Please post pics of thouse athletes with killer bodies and also where it says they only eat 50g protein a day.
P.S. This thread is uber lame.
translation: I eat every tuna every 2 hours and the black guy at gym who eats cheerios for breakfast has better body than meyep you goddamm right them sumbitchss are ripped they come out of them big ass breeding women aunt jimmama
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im sure this guy is prioritizing his tupper ware contianers with chicken and rice ::)
If the type of "killer bodies" you're talking about are the skinny David Beckham, homo looking physiques then you are correct. Otherwise, I don't think anyone here should be lowering their protein consumption any time soon. homo hippies have been preaching this for years and they look like disheveled Grateful Dead eraser heads that did too much LSD back in the day and refuse bathing and wearing deodorant or anti perspirant. :D
Oh shit this guy is huge, I guess you win, from now on I will only be eating 50g protein per day like this guy.
to all u high protein nuts
let me asks u this
why convicts in jail are huge and muscular yet they do not eat super high proteins diet-they just pile in calories
why did eugene sandow of yesteryears not eat all this every 2-3 hours crap and he was in good shape?
just eat manly and train hard-no need to weigh and count calories-eat hearty and watch the gains come
no need to eat 5000 calories likes all the mags tell u
wise up
to all u high protein nutsYou don't have a clue what you are talking about Eugene sandow has as much muscle as one of Ronnies legs and every convict I've seen is fat, believe me there is roids in there too, and they do eat extra protein. Top pros eat large amounts of protein and when you figure this out then maybe you will have muscle too.
let me asks u this
why convicts in jail are huge and muscular yet they do not eat super high proteins diet-they just pile in calories
why did eugene sandow of yesteryears not eat all this every 2-3 hours crap and he was in good shape?
just eat manly and train hard-no need to weigh and count calories-eat hearty and watch the gains come
no need to eat 5000 calories likes all the mags tell u
wise up
say you test two groups over the course of 1 year... conditions are as ideal as possible (both naturals- as obviously juicers must intake much protein)0.5 grams times bodyweight is enough
group a-50g's/year
group b-250g's
-starting at same bodyfat levels and same weight
-both have same diet/workout routine except a protein difference (Ex: carbs and fat intake are same)
I would not expect their to be exceptionally MORE muscle on the person who at 250g's
there are A LOT more people on this planet that eat a "normal diet" and have great looking bodies than their are people who eat typical "bb diets" consisting of 7 chicken breasts/2 lbs of steak a day
Im NOT referring to male runway models, like i said - athletes that workout hard but just dont eat stupid protein amounts
like THIS guy
think about all the baseball, football, basketball etc etc players out there that workout hard and have killer bodies... i guarantee u they ate a "normal" (relatively speaking) diet
to all u high protein nuts
let me asks u this
why convicts in jail are huge and muscular yet they do not eat super high proteins diet-they just pile in calories
why did eugene sandow of yesteryears not eat all this every 2-3 hours crap and he was in good shape?
just eat manly and train hard-no need to weigh and count calories-eat hearty and watch the gains come
no need to eat 5000 calories likes all the mags tell u
wise up
You don't have a clue what you are talking about Eugene sandow has as much muscle as one of Ronnies legs and every convict I've seen is fat, believe me there is roids in there too, and they do eat extra protein. Top pros eat large amounts of protein and when you figure this out then maybe you will have muscle too.
I agree with that, but 50g of protein is what my mom eats and she's a midget 4'11" Filipina. That's too low. I agree that you can eat more carbs and especially more fats to grow well, but 50g of protein is nothing. I don't suck back 1000g of "plotein" (kyomu... ;)) each day, but I can easily eat or drink 50g of protein in a sitting.
I've tinkered around with lower protein diets but I don't like going too far below 200g of protein each day. If it's QUALITY protein you're consuming then a gram per pound of lean bodymass will probably suffice. And no, I'm not posting with a piece of cold tilapia or chicken breast in a tupperware or ziplock bag. I'm not psycho but there are two polar extremes, with ultra low protein being more useless than ultra high protein.
oh BROTHER... I love how all the bb's on here happen to "know" the minority of convicts that get juice. What a coincidence. THE vast MAJORITY of prisoners that are mean, BIG and fucking RIPPED do NOT have ANY access to juice give me a fucking break.
PROS yes of COURSE they must intake high amounts of protein as that is the mechanism of action for steroids.
Dbol, fina pellets, even injectables aren't impossible to get in prisons. But yeah, the prison comparison isn't fair. There's lifting for recreation and lifting not to get fucked in the ass and killed in your sleep. Plus they do fuck all, day-in, day-out, needless to say. No need to talk about prisons anyway because all of them are so varied, different dealers, different security levels, etc.
So she works out extremely hard every day, eats 50g's, and just DOESNT happen to grow huh? either one or all of those statements is incorrect. Whats her regimen, and what is her diet? Dude, why is it that u "just dont like" going below 200? I gurantee u there is no fucking difference in muscle gain. its all MENTAL because uve read for so long "eat big to get big".
So she works out extremely hard every day, eats 50g's, and just DOESNT happen to grow huh? either one or all of those statements is incorrect. Whats her regimen, and what is her diet? Dude, why is it that u "just dont like" going below 200? I gurantee u there is no fucking difference in muscle gain. its all MENTAL because uve read for so long "eat big to get big".Oh ya its all mental we can just breath and our muscles will come from the air, look had you've said something like 150 low end in comparison to 300 then you would argue that the average natural would benefit from 300 but 50 grams is what a grade school little girl needs.
