. That right fucking there is not natural. Why do you girls keep bringing up size? Size has fuck all to do with it.
And, these pics of “truly natural bodybuilders” would be located where?
BTW, you're confident they’ve consuming nothing outside food, vitamins, and protein powder (or, even that dreaded, testicle-shrinking Weider’s Sugar-Free Big), which is your definition of "natural", no?