Good ole Mark DubaBubba Davis. Hows it gooin sumbeettttttttch whatcha got up n er ats good ta eatprotiens you sumbitch what in the hell you think im eatin i got to win teh godmamm mr get bigs 3 champoinship of the bodybilding cant build me no godamm muscle just with me jackdaniels sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111
Look, i think u are "getting" what natural was trying to say. The typical big, cut up prisoner hase developed the stellar physique through countless pushups/situps in his cell block, and occasional time to bench/deadlift outside. Trust me man, its not the prison guards priority to "sneak in" and risk his job over getting somebody some fuckin deca.... ::) STEROIDS are the very LEAST of a prisoners concerns... tobacco inside prison is about a big of a deal as cocaine is on the outside world...
let me throw some SCIENCE your wayhell i dont no why you say hell you look like a can of shit in teh pictres i seen of you you skinnyass sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111im gonna kick you ass in teh mr getbig3 bodybilding contests yes i say it again you look like shit and i hope this helps you get in teh weightroom and stay
one pound of muscle has 100 grams of protein in it
the MOST amount of muscle under the BEST circumstances your body could make is 1 pound of muscle per week
how many of you gained 52 pounds of muscle last year?..........exactly ;)
now 100 grams divided by 7 days is 15 extra grams of protein a day
not 300 extra grams, more protein doesn't mean more muscle
it's the working out that causes muscle growth not excess protein
Hope this helps
"Sergio Olivas favorite post workout food was a large pepporoni pizza and coca cola-not high protein but certainly high in calories"-Arthur Jones
u people are morons who live and die for this high protein intake
Bro the guy was backing you up, hello, he was just stating the most extreme case, but anyways the athlete have superior genes and are extremely lean, so they would utilize protein better then average and because the are lean you think they are big, every body back in the day though Bruce Lee 12 inch arms were huige, plus you have no way of proving that they would get bigger by upping there protein.
your argument is absolutely flawed.
building muscle is a HUGE FUCKING DEAL.. 1 lb of muscle a WEEK?!?!? its EXTREMELY HARD to build 5-7 lbs of PURE MUSCLE in a whole year. theres a great article i think u would be interested in.. i dont wanna argue/fight yada yada just have genuine conversation i think u would be interested i think its t-nation
my apologies AXA i didnt fully read exactly what u said. My fault, im an idiot, i offer you my head on a platter. ;Dlol ;D My opinion here is done, happy arguments fellas 8)
let me throw some SCIENCE your way
one pound of muscle has 100 grams of protein in it
the MOST amount of muscle under the BEST circumstances your body could make is 1 pound of muscle per week
how many of you gained 52 pounds of muscle last year?..........exactly ;)
now 100 grams divided by 7 days is 15 extra grams of protein a day
not 300 extra grams, more protein doesn't mean more muscle
it's the working out that causes muscle growth not excess protein
Hope this helps
my apologies AXA i didnt fully read exactly what u said. My fault, im an idiot, i offer you my head on a platter. ;Dno problem bro, if any one should apologize it's that retard who thinks he is gonna beat me but will get owned come contest time ::)
Thats a horrible way to think about it mate. Its so far off. Look, the human body has tons of uses for protein. its not just "to buildmuscle". Your body is constantly using protein, regardless of whether you squatted 5 plates yesterday, or sat around and ate five plates(of food). Constantly breaking down and rebuilding and re cycling proteins. Naturally, without training and without supplements of any kind. Now factor into that your excelled rate of protein breakdown from resistance training, and couple that with enough protein to build the new muscle..then your getting close to your daily intake levels. But even more than that... ponder this... what time of the day does your body grow? ..thats right, you don't know when anabolism is going to want to occur. Whats the only way to make sure protein is available to create new muscle ? You've got to constantly be eating protein throughout the day.
:)
Thats a horrible way to think about it mate. Its so far off. Look, the human body has tons of uses for protein. its not just "to buildmuscle". Your body is constantly using protein, regardless of whether you squatted 5 plates yesterday, or sat around and ate five plates(of food). Constantly breaking down and rebuilding and re cycling proteins. Naturally, without training and without supplements of any kind. Now factor into that your excelled rate of protein breakdown from resistance training, and couple that with enough protein to build the new muscle..then your getting close to your daily intake levels. But even more than that... ponder this... what time of the day does your body grow? ..thats right, you don't know when anabolism is going to want to occur. Whats the only way to make sure protein is available to create new muscle ? You've got to constantly be eating protein throughout the day.so a man's beard who doesn't get "enough protein" just doesn't grow?
:)
u have made valid points, i concur. However, you cannot disregard the very true fact that there are tons of high school kids/college kids/ non-pro athletes in general that are lucky to get in 2 or 3 meals of day.This may consists of Poptarts, hamburgers, or pasta, AND they DO have muscular builds above that of a 140lb twink. look at the pics i posted. I realize they arent jay cutler, BUT, give them credit at least they are significantly above averagesounds like my diet ;D
so a man's beard who doesn't get "enough protein" just doesn't grow?
what about all those prisoners who get 40 grams of shit quality protein a day if they are lucky?
they look pretty jacked
supplement companies have washed everyones brain
with "high protein" "carbs are enemy" "bulk for size"
all that bullshit ::)
u have made valid points, i concur. However, you cannot disregard the very true fact that there are tons of high school kids/college kids/ non-pro athletes in general that are lucky to get in 2 or 3 meals of day.This may consists of Poptarts, hamburgers, or pasta, AND they DO have muscular builds above that of a 140lb twink. look at the pics i posted. I realize they arent jay cutler, BUT, give them credit at least they are significantly above averageWell unless your one of those kids with superstar genetics then your thread title "For a natural - no point to eat more than 60g's or protein/day" doesnt apply. :)
EXACTLY. Look, if u have been juicing for years and have competed, then YES, it is necessary to eat just like they say in magazines.I know people who take twice as much as steroid users
But, like u said, there are plenty of prisoners/high school linebackers that are pretty damn jacked. I guarantee u they arent eating every 2.5 hours of 30g's protein/50g carbs.
EXACTLY. Look, if u have been juicing for years and have competed, then YES, it is necessary to eat just like they say in magazines.I ask you not to give out any more secrets of us naturals who have experience with these things
But, like u said, there are plenty of prisoners/high school linebackers that are pretty damn jacked. I guarantee u they arent eating every 2.5 hours of 30g's protein/50g carbs.
I know people who take twice as much as steroid usersA natural trainee would need to eat more protein to gain 1 lb of muscle than an enhanced trainee would need to eat. As i mentioned before, AAS inhibits protein breakdown. :)
not even realizing that people on steroids have increased PROTEIN SYNTHESIS
meaning they can build more muscle and use more protein for all you uneducated people... ;D
Lee Haney barely got 1 gram Per pound even being on steroids and last I checked he won a couple of olympias
I ask you not to give out any more secrets of us naturals who have experience with these things
and letting the noobs figure it out for themselves the hard way :D
the way I had to >:(
say you test two groups over the course of 1 year... conditions are as ideal as possible (both naturals- as obviously juicers must intake much protein)
group a-50g's/year
group b-250g's
-starting at same bodyfat levels and same weight
-both have same diet/workout routine except a protein difference (Ex: carbs and fat intake are same)
I would not expect their to be exceptionally MORE muscle on the person who at 250g's
there are A LOT more people on this planet that eat a "normal diet" and have great looking bodies than their are people who eat typical "bb diets" consisting of 7 chicken breasts/2 lbs of steak a day
Im NOT referring to male runway models, like i said - athletes that workout hard but just dont eat stupid protein amounts
like THIS guy
think about all the baseball, football, basketball etc etc players out there that workout hard and have killer bodies... i guarantee u they ate a "normal" (relatively speaking) diet
I FUCKING HATE TUNA >:(
hahaha man i wasted so much damn money/time on tuna and oatmeal ::) in high school i would bring chicken/rice to lunch everyday hahha what a queer i was
oh and all these people around the world who think you need to eat more calories to put on muscle
hahaha man i wasted so much damn money/time on tuna and oatmeal ::) in high school i would bring chicken/rice to lunch everyday hahha what a queer i was
A natural trainee would need to eat more protein to gain 1 lb of muscle than an enhanced trainee would need to eat. As i mentioned before, AAS inhibits protein breakdown. :)actually a steroid taker needs more protein because their body can handle more protein
actually a steroid taker needs more protein because their body can handle more protein
so you got it backwards ::)
a steroid taker can gain 20 pounds of muscle in 2 weeks
that's 1600 grams more ON TOP of what they already need day to day
true, CATABOLISM does occur faster and more in a naturals but it's protein TURNOVER not complete loss of muscle
I'm sorry you are incorrect.
A steroid user can synthesize protein at an accelerated rate- yes. BUT, a steroid user also breaksdown protein at a much SLOWER rate than a natural.
So, to gain 1 lb of muscle, a steroid user must eat enough amino acids to synthesize 1lb muscle. However, a natural must eat enough protein to make up for the natural protein breakdown process, and then on top of that enough protein to build 1lb muscle.
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Like I told you before - A natural trainee would need to eat more protein to gain 1 lb of muscle than an enhanced trainee would need to eat.
true, CATABOLISM does occur faster and more in a naturals but it's protein TURNOVER not complete loss of muscleDepends on carbohydrate and fat intake (more so carbohydrate intake), and also depends on goal-in-mind (ups to milos), shredding or building.
...how many grams would you say a natural should eat per day?
Depends on carbohydrate and fat intake (more so carbohydrate intake), and also depends on goal-in-mind (ups to milos), shredding or building.carbs and fat intake are part of the "calories" nothing to do with protein intake
a good number to start off at is 2.2 grams per kg of LBM. Or lets just call it one gram of high quality protein per pound total bodyweight. :)
carbs and fat intake are part of the "calories" nothing to do with protein intake
if you want to make up for calories sure
thats a gram per pound of bodyweight right? "the general rule"
well, I have never consumed that much protein in my life on a daily basis unless I was eating 15,000 fifteen thousand calories which I do on somedays
just for fun
I have been doing it all wrong for all this time? :-\
well....I don't think so :)
Lou Ferrigno gets only 150 grams of protein a day, he is 270 pounds AND on steroids ;)
Couple questions for the guys on the thread talking about 60 grams of protein a day....
1) How come the very same prisoners and linebackers you talk about eating low protein (like you) are much much bigger and muscular than you are? Is it because your confusing the genetic elite with an equation?
2) What would happen to these prisoners and linebackers if they actually did eat adequate amount of protein with their weight training?
3) How come almost to the tee....every seriously large bodybuilder in the last 30 years have taken in 1.5 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight yet some guys on Getbig say not to because of various personal reasons and opinions they as individuals have? Should we go with those 1000's who have "been there done that" or with what 5 outspoken guys on Getbig have to say?
says the man who sell protein for a living :D
What the heck does that have to do with anything? Ok let me make the stipulation then to make Technoviking happy
a) if you do use protein powders please please please dont buy them from my business partner and my company (in which i wont even say the name so if you dont know already...great!), buy them from bodybuilding.com or some other company.
b) or rather get your protein from food sources
Relax bro it was a :D joke...
so with that said......back on subject.....
What the heck does that have to do with anything? Ok let me make the stipulation then to make Technoviking happy
a) if you do use protein powders please please please dont buy them from my business partner and my company (in which i wont even say the name so if you dont know already...great!), buy them from bodybuilding.com or some other company.
b) or rather get your protein from food sources
so with that said......back on subject.....
Couple questions for the guys on the thread talking about 60 grams of protein a day....I'm guessing you are the person who invented "doggcrapp" training protocal?
1) How come the very same prisoners and linebackers you talk about eating low protein (like you) are much much bigger and muscular than you are? Is it because your confusing the genetic elite with an equation?
2) What would happen to these prisoners and linebackers if they actually did eat adequate amount of protein with their weight training?
3) How come almost to the tee....every seriously large bodybuilder in the last 30 years have taken in 1.5 to 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight yet some guys on Getbig say not to because of various personal reasons and opinions they as individuals have? Should we go with those 1000's who have "been there done that" or with what 5 outspoken guys on Getbig have to say?
I'm only quoting this because it has worked and made a lot of sense to me but on professionalmuscle.com a lot of guys including Phil Hernon do follow the eat when you're hungrey routine and i doubt they are getting 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight every day.
I don't believe you need even 1 gram per pound, i think as long as the protein consumption is consistent you will have enough to grow. eg. if you ate 25 grams every 3 hours is eating 45 grams every 3 hours going to make a difference? In my opinion no.
This is a pretty decent thread not too different to some seen on PM but it seems you went after it because 'Should we go with those 1000's who have "been there done that" or with what 5 outspoken guys on Getbig have to say?'
I'm guessing you are the person who invented "doggcrapp" training protocal?
we won't get into too much detail on what I think about your system, cuz that's a different story, this is about protein intake.......
1......who said they were bigger and more muscular? and since they are in their 30's and been doing this for about 10-15 years and I'm only 19 and been working out for 1 year should'nt they be more muscular?
2......taking in protein doesn't SPEED UP muscle growth, the body can only use a certain amount of protein and the rest is either urinated or saved as bodyfat, if it did americans would be muscular instead of fat from all those whoppers and bigmacs
3......you can be a sheep and follow the herd or you can follow science, remember when guys in the 70's trained for 6 hours a day and didn't know anything about steroid usage? not many of todays bodybuilders are doing that
why does a person need huge amounts of protein to grow muscle?
working out builds muscle not excess protein intake
how many pounds of muscle did you gain last year?
I highly doubt even 10 pounds
10 pounds of muscle a year would equal to only 2.7 EXTRA grams of protein per day
and I bet you got more than ten times that amount EVERYDAY
If you enjoy eating protein and if it makes you feel better or what ever please do
but don't do it because you're "required"
what are you gonna tell me next?
1 set per muscle is as effective as 5 sets for muscle growth?
oh wait...you already did ::)
Question: Is that what Phil does now or is that what Phil did back in the late 80's and 90's when he got up to his top size? Alot of bodybuilders forget what they did to reach their top size...case in point Nasser....preaching how he only eats 100 grams of protein a day at the end of his career....yet he was right in there with the 400-550 grams group earlier in his career when he was trying to set the standard for muscle mass onstagedid you ever consider the fact that they got smarter?
Im not even going to bother bro, I kind of caught a glimpse of your act on this board already and your reputation precedes you as someone who doesnt have an iota of reality in his reasoningI'm trying to reason with you, and I'm backing up everything I say unlike almost everybody on these boards that are making 7 figures or are 290 pounds of muscle natural ::)
Arnold was a champion bodybuilder and he used many sets;OH YEAH LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THE EDGE ::) ::) ::) ::)
Dorian was a champion bodybuilder and he used few sets.
Both training techniques are equally effective;
however, they are not equally efficient.
Building muscle is about breaking down tissue.
Often it's the case that guys performing excessive amounts of sets are going through the motions sloppily and at a rapid pace.
It takes them several sets to accomplish the amount of tissue breakdown a Dorian inspired trainer can accomplish in 1.
Nobody will agree with this because selling secret training methods that give an edge over someone is an important part of the 'business'.
And we all know business is about screwing people.
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GO AWAY
we are actually having a scientific discussion here you homo
go back to posting "fag like" pics of yourself on threads and don't give us bullshit
words coming from a homo like you doesn't mean anything
you are the one to talk on "muscle building"? ::) ::) ::) ::)
skinny emo fag
You are only bigger in absolute terms.I'm sorry am I supposed to see muscle? ::) ::) ::) ::)
In terms of relative muscle size you are small.
Now just imagine if I actually worked out more than once a week.(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/JamesPhoenix/Fitness/crushingyouwithhotness.jpg)
I've been eating a meal once every 3 days for the past 10 years and I could have won the olympia all 10 years if I wanted to, but I had better things going on at the time. By the way I only hit the gym once a year.
Also, dipshit,
there is more to bodybuilding than wearing nylon shirts and greasy ponytails while pressing your biceps against your stomach.
Clearly you are delusional, retarded, or playing a joke.(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/JamesPhoenix/Fitness/contractthemuscle.jpg)
do you guys know for a fact that prisoners are jacked or are you just going by what you see in the movies?I was discussing this scientifically before this emo jumped in and told people to take more STEROIDS instead of protein
also football players definitely eat a lot of protein and calories, right after practice and games there is a large buffet of basically everything from chicken breasts to pizza
they eat a lot because they need to maintain strenght and keep their weight up to deal with the beatings they take, at least that is what some of the steelers said on a local sports talk show
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(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/JamesPhoenix/Fitness/Myequipment.jpg)bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........
Just imagine if I had more weights than just this, and more than a passing interest in bodybuilding.
Did I mention that I work out once a week?
bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........hahahahaha
do you guys know for a fact that prisoners are jacked or are you just going by what you see in the movies?
also football players definitely eat a lot of protein and calories, right after practice and games there is a large buffet of basically everything from chicken breasts to pizza
they eat a lot because they need to maintain strenght and keep their weight up to deal with the beatings they take, at least that is what some of the steelers said on a local sports talk show
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bro I know guys who work out once a month bigger than you...EMO kids only workout once a week because they get depressed........
This doesn't have much to do with aesthetically minded bodybuilders.maybe those bodybuilders should take "god like" pictures of themselves
Football players are trying to gain muscle and weight, hence the diet of pizza and big macs.
The only thing they share with bodybuilders, diet-wise, is high protein intake.
Yes, I've seen a lot of big stocky construction worker types bigger than me to.emo kid
It's not something I'm trying to emulate, but to each his own.
maybe those bodybuilders should take "god like" pictures of themselves
while in bed? ???
are you also a britney spears fan? :-\
There are two primary types of people that bodybuild:
Casual trainers and competitors.
For someone that is competing at the very highest level of competition, micromanagement of nutrient intake is important.
(The same way water temperature and body suits can break records at Olympic swimming competitions)
For casual trainers it's not necessary to micromanage.
Eat a lot of food with high protein and low fat; train hard and consistently.
To be sure, you will soon develop a respectable set of t-shit muscles.
This keeping track of gram intake per day business is silliness.
One wonders if, this type of personality is looking for a nutritional formulae that will give them an edge,
because of their reluctance to admit inferior genetics for work ethic and muscle.
And if you are a casual (non-competitive) bodybuilder that juices, just increase your dope intake and don't train hard.
let me throw some SCIENCE your way
one pound of muscle has 100 grams of protein in it
the MOST amount of muscle under the BEST circumstances your body could make is 1 pound of muscle per week
how many of you gained 52 pounds of muscle last year?..........exactly ;)
now 100 grams divided by 7 days is 15 extra grams of protein a day
not 300 extra grams, more protein doesn't mean more muscle
it's the working out that causes muscle growth not excess protein
Hope this helps
say you test two groups over the course of 1 year... conditions are as ideal as possible (both naturals- as obviously juicers must intake much protein)
group a-50g's/year
group b-250g's
-starting at same bodyfat levels and same weight
-both have same diet/workout routine except a protein difference (Ex: carbs and fat intake are same)
I would not expect their to be exceptionally MORE muscle on the person who at 250g's
there are A LOT more people on this planet that eat a "normal diet" and have great looking bodies than their are people who eat typical "bb diets" consisting of 7 chicken breasts/2 lbs of steak a day
Im NOT referring to male runway models, like i said - athletes that workout hard but just dont eat stupid protein amounts
like THIS guy
think about all the baseball, football, basketball etc etc players out there that workout hard and have killer bodies... i guarantee u they ate a "normal" (relatively speaking) diet
Go read some medical research. Go read The Protein Book by Lyle McDonald. Oh and Phil Hernon is the biggest fucking douchebag on the net right now. Have you seen his pics? He's a fat tubby piece of dog shit! With the personality to boot! Yeah Phil you heard that right you fat tubby charlatan loser go sell some more of your bullshit products!
One problem with this "SCIENCE" you've posted. If you consume a mere 15 grams extra of protein per day (that's about half a chicken breast), is your body going to utilize all of that for building muscle or is it going to use it to address the other functions for which your body needs protein first?15 grams of extra protein above what the RDA suggests
Eat an extra half of a chicken breast per day and see how big you end up.
I used to eat over 300 grams of protein (max-OT diet), lowered it to about .75 grams/lb after taking science and facts into account and noticed no difference. Wasted tons of money before.EXACTLY
say you test two groups over the course of 1 year... conditions are as ideal as possible (both naturals- as obviously juicers must intake much protein)no one eats 2 pounds of red meat and 7 chicken breasts a day, hope this helps.
group a-50g's/year
group b-250g's
-starting at same bodyfat levels and same weight
-both have same diet/workout routine except a protein difference (Ex: carbs and fat intake are same)
I would not expect their to be exceptionally MORE muscle on the person who at 250g's
there are A LOT more people on this planet that eat a "normal diet" and have great looking bodies than their are people who eat typical "bb diets" consisting of 7 chicken breasts/2 lbs of steak a day
Im NOT referring to male runway models, like i said - athletes that workout hard but just dont eat stupid protein amounts
like THIS guy
think about all the baseball, football, basketball etc etc players out there that workout hard and have killer bodies... i guarantee u they ate a "normal" (relatively speaking) diet
no one eats 2 pounds of red meat and 7 chicken breasts a day, hope this helps.maybe he is Markus Ruhl?
maybe he is Markus Ruhl?not even Ruhl eats that much he should watch his video.
this thread =It seems that it would be more gay to keep the cock in your mouth.
gayer than taking that cock our of your mouth 'cause the phone rang.
15 grams of extra protein above what the RDA suggests
like I said 0.5 grams per pound of bodyweight is more than enough
Another thing I wanted to add was nutrient partitioning, and the fact that there are too many variables to say that you can only utilize xxg of protein a day if you're a natty. Your body may become catabolic if you go too long without eating for instance. Under real life conditions, an ATHLETE will probably want to eat at LEAST a gram of protein for every half pound of total mass. So if they're 200lbs, I'd recommend at LEAST 100g unless they know what it takes for them to grow or maintain. Everyone's different. Their body, their activities, etc. I'd still prefer recommending a slightly higher protein intake but it's not a life or death matter, especially if that person isn't hell bent on putting on sheaths of muscle mass.
60g of protein is pussy... but at the same time, I'm not going to eat 500g of protein each day and stare at my stop watch to make sure I'm not getting near the realm of catabolism. Blah, can't think right now. Too lazy lol
Not being literal about 2 lbs quakeroats - its called "sarcasm"... you are pretty familiar with that i assume? ;)just saying that some gullible newbies actually believe the pros eat that much, that clown "suckmymuscle" seems to think that greg Kovacs would put food in a blender and get 800 grams of protein by "bypassing the digestive process" ::) with jackasses like that around these guys will tell you anything.
Anyway the point is you are going by the typical "more is better" philosophy ::) You are not saying anything other than what all the magazines tell you to do. Tell me, you think a 40g protein whey shake is REALLY gonna make or break that 1.5 lbs of "pure muscle" u put on in 3 months maybe? There is so many more people as ive said 400000000 times here that dont "count their protein grams" and STILL have great bodies than there are those that do.
Not being literal about 2 lbs quakeroats - its called "sarcasm"... you are pretty familiar with that i assume? ;)
Anyway the point is you are going by the typical "more is better" philosophy ::) You are not saying anything other than what all the magazines tell you to do. Tell me, you think a 40g protein whey shake is REALLY gonna make or break that 1.5 lbs of "pure muscle" u put on in 3 months maybe? There is so many more people as ive said 400000000 times here that dont "count their protein grams" and STILL have great bodies than there are those that do.
I eat 8 times a day, in total about 1kg of meat a day or 8 cans o Tuna of 125 gr (1 kg) or 40-50 white eggs with some vegetables 1 tomatoes at meal and lot of olive oilbullshit.
in my opinion this is the best natural anabolic diet
I eat 8 times a day, in total about 1kg of meat a day or 8 cans o Tuna of 125 gr (1 kg) or 40-50 white eggs with some vegetables 1 tomatoes at meal and lot of olive oil
in my opinion this is the best natural anabolic diet
why do u do that? You honestly think your body can efficiently utilize all that extra protein? And by extra im talking well over 100gramshahahhaa, i'm still laughing at that post, is he saying 2.2 pounds of meat IN ADDITION TO 8 cans of tuna or one or the other? i might be able to see either the 8 cans of tuna or the 2 pounds of meat but not both in the same day.
why do u do that? You honestly think your body can efficiently utilize all that extra protein? And by extra im talking well over 100grams
I eat 8 times a day, in total about 1kg of meat a day or 8 cans o Tuna of 125 gr (1 kg) or 40-50 white eggs with some vegetables 1 tomatoes at meal and lot of olive oil
in my opinion this is the best natural anabolic diet
is that not 8000cals alone from the tuna and meatwell there's 45 grams of protein in 1 can of tuna so that's approx. 350 grams from the tuna alone.
sorry for my english, I don't eat meat tuna or eggs the some dayoh ok that's more believable, 2 pounds of meat in a day is no big deal, same thing with 8 cans of tuna other than the fuccking horrid taste. :-X
Just shut up and eat protein as much as you can and train real hard and you will grow.
End of thread.
yea two pounds of meat per day is no big deal.Not correct.
I eat about that right now and im 160lbs.
I think a moderate amount of protein is the best way to go, its not a free macro like some people think. Your body can only utilize so much protein, and the rest will get stored just like any other macronutrient u put in your body AS FAT :)
So just use enough, if your eating low carbs, have higher protein, and if your eating higher carbs have lower protein, and always keep your fats moderate. i think thats a good way to go.
dont u eat over 400g's a day? whats your excuse...... ::)I take about 750g a day. Why should i make excuse?
Not correct.
If you train hard more than 2 hours, your body can asimilate more protein due to the recuperation from severe muscle break down more than the training so so of 1 hour.
So there is no such a rigid limit of protein intake. Its depend on your training.
Needless to say, you must train like hell at first. And then you try to consume as much protein as you can with moderate carbs.
I bet you will grow like weed. When you begin to get fat, then you will cut back your protein intake.
why would u try to consume as much protein as u can? that makes no sense?Hahahaha. Then tell it to Paco. ;D
especially when eating mod-high carbs, since carbs are protein sparing, u dont need to eat that much protein when ingesting carbs.
And if your eating 750grams of protein a day, as u stated in your post above, theres no reason for me to even be talking to you, because your obvisously delusional when it comes to the amounts of protein one needs to grow :)
just saying that some gullible newbies actually believe the pros eat that much, that clown "suckmymuscle" seems to think that greg Kovacs would put food in a blender and get 800 grams of protein by "bypassing the digestive process" ::) with jackasses like that around these guys will tell you anything.Wow hold on buddy, i really don't want to get back into this but I swear above all else in this entire galaxy i witness Kovacks eat 6 big macs back to back in a matter of minutes, I swear it so if you don'ty believe there are people out there that are just pure eating michines thats fine but kiovacks eats 10 000 calories like nothing
Wow hold on buddy, i really don't want to get back into this but I swear above all else in this entire galaxy i witness Kovacks eat 6 big macs back to back in a matter of minutes, I swear it so if you don'ty believe there are people out there that are just pure eating michines thats fine but kiovacks eats 10 000 calories like nothingWell also these foodfighter eat more than 60 hotdogs.
Wow hold on buddy, i really don't want to get back into this but I swear above all else in this entire galaxy i witness Kovacks eat 6 big macs back to back in a matter of minutes, I swear it so if you don'ty believe there are people out there that are just pure eating michines thats fine but kiovacks eats 10 000 calories like nothing6 Big Mac's is a lot different than 800 damn grams of protein a day, that's 8 fuckking pounds of meat every day, get the fucck out of here with all of this 750-800 grams a day bullshit. ::)
6 Big Mac's is a lot different than 800 damn grams of protein a day, that's 8 fuckking pounds of meat every day, get the fucck out of here with all of this 750-800 grams a day bullshit. ::)I wish you could see what i am eating everyday...
6 Big Mac's is a lot different than 800 damn grams of protein a day, that's 8 fuckking pounds of meat every day, get the fucck out of here with all of this 750-800 grams a day bullshit. ::)Bro serious your stupid, people eat like this all the time this isn't even the argument, the argument is wether it gets utilize or not and your going to get a different opinion everytime but people are out there, I am 225 pounds right know this is lost of 25 pounds of weight for me and I've been eating 4 pounds of chicken breast every day and thats on a diet and I am nothing compared to guys that are 300 pounds and eat 8 pounds of meat a day, don't be a hater only because you eat less then a pound of food a day and are still fat, thats your no good matabolism but we are talking about the genetically gifted who can eat like machines no problem, believe it.
Bro serious your stupid, people eat like this all the time this isn't even the argument, the argument is wether it gets utilize or not and your going to get a different opinion everytime but people are out there, I am 225 pounds right know this is lost of 25 pounds of weight for me and I've been eating 4 pounds of chicken breast every day and thats on a diet and I am nothing compared to guys that are 300 pounds and eat 8 pounds of meat a day, don't be a hater only because you eat less then a pound of food a day and are still fat, thats your no good matabolism but we are talking about the genetically gifted who can eat like machines no problem, believe it.hahahhaa, dude you're the biggest bullshitter on this site, 3 1/2 grams of gear a week, 4 pounds of chicken a day, 500 pound bench press 20 inch arms, 700 pound deadlift, none of which you've ever proven. ::)
Bro serious your stupid, people eat like this all the time this isn't even the argument, the argument is wether it gets utilize or not and your going to get a different opinion everytime but people are out there, I am 225 pounds right know this is lost of 25 pounds of weight for me and I've been eating 4 pounds of chicken breast every day and thats on a diet and I am nothing compared to guys that are 300 pounds and eat 8 pounds of meat a day, don't be a hater only because you eat less then a pound of food a day and are still fat, thats your no good matabolism but we are talking about the genetically gifted who can eat like machines no problem, believe it.Don't give us this bullshit
Bro serious your stupid, people eat like this all the time this isn't even the argument, the argument is wether it gets utilize or not and your going to get a different opinion everytime but people are out there, I am 225 pounds right know this is lost of 25 pounds of weight for me and I've been eating 4 pounds of chicken breast every day and thats on a diet and I am nothing compared to guys that are 300 pounds and eat 8 pounds of meat a day, don't be a hater only because you eat less then a pound of food a day and are still fat, thats your no good matabolism but we are talking about the genetically gifted who can eat like machines no problem, believe it.
hahahhaa, dude you're the biggest bullshitter on this site, 3 1/2 grams of gear a week, 4 pounds of chicken a day, 500 pound bench press 20 inch arms, 700 pound deadlift none of which you've ever proven. ::)
talk about some serious bullshit ::)You guys have no clue how seriously I can show you guys up, You don't know me so what makes yopu think I can't do what I claim, Say right now that you will cancel your getbig accounts and the videos will be in inside of 7 days, if you can't step up to the plate then shut your hole I can prove these claims with ease, and let me guess you also believe Cutler is big because of cell tech.
I'd like to see you prove many of those things ::)
You guys have no clue how seriously I can show you guys up, You don't know me so what makes yopu think I can't do what I claim, Say right now that you will cancel your getbig accounts and the videos will be in inside of 7 days, if you can't step up to the plate then shut your hole I can prove these claims with ease, and let me guess you also believe Cutler is big because of cell tech.more backing out, dude just prove ONE of those things and i'll admit i'm wrong about you but for now you're the biggest liar on getbig.
You guys have no clue how seriously I can show you guys up, You don't know me so what makes yopu think I can't do what I claim, Say right now that you will cancel your getbig accounts and the videos will be in inside of 7 days, if you can't step up to the plate then shut your hole I can prove these claims with ease, and let me guess you also believe Cutler is big because of cell tech.
Don't give us this bullshit
Jay cutler eats 6000 calories a day and we see how much fat he gains in the off season
and people on here like Johnny Falcon claim to eat 8000 calories everyday and not get fat
eating 4 pounds of chicken breast a day?
(10lbs muscle per year= 2.7 extra grams of protein a day)
how many pounds of muscle did you gain last year with eating all that excess protein? ::) ::) ::)
more backing out, dude just prove ONE of those things and i'll admit i'm wrong about you but for now you're the biggest liar on getbig.Do you have any Idea why I been throwing these numbers around because I am putting a few on videos in the next week so here it is everybody on getbig, I will show 7 plates deadlift in the next 7-10 and this big mouth will owe me an apology, but if he was a real man he would step up and say he will cancel his account , but clearly knows I mean bussiness and he knows that I will if not then what does he have to worry about.
Do you have any Idea why I been throwing these numbers around because I am putting a few on videos in the next week so here it is everybody on getbig, I will show 7 plates deadlift in the next 7-10 and this big mouth will owe me an apology, but if he was a real man he would step up and say he will cancel his account , but clearly knows I mean bussiness and he knows that I will if not then what does he have to worry about.then quit talking already and prove it.
And I gained about 18 pounds of muscle last year and I can prove it
Do you have any Idea why I been throwing these numbers around because I am putting a few on videos in the next week so here it is everybody on getbig, I will show 7 plates deadlift in the next 7-10 and this big mouth will owe me an apology, but if he was a real man he would step up and say he will cancel his account , but clearly knows I mean bussiness and he knows that I will if not then what does he have to worry about.if there is one thing I have learned, it's that people won't believe anything you say on here until you prove it
And I gained about 18 pounds of muscle last year and I can prove it
if there is one thing I have learned, it's that people won't believe anything you say on here until you prove itfirst of all I ain't doing this to prove I can I am doing it because of another reason but I might as well make you 2 look like jack asssses in the process ;D.
so stop talking and stop proving ;)
it's always the same thing, "i can bench press 600 for 25 reps, i'm 322 pound shredded at 5'10" with 26 inch arms, i pull 900 pounds for 10 reps on the deadlift, i eat half a full grown cow every day but i have nothing to prove to you haters, you're just fat and jealous of me" ::)don't forget people being richer than donald trump
it's always the same thing, "i can bench press 600 for 25 reps, i'm 322 pound shredded at 5'10" with 26 inch arms, i pull 900 pounds for 10 reps on the deadlift, i eat half a full grown cow every day but i have nothing to prove to you haters, you're just fat and jealous of me" ::)The only thing thats correct in your post is the "You're just fat" part :'(
don't forget people being richer than donald trumphe's full of shit as well, here's a picture of that huge muscular specimen. ::)
and the guy eating the cow....was that johnny falcon? the man who claims to eat 8000 calories everday without getting fat? ::)
The only thing thats correct in your post is the "You're just fat" part :'(like everyone around here knows if you post proof i always apologize and admit i was wrong.
he's full of shit as well, here's a picture of that huge muscular specimen. ::)Anyone in the world would take his physique over your so anything bad you say about him just makes you look enviou, anyway its been fun got fly and work on my deads so that next week you can cancel your account. :P
Anyone in the world would take his physique over your so anything bad you say about him just makes you look enviou, anyway its been fun got fly and work on my deads so that next week you can cancel your account. :Pi'm not canceling shit, if you weren't full of shit you'd post the clip right now just to prove us wrong, face it dude you've been lying about everything. :D
i'm not canceling shit, if you weren't full of shit you'd post the clip right now just to prove us wrong, face it dude you've been lying about everything. :DI know, lol, but this proves that I had you scared ;D, No in all seriosness I argue with you out of kicks cause you need something to do to take your mind off dieting, but I will produce the video just for laughs and you can keep your account sense you worked so hard for your 20 000 post before and then got the shaft, see ya man 8)
I know, lol, but this proves that I had you scared ;D, No in all seriosness I argue with you out of kicks cause you need something to do to take your mind off dieting, but I will produce the video just for laughs and you can keep your account sense you worked so hard for your 20 000 post before and then got the shaft, see ya man 8)i won't hold my breath Mr. "I'm gonna be a pro in 2 years". :D
I know, lol, but this proves that I had you scared ;D, No in all seriosness I argue with you out of kicks cause you need something to do to take your mind off dieting, but I will produce the video just for laughs and you can keep your account sense you worked so hard for your 20 000 post before and then got the shaft, see ya man 8)did I ask for people canceling their accounts when I posted pictures and measurements?
Do you have any Idea why I been throwing these numbers around because I am putting a few on videos in the next week so here it is everybody on getbig, I will show 7 plates deadlift in the next 7-10 and this big mouth will owe me an apology, but if he was a real man he would step up and say he will cancel his account , but clearly knows I mean bussiness and he knows that I will if not then what does he have to worry about.holy shit godamamm sumbitch must be strongest muthrfukr in teh weightroom if you do that shit i will delete my getbig login account i give you my word you cockstrength sumbitchss!!!!!!!!!!!1
And I gained about 18 pounds of muscle last year and I can prove it
holy shit godamamm sumbitch must be strongest muthrfukr in teh weightroom if you do that shit i will delete my getbig login account i give you my word you cockstrength sumbitchss!!!!!!!!!!!1markdavis.........
markdavis.........hell i seen your godmamm pictres and you aint shit you look like a godamm scrawny sumbitch i bet men try to fuck you silly you little cumdumop bitch i will kick you ass in teh mr getbig3 b champoinships of teh bodybilding contests you will loose you sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
why do you feel the need to put so many "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" at the end of everything?
and why are you always hyper?
do you think too much coffee? :-\
hell i seen your godmamm pictres and you aint shit you look like a godamm scrawny sumbitch i bet men try to fuck you silly you little cumdumop bitch i will kick you ass in teh mr getbig3 b champoinships of teh bodybilding contests you will loose you sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111I love it ;D
markdavis is a legend in the weight room, dude throws around some heavy ass iron.you gomdamm right that asjchoatic gone get smoked im teh mr gretbig 3 i will mop my floors with that scrawny sumbitch!!!!!!!!!111 he aint never seen no godamm weightroom hell im hard as a mofo rock right now my body is like peice of iron sumbitcjhsss no more godamm jackdanirels for me im serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111
you gomdamm right that asjchoatic gone get smoked im teh mr gretbig 3 i will mop my floors with that scrawny sumbitch!!!!!!!!!111 he aint never seen no godamm weightroom hell im hard as a mofo rock right now my body is like peice of iron sumbitcjhsss no more godamm jackdanirels for me im serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111dude whose ever Gimmick you are, you're funny, keep it up ;D
dude whose ever Gimmick you are, you're funny, keep it up ;Daint no godmamm fun an games with this sumbitch im dead ass serious hell i get kick out of school cause i dont play i told my teachers i dont go to no godamm recess i allready seen your body it look soft as a mofo hell you godmamm arm look like a godamm women arm you sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
aint no godmamm fun an games with this sumbitch im dead ass serious hell i get kick out of school cause i dont play i told my teachers i dont go to no godamm recess i allready seen your body it look soft as a mofo hell you godmamm arm look like a godamm women arm you sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHyeh right if im a gimmik then who in the hell is it you dont no shit ill tekll you what i no you is one scrawny sumbitch with them godamm women arms you weakass sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 you tell me who the fuck i am bigshot!!!!!!!!!where in the fuck are you from
the best fucking gimmick ever ;D
yeh right if im a gimmik then who in the hell is it you dont no shit ill tekll you what i no you is one scrawny sumbitch with them godamm women arms you weakass sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 you tell me who the fuck i am bigshot!!!!!!!!!where in the fuck are you fromHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHim markmofo davis you sumbitch and you will see me on that there mr getbigs 3 champoinship contests when i put up my pictres you will see my sculpted iron body cause im the in the godammm weightroom while your in the godamm watern hole dranking like godamm fish you scrawny bastard with that godmamm pont tail poney look like my godamm sister hahaha what a mofo pussyboy we got here boys he a real sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 i bet you i will come in better finish in the mr getbig3 then you you will delete your letter login account when i whoop you ass is that a deal if you beat me i will log off my account forevr thats a godamm deal you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!
I was right, best gimmick ever, the "dumb redneck" gimmick ;D
im markmofo davis you sumbitch and you will see me on that there mr getbigs 3 champoinship contests when i put up my pictres you will see my sculpted iron body cause im the in the godammm weightroom while your in the godamm watern hole dranking like godamm fish you scrawny bastard with that godmamm pont tail poney look like my godamm sister hahaha what a mofo pussyboy we got here boys he a real sumbitchh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 i bet you i will come in better finish in the mr getbig3 then you you will delete your letter login account when i whoop you ass is that a deal if you beat me i will log off my account forevr thats a godamm deal you sumbitch!!!!!!!!!!!AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH keep it up gimmick man hahahahha you're cracking me up ;D
just saying that some gullible newbies actually believe the pros eat that much, that clown "suckmymuscle" seems to think that greg Kovacs would put food in a blender and get 800 grams of protein by "bypassing the digestive process" with jackasses like that around these guys will tell you anything.